1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Everybody welcome to move the sticks, DJ and Bucky back 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: in California. And a h gosh, what a uh just 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: an awful twenty four hour period, um for not just 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: people that live in southern California like we do, but 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: people all over the globe. Um, with just the tragic 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: news that that took place, with the passing of Kobe Bryant, 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: his daughter, and seven other passengers on that helicopter. Um, 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do a lot of football talk today. 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: We're not gonna spend much time on this because I 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: know a lot of you are looking for something to 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: kind of get away from the sadness of the news 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: that transpired. Um, we're gonna talk about the Senior Bowl. 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about We're gonna roll some interviews we 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: had down there. But Buck, Um, I don't know how 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: you avoid it. I mean, I don't know how we 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: could avoid saying something at the top of the show 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: here about just an unspeakable tragedy. Yeah, I mean, like 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: really a horrifying tragedy when you think about like the law, 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: like you and I both parents, the loss of a 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: father and a daughter, the bond that they had UM, 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: the love and display that we most recently saw a 23 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: playout on Twitter when he and his already at the 24 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: game talking about the game, kind of like a shared 25 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: passion UM. But really the j I think the way 26 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: that we can talk about it in football terms is 27 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: we saw the outpoint of love, UM and support and 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: respect from all of these players and all of these 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: people around and it just led me to think about, 30 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: like what we all love as UM competitors is we 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: love seeing people compete at the highest level that kind 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: of really bring it on a daily basis. And I 33 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: think when you think about the Mamba mentality and why 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: is passing resonated with so many players, is because the 35 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: Mamba mentality is kind of like that ideal view of 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: who you kind of choose who you would like to 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: see yourself as as a competitor. So when you think 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: about COVID, you think about the preparedness, You think about 39 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: the work ethic, UH, you think about the grit and 40 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: the resilience that he displayed, the toughness mental and physical. Uh, 41 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: you think about the skill level and then the overall dominance. Well, 42 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: I think in each of our lives, we aspire to 43 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: have kind of like those kind of traits when we're 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: performing in our chosen field. And I think because of 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: this generation of players in football and basketball or whatever, 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: Kobe was kind of the guy that kind of was 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: the ideal thing to them. Like they talked about, you know, 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: the way that he worked five thirty n first, went in, 49 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: last one out, and all of those things. And I 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: think what I would do in terms of thinking about 51 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: Kobe and how I think about it as it relates 52 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: to guys that we're scouting. Kobe talked about being a 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: super talented overachiever. UM, I've used terms like, hey, man, 54 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: I want a guy who was a blue shift talent 55 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: with a blue color mentality. And so as we're coming 56 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: off the heels of the Senior Bowl, is can you 57 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: find those guys that are kind of like five star 58 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: players but they have like a walk on mentality. I 59 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: think Matt Rule kind of talked about that toughness that's 60 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: ultimately what you want. You want guys who don't kind 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: of see themselves as already arrived. The guys that UH 62 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: continue to aspire to have a level of greatness that 63 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: UH makes them kind of unbreakable, put some in legendary status. 64 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: I think that's what I'll take away from the passing, 65 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: like I want to find guys on my teams that 66 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: are around me that kind of have that spirit when 67 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: it comes to anything and everything that they do. You 68 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: just you put it beautifully, Buck, I can't say it 69 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: any better. The one thing I maybe would just add 70 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: is another thing that that you've talked about for a 71 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: long time, and um, I've kind of adopted your opinion 72 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: on this. So the importance that you put on it, 73 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: and talking to all these coaches as we've done over 74 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, I've heard it come up 75 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: over and over again is those guys that don't they 76 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: don't shrink in the big moments. They embrace the big moments. 77 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: They I think of Kobe. I remember an Olympics one 78 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: year in a tight ball game with all these super stars, 79 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: and you have so many different options of where the 80 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: ball could go, and it was like, no, there's only 81 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: one option. That ball goes to Kobe. Because Kobe embraces 82 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: this moment. He lives for this moment um and he 83 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: really was that throughout his whole career, and we talked 84 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: about scout football players. How do they perform against the 85 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: best competition on the big stage. What do they do 86 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: in those big moments? And I don't know that anybody 87 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: was better, uh in that regard than Kobe, And I 88 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: think that is a good it's a good scouting tugget 89 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: to take along and keep with us. Yeah, I think 90 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: that that really matters. And I think as you kind 91 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: of like transition into what we saw at the senior ball, 92 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: I think we all are looking for those guys that 93 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: handled the big stage. How do they handle seeing uh, 94 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: ninety other guys who are highly decorated All League, All 95 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: American performers, who are the best guys on the team, Well, 96 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: how do they perform when you put them all together 97 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: and let people stadium and watch them compete. And so 98 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: my joy obviously prior to Sunday was coming out of 99 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: the weekend where you got a chance to see some 100 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: of those high level competitors do their deal and some 101 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: of those guys really really stepped up. And so as 102 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: we continue to talk about the evaluation process and getting 103 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: close to the draft, I do believe you kind of 104 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: have to put a little ask you by those guys 105 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: that took their game up a notch when they knew 106 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: that everything was kind of riding on their performance and 107 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: the tenable. Absolutely, and we're gonna get into those performances 108 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: in just one second. The one thing kind of put 109 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: a kind of wrap up our discussion here on this 110 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: this news. Um, we're talking about the crossover appeal and 111 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: the impact that Kobe Bryant had on the football space. 112 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: We were interviewing Terrell Lewis from Alabama before before the 113 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: week of practice, and I actually I don't know why 114 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: I asked him this buck. I don't know. I've never 115 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: asked this question to anybody else ever when we've talked 116 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: about these prospects. But for some reason, I just asked him, 117 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: who's your favorite basketball player? UM, just curious. I don't 118 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: know where it came from, but I just asked him, 119 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: who's your favorite basketball player? And I want to roll 120 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: right now. The sound of his answer to that question. 