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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: It's our annual feature right before the season. I can't

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Speaker 2: call it the Beat Reporter around Table because one of

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Speaker 2: us is big time now. I can't call it the

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Speaker 2: reporter round Table. John schmelk Art Stapleton, Paul Schwartz, and

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Speaker 2: then Tom Rock, who's now in the national beat for Newsday.

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Speaker 2: Can you basically just like pick your stories now, Tom,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do this this week and then you

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Speaker 2: can't do anything about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm living in the lap of luxury.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so was Paul Schwartz. By the way, he was

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Speaker 2: at his luxurious vacation home right now. We're happy to

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Speaker 2: have him join us from there. Paul, how you doing,

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 4: Look. Tom Rock is only going to entertain Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 4: questions only please, Okay, Because as an NFL columnist in

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Speaker 4: the New York Long Island, New Jersey area, there is

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Speaker 4: only one story and it's Aaron Rodgers. So I think

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Speaker 4: we should spend a few minutes on the Giants, and

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Speaker 4: then we should pivot the Jets and we should, you know,

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Speaker 4: talk about the big the big story in town.

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Speaker 2: And the reason arts with me here is that he

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Speaker 2: I think you were here in the media worker all night,

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Speaker 2: right working on your season previous story, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, unlike the vacationing Paul Schwartz and the big time

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Speaker 5: Tom Rock, us grunts have to stay here and you know, work.

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Speaker 5: So we're here.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Art, in the press room. I think I left

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Speaker 4: a half eaten sandwich in my cubicle. If you could

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Speaker 4: just clean that out for me, you know, if you

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Speaker 4: don't mind, I would appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, take care of it.

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Speaker 2: Paul, no product, Now we all know that's a lie

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Speaker 2: there is Paul would never eat only half of a sandwich.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, we get for this? What are we getting

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Speaker 4: for this round table? John? I just reminded me before

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Speaker 4: I we take shots here, the.

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Speaker 2: Best food is free food. You know that, absolutely? All right,

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Speaker 2: Let's get right to it here, guys, and don't go

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Speaker 2: to start with the basic questions. So let's start here.

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Speaker 2: Most important improvement you think the Giants will make from

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Speaker 2: last year to this year. Now that you've seen everything together, Tom,

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Speaker 2: why don't we start with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that the most important improvement that they

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Speaker 1: had to make and that they did make, is to

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Speaker 1: at the end of the season last year, especially when

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Speaker 1: they got to play play Philadelphia, those guys, those two

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Speaker 1: they just wore out. They couldn't be on the field

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Speaker 1: for for all those snaps and and really continue to dominate.

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Speaker 1: And so I think having having bringing in a lot

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Speaker 1: talking about a Shawan, Nacho Riley, who they who they

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Speaker 1: that we're going to see more productive play from Dexter

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Speaker 1: that's the game plan.

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Speaker 3: They have to be able to stop the run.

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Speaker 1: If you be able to pressure the pressure the passer

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Speaker 1: They'll be able to do it more effectively in the

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Speaker 2: How about you, Paul, what do you think?

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously the run defense and Bobby Kara Kay, you

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Speaker 4: But you know, I'm gonna go offense. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: wouldn't happen. I don't know about you, guys. I think

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Speaker 4: And so I think something has been lifted from Daniel.

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Speaker 4: I think he's gonna wing it. You know, he's not

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Speaker 2: Or what do you think?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much what Tom Paul said. You know what,

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Speaker 5: I think the speed on offense is certainly a big thing.

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Speaker 5: Paul and Tom both hit those I'll go with, you know,

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Speaker 5: the million dollar question for the Giants every year, it's

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Speaker 5: the offensive line. And I think at right tackle, Evan

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Speaker 5: Neil is as important a player this year, excuse me,

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Speaker 5: kind of transform that offensive line up front. We know

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Speaker 5: think starting a rookie in John Michael Schmidts at center,

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Speaker 5: you've put it all on a rookie who's looked pretty

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Speaker 5: I do think that offensive line, the interior and Evan

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Speaker 5: And I do think it does come back to every

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Speaker 2: So Paul, I'll throw this back to you because I'm

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Speaker 2: with you, Paul. I think it's the offensive weapons here,

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Speaker 2: Do you think this offensive line is going to show

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Speaker 2: for sure even who the starting guards are the day

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you can say, Look, they're much better,

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Speaker 4: you know. I don't know how you can say they're

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Speaker 4: much better on the offensive line. I think arts point

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Speaker 4: about Evan Neil is a very good one. I mean,

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Speaker 4: how there's this sense that Andrew Thomas struggled as a

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Speaker 4: doing that. They're not the same player. We don't know that.

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Speaker 4: He's a different player. I think he's a hard worker,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think josh A Zuda will end up

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Speaker 4: of would want Brettison to be the swing guy. And

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Speaker 4: I think they want I know, last year, after the season,

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Speaker 4: to say that. Oh yeah, the offensive line is much better.

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Speaker 2: So Tom, why don't you attack the offense?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 2: When you take a look at this, well, this offense

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to do.

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Speaker 1: Right well, I mean, listen, Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones was

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Speaker 1: a one quarterback, one touchdown a game quarterback for most

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Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a big stretch to say

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Speaker 1: He was that for for about three weeks there at

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Speaker 1: and like I said, those were against some of the

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Speaker 1: having Saquon integrated into into the passing offense, I think

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Speaker 1: that there's going to be a lot more options for

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Speaker 1: a little bit, this is definitely as pretty as Daniel

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Speaker 2: I think it was Beasley who walked over with his

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Speaker 5: Okay, so I thought it was Daniel's tablet. Daniel had

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Speaker 5: This isn't about learning this offense. It's about kind of

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Speaker 2: Oh, do you think he'll run as much as he

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Speaker 5: You know. I love the idea of Waller clearing out

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Speaker 5: This year, I don't know if teams can do that,

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Speaker 4: More passing, you know, I I you know Brian Dabo

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Speaker 4: More, you know. I mean, who did they pay? They

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Speaker 4: I get that. But you know last year, because of

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Speaker 2: It, and that's what they did. Where Kafka came from too,

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Speaker 5: You're ready for a change.

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Speaker 4: Pay Day comes early with citizens, So go to that retreat.

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Speaker 3: Knew you moves to the country.

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Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 2: All that life brings? So Tom, we mentioned Waller. I

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Speaker 5: do they look at Daniel Bellinger and say his profile

436
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Speaker 5: is going to be raised now because of Darren Waller,

437
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Speaker 5: and I think Bellinger is a guy that is going

438
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Speaker 5: to be a big part of this offense, not volume wise,

439
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Speaker 5: but it wouldn't surprise me if Daniel Bellinger has, you know,

440
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 5: by beginning of November three four touchdown catches. The way

441
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Speaker 5: this offense is built, they want to use two tight

442
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Speaker 5: ends too. We talked about Dable and how much he

443
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Speaker 5: wants to throw the ball. He wants to use tight ends.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think you're going to see a lot

445
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Speaker 5: of you know, a lot of twelve personnel. I think

446
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Speaker 5: you'll see a lot of thirteen personnel with Lawrence Cager

447
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Speaker 5: being the third tight end. So it'd be very interesting

448
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Speaker 5: to see how this offense does become. So to answer

449
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Speaker 5: your point, I think it will look different week to week.

