WEBVTT - Thirteen with Maggie Mae Fish 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Bell Cast. The questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.360 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.320 start changing it with the beck Del cast. Hey thirteen 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:21.080 year old Jamie. It's me, thirteen year old Caitlin Hey, 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:25.639 thirteen year old Caitlin is thirteen year old Jamie. Um, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.840 I'm about to who how do we okay? Listeners? We 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.280 were struggling with an intro, who is okay? Here's a question, 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.879 the central question of thirteen I thought when I was thirteen, 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:43.800 I was wrong, is who's the bad guy? Did not 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:49.520 occur to me that the bad guy was society? But I, 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.600 you know, of the two of us, who is the 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:57.880 bad influence? Good question? I know, Oh my gosh, well 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.400 it's hard to say. I actually now right now I'm 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.880 really thinking about it. We we have kind of equal 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.839 amounts of like we both have chaotic instincts, but they're 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.600 like not the same instincts. So I guess it depends 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:14.280 on like there's certain things that you're the bad influence on, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:16.959 and then there's certain things on the beat. And that's 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.880 why we create a whole bad person because one bad 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.280 person collectively Hell yeah, because I was gonna say, like, 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.600 we have equal amounts of like tattoos, because tattoos equals bad. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.640 Tattoos are bad. Do you what is your peers? I 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.560 don't have. I wanted a belly ring so bad in 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:41.280 middle school. It was physically painful. And my cousin Tammy, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.240 who everyone in the Zoom Call has met, we went 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.880 to um eye Hoop with her and had minions breakfast 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.160 ever of it. Some really some real bad girls ship 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.040 at the eye hop. But she was allowed to get 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:02.000 a belly ring and I wasn't. And it was devastating, 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.600 I'm sure, and it was she was like even we 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.960 were both such like goody two shoes, but she was 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.440 even goody two shoes or so I think my aunt 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.680 was like, we gotta give this girl some edge. Yes, 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:16.280 you can get a belly y. I love that for Tammy, 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.960 shout out. The only thing I have pierced are my ears, 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.440 but I have like double piercings in the lobes and 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:28.160 then like a cartilage piercing. So cartilage, okay, cartilage is 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.840 like that's cool. And it was the first piercing I 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.000 got before I even got my lobes pierced, which is 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.919 kind of wild. You went directly for the bone. Um, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:41.040 I mean the cartilage. But yeah, okay, oh okay, Nerd, 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:47.880 there there's a difference. Actually, thank you, resident biologist Kate Rent. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.560 You're welcome. You're so welcome. That one's painful, though, it's 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.160 so painful, and it was like effected for a year, 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.760 and because I got it done at Claire's obviously and 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.520 it was just not the best experience. Then I got 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.040 my lobes pierced a few years later, which it's nothing comparatively. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.720 I don't like being in physical pain even for one second. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:14.639 And so I my lobe holes uh closed like a 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:16.920 year ago, and I have yet to go to Claris 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.880 to resolve the issue. My mom and I have this 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.600 I like, this is my very mother daughter episode and 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.240 then we're gonna start the show. My mom used to 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:28.919 love to do this thing when I was a kid, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.360 where if I was getting something exciting done, my mom 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.040 would be like, what if I want up to that? 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.920 And so when I went to Claire's to get my 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.360 lobes pierced, and I think I was like six seven 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.960 something like that, she just like we were at Claire's 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.440 at the Westgate Mall in Brocton. And then she was like, 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.800 she was like talking to this sixteen year old. This 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.840 is my memory, So she's more of a villain in 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.440 my memory than probably what's happening in real life. But 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.520 she's talking to like the fifteen year old who worked 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.080 at Clari's, and she's like, should I get my ears? Piers? 