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Speaker 1: Of Course, Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: Yo Yo Yo, What up?

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Speaker 3: This is this?

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Speaker 4: Fonte Fontigelo here with another QLs classic. This episode we're

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Speaker 4: taking it back to January eighteen, twenty eighteen, with Faith Newman.

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Speaker 4: Faith Newman is the an r signed NODS and helped

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Speaker 4: create the runway for Amatic. She joins thet QULS to

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Speaker 4: discuss her time at Death Jam Columbia and we're going

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Speaker 4: ugk too short at job. It's it y'all, episode number

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Speaker 4: eighteen of PULS. Fifth Newman on the US classic.

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Speaker 5: Who Suprema Suck Suck Supremo Roll Call, Suprema Suck Suck Subpremo,

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Speaker 5: Roll Call, Supremo, sup Up Supremo Roll Call, Suprema Suck

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Speaker 5: Suck Suprema roll Call.

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Speaker 6: My name is Question. Yeah, that's who I am. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna ask Faith new Man. Yeah, hollobout Primo, Suprema Road.

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Speaker 5: Called, Suprema Suprema role call.

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Speaker 4: My name is Fante. Yeah, I'm in the place. Yeah

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Speaker 4: I'm not George Michael. Yeah, but I just gotta have Faith.

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Speaker 2: Roll call Suprema Suprema Roll Call. Yeah, Faith new Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they call me sugar. Yeah, the sexy you Man, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Punch spread No so Supreme roll called.

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Speaker 2: I'm on Hey Bill, Yeah, I can't get no better.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Ready for eggnog?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Christmas sweaters?

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Speaker 5: Who call Suprema So SUPREMEA roll call, Supreme Son Son Supremo.

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Speaker 3: Road calls Boss Bill the meanest, Yes, Boss build the prettiest, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Boss build the baddest more fu No down around this town.

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Speaker 5: Supremo role called Suprema Son Sun Supremo role call.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Working on a rhyme scheme. Yeah, I don't know what

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Speaker 7: I mean. Yeah, but I'm trying to see.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, Supreme, why why she with me?

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Speaker 6: Up?

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Speaker 2: Roll Suprema Son Son Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 8: My name is Faith.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I haven't rhymed since nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, oh Supremo roll call, Suprema Son Son Supremo

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Speaker 5: role call. Suprema Son So Supremo. Role called Suprema Son

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Speaker 5: Son Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 1: It's actually ironic that we are in or Barrack Street,

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Speaker 1: in the location of the I guess the original.

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Speaker 8: I thought you were going to go to death, Jam,

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Speaker 8: I was trying to.

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Speaker 2: Go to death Jam, So Death Jam wasn't on this block.

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Speaker 8: No, the original original was on Elizabeth Street.

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Speaker 1: I see, well, that voice you hear, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: is a legendary, legendary voice. What can I say about

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Speaker 1: Faith Newman? I mean she has She's been there for

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Speaker 1: some of your favorite moments in music. If you are

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Speaker 1: a hip hop hit, you know, if if the Maroon

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Speaker 1: to Black Death Jam logo the original meant anything to

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Speaker 1: you in the eighties, in the nineties, Faith Newman was there.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention, uh, she spirit headed.

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Speaker 1: Probably one of the most debated and contested pieces of

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Speaker 1: of work that has ever been in hip hop. I'm

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Speaker 1: speaking of Illmatic by nas. You've done so much more.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Faith Newman.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our dungeon. How are you doing to day, Faith, I'm.

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Speaker 8: Doing okay Man you yeah, yeah, Dungeon, Dungeon.

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Speaker 2: Come to my underground LA.

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Speaker 1: When you hear that, normally I don't, I don't kick

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Speaker 1: off an episode with the song, But when you hear

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Speaker 1: that particular piece or just stuff from that era, like,

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Speaker 1: what's the first thing.

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Speaker 8: You thought of when you heard well, you know, I

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Speaker 8: started working at Deaf Jam at eighty seven, right, so, uh,

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Speaker 8: you know when I was still in college, and it

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Speaker 8: was just an amazing, amazing time. Just some of the

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Speaker 8: best years of my life were spent there. I was

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Speaker 8: one of the first five people at the company, first woman, Right.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, if you.

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Speaker 1: Were a woman in that vironment, I know that you

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Speaker 1: have to have the toughest skin of all time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you're like what you're around. You were around twenty.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one in that environment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, Well, you know, there was no such thing

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Speaker 4: as HR department. There's no HR department. There was no

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Speaker 4: trigger warnings, there was none.

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Speaker 2: Of that, you know.

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Speaker 8: You know what's interesting though, was that before def CHAM

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Speaker 8: I interned at Columbia Records eighty six and yeah, and

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Speaker 8: you can imagine what that was like then. You still,

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Speaker 8: I don't know if you saw the show No, the

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Speaker 8: one that got canceled on HBO about the record thank You,

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Speaker 8: Thank You, thank you, It was like that.

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Speaker 2: Like, wait, canceled, Yeah, yeah, yeah one and done done Damn.

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Speaker 2: Next to that was damn. I was actually I was

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Speaker 2: into it too. Yeah, I liked it as well.

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Speaker 8: But wow, but those guys, you know in eighty six

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Speaker 8: that were in the record had been in the record

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Speaker 8: business since, you know, whenever the seventies were still there,

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Speaker 8: and that's where I got I experienced more harassment, you

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Speaker 8: know what I mean? I see and I feel like

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Speaker 8: with hip hop though, it's like I never could have

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Speaker 1: But so you're saying that working at Columbia in eighty

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Speaker 1: six prepared you for the tough skin of the battles that.

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Speaker 2: You would have to deal with.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, it's funny, like I don't know if

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Speaker 8: it was my youth or whatever, how much I loved

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Speaker 8: hip hop, It just I didn't think of myself as

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Speaker 8: you know, that's kind of how it was with everybody

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Speaker 8: who worked at Deaf Jams, Like we were all young

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Speaker 7: Were there any other women at the time that maybe

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Speaker 7: but were there anything?

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Speaker 8: There were women at Rush? So what you had was

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Speaker 8: management was on the first floor, and you had Lisa

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Speaker 8: Cortez and Heidi Smith. Yeah Cortez, Yeah, who went on

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Speaker 8: to work with Lee Daniels and yeah, she's doing great

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Speaker 8: things in film.

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Speaker 1: She she once infamously told The Roots when we I

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Speaker 1: believe that she went to Mercury uh in ninety four.

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Speaker 2: All right, so something happened.

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Speaker 1: We were going to sign with Mercury, Like we went

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Speaker 1: out to dinner and all this stuff, and then like

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Speaker 2: And that's when Wendy.

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Speaker 1: Goldstein came with all his cash and Lisa Cortez was like,

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Speaker 1: I hope they take race relation classes over there.

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Speaker 2: Like that was like her last like, oh, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: learn today forget uh So like was that You're.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to pedal backwards before I go forward. But

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Speaker 1: how did you wind up in music? You're former phil Philadelphia.

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Speaker 8: I'm a Philadelphia, proud Philadelphian.

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Speaker 7: All right, I'm clapping alone, right, I mean I haven't

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Speaker 7: been with the last sixteen years.

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Speaker 8: Okay, take it.

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Speaker 1: You're always all right, just no officially, like besides us

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Speaker 1: being born on the same day, you're always Philadelphia native

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Speaker 1: to me like DC doesn't count.

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Speaker 7: No, my bougie spirit is down thanks to Philly, Like

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Speaker 7: you know, it takes you down, brings you back up,

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Speaker 7: phlling goop.

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Speaker 2: So you're you're growing? What part of Philadelphia did you?

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Speaker 8: Northeast?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Is this Fishtown?

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Speaker 8: Northeast? Northeast real Northeast, Bustleton Avenue? Okay, Tomlinson Road, I

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Speaker 8: need this sounded familiar? Film on Avenue?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I would expelt Roosevelt if you okay, what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is back in let's say nineteen eighty three. If

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Speaker 1: current day no, no status, Amir Thompson, or to be.

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Speaker 2: In that neighborhood, might I be greeted with some Louisville sluggers,

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Speaker 2: perhaps as to relieve yourself.

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Speaker 8: Them The Northeast? No, the Northeast is special.

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Speaker 2: How okay?

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Speaker 1: So I know me and knowing you personally, I know

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Speaker 1: that you're a soul music officionado. How did that reach

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Speaker 1: you up in the Northeast. Because when I'm thinking seventies

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the.

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Speaker 8: Word yo, like yo, let's go get a head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like when you're from Philly.

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Speaker 8: It's the worst ever. It's so glad. I don't you

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Speaker 8: said that, but you.

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Speaker 2: Said that out Yeah, So like, how were you no

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Speaker 2: pun intended? Were you a black sheep of your Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I have a funny story about that. I want you

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Speaker 8: hear it. Well, actually the reason was Soul Train.

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Speaker 2: Ah, okay, what was the reason.

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Speaker 8: That you ask me?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 2: I meant your love for.

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Speaker 8: The show or just no, my love for the music.

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Speaker 8: It's just I always had music playing in the house.

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Speaker 8: My dad had this great, you know, fancy reel to

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Speaker 8: real player, and he would play a lot of Ray

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Speaker 8: Charles and the Birds, Creeden's Clearwater Revival, like a lot

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Speaker 8: of bluesy stuff that I was always attracted to.

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Speaker 1: And then we should let our let our listeners know

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Speaker 8: Weren't even Yeah, well they bought you know, you'd buy

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Speaker 8: real to real albums like you was, Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: They were.

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Speaker 1: Get and then oh really all the music he liked

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there was always music playing in the house, always

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Speaker 8: on the house, always on the radio in the car.

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Speaker 8: Funny story, I mean you asked kind of how I

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Speaker 8: was different. I my grandparents lived in North Philadelphia and

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Speaker 8: North Yeah you r F O r F North?

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Speaker 2: Wow? What year?

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Speaker 8: Oh god, I mean they moved out in the seventies, so,

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Speaker 8: you know, forties, fifties, sixties. Well, and my mom went

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Speaker 7: Oh, oh my goodness, y'all are your family yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: very integrated, like yeah, but this this story, the funny

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Speaker 7: story is that I was four, I guess four or five,

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Speaker 7: and I was sitting on the stoop in my grandmother's

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Speaker 8: Activists, I guess we're said, I don't know if they

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Speaker 8: were black panthers, I don't know what they were, but

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Speaker 8: they were setting up a table to hand out literature,

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Speaker 8: and I thought that they just looked amazing. They had

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Speaker 8: these you know, big afros, and just they seemed so cool.

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Speaker 8: So I went across the street just to hang out

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Speaker 8: with them, and they said, are you lost? Yeah, which

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Speaker 8: is you know, symbolic and yeah, so that was that

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Speaker 8: was a funny story. But Soul Train was where I

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Speaker 8: got my music from. That was it every Saturday?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: And then pretty much, I mean, what did you and

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was everything that I thought it would be.

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Speaker 2: Damn, USA, USA, I remember that spotyre.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but it is the first time I heard a

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Speaker 8: They made their way, well, they made their way to

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Speaker 1: So okay, So when you're going to the Roxy, like,

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Speaker 2: Really? Yes? So what it? What is his method of

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't like but it wasn't like it was

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Speaker 8: It was like everything was happening at once. It was

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Speaker 8: actually probably eighty three because Planet Patrol performed. That's what

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Speaker 1: Planet Patrol would they'd start their shows looking like I

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Speaker 8: But it was all I mean, it was like that.

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Speaker 2: So did you dress like that as well?

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Speaker 8: And then later on I was really like when I

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Speaker 8: so it makes sense. Remember Calvin Coolers. Yeah, they came

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Speaker 8: in a four pack, not a six pack.

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Speaker 2: Yes, your name was a little four pack.

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Speaker 8: Her name was four pack. Wow, there were four of us,

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Speaker 8: get it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to google that.

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Speaker 8: That's you know, I'm talking Calvin Coolers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I never heard, never heard it.

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Speaker 2: About it. That's why is cooler? Yeah, I'm late. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I just didn't now got the reference because I've heard

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Speaker 2: Was an Actually, wait, who the who the two old

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Speaker 7: That used to sell the James I remember them white

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Speaker 4: Mike's hard lemonade. So for a non Draco like me,

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Speaker 4: would wine cooler been like the perfect?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's just some sweet diabetic black Is it black?

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Speaker 2: I mean you know, like we like, you know, black

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, any kind of wine cool. It's like

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Speaker 2: I know they still make it. It's just marketing towards

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Speaker 2: So wait, when Bruce Willis was singing Sea Cool, who

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Speaker 4: I think it was the thing where it was unintended consequences,

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Speaker 4: right crystal, how we grabbed it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we grabbed It's like, oh damn, we mean them

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Speaker 2: for the niggas to get that, but.

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Speaker 7: The whole.

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Speaker 2: He's like, no, we made polo. We made chaps for

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Speaker 2: y'all niggas. I wasn't sposed get polo, but you know,

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Speaker 2: it happens like sneakers in the dry anyway. So damn.

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Speaker 2: I forgot how we got on this tangent but a tangent.

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Speaker 8: On four pack? Now, the name of the group four

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Speaker 8: packs the name of our group?

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Speaker 2: All right? So what was your actual name in the

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Speaker 2: group four pack?

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Speaker 8: My actual name?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Oh man, you're not going to get that.

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Speaker 3: Come on, we got this play on the Supreme please,

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Speaker 3: oh Lord exclusives.

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Speaker 7: Give us the other girl.

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Speaker 2: We won't send you to HR.

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Speaker 8: We promised, promise. Does not know what it is, you know,

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Speaker 8: you never told them. I must have told them it

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Speaker 8: was M Fortune.

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Speaker 2: Wait.

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Speaker 8: Who are the other three though, Rammy, SD and C Money.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like medical conditions. Are they in the business now?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, were you guys like seriously trying to get a deal.

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Speaker 8: Or we were you know, we were just so like

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Speaker 8: I said, immersed in the culture that it just seemed

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Speaker 8: like this natural extension, like let's just have a group.

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Speaker 8: And we went in the studio with the L A Posse.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow wait era, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I was on the Bigger and Deafer album What what

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Speaker 8: what's on?

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Speaker 2: What's on?

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Speaker 8: I don't know? The go l L Go and Let's

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Speaker 8: get No No and let's get Let's get Wait.