121 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: You can see the impact Bryant had on football. His mentality, mentality, 122 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: yeah him, And that's kind of he played a partner 123 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: while we were twenty four as long with it being 124 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: like my little sister birthday, it was all the twenty 125 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: four but always on the Kobe like the way he 126 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: go about his business, the way he I'm saying the 127 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: tax things, and he thinks about the game deeper than 128 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: just old I'm better than you this. It's like a 129 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: lot of fine details that makes it like every you 130 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: could tell with Kobe, every decision is calculated when he plays, 131 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: and that's kind of how how I try to approach 132 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: the game. So now a few years ago, didn't Nix 133 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: even have Kobe talk to How impactful was that? If 134 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: you asked anyway, That was probably the only person that 135 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: I met in person that really made me feel like 136 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: a fan. So when I met him, even when he 137 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: was like kind of talking to us, I was asking 138 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: a bunch of questions because at the time I was 139 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: going through my injury and I was trying to kind 140 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: of pick his brain about how he deals with his body, 141 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: how he feels about injury, stuff like that. And then 142 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: afterwards getting to meet with him, talk to him a 143 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: little bit while we took a picture and stuff like that, 144 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: that was awesome too, and then kind of tell him 145 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: like you know, saying read your book, stuff like that, 146 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: all the all those type of day. It was cool 147 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,119 Speaker 1: and just kind of made me feel like a little kid. Well, Bucky, 148 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: you heard it right there. I mean, the guy wore 149 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: number twenty four because of Kobe Bryant. He talked about, 150 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, being an awe when he was around him, 151 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: never really asking questions. All these great guests that they 152 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: rolled through Alabama, but he really wanted to get to 153 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: pick the brain of Kobe and and Kobe talking to 154 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: him about the rehab process. Um Man, how about that? 155 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I I you didn't, we didn't think anything 156 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: about it at the time. I thought it was kind 157 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: of curious. I went up to him before the game. 158 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: I saw Trell Lewis before the game. I was walking 159 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: on the field and I walked over to him and 160 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: I gave him. I gave him a little dap and 161 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: I said, all right, Kobe, let's have a good one today. 162 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: And he just smiled real big. But uh man, that 163 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: was kind of chilling when I when I thought back 164 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: to that conversation, that story after this news came out, Yeah, 165 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: like it was great because like this story, you could 166 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: you could sell like how uh he sat on the 167 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: edge of the seat one and telling the story and 168 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: you could also picture him sitting on the edge of 169 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: received when Kobe is lessing the guys on a bunch 170 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: of different topics when he visited Alabama and nick La 171 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: Bete his credit, does a great job of bringing guys in. Uh. 172 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: You gotta help those guys when it comes to mental 173 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: performance and the like. And when you talk about Kobe 174 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: the ultimate competitor, um, the guy who poured so much 175 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 1: into the preparation part of the gang. Uh. For Louis 176 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: to be so consumed and really so inspired by Kobe's 177 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: performances and what he did. Um, I do think it's 178 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: interesting that that generation, that's what they take from Kobe. 179 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: The Momba mentality, the killer instinct, um, the work that 180 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: goes into your craft. I think those things transcend basketball, 181 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: and I think those things have enabled Kobe to connect 182 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: with others and other sports. All. Well, you couldn't say 183 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: it better myself. The the interviews were going to roll 184 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: here in just a little bit. We're gonna roll our 185 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: interviews with Ashton Davis, safety from cal who I think 186 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: he's got a chance to be a second round pick, 187 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: did not playing the game due to some injury issues. 188 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore, very very explosive, talented defensive tackle who's got 189 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: a great story out of Oklahoma. And we're also gonna 190 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: air our conversation with Kyle Dugger. And if you don't 191 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: know that name, if you've never heard of nor Ryan 192 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: uh College, you're gonna want to You're definitely gonna want 193 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: to listen to that interview because he's somebody that's flying 194 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: up everybody's radar screen here for the for the week 195 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: he had at the Senior Bowl as well as the 196 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: game that he had, He's gonna test like an absolute freak. 197 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: He's got a chance to be a second round pick 198 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: as well. So uh, stick around for those interviews at 199 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: the end of the show here. But buck Uh just 200 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: overall impression Senior Bowl players that jumped out to you, 201 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: what do you think, man like? So the good thing 202 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl is, like you'd like to hear uh, 203 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: you'd like to see the guy that you've heard about 204 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: on the road perform and excel. And so obviously Kim 205 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: Love was the guy that we heard about. The shutna 206 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: of defensive tackle to me, was the number one pick 207 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: in the game. If he had participated and played and 208 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: watching him for those two days in the practice of 209 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: he was unblockable. He was unstoppable. You can envision him 210 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: being a top team caliber player with his length, with 211 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: his power, with his athleticism. And I think the crazy 212 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: thing is when I look at him, like, man, this 213 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: guy is just scratching the surface on what he could 214 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: be because I don't even know if he's been in 215 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: the scheme that is really highlighted or showcase his skill. 216 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: And so coming off of the weekend, I'm looking at 217 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: him as someone that dominated. I think Marlon Davison, the 218 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: brief flashes that he displayed while he was practicing and performance, 219 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: I came away very, very impressed with them. So look, man, 220 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about it. The way that 221 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: you build a champion is you gotta start in the trenches. 222 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: And so I'm thiated on the guys that can dominate 223 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: up front. Those are two guys are really stare up 224 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, and I'll stay on the defensive front. 225 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: Here in the game, um Bradley and I I thought 226 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: was the best player in the game just now. I 227 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: do want to he was unbelockable. I do want to. 228 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: I got was getting some text from people during the 229 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: game and personnel, and you can tell who has high 230 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: grades and who doesn't have high grades, like, oh, he's 231 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: beating up on tomato cans like these these tackles are terrible, 232 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, but I he can't control who's 233 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: in front of him. I saw him do it against 234 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: some of the best tackles in the country. I saw 235 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: him do it against Austin Jackson. Uh, some of the 236 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: best players he played against. He got him. This guy, look, 237 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: he he does not have He's not gonna test like 238 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: a freak buck um. There is a tinge of tightness 239 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: there as well. All I know is he is a 240 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: technician with his hands, and he can finish. And he 241 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: finished in this game with a couple of sacks, another 242 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: big hit that forced an interception. He was unblockable, and 243 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: I referenced it during the broadcast. He was on the 244 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: on the flight with me coming in and uh, everybody 245 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: in the flights a bunch of personnel guys and and 246 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: um scouts all over the league that run this flight. 247 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, this guy walks in 248 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: and he's got this gray suit on with the red 249 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: tie dress shoes. I mean, he was dressed like he 250 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: was going to interview for for a job of the 251 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: new York Stock Exchange like it was all business, and 252 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: um man, I don't know if you could have done 253 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: anything more than he did. And he was dominant. Well, 254 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: he was dominant. That's what you want to see. And 255 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: so we can kind of uh dismiss uh the efforts 256 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: on the other side and say that he wasn't playing 257 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: against people that were good enough. He did that, which 258 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: is supposed to when you play against those guys. He dominated, 259 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: He was unblockable. He was a dominant player. Sorry, you're 260 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: hearing my dog in the background going, but exactly he 261 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: did exactly what you're supposed to do. And so from 262 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: my vanished point, man, I I can't knock him for that. 263 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: I'll just getting chipped the head and say, hey man, 264 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: that was a very very dominant reform, no doubt. And 265 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: the guy on the other side, Josh Uch who's a 266 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: kind of a tweener right uh and edge rusher, hybrid linebacker. 