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.280 Should I get my car artilage? Piers as like, MoMA, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.760 this is my day. And she did and she still 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.839 has it. Jill stole your thunder. Jill goes hard. Jill 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.360 goes hard. She's like, she's like a little girl. You 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.480 think you're gonna get your lobes, Piers, Well, guess what 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:20.159 mommy's going for the cart? All right, we might cut 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.320 that from the episode. It's hard to say. Come to 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:30.480 the Becktel cast. My name is Caitlin. Sorry that was exciting. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.960 Well again, we are together, one whole person, so we 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:39.880 do have to speak in unison. Yes, take me orantis. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.200 Oh yeah, I'll figure it out. We'll workshop it. We'll 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:47.520 workshop it. There's time. This is our show, so where 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:52.039 we analyze movies through an intersectional feminist lens using the 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.680 Bechtel tests. Simply as a jumping off point. The Bechtel 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.040 Test being, of course, a media metric created by a 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.200 queer cartoonist, Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.600 that has many different variations, but the one we use 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:08.040 requires that two people of a marginalized gender have names 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.599 speak to each other about something other than a man, 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:17.520 and ideally that conversation is like substantial, narratively relevant, et cetera. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.160 Not a huge deal in this movie. There's there's a lot, 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:26.960 there's interaction between teen girls and women. It's really not 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:32.200 a problem. Yeah, And we have an incredible returning guest 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.799 today to cover this two thousand and three, Katherine Hardwick 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.160 Nicky read Evan rachel Wood classic. Please let's get her 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.680 in the room, shall we, Caitlin, Let's do it. She's 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.800 a writer, actor, and video essayist. You remember her from 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:52.320 our episode on Edwards scissor Hands. It's Maggie may Fish. 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:56.919 Welcome back. Welcome. Sorry I meant to say, um, thirteen 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.880 year old Maggie may Fishing on this episode. Oh no, 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:08.400 I'm already sweating just as I remembered. Uh, Hi, guys, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:12.120 it's so great to be back. Welcome back this is 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.160 and and what a what a vibe shift for for 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:20.120 this episode. Yeah, although both like you know, kind of 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.880 like trying to be like Edgy in a way, a 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.800 lot of angst, a lot of angst. Each director had 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:34.359 their own approach. Yeah. Yeah, I'm very um excited, confused, 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.440 like honestly going into preparing for this episode. Um. Well, 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.000 we'll talk about our experience with this movie in a second, 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.240 But this is a really really tricky movie to talk about. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.159 The more you learn about the production, the more you 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:50.640 learn about like it's I'm coming in with my opinions 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.760 a little malleable, and the more I watch that there's 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.719 been a lot of interesting retrospective work done, Like both 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.440 lead actors and Catherine Hardwick have been super open about 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.360 talking about this movie almost twenty years down the line. Now, 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:09.080 it's just there's there's a lot to discuss. So to begin, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:14.280 Maggie may Fish, what is your history with the movie? Oh? Man, 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:19.480 I felt like my experience of this movie is very iconic. Uh, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.680 it was a cool girl having to sleep over in 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.600 her very fancy house that was close to the beach 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.200 as all the cool houses where and all the cool 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:34.720 people lived. Yeah, she was turning thirteen sleepover. We watched 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.680 this movie. I think we also rented it behind her 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:43.560 mom's back. I think, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. When 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.000 this movie came out, we definitely were because yeah, we 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:47.880 were like younger than thirty. We were not allowed to 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.600 watch it. It was not allowed, but the movie was 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:56.520 called thirteen and they were sticking their tongues out. You 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.000 did have to watch it. Yes, it felt very um 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.840 underground in a way. You know, it was like a 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:09.040 movie for people our age quote unquote, even though it's not. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.520 And then watching it, I read who that's my big question? 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.880 Who was this movie for? Who is this for? Who's 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.040 this movie for? Um? Yeah, I do remember, and it 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:19.560 came back to me as we were watching it. I 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.520 remember the overall feeling of being like, how are we 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.400 supposed to feel about the mom? And are we getting 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:33.400 creepy vibes from her? Or is this just she's jealous? 