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Speaker 3: Is the stand watch.
Speaker 1: Yazi Katie.
Speaker 3: This episode today is literally, ugh, most people's when I
Speaker 3: look up Scandal, this one is. If it's not everyone's
Speaker 3: number one favorite, it's a close second to the Trail.
Speaker 3: It's one or the other. This is my personal favorite
Speaker 3: episode that Scandal ever made. Same it is is so special,
Speaker 3: it is so beautiful. It should have been nominated and
Speaker 3: won every single award that television can provide. Gama Diez's work,
Speaker 3: and it is so stupid. It's so stupid what you
Speaker 3: did in this fucking show, you dumb.
Speaker 1: Listen everyone though, everyone, Oh, all the gladiators talking to
Speaker 1: Huck while he's going through his you knowugh, his his
Speaker 1: you know, reciting those numbers that are so significant, Like
Speaker 1: you guys' work was so so beautiful it was.
Speaker 3: It's such an episode will stand the test of time,
Speaker 3: because my god, it is like one of the best
Speaker 3: episodes of television. And we had to bring on a
Speaker 3: guest today that I have not seen in a very
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 1: No I since she directed us the last episode she
Speaker 1: directed us. I mean she did a few after this
Speaker 1: episode and that's the last time I saw her.
Speaker 3: And we had to bring her on as a special
Speaker 3: special guest because this episode she was one of the
Speaker 3: I guess, integral parts to making the episode as special
Speaker 3: as it could have been. This episode was such a
Speaker 3: collaboration between Giermo and Hawk and the writer and this
Speaker 3: fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: Director director who is fun as fuck. Also, like she's
Speaker 1: such a down girl, like fuck h just happy, like
Speaker 1: just brought joy to the set every single day, even
Speaker 1: with this you know, the subject matter in this episode,
Speaker 1: which is is super downer, but she was just a
Speaker 1: light man and she she guided us through this heavy
Speaker 1: shit man, especially me. I was like I was a
Speaker 1: mess shooting this episode. I mean a literal a mess.
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine the depths of despair and the
Speaker 3: places in your brain and heart that you had to
Speaker 3: go to to shoot this episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, today's guest is the.
Speaker 3: One and only Lady Brown. She directed the episode IDLED
Speaker 3: seven fifty two, which is episode two nineteen, and I
Speaker 3: we are forever in her debt because again, like she
Speaker 3: just led us and we had no time. We got
Speaker 3: this script at like in the later part of the afternoon.
Speaker 3: I sort of vaguely remember, and we were literally on
Speaker 3: set at six o'clock in the morning already making.
Speaker 1: Oh, starting to share this out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know what her prep time was.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to ask her here, Mo, Like, you
Speaker 3: didn't know leading into seven to fifty two that this
Speaker 3: was coming down the pike for you, did you know?
Speaker 1: Not at all? There was like rumblings, like writers would
Speaker 1: be like, Oh, there's something really good coming up for you.
Speaker 1: There's there's a really good script coming up. So that's
Speaker 1: that was the extent of what I knew about this episode.
Speaker 1: And I do remember we had that table read, remember,
Speaker 1: and it was such an emotional table reader. Yes, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a court room.
Speaker 4: It was so sometimes listeners.
Speaker 3: Normally we would always do the Scandal table reads in
Speaker 3: a big like conference room on the stages on Sunset Gower,
Speaker 3: which is the lot we shot on for all seven seasons.
Speaker 3: But once in a while we would be shooting an
Speaker 3: episode that, like on table read day, we wouldn't be
Speaker 3: at the stages, and this was one of those where
Speaker 3: we were actually shooting in a courtroom for whatever happened
Speaker 3: in episode two eighteen.
Speaker 4: That I can't remember anymore.
Speaker 1: I can't remember.
Speaker 3: And so they set up the table read where we
Speaker 3: were in this sort of like ominous, huge courtroom that
Speaker 3: you could was it also on a sound stage somewhere.
Speaker 1: I believe, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: was too Yeah. And they set up a big table. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That room was just like completely it was almost like
Speaker 3: sacred or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it felt like we all went to church or
Speaker 4: some shit.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, like.
Speaker 4: It felt spiritual. The room felt changed.
Speaker 3: We all felt changed at the table read of this episode.
Speaker 1: I think we all knew. You could feel how special
Speaker 1: the episode was and how different from all the others
Speaker 1: it was palpable.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember having a hard time having a hard time
Speaker 1: getting through reading the lines because I was getting emotional
Speaker 1: as I was reading it, and I had never read
Speaker 1: it before, you know what I mean? Who And then
Speaker 1: as an actor, you're like, I gotta fucking learn, like
Speaker 1: monologue after monologue and.
