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Speaker 2: We probably should have took off like a lot of
Speaker 2: these NBA teams because they bull They bull.
Speaker 3: Jive tonight, Gil, that bull jib tonight.
Speaker 2: One thirty nine, seventy seven, one thirty five, one oh two,
Speaker 2: I mean one twenty seven to one o nine. There's
Speaker 2: only what the Mavericks and the Knick turned out to
Speaker 2: be a great game. It was four and I think
Speaker 2: the Cavaliers played the Nets in Paris, and that turned
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Speaker 3: The Suns beat the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Gil said he can out shoot the Lakers on a
Speaker 2: previous night, Camp, Gil, we have a video of you
Speaker 2: proving it. Uh, let's take let's take a look at that.
Speaker 2: That's one man doing jumping jacks. Gotta get my cardio
Speaker 2: on up. So that is an official hight rim and
Speaker 2: that's the official distance of an NBA three pointer.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 1: Now this is a college this is college, Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: then just going down there, Tea's messing with him on So.
Speaker 2: If that's your spot, back corner key or the side pocket, as.
Speaker 3: Soon as I step on the court, it is my spot.
Speaker 3: Oh that's your spot, you spot? Yeah, as soon as
Speaker 3: I get past half court, it's just it's just all
Speaker 3: it's just all on fire.
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Speaker 2: in December, Gil that's gonna look real bad if you
Speaker 2: don't win that thing.
Speaker 3: Now, I know. That's why practice. That's why practice three
Speaker 3: times a day. Huh. After this show, I'm going to
Speaker 3: shoot five hundred. You go shoot in the dark.
Speaker 1: N I got keys to the gym too. Oh oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I can't listen.
Speaker 3: I can't lose. So I got keys to the gym.
Speaker 3: Where we going?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can't lose. It's not the fact the
Speaker 2: hundred bands is nothing. It's the fact that somebody's gonna
Speaker 2: have a bragget rights to say I beat the former
Speaker 2: NBA All Star player in a three point competition.
Speaker 1: I'm not losing to no YouTube bombs. I'm not losing
Speaker 1: to though YouTube per span. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I don't work my ass off to lose to though.
Speaker 2: YouTuber spec That was a oh on just the second bill,
Speaker 2: I'm clicking pull it up. The Lakers, I don't know why,
Speaker 2: but they lose one twenty seven, one oh nine. Bradley
Speaker 2: Beal had twenty points eight or eleven field goals, three,
Speaker 2: three or four from the three point line. The Lakers
Speaker 2: starting five had just fourteen points in the third quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's going on with the Lakers?
Speaker 3: I was. I put it, I put it on my Instagram.
Speaker 1: When when you have you know, we've said it, and
Speaker 1: when you have Van do when you have cam in
Speaker 1: right as an offensive player, I know they king shoot
Speaker 1: a gun. So why am I even gonna pay attention
Speaker 1: to them. I'm just gonna look at Lebron. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna look at a d right. That's period. Right, So
Speaker 1: when they're in the game, I'm not playing defense. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna clog up the lane. And when I'm on offense,
Speaker 1: I get to give one against them. Right, It's a
Speaker 1: lopsided thing. I mean, you have Booker, who don't we
Speaker 1: don't know if he plays defense.
Speaker 3: You got Bill out there.
Speaker 1: They got an all offensive squad and you can't take
Speaker 1: advantage of it because you don't have anybody that can
Speaker 1: score in the game.
Speaker 2: Bill ended up having thirty seven, with twenty points in
Speaker 2: the third eight of eleven three or four from three
Speaker 2: Bradley Bill had thirty one. Kad had a quiet night,
Speaker 2: but it was a very efficient seven to twelve fifteen points.
Speaker 2: That was a bad performance. I mean Ad had thirteen.
Speaker 2: I mean Ad played thirty two minutes. Ady had thirteen.
Speaker 2: Victorian Prince had eleven, bron had ten. Cam Briddish ended
Speaker 2: up going out of the ball game. He had zero
Speaker 2: points in eight minutes. Us the Reeves had thirteen points,
Speaker 2: d Lo had nineteen, and May's had twelve. Oh, Christy
Speaker 2: also had Chip there with fourteen. Man, he I mean
Speaker 2: he came in at the end of the game, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So yeah, Like, but the meat up, the meat of
Speaker 1: it is, you have guys out there who specialized on defense.
Speaker 1: But the guy your garden's gonna he's gonna score, He's
Speaker 1: gonna get his numbers, but you're not gonna score.
Speaker 2: Right if you're on the gil, if you're a defensive guy,
Speaker 2: you can't say you're a defensive guy and Bill gets
Speaker 2: thirty seven, you can't be a defensive guy and Booker
Speaker 2: gets thirty one, and then you don't offset that. On
Speaker 2: the other end, I can see if Booker got thirty seven,
Speaker 2: but you gave us twenty eight. I can excuse me.
Speaker 2: If Bill Bill got thirty seven, you gave us twenty eight. Okay,
Speaker 2: Devin Booker got thirty one, you gave us twenty five.
Speaker 2: That can somewhat offset it. But when you're not giving
Speaker 2: us that kind of production. You're giving us what did
Speaker 2: Vandal what Victorian Prinz had eleven?
Speaker 3: Reddish had zero? Van deer Belt has six.
Speaker 1: That's not Anovel and six is at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. Look, it's that's quite simple. Right right before
Speaker 1: the game, you just tell them, hey, hey son, you
Speaker 1: don't even need to put your jersey on.
Speaker 3: You ain't getting in the day.
Speaker 1: Wow, you ain't getting in the game unless we get
Speaker 1: a blowout.
Speaker 3: I'm going ahead to put you in.
Speaker 1: But there's no reason for me to put you in
Speaker 1: a game against this high level offensive juggernaut and you
Speaker 1: are giving nothing because he is gonna by a fourth
Speaker 1: quarter he's fresh, yes, because he doesn't have to play
Speaker 1: defense against anybody.
Speaker 3: He just sits there.
Speaker 2: So you're saying there should be some healthy scratches of
Speaker 2: some healthy DMP for the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Oh, they should be playing seven players eight if you ate,
Speaker 1: if somebody gets in power trouble in January. This is
Speaker 1: not the playoff of Gil. It don't matter. You're trying
Speaker 1: to win games, right, You're trying to win games. You're
Speaker 1: supposed to be shortening up this thing anyway. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to be trying to win games. You don't have no
Speaker 1: leverage to be playing nine players.
Speaker 2: You don't have nine NBA players. Yes, yeah, but nobody
Speaker 2: was good for the Lakers the night. Lebron was three
Speaker 2: of eleven or four four seven from the free throw line,
Speaker 2: ten points. Anthony Davids had thirteen, but he only took
Speaker 2: eleven shots. Jordian Prince had what four?
Speaker 3: Ten?
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody played well tonight, and it was all
Speaker 2: you could tell early on in the game. Gil the
Speaker 2: way the game started, I mean, because at one point
Speaker 2: they was down thirty four to nineteen, I'm like, really, gods,
Speaker 2: I mean, y'all had I mean, y'all had a day off.
Speaker 2: It's not like they played the back to back. You
Speaker 2: had a day off, and that was that was That
Speaker 2: was pathetic. I don't know what what's going on, but
Speaker 2: I don't know how Darvin Ham keeps the job if
Speaker 2: they keep looking like this moving forward much longer now.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's like if like when you say
Speaker 1: that they had a bad game, ten shots, eleven shots
Speaker 1: right twenty eight minutes, like they can't.
Speaker 3: Get the ball up.
Speaker 1: If Lebron, if I know you're coming in here, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna sit in the lane and force you to
Speaker 1: pass it, right, So you're just not gonna get the
Speaker 1: attempts up. And when you do shoot, there's three or
Speaker 1: four people that's guarding you. Right, So it's an off
Speaker 1: night because they just can't get to possessions that they need.
Speaker 1: It's like I love playing against people who didn't play
Speaker 1: no offense. It's a night off for me, right, I
Speaker 1: love quality shots, And like you said, the thing is,
Speaker 1: they're gonna clog the lane knowing that when Lebron passed it,
Speaker 1: you probably eight times out of ten they're gonna miss
Speaker 1: the shot. At least seven times out of ten they're
Speaker 1: gonna miss the shot. Anyway. That's seven out of ten
Speaker 1: they're gonna miss it, and the other three they probably
Speaker 1: not even gonna shit. They're not gonna shoot the.
Speaker 3: Ball seven out of ten and the other three they're
Speaker 3: gonna miss it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's bad. There were some boos from the home
Speaker 2: crowd tonight. That's to be expected. They're under five hundred,
Speaker 2: nineteen and twenty. You play in LA, you're the Lakers.
Speaker 2: There's an expectation no matter who's out there, that you
Speaker 2: give it you all, And I think the fans didn't
Speaker 2: like the performance. That they got from night tonight from anyone,
Speaker 2: and they let them know that this is what we
Speaker 2: think of you guys' performance tonight. We're gonna boo you. Yes,
Speaker 2: we love our Lakers, but tonight was unworthy of cheers.
Speaker 3: I'm booing as soon as I seen the starting line up,
Speaker 3: as soon as they'd be like, can't boom get you
Speaker 3: off the court? Man, God damn man, It's like, how
Speaker 3: many games you gonna go? Zebra?
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, he's probably the only starter
Speaker 1: that has the most zeros as a starting As a
Speaker 1: starting player, you're talking about Cam Cam Reddish yeah, and
Speaker 1: Van Doo coming in with these minutes, like listen, they're
Speaker 1: not starters, and don't start them in the purple and gold, right,
Speaker 1: don't start him in the purple and gold.
Speaker 3: Like you could take.
Speaker 1: These players right now, and I guarantee you can't find
Speaker 1: two teams they will start on in this NBA.
Speaker 3: And that's the problem that the Lakers are having.
Speaker 2: When you say you want to trade, trade for what,
Speaker 2: you gotta have something of value that I want in
Speaker 2: order for me to make a trade, because of even
Speaker 2: flopaint no swindow. Well, if you traded me that for
Speaker 2: some of my beft players, that's swindle. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know how they gonna get off these guys. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna have to throw that twenty nine first
Speaker 2: round pick because you don't have any picks up.