267 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: He's six one and a half two or forty one pounds, 268 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: but he just had too much juice, too much speed 269 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: coming off the edge for those tackles in that game. 270 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: And he was right there on the opposite side providing 271 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. And I thought he had a 272 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: pretty decent job in coverage during the week. So you've 273 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: got a very versatile skill set there with somebody like that, 274 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: very verse, you know. I think the thing with him 275 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: first step, quickness and burst is everything. And so everyone's 276 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: looking for those guys that can fly out the ball 277 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: with cat like equipment. He has it, man, he certainly 278 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: did it. Uh, you're talking about those guys having a 279 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: party all day. Man, it was just meeting at the 280 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: quarterback over and over again. I want to get to 281 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: a couple of let's get to some of these skill 282 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: guys here, tight end wise, Harrison Bryant from f a 283 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: U and then you go to to the big tight 284 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: end from Dayton, who I'm a big fan of when 285 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: you look at Adam Troutman, I thought both those guys 286 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: were outstanding during the week. I thought they were clearly 287 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: the best two tight ends there. Um got a little 288 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: bit of run there in the game, not a ton 289 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: of action for them in the game, but great weeks 290 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: of practice, really good job on the run game by 291 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: both those guys, which was was good to see. And 292 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: then receiver wise, I thought it was interesting because some 293 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: of the guys that dominated during the week, Buck did 294 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: not have big games. H Van Jefferson had a great 295 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: week of practice, which in all, you know, let's be honest, 296 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: it is more important with the consistency that we ke 297 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: put together. And then k J. Hill from a Ohio State. 298 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: Both those guys great during the week, but just didn't 299 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: get many opportunities in the games. Now they didn't give 300 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: many opportunities in the game because the offensive linement getting 301 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: absolutely work. But those guys are terrific throughout the course 302 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: of the week. Van Jefferson might be one of the 303 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: best prop runners. He's kind of like the next guy 304 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: that should pop like a Cooper Cup, like Diego Samuel Um, 305 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: like Terry mclauren pop following this game. K J. Hill also, 306 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: I know you've highlighted him, but he was kind of 307 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: underrated in terms of what he was able to do 308 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: that week. He showed like he's another Ohio State guy 309 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: that is polished and ready to go. And so those 310 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: whose guys were terrific stand ups in my mind, the 311 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: two tight ends that you mentioned, Troutman and Brian, I 312 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: got a man crush on both of those guys. Brian 313 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: is one of my favorites when it comes to envisioning 314 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: him being the next zach Ertz type that can kind 315 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: of play in the slot and be a jumble size 316 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: wide receiver while still being a credible blocker and in Troutman, 317 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: I think is really like your classic why tied end. 318 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: It's hard to find a traditional tied end. I think 319 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: he actually can be that. Like, I think he can 320 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: be that every down tight end that gives you what 321 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: you need in the blocking game but also exceales as 322 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: the receiver. I'm with you. And then before we get 323 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: to the quarterbacks running backwise, Josh Kelly I thought was 324 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: best in the show from u C l A. And 325 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: I would say p Ryan, uh p Ryan and Gibson 326 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: would probably right there behind him. But I thought, overall, 327 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: when you take it all in, I thought Josh Kelly 328 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: had the best week of practice and I thought he 329 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: had the best game. Man loved him, Like DJ is 330 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: kind of funny, right, So every day we're there doing 331 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: the recap show, we're looking and he's kind of like, Man, 332 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: I need to get a little note in about Josh 333 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: Kelly because you see him shine and the same thing 334 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: that he did on Saturday, he did throughout the practice week. 335 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: He could slip and slip it through crap increases. Uh, 336 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: did a great job getting to the second level, show 337 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: some toughness that maybe I don't know if everyone knew 338 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: to the ad. But then in the passing game, he 339 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: looks like he could be a very valuable contributed in 340 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: the passing game. And so some people say, oh, maybe 341 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: you know a guy like that, maybe he's a a 342 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: third downs question or whatever. I actually envisioned him being 343 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: in every down back. And we talked about the running 344 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: back class and the skill players being loaded in the draft. Man, 345 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: they're going to be a ton of players that are 346 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: drafted in the third and fourth round, um that end 347 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: up having great careers just because it's so loaded, so 348 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: top heavy this year at both of those positions, wide 349 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: receiver and running back. Yeah, I went back in and 350 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: because I had watched a lot of these guys during 351 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: the week, um that I hadn't finished up on tape. 352 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: So when I went back into the computer book and 353 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: I start adding in these new grades on these whiteouts, 354 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: and I start looking and I'm not kidding you, man like, 355 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: it is like you get down to like your receiver. 356 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: These are good players, man like guys that can come 357 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: in and have an impact like you're one. Uh that's 358 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: how deep this wide receiver classes and the running back 359 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: group solid as well. So uh, good year if you 360 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: need those guys. That the main position that everybody loves 361 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: to focus on, the quarterback position, Justin Herbert was he 362 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: was the most consistent throughout the entire week. Um, no 363 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: bad days, right, no bad practices. Um. I thought I 364 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: did a little bit better job thrown with anticipation, which 365 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: is something I wanted to see, um. But more importantly, Buck, 366 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: I know some people laugh this off, it matters, and 367 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: it's important. I thought watching him interact and seeing his 368 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: personality come out a little bit um during the week 369 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: with a bunch of guys he doesn't know, he's just met, 370 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: I thought he did a really nice job there and 371 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: and that to me does go back to you remember 372 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: when we talked to him the first time at the 373 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Pack twelve media day, and we talked to him three 374 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: years in a row, and every time we saw just 375 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: a little bit more personality. And I thought this was 376 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: the best version of Justin Herbert we've ever seen. Yeah, 377 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: I think he's very very comfortable in his skin. Were 378 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: years right now. And here's the trick DJ for a 379 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: lot of evaluating. A lot of evaluators have kind of 380 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: like kind of tempt them in as a certain thing, right, 381 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: and he's quiet, he doesn't have this. He didn't good 382 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: And I think the challenge will be, can you move 383 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: off of maybe your initial impression and really income for 384 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: where he is because the play was up and down. 385 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: He didn't perform as well in some big games as 386 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: we would like to see um. Going back to the 387 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: Auburn game this year, we talked about like the Hill 388 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: may have been thrown out of bound and didn't perform 389 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: well last year in their bowl game, but then you 390 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: see him in the pack Well title game. He kind 391 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: of steps of using more of his traits in the 392 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: Rose Bowls, he becomes a more of a runner. He 393 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: little dangerous in that vein. And now I'm beginning to 394 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: be like, you know, like we've seen in the last 395 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: couple of years. And I'm not saying he's this. He's 396 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: not Josh Allen, he's not Lamar Jackson, he's not pet 397 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: But I'll use them as examples teams that take quarterbacks 398 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: where they are and put them in an offense that 399 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: allows them to play to their strength. Have had success 400 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: with these young quarterbacks. So the trick will be can 401 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: you figure out what he does really well? What did 402 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert do really well? And can you build an 403 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: offense that the neighbors in the play. I think he 404 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: can play in an offense that's very similar to the 405 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: one that San Francisco plays with Garoppolo and Kirk Cousins 406 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: plays in in Minnesota, where you run the ball, you're 407 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: stretching boot legs, some play acts and some other stuff. 