Speaker 4: Like really go there there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, I was thinking, we should not
Speaker 3: have Alison Liddy Brown unless you want to read the
Speaker 3: synopsis and scandal pace. Maybe she should give us a
Speaker 3: directing note.
Speaker 1: Right Ooh, I like that Katie.
Speaker 4: But I haven't seen her in one hundred years.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know what the last episode she directed
Speaker 3: of Scandal was, but she directed a bunch. She was
Speaker 3: a real fan favorite amongst the crew, amongst the cast,
Speaker 3: amongst the writers. She just got it. She's got a
Speaker 3: fucking cool vibe. The crew loves her. She's great at
Speaker 3: giving direction to actors, and she's just like a one
Speaker 3: of a kind. I think she directs it at Gray's Anatomy. Still,
Speaker 3: I have no idea. We'll have to ask her when
Speaker 3: she comes on because it's been forever.
Speaker 1: I think he might have done Station nineteen.
Speaker 4: Also, oh, maybe she did Station nineteen.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: She's a gem, man, She's a gem. Like you said,
Speaker 1: she's one of those directors that they just kept asking back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because everyone loved her so much.
Speaker 3: The question is, when you watch this episode back, are
Speaker 3: you proud of your work?
Speaker 1: Oh? My god, so so proud. And I texted Katie
Speaker 1: last night or I video messaged her saying hey, and
Speaker 1: I was sobbing. Mike was in the living room and
Speaker 1: he he was like really and he left the room
Speaker 1: like he was so mad because he was crying he
Speaker 1: was like, really, I can't do this right now, like
Speaker 1: it's eight in the morning.
Speaker 4: I was like, it was a hysterical cry.
Speaker 1: Yes, we both were, Yeah, yeah, it's we both were.
Speaker 3: It's the most painful fucking episode for those you listening,
Speaker 3: Like when Huck goes into the hole and they are
Speaker 3: forcing you over and over again do you have a
Speaker 3: wife and family and you're like no, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: until they beat it out of him and he's been
Speaker 3: in the hole for a million months, until he finally says, no.
Speaker 4: It is. It is the worst. It is fucking worst.
Speaker 1: And the Wig progression brilliant, brilliant. Really, the Wig and
Speaker 1: Beard progression.
Speaker 4: Is just go down into a real hole. What did
Speaker 4: they make? What was that constructed out of? Did they
Speaker 4: in the ground? What the fuck was that?
Speaker 1: What is the lot in Burbank? Like here where Ellen shoots.
Speaker 1: There was like sound stages there and we shot there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was like a there's a hole there,
Speaker 4: there's a hole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a hole there, y'all.
Speaker 3: I've I never did anything surrounding or in the hole,
Speaker 3: so I have no clue what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Now. What I heard that ain't what I heard.
Speaker 3: Katie I've never been around it.
Speaker 1: It was like to a two level thing, so they
Speaker 1: could shoot from above obviously when you see me down
Speaker 1: in the hole and then there were no walls around
Speaker 1: the hole. I was just in this you know, in
Speaker 1: in in this space that they created to look like
Speaker 1: a you know, like a tight hole.
Speaker 4: Were you scared in there?
Speaker 1: No? No, because there were no walls so I didn't
Speaker 1: feel cluster. You don't hear anything? Yeah, no, no, no, no, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's good fun fact. There's there's some fun like blooper
Speaker 1: stuff on on the DVDs of me and the hole
Speaker 1: and uh.
Speaker 4: What are you doing out there? Just like dancing around?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I think when they're asking me about my family,
Speaker 1: I start saying some stupid shit like maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: like something like that. It's just goofy. I start to
Speaker 1: get goofy, and they put it in this.
Speaker 4: Funny gebo, where's your wife and family? Do you have one? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. Yeah, it was stupid.
Speaker 4: It's so stupid, this fucking episode.
Speaker 3: I can't be acting on everyone's Oh everyone gets their moment.
Speaker 1: Yo even fits in Olivia like there their ship in
Speaker 1: this episode is.
Speaker 3: Freaking He's still in the hospital bed right, and like
Speaker 3: she doesn't trust him, she doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker 4: Yes, she's like, uh uh yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Don't believe you.
Speaker 4: I don't believe ye. I mean unbelievable.
Speaker 3: We should look up wait, I'm gonna IMDb real quick
Speaker 3: so that the listeners know the genius with which we
Speaker 3: are about to be blessed is what Allison Lyddy Brown
Speaker 3: else has done?
Speaker 4: Or did you already look this up?