Speaker 3: Until then, and that's the last one they holding on to.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have some of them cheerleaders, huh, throwing some
Speaker 1: of them cheerleaders or a couple of those statues.
Speaker 2: So Kobe got don't Kobe have too? They might have
Speaker 2: to throw in that eight or the twenty four you
Speaker 2: hit one of them. Ye, yeah, we'll give you to
Speaker 2: We'll give you the twenty fool.
Speaker 3: I don't even know to give you exactly exact exactly this.
Speaker 2: This was a very bad performance for the Lakers, and
Speaker 2: uh and we thought in this situation that they got
Speaker 2: a couple of home games in there. We thought this
Speaker 2: was an opportunity for them to like heal up, get
Speaker 2: some wins, you know, stretch it to be you know,
Speaker 2: three four, five games over five hundred. But the way
Speaker 2: they're starting, it doesn't it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially after I saw them what they did
Speaker 2: to the Clippers. I said, okay, we know the Clippers
Speaker 2: have been playing very, very well. They beat the Clippers
Speaker 2: at home. I was like, okay, they beat Toronto's scrappy
Speaker 2: team and then come out here let the egg like this.
Speaker 1: That's it's like, it's the NBA. So you're gonna have
Speaker 1: some nights where you're playing well. But you know it's
Speaker 1: the it's the the consistent See, if you're your consistency
Speaker 1: of three of your players that played big minutes is
Speaker 1: an average between the three of them nine eleven in
Speaker 1: the eleven and a.
Speaker 3: Half, you're gonna lose more of the games than you're
Speaker 3: gonna win.
Speaker 1: So yes, you're gonna have to just say, all right,
Speaker 1: this thing, it's shown it's not working.
Speaker 3: Try something else, or it looks like you insane.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the thing is the Lakers are playing so
Speaker 2: bad it keeps us from talking about the Warriors, who's
Speaker 2: playing even worse, even worse. So we thought this was
Speaker 2: a matchup we still still could happen. We thought the
Speaker 2: Celtics and the Bucks would be a great matchup. You know,
Speaker 2: you got Jason Tatum, JB, you got Dang and Giannis
Speaker 2: and this game was over at the half. This game
Speaker 2: was not even close. This was awful, This was pathetic,
Speaker 2: and it was so bad. The starters didn't come back out,
Speaker 2: they didn't play the second half. Yeah, they beat they
Speaker 2: beat their booty off. They back tonight.
Speaker 1: This was this was a staple for for the Bucks,
Speaker 1: right because.
Speaker 3: You know, one of the players is over there.
Speaker 1: Ye had to really know that we are a better
Speaker 1: team and might not say it on the record, but
Speaker 1: we are a better team, you know, without you.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna go out there and prove it, right
Speaker 2: because you know, the thing is where they're slipped is defensively.
Speaker 2: Last year they're the fourth rated defensive team. Now they're
Speaker 2: like in the twenties. If so, tonight, what did they
Speaker 2: hold the selfsu would have thirty nine?
Speaker 3: Yull me, god, what did they hold a selfish? You
Speaker 3: had to have gear like thirty nine?
Speaker 2: It was like seven.
Speaker 1: Man even even okay, even the stat that that's pushed
Speaker 1: out there about the defense, it's it's it's Foods Gold, right,
Speaker 1: it's Foods Gold. They were fourth last year and in
Speaker 1: twenty this year. Well what about the offense?
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 1: You know last year they averaged one sixteen, gave up
Speaker 1: one thirteen, right, this year, they're averaging one twenty four,
Speaker 1: giving up one nineteen, so they're plus two with the addition.
Speaker 3: Right. You know, so all that defense they had last year,
Speaker 3: where the fuck did it get him first round exit
Speaker 3: to it?
Speaker 2: Well, we couldn't tell anything about that defense, cause way
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler lit him up in the playoffs. Remember Jimmy
Speaker 2: had that fifty seven point to mean, Jimmy Butler looked
Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan and Kobe in the absolute prime and
Speaker 2: that was against Holiday, yes, but but that was that was.
Speaker 3: The issue here.
Speaker 1: It's like, can we get more offense than the defense?
Speaker 1: And right now it's plus two. So the offense is
Speaker 1: plus two versus what they had last year. So it's
Speaker 1: not a negative. They're just looking at the wrong stats.
Speaker 1: They're looking at, oh, the defense, but the offense is
Speaker 1: second compared to where it was last year. You know,
Speaker 1: when when you have Giannis out. So the problem was
Speaker 1: basically in the playoffs, when you had Giannis out, where
Speaker 1: we was going to get our points? Drew Holiday averaged
Speaker 1: one point eight in IO points, which right, one point
Speaker 1: eight for your second third best player, when when Dame
Speaker 1: was number one in ISO points.
Speaker 3: So I don't take the points over the defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't think anybody figured it was a
Speaker 2: bad trade. I mean, you get an opportunity to get
Speaker 2: a top seventy five player all time, and you give
Speaker 2: up what you might give up the defensively, it's more
Speaker 2: than worth because you're getting Dame Lillard in return. Yes,
Speaker 2: so I like the trade. Nobody can convince me this
Speaker 2: was a bad trade for Milwaukee. I think all the
Speaker 2: other twenty nine other teams, if they had a similar situation,
Speaker 2: they're taking Dame Lillard for a true Holiday type player also,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 3: But for but for whatever reasons.
Speaker 2: Gil it hadn't clicked as well as I thought it
Speaker 2: would by now, because I mean, when they get on
Speaker 2: the same page, we can see they can be explosive.
Speaker 2: John can give you forty thirteen to eight and Dame
Speaker 2: can give you thirty two, nine and six. But there's
Speaker 2: not enough of that. Malik Beasley played and shoot the ball.
Speaker 2: He's leading the league at three point field goal shooter.
Speaker 2: Last year getting with Lebron he couldn't throw it in
Speaker 2: the ocean from the middle of.
Speaker 3: Ocean, you know what sometimes and you know you can't.
Speaker 1: We can't say that he's a better shooter without Lebron
Speaker 1: and he's what is What happens is when you get
Speaker 1: embarrassed and people call it out, you go into the
Speaker 1: summer saying, I need to improve this, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's we have to give him credit for his improvement.
Speaker 3: It's nothing to do with the offense.
Speaker 1: Right, you have the same shots when you had in Lakers.
Speaker 1: You just worked on that this summer to improve your
Speaker 1: chances of standing on the floor and extending your career.
Speaker 3: Why the hell he ain't working on doing in between
Speaker 3: practices and the shoot.
Speaker 1: Around same reason. A lot of guys don't work on it.
Speaker 1: They don't they think they better than they really are.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You go in there, you take fifty twenty five threes
Speaker 1: after practice and you think that's enough. Right, No, man,
Speaker 1: that's not a First of all, if you're not a
Speaker 1: shooter coming into the NBA, you're behind the eight ball already.
Speaker 3: You're your eight nine years behind an actual natural shooter.
Speaker 3: So that means you have to try to make that up.
Speaker 3: That means you have to put yourself on a schedule
Speaker 3: four or.
Speaker 1: Five hundred shots a day outside of practice wow, for
Speaker 1: to turn around, and it might not run for three
Speaker 1: four years, but it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna turn around.
Speaker 2: So if you're not putting in that type of work,
Speaker 2: you're not really getting better. It was so bad TNT
Speaker 2: even switched off the game. Now, that's what the NFL
Speaker 2: normally does. The NFL normally switched the games. The game
Speaker 2: is getting out of hand, they'll switch to another game.
Speaker 2: That's never I've never seen that before. But I know,
Speaker 2: I know, Dan, what I know. If I was on Boston,
Speaker 2: ain't no way. I'm sorry, coach, Ain't no goddamn where you.
Speaker 2: I ain't get my points yet, Ain't no where you taking.
Speaker 3: Me out at the half? Nah? Yeah, that's what That's
Speaker 3: what's so impressive about Lebron Street.
Speaker 2: He's almost a damn there twelve hundred games with double figures,
Speaker 2: and you see situations like this Jason Tatum, now he
Speaker 2: has to start all over again. He has seven Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I don't know who's close to him,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if somebody's gonna actually break that record.
Speaker 2: You talk about the points, I mean, he's what three
Speaker 2: hundred and something points away, maybe four hundred points away
Speaker 2: from forty thousand. Were talking about nobody's gonna break that record.
Speaker 2: Who the hell is gonna have twelve hundred straight game
Speaker 2: with double double figures.
Speaker 1: It's hard, I mean, and that's that's the most impressive part.
Speaker 1: The impressive part is that he's doing it still at
Speaker 1: this age.
Speaker 3: Right. Someone tried to call me out on Twitter when
Speaker 3: I said it.
Speaker 1: I said, well, when Michael Jordan was playing with the
Speaker 1: Wizards and that second year and he bringing all those
Speaker 1: vestas try to win some games.
Speaker 3: They were supposed to be a playoff seed.
Speaker 1: When they were said, no one talked bad about Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: no one said nothing. They just let him do his
Speaker 1: thing exactly. So why y'all not doing it for this
Speaker 1: thirty nine year old? Why expected to win when the
Speaker 1: when the goat didn't and they they supposed to win
Speaker 1: forty eight games, and then you know when they tried
Speaker 1: to fact check me, it was right. They had high
Speaker 1: hopes for that second year and they fell short, and
Speaker 1: no one blamed Michael Jordan for it because his age.
Speaker 2: And I'm saying because everybody said it was just it
Speaker 2: was just a ceremony. You'll see the last two with
Speaker 2: your ceremony. Well that's what you said about Lebron, Old Lebron,
Speaker 2: he cares more about being Michael B. Jordan than Michael Jordan. Okay,
Speaker 2: he just excuse me. He disproved that All Star all NBA,
Speaker 2: led the league in assists, won a championship. So now now,
Speaker 2: because he didn't come out here for ceremony, he didn't
Speaker 2: come out here to retire. He's still playing at the
Speaker 2: league level. You still find something to well, he ain't this,
Speaker 2: He ain't that. The man is playing at the unbelievable level.
Speaker 2: It's still a team game and he needs that. May look,
Speaker 2: that's the same thing. That's what y'all said. Y'all said, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm looking to move if y'all don't get me some help.