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Speaker 2: When you were still working at Deaf Jam.

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Speaker 8: I hadn't started working with Death Jam. I didn't start

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Speaker 8: working till seven.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, but you started working at def Jam in

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Speaker 1: the eighties eighty seven when that album came out, so

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Speaker 8: It's just it was like a half. It isn't really

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Speaker 7: Was it?

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Speaker 2: Four Whirls?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we're four white girls?

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Speaker 2: And Russell didn't see this at one point? Was a

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Speaker 2: marketing the female Beast? Like, did he know about the.

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Speaker 8: I don't think. I don't think he even knew. It

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Speaker 8: was a short lived part of my life.

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Speaker 2: Were you guys good? We're trying to bring are the

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Speaker 2: demo tapes? Is there an union tour?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we're putting the band back together.

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Speaker 2: Putting man on to him before my ad libs from

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Speaker 2: all Let's get in.

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Speaker 8: But that was the first time I saw Todd without

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Speaker 2: Wow, really, I don't think I saw that till like

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Speaker 2: ninety five.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I got a sneak peek.

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Speaker 1: Quincy Jones told of a story where he brought LLLL

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Speaker 1: one of them. Cosby things like, well in this house,

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Speaker 2: And da da da da.

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Speaker 1: So llll like all embarrassed, took his hat off and

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Speaker 1: then Bill looked at his head, was like, put that hat.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so where do.

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Speaker 8: Put the rap group? Just put that in a little

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Speaker 8: you know bubble that Well, no.

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Speaker 2: You you were?

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Speaker 8: I was?

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Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, was this when you were going to college?

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Speaker 8: I was in college?

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Speaker 2: Correct? Where's your major?

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Speaker 8: Marketing?

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Speaker 2: Did you know, Gina? Or was that to soon ginicker Sean.

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Speaker 7: Gina got strong with the n YU acting she.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to in the n YU and told me, Gina

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Speaker 1: Kershon is the second person I know that has neglected

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Speaker 1: The other person is Ursula Smith set to run. Gina

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Speaker 1: final test that she had to take to get her degree,

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Speaker 1: and Andy Warhol's stopped her and said, you know, you

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Speaker 1: must be in my video. I think he was directing

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Speaker 1: a video for the Cars and he wanted her immediately.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, do I go to do I take

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Speaker 1: this Car's video? What she did the cars video? And

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Speaker 1: the same story with with Ursula Smith. Ursula was was

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Speaker 1: she the official Rush publishes.

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Speaker 2: By then or not yet?

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Speaker 8: Layla la?

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Speaker 2: So Laila was there when it so I know that.

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Speaker 7: She.

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Speaker 1: There was a group on Tommy Boy called Information Society

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Speaker 1: and running, Yeah, running, and it's like one of Stevie

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Speaker 1: b Uh.

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Speaker 2: I needed you.

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Speaker 1: Like everything over a planet rock that's sort of Stevie

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Speaker 1: bs freestyle.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: So she uh, she had brought Information Society to a

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Speaker 1: you know, we don't have a tour manager or something

447
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: like would you travel with us? And but they're like

448
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: now like in an hour, and she took the opportunity.

449
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: She didn't take her finals. She just packed everything and

450
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: left college and went on tour.

451
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 8: I was gonna leave and Rick said that I should

452
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 8: finish because I had one semester to go.

453
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: Was Rick Rubin at NYU at the time or no,

454
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: Like was he actually or was that just folklore that

455
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: he just lived there?

456
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: And yeah, so he was a student there.

457
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, but by the time I, you know, came aboard,

458
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 8: he had you know, he was living in the Elizabeth

459
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 8: Street building.

460
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: Okay, because I'm just under the impression that Rick Rubin

461
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: lived in the NYU dorms like during this whole period,

462
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, when was he actually in college?

463
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 8: No, because he graduated, he would have had to graduate

464
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 8: in eighty four.

465
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, okay, that makes.

466
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 8: Sense, And I graduated in eighty eight.

467
00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: So I see, So like when did you well, you

468
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: did a Columbia first correct.

469
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 8: So, actually, my first first internship was with a company

470
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 8: called Select Records. Yeah, do you remember Select? Yeah, Whistle,

471
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 8: Real Rocks and years is eighty six, summer of eighty six.

472
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: Right when that lethal record was coming.

473
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

474
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: So what did you do at Select?

475
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 8: Made phone calls for you know, Rady, like for I

476
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 8: don't know, the retailers. How big?

477
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: How big was the company back then?

478
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 8: It's about the size of this space we're in right now.

479
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: How many employees full time employees? Four including you?

480
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 8: No, not including me?

481
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: So four and a half yeah, four and a half

482
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: full pack, four pack. So okay, so you left Select

483
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: to go to Colombia. Yeah, was this well, I think

484
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: Terrence was there. What was there? Big eighty six moment.

485
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 8: For you, Gregory Abbott.

486
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: Wow, he just woke Steve up from the original Mark Morrison.

487
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: I want that by my mother, Steve, you know, shaky down.

488
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: Let me tell you about.

489
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 8: Tubs from Miami Vice. No, he did, he did.

490
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: Wasn't Philip Michael Thomas on Columbia? That was Atlantic.

491
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 8: Eddie Murphy was on Columbia.

492
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Did you read that Frint story with

493
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: Eddie Murphy? He was on Columbia's right. Well, okay, the

494
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: thing about Sugar Steve is he is he's the black

495
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: yacht rock expert rock like then you didn't you do

496
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: a book a reporter on like on the Wings of

497
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: Love or something? Wow? Wow, yes, I'm serious.

498
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, play it.

499
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: That's my joint. Can you just sing it? I can wait?

500
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: Why did you do a report on on the wings below? Okay?

501
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: So the story was there?

502
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 9: Was it was actually called it wasn't a report. It's

503
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 9: called a rollout. It was for a music class in

504
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 9: middle school junior high as we call it. And basically

505
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 9: you had to you had to draw the lyrics and

506
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 9: then and and then as and then and then you

507
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 9: get in front of the class, you play the song

508
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 9: on radio or whatever, and then you slowly roll it out.

509
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: That's why it's called roll Yeah. What the school did

510
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: you go to? See why? You smoke a lot of weed?

511
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 8: Yeah?

512
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 7: Yeah?

513
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: Did you have grades?

514
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 9: So so anyway, you you get in front of the

515
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 9: class and you slowly roll it out while the music

516
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 9: is playing so that you see the lyrics and drawing

517
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 9: and so you know, the guy, the music teacher says,

518
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 9: choose a choose a song that you love and and

519
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 9: use that as your as your rollout topic.

520
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: And yours on the wings at yo, matter of fact,

521
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: you can you describe you're oh, please, any reason to

522
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: play this song?

523
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 9: So so the day of the rollout comes and and

524
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 9: I'm sitting in the class and the first the first

525
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 9: u the first student goes and he chose like led

526
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 9: Zeppelin or something. The next guy comes and it's deep purple.

527
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 9: And the next guy comes in it's you know, black

528
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 9: Sabbath and uh. And then Steve walks up there and

529
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 9: and I knew right there I had made sort of

530
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 9: a misjudgment, but I had to follow through it. But

531
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 9: it turns out that I got an a in it

532
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 9: because my music teacher.

533
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: It was black.

534
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 4: No, he was gay, Sugar Steed, a man from downtown, right,

535
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 4: so Gregory Abby at Columbia.

536
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 8: You know that Jeffrey Osborne would do that as was

537
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 8: so disappointing to me. Oh, you know, how do you

538
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 8: go from love ballad?

539
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: And the thing is is that you.

540
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: Whether you want to admit it or not, I mean

541
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: your hip. But you're a suit. I mean you're not

542
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: the artist. I mean at a label, you're either going

543
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: to be the artist or you're going to be the suit. Now,

544
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean, what were the conditions at a record label

545
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: that told that particular artist that I need to cross

546
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: over and.

547
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: And win for survival? Sick? I don't. I don't think

548
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: people cross over just for you know, just for the

549
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: joy of it.

550
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 4: I think it's it's no, it's a calculated decision. It's

551
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: like some survival.

552
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: No.

553
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

554
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: And I mean particularly in the eighties, I mean that

555
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: was at the time where you had like a lot

556
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: of black artists. I mean they was making like that

557
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: fucking ABC Friday Night music, you know what I mean,

558
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: like fucking Stir it Up by Patty and then Horn.

559
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: His sisters Friday Night Network. It was exactly so exact pink.

560
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: Well, then again we did we did learn from Sheep

561
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: Gordon that uh that black artists really weren't making money

562
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: on tour. Right, so records was there there there soul

563
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: means of of you know, generating income.

564
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you didn't have a hit, I mean, and

565
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 4: I guess if you're watching Thriller, right, you know I

566
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: you too would say like, oh I want my piece

567
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 4: of the pie as well.

568
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Harold fall to myya, come on, let's go

569
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: in the studio. Right, So yeah, well he had one

570
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: hit though, Yeah, play me the Rabbit song? So maybe

571
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: maybe I did hear? Yes, you definitely heard, You've heard

572
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: you heard, Shake You Down. It was the number one ahead. Yeah,

573
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: it was there. It was the original Turn of the

574
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: Mac for real.

575
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 8: It was Turn of the Mac was funkier than.

576
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 4: That, I mean just in terms of the Yeah, wait,

577
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: who was hidden on soft eighty six?

578
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: It would have been It would have probably been Springsteen, right.

579
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 8: Yes, that Bonnie Tyler record, remember that one was there?

580
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: That was besides that? Yeah, yea, and.

581
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 8: The album would head to toe and big audio dynamite

582
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 8: remember that?

583
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who?

584
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 9: Of course Elvis Costello put out two albums that year.

585
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 9: Okay on Columbia.

586
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: So at the time you were working at so you

587
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: didn't get to choose what department or.

588
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 8: No, I got stuck in a dance music promotion. That's

589
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 8: where they put me.

590
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: Who was like your supervisor?

591
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 8: Who's this woman, Gail Brucewitz. She was the only female

592
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 8: in the promotion department. And you know, last day of

593
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 8: my I would sit in her office. You know, I'd

594
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 8: look at all the plaques on the wall and I'd

595
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 8: be like, this me is going to be me very soon,

596
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 8: and I'm going to have this, and I'm going to

597
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 8: have that.

598
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: Who did you have to look up to back then?

599
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: Was Sylvia Roon the only one that was remotely about

600
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: to win? Well even in eighty six she was still yeah,

601
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: not an executive, No.

602
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 8: There was really no probably no okay anyway, So the

603
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 8: last day of my intern and ship. Also in that time,

604
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 8: I turned twenty one and I had a big birthday

605
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 8: party and run dyem Sea came and Houdini and the

606
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 8: Beastie Boys and yeah, because I was I was out

607
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 8: in the clubs and you know, and I had met

608
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 8: Russell totally randomly walking down Bleaker Street with the guy

609
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 8: from London Records, who knew Russell because London used to

610
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 8: distribute Deaf Jam before they went to Columbia. And so Mike,

611
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 8: my friend Mike introduced me to Russell, and you know,

612
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 8: my mind's going like, you know, a million miles a minute,

613
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 8: like this is your moment, this is your chance, you

614
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 8: better fucking talk your ass off, and like, so I sat.

615
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 8: He asked us to sit down, and I just like

616
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 8: went in on every liner note. I had ever read

617
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 8: every artist, producer, musician, everything, and you know, and he

618
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 8: looks at me and he's like, what do you do? Said?

619
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 8: You know, I'm in school and he's like, how do

620
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 8: you know so much about black music? I was like,

621
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 8: well this, you know, I grew up listening to this

622
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 8: and that, this and that. He said, you know, I would,

623
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 8: I'd hire you from my company, you know if I

624
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 8: could so stay in touch.

625
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: And you know, and you did you bug him until

626
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: I didn't.

627
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 8: I didn't, you know, I didn't bug. That was like

628
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 8: the summer of eighty six and I did the internship

629
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 8: and you know, I guess the story I was going

630
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 8: to tell was the woman who I interned for asked

631
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 8: me to come into her office and she closed the

632
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 8: door and she started crying. Yep, and she said, stay

633
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 8: away from this business. It's no place for a woman.

634
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 8: I'm trying to save you now before you you experience

635
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 8: any real heartbreak like I experienced, like oh shit, you're crazy.

636
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: Now let it out.

637
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 7: What what.

638
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: Do you I mean without naming names or whatever, like

639
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: what treatment? What is the environment at a major label?

640
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: The major label of the moment?

641
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 8: Yeah? Yeah, yet in the coff Yeah, he had just

642
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 8: left and al Teller was the president at the time.

643
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 8: Between yet and the coff and.

644
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: Montola came in eighty seven, right, I'm not sure I

645
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: think so. So that was a very short that was

646
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: like eighty five eighty six practically.

647
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 8: Yeah.

648
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: Wait, why did yet Nikov get dismissed?

649
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 8: I don't know. I thought he was part of the

650
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 8: whole you know, pay for play thing that got that

651
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 8: everybody got caught up the scandal.

652
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well has that ever stopped?

653
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 8: No?

654
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: No, I thought I'd tell you that we won't stop.

655
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 8: But can you talk about that?

656
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 7: That's interesting being a woman in the time, starting as

657
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 7: an intern and then the trans transition to being the

658
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 7: first woman at depth jam. Did it make the difference?

659
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 8: Yeah? Made a huge difference, because you know, I so

660
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 8: in April comes of eighty seven, I come home from

661
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 8: school note on the refrigerator. Rick Rubin called, I think

662
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 8: it's a joke. I asked my roommate, is this for real?

663
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 8: He said, yeah, I think it is. Call Rick. He

664
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 8: said yeah. You know, everybody at Columbia thought you were great.

665
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 8: Russell really likes you. You know, you're really smart. You

666
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 8: want to come work for Deaf Jam just like that?

667
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 8: So I said sure. He said, do you want to

668
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 8: know how much you're going to make? I said sure,

669
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 8: you know, okay, so school me.

670
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: At least before you get to deaf Jam. What's what's

671
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: the average pay salary?

672
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 8: Like, Oh, I don't know. They started me at eighteen thousand.

673
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: A year deaf Jam nineteen eighty six.

674
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 8: Nineteen eighty seven, and you were living in I was

675
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 8: living in the village on Sullivan Street between Bleaker and

676
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 8: West third and a fifth floor walk up with other roommates.