408 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: I think if he is able to get in a system, 409 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: a system like that, I think you can see Justin 410 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: Herbert play like a front line play. Yeah, I think 411 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: about this. You know that system that you're talking about 412 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: is also the Shanahan Kubiak system. Think about Joe Flacco 413 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: and I know Justin Herbert is a much better athlete, 414 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: but think about Jill Flacco's success in the Kubiak system 415 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: and you can vision a similar type of success for 416 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. Added in a little bit more athleticism obviously 417 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: what he brings with his legs, But I'm with you. 418 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: I think that that is the type of system that 419 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: fits him best. Um Jordan's love Buck. I think, look, 420 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't ding him at all for 421 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: what happened in the game. Look, he was I think 422 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: it was four for six for twenty six yards in 423 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: the game. But when you have when you have holding penalties, 424 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: when you have a non call on a deep ball 425 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: that he threw to Gandy Golden, I think the first 426 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: play he was in there, uh he gets held so 427 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: he can't come down with it. Um. And then another 428 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: one another deep post where I think it was Mems 429 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: who failed to track it. It was kind of bizarre, 430 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: but he didn't put the ball in Harm's away. You're 431 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: a game on that one. Yeah, So that was I 432 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: thought he was fine. I thought he did a good job. 433 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: I thought the thing he needed to do in that 434 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: game he did, even though it wasn't a lot of reps. 435 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: I'd manage make good decisions. Um is exactly what he did. 436 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: Showed you he could run a little bit, ran for 437 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: a first down. Um. The ball is just he's just 438 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: so effortless and smooth the way the ball pops out 439 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: of his hand. I mean he is. I will stick 440 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: by where I've been on these two quarterbacks from this regard. 441 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: Who knows. I got a sort of a lotim to 442 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: go about watch some more tape. Um, But I have 443 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: Herbert and Love next to each other. I ended up 444 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: having Love one spot over Herbert, and that was ceiling based. 445 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: I think Herbert, you get the argument, he wins the floor, right, 446 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: He's got the higher floor than the two. I do 447 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: think Jordan's Love just a little more natural, has a 448 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: higher ceiling, but does come with a little more risk. 449 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: That's how it summ those two guys up. Yeah, I 450 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: would have him flipped, um, just because I'm probably more 451 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: apt to go with the floor over the ceiling. I 452 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: think I probably trust with jub justin Herbert is going 453 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: to be a little more I think, maybe a little 454 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: more certain about that. But you're right that Love has 455 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: enough talent where he could pop at the next level, 456 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: and that pop could make him a difference maker for 457 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: the right team regardless. I think both of these guys 458 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: are first round players. I think both of these guys 459 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: will go within the first fifteen picks uh as it 460 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: shakes down, and I think it's just a matter of 461 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: taking them where they're at and putting the system around 462 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: them that enables them to play at a higher level. 463 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: No doubt. Tough to get any kind of a read 464 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: on Jalen Hurts in this game. No pass protection under 465 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: constant pressure. Did have one nice touchdown will fade from 466 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: the slot. Um, the pick he got hit right under 467 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: the chin. I don't know necessarily put that on him, Um, 468 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: but you know, solid week, solid week. Buck. The one 469 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: thing I would say with with Jalen um still like 470 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: I want to see him get off number one a 471 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: little bit quicker, just when he's when he's going through 472 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: his progression. Sometimes he can hang there on number one 473 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: a little bit too long. Um. And and just more 474 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: anticipational row in his game would be the would be 475 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: the discussion there. And then look, Anthony Gordon from UH 476 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: from Washington State. I do not have a big grade 477 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: on him. I put him in the late rounds, but 478 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: he produced I think three touchdown drives, including a couple 479 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: of passing touchdowns. Um. He's got a little gamer to him. Buck. 480 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: He doesn't wire you with his skill set, but he's 481 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: got a little gamer to him. Yeah, he does have 482 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: a little game to him, you know. Like I I 483 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: like the way that they performed. He was most player 484 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: got chance to talk to him after the game, and 485 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: he just talked about just kind of managing the game, 486 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: understanding who he had and just kind of playing like 487 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: a pass first point guard, let the playmakers do the work, 488 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: and he did that. I think the thing that stood 489 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: out for me like just being on the field around 490 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: him during the game, and he had a lot of confidence, 491 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: like and I think that confidence is something that man 492 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: you have to have at that position and something that 493 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: guys gravitate tours. And when we look at the performance 494 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: that governments you has had down in Jacksonville, that confidence 495 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: that he had after getting their system being I'm out 496 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: of reps that they had throwing the football does put 497 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: those guys ahead of it. Doesn't have big time, I'm 498 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: telling whatever, but he's certainly intriguing. And back to the 499 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts conversation, Man, the more I look at Jalen Hurst, 500 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: the more it reminds me of Dak Prescott in terms 501 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: of like Dak Prescott wasn't a finished product when he 502 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: was coming out of the Mississippi State. His best attributes 503 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: may have been the uh collection of his intangible qualities, 504 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: the fact that he's smart, he's tough, high a q 505 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: to right things from a leadership standpoint, and then he's 506 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: just kind of a rugged player. I see Jalen Hurts 507 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: in that kind of in that light. And so remember 508 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott was a fourth round pick, which is where 509 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: I kind of think Jayla hurt kind of slots him 510 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: to be like that borderline day two, day three, confidently 511 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: probably day three like the fourth round. But then in 512 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: the right system where he's uh allowed to kind of 513 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: grow a little bit, maybe he could become a starting 514 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: quarterback in the right system. Who knows. Yeah, I I 515 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: see a lot of those similarities athletics. Athletically, I see 516 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the similarities even with how the ball 517 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: comes out. They both have strong arms. I would just 518 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: say I thought Doc was just a little bit more 519 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: polished in terms of just sitting back there in the 520 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: in the cradle of the pocket and and work in 521 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: boom boom boom. And I think a lot of that 522 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: transpired over his last year at Mississippi State when he 523 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: really made that leap forward. So maybe that leap is 524 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: is the rookie they're there for Jalen. You know, we'll 525 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: see if you can make that same leap. But I 526 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: do think skill set wise, there's a lot of similarities 527 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: and the competitiveness that the intelligence, the toughness, all that stuff. 528 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: Very similar. Yeah, very sil so to be interesting to 529 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: see how he kind of makes his way and look 530 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: like most of these teams, Like most of these quarterbacks, 531 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: it's all about fit. They gotta go to the right 532 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: situation for them to kind of play to the stilling 533 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: that we talked about. They gotta, they gotta. They have 534 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: to have the right coach and the right supporting cast 535 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: around him to fully bring that to the surf, no doubt. 536 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some of these interviews. We 537 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: teased it there at the top three interesting players in 538 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: this year's draft class, starting off with Cal safety Ashton Davis. 539 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: I think you'll enjoyed this conversation. We're always in scouting background, 540 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: was looking to see what other sports guys have played, 541 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: and usually get guys kind of dabble in here and there, 542 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: not the level of success that you've had in another sport. 