Speaker 1: Listen, this game is what the problem is for like
Speaker 1: a guy like me who values you know, players, Right,
Speaker 1: when we're trying to convince you someone's not good, we
Speaker 1: give you all the things they can't do, and then
Speaker 1: when we talk about the past, we talk about everything
Speaker 1: they can do. Right, so we tell you all the
Speaker 1: good things and the accolades of the past, and then
Speaker 1: the present we tell you everything they can't do. Oh,
Speaker 1: he can't go one on one, he never takes a
Speaker 1: last shot, he doesn't do this. This is all right?
Speaker 1: What about the other guys. How about them, Let's let's
Speaker 1: hear what their negatives are. Oh, he couldn't go left,
Speaker 1: Oh he couldn't do this. He could, but we don't.
Speaker 1: We just talk about their greatness and in our flaws.
Speaker 1: And that's what keeps this thing going. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they always oh he's six and oh but what about
Speaker 1: the first year? What about the year that he got
Speaker 1: bounced in the first round. So in other words, you're
Speaker 1: telling me it's better to lose in the first round
Speaker 1: to lose in the NBA finals. I'm that's what it
Speaker 1: sounds like you're saying to me. But look wherever you
Speaker 1: are on this argument, Gil, I don't think anybody's moving
Speaker 1: You are where you are in this argument. Some people
Speaker 1: believe it's Jordan, some people believe it's Lebron, some people
Speaker 1: believe it's Kobe. I don't believe anybody can put forth
Speaker 1: the compelling argument to suade somebody to move off, whether
Speaker 1: it's Kobe, Lebron or Jordan.
Speaker 3: No, And that's and that's the thing.
Speaker 1: At this point in time, these guys submitted themselves as
Speaker 1: potential goat like figures.
Speaker 3: And the people.
Speaker 1: Who were there, who watched Michael Jordan Harry NB a league,
Speaker 1: not a team.
Speaker 3: He wasn't carrying the bulls.
Speaker 1: He was carrying the league image right this He was
Speaker 1: carrying this game. And the people who witnessed that and
Speaker 1: saw that, they're not giving that up, you know, giving
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 3: That's just that's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So no matter Lebron could have twelve rings that they're
Speaker 1: gonna find there, it's right. So it's just one yeah
Speaker 1: things where we got the we got we got, we
Speaker 1: got him up there, and then everybody else is gonna
Speaker 1: fall short to it because when they say it's about ring,
Speaker 1: I said, well, Bill Russell has more rings.
Speaker 2: John Havlachik, Sam Jones, Casey Jones. If it's about rings,
Speaker 2: well it's about it, okay. But what about a guy
Speaker 2: that that played, has been an All Star, about to
Speaker 2: be twenty consecutive times as a starter. What about the
Speaker 2: guys have the most all big NBA teams? What about
Speaker 2: the guy that first, excuse mill, not only all NBA teams,
Speaker 2: the All NBA First Team. What about a guy that
Speaker 2: won championships in three different franchises and he was the
Speaker 2: MVP at all different franchises. A guy average a triple
Speaker 2: double in the NBA Finals and with what two rebounds
Speaker 2: or left from Jordan Again. But like I said, wherever
Speaker 2: you are in this argument, Gil, you're not moving. So
Speaker 2: ain't no sense in us trying to convince anybody one
Speaker 2: way or another.
Speaker 3: And they just get on that leg. I'm gonna let
Speaker 3: you stay. All they're gonna do is to you can't
Speaker 3: use stats. You can't use stats, right, you.
Speaker 1: Know it is, it is what it is at this point, right,
Speaker 1: And you know the best thing for me is I
Speaker 1: got to play with all three of them. You know,
Speaker 1: there's only a few people that can say they played
Speaker 1: with all three. Like so if you say your top
Speaker 1: five greatest of all time, I get to say I
Speaker 1: played with all five or four out of five, right, right,
Speaker 1: depending on who you put in there. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you start putting in the sixties in the seventies, no
Speaker 1: then yet. But for the for the most part, most
Speaker 1: of your your your top five ever, it is eighty
Speaker 1: to now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a lot of those guys you played against,
Speaker 2: bore than that you played against, Shot, you played against
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan, Yeah, I mean Tim Dugant don't get any credit.
Speaker 3: They just make it seem like he was a bum.
Speaker 3: I mean Timmy, I mean the guy.
Speaker 2: I mean he was a fifteen time All Defensive Player,
Speaker 2: all those all those All Star Game, all those all
Speaker 2: NBA five rings, three finals, MVP. I think he won
Speaker 2: two championships. I don't know if he ever won a
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year, but he was outstanding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he was. He was an He was amazing.
Speaker 1: And it goes to show you what type of type
Speaker 1: of talent that's been in this league, that's coming.
Speaker 3: In this league.
Speaker 1: And you know, like I came in as a fan,
Speaker 1: so you know, I was stand boring out there. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, yeah, give me autograph after they ain't even
Speaker 1: give me autograph. And it's one of those guys. So
Speaker 1: you know it's I had I have all three of
Speaker 1: them in the top five. So I just like the
Speaker 1: polk and argue about all three. Right today, you know
Speaker 1: it's Lebron, Tomorrow might be Jordan, Kobe might be there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So not one of those
Speaker 1: guys that just.
Speaker 2: I just I switch every week. I think that you
Speaker 2: gotta you have another another Top five Melo said. The
Speaker 2: Nuggets gave Nicola Jokic the number fifteen jersey to try
Speaker 2: to eat a race. What he did, Mello called giving
Speaker 2: Nicola Jokic jersey the same number he Warren Denver is
Speaker 2: a is a petty maneuver. It wasn't like, oh, we
Speaker 2: got a number to choose from. It was like here
Speaker 2: you got fifteen, melo, ya, let me take this, fir Mello.
Speaker 2: You do realize this guy was a second round European
Speaker 2: player that when he got drafted, they was in the
Speaker 2: middle of a Taco bell commercial.
Speaker 3: So you really you really thought?
Speaker 2: Who thought Nikola Jokic was gonna arguably be one of
Speaker 2: our top ten player when it's all said and done,
Speaker 2: because then it thought that they did choke him. Number
Speaker 2: one overall was in the second round and plus Mellow,
Speaker 2: you forget you forced.
Speaker 3: Your way out.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you forced your way out of relationship and
Speaker 2: I don't hold you in high regard.
Speaker 3: Please forgive me. No. No, that as right. He was
Speaker 3: the second round pick.
Speaker 1: Nobody knew he was gonna be No, it was I
Speaker 1: remember when announcer said, I don't know if he was
Speaker 1: playing against Houston, Oh, they'll put anybody in the game
Speaker 1: when he was posting up. Yeah, right, So they didn't
Speaker 1: know what he was gonna be. He know then to
Speaker 1: this Unfortunately, he had the same.
Speaker 2: Number you had. And nobody's gonna remember you wore fifteen.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, mellow, but nobody's gonna remember you wore fifteen.
Speaker 2: He's no more. And this is so I don't want
Speaker 2: to say it, but you're a Nick player. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Nick player. Your career is New York Knicks.
Speaker 1: Yes, like, we know what you did as a as
Speaker 1: a rookie coming in. But four time All Start, one
Speaker 1: time gold Man List, three time All NBA as a Nick,
Speaker 1: six time All Star, two gold Medalist, three All NBA,
Speaker 1: one scoring check.
Speaker 3: Your jersey is in the rafters in the garden.
Speaker 1: Yes, take that. And that's just it, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean it hurts because that's who drafted you. But your
Speaker 1: numbers ain't there in the bigger picture. But but the
Speaker 1: fact that they have number twelve and fifty five retired,
Speaker 1: which is fat Lever, uh huh.
Speaker 3: And then the Cookie Dan and then the Cookie Monster muntumbo.
Speaker 1: The fact that they got those two up there, you
Speaker 1: got you gotta retire my jersey, Yeah no, they don't.
Speaker 2: Got I thought they would have Dan Isfel know that
Speaker 2: they got them, but they earned theirs. You know, Alex
Speaker 2: English earned his. I'm fat lever. Come on you, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're bad with the triple double before before Russ, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Wasn't better than goddamn Mellow and Matumbo. Stop nuts.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, man, Ma Tumbo bit all over
Speaker 2: the place. He was in Philly, he was in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: he was in Houston. So I mean, it's not like
Speaker 2: he's like known for the Nuggets.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: So you know the fact that you have his jersey retired,
Speaker 1: you know, I will feel some type of way. But
Speaker 1: you know, I, as a player didn't. I didn't do
Speaker 1: that much there to really have a problem when I
Speaker 1: know my body of work is in New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's not like Melo. You had like
Speaker 2: a Tom Brady career and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: they give somebody twelve. They gave a guy, they gave
Speaker 2: a backup. I mean, he was a second round pick.
Speaker 2: The guy got drafted is in the middle of a
Speaker 2: Taco Bell commercial. Nobody could have foretold that he would
Speaker 2: be this. Hey, nobody, you can't say that. That's even worse.
Speaker 2: You can't give my number to the dude in the
Speaker 2: second round. Row didn't give you my number to the
Speaker 2: second round, Hi Cook. But here's the thing, Gil, The
Speaker 2: fact of the matter is that the guy turned out
Speaker 2: and people won't remember him. My thing is they don't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who they're putting eighty four. The people
Speaker 2: in Denver are gonna remember I wore number eighty four.
Speaker 2: People gonna say that's Shannon Sharp enough now they mess
Speaker 2: right it and let's just say that was Gronk or
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey. People are like, man, I don't remember who
Speaker 2: war to damn eighty four before Gronk or Kelsey got it.
Speaker 3: That's just the way it is. That's just the way
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: But when you take a basketball player, okay, it's more
Speaker 2: likely guy in the second ride in the NFL makes
Speaker 2: it or play as well, because we've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of those. Is not likely that a second round NBA
Speaker 2: player is gonna have the type of career that Nicola
Speaker 2: Yoka just said.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's not. I mean, it wasn't expected. They probably
Speaker 1: didn't they I mean they didn't. They didn't foresee this, man,
Speaker 1: And it's just one of those things that happened, right,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you don't. You don't.