677
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 8: Didn't matter, didn't matter. I would have paid them to

678
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 8: go work for them. I didn't care.

679
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, what what was it about deaf Jam at

680
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: the time?

681
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 8: That's jam Jam was everything. I mean, look at the

682
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 8: artists that they had and you know it was you know,

683
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 8: it's a cliche, but it's true. I mean people would

684
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 8: go into the store, you know, and it's music factory

685
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 8: or wherever it was, and there's a deaf Jam logo

686
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 8: on that vinyl. You buy it.

687
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: You know, I have questions about that though, about the

688
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: deaf Jam label. Yes, it didn't, it didn't.

689
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 8: That didn't sustain I'm saying at that at this particular

690
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 8: moment in time.

691
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: Right, you know, Okay, well, no, I'm but what I

692
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: want to know is just what was it that made

693
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: her warn you?

694
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 8: Oh? Oh, those guys were scumbags. They were awful, They

695
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 8: were you know, I would get hit on constantly by

696
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 8: you know, the other promotion guys. Again, it's like the

697
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 8: characters and Vinyl only real life left over from the seventies. Still,

698
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 8: you know, in that that mindset, at the total misogyny,

699
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 8: that's you know, So.

700
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: At any point did they did you did they use

701
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: you as a focus group, like hey, what do you

702
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: think about this guy?

703
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 2: And it's like Terrence and Derby.

704
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 8: Or you know, like they didn't ask me anything. I

705
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 8: was stuff in envelopes going to like Latin Quarter. You know,

706
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 8: it's like my own thing. Okay, I see, it was

707
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 8: just it was enough for me to realize that this

708
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 8: is what I wanted to do with my life, but

709
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 8: I was going to do it differently from what I

710
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 8: was experiencing at a major label.

711
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: What were your duties at deaf Jam.

712
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 8: Then it started off with them wanting to start a

713
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 8: publishing company and neither of them knew how to do it.

714
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 8: So they wanted me to go sit with people who

715
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 8: worked for publishing companies and figure out how it worked

716
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 8: and then come back and start one for deaf Jam,

717
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 8: which is what I did.

718
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 2: And then so you had to learn it on the spot.

719
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 8: I learned on the spot. I sat with lawyers and

720
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 8: publishing executives and you know my big earrings, high top

721
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 8: spot builts. Wow, that should give you a good visual.

722
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: That definitely gave me.

723
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 7: But by the time you got the Depth Jam, the

724
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 7: treatment was different, right because you said that, you said

725
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 7: the guys were a little bit they were worth.

726
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 8: So we were all like around the same age, you know,

727
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 8: So there wasn't that weird thing of like these older

728
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 8: dudes and younger females. You know, we were all and

729
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 8: it was just it was just a different environment. I

730
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 8: think we all felt like we were and again not

731
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 8: to sound like a cliche, you know, but that we

732
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 8: were really part of something special.

733
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 2: Your jacket.

734
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 8: I got my jacket right away. I got the black

735
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 8: bull wow black yeah.

736
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, for those that don't know in nineteen eighty seven,

737
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: eighty eight, eighty.

738
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: Nine, the deaf jam logo on your back, that that

739
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: held wow, that help power like no other. Well you

740
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: know again, I'm saying it like I've lived it, which

741
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: clearly I wasn't there.

742
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 7: But was it like a limited number of giving out

743
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 7: like and only certain like you got to be a

744
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 7: point of management or something like that.

745
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 8: You just see how to actually work for the company

746
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 8: and just be maybe one step removed from working for

747
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 8: the company. No, I don't think interns got jackets. I

748
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 8: don't think we had interns. We weren't enough of us.

749
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 8: There was only five of us. We didn't need who

750
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 8: needed interns?

751
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: Okay? But the what was the power of the deaf

752
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: jam jacket?

753
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 8: Oh that could get you like chased down the street demos?

754
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: Oh okay, it's the first.

755
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: Everyone else I talked to is like, yeah, man, I

756
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: can get any night glove whatever.

757
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 8: I didn't think about that. I was already like able

758
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 8: to do that.

759
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: So it's so you wouldn't pip like you wouldn't wear

760
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 2: that jacket as.

761
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 8: Your your No, I didn't need to. I already in

762
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 8: terms of all the clubs and stuff, I was already

763
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 8: looped in so and established.

764
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so you so you started their publishing company

765
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: for them. Yes, that was the first I know, that

766
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: was something that had to be established.

767
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 8: Ory even it doesn't it just they thought of it

768
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 8: as you know, another money making opportunity for the company

769
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 8: that they weren't taking advantage of and other people were,

770
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 8: and that's what they wanted to do.

771
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: So they wanted to start their own motown version.

772
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 8: Of the Joe bet or yes, exactly.

773
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: So did that mean all the def Jam artists had

774
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: to sign their publishing over to deaf Jam?

775
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 8: That was that was the the intent.

776
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: Yes, did that happen? No, okay, because the artists were

777
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: like the hell out of here.

778
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 8: Right artists that time had a turned and things like that.

779
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: You know, the concept of original concept was it were

780
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: they a DJ crew with all the advertisements I saw

781
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: was like stressing that, you know, they're a DJ outfit

782
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: with some mcs.

783
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 8: Like yeah, that sounds right.

784
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: What it was with doctor dre from from TV raps

785
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: and T Money.

786
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 8: I forget the the other I forget there are other

787
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 8: names too. Damn, Faith, I know, I'm sorry. It's thirty

788
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 8: years ago.

789
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: Damn you made me feel bad. What were you doing

790
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty five?

791
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 6: No?

792
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: No, no, okay, So, but there's there's no story or

793
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: recollection of I mean, at one point at that def

794
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: Jam building, the heat got turned on as far as like,

795
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, that.

796
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 8: Was funny you should say that because we didn't have

797
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 8: any heat in that building really literally, so it was great.

798
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 8: We had to wear our troop jackets you know, really yeah,

799
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 8: and to a win until we moved out of that

800
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 8: building at all.

801
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: Like, at what point are you promoted.

802
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 8: To doing A and R?

803
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

804
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 8: Well also well, aside from the publishing thing, also kind

805
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 8: of I set up the whole like an R admin

806
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 8: part of the company that didn't exist prior.

807
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: To it was like it's five of you though, right, Yeah, so.

808
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 8: It was me doing creating the admin s. I learned

809
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 8: to talk to lawyers and people at labels and figured

810
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 8: it out.

811
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: So it's just a learning curve. But by this point,

812
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: like isn't CBS.

813
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 8: Part of the Yeah, yeah, we were distributed and I

814
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 8: spent a lot of time up in Columbia.

815
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: Did they give you guys your own cubicle section or

816
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: do you building?

817
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 8: No, always come up to their building.

818
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: To use their resources and yeah, just to yeah exactly, Okay,

819
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: So how do you how do you like, how do

820
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: you establish it? Admin? This is stuff I don't even

821
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: know that you should be doing now, Like I didn't

822
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: know that.

823
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 8: Well, there was no like a PO system for the studio,

824
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 8: so the studio costs were like out of control. Nobody

825
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 8: was really monitoring it. So there was a lot of

826
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 8: the company just kind of bleeding money in a lot

827
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 8: of places because nobody was like minding the store.

828
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: So it's up to you to handle up to.

829
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 8: Me to handle the business of deaf jam.

830
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you took that initiative on your own.

831
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: Yes, you just got tired of studios like you guys,

832
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: hold me seventeen thousand dollars.

833
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 8: Well, the guy who was supposed to be handling a

834
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 8: lot of this stuff. One day, Rick called me upstairs

835
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 8: and said this was I guess I had been there

836
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 8: for four months and he said, I'm giving you a

837
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 8: promotion I'm giving your raise and I'm firing George, and

838
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 8: I want you to take his job.

839
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have to fire George?

840
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 8: I didn't have to fire George, Rick, Rick fired George,

841
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 8: and that's how I started doing all that the Edmond

842
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 8: stuff that he hadn't been doing. He was, you know,

843
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 8: too busy doing other things.

844
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: So is this where bigger and depfor enters the picture?

845
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 8: Uh?

846
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, now, I know that a big part

847
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: of Rick's disdain for that follow up record One he

848
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: didn't work on it, but two.

849
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: He hated I need Love.

850
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: Now when you guys are getting your daily report, assuming

851
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: that you guys are operating like a real record label

852
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: where you listen to daily reports and listening to new music,

853
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: and this is where we are with the LL record.

854
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: Are you guys in a room at the same time

855
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: where they're like, yo, this is the one? Like what

856
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: are y'all thinking?

857
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 8: I wasn't thinking that it was the one. I think

858
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 8: Columbia was really a big part of pushing that.

859
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 7: Really, h That's interesting because I read somewhere that you

860
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 7: said you're a very melodic type person, so a lot

861
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 7: of these songs, in my mind, I thought, were you

862
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 7: the one that became the voice of women in a

863
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 7: way that okay, So you know how they say there

864
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 7: are women female records, you know, the ones with the

865
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 7: hooks that you can sing. So before you entered the room,

866
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 7: was there nobody? Was there anybody who thought like that,

867
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 7: because I would think that I need would have been

868
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 7: one of yours.

869
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean to me, you know, I was

870
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 8: like a real hip hop head, so it sounded you

871
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 8: know to me, it sounded corny to me.

872
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: Really, but you didn see the dollars signs like, Yo,

873
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 2: this is gonna win first real ballot.

874
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 8: Yeah for the ladies. Yeah, yeah, up to that point,

875
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 8: you didn't really have well it's not true.

876
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: No, I mean he had that one and I can

877
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: give you more, but it was too beat. It was

878
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: too beat heavy, like I can give you more, and

879
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: still got play on like the street hip Hop hour

880
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: of you know, of Philadelphia. So you know it's wow,

881
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: that's amazing to me. So you just you had Luke

882
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: Waron not even I'm not saying did you personally like it?

883
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: Did you think it was going to be effective to

884
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: help the products sell or did you think, oh he's

885
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: losing his he might lose his credibility with us.

886
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 8: That's what I thought. Word, yeah, But I was a purist, so.

887
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that.

888
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: There was a such thing as purest well not even

889
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 4: I mean, hip hop wasn't selling out back then.

890
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: This was the first.

891
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: This was the first risky like this, this song with Mark,

892
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: the first risk of the compromise of rap hip hop.

893
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 4: But I don't think I think it worked on me

894
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 4: was selling out back then because you know, I don't.

895
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 4: I don't think that the pot of money wasn't as

896
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 4: big as it was back then, you know, as it

897
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 4: is now, you know what I mean. So I think,

898
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 4: like particularly with ll In particularly, I remember reading I

899
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 4: think it was in his book or something. He was

900
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 4: saying something to the effect of when he was younger,

901
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: like he would like this movies and people who did

902
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 4: movies or whatever. And when, of course, you know, knowing

903
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 4: where he went to his movie and TV career, when

904
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: they checked that asked them on it, he said, well,

905
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 4: the reason why I dissed it was because I didn't

906
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 4: think it was possible for me at the time. So

907
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: like in eighty six, I think it was a much

908
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 4: more risk of quote unquote selling out back then because

909
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 4: the stakes weren't.

910
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: Really as high.

911
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: It was kind of like, I don't think no one

912
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 4: knew that there was that much money. Yeah, those are

913
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: novelty records though.

914
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 8: You know what it is though, is that it wouldn't

915
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 8: have mattered because radio wasn't gonna play hip hop anyway, exactly.

916
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't no when I okay, So I think

917
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: Brian cut creator's cousin uh went to my high school,

918
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: so he had an early copy of Bigger and deathfort

919
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: And when I first heard I Need Love, like and again,

920
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking in terms of the future, like I

921
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: straight played your rides that joint and wrote.

922
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: Down every lyric gave it. Oh no, I was the

923
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: man for like a month and a half when a

924
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: record came out. Why does it sound so fa?

925
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it was a because I mean

926
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: I remember when that record came out, and I was

927
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 4: just so happy to hear hip hop on the radio

928
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 4: that it didn't you know, you know, I remember, I

929
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 4: remember I'm Bad the first time I heard I'm.

930
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: Bad, and I was like, oh Ship.

931
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 4: But then I Need Love and I was like, oh Ship,

932
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 4: they're playing this on the radio because it was number

933
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 4: one for two weeks and.

934
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: Billboards, Uh the.

935
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 8: I called it the black charts then.

936
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: Records? Yeah, wow, all right.

937
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: So once once it catches fire and you realize that

938
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: we're all gullible, then what were you thinking?

939
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: Mmm?

940
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 8: I was thinking. I was thinking I was glad I

941
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 8: was on the album.

942
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: So you thought that there could be a chance that

943
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: this album might not do as good as Radio.

944
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 8: I think it became clear that that wasn't going to

945
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 8: be the case. It was going to be much bigger,

946
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 8: all right.

947
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: So because all these doors were open to him, were

948
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: those doors open to him? Was just the or was

949
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: it just a perception in my mind that the world

950
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: was his oyster? Like I remember you telling me that,

951
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, what was the what was the rat budget

952
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: for l equal J's follow up out?

953
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 8: Like, what's what for Walking with the Panther?

954
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 6: No?

955
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean for bigger, bigger depth, Like I

956
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: remember you telling me that, like you know all the

957
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,479
Speaker 2: La Potts. First of all, why was the La Posse?

958
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: He chose? I chose him?

959
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 8: I don't know how that happened.

960
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: Was just always out in Cali a.

961
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 8: Lot, Yeah, and hooked up with them?

962
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: And why didn't Rick Rubin get chosen to produce the

963
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: next record.

964
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 8: I don't know. I think he thought he wanted maybe

965
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 8: he wanted more artistic control, he wanted to be hit

966
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 8: somebody he brought into the mix.

967
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 2: Not sure really mm hmm, but like there wasn't anyone

968
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: at the label to.

969
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 8: Tell him, like yo, Like, I don't think Rick wanted

970
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 8: to do it.

971
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 2: And not broken, don't.

972
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 8: I don't think Rick wanted to do it.

973
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, it's not strange to you.

974
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's really strange to me now looking back on it.

975
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, when we get ric grouping, that's exactly where

976
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm asking.

977
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: Okay, why didn't you follow up?

978
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean this all happened, you know, this whole

979
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 8: thing went down in eighty six before I got there.