Speaker 1: Oh, she's done a bunch of stuff. Yeah, lizanas yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me.
Speaker 4: Se Oh my god. Also she's fucking gorgeous. What just
Speaker 4: came up? Wait? Okay.
Speaker 3: So she made her directorial debut on the first season
Speaker 3: of the Nickelodeon series The Secret World of Alex Mack.
Speaker 1: That's it, That's it, which I love.
Speaker 3: She then went on to direct episodes for a number
Speaker 3: of notable television series, namely The Mystery Files of Shelby
Speaker 3: Wu Xena Warrior, Princess Beverly.
Speaker 4: Hills nine o two one of them.
Speaker 3: Gotta ask her about that Star Trek Voyager Evan Stevens
Speaker 3: CSI Crime Scene Investigation CSA, every CSI under the Sun,
Speaker 3: Chock Gray's anatomy. Oh, she directed A Bunch of Friday
Speaker 3: Night Lights which is oh beautiful, directed shows.
Speaker 4: Ever gossip Girl.
Speaker 3: In twenty ten, she won the Director's Guild of America's
Speaker 3: Award for Outstanding Directorial Achievement in Children's Programming for directing
Speaker 3: the original movie Princess Protection Program starring Selena Gomez and
Speaker 3: Demi Lovado with my neighbor and I want to ask
Speaker 3: her about working with them anyway, she's here and we
Speaker 3: don't want to waste her time. But drum roll, please
Speaker 3: one the.
Speaker 4: Alice.
Speaker 1: Yes, you guys, Alison, what is happening right now? You
Speaker 1: look exactly the same as you did ten years ago? Whatever,
Speaker 1: what is happening?
Speaker 3: We're just looking at your wiki, wiki, wiki page, and.
Speaker 4: How look at this? Look at this? This is you,
Speaker 4: this is Look at how gorgeous.
Speaker 1: You have not age.
Speaker 3: I'm showing a picture of her her winning a very fancy,
Speaker 3: sexy ward.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, I feel like this is you directing? Oh no,
Speaker 3: this is you directing Gray's Anatomy. Yeah, look at that
Speaker 3: fucking coat. Alison Liddy Brown always has fashion, cool glasses,
Speaker 3: a cool director style.
Speaker 4: There's always a.
Speaker 5: Look at me, look at that coat?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but you were always comfortable, like looking good
Speaker 1: and fly, but comfortable.
Speaker 4: Got to be comfortable, right, Yeah, Well she's not an idiot.
Speaker 4: She's like like, I could get on the floor with you, guys.
Speaker 5: I had to make sure I could get on the ground.
Speaker 1: Yes, be with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I miss you.
Speaker 3: We miss Alison Liddy Brown. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for asking me to be here. This
Speaker 5: is my pleasure, you guys. I mean some shows I've
Speaker 5: worked on, you know, I look back on them and
Speaker 5: I think, oh, but this show nothing but good vibes.
Speaker 5: I mean from the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but how does it feel to direct?
Speaker 1: You directed one of the most like loved episodes of Scandal.
Speaker 4: When we do a deep dive.
Speaker 1: About that, it's her favorite episode.
Speaker 3: Seven fifty two, which is the episode we're talking about today. Yes,
Speaker 3: when I go deep and I like look on the
Speaker 3: internet of everyone's favorite Scandal episodes of all time, it's
Speaker 3: either and it's split perfectly seven fifty two or the Trail.
Speaker 4: And I like.
Speaker 3: Seven fifty two is my personal favorite Scanned episode of
Speaker 3: all time. It's gier MOA's favorite. It's Vince, our producer's favorite.
Speaker 3: It's one of Shonda Rhime's favorite and you directed.
Speaker 4: The shit out of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's very nice of you guys, But you
Speaker 5: guys acted the shit out of it. And the writer
Speaker 5: was amazing. I mean that he you know. I called the.
Speaker 6: Uh fantastic editor Matt Ramsey because he edited it, and
Speaker 6: I called him yesterday and I was like, dude, I
Speaker 6: just rewatched this fucking great.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: From an editing standpoint, I thought about.
Speaker 1: That, Oh I did. Yeah, the transitions, the transition transitions, Allison,
Speaker 1: how how like involved were you with the editing? Are
Speaker 1: you there with him or does he do a pass
Speaker 1: and then you sort of give notes or how does
Speaker 1: it work?
Speaker 5: Sure? And a lot of people probably don't know this,
Speaker 5: but you know, episodic directors, we are mostly journey people.