543 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: One for those who don't know, I watch, tell us 544 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: about your track background. Um. Yeah, I walked onto the 545 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: track team at Berkeley and was fortunate enough to be 546 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: named an All American five times. I won a conference 547 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: championship as well third a Nationals had a lot of success, 548 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: a lot more than I ever expected to have, So 549 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: I'm really grateful for that opportunity. One events, one ten 550 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: hurdles was where most of my accolades came from. UM. 551 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: I also ran the four by one and some other 552 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: some other events when my coach but we need us 553 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: to score some points now, so just cool. So I 554 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: also ran track in college and so I have a 555 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: great appreciation. And I think one thing that I would 556 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: ask you, They've always said that the best athletes are hurdlers. 557 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: So if you could take your experience from hold up buck, 558 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: where you a hurdler, No, I was not thinking about 559 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: and thinking about your your hurdle success. What are you 560 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: able to take from dominating that event and then taking 561 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: whatever skills that you learn from that and put in 562 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: and play on football field. Yeah. Actually I don't know 563 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: what specifically i'd take from the hurdle race, but running 564 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: track in general, UM, the kind of commitment it took 565 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: to come in and working out every day. It was 566 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: a lot of time was by yourself, and you got 567 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: to hit the times that you hit to get better, 568 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: and it's it's hard to do when you don't have 569 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: someone right there with you, running and pushing you. But 570 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: I took that over to the football field and just 571 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: was able to grind through things a lot differently than 572 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: some of the other people. And I kind of took 573 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: that with me. When I watch you on tape, one 574 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: of the things that notice, obviously you see the speed 575 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: in the athleticism, but the instincts that you have, UM, 576 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: really kind of helped separation. Nothing more portant that position 577 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: than than your instincts. Um, We're not naive. We know 578 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: in order to be to look instinctive on the field 579 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: requires a lot of work off the field in terms 580 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: of the studying, the preparation. Walk us through what a 581 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: week looks like for you in terms of preparing for 582 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: an opponent. Yeah, so it's it's my work habits. Start 583 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: it when I got moved to safety, and I wanted 584 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: to learn the position so bad and so quickly that 585 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: I would just show up at five thirty and that 586 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of became routine. Um, that whole year, I showed 587 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: up at five thirty, and once I got a pretty 588 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: good understanding of our defense and where I fit, I 589 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: kind of just I'd ended up doing that work on 590 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: my own, so I'd go watch the film. You know. 591 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: Early in the week, it would start with concepts. I'd 592 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: watch route combos, and I'd watch teams that played similar 593 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: defenses to us, And as it progressed throughout the week, 594 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: I'd watch their releases and more and more of the 595 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: nuances of what they were trying to do. Loaded formations, Uh, split, yeah, run, 596 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: pass block. It's just so I could get get some 597 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: good keys and you know some tells that some guys had. 598 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: So it starts off pretty basic, just looking at concept 599 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: xs and os and what they're trying to do, what 600 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: their flavor of the week is, and then as you 601 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: progress in the week, you get into the nuances and 602 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: it gets fun. All Right, you're not gonna tell us 603 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: the team is. I don't want you to blow it 604 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: from that standpoint, But outside of just high hat low hat, Yeah, 605 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: what would be a tell or a key? You would 606 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: um some some teams, Uh, if it's third down, their 607 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: offensive tackle is sitting in a two point stance already, 608 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: and you know it's gonna be a pass where they'll 609 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: be in a three point if it's gonna be a run. 610 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: So that's one of the easiest ones. But you've got 611 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: to make sure it's a percent. You can't you can't 612 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: watch one play or one drive and assume that that's 613 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: going to be the tell all the time. You got 614 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: to make sure it's a it's an actual tendency. And 615 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: for to be a tendency, it's got to happen like 616 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: over eight percent of the time. It can't just be six. 617 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: That's not a tendency. So you know, it's funny. So 618 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: you have really good coaches here, and one of your coaches, 619 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: I think is Gerald Alexander. Yep, Gerald Alexander's a guy 620 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: who played in the National Football League. What have you 621 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: been able to learn from him? That kind of help 622 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: do you give rider for this process? Um? So, one 623 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: thing that I grew close with him one time, or 624 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: when I grew close with him, was we uh, like 625 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: I said, those five thirty am sessions, it seemed like 626 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: he was he was really trying to learn to was 627 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: his first year UM at that level? I think maybe not, 628 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: but he was still learning it and he wanted to 629 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: learn just as bad as me. And that's something that 630 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: I saw and I think he saw as well. He 631 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: was hungry just like I was, and we connected on 632 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: that level. And he's still trying to get better. He's 633 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: going to camps going, you know, not just staying with 634 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: his what his system is, but always looking for nuggets 635 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: and things too, things that improve on. And I think 636 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: that's I share that same passion and that same drive 637 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: to want to be great. As scouts. We love to 638 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: have you put on your scout heat for for a second. 639 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: And I was correct me if I'm wrong. You got 640 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: one off Herbert in the Oregon and walked me through 641 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: that play. First of all, tell me what you saw there, 642 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: and then also just give us a little brief scout 643 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: and import on preparing for him when you saw okay, um, 644 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: well we watched and in that particular play, we're in 645 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: pattern match cover three, we're rotting to the boundary, and 646 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: uh I basically had um we call it gone on. 647 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: I was gone on too, and so I had him 648 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: everywhere but underneath, and I was waiting for a stem. 649 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: I knew I had a post player, so I just 650 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: hung outside a little bit because I knew I had 651 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: help inside funnel into our post player, and uh ball 652 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: was underthrown a little bit, and I was able to 653 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: make a play and preparing for a guy like Herbert, 654 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: it's not easy. Um, we we're watching film from the 655 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: year before, and not a lot of guys even in 656 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 1: the league can can pump take with one arm. You know, 657 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: even you're watching Kirk Cousins and he's over here with 658 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: two takes his hand off, and then there's maybe one 659 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: or two guys in the league they can do it well. 660 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: Herbert hits us with a double move junior year, of course, 661 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: takes his hand off the ball, and um, we weren't 662 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: prepared for that. So there's just little things like that 663 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: that he's really good at, and um, things that you 664 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: just you have to be prepared for when you're playing 665 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: a guy that's as special as that, You know what 666 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. Um, you guys have become a 667 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: quite a football team and a good football factory. We 668 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: saw some of your dbs at other places. What is 669 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: it about the tightening, tight knit dB group that enables 670 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: you guys to come people one another? But also I 671 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: love you to show this game. Something that I'm really 672 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: thankful for is that we got to play together for 673 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: so many years. Um, we created some synergy and I 674 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: kind of knew how we how each other like to 675 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: play and like to work and Unfortunately, we got a 676 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: group of guys back there who know how to work 677 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: on and off the field, and that's something that's really 678 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: translated to success in games and on the field. This 679 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: has been great man. We appreciate your time. Last question 680 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: for me hair product or no product. I don't use 681 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: any products. That's all natural right there. That's a big 682 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: time thanks for talking to Thank you very much. Well. 683 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: Buck Davis really really intriguing because his ability to cover 684 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: in the slot to play is the high safety. Obviously, 685 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: the track background, he's got legit, legit speed um and 686 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: with that you've got good, you know, football awareness and 687 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: football instincts. So it's a it's a really enticing combination. 