450
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Speaker 5: We know the constants are in it. We know Darren

451
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Speaker 5: Waller is not disappearing one week versus the next. But

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Speaker 5: I do think that there will be guys who you know,

453
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Speaker 5: also have to take advantage of injuries. You know, we

454
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Speaker 5: know that there are guys who you know they get

455
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Speaker 5: banged up. I mean, Shep's gotten banged up, Paris Campbell, Wandell.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you've got guys in this offense that you know,

457
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Speaker 5: you almost anticipate, Okay, they're gonna miss the game or two,

458
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Speaker 5: you know, down the road, because they're in that position

459
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Speaker 5: where they're gonna take a beating on the inside. So

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Speaker 5: I think the depth helps and we'll just have to

461
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Speaker 5: see the way it plays out. But I do think

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Speaker 5: Paris Campbell is somebody that that I would say could

463
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Speaker 5: have his career year, which unfortunately for Giants fans, they're

464
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Speaker 5: already looking at it Murphy's law. You know, of course,

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Speaker 5: Paris Campbell signs a one year deal, has a career

466
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Speaker 5: year with the Giants, and now we have to try

467
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Speaker 5: to figure out a way to pay him big money

468
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Speaker 5: in the offseason. That's just the way things go. But

469
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Speaker 5: that's a better option than the reverse, where you know,

470
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Speaker 5: he would come here and not give you anything. So

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Speaker 5: we'll see how that works.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we already identified right Evan Neil as

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Speaker 2: maybe one of the more pivotal players on this offense,

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Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna ask that question. Any of you

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Speaker 2: guys have anything that you think want to add on

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Speaker 2: the offense before we head over to the defensive side

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Speaker 2: of the ball.

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Speaker 4: Well, I thought it was interesting that you know, I

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Speaker 4: mean I'm paying fairly close attention here, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, my mind winded us a little bit here.

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Speaker 4: Did anyone mentioned Darius Slayton.

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Speaker 2: No, they did not, You're right right, I mean he.

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Speaker 4: Is probably the number one wide receiver right now, and

484
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Speaker 4: we're all talking about, well it's gonna be I agree

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Speaker 4: with Art. I would if you had to ask me,

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Speaker 4: you know, put twenty bucks on something, I would say,

487
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Speaker 4: Paris Campbell leads the team the receivers in catches. But

488
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Speaker 4: nobody mentioned Darius Slayton. You know, Tom mentioned the relationship

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Speaker 4: between Hodgens and the chemistry and Daniel Jones. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones and Darius Slayton certainly have you know, excellent chemistry.

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Speaker 4: You know, they came in the same draft class. So

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Speaker 4: it's interesting we didn't mention him. One thing Art said,

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Speaker 4: which I liked, kind of my beat rider antenna. You know,

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Speaker 4: you know I've seen that the Jalen Hyatt de Sean

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Speaker 4: Jackson kind of you know, you know, he's not I

496
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Speaker 4: don't know if he has that that kind of breathtaking speed,

497
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Speaker 4: but that kind of yeah, he may catch three catches,

498
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Speaker 4: he may have three receptions for fifty seven yards, but

499
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Speaker 4: one of them is a forty three yarder that busts

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Speaker 4: the game open. I get that. Now. Can you imagine

501
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Speaker 4: if Jalen Hyatt has a big game against the Eagles

502
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Speaker 4: and we kind of can can use that, you know,

503
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Speaker 4: you know, I mean, look, DeShawn Jackson. You know, you know, anyone,

504
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Speaker 4: any any Giant fan listening to this is going to

505
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Speaker 4: just they hear de Sean Jackson, they may just turn

506
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Speaker 4: it off and throw their laptop or something. I mean,

507
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Speaker 4: they hate the guy, and so that would be a

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Speaker 4: great you know, that would be a great thing, you know,

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Speaker 4: the one thing I would say, and I think it

510
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Speaker 4: hasn't been underplayed. We've all written a tremendous amount about

511
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Speaker 4: Darren Baller, but I mean, I guess if you look

512
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Speaker 4: up seamless in the dictionary, seamless transition so far without

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Speaker 4: having played, I mean, this guy is I mean, he

514
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Speaker 4: should run for office in New Jersey. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: guy is unbelievably. I mean, he says the right things.

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Speaker 4: He you know, I mean the first week or two

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Speaker 4: in training camp, right when they're seven on seven's and

518
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Speaker 4: shorts and T shirts, it's literally like, Okay, that's Michael

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Speaker 4: Jordan out there catching passes. I mean, he looked like

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Speaker 4: a freak. Then they put the pads on and he

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Speaker 4: still kind of looks like a freak. So it'll be

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Speaker 4: really interesting. I mean, is this guy the comeback player

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Speaker 4: of the year. I mean, Nomar Hamlin, I think is

524
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Speaker 4: the comeback player of the year, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, this guy has the potential to be

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Speaker 4: some kind of story in New York.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he he's a.

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Speaker 4: Captain right away, you know, he's one of the seven guys,

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Speaker 4: you know. I mean it's a big list. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think Tom rock Gott votes for captain with the Giants,

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Speaker 4: but he doesn't even cover them on a regular basis anymore,

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Speaker 4: you know. And he got He's one of the twenty

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Speaker 4: two guys.

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Speaker 3: Who got to vote, which is unbelieve I see is

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Speaker 3: for columnists.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of the podcast right there.

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Speaker 5: That was good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well the podcast isn't over. I think I can

540
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Speaker 4: come up with a lot of the podcast. It's not

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Speaker 4: over yet. But but you know, I that's interesting wild.

542
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's unbelievable. I mean, the guy is interesting,

543
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: he makes plays. It'll be a great story to see

544
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Speaker 4: how it all turns out.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to you to start with the defense here.

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Speaker 2: Put the Giants defense in some contacts with the rest

551
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Speaker 2: of the league. Right, they run a very different system

552
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: than what most other teams are running nowadays. Who are

553
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: kind of navigating towards that two safety deep shell coverage

554
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 2: forced teams are running on you. That ain't wake Martin Dale, right,

555
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: he's bringing the action to you. You got two big tackles,

556
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Speaker 2: young ends, edge players. What do you want to call them,

557
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Speaker 2: but two rookie cornerbacks that could be starting outside with

558
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Speaker 2: the Dori Jackson and the slot and nickel. What's your

559
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Speaker 2: overall take on this defense and how it might match

560
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Speaker 2: up against what is a much tougher schedule the Giants

561
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Speaker 2: will be facing this year, especially in terms of opposing

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks that they're gonna have to take on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when you look at those at the

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Speaker 1: two edges, and I'm talking about the edges on the

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Speaker 1: in the secondary and the edges on the line. That's

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Speaker 1: that's where, that's where it's all got to happen, right

567
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Speaker 1: because you do have those two rookies who could potentially

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Speaker 1: be starting, which should be terrifying to a team, and

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Speaker 1: it's not. The Giants seem to be embracing it. They

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Speaker 1: love they love their guys Banks, Banks and Hawkins there.