980
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 2: So Rick was also busy doing like Slayer records and stuff.

981
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 8: He was really into his death metal shit, you know,

982
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 8: Danzig Slayer. In fact, you know, when I had my

983
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 8: interview with him, I first when he called me and

984
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 8: he said, will you come, you know, come and we'll

985
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 8: talk about the job. And so I went to him,

986
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 8: and uh, I was you know, I just had so

987
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 8: much I wanted to ask him, and so much I

988
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 8: wanted to say, and I was talking about different records,

989
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 8: and he said, you know, I'm not really into like

990
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 8: the hip hop thing right now.

991
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: Really, m damn fooled me to the hip hop Yeah

992
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: damn what he said.

993
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 8: And he's and he told me about these these these

994
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 8: you know, these metal acts that he was working with.

995
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 7: He came back, why your heartbroken?

996
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: It took like twenty years.

997
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's so that's why I say, I think

998
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 8: that he was just in a different mind state.

999
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 3: And like I think from what I've read, like there

1000
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: was just a lot ofttension between him and Russell and

1001
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 3: he was just starting to lose a lot of lose

1002
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: interest in the hip hop thing at all.

1003
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's absolutely correct, and he told me as much.

1004
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 2: So, oh god, you just yoursels there. Yeah, I see.

1005
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: So of course you come aboard after the License to Ill.

1006
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: I thought that perhaps maybe the after effects of License.

1007
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: To Ill and this is well, I mean, at the time,

1008
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 2: it sold.

1009
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: At least seven eight million, so I would figure that

1010
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: would single handedlye give you guys the juice monetarily at

1011
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: least to stand on your own two.

1012
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, allow you to sign everything.

1013
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 8: Yep.

1014
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 2: So again I have these romantic visions of the perception

1015
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: of Nation of.

1016
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 8: Millions as the first album I got thanked on.

1017
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's the first rap album with real liner notes

1018
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: that I've ever seen. The album that I feel is though,

1019
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: really at least got the rock critics attention as far

1020
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: as really, I mean the message. The message as a

1021
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: single did some you know, did some work in helping

1022
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: to make hip hop credible in the eyes of rock critics.

1023
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you were around and aware of

1024
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: music journalists in nineteen eighty eight, you saw nothing like

1025
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: the effect of what Nation and Millions had on rock critics.

1026
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: I think.

1027
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: That particular year it topped the Passing Job Critics poll.

1028
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: The Passing Job is kind of the the music critic

1029
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: version of what I would deem rotten Tomatoes, where you

1030
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: just sum up in total every music critic across the country.

1031
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: They give their top ten lists and reasons for why

1032
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: they felt these albums were important. And Nation Millions was

1033
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: the first hip hop record I believe in the album

1034
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: to top the polls. So at the time when you

1035
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: guys are getting this, I've heard a lot of stories

1036
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: including well DMC told me that it was him and

1037
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: jam Master Jay that even allowed Rebel without a pause

1038
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: to beat because Russell hated Rebel without a pause. So

1039
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm assuming again and that you're saying that Russell's tastes

1040
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: and rick tastes work very different.

1041
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 8: Well, I mean that's the story. You know, it's a

1042
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 8: true story that that Russell never liked Public Enemy from

1043
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 8: the beginning. And I thought that they should be, you know,

1044
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 8: wearing Adidas sweatsuits. And you know, he just had his

1045
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 8: own vision of what it should be, and Rick had

1046
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 8: a had another vision.

1047
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: It's just crazy to me, like, how okay, how you

1048
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: see like three white kids from Brooklyn and you see

1049
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: dollar sign but you can't see that you know, these

1050
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: scary this this crew from Long Island.

1051
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: Well, I mean yeah, I guess if on paper a

1052
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: group from Long Island could be the most political important

1053
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: group of of our time and you just don't see

1054
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: how that works.

1055
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: Public Enemy was probably I can see them being a

1056
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: very tough Sell. It was scary sounding, it was noisy,

1057
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah for eighty eight.

1058
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: It was it was it was some radical ship.

1059
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 7: And they're black, Like maybe they were white, it'd be

1060
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 7: easier sell for Russell since he is black. Sometimes we

1061
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 7: get in our own way, right, I don't.

1062
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: Know, Well, yeah, but I'm just saying that for me,

1063
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: I just I thought there was an instant easy sell

1064
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: because the way that Chuck d kind of centered the group,

1065
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: which I mean, when I saw them, I didn't necessary

1066
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying I didn't pay attention, but.

1067
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: Only when when too much posse came on. And then

1068
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: I realized, wait, one of these guys talks way more

1069
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: shit than the other members.

1070
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell, Like you see the album cover, you

1071
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: just see like six black guys, You're like, oh, which

1072
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: one is talk?

1073
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: Who was the one? Right?

1074
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: But I noticed, like, wait, one of these guys talks

1075
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: way more shit than the other guys doing this group,

1076
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: And then that that became my attraction, Like anytime the

1077
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: shit talking one spoke, it was funny and so and

1078
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: but that was by design, like they.

1079
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: Purposely, Yeah, it was the full flavor. Was they used

1080
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: flavor flavor.

1081
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 7: About Public Enemy? Because somebody recently said that to me

1082
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 7: that everything was so purposeful and the way that the

1083
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 7: group was put together, Is that truely? And how much

1084
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 7: was it purposeful and how much was just organic?

1085
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 8: I think a lot of it was very purposeful. I think,

1086
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 8: well there was you know, they had the they had

1087
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 8: the radio show, you know, and that's how Chuck w

1088
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 8: B A I. Yeah, and that's how Chuck connected with Flavor.

1089
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 8: So that was organic. That was before they kind of

1090
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 8: actually started the group Spectrum City Spectrum City. Yeah. But

1091
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 8: the whole idea of adding the S one w's and

1092
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 8: the whole thing that was that was you know, that

1093
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 8: was show business.

1094
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: It was smart.

1095
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 8: It was very smart.

1096
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: Well this leads to all right, before we get to

1097
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: your Columbia illmatic period, one of my favorite stories of

1098
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: all time, if I mean, the reason why I even

1099
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: wanted to do the show. It's just though that one

1100
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: day MC search could come on a guy who has

1101
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: so many stories.

1102
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 8: Of yeah, yes when sorry, I love Search too.

1103
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: So Cordon's Search Hammer, here's his mom's being called out

1104
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: like that. Uh.

1105
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: Pete Nice was trying to explain to Hammer that it

1106
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: was a pun of turn this mother out. The cactus

1107
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: turned Hammer's mother out. But Hammer was the way what.

1108
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 8: Was thee what was the good way of looking at it?

1109
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: Well, anyway, they put a hit out on their lives,

1110
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: and I guess the legend never put a hit out

1111
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: on third basis Lie Oakland. Yeah.

1112
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 7: Uh.

1113
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: And so as Search gets on the plane, Search and uh,

1114
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: Pete Nice get on the plane. I think they're flying

1115
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: out to LA to do the party machine, which is

1116
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: our Senio Hall's post show people's Yes, yeah, missus, Howard

1117
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: Hewett Yeah.

1118
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 8: Wait what.

1119
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: Wait were you around?

1120
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 5: Oh?

1121
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 8: They got married, right, they didn't have a kid.

1122
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 2: It was like yes, yea.

1123
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: Anyway, so the five hour duration of this flight, I'm

1124
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: not going to give the entire story a weight because

1125
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: Search will tell it way better than me. But there

1126
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: was a lot of kumbaya and having it, you know,

1127
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: to go on, uh, to keep them from getting killed,

1128
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: which ended with Michael Concepcion h sitting sitting next to

1129
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah in his wheelchair, sitting next to Michael Jackson, who

1130
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: wasn't even supposed to be If you remember the American

1131
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,439
Speaker 1: Music Awards with when Eddie Murphy Michael Jackson are giving

1132
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: each other like Artists of the Decade Awards whatever. None

1133
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: of that stuff was ever supposed to happen. So I

1134
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: guess Russell since that the threat to their lives was

1135
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: so big that Russell called Donnie and Tommy please make

1136
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: something happen, And of course, in talking to Michael Concepcion,

1137
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: the only person that could put the halt to the

1138
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: hite of One of his stipulations was one, find me

1139
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: a label to do We're all.

1140
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 4: In the Same Gang, which is weird because Russell could

1141
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 4: have just easily said, I'll put it on my label,

1142
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 4: but instead Russell's like.

1143
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 2: Like, I want none to do.

1144
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: It was all West Coast right. Well, no, it was

1145
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: not even Third Base. Def Jam didn't even have any

1146
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 3: acts on that record.

1147
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: I would have just thought in I mean, in a

1148
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: five hour flight to LA and you're trying to save

1149
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: someone's life. He was still like, I don't you can

1150
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: go to Warner Brothers. I'll hook you up, like there's

1151
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: somebody over there that will take your record.

1152
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 4: He would have had nothing to benefit from that. Oh,

1153
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 4: especially if you heard the rest of that all on

1154
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 4: the Same Gang album?

1155
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: Did you buy that as well? I did not buy it.

1156
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 2: I dodged that bullet. A buddy of mine bought it.

1157
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: It's about Bill. It's about Bill. Bill. Did you purchase

1158
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: We're All on the Same Gang album?

1159
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 9: No?

1160
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: Just the twelve in Okay? It was that the album

1161
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: is that bad?

1162
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 7: It was more songs with the same album.

1163
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 2: It was.

1164
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't It was just like solo tracks from other

1165
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 3: people that no one knew was not at all okay,

1166
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 3: like Deaf Jeff's Weed Rollers.

1167
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: Well anyway, so Michael.

1168
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: So then the legend is that Donnie and Tommy Mantola

1169
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: had to then call it Dick Clark. Uh two oh

1170
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: because Michael because actually un insisted on sitting next to

1171
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson American Music Awards and they're like, well, he's

1172
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: not coming, he's not up for anything, so that's not

1173
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: going to happen. He's like, well, I'm sorry, I can't

1174
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: help you. Okay, we'll make it happen. And then they

1175
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: had to beg Dick Clark to give Michael a special award.

1176
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: But then once Bob Jones and Michael Jackson reluctantly agreed

1177
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: to do this, then their stipulation was, well, someone important

1178
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: has to give it to us. We want Eddie Murphy

1179
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: to give us this award. And Eddie Murphy is so

1180
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:38,439
Speaker 1: busy doing no Harlem Knights he couldn't leave the set.

1181
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: So then they had to call the paramount like this

1182
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: just oh my God of Domino fuckery, just for this moment.

1183
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: So was this worth this faith?

1184
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 6: No?

1185
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1186
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 4: All this ship over there have third Base album jail. Yeah,

1187
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 4: even a side like a filler cut. So the whole

1188
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 4: Third Base project? Did you sign Third Base?

1189
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 6: No?

1190
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 8: But I worked with him.

1191
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: How did they come into your How did they even

1192
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: come to the Deaf Jam?

1193
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 8: They came to the Deaf Jam as far as I

1194
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 8: can recall through Sam Severn.

1195
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 2: Okay, but was this was this some Chico Bar's D'Angelo

1196
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 2: revenge mission thing? Yeah, like the Beastie Boys left us,

1197
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: so now we need a new white group with credibility.

1198
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 8: Yeah. I had something to do with it, and search

1199
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 8: was really I mean I met him in eighty I

1200
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 8: want to say eighty five at Union Square.

1201
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: Okay.

1202
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: When people guests come on the show, everyone has a

1203
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: Latin Quarter story. Were you a Latin Quarter ahead? Or Oh,

1204
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: how come I'm not meeting anyone that's like, hell, no.

1205
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 8: I never went to the Latin Quarter lived in the

1206
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 8: Latin Quarter?

1207
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: What I've been that person? Yes, Dante Dante Ross told

1208
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: you that you wouldn't you wouldn't have gone there.

1209
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you still would go to Latin Quarter even

1210
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: though there was a risk factor involved.

1211
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: And it was worth it.

1212
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 8: It was worth it every time, except for the night

1213
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 8: that they shut it down. Where I was at that night.

1214
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: Everybody was there at the night they shut down down corner.

1215
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: What happened the night they shut down.

1216
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 8: As I remember it, Yeah, l was there and somebody

1217
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 8: snatched his chain, which happened a lot of the Latin Quarter,

1218
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 8: you know, and it set off the sequence of events

1219
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 8: with like this, I don't know, people like this mass

1220
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 8: of people running to get away. I think somebody had

1221
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 8: a knife or something and like and then they are

1222
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 8: already just spilling out into Times Square afterwards. But I

1223
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 8: remember there was like you went upstairs to the you

1224
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 8: came in, then you went upstairs that's where the main

1225
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 8: area was, and there was it's like this marble like

1226
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 8: mirrored thing on the side of the stairs. It was

1227
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 8: just covered with blood, like all the way.

1228
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 7: Down and no bullets, no bullet hard work bullom. Yeah,

1229
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 7: that sounds like hard work, you know, staffman and punching.

1230
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be the quartered episode, right.

1231
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 8: As I remember, that was the last night. It was

1232
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 8: last night I ever went there last night last night.

1233
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you only got one time, and still it wasn't.

1234
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 8: As bad as a rooftop, and you still went to

1235
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 8: the rooftop. I stopped going to the rooftop.

1236
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 2: What was the rooftop?

1237
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 8: Like it was crazy, but there was a lot of

1238
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 8: a lot of shit went down the rooftop.

1239
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 2: All right, So what's the pros of going to the

1240
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 2: rooftop in the Latin corner? What's the pros?

1241
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 8: The pros especially Latin Quarter. I mean Pe did their

1242
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 8: first show there.

1243
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: I heard that didn't go over too well.

1244
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 8: Though I thought it was great. I didn't it didn't

1245
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 8: go over great. It wasn't you know.

1246
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So I've been to the tunnel during the tunnel

1247
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: period tunnel era. Yeah, so was was it the equivalent

1248
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: of going to the tunnel? Yes, nightclub with big speakers

1249
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: that were yes.

1250
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 8: Just crazy. You imagine they're playing like nobody beats the

1251
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 8: biz like loud loud as ship like a right, it

1252
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 8: was the ship, So.