Speaker 3: You didn't have the resume.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you had the Knicks resume over there, right,
Speaker 1: you know, then we can talk.
Speaker 2: But you're you're His legacy is a New York name. Yes,
Speaker 2: it is what it is. And the guys. The guy
Speaker 2: as an NBA A two times back to back MVP.
Speaker 2: He's a finals MVP, and when it's all said and done,
Speaker 2: we're gonna see it where, We're gonna see where it ranks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean right now he's gonna be ranked running
Speaker 1: that franchise.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. That said.
Speaker 2: He that's done. That's done. Now he got played. He
Speaker 2: ain't got to play another down. He ain't excuse me
Speaker 2: another game. That's it for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Two MVP's finals MVP. And the numbers that he's putting
Speaker 2: up with. The dude has what one hundred and twelve
Speaker 2: hundred and thirteen trip with doubles? Yep, and he's less
Speaker 2: than what ten years in the league maybe ten years now?
Speaker 3: He was drop did nine twenty fifteen, so eight years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, mellow, And I know I look, when
Speaker 2: a guy words your number, you're like, oh man, this
Speaker 2: joke ain't worth that having my number you know, he's
Speaker 2: more than worse. And what's gonna happen is that people
Speaker 2: in Denver will have forgotten that you actually wore that number.
Speaker 3: I mean, the black people will remember.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's the black people remember. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things, like my jersey finally
Speaker 1: got used this year a lottery pick. Will he do
Speaker 1: the things I did?
Speaker 3: I hope not? But if he do that, you hope.
Speaker 3: I hope he don't.
Speaker 1: But you know the fact that you know that I
Speaker 1: thought my jersey was being hidden for you know, you
Speaker 1: know they frownd the pond, right, you know, so the
Speaker 1: fact that they let someone wear it, it kind of
Speaker 1: makes me proud of Okay, finally, shit, I thought you
Speaker 1: can just burn up zero out of the archives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have my my number at Savanna State retired.
Speaker 2: And even before it got retired, my coach Bill Davis said, nobody,
Speaker 2: as long as I'm the head coach, ain't nobody wearing
Speaker 2: that number because nobody had ever had their jersey retired.
Speaker 2: And I think in two thousand and nine when they
Speaker 2: finally retired retired it. But from eighty from when I
Speaker 2: left at eighty nine, nobody had even War from eighty
Speaker 2: nine to two thousand nine, so twenty seasons nobody even
Speaker 2: had that jersey. Now, can't no one wear it unless I,
Speaker 2: unless Savannah State and I we both have to give
Speaker 2: consent to let somebody wear it.
Speaker 3: And uh, I know. My thing is, why would you
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 2: A three time All American, a Conference Player of the Year,
Speaker 2: offensive player to year, three times Georgia's Player of the Year.
Speaker 2: Why would you want number two? You won't, You don't,
Speaker 2: nobody's nobody's dumb. Nobody won't.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants that pressure man.
Speaker 2: You know you know what's happening. The Magic will retire
Speaker 2: Shacks number thirty two. There's no question he's the best
Speaker 2: player in magic history, followed closely behind dwighte.
Speaker 3: Oh you think you get oh you got d White
Speaker 3: in magic history. You know you got only there in
Speaker 3: four years, that's it, right.
Speaker 1: But like we're not talking about, you know, Shack's body
Speaker 1: of work. We're just saying, Orlando, that's four years. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you was breaking back and fords and stuff. But you know,
Speaker 1: three time All NBA Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 3: You know you got you know, rebounding.
Speaker 1: Champ All Stars, six All NBA's and six. Like his
Speaker 1: resume is just bigger than Shacks in that jersey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the best, the better player, of
Speaker 1: course talent wise, Shack, But in that jersey, it's white, right.
Speaker 1: Shack made a statement early when the Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 1: averaging twenty three point four points fourteen rebounds in.
Speaker 3: His first first campaign at the Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2: He led the Magic to the NBA Finals of the
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five and posted four All Star season. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me ask you this, what do you have Shacking
Speaker 2: your all time rankings?
Speaker 1: I have him, I have him. I bounced from four
Speaker 1: to five. You got him that between him and Magic? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because because I seen him close, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I seen him up clothes. That's how I kill.
Speaker 1: I've seen how he talked to the defense and what
Speaker 1: we had to do to try to stop him. Right,
Speaker 1: I have him four or five is between him and
Speaker 1: Magic at the four or five. But he's my number
Speaker 1: one draft pick. I'm drafting him number one. He's my
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth. But if I got the first pick,
Speaker 1: I'm grabbing Shack every time. Wow, that's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Because you know, the best, the double one overall pick
Speaker 2: that gets voted all the time is Lebron.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I know who who's gonna get voted
Speaker 3: number one.
Speaker 1: But I know what happens when you have Shakill Loan
Speaker 1: O'Neill in the game, right, and you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: draft players. You're gonna have to like, hey, hey you hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to play basketball? You know the lift weights?
Speaker 1: Come on, they gotta go to Gohos Gym for shack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you ain't even I got football? Who want to come
Speaker 1: come on here? You're wrong, you got you got? You
Speaker 1: gotta go get a Miles Gary. You gotta go get
Speaker 1: some defensive line with something five to seventy five to
Speaker 1: deal with Shaq that's used to that physicality, because I
Speaker 1: don't there's not an NBA player that's ever been physical
Speaker 1: enough to deal with him one on one. That's why
Speaker 1: he I mean, they created the hack of Shock because
Speaker 1: he was just he was just unstoppable.
Speaker 2: You got one and he's gonna punish you on the block.
Speaker 2: He gonna clear it out, he gonna drop step, and
Speaker 2: he gonna dunk it. He ain't laying nothing up. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I've ever seen Shack lay the ball up.
Speaker 1: No, and he ain't trying to and with some funny
Speaker 1: as I had Baron Davis on today and he said
Speaker 1: the same thing that I was always alluding to when
Speaker 1: because how physical shock was, he didn't block shots, he
Speaker 1: didn't do it, but because he was so massive and
Speaker 1: his defense was I'm gonna hit you so.
Speaker 3: Hard, you're not gonna come in this Slane no more
Speaker 3: made everybody.
Speaker 1: Else look like they were great defensive players because back there,
Speaker 1: like so when I want to draw, it's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get hit by that dude.
Speaker 3: Like we injured, like I'm you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that was his presence too, the defensive presence of Lebron.
Speaker 3: Ain't driving, d Wayne.
Speaker 1: We ain't driving like you know AI coming there, but
Speaker 1: you know, ay, I gonna get hit. We were scared
Speaker 1: to go in there and get hit by Shack. We
Speaker 1: didn't want that first shock hit or that second shock hit.
Speaker 1: I got his third, all right, if I can get
Speaker 1: the fourth on him?
Speaker 3: Yes at the half?
Speaker 2: Who other than that, hell no, yeah, you better not
Speaker 2: let him have one or two coming out of the half.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, yeah, because he gonna say, hey, let him.
Speaker 3: Let him come over here and drive.
Speaker 2: I got something for him, right Yeah, I mean, but
Speaker 2: you know, early in his career, Jack was a shot blocker.
Speaker 3: I think he had averager with three point three blocks
Speaker 3: of the game. Yeah, he was. I mean when he
Speaker 3: was at JIB.
Speaker 1: But when he got to l A and he realized
Speaker 1: that I would not get dunked on if I if
Speaker 1: I if I if, I give you an example, and that's
Speaker 1: what that example was. I'm just gonna I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: like this and I'm gonna use my hip and hit
Speaker 1: you out the air.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't have him in my top
Speaker 2: five before I give you my top five. The Jannis
Speaker 2: Guess what number Yannis is wearing in Milwaukee? Thirty four?
Speaker 2: Who were thirty four at Milwaukee? Rey aality? I mean
Speaker 2: nobody thought, hello, if they thought Jannis was gonna be this,
Speaker 2: they took him earlier.
Speaker 3: Yes he was.
Speaker 2: He was a skinny kid. When do you go like
Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen. He was a skinny kid out of Greece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean you don't know, Uh, it's it's you, okay,
Speaker 1: what you look for in drive fifteen he was taking
Speaker 1: fifteenth Gil. Yeah, I think he was like right outside
Speaker 1: the lottery, what happens what happens in the NBA when
Speaker 1: you have someone who's eighteen nineteen, right, you're going off
Speaker 1: of the skill set, the potential lock arms, right, Yes, see,
Speaker 1: can they run up and down and then you hope
Speaker 1: that they have the work at to want to get better. Yes,
Speaker 1: But for the most part you're looking at measurements, and
Speaker 1: his measurements was like, okay, we can do something with this. Yes,
Speaker 1: then you know what, And that's if they know this
Speaker 1: is gonna be him and he's gonna gain thirty something
Speaker 1: forty pounds in the next two years and be the
Speaker 1: MVP number one pick.
Speaker 3: Yes, but they're not looking at those men.
Speaker 1: They're looking at Okay, we can guide him, and he
Speaker 1: looks like he can be fifteen maybe one time All Star.
Speaker 3: We can deal with that.
Speaker 2: The mere fact that we have to debate Shaq being
Speaker 2: in the top five of the travesty because of his size,
Speaker 2: his athleticism had he as he worked his tail.
Speaker 3: Let's just say he had a third of the worker.
Speaker 2: I think it's Kobe A Jordan or Lebron shackspplted to
Speaker 2: have thirty five thousand points.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, if the refs called the game like they
Speaker 5: were supposed to, he would have had thirty five tous
Speaker 5: quarter right right, you know it's it's it's one of
Speaker 5: those things where in the NBA, the stronger players cry
Speaker 5: the most because the stronger players are getting hit the most.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, And that's just how the game is. That
Speaker 1: Shack is coming down there to post up, and he's
Speaker 1: posted up on me. Trust me, They're gonna allow me
Speaker 1: to do whatever I can, yeah.
Speaker 3: To try to get him out of this lane.
Speaker 1: So imagine what people were trying to do to get
Speaker 1: him off that spot.
Speaker 3: Two hands were sitting here.
Speaker 1: Doing this, hey get it, push, we don't you got
Speaker 1: six hands in the back, and Shack is just come on,
Speaker 1: come on down here, come on out here.
Speaker 3: And and it was one of those things.