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Speaker 1: So I think, I think, you know, at this point,

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Speaker 1: you just kind of have to roll with it and

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Speaker 1: and trust them and and know what they're doing. I had,

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Speaker 1: I know, Art had a similar conversation with them too.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to them. Their lockers are right next

576
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Speaker 1: to each other, and as soon as that Jets game ended,

577
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Speaker 1: they started swapping film clips of the Cowboys receivers to

578
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Speaker 1: each other online and and starting to starting to really

579
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Speaker 1: dig into their first NFL opponent.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 1: We were talking that they don't really have a chance

582
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Speaker 1: to soak it all in as their NFL dream comes true,

583
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Speaker 1: because they're gonna be right out there and boom, it's

584
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Speaker 1: gonna it's it's just gonna be happening. And and so

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Speaker 1: they're kind of coming to grips with that with that

586
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Speaker 1: reality right now and I think they're both excited for it.

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Speaker 1: It's there's gonna be some growing pains there.

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Speaker 3: And then then you look.

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Speaker 1: At the edge rushers and you look at Disease and

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Speaker 1: cave On Thibodeau, and I think that it stands out

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Speaker 1: as the most as the place where the Giants didn't

592
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Speaker 1: invest anything this offseason. They kind of rolled it back

593
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Speaker 1: with those two guys, and and you wonder why. You say, well,

594
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Speaker 1: they weren't really that productive, and obviously as Ease was

595
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Speaker 1: hurt and got his share of sacks and Caveon came

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Speaker 1: on in the end, and you say, Okay, well maybe

597
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: they maybe they see something there. But those guys have

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Speaker 1: to really step up too, because they are as critical

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Speaker 1: to this defense in their development as Evan Neil is

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Speaker 1: to the development of the offensive line. So those guys

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Speaker 1: got to Those guys have to make make big jumps

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Speaker 1: in terms of consistency, in terms of health, and in

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Speaker 1: terms of production for this defense to go, because if

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Speaker 1: they're if they're unable to hold those edges and make

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Speaker 1: plays off those edges, then all of a sudden, you're

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Speaker 1: you're sending many more blitzes that even Wink wants to

607
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Speaker 1: and you have. Then you have those two rookie cornerbacks

608
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Speaker 1: in the back, things can fall apart real quick. They

609
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: need those guys on the edge to come through for them.

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Speaker 2: So are when I say Giants Defense twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: time kind of hit it for him? What's the first

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Speaker 2: thing that comes to mind for you that you'll really

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Speaker 2: be watching and either thinking or worrying about.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it has to be the two rookie corners.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you've been very impressed with Tay Banks and

616
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Speaker 5: Trey Hawkins the third this summer. But look the lights

617
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Speaker 5: go on opening night Sunday Night Football MetLife Stadium with

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: And you can make the argument that the three wide

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Speaker 2: receivers the Cowboys are all out there are probably have

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Speaker 2: more pelts on the wall than who they've been going

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Speaker 2: against in practice. Right yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, and you know Brandon Cooks, they're going to

624
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Speaker 5: take a deep shot at one of them. So you've

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Speaker 5: got CD Lamb in theory. To me, I think that's

626
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Speaker 5: really why the Giants experimented with the Dory Jackson inside

627
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Speaker 5: is week one, Ceedee Lamb. You know, we want a

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Speaker 5: Dory on their best player, and if Ceedee Lamb is

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Speaker 5: on the in the slot which way, and that's where

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Speaker 5: we want a dory. So uh, you know, I like

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Speaker 5: Tom said, I mean, I've loved every conversation I've had

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Speaker 5: with Banks and Hawkins. Uh, they're a little different personalities.

633
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Speaker 5: Hawkins is a little bit more focused. Banks's personalities really

634
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Speaker 5: opened up a little bit. He's a lot different than

635
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Speaker 5: you know, the kid at Rookie Minnicamp, who you know

636
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Speaker 5: was so nervous and wanted to do everything right, was

637
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Speaker 5: leaning over into the microphone at his at his press conference,

638
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 5: you know, trying to make sure he did everything right.

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Speaker 5: I think you have to go to those two because

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00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 5: everything comes off of that. Like Tom said, I mean,

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Speaker 5: if the front is as dominant as that they think

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00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 5: they can be, and then you have the two corners

643
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Speaker 5: on the outside, you allow Dorry to roam. I mean,

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, you may be talking about a

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Speaker 5: top ten defense here and maybe even higher if those

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Speaker 5: corners don't hold up early on, and you know, who knows,

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Speaker 5: I mean it's about time the Giants would hit on

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Speaker 5: a sixth round pick to be a But you know,

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Speaker 5: I think that's really where it starts and ends, because

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Speaker 5: then you could talk about you know, it allows the

651
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Speaker 5: safeties to do more and maybe Xavier McKinney could become

652
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Speaker 5: more of a playmaker than just sitting back and coverage.

653
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Speaker 5: So I think it really does start with Banks and Hawkins.

654
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 5: Everything Tom said about about Thibodeaux and Ozelari is true

655
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Speaker 5: as well. You know, I thought it was very interesting

656
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Speaker 5: Thibodeaux made the point at some point to say he

657
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Speaker 5: and o'jelari need to become what Dexter and Leo are

658
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Speaker 5: to the defensive front, and I thought that was interesting.

659
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Speaker 5: That was the only really statement, the hyperbolic statement that

660
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Speaker 5: Thibodaux has made this year. Last year was all about

661
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Speaker 5: individual stuff in his mind. He had the host it's

662
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 5: up in his locker about all the stats he wanted,

663
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 5: and he wanted Rookie of the Year and all that stuff.

664
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Speaker 5: This year, all I heard from Thibodeau was the idea

665
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Speaker 5: of how they need to match Leo and dex and

666
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 5: they watch what Dexter Lawrence did in his defense. If

667
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Speaker 5: there's any way that the Giants could get Kaevon Thibodeau

668
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Speaker 5: to raise his game as far as impact to where

669
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Speaker 5: Dexter Lawrence took his game last year. Now, all of

670
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Speaker 5: a sudden. You're talking about a defense that you know

671
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Speaker 5: I mentioned top ten. Maybe it's even higher than that

672
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Speaker 5: if those guys can fulfill that kind of potential.

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Speaker 2: Paul is the longest tenured member on the Beat. I'm

674
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Speaker 2: going to make this easy for you. You can say

675
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: anything about the defense you like. The floor is yours,

676
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Speaker 2: my friend.

677
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: I got I don't like the defense at all, so

678
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 4: we can go up. You know what, look as the

679
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: longest tenured Beat rider. You know, I remember the early

680
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: stages of Michael Strahan's career, right, and Michael Strahan when

681
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 4: he wasn't getting a lot of sacks, he would know

682
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: he was not you know, mister game show and mister

683
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: mister morning morning talk show. You know, breath of fresh air.