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.400 Like if we were all very confused. Um, none of 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.719 us had a relationship with our moms like this, and 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:44.640 though we all had very complicated relationships with our mothers. Um, 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:49.360 so yeah that was just upon first impression. Uh, And 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.760 we did feel very cool watching it. I mean, I mean, 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.880 that's what that Jamie. What's your history in relationship with 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.760 the movie. UM, I don't remember exactly how we got 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.080 our hands on this movie, because this movie, I think 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.080 we probably I probably saw it like maybe the year 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:09.480 whenever it was like became available at I'm guessing Blockbuster. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:15.360 But I I very clearly remember watching this with one 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.600 of my closest female friends who was like a neighborhood 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.800 friend who I had a very close, um, maybe a 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:26.520 little bit unhealthy relationship with. Um. Yeah, I will not 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.360 name her. She's doing great now, she's the best. But 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.400 we were super close growing up and like especially like 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:39.000 in middle school, we liked dance classes together, we did 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.960 after school stuff together. We like watch things we weren't 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.520 supposed to watch. We weren't doing like thirteen Ship, but 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.559 we were like, we were like we could do that, 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.000 you know, Like I don't know, it was just like 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.240 a very like my close friend who I loved, sleeping 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:57.280 in the same bed as and we would watch Degrassi 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:01.640 and thirteen is basically like X Game de Grassy and 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.559 so like we were like, oh, we thought it goes 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.719 there on the grassy, which was the tagline at the time. Well, 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:13.360 guess what, thirteen, It actually scared us. But also it 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.480 was like that sort of thing, like when you encounter 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.280 something like this when you're at that age, and I'm 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.800 guessing I was probably eleven or twelve when we watched it. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.200 Um Like, there's a part of this movie that makes 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.480 you want to do everything in it, and that's a 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.400 part that I'm very critical of. And we talked about 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:29.800 this on the show before. It's like I had the 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.520 same kind of feeling towards the Grassy, Like there's certain 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.320 things that happened in this movie that I think are 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:39.600 like wildly unethical to show on screen, and it's anyone 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:41.960 I was looking through stuff at the time. It just 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.679 like this movie was co written by a thirteen year old. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.760 It's absurd to think that thirteen year olds would not 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.360 find this movie. And so in some ways, I'm like, 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.920 this is really unethical, and then in other ways it 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:57.800 was a very effective cautionary tale about stuff that like 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.240 I don't know again, like I was a super goody 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:05.120 two shoes, and like watching this movie, I almost definitely 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:09.240 didn't hadn't heard of or didn't understand most of what 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.400 they were encountering or a lot of what they were encountering. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.280 But yeah, I think I only watched it like once 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.040 or two, I mean for as long as the blockbuster 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.120 rental lasted. But we like talked about it and we 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:24.200 were like, who's Eavy, Who's Tracy, blah blah blah, Like 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.720 we were really into it. And then I didn't revisit 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.840 it for years and years, And it was a wild 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.920 thing to rewatch because but the first time this came out, 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.920 for example, I didn't know who Vanessa Hudgins was. She 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.439 wasn't famous, and now we know. Now we all know 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:46.600 who Vanessa Hudgens. And the princess switched herself. She really 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:51.360 did something there, and uh yeah, it was like this movie, 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.439 I have such complicated feelings towards it, and as I 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.320 was preparing for this episode, I was struggling to untangle 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.880 my middle school self and analyze seeing it as a 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.040 crusty adult. So let's see how this goes. Caitlin, what's 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:09.200 your history with the movie thirteen? Well, I did see 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.360 it not long after it came out. I think, like 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.960 also when it became available to rent on like DVD, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.840 maybe even VHS back then that covers hard to ignore. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:25.760 I really got three. It's so like scrap booky looking. Yeah, 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:31.040 I loved it. Um So, I was like sixteen or seventeen, sixteen, 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.000 I think when this movie came out, so I was, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:40.240 you know, still an impressionable teenager, but um older than 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:45.120 the characters. Thirteen year olds are famously feral. I feel 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.280 like by the time you're sixteen, you're a little less feral, right, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.679 I mean, I guess it just depends on the person. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.959 Maybe you're more feral by then. Some people are, that's true, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.040 and some people stay feral their whole lives. And you 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:04.800 look at but um, I was also, uh, I was. 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:09.200 I was quite the goody two shoes myself. So I 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:13.880 found this movie like understandable but also disturbing at the time, 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.160 and I think that's the same impression I have of 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.439 it now. I find this movie more stressful to watch 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:25.520 than Uncut Gems. I guess that that is like the 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:30.800 go too stressful movie didn't compare it to but for 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.000 like different reasons obviously. I mean, I will say, before 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:38.160 preparing for this episode, I knew nothing about the production 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:43.000 background about Believing, and I sort of went into this 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:49.160 rewatched thinking this movie had to have been strictly a 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.760 cautionary tale, like in the way that I feel like 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.240 every generation has its like grand cautionary tale. I know 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.400 that my mom gave me a copy of her Generations 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:03.160 Cautionary tail, Go ask Alice Ship. Yeah, I wrote that 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.400 book right when I was a kid, and like that 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.880 for for listeners not in the know of how go 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.920 ask Alice culture, it's very bizarre. It is also a 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.360 cautionary tale about a young girl. I don't remember how 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.520 old she is in the book, but um, it's supposed 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.840 to be like an anonymous journal from like the nineties 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.720 seventies of a young girl who gets into drugs and 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:29.000 sex very young it destroys her life. Later on it 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.360 was revealed that it was not an anonymous journal by 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.960 a twelve year old girl who I think canonically dies. Um, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.280 it was written by an old lady under an assumed 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:46.320 name to scare young girls out of doing anything. It's 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.280 far more complicated than that. But this is like a 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.640 recurring I feel like every generation has a story like this. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:58.560 But the kind of like wrench in that for thirteen 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:03.000 is that Nicky Reid was extremely involved in the writing 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.760 of this, So there was a thirteen year old girl 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.160 and it's like based off of her life, right, and 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.240 it's like, so a thirteen year old girl's perspective is 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.760 like absolutely cannon to this movie. And rewatching it back, 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.280 it was like, oh, I feel like that actually does 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.240 come through Again, we'll get into the ethics of it, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:28.480 but yeah, this is a really sticky, interesting movie. Indeed, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.800 shall I recap it? Yeah? Good luck. I love this 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.760 part of the podcast. By the way, Caitlin, thank you 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.120 so much for doing it every time. Truly, she's braver 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.720 than the truths for this. Oh my goodness, thank you 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.080 so much. Um. Well, actually, let's take a quick break 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:55.000 first and then I'll come back and recap. And we're 0:15:55.040 --> 0:16:00.840 back and here they are with the famous Caitlin. First, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:08.440 I'll do a content slash trigger warning for everything, like 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:15.160 for for everything self harm, teen drug use, teens, sex, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.960 and sexuality that's mostly suggested and not but like some 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.640 of it is kind of shown on screen. What else, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:28.280 I mean, discussion of sexual abuse and physical abuse, of 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:34.320 depictions of overdose, kind of name it. It's referenced or 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:39.240 happens in the movie. Right. Yeah, So the movie opens, 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:45.400 we meet two girls who are presumably thirteen years of age. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.000 One of them is Tracy played by Evan rachel Wood. 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.040 We see her friend also, who will turn out to 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:59.480 be e V. Samora. They are inhaling like keyboard cleaner, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.280 like some kind of thing from an aerosol can. They're 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.520 getting high. They are punching each other because they can't 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.479 feel anything, and they're trying to see if they can 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.480 like sense paint. We then cut to four months earlier. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:16.840 Tracy is a you know, quote unquote normal kid. She 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.040 comes from kind of like a lower middle class background, 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:25.480 working class background. We meet Tracy's mom, Melanie played by 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.359 Holly Hunter. Did not know who Holly Hunter was. The 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.960 first time I saw this movie totally forgot she was 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:35.200 in it. I did because Oh, Brother Were Art though, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:41.720 was one of my favorite movies at the time, So yeah, 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.680 you're so cool. Oh my gosh. Melanie is a single mom. 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.920 She works as a hairdresser. She's in a twelve step program. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:55.200 We also meet Tracy's older brother, Mason played by Brady Corbett, 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.960 who goes to school with Tracy. It seems like he's 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.960 like a year or two older. We also meet Tracy's 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:07.080 friend Noel that's Vanessa Hudgens Wild how Vanessa Hudgens was 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.480 like just They're like, oh, we need a good girl. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.199 We gotta get Vanessa Hudgens in the mix, like she 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.119 was so good girl Cannon in this era high school 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:23.040 musical much the Best Girl, Find Me a Better Girl. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.560 We see Tracy and Noel on their first day of 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.879 first day, I'm not sure a day of seventh grade. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.640 There's another girl at school, Evie Zamora, played by Nicky Reid, 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.080 who again co wrote the screenplay. This movie is based 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.879 on her experience from like ages twelve to thirteen. Also, 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:50.120 the use of the name Evie. I was like, okay, Bible, okay, 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.800 that's interesting. Is there a biblical character named I've never 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:59.639 read them? Well, here is Eve, the o g tempest. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:06.960 Do I tell them this story? Have heard of Eve? 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:12.080 I That my guess is because this movie does makes 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.120 a lot of broad writing choices, that the use of 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.919 Eve was intentional because she goes into a garden and 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.520 then there's like a snake there and the snake is like, 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.320 eat this apple. And he was like, okay, well, I 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.760 feel like a story right, That's exactly how it goes. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:34.280 It's like the moral is um women are bad um. 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.480 Except for Vanessa Hudgens, except for Vanessa Hudgens, who gets 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:42.640 written out in midway that scene where poor sweetie Vanessa 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.480 Hudgens is in her like puppy shirt or whatever, and 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:47.199 it's like Evan Rachel would hang out with me and 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.919 they're like look and then just like bail on her. 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.600 You're like Vanessa sad. And then she goes to a 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:57.280 ski lodge with her family and her life changes because 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:01.600 she meets to think that that's can and she's like, 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.320 I have to my only friend broke up with me. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:11.000 I have to move to East High exactly. Okay. So 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.480 there's this girl Evie. She's like very popular, she's cool. 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:19.800 All the boys like her, all the girls think she's 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:24.800 super cool. Tracy is feeling very insecure about like her 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.439 clothes and just sort of her whole persona because some 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.400 like girls make a mean comment about what she's wearing. 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.800 So she comes home, she like throws away all of 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.080 her barbies and stuffed animals, and she wants to be 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:39.720 more mature, more grown up. And part of this is 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.600 her approaching ev at school and like trying to befriend her, 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:45.800 and Evie is like, why don't you call me after 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.320 school and we can go shopping on Melrose And I'm like, Okay, 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:53.480 I guess we're in Los Angeles. Ever heard of it there? 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:57.240 This is already where I feel like me and Tracy 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.480 diverged in a wood at that time, because I would 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.680 never be have enough to talk to a popular girl, 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.000 especially if she then gave me a fake phone number. 