688 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: He possesses a fantastic combination of athletic traits that he 689 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: possesses and that he possesses and brings to the field. 690 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: And and I think the bigger thing is in that 691 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: conversation just hear being intelligence and being able to uh 692 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: understand how quickly you able to diagnose and process information. 693 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: Uh So much of playing the safety position is being 694 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: in the traffic cops being able to dispense information to 695 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: the masses. He has that, and then when you bring 696 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: the laticism and skill set. A lot of things are 697 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: like about Ashton David Yep, no doubt. All right, let's 698 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: get to our next one here, one of the more 699 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: intriguing players in this year's draft because of his background. 700 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: You'll understand why after listening to our conversation with Oklahoma 701 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: defensive tackle Neville Gallimore. We were just talking before we 702 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: got rolling here, and I want to go right to 703 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: the source here because there's reports that is a thirteen 704 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: year old. If you can put it down on the 705 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: basketball court, you were dunking in age thirteen, So I 706 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: need to know if you can confirm that for us 707 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: that is facts? Were these were? These were these legit 708 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: nasty dunks? Are these squeakers? What are we talking about? These? Are? 709 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: You know, your power dunks? One hand to they throw 710 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: it off the backboard, probably cocka back You know, I 711 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: was also dunking in my left hand and I was 712 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: right handed, but I wasn't windmilling though. I wasn't I 713 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: wasn't going under the legs anything like that, but I 714 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: was you know duncan in games type so school. So 715 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: now you you've been a guy. There was a multi 716 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: sport players where says here, basketball, soccer, volleyball. How are 717 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: they playing all of those sports? Volleyball? Hold up? I 718 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: want to know, are you a center outside hitter? When 719 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: I know you're not a little barrel. One of my coach, coach, 720 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: I had a midsical my gym teacher. He's literally the 721 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: coach for all sports, so he got all these basketball 722 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: players like playing average sports. I had no choice. When 723 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: did the football hit you? I started playing football actually 724 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: in the fifth grade. Um. Again, both of my brothers 725 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: played basketball, so I always put up playing basketball. Then 726 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: when that was literally at the court and I've seen 727 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: a few guys tackling each other and like hit each 728 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: other pretty hard to not complained about the guy just 729 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: laughing having a good time, Like, okay, let me get 730 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: into it. Then after that, I fell in love with 731 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: the game ever since. So and thinking about that, because 732 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: you had such a multi sport background, how did those 733 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: other worse healthy when it came to being a football player. Um, 734 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: I want to say it was, like, for example, like 735 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: soccer and that was the first part I ever played. 736 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: And even though I didn't play for too long, I 737 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: feel like it's just helped because now having that footwork 738 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: and always being like a big kid. But I was 739 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: always a big kid that could run, you know, had 740 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: good feet. You know, it's always a athletic guy. And 741 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: I feel like that kind of made it easy to 742 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: transition on the football field, because really, when I started playing, 743 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: I don't start playing. I was playing, like old line 744 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: is the first sport, well the first vision I played 745 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: because of my size. But then after I was playing 746 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: fullback because I was henry thing everyone, but I could 747 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: run just as fast as like a lot of the 748 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: skilled guys my age. Not putting from you know, I 749 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: played linebackers, stand up defensive and all over the D line. 750 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: I was on all special teams and stuff. So really, 751 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really getting to get down to it. 752 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: So I probably say going through high school like ted 753 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: eleven grade or when I started playing D line, even 754 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: then I plays from running back. Still were you're talking 755 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: about where you grow up, because growing up in Canada, 756 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: I'm curious what how was the football growing up there? 757 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: And how uh you know, you talked about how you 758 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: got started in but I gotta believe that there was 759 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things pointing ever other directions other than football. 760 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: Um you know again, you know I was going to 761 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: raising and auto into Canada. I had two older brothers 762 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: and my parents, but they're the four of them. They 763 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: were going and raised in Jamaica. So yeah, just growing up, 764 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, football it was it was, it was a 765 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: big deal. It was you know, it was coming up, 766 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: but just not at the level that was being played 767 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, in America. So you know, a lot in 768 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: terms of you know, there wasn't that many, it's very 769 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: few guys from Canada, especially where at my hometown was 770 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: that I had an opportunity that got the opportunity to 771 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: play Division one football. So you know, it was more 772 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: so me just playing it with my friends, you know, 773 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: having that love for it. But then you know, when 774 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: you cross over to the border, you kind of see 775 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: like just the amount of invested into the sport, not 776 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: from a financial staff or just you know the coach 777 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: in the caliber plays and you know, you crossed over 778 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: the border, there's more guys that my build as opposed 779 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: to back home. You know, I was gonna I kind 780 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: of always stood out, you know, so any thinking about that, 781 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: you'd like to go to Oklahoma. Oklahoma has a story 782 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: tradition of producing pros. They've had talented defensive linement. What 783 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: did you learn from your time at Oklahoma that will 784 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: help you succeed in the National Football League. I feel like, 785 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, Oklahoma never prepared me just to be like 786 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: mentally tough. And I'm not saying I lacked that as 787 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: a kid, but you know, I was always a kid 788 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: that showed and I was a high for the kind 789 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: of kids. Always. I wanted to be that big guy 790 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: that that sold out of me, play that ranto that 791 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: ran full speed to like to keep up with the 792 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: skilled players even if I couldn't, And you know that 793 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: the I feel like the biggest transition for me was 794 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: just because of you know, being kind of behind the 795 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: a ball, you know, just being you know, not having 796 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: that the level of coaching that I head that I've 797 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: gotten at Oklahoma, and then just kind of understanding, you know, 798 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: just more to it than being a high for guy. 799 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: You gotta be able to play at the high level 800 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: within the confines of the system. You know, technique, you know, understanding, 801 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: you have placement, stuff like that. But it's kind of 802 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: being more so a student of the game as opposed 803 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: to just being like just like just this an athlete. 804 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: I want to I want to ask you a scouting question. 805 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: We come from the scouting background, So put your scouting 806 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: hat on for a second. Here, You got your hat on, 807 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: You're ready to go. All right. You got a chance 808 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: to watch the first overall pick last year as a 809 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,959 Speaker 1: teammate there with Kyler Murray. Now you look this year, 810 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 1: everybody assumes Joe Burrow is gonna be the first overall pick. 811 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: You guys got a chance to play against him in 812 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: the playoffs this year. How would you compare those two guys? Uh, 813 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: Colin Murray and Joe Burrow. Yeah? Um, again, both players 814 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, extremely you know, excited to watch, you know, 815 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: the fresh style with Colin Murray, you know, the stuff 816 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: that the stuff that he's able to do with his feet. 817 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: You know, I feel like, you know, you you gotta 818 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: appreciate that. And again, he's a playmaker, you know guy 819 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: that you know, he kind of you know, he puts 820 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: his head down and just work, just wants to compete, 821 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't like losing, and just you know, again, being 822 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: somebody who had an opportunity compete against Joe Burrow, you know, 823 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: it's it's no coincidence that that he's put himself in 824 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: the position he is not. And you know, even playing 825 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: against him, he's done some stuff that it's really impressive. 