684
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Speaker 4: He was a tough interview.

685
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Speaker 2: He could be cranky. He could be cranky.

686
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Speaker 4: Well that's one word for it. Yeah, and and and

687
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 4: when you would ask him about sacks, he would look

688
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 4: at Lou like you would you look at you like

689
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 4: you were asking him about you know, I don't know,

690
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Speaker 4: you know, just something that there was not in his

691
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 4: in his job to say, all you guys do is

692
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: worry about sacks. You know, you don't watch the game

693
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 4: now came on Thibodeau. What did he say? He said,

694
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Speaker 4: I looked at my tape last year, and what word

695
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 4: did he use? He said, I was disgusted or you know,

696
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 4: he said disturbed?

697
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Speaker 2: Was it? Maybe it was one of those two?

698
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all all the missed opportunities. So I like the

699
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: fact that, yes, he is a team guy. My take

700
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Speaker 4: on Thibodau last year was he was not as good

701
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Speaker 4: of a natural pass rusher as I thought he was

702
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Speaker 4: going to be. And he was a better all around

703
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Speaker 4: defensive player than I thought he was going to be. Selfless,

704
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: long arms, you know, willing.

705
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Speaker 6: To do the thing to lead to the thing that

706
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Speaker 6: makes the tackle, you know, that kind of thing.

707
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 4: So, you know, but he has embraced this. I need

708
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 4: to get more sacks, you know. And I like that

709
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Speaker 4: instead of all you guys want to talk about his

710
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 4: sacks now, he's like, no, I need to cash in

711
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: more to be the next player, you know. So I

712
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: like that about him. And also, I mean, you know,

713
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 4: you guys both you know, everyone's talked about you know Hawkins.

714
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is an incredible leap of faith here.

715
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a six round pick from old dominion. Okay,

716
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 4: from Old Dominion when they drafted him. You know, I

717
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 4: was talking a week or two ago to Jerome Henderson,

718
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 4: the cornerbacks coach, and I said, did you know he

719
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: was this good? And he said, if we thought he

720
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Speaker 4: was this good, we would have drafted him before the

721
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Speaker 4: sixth round, you know what I mean. You know, it's

722
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Speaker 4: the old Tom Brady thing. Did you know he's gonna

723
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Speaker 4: be a Hall of Famer?

724
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Speaker 5: Of course not.

725
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Speaker 4: You know, we'd be idiots to wait till the sixth round.

726
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Speaker 4: So this was more about he's played very well. He's

727
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: got great know, height, weight, speed, kind of things. But

728
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 4: there was nobody there to compete against them. Let's face it,

729
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 4: who is gonna win the that outside cornerback job. They

730
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 4: could have just left the Dory Jackson there and then

731
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Speaker 4: they don't have a slot corner, right, I mean, their

732
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 4: slot corner is the Dory Jackson probably. So I'm not

733
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Speaker 4: saying Trey Hawkins can't do it. But you know, you know,

734
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Speaker 4: Deonte Banks was drafted in the first round. He's supposed

735
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Speaker 4: to start sooner right away. This is this is you know,

736
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Speaker 4: I mean, we'll see six round picks from Old Dominion starting,

737
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Speaker 4: you know, Sunday, Night Football against the Cowboys. I mean,

738
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Speaker 4: he wouldn't be the first player that is just you know,

739
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 4: too much, too soon for him. So you know, we'll

740
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Speaker 4: have to wait and see on that one.

741
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Speaker 5: All right.

742
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Speaker 2: Last one on the defense, guys, before we do a

743
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: couple of big picture things. Tom will start with you

744
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: impact of Isaiah Simmons and or boogie bash him.

745
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Speaker 1: M yeah, I mean Simmons. Uh, Simmons. Simmons is gonna

746
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: be the fun one to watch and see how Wink

747
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: moves him around. I think because he has that flexibility

748
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: and they right now they're calling him and then sideline back.

749
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Speaker 1: But he obviously can line up on the outside, he

750
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: can rush the rush from the edge, he can cover

751
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: in the slot, he can he can do a lot

752
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Speaker 1: of stuff.

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Speaker 3: The one thing I don't like about Isaiah.

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Speaker 1: Simmons and we talked about is yesterday at number nineteen, man,

755
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: that's got to go. That is an ugly number for

756
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: somebody in the middle of that defense. But he could

757
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: make it beautiful for them if he clicks with Wink.

758
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I kind of see him, guys. It's almost like the

760
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Speaker 2: same role that he used Landing Collinson when they brought

761
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Speaker 2: him in late last year where he plays close to

762
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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage is kind of like that nickel

763
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Speaker 2: or dime linebackers safety kind of hybrid type.

764
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Speaker 3: Right.

765
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Speaker 5: Well, look, he played six snaps against the Jets. Right

766
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 5: one he was lined up on the edge, the other

767
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 5: one he was in the B gap, then he was

768
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Speaker 5: in the A gap. He made his way all the

769
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Speaker 5: way down the line, and I think that was Wink

770
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Speaker 5: Martindale basically saying, this is all you're going to see

771
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 5: from Isaiah Simmons. You are going to see a little

772
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Speaker 5: bit of everything, and just where you think he's going

773
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Speaker 5: to be. He's not going to be the guy who rushes.

774
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 5: He's going to be the who drops into coverage. But

775
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 5: they did that on one play as well, so I

776
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: think that fits into what Wink wants to do up front.

777
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Speaker 5: You never know who's coming, who's dropping, and I think

778
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Speaker 5: Simmons is athletic profile.

779
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: I mean no.

780
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 5: Disrespect to Landon or Tony Jefferson, who were kind of

781
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 5: in that role last year. Simmons is a different animal.

782
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 5: I mean six ' four, two thirty eight, you know

783
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 5: can Can has the speed. I mean, you know, I'm

784
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 5: sure he's still kicking himself over not taking Rogers down.

785
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 5: And I'm sure Hotty's upset he didn't take Rogers down

786
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 5: as well. But I think Simmons is intriguing Bashim. I

787
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 5: think is just another you know, some depth. And let's see,

788
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 5: I mean they had familiarity with him in Buffalo, obviously,

789
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 5: he said yesterday Joe Shane was one of the guys,

790
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Speaker 5: if not the guy, who was most influential in him

791
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 5: going to Buffalo in the draft. So I thought that

792
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Speaker 5: was interesting. And you know, you got Boogie, you got Nacho,

793
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 5: you got Sexy DEXI. I mean, good defenses need nicknames, right,

794
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 5: So maybe maybe just because of the nicknames. Forget about

795
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 5: the number thing that Tom mentioned, the nicknames will elevate

796
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 5: this defense to be able to to do some things

797
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 5: that they really have not been able to do in

798
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Speaker 5: really a decade or so.

799
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Speaker 2: Paul's back page guys are just salivating at the opportunities

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Speaker 2: for all those nicknames.