1253
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 2: There was worth it. So as a woman, as a

1254
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 2: white person, as someone that works at deaf Jam with

1255
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: this this jacket, well, even though you were past deaf Jam,

1256
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: I'm certain that you had some sort of swaggish or

1257
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: about you that let people know that, oh there's faith

1258
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 2: newman from data or whatever. Yeah, yeah, for sure, Like

1259
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 2: that didn't bother you.

1260
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: Like, first of all, how does how does anyone get

1261
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: that close to ll for him to even get his chain? Like,

1262
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: is there not a VP section or you're not even

1263
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: save him VIP.

1264
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 8: I don't think there's was there a VIP section. I

1265
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 8: don't remember him being in a special section. Wow, I

1266
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 8: don't remember that.

1267
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 2: So you just why wait, I would figure that LLLL

1268
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:13,799
Speaker 2: was passed.

1269
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 8: Maybe it's the stuff of the legend. I don't know,

1270
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 8: it's like what eighty six, So yeah, he wouldn't have

1271
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 8: been passed eighty seven, sorry eighty seven, my mistaken eighty seven.

1272
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: He wouldn't have been pasted. Yeah, I don't know. I

1273
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: just imagine like LLLL just being too big or too

1274
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: good for that.

1275
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1276
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 8: But do you go there and you like show up

1277
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 8: and you're like the fucking man, Oh I'm still down? Yeah?

1278
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I see. So even though with Union Square and.

1279
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 8: Any of those, Union Square was the bomb too, but

1280
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 8: you had you know, you had the Bronx and Queens

1281
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 8: like separated by levels.

1282
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what Kidden play around about. That's my

1283
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 2: experience of Union Square. I just know that the Fresh

1284
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 2: Prince and jazz.

1285
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, but there's something to which you just asked faith though,

1286
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 7: because I'm curious, like how you how you were back then,

1287
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 7: because like your ship didn't stink and you were very young.

1288
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 7: You were having parties where Grandma's to flash with DJing

1289
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 7: at your house and stuff like that, So like, how

1290
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 7: was the the ego and the humbleness back then because

1291
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:23,839
Speaker 7: you knew.

1292
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 8: Still, no, it was different, Like I knew that I was,

1293
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 8: but I was stumble at the same time, Like I think,

1294
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 8: uh yeah, I mean I you know, I was one

1295
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 8: of the only you know, I was the only woman

1296
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 8: at deaf Jam at the time.

1297
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 2: That was that was something, you know, so that still

1298
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 2: held weight and honor.

1299
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, But you also mentioned people chasing with their demos,

1300
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: and that's the thing like when Marlon Marl did this

1301
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: episode and I'm like, yo, dude, you're still living in

1302
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: the projects when all these hits are out. How are

1303
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: these people not stalking you to make the stars because

1304
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: normally the people that will stalk you that which is

1305
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: weird hearing that the way that you approached Russell Simmons one,

1306
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: what or who's protecting you from stalkers? Especially with deaf Jam,

1307
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: the label that everyone dreamed of being on, which I'm

1308
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: certain that you guys got way more nos than yes.

1309
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, who did y'all say no to?

1310
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 5: That?

1311
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 6: Is?

1312
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: There is the list of they're not deaf jam material like,

1313
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this is going to.

1314
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,560
Speaker 8: Sound you know they could give me but Vanilla.

1315
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: Ice, Wow, was he close to coming to deaf jam

1316
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 2: or was.

1317
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 8: It like no, it was a demo. It was like

1318
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 8: a just you know, a demo like any other.

1319
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: You would listen to actively listen to demos.

1320
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 7: How long did you listen to his?

1321
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 8: Not very long? They think I was with this guy

1322
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 8: Jorge who came to be known as Curious. It was

1323
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 8: my intern actually jam at the time.

1324
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: The album was Dope, So I like the Conservated one album?

1325
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 5: Did you.

1326
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 3: So?

1327
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: What did? What did you and George say when he.

1328
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 8: Said it was bananas and he threw it in the trash.

1329
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: One of the themes that always comes up during quest

1330
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: Love Supreme is the idea of your heart, uh having

1331
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: good tastes good or bad, versus your brain, which is

1332
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: is this effective or non effective?

1333
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 7: Now?

1334
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: As an employee, are you not thinking I have to

1335
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 1: pick some winners for us to sell versus you wanting

1336
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: just to have this pedigree of great work to be

1337
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:02,799
Speaker 1: on this label.

1338
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 8: So was there pressure to I was a pedigree person.

1339
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 8: I couldn't help it. And as and as the label

1340
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:17,799
Speaker 8: kind of became, you know, distorted by the next you know, decade,

1341
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 8: decade or the next or that that difficult transition period

1342
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 8: you know, in ninety one, it definitely affected me. I

1343
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 8: felt like you know that, I felt that the brand

1344
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 8: had been really compromised. Yes, forever, I mean it came back,

1345
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 8: but at that time it was. It was the reason

1346
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 8: I left.

1347
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: Was there a moment when you're like, oh, this is it,

1348
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 2: I'm done?

1349
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 8: The Don? In there?

1350
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 2: Does anyone remember the Don? I did not remember the

1351
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 2: Dies none, not god father Don. It was he had

1352
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 2: a song called in there? All right? How did the dying?

1353
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 8: Was thee with Ted NuGen on jam? What wasn't deaf Jam?

1354
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 8: It became r A L labels?

1355
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 2: Am I am?

1356
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: I to assume that the reason for the Dons being

1357
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: was to get some tone, look money or yeah, because

1358
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: in there sounded like at least Funky's cousin.

1359
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw it a lot on like video hot track. Yeah,

1360
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 4: especially the box. Yes, that's it's not like col Cisco,

1361
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 4: no bro.

1362
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: So who signed the dome or.

1363
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, totally totally totally forgot to ask you.

1364
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 1: I forgot Leo worked.

1365
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 7: At de Jab, he worked at Rush. We hadn't gotten

1366
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 7: to him yet, right like we're just getting.

1367
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 8: Rush, Yeah, And he just didn't have anything to do

1368
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 8: with the label side until he did so until he did.

1369
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 2: What are you.

1370
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 1: I met older le or nicer to me leor I

1371
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: don't have a leor imitation to give you le or.

1372
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 2: We've heard imitation.

1373
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:16,759
Speaker 8: So he was a different person then.

1374
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: So I could say it wasn't a pleasant experience. Correct

1375
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 2: in hindsight?

1376
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: Do you feel as though he was an effective person

1377
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: to work for? Being as though the heights that def

1378
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: Jam was later going to?

1379
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 2: Do you think def Jam would have naturally gone to

1380
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: the Heights jay z d m X without someone No.

1381
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 8: I credit him. I'm just saying there was at the Helm,

1382
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 8: there was a period in time where it just it

1383
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 8: was really rocky and I had been there almost five

1384
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 8: years at that point, and it was time for me

1385
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 8: to go.

1386
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: Okay, where did you guys say away?

1387
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: What did you guys disagree as far because obviously your

1388
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: exit had to be at a disagreement.

1389
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 8: It was it was, it was. It was one of

1390
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 8: those things where I had been. I was the liaison

1391
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 8: between Deaf Jam and Columbia. So it was always up

1392
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 8: there anyway, went to their A and R meetings, went

1393
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 8: to their you know, retreats that they.

1394
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 2: Had, and so when those guys didn't feel like so

1395
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 2: I was, I was the persons.

1396
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 8: I was a Deaf Jam person at Columbia.

1397
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: Kind of like okay, so you know, like comedians always

1398
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: joke Black comedians will joke like have one white friend

1399
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: on standby because somebody's going to have to talk to

1400
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: the police.

1401
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 8: Right, So you were the I guess whisper yes, put

1402
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 8: a nice face on.

1403
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: All right, So you're the liaisons there and then where

1404
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:47,560
Speaker 2: is it?

1405
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 8: And they always said to me, Donnie would say, if

1406
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 8: you ever want to make a change, you know, come

1407
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 8: work for us.

1408
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 2: Come to death Row.

1409
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then uh, you with your executives throwing sandwiches

1410
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 4: all in the tools dancing, come to Columbia.

1411
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 2: Well that's exactly what you did.

1412
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1413
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: So there that that broke the ca.

1414
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,839
Speaker 8: What Leon and I had had an argument about something.

1415
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 8: He blamed my assistant for losing some ll cool J

1416
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 8: Master tapes or something that she didn't do. It wasn't

1417
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 8: her fault, he insisted I fire her. We had a

1418
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 8: back and forth and I just said I'm done with

1419
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 8: this and I was done. So Sony, Yeah, CBS and

1420
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 8: CBS building. When I first started, they had just done

1421
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 8: the deal with Sony.

1422
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I keep on forgetting and call them CBS first. Yeah,

1423
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: the CBS still a thing now.

1424
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 8: Is it just records now? They got they divested of

1425
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 8: all their okay music.

1426
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 2: So you took Dony's device and went to death Row, came.

1427
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 8: On over, went to the dark side.

1428
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 2: Did you regret it?

1429
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 8: No, not at all. And I thought it was kind

1430
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 8: of interesting because you know, I had interned there, you know,

1431
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 8: years ago, as this intern trying to come up in the.

1432
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 2: World, and there I scourged from coming back, and.

1433
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 8: I was scourged from coming back, and I came back

1434
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 8: as an executive the last twenty five twenty five.

1435
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: You go faith to do it, You go here, that's it,

1436
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: That's that's it's rather tryumphant. Did you have the working

1437
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: girl theme from Carly Simon playing your looking at the

1438
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: skyline of New York?

1439
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 8: Exactly?

1440
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: My coffee month one of the you you signed a

1441
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 2: lot of acts, and one of the acts that I

1442
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 2: was shocked to find out that you signed A favorite

1443
01:18:55,479 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 2: of mine was Jamarqui. Uh what what? First of all,

1444
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 2: what was the first act that you did sign too?

1445
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 8: Nas?

1446
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 2: Even before Ja Maryland?

1447
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 8: It was around kind of around the same time. Actually,

1448
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 8: NAS was like the first act that I was two

1449
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 8: weeks into the job when I signed NABS and that

1450
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 8: was like in a October And in December I signed

1451
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 8: Jamiqui ninety one.

1452
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: Wow, it took three years for that to even What

1453
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: was it about Jamerqui that made you.

1454
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 8: Fly to London the week before Christmas?

1455
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 5: Damn?

1456
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a demo.

1457
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 3: You know.

1458
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 8: They were signed to Acid Jazz in the UK and uh,

1459
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 8: Kieran Hurley from Assid Jazz came to see me. He said,

1460
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 8: I just want you to listen to this. It was

1461
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 8: a demo, you know, cassette demo. One song when you're

1462
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 8: going to learn. Yes, I thought it was a woman singing.

1463
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 8: I couldn't you know exactly, you know who is she?

1464
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 6: She?

1465
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 8: It's a heat and he's white.

1466
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 5: And so so.

1467
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:05,560
Speaker 7: That was it.

1468
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 8: It was the one song and I said, I gotta

1469
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 8: go and I gotta sign this guy. And that's really

1470
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:11,799
Speaker 8: how it happened.

1471
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 2: And to you, like did you expect them to have

1472
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,560
Speaker 2: visions of them blowing up in the States or was

1473
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 2: it just.

1474
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 8: I think I did. I mean, I was so into

1475
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 8: the music I thought for sure that it would it

1476
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 8: would translate.

1477
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: He got them, Jesus Christ.

1478
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 8: Not just not from here.

1479
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 2: He when we when the Roots toured and.

1480
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: You're in Italy and ninety five, I believe uh with Jameroqui,

1481
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 1: there's a drive from one city in Italy to the

1482
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:54,560
Speaker 1: other side of it.

1483
01:20:54,880 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 2: It was like a fourteen hour trek. Jay actually.

1484
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: Purchased uh A Ferrari at the one city we were

1485
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: at and drove behind his tour bus the entire fourteen

1486
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: hour duration.

1487
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 7: That much off of that the album that one Virgil

1488
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 7: one that.

1489
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 8: He was huge.

1490
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: They were huge overseas.

1491
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 4: Wow, So right now that was like that was yeah,

1492
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 4: wowergency Planet Earth was the first one.

1493
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 7: So he's like a Craig David in that way, like

1494
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 7: we might not know, but he is really killing its.

1495
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 8: America was late and they never really got it.

1496
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 2: It's where like j America has like a one hit

1497
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: wonder in America. Yeah, Virginal that guy that slid, I'm

1498
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: like the guy with the hat.

1499
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,480
Speaker 8: The hat I thought the space Cowboy was incredible.

1500
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely shout out to BT for put me onto that video.

1501
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: Vibration well being as though they blew up in your

1502
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: Europe like we was, there was there a separate Uh.

1503
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 2: Would Columbia treat like different divisions different?

1504
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 8: I mean yeah that it was more in the in

1505
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 8: the hands of the International Department than I think they

1506
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 8: knew after the first album that it was a tough

1507
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 8: sell over here, so they didn't have it. They didn't

1508
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 8: have a radio record. That's what I kept hearing. There's

1509
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 8: no radio record, there's no radio record, there's no radio record.

1510
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: Well, shout out to my boy Fred at MTV, Fred Jordan,

1511
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:37,759
Speaker 1: who that was the person that showed us the virtual

1512
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 1: Insanity video.

1513
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 2: But like, how did was that just a stroke of luck?

1514
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 5: That?

1515
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1516
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 2: Well I was.

1517
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 8: I was gone from Colombia.

1518
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 2: Time, I see. So with NAS, what was it that

1519
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 2: told you to was it search or like what was

1520
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 2: the relationship?

1521
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 8: Well? I heard him on the main Source album like

1522
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 8: most people, and uh, and I like lost my mind.

1523
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 8: I said, I gotta find this kid. And I was

1524
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 8: already working. I was still working at Deaf Jam at

1525
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 8: the time, and so I asked Polly, you know a

1526
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 8: large professor, what's up with this kid Nasty Nas? You know,

1527
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 8: can I meet him?

1528
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 5: You know?

1529
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 8: And he was kind of pushing me on signing Acinelly

1530
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 8: and not Nas, you know. So so that was kind

1531
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 8: of like a tail end of my time at Deaf Jam.

1532
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 8: I took a month off before I started at Columbia,

1533
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 8: and apparently in that time, from what Nas tells me,

1534
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 8: he went up to Deaf Jam with large professor to

1535
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:56,759
Speaker 8: find me specifically, I was already gone, and so this happened.

