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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Dowdy and I'm Deblina Chocolate Bardies, and today

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Speaker 1: Debilina and I are going to be talking about dogs,

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Speaker 1: but specifically war dogs. Yes, I mean dogs are one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite topics. Anyway, I am a your dog. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm the owner of an adorable wheat and terrier named Juley,

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Speaker 1: and I talked about him, probably way too much, but

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Speaker 1: that's not what inspired this podcast. Um. Actually, the news did, right, Sarah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: war dogs have been in the news quite a bit lately,

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Speaker 1: as I'm sure many of you have realized. After Osama

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Speaker 1: bin Laden was killed and it was revealed that a

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Speaker 1: war dog, more appropriately a military working dog was present, Um,

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Speaker 1: it got people's attention. People wanted to know about these

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Speaker 1: militarily inclined dogs. It It's been on our minds really

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Speaker 1: for longer than that, because we have quite a bit

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Speaker 1: of Animal Planet content that we work on here at

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Speaker 1: how stuffworks dot com, and um, war dogs come up

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Speaker 1: from time to time, and those articles. Yeah, actually, one

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Speaker 1: that we're going to mention today came up last year

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Speaker 1: when we were editing some bully breed content, so that

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Speaker 1: will be something that you can read about later too, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And we even have an article on war dogs too,

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Speaker 1: which will throw to you at the end. But our

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Speaker 1: very own editor, Alison louder Milk, recommended it to her

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Speaker 1: to us and it was sort of the final push

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Speaker 1: to get us going on this topic. But we have

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Speaker 1: talked about dogs before, or rather Katie and Candice have

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Speaker 1: more like historical pooches of famous people, and Katie and

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Speaker 1: I have talked about war horses of history, so Napoleon's Marango,

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Speaker 1: Roberty Lee's traveler, Babiaka who is Il Sid's horse. But

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Speaker 1: in case you haven't listened to that episode, we really

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Speaker 1: didn't get much beyond the Civil War because horses, of course,

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Speaker 1: even though they were used for thousands of years in

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Speaker 1: battle all around the world, eventually became obsolete military technology.

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Speaker 1: That is not the case with dogs. No war dogs

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Speaker 1: and Sah mentioned they're now more properly called military working

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Speaker 1: dogs were used probably as far back as when humans

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Speaker 1: domesticated the gray wolf, and they're still used today. Since

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Speaker 1: there's still no better means of detecting an i e. D.

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Speaker 1: Than a dog's nose yea, even the most complex technology

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Speaker 1: can't compete. And there are a few qualities and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna see these pop up in the different dogs, the

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Speaker 1: different individual dogs we talk about. But a few qualities

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Speaker 1: that make dogs useful for warfare throughout history. One, their

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Speaker 1: strength and loyalty makes them really good fighters. Also, their

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Speaker 1: endurance makes them good messengers, and their intelligence and eagerness

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Speaker 1: to please make them trainable. Yeah, and then there's their

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Speaker 1: size too, and that's something which of course varies a

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Speaker 1: lot between breeds, and it makes them either really big

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Speaker 1: where pep bull can't very easily go. So, starting sort

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Speaker 1: of in the early days with ancient warfare, ancient Persians, Syrians, Babylonians,

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Speaker 1: and Greeks all are known to have used dogs in war,

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Speaker 1: usually as shock troops. They'd have a line of mastiffs,

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Speaker 1: which if I was fighting and a lot of mastiffs

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Speaker 1: pause for a minute. It's probably massives that you think

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Speaker 1: they're Egyptian monuments to that effect as far back as

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Speaker 1: But if you're thinking about war dogs today or even

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Speaker 1: You're probably thinking of two breeds in particular that are

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Speaker 1: major wars. And those are German Shepherds, which were bred

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Speaker 1: by Captain Max von Stephanits to be trainable, loyal, and intelligent.

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Speaker 1: The American Kennel Club describes them as or their characters

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Speaker 1: The other one of those major breeds as the Doberman pincher,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about before on our shipwreck episode. The mary Rose,

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Speaker 1: down with the ship, as did little Hatch. However, the

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Speaker 1: And according to Rear Admiral John Lippiatt of the mary

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Speaker 1: exciting life for poor little Hatch. But since she was

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Speaker 1: but evidence of only partial rats skeletons aboard the wreck

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Speaker 1: surprised that they had a dog as a rat, as

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Speaker 1: I kind of was. Cats apparently were considered bad luck

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Speaker 1: much it's pretty much not done dogs in warfare, at

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Speaker 1: war dog program during World War One, for example, but

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Speaker 1: there were still some mascot dogs here and there in

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Speaker 1: So Stubby got involved in the war effort during the

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Speaker 1: spring of nineteen seventeen, kind of by accident. He just

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Speaker 1: Private J. Robert Conroy became Stubbies primary caretaker and they

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Speaker 1: little affectionate ribbing there with the dog. So when it

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Speaker 1: According to one, Stubby was sleeping in a trench one

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of funny to imagine this little dog

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Speaker 1: batch of content about bully breeds and that's where Stubby

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Speaker 1: so I think you're probably right about that. But Stubby

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Speaker 1: received many honors for his heroics after the armistice. He

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Speaker 1: him a gold medal, and later Stubby was designated an

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Speaker 1: he was not forgotten. He was stuffed, although that's not

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Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting that more and more people

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Speaker 1: sure if that's how that one is pronounced, but um,

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Speaker 1: hasn't it really has? Um? Well, maybe for some more

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Speaker 1: photo essays that you sent me earlier of war dogs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are a couple great Rebecca Shaefer war dog galleries

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Speaker 1: know we did stick mostly to World War One, World

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Speaker 1: I especially love to know about any international war dogs

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