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Speaker 4: Paul Boogie, Boogie's a good one. Yeah. Who else we got? Yeah, Nacho? Yeah,

802
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: I mean you know it's he's gonna have to do

803
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 4: a heck of a lot to get on the back

804
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Speaker 4: page of the New York Post.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I mean, he's super composing his face

806
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: on like a gigantic Nacho. Though, I could see you

807
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: do something like that.

808
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: John Stainer Langlease, Okay.

809
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: Nancho's a talker though, so I could see all of

810
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 5: a sudden Nacho being a Serby Q and A and

811
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Speaker 5: ends up on the back page because he said something

812
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Speaker 5: so wacky. H with you guys the way you you know,

813
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 5: love our friend, mister Serby.

814
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Speaker 2: Citizens bank dot com. Paul Well lead off with you here.

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Speaker 2: How much have the Giants closed the gap to Philly

821
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: in Dallas in San Francisco? I think none of us

822
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: would argue. Those are the three teams that were the

823
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: class of the conference last year. They are the only

824
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: three teams in the conference with the point differential I

825
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: think plus thirty or better. They were all plus one

826
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: twenty or better. So how much have the Giants you

827
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: think closed the gap with those two teams and what's

828
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: a really tough division.

829
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: All right, I'll give you another history lesson here, ok,

830
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: here we go. When when I when when Nate took

831
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: Rosie Brown and I no, no, I'd cover Rosie Brown.

832
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: You know, Steve Owen in nineteen thirty five.

833
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 5: And Tim Marra paid.

834
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Speaker 4: I told them, Tim, don't do it, It's not worth it.

835
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Speaker 4: Where was I? Oh, yes, close the gap, close the gap?

836
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 4: Whenever I hear closed the gap. The start of the

837
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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety five season, okay with Dan Reeves, the Giants

838
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 4: was starting against shock the Cowboys, okay, shockingly against the Cowboys,

839
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Speaker 4: and the big narrative was the Giants are going to

840
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: show how they closed the gap on the Cowboys. Okay,

841
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: you know they closed the gap. Dan Reeves even said it,

842
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 4: this is a chance for us to show we closed

843
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 4: the gap on the Cowboys. And I think that was

844
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 4: thirty five nothing. And that was the game where Emmis

845
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 4: Smith was running for a touchdown. He turned around and

846
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 4: waved to the last Giants defender like bye bye, and

847
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: I remember, yes, Dan Reeves afterwards, you know, well do

848
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 4: you think you closed the gap on the Cowboys? And

849
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: he said, eh, in that drool, He said that GAP's

850
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 4: pretty damn Probably not damn, that GAP's pretty darn big. Still,

851
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, that was a pretty big gap. Still.

852
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not willing to say they've closed the

853
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 4: gap at all on the Eagles, because you know, I

854
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 4: think all of us have have, you know, some kind

855
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: of shock about the way the Eagles just manhandled them.

856
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: You know, I always think the Cowboys are better than

857
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 4: they are, you know what I mean. I think the

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00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 4: Giants are definitely the better co team in that you know, Look,

859
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 4: they'll play the Cowboys in Week one. They play the

860
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 4: forty nine Ers in Week three, right, you know, that's

861
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: the third of third game in twelve days, so we'll

862
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 4: know pretty quickly.

863
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 5: You know.

864
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 4: I'm not into this close the gap stuff. I mean,

865
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: I think I think the Eagles are still appreciably better

866
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 4: than the Giants. I think the Cowboys should be picked

867
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: ahead of the Giants. I will pick them ahead of

868
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 4: the Giants right now. The forty nine Ers I would

869
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: pick in the NFC ahead of the Giants. So you know,

870
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: the look, the Giants went on and five, as we know,

871
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 4: own four in the regular season, oh and five against

872
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: the division, and you can't keep on finishing third place

873
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 4: in the division and expecting to be making the playoffs

874
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: every year. You just can't do it because now you're

875
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 4: narrowing the field of the wild card guys, because you

876
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: have got a team in the division that's in the wildcards.

877
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 4: It's ahead of you. So you know, that just doesn't

878
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 4: fly anymore. You know, you got you know, they have

879
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: to you know, they have to win. They have to

880
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: beat the Cowboys once this year, and they probably have

881
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 4: to beat the Eagles once this year. I'm not asking

882
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: for miracles in order to you know, really raise your

883
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 4: profile in the division, which is the first thing you

884
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 4: have to do, so close the gap. You know, I'm

885
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 4: not buying it right now. We'll see, but I'm not.

886
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 4: I need to see it.

887
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: And by the way, that's assuming like a sweep against Washington,

888
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: which isn't a short obviously they got a nice roster.

889
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: We'll see with Sammy.

890
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: Didn't sweep last year exactly.

891
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they tied against them once. Paul correct, So Art,

892
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts of kind of where this NFC

893
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: East kind of stands and where the Giants look, you

894
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: know heading into this season.

895
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 5: Well, it's weird because head to head with Philly. It

896
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 5: feels like you're not going to see Philly until twenty

897
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 5: twenty six.

898
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: You almost don't see them till four.

899
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 5: You know. The idea is that you have to wait

900
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 5: until Christmas to see Philly for the first time, and

901
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 5: then you never know what Week eighteen is going to

902
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 5: look like like last year, what Philly needs? You know who?

903
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 5: Who would have expected Philly was the one that would

904
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 5: play the starters and the Giants wouldn't it all? It

905
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 5: all comes down to the Cowboys. Let's be honest. Uh,

906
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 5: the Giants thought they were closer on Thanksgiving last year

907
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 5: against the Cowboys than maybe the final score indicated. If

908
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 5: you remember Week three, that primetime game it met life.

909
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 5: You know Saquan runs for that touchdown middle of the

910
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 5: third quarter, Giants had to lead, Uh, And it wasn't

911
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 5: Dak Prescott. It was Cooper Rush that ended up coming

912
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 5: back and beating them that night. So I think the

913
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 5: Giants were a lot closer to the Cowboys than maybe

914
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 5: people gave them credit for last year in their individual

915
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 5: head to head meetings. So week one we're gonna find out.

916
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 5: I mean, they have to send a message for themselves,

917
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 5: proof to themselves that they're here, and they are, you know,

918
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 5: better than maybe some people think. And you know, like

919
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 5: Paul said, you can't go zero and four against the

920
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 5: top two teams in your division and expect to continue

921
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 5: to make the playoffs again. Uh yeah, seven teams in.

922
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 5: Can you be the third again? You're gonna need a

923
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 5: lot to go your way if you're gonna get swept

924
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 5: by the two teams ahead of you.

925
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, last year they went four and er

926
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: against the ANFC South. I don't think anyone thinks they're

927
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: going fore and all against the AFC East this year,

928
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: given how much better that division is. So you're not

929
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: going to have that built in cushion if you don't

930
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: do as well in the division. Tom, your thoughts on

931
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: the NFC East, Yeah, it's all.