826 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: And again it kind of asked that. It's one thing 827 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: to see it, you know, when you're watching it on 828 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: film or watching it you know as a spectator, but 829 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: when you're going up against you know, you definitely you 830 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: know you have even more what was the difference? So 831 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: it was a different scene that life and in person 832 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: um again, you know, I feel like he's a very 833 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: tough guy, you know, and he's getting he's a lot 834 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: faster than I feel like a lot of people give 835 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: them credit for. And you know, again a facilitator just 836 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: knows how to get the get the ball, and you know, 837 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: his guy's hands, you know, no matter what the situation is, 838 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: you know, usually you know, some guys are comfortable in 839 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: the pocket, not as comfortable as they get out. And 840 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 1: then you come across guys that more comfort out of 841 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: the pocket, you know, not really as comfortable in the pocket. 842 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: Then you come across and all those few guys that 843 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: kind of able to do both. So I actually want 844 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,959 Speaker 1: one more thing. Let's jump in here. And he talking 845 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: all I mean, because he was in he was in 846 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: his own against you guys the way he was putting 847 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: up number. So was he whispering to you guys at all? Back? 848 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,439 Speaker 1: There was he quiet? Not not not that I don't 849 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: know him, but again like awesome. When I'm in the game, 850 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: I kind of lock in as well. I don't really 851 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: talk trash to kind of just put my head down 852 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: to work. So I'm not But from what I recalled, 853 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: I don't remember him saying that too much as partisan 854 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: part from him calling it, the offense are telling you 855 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: guys what they needed to do, I guess. So you 856 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: guys had a new quarterback this year, came in from Alabama, 857 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: Jayalen Hurst. What did he add to your team from 858 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: a leadership standpoint? From a playing standpoint? Man, You know, 859 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: I really got a lot of appreciation for Jail, not 860 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: just to the football player, but as a person because, 861 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: you know, just I feel like it takes a lot 862 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: for a guy to you know, especially you know, you 863 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: look at his resume. He's got a really great resume 864 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: coming from you know, the team that he's played for, 865 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: and then to come in and just I don't feel 866 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: like it it was hard for for guys to trust him. 867 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: You know, he's very team oriented guy. Like even the 868 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: the funny thing that I really kind of jumped off 869 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: the tame for me just when he was talking with 870 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: the guys that you know, it was never ever like 871 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: about him, even the goals and the accolades that he had, 872 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: Like I don't think he mentioned not one time of 873 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: a personal goal that he had himself, But it was 874 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: all more so what he wanted uh us to comments 875 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: as a team, as a union, like what he's seeing 876 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: us doing, like the work that he the expectation he 877 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: had for us was so hot. But I respect him 878 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: understood because the expectation had himself was even higher. So 879 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: you know that was the one thing that like I 880 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. On the top of that, you know, 881 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: a great friend, genuine you know, I'm real stand up 882 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: god and you know, really I called him like a 883 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: little man because he's just the fifth year old man 884 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: trapped in like a twenty one year old body. But 885 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, a very wise guy and you know, just 886 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: a good overall good person to be around. Well, it's 887 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 1: been great to get to know you and visit with 888 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,479 Speaker 1: your best so, like this week, I appreciate you guys. Yeah. 889 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: Buck Gallamore is a thirteen year old. Uh, putting it 890 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: down on the hardwood. Man, I don't know. If I 891 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: don't know, too many thirteen year olds want to see 892 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: something like that coming out of down the lane. Well, 893 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 1: I definitely don't want to see something like that coming 894 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: down the lane. But I do like the fact that 895 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: he did get a start in basketball. When you think 896 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: about the footwork, uh, the short area quickness, the lateral change, direction, 897 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: and all those things that basketball kind of helps you develop, 898 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: he has that and I think you see that in 899 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: his game. He does a great job of what I 900 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: call playing from guard to guard, from the edge of 901 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: the guards to the other edge of the guard. I 902 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: think he can move around and do some unique things. 903 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: And he's a side on the side of line chaser. 904 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: Interesting player, interesting prospect, no doubt. All right, let's get 905 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: to our final interview. Here we're gonna roll. Um. This 906 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: is a place called Leonore, Ryan, You've been there, I've 907 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: been there. Uh. This is a small school in North Carolina, 908 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: but it has produced a big time prospect in this 909 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: year's draft. One you need to get to know that 910 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger. All right, Kyle, first of all, got a 911 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: couple of North Carolina guys here he was at the 912 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: University North Carolina. I was at a state. So my 913 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 1: time at app State, I would drive over to Hickory 914 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: where Lenora Ryan is and uh, just so wait for 915 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: the Krispy Creme because they had a Krispy Kreme. Is 916 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: it still? Is it still? There is a Krispy Creem 917 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: still there? I actually left therefore I left town. I 918 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: had to go see that's the spot. If you go 919 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: to Hickory you can get furniture and Crispy Creme. That's 920 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: what you go about? That about that looks so obviously 921 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: the noor Ryn a smaller school. You're the only Division 922 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: two player on the senior goal roster. What do you 923 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: want to accomplish this week? The goal for me is 924 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: that is this show everything that I got. Um, I 925 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: feel like I have a lot of versatility in my 926 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 1: game and it could be used a lot of different 927 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: ways at the next level out. I want to show 928 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: all that, show everything I've got this week, and that's 929 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: that's just to go show everything. Now, when we talked 930 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: about that versatility, you know a lot of teams have 931 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: your safety where you're comfortable, where you've played, other people 932 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: look at you and say, man, the way you carry 933 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: your weight and the way you can go trying to 934 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 1: get faster to linebacker position. Have looked you potentially as 935 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: a will if you if you got to pick, if 936 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: it was your choice where you'd be playing, what would 937 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 1: be It would be safety? Strong safety strong, though, come 938 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: so you can come down, so you not only play safety, 939 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: but you also have some return ability. We have an 940 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: opportunity to show some of those skills off Yes, I 941 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: will be be able to return this week, so I'm 942 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: looking forward to here. And what is about the return 943 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: game that you enjoyed? Having the ball in my hands, 944 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: being able to affect, affect the game, and a lot 945 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: of time on defense. You know, sometimes we're able to 946 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: make plays with turnovers and pick sixes, but we don't 947 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: have the bottle up in our hands out of the time. 948 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: So I feel like I'm ineffective in that way because 949 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,919 Speaker 1: you see the offense, you might see them doing something 950 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,399 Speaker 1: like man, I wish I could have had a ball 951 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: in my hands, So I get to add a ball 952 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: in my hands and be effective. Talking to two former 953 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: scouts here, and we know the number one question you're 954 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: gonna get asked this weekend. I know you've already probably 955 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: had some interviews with some teams, but everybody's gonna ask 956 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: the same question, how the heck did you end up 957 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: with Lenore Ryan and this heightweight speed combination you possess. 