Speaker 1: So the fact that if they just called the game fair,
Speaker 1: which you can't, right, you can't, he would be the
Speaker 1: thirty five free throws a game because you you have
Speaker 1: to file him or.
Speaker 3: You get Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the thing is is that when you look
Speaker 2: at Shack and you see the athleticism, I mean, he's
Speaker 2: a bigger, more Shack is more athletic. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: just athletic. I'm saying you don't have to touch the
Speaker 2: field like a Joel Embiid. But as far as just
Speaker 2: running drop step, Shack had it all. People don't realize
Speaker 2: how big Shaq was and how athletic he was to
Speaker 2: get up and down the court. But he didn't take
Speaker 2: training series, he didn't take his diet series. Because had
Speaker 2: he had he taken that serious, maybe he could have
Speaker 2: warned about some of those injuries.
Speaker 3: Because you know, that's a big man. That's a big
Speaker 3: that's a big man, that's.
Speaker 2: A lot of weight that you're asking to get up
Speaker 2: and down the court playing thirty five thirty seven minutes
Speaker 2: a night at three hundred and thirty five, three hundred
Speaker 2: and forty five pounds, and you're asking him to play
Speaker 2: at least seventy games a season.
Speaker 3: And that's asking an awful lot.
Speaker 2: Gil And so had he taken care of himself, put
Speaker 2: the time in the condition, put the time in to
Speaker 2: eat right, even without the because a lot he missed
Speaker 2: a lot of games because of injuries. So even even
Speaker 2: without the files, just being on the court, just think
Speaker 2: about he just being on the court.
Speaker 3: Go get you twenty four twenty five to night.
Speaker 1: What they know today they didn't know that, and right,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like even today you tell Janni's, hey,
Speaker 1: you need to work on your jump shot to extend
Speaker 1: your career, to make the game easier.
Speaker 3: It's an MVP and a champ, right right, we.
Speaker 1: Look stupid telling them that, just like people will look
Speaker 1: stupid telling Shaq, who got the MVP finals in VP
Speaker 1: three rings, that hey, man, you need to get in shape.
Speaker 3: He gonna look at you for what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, right now, I'm the best player in the
Speaker 1: league right now.
Speaker 3: Anybody you give me the guy that's eating Saturday, I'm
Speaker 3: a bus his head. Yeah. So that's that's that's how Shack,
Speaker 3: That's how Shaq thought.
Speaker 2: But you're right because once it's hard to convince somebody
Speaker 2: when they've had success doing it their way, to convince
Speaker 2: them to change it. Gilts like, change what. I'm a
Speaker 2: two time league MVP, I'm a finals MVP. Shaq is like,
Speaker 2: brug Do you see how dominant I am? Yeah, but
Speaker 2: just think about how dominant you could have been. Because
Speaker 2: see the thing like, see this is the thing that
Speaker 2: you love about Kobe, Mike and Lebron. No matter what
Speaker 2: you think about each player, there's no doubt in your mind.
Speaker 2: They empty the tank. They got everything out of their
Speaker 2: god given ability. There's nothing when Lebron. Lebron probably just
Speaker 2: gonna be being in the middle of a game and
Speaker 2: just pull aside the road.
Speaker 3: Hey I'm done.
Speaker 2: Just like you know, you got a car and that
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're not paying attention to that
Speaker 2: red light, come on, you out of gas, and all
Speaker 2: you can do is just hopefully you're not on the
Speaker 2: pull five in the middle of the full five and
Speaker 2: you can just get on to the side and get
Speaker 2: on off. That's that's that's how Lebron is. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's taking care of his body and everybody's coming in.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you're gonna have a twenty year career,
Speaker 2: like a twenty plus career like Lebron's, like Lebron, but
Speaker 2: it greatly increases your chance if you take care of yourself,
Speaker 2: if you get your risk, if you train, if you
Speaker 2: get your shots up, try to get better every year,
Speaker 2: because Lebron is not as athletic as he once was.
Speaker 2: Because that's what I tell guys. When athletics starts the way,
Speaker 2: then what are you gonna do? Because when you can't
Speaker 2: outrun somebody. You can't out jump somebody.
Speaker 3: Then what.
Speaker 1: This Yep, my mind, it's it's just it's just it's understanding,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's your purpose too, you know.
Speaker 3: The purpose is Jordan's purpose was to be the greatest ever?
Speaker 1: Right, yes, So with that being said, that's that's him
Speaker 1: getting better into like, okay, this is what I need
Speaker 1: to bring in. Is so when he went into the summer,
Speaker 1: he self checked himself. He didn't go off the glory
Speaker 1: of the accolades itself. It was just he was a
Speaker 1: hard worker. Yes, right, yes, that was the model. Klobe
Speaker 1: followed him. Yes, right, I'm chasing that. I'm not chasing
Speaker 1: the NBA players here. They're not on my they're not
Speaker 1: on my planet. I want that dude, right, guess what
Speaker 1: Lebron is looking at. So because they're looking at the
Speaker 1: same two men, they have to keep going right, And
Speaker 1: I tell a lot of players that do not.
Speaker 3: Follow someone that's not on the planet. So when you
Speaker 3: look up, you can see how far so you can
Speaker 3: keep moving forward. You start looking in real time.
Speaker 1: You know this guy's here that no, no, no, look
Speaker 1: at Michael Jordane, look at Kareem, Look at these guys
Speaker 1: that they look like they're it's impossible to catch them.
Speaker 3: And when your career is.
Speaker 1: Done, even if you didn't get to them, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be far better than the people you was on the
Speaker 1: same planet with.
Speaker 2: I think the thing is gil what Michael did. He
Speaker 2: was the first player to give something, give other players
Speaker 2: someone to chase. He was the rabbit that they were
Speaker 2: chasing because proud of Mike. I mean, Kareem. It wasn't Will,
Speaker 2: it wasn't Russell. Mike gave somebody like, Okay, I need
Speaker 2: to be like Mike. Those commercials, those shoes, the blueprint
Speaker 2: the way I mean Mike. You ain't see Mike unless
Speaker 2: he was impeccably dressed. You see Michael a twist suit.
Speaker 2: Mikeel have that they ain't gonna have that hoop in
Speaker 2: his ear. Might gonna be, Hey, Mike gonna be having
Speaker 2: that Sue had no more bigs, gonna have them blue
Speaker 2: foot so that they ain't gonna the ain't gonna be fitted,
Speaker 2: but Mike gonna be impeccably dressed. So he gave you
Speaker 2: the blueprint of how to build a brand. And so
Speaker 2: he gave you the He gave you the blueprint this
Speaker 2: is the way you need to conduct yourself. This is
Speaker 2: what you need to do. For the first time they
Speaker 2: had someone to chase, they gave you he He.
Speaker 1: Was the the idea of what a star supposed to
Speaker 1: look like. Walk talk score like. When people think about
Speaker 1: the knock on Lebron, it's not clutch. He don't take
Speaker 1: the game win. That came because of Michael Jordan's right.
Speaker 3: That wasn't in the Wilson all those guys. Was it
Speaker 3: in the resume?
Speaker 1: You didn't use that against players, But when you sat
Speaker 1: there and said I need one of those, it was
Speaker 1: everything he wrung.
Speaker 3: But you know what, Gil Lebron has more game wining
Speaker 3: shots than Jordan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this notion that he is at clutch, you know,
Speaker 2: people started that myth.
Speaker 3: It got perpetuated.
Speaker 2: These people feel if I tell it loud enough, people
Speaker 2: are starting to believe it, even though it's not the truth.
Speaker 2: And so you know, repeating a lot doesn't make it true.
Speaker 2: But if you tell a lie long enough, people are
Speaker 2: starting to believe it as the truth.
Speaker 3: Go back and look at Lebron in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Look at Lebron against Indiana, look at him against Chicago,
Speaker 2: against US too, y'all look at that team he got
Speaker 2: to the NBA Finals against the Celtics.
Speaker 3: That was the one on four. You mean to tell
Speaker 3: me he wasn't clutch.
Speaker 1: You know what it is, Uh, it ain't about the clutch.
Speaker 1: It's about how that clutch shot looked. Right, when you
Speaker 1: think about all of Jordan's clutch shots, they just looked
Speaker 1: like it looked like movie scripts.
Speaker 3: Right, he held the poles.
Speaker 2: They remember the double clutch against Craig Elo because Craig
Speaker 2: Lelo has got the block it. He moved it to
Speaker 2: the he moved it back this way. Shot it. It's
Speaker 2: it's it's the whole. That's why I said he was
Speaker 2: meant for that spot.
Speaker 1: Right when you go back in the archives and you
Speaker 1: start looking up game winners, his game winners just look
Speaker 1: better than everybody else's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what it was. I mean, the tongue
Speaker 3: hanging out.
Speaker 2: You know, he had the baggage shorts, he had the
Speaker 2: Denis lee pulled down over his calf, he had he
Speaker 2: had the wristband on his elbow. He was slightly pigeon
Speaker 2: told he kind of you know, he got a dapt
Speaker 2: when he was walking and so and and when they
Speaker 2: came out. I mean I think it was gatorade that
Speaker 2: came be like Mike, that was it.
Speaker 3: That was it. That might be the greatest. Look.
Speaker 2: That might be the greatest because now people associated that
Speaker 2: that's who I want to be like. And the and
Speaker 2: the shoes just took it to a whole new level
Speaker 2: because people actually lead that. I ain't you. That's the
Speaker 2: shoes that got you doing that. Man, let me go
Speaker 2: get me a pair, and I have me a forty
Speaker 2: inch vernacle. Everybody.
Speaker 1: You had light skinned man out there cutting their head
Speaker 1: trying to look like Mike.
Speaker 3: Yeah, situation. It didn't matter what color your team was.
Speaker 2: You could be greedy gold, you could be black and
Speaker 2: gold you had all ready. You had a red and
Speaker 2: white shoe though, bro, that don't even match. You didn't
Speaker 2: get a black uniform. You got to get an all
Speaker 2: black uniform.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I mean you saw guys with probably all different kinds
Speaker 2: of color and they had the Jordans on and and
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, nobody, I don't care how good
Speaker 2: the shoe is. There might be a shoe that comes
Speaker 2: along give it might add three or four inches to
Speaker 2: your birth. It ain't passing the Jordan, it ain't that
Speaker 2: too big a believe. It's the idea. It's the idea
Speaker 2: of perfection, right, it's the idea of perfection. And if
Speaker 2: it don't, if it don't look like it, right, it's
Speaker 2: never gonna measure up.