932
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: About the division and and the Eagles. You know, some

933
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: of the things the Eagles are doing remind me of

934
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: how the Giants acted when they came off some of

935
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: their recent Super Bowls, where they just kind of roll

936
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: everybody back and hope, hope that it happens again. And

937
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys were talking about retiring after

938
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: last season, and now all of a sudden, they're back

939
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: and they're going to be key players, and you kind

940
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: of wonder how that affects the mentality and the drive

941
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: of the team. And and there is a cliff that

942
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: that guys drive off of when when their physical skills

943
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: start to erode all of a sudden, and man, it

944
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: comes fast.

945
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

946
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: That's that being said. I still think that the Eagles

947
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: are the cream of the division, and I think that

948
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: they as has been said by my colleagues here, the

949
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the Giants are sort of jostling for that

950
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: that second spot.

951
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: It's a it's a.

952
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: Big hail Mary to hope that there's three playoff teams

953
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: from this division once again like there was last year,

954
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: and I don't see that happening. So to get there,

955
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: the Giants have to have to beat the Cowboys, and

956
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: that's something that they Saquon Barkley has never walked off

957
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: the field in a game that he's played where he's

958
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: beaten the Cowboys. He's he's been here. This is his

959
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: sixth year, right, He's never never beaten, never been on

960
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: in a game that's that he's beaten the Cowboys.

961
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 3: That's that's a long time. That's a pretty lopsided, uh streak.

962
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: So I think that this opening game for them is

963
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: probably more important than just about any opener that they

964
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: that they've had in quite a long time.

965
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, they haven't beat Dak Prescott since twenty sixteen when

966
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: he was a rookie, so it's been a while. Sure,

967
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: it's crazy when you think about it. Tom, right back

968
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: to you. Now, put it in the context of the

969
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: NFC in general. Right as you're going for a wildcard spot,

970
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: I think you can make an argument of the Giants

971
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: are sitting in the NFC North of the NFC South,

972
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: I think you can make a great argument they would

973
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: be among the favorites to win either one of those

974
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 2: two divisions. Obviously they're not in one of those divisions,

975
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: but I feel like once you get past those, you know,

976
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: two teams, the NFC East and San Francisco, this is

977
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: a wide open conference and you could see any of

978
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: a half dozen teams making up the rest of those

979
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: playoffs spots.

980
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: You guys are gonna make fun of me now for

981
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: this whole columnist thing, but I've made the point in

982
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: the past that the Jets have a better chance of

983
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: making the playoffs. But if the Giants make the playoffs,

984
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: they have a better chance of going to the Super Bowl,

985
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: because that AFC is just so stacked that even if

986
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: the Jets get in, they still got to go through

987
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Baltimore, Cincinnati, but maybe even Buffalo. Again, there's

988
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: a big lineup of teams that are contending for titles there,

989
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: San Diego even right, I mean, yeah, who knows what

990
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: Herbert's gonna have this year. So you look at that

991
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: that path as opposed to the Giants and the NFC,

992
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: and you say, okay, San Francisco and Philadelphia, and then

993
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: then who, well's there's really not not many people out

994
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: there that that scare you. There's there's obviously going to

995
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: be playoff teams, but they're you know, the Vikings, the Bears.

996
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: The Lions.

997
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: Maybe that those those could all be all be contenders,

998
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: but I think I think that it's a very it's

999
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: a very thin top of the top.

1000
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: To top of the line there in the NFC.

1001
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: And so if the Giants do get in, I think

1002
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: that they have a real opportunity to to make noise,

1003
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be harder for them to get in

1004
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: because their division is so good. You love turf, you're

1005
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: good at it.

1006
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 4: So you start a turf business grows, your savings grow,

1007
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 4: become the most celebrated name in turfs?

1008
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: Are you ready for all that life brings? Paul? Your

1009
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: thoughts on that and just also just the you know,

1010
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: I think we talked about the tough first six games.

1011
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: Right do you have San Francisco, you have Dallas, you

1012
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 2: have Buffalo, you have Miami in there, you have Seattle

1013
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: in there. Just your overall thoughts on kind of trying

1014
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 2: to get to the win total. You need to compet

1015
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: with those other NFC teams and get into the playoffs.

1016
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 4: You know every year. We certainly can, we can, we

1017
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 4: can you know, look at the opener and say, oh,

1018
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 4: this is going to send a message. This is you know,

1019
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 4: I mean, can you put too much into the Giants

1020
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 4: Cowboys opener? Of course you can put too much into it.

1021
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 4: But I mean if they beat the Cowboys and then

1022
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 4: the narrative is, well, it doesn't mean anything if they

1023
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 4: don't beat the Cardinals the next week, right, because the

1024
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: Cardinals might be the worst team in football, you know,

1025
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 4: all but it's a long trip and they maybe they'll

1026
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 4: be looking ahead to the forty nine ers on Thursday night.

1027
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 4: You know, it's and we all do it. We all

1028
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 4: do it. We go week to weekend and we say, okay,

1029
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 4: well if they lose this game, then they might have

1030
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: two losses in a row because of this. Look. I mean,

1031
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: I think the one must win on the whole schedules

1032
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 4: the Cardinal game because you have to beat the Cardinals

1033
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 4: because they stink, right, you know, like the tank you

1034
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: know if you look. I mean, I think we all

1035
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 4: would agree that the Giants are an ascending team. To

1036
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: what degree you know is the key? I would think,

1037
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: And you know what Tom said about about the conference.

1038
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: I mean, the forty nine ers are really good. The

1039
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 4: Seahawks ascending, The Rams are not ascending. The Cardinals are plummeting.

1040
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 4: The Vikings I think I wouldn't call them ascending. I

1041
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 4: would say kind of neutral, pretty good team. The Lions

1042
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 4: are ascending. We all think right. Packers are definitely not ascending.

1043
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: The Bears are trying with a young quarterback there. I

1044
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 4: don't look at them as ascending. I don't look at

1045
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: anyone in the NFC South isn't ascending team. You know,

1046
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 4: they got all kinds of quarterback craziness in that in

1047
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 4: that division. So you know, the Giants have a chance

1048
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 4: in the conference. Yes, but unfortunately, you know, they have

1049
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 4: like the third nicest house in a neighborhood. You know

1050
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: what I mean, you know, in their neighborhood because their

1051
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 4: neighborhood is so upscale, but the rest of the surrounding

1052
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 4: area is not that great. That's the my little bit

1053
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: of real estate comparison that I will offer today.

1054
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: All well, by the way, that might have been the

1055
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 2: best metaphor of the podcast. If you want that award,

1056
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 2: you want that one? Is that good?

1057
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 4: It's not a simile, right, it's a metaphor.

1058
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: I get them confused.

1059
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 5: So analogy maybe analogy that's.

1060
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 4: A good one.

1061
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.

1062
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 6: Okay, so really, okay, I'll do the neighbor I get

1063
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 6: the neighborhood watch thing.

1064
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: Okay, good, I'm done that. And I can't say anything

1065
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 4: else because yeah, so.