958 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: I was a lay bloomer, first off, I did. I 959 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: came in to high school five six probably, but thirty 960 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 1: by so um. I slowly but surely. I grew throughout 961 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 1: my high school career and I only had one solid 962 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: year on the field, that's my senior year. I started 963 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: both ways before that, I didn't start a whole lot 964 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: at Wade Out, and I played JV and freshman football. 965 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: So for me, it was kind of just um. I 966 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of question marks on me 967 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: from those from those one double A schools that I've 968 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: been recruited by, and they didn't really I feel like 969 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: they wanted to take a chance at that. So I 970 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: took the opportunity I could to play football again. You know, 971 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: So you go to Little Noor Ryan and you dominate. 972 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: What are some of the things that you've learned at 973 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: LEANOORI doesn't give you an opportunity to be senseful national football? Uh, 974 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,319 Speaker 1: handling the adversity, For one, it was a lot of 975 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,280 Speaker 1: times at Lenore Ryan where things didn't go I was playing, 976 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: and by that I meant um. The goal for me 977 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,240 Speaker 1: as a freshman was always play at the next level. 978 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: That was always the goal for me. So a lot 979 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: of times when when I feel like my word it 980 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: wasn't being recognized. You know, we had a lot of 981 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: a lot of dog days. I say, we weren't we 982 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: weren't the best football team and things you know, we 983 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: didn't really see with recognition because it's only gonna go 984 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 1: individual accolades only go to the team. So learning how 985 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: to put that in the in the in the past 986 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: and put that behind. What really matters. It's just playing 987 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: and getting better, learn how to kind of block that 988 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: that stuff out and handle adversity when things were going 989 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,399 Speaker 1: good or bad. It's probably the biggest thing I can 990 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: take away from being there. We've seen a lot of 991 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 1: guys that were successful at that level decide, you know, hey, 992 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: I want I want to go, I want to move on, 993 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: I wanta trying to transfer upper level. We've seen that 994 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: happen a lot recently. I'm sure you would have had 995 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: plenty of opportunities if you want to transfer to a 996 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: Division one school, why why just stick it out there? Uh. Actually, 997 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: for me, I did have the first time I was 998 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,879 Speaker 1: thinking about transferring, well, we got our new dv DP coach, 999 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: Dave Cole, and he, uh he had a pedigree to 1000 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: where he had put several NFL safety or safeties in 1001 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: it and the field. So I definitely took it as 1002 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: a sign, you know, it's an opportunity to get some 1003 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: really good coaching. And I stayed out the first time 1004 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,959 Speaker 1: I stayed another opportunity I had. What I thought about transferring. Um, 1005 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: it was kind of a thing where I wanted to 1006 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: to come back to my team as a loyalty thing. 1007 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave my teammates, but I was 1008 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: kind of contemplating contemplating it because I wanted to go 1009 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: against some some better guys, some higher high level guys. 1010 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: So UM, I just you know, prayed about it, and 1011 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: and now it's being up staying. So you know, when 1012 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,959 Speaker 1: we think about this, Bruce Shelton always produced a list 1013 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: called the Freaks List, and obviously you're on it because 1014 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: of all your athletic trades and so naturally you can 1015 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: be one of the stars of the combine. Everyone always 1016 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 1: wants to know what do you think you can run 1017 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 1: into combine? I think I can run four three, put 1018 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: the number on it. I think I can. I'm almost 1019 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: I'm not even really there. I know I can run 1020 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: for three. So it's a matter of doing that for me. 1021 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: I want to see fast guys throughout a number. When 1022 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: they're nervous, they guess, we'll wait and see, and you 1023 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: put a number out there for three. Mast You're a 1024 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: fun player to watch. I have a great week here 1025 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,879 Speaker 1: in Mobile, look forward to watching compete and won't fall 1026 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: you through the process. I appreciate well Black. First of all, 1027 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: it's nice to know that Krispy Kreme is still there, 1028 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: uh in Hickory, because that was one of my jams. 1029 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: That was my jam back in the day. Man, they 1030 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: weren't they weren't these Krispy Kremes on every corner like 1031 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 1: we have right now. And then I mean, it is funny, 1032 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: um that Krispy Cream is there. But you know, Christie 1033 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: Cream started not too far from me. I want to 1034 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: say Christie Cream was born in uh went to sail 1035 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: in North Carolina. I know it's the North Carolina product, 1036 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: which is last Okay, yes that's true. It is funny, Yeah, 1037 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: so it's funny that that that he brings it up. 1038 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: But I think the bigger thing with him man man 1039 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: small school standout that dominated on the big stage, and 1040 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: he can do it all. I mean you talked about 1041 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 1: hit and running cover, it can return punt, has a 1042 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 1: lot of growth and development. They're still available in the 1043 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: game man there. I think there are a lot of 1044 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,400 Speaker 1: scouts that like him, and I think his performance last 1045 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: week down in in the Senior Bowl is only going 1046 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 1: to propel him into what you talked about, that second 1047 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: round status. I think there's a lot that he goes 1048 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 1: somewhere in that. Yeah, he's a he's a big time player. Man. Well, 1049 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: this has been a Look, it's a tough day. It's 1050 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: a tough day for everybody that's a that's a fan 1051 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 1: of sports, and with everything that's been in the news, um, 1052 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: with the tragedy there with Kobe Bryant, is his daughter 1053 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: and the other seven passengers on that helicopter. But I 1054 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: hope this has been at least a little bit of 1055 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: an escape for you, Um, just listening to two buddies 1056 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 1: here talking some football. I hope you've enjoyed it. It's 1057 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,359 Speaker 1: been therapeutic for me. Buck, I know it's been great, 1058 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,719 Speaker 1: just kind of um, kind of clearhead a little bit 1059 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,399 Speaker 1: and and beyond with a good friend and have some 1060 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 1: some fun football discussion something we've been doing for a 1061 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: lot of years now. Yeah. Man, this is is tough, man, 1062 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 1: but this this is the time that you, uh, really 1063 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: lean on your friends. So I'm very very appreciative to 1064 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: be able to have the conversation with you. To be 1065 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: able to kind of share and kind of go back 1066 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 1: and forth, I think is really really important. And as 1067 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 1: my grandma would say, man, it's just important to give 1068 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 1: people their flowers why they're living. Um, so five people 1069 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,320 Speaker 1: that are close to you and really uplift them like 1070 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 1: so they knew it before they depart and go on 1071 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: to the next week. Amen. Amen. All right man, Well 1072 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 1: that's that's gonna do it for us today. I hope 1073 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: you guys have enjoyed this. We've got two more episodes 1074 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: coming up this week. One where we're gonna dig into 1075 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: how these two Super Bowl teams were built. I know 1076 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 1: we've touched on it a little bit previously with the 1077 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: with the forty niners, but we'll double down on that 1078 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,439 Speaker 1: as well as is talking about how this chief's team 1079 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,919 Speaker 1: came together and then we're gonna have a We're gonna 1080 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 1: have a special episode. I believe this will be on 1081 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: Thursday with Bucky's the latest mock draft and will break 1082 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: that one down. So it should be a lot of fun. 1083 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,319 Speaker 1: I hope you guys will be on the lookout for that. 1084 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,360 Speaker 1: Remember all of our videos NFL dot com slash MTS 1085 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,840 Speaker 1: video or you can just subscribe to the new channel 1086 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: there on YouTube YouTube dot com slash NFL Podcasts and 1087 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: you can find it there. That's gonna do it for us. 1088 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: Thanks so much in the bill for putting this bad 1089 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,400 Speaker 1: boy together. We'll see you next time right here on 1090 00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: Move the sticks. Can you at at? People go to 1091 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 1: a lot? Want to you have to people to w