1536
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 8: And then I, you know, I was at Columbia, was

1537
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 8: two weeks in and Search came to my office and

1538
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 8: because he knew that I was trying to find now

1539
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 8: I was wanted this kid, and he said, I have

1540
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 8: his demo and played it for me two songs, and

1541
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 8: I went down the hall to the head of the

1542
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 8: ANR department, said, you know, you have to let me

1543
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 8: sign this kid. You don't have to let me sign

1544
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 8: anything else the entire time I'm here. You have to

1545
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 8: let me sign this kid.

1546
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 2: Was it that hard of a sell though, Yeah, to the.

1547
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 8: Corporate people that Columbia.

1548
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: I mean it was Columbia didn't really have much of

1549
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: a hip hop department.

1550
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 8: That was why they hired me.

1551
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 2: See Music Vietnam Freedom William solo album.

1552
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1553
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're saying that it was a hard cell

1554
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 2: to even get NAS.

1555
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well but it wasn't. It wasn't because part of

1556
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 8: the reason they hired me was they wanted their own

1557
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 8: rap division because they had def Jam, they had So

1558
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 8: So Deaf, but they didn't want that. They wanted all

1559
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 8: they wanted to have their own. They didn't want to

1560
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 8: they didn't want to share with anybody.

1561
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 2: But as as as wait, so is Michael was he

1562
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 2: there at that point?

1563
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 8: Not yet?

1564
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 4: So okay, I would think that as a label, having uh,

1565
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 4: these sub labels would satisfy that itch.

1566
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 2: So if you're Donnie and your your your Tommy, uh,

1567
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 2: I would just think, like, oh, matter of fact, was

1568
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 2: it NAS initially on rough House or is that.

1569
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 8: Just having this moment of oh no, nobody's going to

1570
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 8: know what to do with this record. Let's just put

1571
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 8: it out on rough House. At least we'll get, you know,

1572
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 8: the right marketing people and the right promotion people, because

1573
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 8: they wanted me to have this divis, but I didn't

1574
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 8: have There wasn't really anybody in the house right yet,

1575
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 8: no staff, no right so I said, let's put it

1576
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 8: out through rough House.

1577
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 2: What did you imagine or hope for with this record?

1578
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: Because for Yeah, I think the idea of Illmatic and

1579
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: even the process of it became bigger than.

1580
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 8: Yeah the more as time went on. It's like it,

1581
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 8: you know, came just like these mythic proportions.

1582
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 2: Well what I didn't know.

1583
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: The thing that makes Illmatic so special, or at least

1584
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: what made it such a game changer that people rarely

1585
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: discuss is the fact that this will mark the first

1586
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 1: time that multiple producers will handle a hip hop album.

1587
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: Whereas the status quo was like one producer sees the

1588
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: whole project through. Did his idea seem as radical to

1589
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: you at the time to not let one person produce

1590
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: the entire record?

1591
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 8: No, it felt really natural actually, but it's never happened before, right.

1592
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 8: It just because all of these people wanted to work

1593
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 8: with him, So it only made sense that everybody who

1594
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 8: wanted to work with him, all these great producers got

1595
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 8: an opportunity to be a part of the project.

1596
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: Who was lining up Because first of all, it's ten

1597
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: songs on the record, really nine.

1598
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 8: Poten it was supposed to be twelve.

1599
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, like who got rejected.

1600
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 8: It's not a question of rejected. The album was so

1601
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 8: heavily bootlegged and so ubiquitous everywhere, I mean overseas. I

1602
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 8: mean everybody had a copy of that album that we

1603
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 8: had to rush it out before it was ready, and

1604
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:51,799
Speaker 8: that's why there's only nine songs.

1605
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 4: Really, So you just I see, yeah, I read you

1606
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 4: said they were cutting more records as the joint came out,

1607
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 4: working on most stuff.

1608
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 8: Yep, it just wasn't enough time. There would have been

1609
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 8: another premier cut for sure.

1610
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: So in a perfect world, you would have made it

1611
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: a traditional hip hop record of the time, which in

1612
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: ninety four, I mean hip hop records were still like

1613
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: sixteen to eighteen songs.

1614
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 2: Were getting with skits and all that shit.

1615
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1616
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, who's the first, We'll say, Public Enemy was.

1617
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: I think Nation Millions was the first single record.

1618
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 2: That had like double album status.

1619
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: Well definitely one of the first album with interludes on it,

1620
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: so yeah, with sixteen songs on it. So that's the

1621
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: thing that struck me about this record, that it was

1622
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: that made it different to me, because like most classic records,

1623
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 1: in the mind of the music consumer, like Stevie Wonders

1624
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: in a Visions or thriller or whatever, like all those

1625
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: albums clock in at thirty to thirty three minutes and

1626
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 1: then you're out.

1627
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 2: So you know you were fine with that, just.

1628
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 8: We were perfect? Yeah?

1629
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 2: Was he fine with that?

1630
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 8: Yeah? I think he wanted it done and out too, Okay, So.

1631
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 2: I mean was it smooth?

1632
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 6: Like?

1633
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 2: Why did it take two years to make?

1634
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 8: And he just well he had his friend?

1635
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 2: Was it an easy record to make? That's what it was.

1636
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 7: No, it was a.

1637
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 8: Difficult record to make. How well he had his friend

1638
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 8: pass away, so that you know, that was tough. And

1639
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:41,799
Speaker 8: then he just wasn't Sometimes he showed up to the studio,

1640
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 8: and sometimes you didn't show up to the studio. You

1641
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 8: kind of never knew what you were going to get.

1642
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 8: Sometimes he was feeling it and he'd write, and sometimes

1643
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 8: he wasn't feeling it and he'd go home or wherever.

1644
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,879
Speaker 8: It's just it was just long, long, long process.

1645
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: Who who Who was the person that had the choke

1646
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: hold of I mean, I know, like with having worked

1647
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: with mcs, like you can't if you force them, you

1648
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 1: will traumatize them into permanent writer's block. So this could

1649
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: have easily been a j Electronica situation.

1650
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 8: It could have been easily.

1651
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: So how are you like, who's the designated person that

1652
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: was there to kind of take them out of that?

1653
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 8: You know, I don't know. I think we kind of

1654
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 8: eat with Search and me and you know, obviously the

1655
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 8: people at the label who didn't know what was going

1656
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 8: on and until they told me to drop him, which

1657
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 8: happened twice. Yeah, two years. Yeah, Yeah, I was wondering

1658
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 8: how she could hold on. It was, uh, well, one

1659
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 8: was because of a gun thing that.

1660
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 2: Did they know that that was just going to be

1661
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:02,759
Speaker 2: you know as a rappers and gun, Yeah that's standard.

1662
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, at the time, it wasn't so standard. And they

1663
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 8: wanted me to do They wanted to drop him, and

1664
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 8: I had to make the case fight for him.

1665
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 7: And yeah, because him in Jungle or so opposite too,

1666
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:21,560
Speaker 7: because I always wondered, like was he always on the

1667
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 7: edge of situation because of his brother.

1668
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 8: Jungle was the one with the gun. So there you go.

1669
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 8: Which is a funny story actually because they had a show.

1670
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 8: His first show in New York was at a club

1671
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 8: called Mewse and we sent a car service to pick

1672
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 8: them up in Queensbridge. It doesn't end well and uh,

1673
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 8: Jungle had a gun on him. You know, this is

1674
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 8: after the thing with with Will had happened. And you know,

1675
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 8: and Uh, I always thought up until Rock the Bells

1676
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 8: three years ago, that the gun fell out of his pocket.

1677
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 8: But Jungle told me what had happened was he asked

1678
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 8: the driver to hold it for him while they were

1679
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 8: in the club. Okay, so the driver took it to

1680
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:12,719
Speaker 8: the police.

1681
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, snitching ass. I just want you to

1682
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 2: hold his cocaine while I did my set. That's all

1683
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 2: I did. So when the show's over.

1684
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 8: So the show's over, no car, no gun, Jungle starts

1685
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 8: calling the car company and threatening their lives. And Jungle,

1686
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 8: oh Jungle, Jabari.

1687
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 1: Did you as as someone from North Carolina or you

1688
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: Bill and someone from Indiana?

1689
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 2: Did you have nas expectations? None? Because I'll be honest

1690
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 2: with you, Nas.

1691
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember I went to Hell for at the

1692
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: age of twelve, went to Hell for Jesus Fort and

1693
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Jesus I remember the line.

1694
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 2: But I never had a yo. I cannot wait for

1695
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 2: that move.

1696
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 8: Like even after halftime, halftime, I.

1697
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 2: Never liked that. I didn't like halftime.

1698
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:29,600
Speaker 4: I worked at rough House, Oh okay, I worked at

1699
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 4: rough House, and I was just like, it's cool.

1700
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1701
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 4: I didn't really get NAS until it ain't hard to tell.

1702
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 4: When I heard that, I was like, Okay, this is dope, but.

1703
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 2: It was humang. Even then I was like, Okay, this

1704
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 2: is clever.

1705
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: But then but when I saw that, when I saw

1706
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: that Gang Star issue of the Source and saw that

1707
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: it got five mics, then I was like, holy shit,

1708
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: and like We're in the middle of making do you

1709
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 1: want more? And I'm reading this five mic review, man,

1710
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 1: and I'm just like like, oh God, like.

1711
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 2: There's I don't know.

1712
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 1: I just I read the review first, even before I

1713
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 1: heard the records, and by that point, anything that the

1714
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: source could have told me be incredible or not credible,

1715
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 1: that was you held it as in, you know, And

1716
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 1: I just felt like the way they worded it was

1717
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: like this is the new standard of the gold standard

1718
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I just felt like, yo, I got

1719
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 1: to the train platform too late, and this is now,

1720
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: this is the new standard.

1721
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 2: Whatever this album is.

1722
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: And so I think Tariq was like, yeah, you know,

1723
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 1: I got to copy that tape and then he went

1724
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: in his bag and had like.

1725
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 2: And and played it, and I was just confused, like

1726
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,879
Speaker 2: I was told Illmatic is classic.

1727
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 4: You never got to make it a classic on your own,

1728
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 4: like it never you never got to do it on

1729
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 4: your on your own merits.

1730
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 2: It was just told to you. Like the Chronic again,

1731
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 2: I was told it was classic. Now I see the

1732
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 2: Chronic was different for me.

1733
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 4: Was different because I got in on the Chronic early,

1734
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 4: Like I saw the g Thing video and was just like, whatever,

1735
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,640
Speaker 4: it's cool. And but then I saw the covers like

1736
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 4: Doctor Dre the Chronic. I was like, Drake got an album,

1737
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 4: I'll buy it. And the Chronic was a slow burn

1738
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 4: like it was. I hated it when I bought it

1739
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 4: and I listened to it and I was like, all right,

1740
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 4: this is cool. And then I remember a couple of

1741
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 4: months later that ship was fucking everywhere, ready to die.

1742
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 2: Was like that for me, too.

1743
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 4: Ready to do I loved. I was like, all right,

1744
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 4: this is dope. And then it wasn't till the next

1745
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 4: time and then they were told you were told it

1746
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 4: was classic, but it became. But I got a chance

1747
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 4: to view it for myself, I think, but it was matic.

1748
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 4: I didn't really because like you, like, I remember this

1749
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 4: when the review came out, and.

1750
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 2: Like I said, I wasn't big on halftime. It ain't

1751
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 2: hard to tell.

1752
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 4: I liked and then I saw the review and I

1753
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 4: was like, damn, like he got like that was and

1754
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:04,640
Speaker 4: the source and that sound like that was vible.

1755
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 2: And I didn't even think like, oh, that's political or favor. Yeah,

1756
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't that. It wasn't that start man.

1757
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 4: And so then the record came out and I remember

1758
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 4: getting it and one of the things that really struck

1759
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:17,600
Speaker 4: me about it was, you know, I maybe it was

1760
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 4: just you know, chance or divine to mention whatever. It

1761
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 4: was only ten songs, which was unheard of for a

1762
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 4: hip hop record, and so for me, I went to

1763
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 4: the mindset, I'm like, yo, if this motherfucker got balls

1764
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 4: enough to just do ten songs, like, to me, that

1765
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 4: in itself was a statement, like for you to just

1766
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 4: say fuck all these skits and shout out to this

1767
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 4: dude that ten songs, fuck it, this is what it

1768
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 4: is like that to me was like, Okay, he got

1769
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 4: some shit. And so then I listened to it, and yeah,

1770
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 4: I was like all right.

1771
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never and I want to go on the record.

1772
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 2: I never like dispute it if it was a classic

1773
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 2: or not. But it's just the way that it was.

1774
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting it that and that was my whole point,

1775
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have any absolutely right.

1776
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 2: I just woke up one.

1777
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Day saw the Gang Star issue and thought, okay, let

1778
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: me see what they reviewed.

1779
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 2: Did the Columbia people, did they know the like the

1780
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 2: gravity of what five mics menu at the time? Did

1781
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:14,560
Speaker 2: they get that?

1782
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 8: Yeah? They got that?

1783
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:19,560
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Okay, did that change anything in terms of

1784
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 4: how he was treated at the label or like more

1785
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 4: marketing dollars to him anything?

1786
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1787
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 8: It did, it did. It's still only you know we

1788
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 8: the album was so bootlegged. We came out sold what

1789
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 8: seventy thousand first week back then? That's no, yeah, first

1790
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 8: week it was something.

1791
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: No, I mean we didn't sell shit.

1792
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 7: And we did like we we said, you had already

1793
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 7: had the bootleg copy of the NAS record and that

1794
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 7: was probably half the problem everybody had had.

1795
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 2: But we brought it again.

1796
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, you did you like Money from the Sky.

1797
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 3: I'm just saying like you did, but not a lot

1798
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 3: of people, Like I got a full of taste that

1799
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 3: I dubbed off of people that I still haven't bought

1800
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 3: through it. But I feel like eighty thousand in the

1801
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,480
Speaker 3: first week is like twenty.

1802
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 4: Sixteen numbers you got to in twenty sixteen US and

1803
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 4: NAS did eighty thousand in his first week.

1804
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: He would instantly got dropped from Columbia. I felt like

1805
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 1: you at least had to do one hundred thousand something.

1806
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 2: You're saying seventy wow, what was it? Oh? It matter?