1066
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 5: The way the way Tom and Paul are throwing out

1067
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 5: lines in here and analogies, I guess I'm the giants

1068
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 5: of the three reporters that are on here with you today.

1069
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 5: I get to be the third. And you know it's

1070
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 5: my house is pretty nice too.

1071
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: That makes me Washington And basically what you're saying.

1072
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 5: You know, I think I mean to add to everything

1073
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 5: that these guys said. The one thing that I think

1074
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 5: of it is interesting about the schedule is number one,

1075
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 5: I'm not fearful of the schedule for the Giants because

1076
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 5: this is where this is going to be a team

1077
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 5: that competes, you know, off of what last year, if

1078
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 5: you take anything out of last year, is that this

1079
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 5: team is so well coached and the players respond to

1080
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 5: that coaching. You know that you're not blowing smoke by saying, oh,

1081
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 5: these guys are so well coached. We saw that weekend

1082
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 5: week out they went and competed in situations where quite frankly,

1083
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 5: there were a lot of people, including probably the four

1084
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 5: of us, who thought, you know what, they may get

1085
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 5: their doors blown off Week one in Tennessee against Baltimore

1086
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 5: when they came back from London by you know, so

1087
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 5: they showed metal. Now it's a different team, but you

1088
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 5: have a lot of the same makeup the character of

1089
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 5: this team this you know, the important players on this

1090
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 5: team are back this year still with something to prove.

1091
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 5: I think one thing that could help the Giants is

1092
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 5: the fact that there are games against teams that you

1093
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 5: would imagine they're going to be competing with for the

1094
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 5: wild Cards on this schedule. Early, you have Seattle. Late,

1095
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 5: you have New Orleans and Green Bay on the schedule.

1096
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 5: So while those would be difficult games or challenging games,

1097
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 5: you win those games and all of a sudden, you know,

1098
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 5: maybe you are putting yourself in position again to be

1099
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 5: that third team out of the NFC East if you

1100
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 5: split with Dallas and you're you know, you're right there,

1101
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 5: and who knows how things are going, So you know,

1102
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 5: everything you guys have said is one hundred percent correct.

1103
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 5: But if you look at last year, I hate the

1104
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 5: idea of when we always talk strength of schedule and

1105
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 5: where everything is, we just don't we don't know. I mean,

1106
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 5: look at last year. You know last year Week one,

1107
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 5: there was no way they should beat Tennessee and they

1108
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 5: lose if Tennessee hits that field goal and they don't.

1109
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 5: And that's just the way the football gods work. And

1110
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 5: you put yourself in position to win these games and

1111
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 5: you hope you make a play. You know, the game

1112
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 5: in London, Aaron Rodgers had four shots from I think

1113
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 5: the twelve yard line to get in the end zone

1114
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 5: and essentially beat them in London. Last year you had

1115
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 5: Caevon knock down a pass, and then Xavier McKinney knocks

1116
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 5: down a pass, and you know, you look at it

1117
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 5: and you go, how do they win that game? About?

1118
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: How about the ravens of legal procedure penalty that the

1119
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: third down back in the game. Is a lot of

1120
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: crazy things late.

1121
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 5: You know, you could point to all these things. You know,

1122
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 5: you go back to Super Bowl forty two and you know,

1123
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 5: ty Law doesn't drop that interception, Samuel Samuel, sorry, yeah,

1124
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 5: and then you go, you know, forty six and you

1125
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 5: know who knows if I think it was Welker right

1126
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 5: who dropped the pass?

1127
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: Go back the title game with them up punts. I mean, yeah,

1128
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: It's that's the way football is.

1129
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 5: When you watch this enough and we all have watched

1130
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 5: this enough, and you have the institutional knowledge of the Giants.

1131
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 5: I think there are things that are gonna happen this

1132
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 5: year that we didn't see coming. But the one guaranteed,

1133
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 5: the one constant I believe, is that this team is

1134
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 5: heading in the right direction. Like Paul said, it's ascending.

1135
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 5: I think some of the players are really good. I mean,

1136
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 5: you could end the season having the best left tackle

1137
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 5: and the best defensive tackle in football. That to me

1138
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 5: in this situation sets them up for a lot of success.

1139
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 5: And they're under contract until like twenty forty five or

1140
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 5: something like that, so I think I think they're as sending.

1141
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 5: I'm excited to cover this team because I think there

1142
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 5: are gonna be a lot of good things and a

1143
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 5: lot of important games on the schedule to cover that

1144
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 5: we just really can't predict. Whereas you know, as we've

1145
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 5: seen the last decade or so, there have been a

1146
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 5: lot of weeks where you've gone in going I know

1147
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 5: what I'm gonna see, and I don't know if this

1148
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 5: player is gonna be here next year or this player

1149
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 5: or that player. I think they're building something, and that

1150
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 5: to me, that's fun.

1151
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: All right, final a whipper around the table. Here, we'll

1152
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: give our predictions. We never get them wrong here, we're

1153
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: right every year we all had the Giants in the playoffs.

1154
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: Last year, we would be nailed it. So take this

1155
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: to the bank, folks. I'll go first, and I said

1156
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: this on our Big Loop Kickoff Live NFL preview show,

1157
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: so I'll go check that out. By the way, I

1158
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 2: got the Giants at nine and eight, third place NFC East,

1159
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: but I do have them getting a wildcard spot. And

1160
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: I had my Super Bowl champion as the Bengals, and

1161
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: I had a little bit of a surprising ency had

1162
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: the Bengals beating Dallas in the Super Bowl coming out

1163
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: of the NFC. So those are my two point why

1164
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 2: don't we go to youth years?

1165
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 4: I picked the Giants at seven and ten last year, okay,

1166
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 4: and most the most common reaction was, you're being optimistic.

1167
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: You know you're being optimistic at seven and ten. They

1168
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 4: won nine games. I don't see why they can't win

1169
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 4: one more game than they did last year. They're better.

1170
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: I agree with Art with the schedule. I'm putting the

1171
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 4: schedule off on the side. You know, the schedule is

1172
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 4: the schedule. You know, they don't we don't know what's

1173
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 4: going to happen with these teams. So I think that

1174
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pick them for ten and seven. Where is that? Uh?

1175
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 4: You know what the Cowboys probably do for a fall,

1176
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 4: you know, so I could say it could be second place,

1177
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 4: you know, I mean I didn't, you know, you know,

1178
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I just think the Cowboys are are either

1179
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 4: really good or they're they're you know, they're coaches on

1180
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 4: thin ice here. So maybe the whole division takes a

1181
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 4: little step down. You know, the Eagles. I don't think

1182
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 4: I'll win fourteen. Everything takes a little step down. I

1183
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 4: kind of was picking the Bengals in the Super Bow too,

1184
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 4: and I like the forty nine ers. I really do,

1185
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 4: you know, I think I think this brock party is

1186
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 4: is pretty good. Sorry, we can edit that out right.

1187
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 5: You've not taken that, You've not taken that analogy thing,

1188
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 5: and I just.