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.840 I would um, I would walk into the ocean if 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:12.400 that had happened. Yes, But this does not deter Tracy, 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.919 and she goes and somehow knows exactly where Evie is 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.200 shopping at this exact moment, and she goes to this 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.040 store because she does try to call Evie and like 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.560 the numbers not in service, so it's like, oh, I 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.400 guess Evie gave her the wrong phone number on purpose, 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.880 question Mark. But Tracy goes to find her, and she 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:38.119 watches Evie and her friend shoplift, which Tracy is like, 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.639 oh my gosh, this is new territory. But then she 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:44.280 goes and steals a woman's wallet at a bus stop 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.160 or she was having a bad day, she was having 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.680 a bad day. You get here and then her wallet 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:55.080 with and it's full of cash. So Tracy Evie and 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:57.840 Evie's friend Asterriid. I think we learned her name is. 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.719 They go to say Chers and buy a bunch of shoes. 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.880 I know the Sketchers they go to. Do you guys 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.360 know the Sketchers. I think it's still there. If it's 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.680 the Hollywood Boulevard Sketchers, I'm like, I've browsed there, Okay, 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.200 browsed there. Wow. I can't believe I went to the 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:22.080 Sketchers from thirteen. I didn't even know. Amazing A great story. 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:28.359 Um So back home. Tracy's mom Melanie her on again, 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.720 off again boyfriend Brady played by what's the guy's name? 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:37.800 Jeremy's sister. How do we know who Jeremy's sister is? 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.239 Every time I see him, I go oh yeah, oh 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:44.640 yeah him? Is that? What is he famous for? How 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.040 do we know who? Oh? He was in six ft Under? 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.639 That doesn't help because I didn't want to show. But 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:51.800 I think that that's what people know him from. Oh 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.600 he's in clueless. I think that's what I recognize him from. 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:59.919 As Elton. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes he's the 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.800 guy that you're supposed to want share with and then 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:04.399 he turns out to be an asshole and he bails 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:09.000 on her. Right, that's Jeremy Sister, got it. Yes, he 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:15.159 is an addict, like recovering addict. Who um. It's suggested 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.480 that like he and Melanie know each other from the 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:21.399 twelve step program, he also seems to like bail on 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.600 Melanie and kind of only be around when it's convenient 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.680 for him. So Tracy really resents him and the way 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.879 that he treats her mom and also has been like 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.879 exposed to him withdrawing from drugs in a way that 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.800 I think was really scary for her or position as. Yeah, 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.000 the way this movie treats addiction I thought was interesting, 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:45.159 like where it's like you can totally understand that from 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.679 a however old she was then eleven or twelve year 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.720 olds perspective, that's a really scary thing to see. And 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.760 also that that's not that doesn't make Jeremy Sister a 0:23:53.760 --> 0:24:00.440 bad person. Like, Yeah, So Tracy and ev get closer. 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:06.080 Evi turns out to sell acid. She and Tracy go 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.920 to a park, they get high, they're kissing some boys. 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.800 They're spending more and more time with each other, and 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.080 Tracy is spending less and less time with her mom, 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:20.600 less and less time with Vanessa Hudgens. That's a red flag, 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:28.000 a bat path. I feel like, so Evie is sort 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:31.399 of like the Vanessa Hudgens character and princess switched to 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:37.720 the bad what was her name? Fiona? And honestly amazing 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:39.440 that you remember that. I think that that is true. 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.600 I would not have gotten that with a gun to 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.840 my head. And then Vanessa Hudgens character in the movie 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:51.679 thirteen is Vanessa Hudgens, the Chicago Baker, the worst Vanessa Hudgens, 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:57.919 as far as I'm concerned, the flop Vanessa Hudgens. I 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:00.920 hate that the main Vanessa Hudgens is like the worst one. 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:04.720 It's like, give me more bad British accent Vanessa Hudgens 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:10.320 where she's what I'm saying, yeah, exactly, heart degree. So Tracy, 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.120 you know, she's again she's kind of bailing on her 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:17.360 her like former friends and family. She's slacking off at school, 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:21.439 she's dressing more suggestively, she gets her tongue pierced, and 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:27.160 we're like, okay, Evie perhaps is a bad influence on Tracy. 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:32.439 And then Evie confides in Melanie that Evie's guardian, this 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:38.640 woman Brooke, who is Evie's older cousin that Brook's boyfriend 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.800 is physically abusive to Evie. And then this is kind 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:46.200