1807
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 4: At least April nineteen ninety four has seen an eight

1808
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 4: hundred and forty four percent increasing sales. In nineteen ninety four,

1809
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 4: the album sold fourteen thousand, nine hundred and eighty seven

1810
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 4: copies during this first week.

1811
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 8: Oh I'm all right.

1812
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 4: As of today, OMDIC has sold one point six million,

1813
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 4: fourteen thousand.

1814
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 2: Thank you Jesus Christ. Well, I thought it was more

1815
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 2: than that. That was under your projections.

1816
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 8: Shit, that was that was my that's me right there.

1817
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 2: Okay, so first week, what are you saying.

1818
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 4: Let's put it in a ninety four context, at least

1819
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 4: to my knowledge and correct me if I'm wrong.

1820
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 2: In his faith first week numbers? Was that really a thing?

1821
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 2: Like it was like it became later on, like it

1822
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 2: wasn't just like your first week.

1823
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 8: No, it was a thing. Those were the days when

1824
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 8: you know, like Garth Brooks or whoever was doing like

1825
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 8: a million first week?

1826
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, gotcha, gotcha? Yeah, post sound Skin, Yeah, post

1827
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 4: nine after Life. You read that fourteen thousand, that's what

1828
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,719
Speaker 4: it says, fourteen seven according to the internet.

1829
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 2: It must be true. That's from the story.

1830
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 8: I remember. That's not what I remember, but.

1831
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 2: That's from the story. Yeah, I mean, I mean it

1832
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 2: could be wrong.

1833
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,759
Speaker 4: I mean, it's the great Winston Churchill said, never believe

1834
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 4: everything you read on the internet.

1835
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 7: Here.

1836
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 2: So were you at hip Hop's you know?

1837
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 5: Ju?

1838
01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 8: Yes, I was there.

1839
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 2: What section were you sitting in?

1840
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 8: Were you on down the middle?

1841
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 2: Oh, you're in the middle on the on.

1842
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: The west coast side. The middle road was all west

1843
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: coast and down south.

1844
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 8: Then I was if you're facing the stage the far left,

1845
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 8: I'm facing the stage then I'm on the left, all right, So.

1846
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: The the the the halves, the uh winning New York side.

1847
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:30,679
Speaker 1: Nas is sitting three rows ahead of me on the far.

1848
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 2: Right side. And I watched his whole body language, that

1849
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 2: his whole body language that night, the transition from nasty

1850
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 2: Nascar dog. I watched he came in.

1851
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 1: And it's weird because only maybe two years ago either

1852
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: him or Stout told of the story of that Tommy

1853
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: Hill figure shirt that Nas had on.

1854
01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 2: That was the first oddest thing.

1855
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: First of all, it was like, well, there's like the

1856
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 1: fashionista of the roots, so he knew that was the

1857
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 1: out of season He'll figure shirt for some reason, like

1858
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: not like he said like, oh that that's not off

1859
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: the wreck, but when you go to the outlet store,

1860
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's outlet last season. But the shirt was

1861
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 1: way too big for Nas. It was like he was

1862
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,960
Speaker 1: wearing an imagine like your son wearing.

1863
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 2: Wearing one of my double right.

1864
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:31,400
Speaker 1: It was just a very unusual looking Tommy Hill figure shirt.

1865
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 1: And he came in kind of really you know, proud everything.

1866
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 1: It was the top of the show and you know,

1867
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 1: all the drama, the heat was on Diddy, which shook

1868
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 1: Knight and the whole you know, come to death row

1869
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:48,680
Speaker 1: and all in the video all that stuff, and you know,

1870
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 1: bit by bit, Big kept winning all of the awards

1871
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 1: and like by the time the third by the time

1872
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 1: the third nomination was, which I guess was like Lyricists

1873
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: of the Year or whatever. Yo, his body language just

1874
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 1: like he curled up in the most depressed sitting.

1875
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 2: Light bass bell right now. Yeah, it was purpose. It

1876
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 2: was a slouch. I'll never forget watch. And I looked

1877
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 2: and me and Ree looked at each other like, yo,

1878
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:27,640
Speaker 2: he's never going to be the same again. Like and

1879
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 2: he wasn't.

1880
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 1: And he admitted that that night affected him. Like did

1881
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 1: that affect you or did at that time? Did you

1882
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 1: just think, ah, whatever, it's the source?

1883
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 7: No.

1884
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 8: I thought everything changed for hip hop that night. Everything

1885
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:47,720
Speaker 8: scare the shit out of me. Yeah, I like it,

1886
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:50,680
Speaker 8: felt it got it took a turn like towards each

1887
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 8: looked towards the dark, Yeah, the dark side, and and

1888
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 8: you just knew it was going to end badly for

1889
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,000
Speaker 8: a lot of people. I felt that very much.

1890
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 2: So were you around for it was written or did

1891
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 2: you leave?

1892
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 8: I left for Jive. I had disagreements with Nas and

1893
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 8: with Stout over the direction of the album.

1894
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: So were you there at least for the beginning of

1895
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 1: it was written? So in your mind it was like,

1896
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 1: let's keep our eyes on the fries.

1897
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 8: And I told Nas, I remember saying this to him,

1898
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 8: you know, if you keep doing exactly what you're doing

1899
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 8: ten years, you're going to be, you know, legendary. I

1900
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 8: remember ten years feeling like a lot of time back then,

1901
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 8: and you know, just be true to yourself, Just be

1902
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 8: true to yourself.

1903
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 2: And but he was, He's like, I want it now,

1904
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 2: he's going on. What was your conversation with him after

1905
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 2: the source of wards.

1906
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:51,599
Speaker 8: That conversation? So what was he feeling that he had

1907
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 8: been cheated somehow, that he had been overlooked, that he

1908
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 8: made this incredible piece of art and people are giving

1909
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:03,360
Speaker 8: him the credit that he deserved.

1910
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Biggie is Biggie.

1911
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 8: He mentioned Biggie, Biggie Biggie.

1912
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so its right. So how how early into the

1913
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 2: first or second quarter did you leave? It was written

1914
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 2: very early.

1915
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 8: So I left Columbia in say, October ninety six.

1916
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 2: Okay, what wait a minute, but it was out by then.

1917
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,120
Speaker 8: I had removed myself from the process.

1918
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 7: I was.

1919
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 8: The label. It hurt my soul.

1920
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

1921
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 1: Okay again, but here's another, here's another he love situation. Now,

1922
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 1: whatever your feelings is about, if I ruled the.

1923
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 8: World, I wrote the chorus for for fucking Lauren Hill

1924
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 8: by the way, wow, or rather I told her what

1925
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 8: to say.

1926
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 2: You approved of that?

1927
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 8: At least I was up to that point, yes, And

1928
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 8: then it became again an untenable situation because of Stout

1929
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 8: and myself. So mmmm, okay, I couldn't, you know, do

1930
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 8: what Stout did for nos That just wasn't you know,

1931
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 8: it's not what I doot.

1932
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 2: He Stout ones trying to argue me.

1933
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 1: Stout came to like a voodoo session once we were

1934
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 1: thinking of getting nads on.

1935
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 2: No chicken grease, No, what were we calling it on?

1936
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 7: No?

1937
01:45:51,439 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 2: In my mind? In my mind, yo, son, will we all? Yeah? Nah,

1938
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:07,639
Speaker 2: it makes no sense queens QB. No, it wasn't ghetto children.

1939
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 7: It was.

1940
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,200
Speaker 1: Wait, stop naming songs. I can figure out the day,

1941
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: all right. So we did a joining based on uh

1942
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 1: lots of loving the Ohio players Westbound. Yeah, like it

1943
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 1: was something based off of that. And Stout came by

1944
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 1: and we happened to be talking about it was written,

1945
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: and I guess he just automatically assumed that we were

1946
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 1: all aboard for it because it was winning and it

1947
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 1: was doing exactly what Na's.

1948
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 2: Hope it would do as far as cells and winning,

1949
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 2: and me and D were kind of lukewarm to it, and.

1950
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Stout had mentioned that, yeah, man, remember we was trying

1951
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: to get you for Little Black Girl loss and uh

1952
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 1: and I mean the mistake of ooh, I said, oh

1953
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 1: really like it was kind of like, oh, you guys

1954
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 1: a bullet on that one.

1955
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 2: Really really not knowing who or what Steve Stout represented.

1956
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 1: I just thought he was just a guy that was

1957
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: opinionated about hip hop and was just hanging around in

1958
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 1: the studio.

1959
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was like NAS's guy. And I

1960
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's a Little Black Girl Lost on

1961
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:23,560
Speaker 2: that one. You said, what you don't like that?

1962
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:28,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, no, like I hated Little

1963
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:32,719
Speaker 1: Black Girl Lost or the narrative was cool, but again.

1964
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 2: It was just like it was an old Yeah, the

1965
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 2: Stephanie Mills loop was it was the track master's formula

1966
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 2: that I didn't like at the time.

1967
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 4: And just for me with the NAS stuff, particularly with

1968
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 4: that album too, it was wit and dropping on the

1969
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,679
Speaker 4: same day as Stakes as High. It's just like, man,

1970
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:53,280
Speaker 4: come like there was that was the first time you

1971
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 4: could really see like an A and B kind of choice,

1972
01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Boss.

1973
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 3: It's just pitting it Daylight ninety six versus NAS in

1974
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 3: ninety six.

1975
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't pitting them against each other.

1976
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 4: I was just saying like, at that point that was

1977
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 4: when there came a clear like a path in terms

1978
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 4: of sounds. So it's like if you got into if

1979
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 4: you were it was written fan, then that was when

1980
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:22,679
Speaker 4: you went more to like you know, Biggie Track Masses

1981
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 4: and Biggie and the Bad Boys stuff going on.

1982
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 2: It was straight up a parts.

1983
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 4: If you went into Stakes is High, that was how

1984
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 4: you got into Dyla, and that was how you got

1985
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 4: into like all the kind of left field underground, these

1986
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 4: kind of shit. You know what I'm saying you the

1987
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 4: hip hop psyche era of music, you know what I mean,

1988
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 4: Sandbox automatic, Yeah, this, Oh my god, I don't know.

1989
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't.

1990
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but I wouldn't wish Illmatic

1991
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 1: or Nas again if you were able.

1992
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,799
Speaker 2: To do a redo. Does that sound crazy?

1993
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 6: You know?

1994
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:04,960
Speaker 2: I just feel like, is it a burden? Like, do

1995
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 2: you know if it's a burden on him?

1996
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 5: It is?

1997
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:09,720
Speaker 8: I think it is.

1998
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 2: Does he realize the pressure? Like, well, I wouldn't wish

1999
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 2: that on him because it's I don't know, it's not.

2000
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 4: It was like I mean to me, ill Maadic as

2001
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:23,640
Speaker 4: great as it was, like it was, it is, by

2002
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 4: the way, always smart enough is still a thing to me.

2003
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 2: I always looked at it.

2004
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 4: It's like like NAS was like the m Night Shyamalana Phipop.

2005
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, it's like no, seriously, I mean like

2006
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 4: real and I'm a NAS fan, like not do NAS's

2007
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 4: is God legally, but it was like ill Maadic was

2008
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 4: the sixth sense it was written, was unbreakable.

2009
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 2: It's like everything else was everything else?

2010
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:53,839
Speaker 1: Or are you sick of hearing people debate about Illmatic?

2011
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:55,600
Speaker 1: Like you created this monster.

2012
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 2: That I would never personally, I wouldn't be I'm not.

2013
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:02,600
Speaker 8: I mean, it's still relevant. That's the thing. It's you

2014
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 8: know here it is twenty two years later and we're

2015
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:05,760
Speaker 8: still talking about it.

2016
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: I just think the idea of Illmatic is our idea

2017
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: and our I think we're just crying for a period.

2018
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:17,840
Speaker 2: In hip hop that it's just it's gone.

2019
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:18,639
Speaker 8: It's gone.

2020
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:22,920
Speaker 3: Man, you're basically like I am with the Childish Gambino

2021
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 3: record I never heard. I'm basically you basically say I'm

2022
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:28,799
Speaker 3: I'm pining for something that doesn't exist anymore.

2023
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 2: And that's why I don't like it. Never heard it?

2024
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:35,559
Speaker 2: If you're just tuning in. Our guest is Faith Newman.

2025
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 1: She famously worked as an an r rep at Columbia

2026
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 1: and def Jam back in the early days of hip

2027
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 1: hop and now works at Reservoir Faith.

2028
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 7: Where does your hip hop days land these days?

2029
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 2: Well?

2030
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:53,599
Speaker 4: Shit, you signed Joey Joey Badass, Joey Badass and yeah,

2031
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 4: like yeah, so you still try to.

2032
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 2: So when you went to jive? What period was this? Oh?

2033
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 8: This was the Blingy era. This was ninety seven to

2034
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 8: two thousand UGK stories? You GK stories? I got them?

2035
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 2: Man listening, Yeah, we're listening.

2036
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:22,840
Speaker 8: Okay, Well they couldn't get them to turn into the album.

2037
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:25,280
Speaker 8: So Barry Whyse says you need to go to Houston

2038
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:28,719
Speaker 8: and come back with the album. You have one mission

2039
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 8: and that is to go to Houston, get the album

2040
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 8: and come back.

2041
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 2: And what album was this? Was this ninety seven? That

2042
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 2: was It wasn't Ryan Dirty, it was.

2043
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 7: No, it was.

2044
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 8: Oh god, what was their third album? Well, I mean

2045
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:44,439
Speaker 8: I didn't come back with the ps is that I

2046
01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 8: didn't come back with the album. So that would explain

2047
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 8: why the important part.

2048
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 2: Of the story.

2049
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm shocked that Weiss would even care, not care,

2050
01:51:57,800 --> 01:51:58,599
Speaker 1: but I mean they.

2051
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 8: Were signing his label, weren't they, And the and the

2052
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 8: the other reason he cared was that Jay Prince was

2053
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 8: trying to steal them away from Jive. Yeah, to wrap

2054
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,040
Speaker 8: a lot and in fact, I was the hotel that

2055
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:17,600
Speaker 8: I was staying at. He sent somebody to sit in

2056
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:19,600
Speaker 8: the parking lot of the hotel the entire time I

2057
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:20,000
Speaker 8: was there.

2058
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why.

2059
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 8: Some intimidation thing, I don't know, just to let me

2060
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 8: know that they know that I'm there. So Chad PMSY says,

2061
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 8: want to take me to dinner with his mom.