1189
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, it's it's bizarre. He's the last

1190
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 4: player picking in the draft, and it's like he looks

1191
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 4: like he's a good quarterback and he's got you know,

1192
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 4: he's got moxie things like that. So I'm gonna say

1193
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 4: the Bengals over the forty nine Ers in the Super

1194
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 4: Bowl and Giants ten and seven, Tommy, how about you?

1195
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the previous call has stole my dunda. Uh yeah, No,

1196
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: I picked the Giants for nine and seven, probably getting

1197
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: that last wild wild card spot just because nobody else

1198
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: will be in the in the conference will be uh

1199
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: being up that high.

1200
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 2: Well, Tommy, nine and eight or ten and seven, there's

1201
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 2: seventeen games, now.

1202
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's right, that's right, Well, nine to seven

1203
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: and one.

1204
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 4: Yeah. You see. See this is the problem with columnists.

1205
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 4: You know, they think big picture things. They don't worry

1206
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 4: about stats and numbers. They don't you know that You

1207
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 4: throw facts in their faces and they're like, well, I'll

1208
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 4: just write my way around that. You know, nine and seven.

1209
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 4: Good God, I thought I was living in the past.

1210
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: But nine, nine and eight, nine and eight.

1211
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: Is my pick then, and I will go with the

1212
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: I too have the uh, the revenge of Boomerisias in

1213
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: Super Bowl.

1214
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: Uh, there won't be a There won't be a John

1215
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: Candy siding. We know that for sure.

1216
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: And the Bengals will come down and score the last

1217
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: last minute touchdown to beat the forty nine ers.

1218
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 5: Like it, ar Oh, I so want to it. This

1219
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 5: is the second time I'm mentioning him. But I so

1220
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 5: want to do a Serbian pick Giants Jets in the

1221
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. But I will not be doing that. I

1222
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 5: agree with Paul. I think it's ten wins for the

1223
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 5: Giants this year. Last year I had them at six wins.

1224
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 5: For transparency purposes. Transparent parency purposes. You know, I think

1225
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 5: they finished second in Division. I think they beat the

1226
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 5: Cowboys on Opening night, and I think that it's time

1227
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 5: they take that next step. And I do think that

1228
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 5: Dak is going to be under a lot of pressure

1229
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 5: this year with the Cowboys. I think it's going to

1230
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 5: affect the Cowboys a little bit. And you talk about

1231
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 5: teams just rolling forward and thinking they could just pluck

1232
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 5: guys off. Is Stefan Gilmour going to be the guy

1233
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 5: that he was back when he was with the Patriots.

1234
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 5: I don't know what the Cowboys I mean. So I

1235
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 5: think the Giants have a good chance on Opening Night

1236
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 5: to really, like we said, make that statement for my

1237
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. I like the forty nine ers too. It's

1238
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 5: I think forty nine Ers and Eagles are still the

1239
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 5: class of the NFC and in the AFC. I'm going Buffalo.

1240
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 5: I think this is their run that you know, they've

1241
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 5: got to be steaming in Buffalo, sitting there going look

1242
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 5: at all the attention Rogers and the Jets are getting.

1243
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 5: You know, they just think that all of a sudden

1244
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 5: they're going to bring in a quarterback. And you know,

1245
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 5: they had us beat last year, they beat us once.

1246
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 5: I think Buffalo is the team that so many people

1247
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 5: were picking last year that I think they're kind of

1248
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 5: a forgotten team this year. So I'm gonna go Buffalo

1249
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 5: forty nine ers and I'm giving the super Bowl to Buffalo.

1250
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna win. I think there's gonna be

1251
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 5: a little chip. I think von Miller comes back healthy

1252
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 5: after the pup list, and I think they're the team

1253
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 5: that Josh Allen plays better than he played last year.

1254
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 5: I think it was a big adjustment going from Brian

1255
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 5: Dable to Ken Dorsey. I think he missed Dable last year.

1256
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 5: And I think Josh Allen will take a step forward

1257
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 5: this year rather than really a step backward that I

1258
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 5: think he talked last year. So Buffalo over San Francisco.

1259
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the Bengals being the Bills in the

1260
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: FC championshiapame, and so Patrick Mahomes is like, oh, you

1261
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: naive fools. You all are to be clever and not

1262
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: tick me. Watch me do this again. I know all

1263
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: you guys are doing a lot of stuff. I mentioned

1264
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 2: your newspaper affiliations. I know a lot of you guys

1265
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: a podcast and everything. Want to give you a chance

1266
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: to promote him. Tom have you have you developed it

1267
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: between a rock and a hard places podcast? Yet I

1268
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: still think it's a tremendous title.

1269
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 3: No, not yet, not yet.

1270
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: I was talking to Nacho about coming up with some

1271
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: kind of a podcast name for him and him and

1272
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: Boogie now that their lockers.

1273
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: Are so close to each other, Nacho and Boogie. I

1274
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know how we're gonna figure that out.

1275
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: But uh no, not not yet. Now you can just

1276
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 3: you just have to read what I write. You can't.

1277
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: You don't have to listen to what I say.

1278
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: NFL columnist National NFL communist Tom Rock from news Day, Paul,

1279
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: how about you?

1280
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 4: Yes, the Blue Rush podcast will be back. I guess

1281
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 4: for what the fourth year, fifth year, I don't remember.

1282
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: You know, Times you back again or no? Because you

1283
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: still got tinsy.

1284
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 4: With you leave Lawrence. Times will be back. So this

1285
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 4: is the only you know, there's a lot of podcasts

1286
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 4: out there, this is the only one with a two

1287
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 4: time This is the only podcast in the world that

1288
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 4: has as a co host someone who twice kicked his

1289
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 4: team to the Super Bowl with an overtime field goal.

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Speaker 4: I dare anyone to refute that.

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Speaker 5: I was waiting for the two time champs. I was like, Bob,

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Speaker 5: Papa is already running into the studio and Carl Banks

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Speaker 5: and their podcast. My podcast is All In with Art Stapleton.

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Speaker 5: You know some guy does it, and we started up

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Speaker 5: a newsletter. I know Paul is his newsletter, but it's

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Speaker 5: all In All In with the Giants. You can check

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Speaker 5: that out. Has all my coverage every week, so appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Hire everybody.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you go check out everything these guys are doing.

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Speaker 2: We old joke with each other, we take shots at

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Speaker 2: each other, but really, guys, thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 2: You do it because I think you think it's fun

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Speaker 2: and enjoyable, but I appreciate you. Paul's on vacation, taking

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Speaker 2: time Tom Everyone's starting their Labor Day weekends. Art, I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate you coming and doing this. Thank you guys.

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Speaker 2: I know the fans love it. Is one of our

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Speaker 2: my favorite podcasts to do every year. Thanks for being

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Speaker 2: with us on the Giants Huddle. Enjoy your Labor Day

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Speaker 2: weekend everybody. And then it's game week. Finally a game

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Speaker 2: to talk about. None of this offseason stuff that we've

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Speaker 2: been training your ears with for four months. Talk football.

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Speaker 2: Have a great weekend, g I see on Monday