Speaker 1: And there's nothing that's gonna come into the league that
Speaker 1: has everything Jordan had not in our lifetime.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not going to happen. And so, uh,
Speaker 2: that's that's where we are. I mean, he came up
Speaker 2: and the thing was gil. I remember, there are a
Speaker 2: lot of guys that had shoes. Magic had the weapons.
Speaker 2: He and Bird Kareem had the top ten of Zita's. Uh,
Speaker 2: Doctor j had the cons. But once the player retired,
Speaker 2: Once the player retired, the shoe line went wait nobod,
Speaker 2: they didn't make the weapons anymore. They didn't make the
Speaker 2: Doctor Jay's anymore. Jordan was the only one who retired.
Speaker 2: They kept making a shoe and it's bigger.
Speaker 1: Listen, nobody got beat up ing on goddamn Magic Johnson's
Speaker 1: and Lady birds Hell Dog.
Speaker 3: I had them.
Speaker 2: I moved up the river. I had I had the weapons.
Speaker 2: I had the Magic and the birds. I had the
Speaker 2: Geordans to my mom and I got the Jordan two's
Speaker 2: ended up backtracking and getting the Jordan Ones. I had
Speaker 2: the spud Webs, the City Wing Ponies, I had the
Speaker 2: Doctor j the Yeah. But there was something about that shoe.
Speaker 2: You felt special. You felt special with that shoe.
Speaker 1: That was a nice I mean, I mean, just to
Speaker 1: be honest, like it was one of those things where
Speaker 1: we stood in them. It was like when the Jordan's dropped,
Speaker 1: it was a kid's It was a kid's event. Yes,
Speaker 1: I remember they used to drop it on what Tuesdays,
Speaker 1: Tuesday's ten o'clock. We ain't in school, right, We at
Speaker 1: the foot locker and we as soon as I get him,
Speaker 1: we running the lunch a.
Speaker 3: I got him. We did get Rob going back to school.
Speaker 3: If we didn't get it Rob going back to school,
Speaker 3: we cry because we had them first.
Speaker 1: But they drop them during the weekday and we used
Speaker 1: to get them at ten. We're gonna get the shoes first,
Speaker 1: then we're gonna come to school.
Speaker 2: And they talked about it and then they put them
Speaker 2: on the weekend and then to gil. You know, man,
Speaker 2: I ain't paying no hundle dollfs on those shoes. Don't
Speaker 2: worry about it. There are a lot of people that
Speaker 2: will you won't well, you won't get a pair man
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars because most of the time the hue like
Speaker 2: twenty five fifty dollars.
Speaker 3: He doubled the price, double them.
Speaker 2: He doubled the price one hundred dollars for a pair
Speaker 2: of shoes back in the mid eighties. Was acid was crazy,
Speaker 2: but we had never seen anything like it because the
Speaker 2: shoes were just basically one colorway. So now you got
Speaker 2: a double or triple colorwave red, black and white. Yeah, red,
Speaker 2: the bread the red, the black and the red. So
Speaker 2: that changed the game. And like you knew it, they
Speaker 2: couldn't wory about to find David Sturt said, We're gonna
Speaker 2: fidre you a five thousand, Like di, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: We got that one thousand. They was finding the five thousand.
Speaker 2: But the publicity that they were getting for that, where
Speaker 2: else are you gonna get that kind of attention, that
Speaker 2: kind of eyeballs, because that's what advertise. You want to see. Well,
Speaker 2: who's looking at it? How many impressions is he getting? Well,
Speaker 2: that shoe got millions and millions of impressions, even before
Speaker 2: we knew what impressions were, but they knew what that
Speaker 2: Jordan's shoe was and it hadn't looked back. The NBA
Speaker 2: Draft is moving to a two night event. Do you
Speaker 2: like the NBA draft trying to be more like the
Speaker 2: NFL draft?
Speaker 3: Certainly what the.
Speaker 2: NBA draft is moving to a two night event? Do
Speaker 2: you like it just trying to be like the NFL?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: One is dumb because it ain't. This ain't the NFL.
Speaker 1: Right, you ain't gonna find Tom Brady's in the seventh round,
Speaker 1: you'd like, Right, no one's watching the draft after lottery.
Speaker 1: So unless it's gonna be the first day the first
Speaker 1: five picks, and then the second day everybody else after
Speaker 1: the lottery pick, we not watching no more because after
Speaker 1: the lottery pick, how many superstars are we getting?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean in the last one since two thousand, since
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, the only all stars is what Passal and
Speaker 1: Jokisch Wow? After the lottery? So what the hell are
Speaker 1: we watching this the second.
Speaker 3: Day for exactly? And that's the fact. And here's the thing, Gil.
Speaker 2: A lot of it has to do with we never
Speaker 2: heard of these guys, these guys that come from overseas
Speaker 2: unless you die hardest of the NBA fans, you've never
Speaker 2: heard of these guys. So it's not like the NFL,
Speaker 2: you've heard all these guys that's coming from Alabama, Ohio State,
Speaker 2: or Michigan.
Speaker 3: They're coming from teams that you've heard. And the NBA
Speaker 3: does a.
Speaker 2: Great job of leading up to the draft talking about
Speaker 2: said individuals that could be in the first round and
Speaker 2: the second round. So I don't look, I get it.
Speaker 2: Everybody's trying to keep up, but the NFL. Look, the
Speaker 2: NFL has cornered the market. They've cornered the market. There's
Speaker 2: a reason why they're doing twenty five thirty fifty million,
Speaker 2: fifty million viewers in a game.
Speaker 3: The NBA. The NBA would like, how do we do that?
Speaker 3: You can't. You can't because no, go ahead, Gil, go ahead,
Speaker 3: You just can't. You can't.
Speaker 1: And unless you're gonna go backwards, Unless you're gonna go backwards, right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Start with the last pick, you get the first in that?
Speaker 1: Why why am I watching the second round? Who wants
Speaker 1: to see Mark Tatum come up?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that part of is that Tatum's uncle? Hold up, Well,
Speaker 1: no one knows him. He's calling in the second not
Speaker 1: the commissioner, right, David sterndon't call my name, right, I
Speaker 1: don't even know who.
Speaker 3: Called my name.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's Adam Silver, the one who's doing
Speaker 1: it now this round, Mark Tatum, he coming up there.
Speaker 3: But no, get off the stage, man.
Speaker 1: This is like watching the second round is like watching
Speaker 1: De City's Child without Beyonce not coming to that.
Speaker 2: Y'all, Well we ain't coming either, exactly. And so I
Speaker 2: mean I understand. I mean it's a situation that that
Speaker 2: the NBA is trying to like im plus. You know
Speaker 2: your advertise, you stretch it out. But the NBA of
Speaker 2: corner that market, they know, think about what they did.
Speaker 2: They put sold the Saturday in that game, put it
Speaker 2: on Peacock. And guess what game they put on Peacock
Speaker 2: to Kansas City Why Taylor Swill guess who the game?
Speaker 2: Those young girls eyeballs that you normally wouldn't get. But
Speaker 2: in order for them to get it, you gotta have Peacock.
Speaker 2: Peacock paid. I'm seeing they played one hundred, one hundred
Speaker 2: and ten million dollars just to televise one game. But
Speaker 2: we're gonna get eyeballs that we don't normally get. That's
Speaker 2: why they show on Taylor Swift. I'm not bad. I'm
Speaker 2: not bad at them. I'm not. This is a business
Speaker 2: and Taylor Swift bring young girls that don't that doesn't
Speaker 2: normally watch football. They bring those eyes, and the NFL
Speaker 2: understands that. That's why they keep showing on them. And
Speaker 2: y'all could take it. Y'all can say, oh, I didn't,
Speaker 2: I didn't have watched the game. It's not like you
Speaker 2: turn it so I I'm not mad at the NFL.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad. I mean, but what you wanted to do?
Speaker 2: You don't want it to come to the game and
Speaker 2: support the man.
Speaker 1: No, No, seriously, I mean they milking it. They know how,
Speaker 1: But that's not the end. That's not the NBA. NBA
Speaker 1: kicking around as two B. It's the two v Ain't
Speaker 1: nobody watching that sh right?
Speaker 2: Someone named Ocho Sinko Johnson just donated four hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: I beat I beat Shaq when he's the l s
Speaker 2: U one on one. Bro, everybody saw you running the
Speaker 2: Ray Lewis and get paying cake. Kick your damnself?
Speaker 3: How this Oak show? God damn.
Speaker 2: Broh. But you like a mosquito on the rhino ass.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't even failt you back there?
Speaker 1: Hey, actually we might take you with the We might
Speaker 1: take you with the Lakers. Bad throw that out there,
Speaker 1: mad mad mad o cho band Shaq would have punished oo,
Speaker 1: mean you got bid you?
Speaker 3: First of all, he don't know how to play defense
Speaker 3: down of the block.
Speaker 2: All Shaq go to do is just drop step and
Speaker 2: when he swing his elbow, there he gonna be in
Speaker 2: the second row. So shows the funniest man. Bad that dude,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you got going on. Charles Barkley
Speaker 2: to Night said his New Year's resolution is to give
Speaker 2: up diet coke. Gil, what's your advice and what's your
Speaker 2: New Year's real? I don't have New Year's resolutions.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: The reason is one, it's it's it's just another day, right,
Speaker 1: And when you do resolutions, to me, it seems like
Speaker 1: you have a flaw in something. Right. I need to
Speaker 1: give up, right, you need to New Year to do that.
Speaker 1: Just get it shit upright, you know. So I don't
Speaker 1: usually have those. I have goals. Just just set right,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm trying to be you know, fifty fifty
Speaker 1: million views over.