2062
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 2: Mama wes you know who she recently did?

2063
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 8: She Yeah, to a very nice place which was this

2064
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:48,840
Speaker 8: kind of you know, basic steakhouse or whatever, and that

2065
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 8: was fun. And then they had a show to do

2066
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 8: that night. I don't know if it was in the

2067
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 8: Fifth Ward, but it was somewhere not not good. So

2068
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 8: so he's driving to the show and I'm in the

2069
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 8: car with him and he's he's smoking the entire time

2070
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:09,840
Speaker 8: that he's driving, and I got this crazy contact high

2071
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:12,960
Speaker 8: and he says, hold on, I got to pull over

2072
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 8: to this place. And we pull over and it's like

2073
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:16,600
Speaker 8: one of those adult emporiums.

2074
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I'm listening.

2075
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 8: I still to this day, I have no idea what

2076
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 8: he went in there for it just kind of went

2077
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:24,760
Speaker 8: in and.

2078
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta make a stop.

2079
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:31,719
Speaker 8: And then uh, and then we went to the show

2080
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 8: and I got my own bodyguard with a rifle.

2081
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 5: Wow.

2082
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:40,920
Speaker 8: And and Jay Prince was in the audience surrounded by

2083
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 8: all these like his whole crew.

2084
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

2085
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 8: It's just a little, little, adding little story.

2086
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:49,000
Speaker 7: But it didn't shake you.

2087
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:51,600
Speaker 8: No, no, nothing really ever shake me.

2088
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 1: See, you thought you were going there to Anara beats

2089
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:55,639
Speaker 1: rhymes in life and right.

2090
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:03,280
Speaker 2: You gk trailing? What was the what was the the

2091
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:05,040
Speaker 2: too short? Like we had to bail to shut out.

2092
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 8: It was just a weird thing. He was stopped in

2093
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,800
Speaker 8: Times Square smoking weed in the truck.

2094
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 2: Who hasn't been What was your tenure? What what period

2095
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:16,759
Speaker 2: were you there.

2096
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 8: At ninety seven to two thousand?

2097
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:27,720
Speaker 2: Ah, you were there for love movements? What we say moment? Wow,

2098
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:36,320
Speaker 2: something real curious. I think the uh.

2099
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:42,480
Speaker 1: I think bum Bee told a story about Pimpsy's uh

2100
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:50,720
Speaker 1: reluctant to jay Z big pimping, Big Pimper, and I

2101
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 1: just remembered not liking the story because I felt like

2102
01:54:54,120 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 1: just the bottom line was clearly Pimpsy was struggling or

2103
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 1: having conflict of success, which most people have conflict of

2104
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 1: success because it's it's easy to obtain success, it's harder

2105
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:19,440
Speaker 1: to keep keep it going consistently. And it's like clearly

2106
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 1: in the narrative of Bumbee, like Pimpse was absolutely trying

2107
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 1: his hardest to sabotage this big pimpin Ca cameo.

2108
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 4: He's like, well, I'm only going to do eight bars

2109
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 4: and he didn't show up at this time and didn't

2110
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 4: show up and he's not in the video and.

2111
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 2: They had to they had to fly crew down to

2112
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:42,800
Speaker 2: shoot him in Houston.

2113
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 1: That was the only way he would do it right,

2114
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:48,120
Speaker 1: And it's just like why now, I No, he was like,

2115
01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, hanging on to the credibility and all that stuff.

2116
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:58,000
Speaker 1: But it's like, like, word, I mean, could could Utk's

2117
01:55:58,240 --> 01:56:05,520
Speaker 1: appeal have really gone to a national level without the

2118
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:11,240
Speaker 1: aid of jay Z an Outcast had? I mean, I know,

2119
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 1: in hindsight, it's like, Okay, well, of course that they

2120
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:15,400
Speaker 1: put the work in and you know, apply.

2121
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 2: That Nah, you need that thing, I think, But did.

2122
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 1: You feel But did you feel as though even before

2123
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:26,560
Speaker 1: Big pimpod in, before Outcast comes aboard like that, they

2124
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:27,360
Speaker 1: could have been.

2125
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:31,840
Speaker 2: Bigger and you know, a household name.

2126
01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 8: A household name. I don't think so.

2127
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 4: Really, really, I can't see pimp seed in a household

2128
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 4: name that just came, you know.

2129
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:42,320
Speaker 3: Like I think they might have found some level of

2130
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:45,400
Speaker 3: success after the success of like No Limit in cash

2131
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 3: money making southern hip hop, you know, more of a

2132
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,520
Speaker 3: less of a regional thing. I think it would eventually

2133
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:54,880
Speaker 3: got into UGK like it eventually did. Had they hung

2134
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 3: on and just I don't know if it would have

2135
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:58,480
Speaker 3: gotten to the level that it got to.

2136
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:01,080
Speaker 2: But now they needed I think they needed like definitely

2137
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 2: big pimping that I mean that open, No, they needed it.

2138
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 8: They would have had to have a couple more of those,

2139
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 8: I think, But I.

2140
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:13,320
Speaker 1: Mean it could have at least with the momentum that

2141
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 1: big Pimping brought them, Like could they have you know,

2142
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:21,120
Speaker 1: it was very least feeling like, Okay, we're in a

2143
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 1: role here, we can now cashing and.

2144
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 8: And if they could get them to turn in the record,

2145
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 8: I mean that was.

2146
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 2: What else did you work on it? Jeff?

2147
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 8: I worked on the Tupac album Oh Are You Still Down?

2148
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:44,000
Speaker 8: Still Down? Like a hundred songs on there.

2149
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 2: When I Get Free? How did you guys get access

2150
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:50,040
Speaker 2: to those songs?

2151
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 8: It was a it was a it was a return

2152
01:57:53,080 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 8: favor for something that Interscope did with just put out

2153
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:04,880
Speaker 8: a jive release or a jive artist that I, for

2154
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,480
Speaker 8: whatever reason I cannot remember right now. So in return,

2155
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:11,160
Speaker 8: we will give you, We'll give you, We'll give you

2156
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:12,840
Speaker 8: one album of Tupac music.

2157
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 2: Wow, it's like sports straight trading Man.

2158
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 4: That wasn't a bad album though, I remember, I mean

2159
01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:22,200
Speaker 4: because a lot of the cameo joined. H.

2160
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was also shocking Carlin soul shot and calling.

2161
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 2: I wasn't mad at that, really, that was so shocking. Colin.

2162
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 2: Didn't I do Tracy Spencer? Tracy Spencer? Where the hell

2163
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:37,480
Speaker 2: is Tracy Spencer? Didn't she marry one of them?

2164
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:40,200
Speaker 7: She's a doctor or something. I thought, Tracy Spencer.

2165
01:58:40,040 --> 01:58:44,720
Speaker 2: You know if someone can. I'm just did you not

2166
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:48,280
Speaker 2: get paid for the remix? Yeah? I got paid for it,

2167
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:50,680
Speaker 2: but I never met Tracy Spencer.

2168
01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:52,600
Speaker 7: She was my idol when I was a little girl.

2169
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:54,960
Speaker 7: Hide and Seek a mad did John Lennon, I'm sorry

2170
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 7: she did. Imagine she killed it like she did?

2171
01:58:58,280 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 2: Agree with you?

2172
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:03,160
Speaker 3: Okay, So Faith, I have a question that actually should

2173
01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 3: have asked way, way, way a long time ago. What

2174
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 3: exactly does an A and R person do?

2175
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:15,440
Speaker 8: Oh well, there's different things. I Mean, the first thing

2176
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:17,560
Speaker 8: the A and OUR person does is bring in the talent,

2177
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:19,840
Speaker 8: is scout the talent and bring it into the label,

2178
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:26,440
Speaker 8: and then shepherd it through the recording process. And it

2179
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:29,320
Speaker 8: doesn't really end there, you know, you don't just kind

2180
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:31,360
Speaker 8: of finish a record with somebody and you hand it

2181
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:33,600
Speaker 8: over to marketing or you hand it over to promotion.

2182
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 8: You kind of you see it through the whole way

2183
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:38,440
Speaker 8: because you know the vision and you know the sound,

2184
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 8: and you know you know where it should be going.

2185
01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 8: So that used to be what A and R people did.

2186
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was I was going to ask you, how

2187
01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:49,800
Speaker 2: has it changed in the from when you started doing

2188
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:50,240
Speaker 2: it to now?

2189
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, you know, I don't know what it's like

2190
01:59:53,520 --> 02:00:00,240
Speaker 8: because I've been in publishing for seven years now doing

2191
02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:02,600
Speaker 8: A and R, which is kind of like the old

2192
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:04,400
Speaker 8: school way of doing it, which is cool. You know,

2193
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:08,240
Speaker 8: I don't know how it goes on, what goes on

2194
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:11,360
Speaker 8: with the labels. Right now, it doesn't seem like you

2195
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:16,240
Speaker 8: have that much autonomy or you know, I mean, things

2196
02:00:16,280 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 8: are signed based on logistics and not so much you know,

2197
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:25,360
Speaker 8: just pure raw talent.

2198
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, which ones have gotten away from you? I mean,

2199
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:32,880
Speaker 1: if you're talking in terms of like.

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Speaker 2: Just over the course of my career, yes, which.

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Speaker 8: Man?

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Speaker 2: What you were trying to get them?

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Speaker 8: Where at Columbia? Ah man as a unit, Donnie Einer said,

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Speaker 8: and I quote their shit, Oh wow wow what? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes, have you had like revenge talks? Like have you

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Speaker 2: called them like yeah? Now what do you think?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, we could have had that.

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Speaker 8: Trust me. I felt like a bunch of times.

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Speaker 2: Wow. The entire unit, the entire unit at least had

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Speaker 2: a conversation with Risen considered it had a conversation.

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Speaker 8: The whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Did he ever come with you with with any of

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Speaker 3: the solo or the solo projects when he was shopping

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Speaker 3: any to say?

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Speaker 2: Colombia was the only label.

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Speaker 8: That didn't even have remember yeah, well, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, not even cap Donna Epic or who Army was

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Speaker 4: Killer Army they were on they were like they were

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Speaker 4: indie like what Indy but priority or something like that.

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Speaker 1: So during that whole period of ninety four to ninety

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Speaker 1: like when they were red hot, he just said no.

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Speaker 8: Nothing, He just said nothing. This was you know, protect

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Speaker 8: your neck days.

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Speaker 1: This was ironic being as though one of Mariah's biggest

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Speaker 1: singles was right, were you a part of that Brainschild

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Speaker 1: that brought the Fantasy remix with ODB at Columbia?

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Speaker 8: The town.

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Speaker 2: Well faith in hindsight? Like where you with music today?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 2: Does I mean are you are you searching for blood

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Speaker 2: in the stone right now? Or is it you know?

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Speaker 2: Do you still get this? You fork?

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Speaker 8: I do? There's some there's some artists that two artists

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Speaker 8: that I'm looking at right now that that moved me.

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Speaker 1: This is including who you spoke of the singing include

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Speaker 1: what well one of the artists you raved about, Uh

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Speaker 1: the singer from down south. I don't know the name

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Speaker 1: of the person, but singer from South.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Someone there's an act you told me about of oh shit,

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Speaker 1: Uh not Sam Cook voice or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But they were part of a group.

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Speaker 8: Oh watch the Duck.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, Jesse right, are they closer to doing stuff?

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Speaker 6: Ye?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Are you still involved in the project? Okay?

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Speaker 8: But they were one or two you were speaking of

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Speaker 8: when you said, no, there's new ones that I'm looking

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Speaker 8: at you guys, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don Are you just on YouTube now looking for X?

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Speaker 8: Or is it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 8: It comes through different places. I mean, I may find

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Speaker 8: some something on SoundCloud, you know, occasionally, but mostly it

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Speaker 8: comes from just people, I know, managers, you know, mostly managers.

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Speaker 2: And you're looking at the oats. Are you looking at

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Speaker 2: them in terms of signing them, like publishing deals?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, publishing deals.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's this kid named Joyner Lucas. Okay, you heard

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Speaker 8: of him. No, he's dope. He's on some like vivid

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Speaker 8: eminem type storytelling clever you know, wordplay kind of thing.

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Speaker 8: He's dope.

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Speaker 1: But for you, you never want to enter into the

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Speaker 1: sphere of traditional record label.

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Speaker 8: No, I don't want to go back to that. I

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Speaker 8: don't think if you lived through it in the nineties,

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Speaker 8: like I did, you you you you can't. I couldn't.

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Speaker 8: I couldn't do it right now because I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I don't know how they do what they do with

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Speaker 8: the resources that they have. Small budgets, yeah, the tiny budgets.

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Speaker 1: And so what would satisfy you, like, what gives you,

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Speaker 1: you know, what the patter on the back that pat

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Speaker 1: you on the back of twenty seventeen, what would that be?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 8: Aside from the artist thing, A lot of what I

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Speaker 8: do is catalog deals, and that's the thing, the old

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Speaker 8: school stuff. It's like everything for me is come full circle.

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Speaker 2: You know what I've knowing who you are? Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: love Yeah, you know what I wish you'd do? What

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Speaker 2: go to men? Anneapolish.

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Speaker 8: I wish I could too.

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Speaker 2: I think you should. I can think about that.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think they're looking for an archiver, somebody to go through.

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Speaker 8: Like m Yeah. I love doing stuff like that, make

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Speaker 8: it happen, you know, just.

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Speaker 2: To get a new job.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna put it out there, put it out in

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Speaker 8: the universe. I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm putting it.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: I think you'd be perfect.

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Speaker 1: I mean you, I know that your your majestic passion

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Speaker 1: for purple is runs deep, and you have enough experience

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Speaker 1: in the business to know how to minister and and

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Speaker 1: and organize these things.

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Speaker 2: And I happen to know they need a lot of help.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that. Oh wait, I'm supposed to make Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you brought it.

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Speaker 7: It's your suggestion.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know, Faith is magic too.

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Speaker 7: She is but a little extra magic.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite country singers.

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Speaker 8: She was your favorite R and B singer.

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Speaker 2: Faith. Uh yeah, thank you, Thank you so much, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Your presidence here. Thank you for not selling out. That's

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Speaker 2: what you didn't do. You never cast in, You never

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Speaker 2: sold out. Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio.

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