Speaker 3: All, that's just the goal. I'm trying. There's no time
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 1: It's just this is where I want to get to, right,
Speaker 1: because all these New year goals do is well, I
Speaker 1: need to get in shape. You got thirty one days
Speaker 1: in your ass is back to normal because you didn't
Speaker 1: have the discipline. You didn't create the habits to do
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do the next day.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: The thing of gil is that when you look at it,
Speaker 2: when you sell a goal or you sell a diet,
Speaker 2: they have a start and an end time. So let
Speaker 2: me ask you a question. Once you reach your resolution,
Speaker 2: then what hopefully you go back? Do you go do
Speaker 2: you go back to Okay? I did it and start
Speaker 2: eating or whatever whatever whatever you wanted to give up.
Speaker 3: So once you accomplished that, then what sir? So?
Speaker 1: I had a soda habit and I was like, I
Speaker 1: need to break I need to break this habit.
Speaker 3: Right, And because I understand how many sold you would
Speaker 3: drinking to day kill seven seven don't watch.
Speaker 1: God, I mean hit them a like a like it
Speaker 1: was like it was barbecue. I'll finish just like that.
Speaker 1: I was drinking seven wow. So But because I I
Speaker 1: I broke the soda habit. How I trained, right? I
Speaker 1: had to create the habit first. So the habit was,
Speaker 1: if I'm doing seven a day this first week, get
Speaker 1: it down to six a day, then the next week
Speaker 1: three a day.
Speaker 3: Then it would days like towards before I gave it up.
Speaker 1: I'm just taking a sip, throwing it out, sip, throwing
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 3: And then it became two SIPs a week.
Speaker 1: Right now, I haven't drinking any soda, right, And that's
Speaker 1: how I do stuff like if I want to if
Speaker 1: I want to get in shape, I'm you know, I
Speaker 1: wanted to lose fifty pounds and I was two seventy
Speaker 1: you know last year and I was trying to lose
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So what you get down to now, the SODA's hunk.
Speaker 2: That's a lot. That's a lot of that's a lot
Speaker 2: of caffeine. That's a lot of sugar.
Speaker 3: Out of sugar. I'm a sugar I'm a sugar guy.
Speaker 3: So I got down to I got I'm two twenty now,
Speaker 3: been to twenty four, but eight months an hour. But
Speaker 3: that started.
Speaker 1: Seven month journey where it was my goal was wake
Speaker 1: up every day and leave the house. I need to
Speaker 1: do that for a month, right, wake up every day,
Speaker 1: leave the house right then, once I got that under
Speaker 1: my belt, wake up every day, go to the gym.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily work out, just get to the gym right
Speaker 1: if I worked out twelve days too hard and then
Speaker 1: eventually I just started adding on to it.
Speaker 3: But I had to create those everyday habits first.
Speaker 1: And most people try to just say I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: in and I mean I'm gonna work out and do this,
Speaker 1: and then you go in there and then because that's
Speaker 1: not your natural habit and you haven't created that habit,
Speaker 1: you always fail to it.
Speaker 3: So set little goals first that you know you can do.
Speaker 1: Wake up every day, make the bed once you got
Speaker 1: that pack, check wait yere date, get out of the house.
Speaker 2: But you gotta make the band ogil because you know,
Speaker 2: you don't shut the covers more dark, so the bed
Speaker 2: all mess it.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't chuck the covers more dumb. But
Speaker 3: you got to create those habits. People don't want to
Speaker 3: create the habits first.
Speaker 1: So if you can't, if you don't have any habits
Speaker 1: that you do every day, then you can't.
Speaker 3: Be successful anyway. This is just life goals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing is the thing is that
Speaker 2: my grandpa used to tell my brother and I. He said, boys,
Speaker 2: never a mistake habit for hard work. Sometimes people feel
Speaker 2: like just because they do something over and over, they
Speaker 2: work hard. We've seen people go to the gym five years,
Speaker 2: ten years, and anybody never changed.
Speaker 3: Well, see, that's a habit.
Speaker 2: That's a routine in which you've established going at nine o'clock,
Speaker 2: ten o'clock. But you're not working hard because your body
Speaker 2: hasn't changed. So what it tells me that you're not
Speaker 2: working hard or you haven't changed your eating habits, whichever
Speaker 2: the case may be, it's a habit. Some people like, man,
Speaker 2: I wake up and I work up at six o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning, okay, and do what man? I just
Speaker 2: get Okay, So I mean hell bees are busy. Tell
Speaker 2: I mean you do the damn thing. At least bees
Speaker 2: they have, you know, they moving stuff around, they're building,
Speaker 2: they building, you know, a hide or a comb or
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. So this notion just because
Speaker 2: you've established a habit that you're working hard, you're fooling yourself.
Speaker 3: Too many people mistake habit for hard work. And so.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't do dark dyts because diets have
Speaker 2: start stops they have end dates.
Speaker 3: I have a lifestyle.
Speaker 2: I eat a certain way, and then when I eat
Speaker 2: too much of that one thing, now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I get back and say, Okay, I gotta cut this out.
Speaker 2: I gotta get back on my got to get back
Speaker 2: on the cardio. I gotta get back on the roll
Speaker 2: machine and get back on the salt bike. And that's
Speaker 2: so me. But uh, these people, they'd be fooling themselves.
Speaker 2: I'll be a damn get I want to call you man.
Speaker 3: When you do Hey, hey, listen, you do four shows?
Speaker 3: It on your God damn, I'm on yoe.
Speaker 2: Okay, but people people be, people be thinking they're working
Speaker 2: hard Gill, and they really not.
Speaker 3: But that's self checking.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: That was me too.
Speaker 1: I was going in the gym, you know a lot,
Speaker 1: and just sitting there. I was booty watching. Not gonna
Speaker 1: lie everybody, no booty watching, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: They had a little tiny they had a little tiny
Speaker 2: shorts on. Oh look, I mean Woodland Hills on coming
Speaker 2: in there, make up everything gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you ain't trying to work out, you try trying
Speaker 3: to catch come out there, judge like.
Speaker 1: You were that yesterday girl. You mustn't go home, right,
Speaker 1: I mean they're just booty watching. I wasn't in there
Speaker 1: trying to lose no weight. And then eventually it start
Speaker 1: packing up. I started looking fat on TV that line.
Speaker 1: I mean, go ahead and take this, take this serious.
Speaker 2: Let me get this off. Ridney, my whomeboy, Ridney Dnkins Rock.
Speaker 2: What's up? I got my fourth bottle of Portier on
Speaker 2: the way. Also, I asked Ray about needing to reach
Speaker 2: out to your team about trying to come on your
Speaker 2: show for the Olympics. I was pleased with his response,
Speaker 2: that's my homeboy. His dad used to coach me on
Speaker 2: when I was on a I probably how it was.
Speaker 2: I probably was like nine. I probably was nine, So
Speaker 2: I've been He's from my hometown. We called him Rock,
Speaker 2: and so I appreciate the support.
Speaker 3: Rock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure if they've reached out back after you
Speaker 2: and gave you a response, they own it. Uh two
Speaker 2: Pinet three snipers said, hey, uh Ca, and about your
Speaker 2: big fan, this is for Gil. If you could take
Speaker 2: injuries out, how high do you think you would have
Speaker 2: reached in NBA Greats Top seventy five, top fifty.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I mean I would have been top
Speaker 3: seventy five for sure.
Speaker 1: You know, what I was doing at that time was
Speaker 1: unheard of, right, you know, I was a three time
Speaker 1: All Star, three time All NBA.
Speaker 3: By the age of twenty five.
Speaker 1: That's not a big list, you know, being dominated that fast,
Speaker 1: you know, averaging twenty eight twenty nine. So I was
Speaker 1: gonna win a scoring title, you know, with the way
Speaker 1: my metrics was running, I was gonna win a scoring title.
Speaker 3: You know, Dwayne Wade end up winning one with thirty.
Speaker 1: So you know, once everyone started getting their teams better,
Speaker 1: and I was gonna be one of those guys that
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: That led the league in scoring. I had the advantage.
Speaker 1: You know, everyone thought AI was the guy who changed
Speaker 1: the point guard position.
Speaker 3: It was me because they moved him to the.
Speaker 1: Two when I came in, bigger guard, a shooting guard
Speaker 1: played the point.
Speaker 3: I didn't have a big man to pass the ball
Speaker 3: down there too, right, So I.
Speaker 1: Had the advantage over the Baron Davis, the Stefan Maulberry's,
Speaker 1: the Steve Nashes. So you know, you given you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen and fourteen assists, I'm giving third the points and
Speaker 1: six assists, I'm pushing more points than you, right, right,
Speaker 1: total points. I'm pushing more than you at this point.
Speaker 1: So I got injured, you know, and and it's one
Speaker 1: of those things. But my impact was so so so
Speaker 1: huge and fast that I'm.
Speaker 2: Still relevant today. What what injury did you have, Gail?
Speaker 2: And what happened? Did you come back too soon?
Speaker 3: Did he.
Speaker 2: Did you cut back too soon? Did it not fix
Speaker 2: it properly? To begin with, I was boxing out. I
Speaker 2: don't know why the hell I was boxing out of hum.
Speaker 2: I was boxing out. Uh you know, Jered Wallace fake
Speaker 2: fake the jumper. I thought he was gonna take it.
Speaker 2: But I should have known it was Jared Wallace.
Speaker 1: He can't shoot ship, so I should have known there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a pump faking drive.
Speaker 3: But he pump fake drove.
Speaker 1: I'm boxing out thinking he shot the ball, and then
Speaker 1: he ran he ran into me, and then tour UHM
Speaker 1: M c l p c l M meniscus. And then
Speaker 1: because I've never knew what an injury was, I didn't
Speaker 1: really rehab the way.
Speaker 3: I was supposed to.
Speaker 1: So I came back, you know, came back as soon
Speaker 1: as the season started. Eight games intil the season started,
Speaker 1: I'm injured again. So I had three after I had
Speaker 1: three knee surgeries in fourteen months and all that trauma
Speaker 1: built up, all this scar tissue, and you the same
Speaker 1: after that.
Speaker 5: Nah.
Speaker 1: And I think I really messed my hand up on
Speaker 1: Lebron that cav series because I needed to come back
Speaker 1: and play right because my contract is coming up, and
Speaker 1: because my name was still hot and they still had
Speaker 1: I'm still.
Speaker 3: Good in the eyes.
Speaker 1: I had to come in there and play two games
Speaker 1: to show that they am back right.
Speaker 3: And what happened is.
Speaker 1: Lebron ran into my wrists and you know, I couldn't shoot,
Speaker 1: so they gave me one of those tortos shots in
Speaker 1: my ass. I had to bend over and I hyper
Speaker 1: extended my my injured need right, which that took forever
Speaker 1: to rehab. So rle be thinking I'm superman. Yes, Yes, And.
Speaker 2: Plus I think the thing is we know more now.
Speaker 2: You're probably became out better. Missing the whole year, probably
Speaker 2: came out better missing the whole year, came back to
Speaker 2: following year.
Speaker 3: But I get it.
Speaker 2: Understand that your contract was up, and like you said,
Speaker 2: you wanted to parlay that into another big contract, knowing,
Speaker 2: not knowing, you're probably doing more harm than good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's one of those I risked my career for
Speaker 1: that next contract.
Speaker 2: Yeah you did, You absolutely did. Jordan asked, would you
Speaker 2: rather have embiid or Y'll getch on your team. Shack
Speaker 2: recently said on this podcast, we know Joe Ebid is
Speaker 2: the best big man when it comes to numbers and
Speaker 2: all that, But Djoko went to the Big Dance and
Speaker 2: got the thing done. We know what, we know what
Speaker 2: you can do, but can you do it at the
Speaker 2: at the Big Dance? Can you get the phone number
Speaker 2: at the Big Dance and take home and close the deal?
Speaker 3: Who you won't who you won't?
Speaker 1: Giel I'm gonna I'm gonna take I'm gonna take him Bead.
Speaker 1: The reason I'm gonna take him beat is because if
Speaker 1: I don't have anyone on my team, I know he
Speaker 1: can dominate, right, and he can dominate by himself right right,
Speaker 1: And it's my job to find pieces that work with him.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Jokic, Yokic, You're gonna need guys who can shoot the
Speaker 1: ball that he can pass the ball to. You got
Speaker 1: to treat him like Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson. You have
Speaker 1: to put other guys around that can make plays when
Speaker 1: he finds them. So if he has a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of guys who can't shoot the ball, who can't do
Speaker 1: anything else, then you're just left with twenty two and
Speaker 1: twelve rebounds, right, and you take away his assists.
Speaker 3: His assist comes because his vision.
Speaker 1: If he can't use his vision, right, if he can't
Speaker 1: use his vision, then in a sense, he's just an
Speaker 1: average double and double guy. And that's why he went
Speaker 1: in the second round because when he's working out, he's
Speaker 1: not working out with five other players where he gets
Speaker 1: to use his passing skills.
Speaker 3: Right, So.
Speaker 1: Ahead need to be I would need to be smarter
Speaker 1: as a general manager with Jokic. I have to put
Speaker 1: the right pieces around Yokis would him be I can
Speaker 1: fuck up a couple of times in the draft and
Speaker 1: he can carry us for a little bit. That's you know,
Speaker 1: That's how I look at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing is I'm gonna take Jokic
Speaker 2: because I think the thing is that the way they
Speaker 2: built their team in Philly and the way I mean, look,
Speaker 2: they built their team. So Joel Eid everybody runs the
Speaker 2: offense because there have been times Nicola Jokic could impact
Speaker 2: the game and only take ten shots Joel doesn't have
Speaker 2: the same impact without those without those attempts because he's
Speaker 2: getting to the foul line. So for me to watch
Speaker 2: him be able to go give me forty twenty and fifteen.
Speaker 2: And like they said, every big game, every big shot
Speaker 2: that they needed last year, in that moment, Nikola Jokic
Speaker 2: made the shot more he made the perfect pass.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's I mean, that's what I said.
Speaker 1: His value, his value comes, His value comes because he
Speaker 1: can pass that ball, right, And that's why I said,
Speaker 1: like I would have to be you know, Calvin Booth,
Speaker 1: we were teammates, So.
Speaker 3: You have to create That's what I said.
Speaker 1: You have to be smarter as a general manager when
Speaker 1: you have Jokic. Yes, right, I can. I can be
Speaker 1: done with Embiid, Right, you know I can. I could
Speaker 1: be Maury and I can do I could be Maury
Speaker 1: with with Embiid. You know, when when you having someone
Speaker 1: like Jokic, you have to put the right pieces to
Speaker 1: make sure that he's at that high level every single
Speaker 1: night where when he's not scoring, he can get your
Speaker 1: twenty assists.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh for sure, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 3: it's one of those.
Speaker 1: Things that you know, like I would have to be
Speaker 1: I would have to be very smart when I have
Speaker 1: a player like Jokic.
Speaker 2: Aaron Owens asked, I think d Rose would have won
Speaker 2: two or three rings and in top twenty five if
Speaker 2: he never gotten injured. What do you think, Gilan up,
Speaker 2: what do you think d Rose would have ranked had
Speaker 2: he not gotten injured?
Speaker 3: Ranked? Yes? Oh, I mean, I mean when you're talking
Speaker 3: about like dynamic guards, wow, I mean the Rose that
Speaker 3: he was different.
Speaker 2: He was He was Russell before Russell Restbrook. He was
Speaker 2: John Moran before John Moran, the explosive guy that played
Speaker 2: above the rim. And so there weren't there. Look, they
Speaker 2: weren't point guards. That was explosives as d Rose from
Speaker 2: end to end, and he played above the rim, which
Speaker 2: we had never seen a point guard play above the
Speaker 2: rim like d Rose could. Now we see what Russe
Speaker 2: has done, we see John Moran finishing at the rim
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But before those guys, d Rosse was in. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Even even like when you're talking about above the rim, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had like small guards back in the day, but not.
Speaker 3: In pactful like d Rose did.
Speaker 1: Right, but you know, his uh, his quickness and his
Speaker 1: speed with his explosion up was just different. It was
Speaker 1: just a he was just a different dude. You know,
Speaker 1: he could have argued if he would have stayed healthy.
Speaker 1: Of course he argues for you know, best point guard ever.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just one of those things that he
Speaker 1: was just different, seeing something different. The way he played
Speaker 1: the game. Hard knew how to knew how to get
Speaker 1: to the lane. You know, those type of guys you
Speaker 1: just get. He's just you look back and saying what
Speaker 1: could have been? What could have been?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna make Peenie Hardaway is in a
Speaker 1: different category because he was six seventy six eight.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you have Magic Johnson. He was more of
Speaker 2: a Magic Johnson type. Yeah, but could score the basketball
Speaker 2: and then he did have shot. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: what Magic had with Kareem. So, I mean sometimes people
Speaker 2: forget that Magic came into the league and Kareem was
Speaker 2: the m v P. Now let that think just the
Speaker 2: magine if Joe el Embiid is the m v P
Speaker 2: and they get Victor women Yama, Yeah, that's what that's
Speaker 2: that's what happened with the Lakers.
Speaker 3: Uh, they got Magic and Kareem was the MVP. Yep.
Speaker 3: And then they won a championship and got worthy.
Speaker 2: Yes, in eighty two they won the championship and yo,
Speaker 2: what yep, that's what happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So with that, Big said, Yil, we're gonna were
Speaker 3: gonna cut it short tonight. Man. I'm just I'm under
Speaker 3: the weather.
Speaker 1: I mean, man, I just want to give you flowers, man,
Speaker 1: and then and Jimmy for the audience out there. Look, listen,
Speaker 1: y'all see Unk out here struggling right, And the fact
Speaker 1: that he even hit the live, it just lets you
Speaker 1: know how dedicated he is. So when you sit thinking
Speaker 1: about dedication, the fact that he hit the live, been
Speaker 1: working all week and he's sick, you can you can
Speaker 1: see it. And the fact that you know, that's what
Speaker 1: greatness is, that that is Jordan in the flu game.
Speaker 1: You know what you're doing tonight. You know we can
Speaker 1: see you, we can hear it. And the fact that
Speaker 1: you even hit the live to even come out here
Speaker 1: and let you know how dedicated you are. And this
Speaker 1: is for people who's really trying to see what it
Speaker 1: takes to be great. Their now excuses, you still give
Speaker 1: the fans what they deserve, even if it's for an hour,
Speaker 1: hour and a half twy minutes.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: So hey, I looked at you as number one before. Huh,
Speaker 1: this is your championship for me. You know what I mean, Sit,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. See it in the fact that you're
Speaker 1: still going. That's another level of dedication, man. Like. So
Speaker 1: when I get sick and I don't want to do something,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna think about. Man uncle, he's
Speaker 1: struggling man doing his thing, so I can't no let
Speaker 1: the party go. I had a professor in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: seven named Norman Elmill Rest your soul, doctor Elmore.
Speaker 3: And it was cold.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about really really cold that day, and the
Speaker 2: heat wasn't working, and so it would probably only three
Speaker 2: people that showed up for the class.
Speaker 3: Remember him walking in. He never had a book back.
Speaker 3: He had all these books.
Speaker 2: And if you went to Savannah State and was talked
Speaker 2: by doctor Norman Elmore, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: And he came and had all these books and he
Speaker 2: threw them on the desk. He said, you know, I
Speaker 2: almost didn't show up today, but I thought somebody might
Speaker 2: want to learn something. I thought someone want to be educated,
Speaker 2: be informed, And so that's what I said, I almost
Speaker 2: like ash Man, I'm struggling today, but I thought someone
Speaker 2: want to be entertained, someone will want to be educated,
Speaker 2: someone want to be informed, And so I showed up
Speaker 2: and gave you my best. Hopefully the medication that I've
Speaker 2: received over the last couple of days would take effect,
Speaker 2: and Saturday I'll be a lot better. But I don't
Speaker 2: make any show up to get me. I got some
Speaker 2: nurses that do the things for you. No, no, no, no, no, Now,
Speaker 2: I don't want to get them sick. Uh, what's them, y'all?
Speaker 2: What's them? Y'all don't know about that. I told you
Speaker 2: those are better than them. Jumpman's you poured our last week? Man,
Speaker 2: go ahead over that, Gil bad, Come on, man, let
Speaker 2: that go stolen my gill throw me out?
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, this this episode is on Flue game man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it was, all right, enjoy
Speaker 3: your name. Well we'll we'll see what's up.
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