Speaker 5: We come in I do you know, nine different shows
Speaker 5: a year. That's how I used to do it. And
Speaker 5: some people think, oh, you're the only director. Are you
Speaker 5: direct scandal? I'm like, no, no, no, I've directed a
Speaker 5: few scandal. I don't want to think you know, they
Speaker 5: put that on. Wait, that's not her name. So people
Speaker 5: don't know that, and they should understand that the creative
Speaker 5: process with the director is I have to it's like
Speaker 5: I'm a little circus. I go from one to another
Speaker 5: to another, and sometimes the vibe is so perfect. It
Speaker 5: really is. And with with you, guys, it really was
Speaker 5: just I mean from the beginning, like do your people
Speaker 5: know that? Carrie Washington and I was lucky enough to
Speaker 5: do episode three of season one. Hell have no Fury,
Speaker 5: I think is what it was called. She started every episode,
Speaker 5: all of us together in that okay.
Speaker 4: This yet, I'm so glad you're bringing this.
Speaker 1: I know you're the first.
Speaker 5: How would she do it? Let's all do it right now,
Speaker 5: if you're near a table, ready and go.
Speaker 7: Yes, That's how we would start. So the blood was flowing,
Speaker 7: the creativity was flowing, the trust was flowing.
Speaker 5: And that's why that show's amazing. It's because of that.
Speaker 4: I totally.
Speaker 3: You guys, for Kerry Washington started this tradition. I want
Speaker 3: to say, I don't. I might have been episode three,
Speaker 3: it might have been the first episode you ever directed.
Speaker 3: But every single episode she would gather the hire crew
Speaker 3: and cast on day one, scream the episode number and
Speaker 3: tell everyone to bang on any fucking our surface that
Speaker 3: you could find and yelp and scream and gather like
Speaker 3: the work everybody were Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yes, everybody. Everybody gravitated toward it.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what made because as I'm watching
Speaker 5: it and I said to Matt Ramsey, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 5: this happened ten years ago. What do you remember. To
Speaker 5: go back to your question, Girma, I get four days,
Speaker 5: The editor gets four days. So the editor puts together
Speaker 5: what we call either an assemble or a cut, depending
Speaker 5: on how you see it. And then I put together
Speaker 5: a DC, a director's cut, and I get four days
Speaker 5: in which to do that, unless there's some kind of
Speaker 5: problem with air dates, and then they can peel it back.
Speaker 5: But this is for the union. This is what the
Speaker 5: union has given us. So I did get to sit
Speaker 5: with Matt Ramsey, who is a blast in the editing room. Also,
Speaker 5: he loves my shit, so that's why I also, I
Speaker 5: can't believe you did this. I'm like, I know, right,
Speaker 5: so it makes me happy this script.
Speaker 3: Do you have any idea I know that like, first
Speaker 3: of all, being like the episodic director that you are,
Speaker 3: which honestly now I didn't know before Scandal because I
Speaker 3: didn't work very much. How the ask that is being
Speaker 3: made of you is practically impossible. Like I'm just like
Speaker 3: being a director that thank you for saying it's impossible
Speaker 3: to be a true episodic director and just in from
Speaker 3: show to show and rally all these egos and personalities
Speaker 3: and different job titles for better or for worse and
Speaker 3: keep them on task and make an artistic, wonderful project
Speaker 3: and make the hours and make the days and make
Speaker 3: this the turnarounds is so insane and stressful.
Speaker 1: To have answers for every department's question. It's like that
Speaker 1: was my biggest thing, Like I just directed something and
Speaker 1: it just everyone comes to you right for with questions
Speaker 1: and you have to you have to be confident in
Speaker 1: it and have answers. And that's like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: You're the guest.
Speaker 3: You have to have answers to all these departments who
Speaker 3: they are there all the time. Yeah, all actually might
Speaker 3: know better than you in some regard because you are
Speaker 3: the guest. But you also have to walk this fine
Speaker 3: line of like, but I'm the director and I make
Speaker 3: the final say, but also I'm in collaboration with you
Speaker 3: because this is your permanent home and not my permanent home.
Speaker 4: It's weird, no joke, it's.
Speaker 5: No joke, and it is It's kind of one of
Speaker 5: the weirdest jobs I've ever heard of. But I actually
Speaker 5: picked this job because I could wear these.
Speaker 3: Yes makers she's seeing sneakers.
Speaker 5: I had to sit back and think to myself, what
Speaker 5: job can I wear whatever I want? Because really, clothes
Speaker 5: are important to me and feel good, Like how do
Speaker 5: I feel good in my body and in my clothing
Speaker 5: and in and in? You know, Carrie Washington said to me,
Speaker 5: I can't imagine you do doing any other job, you know,
Speaker 5: like you just like you just And I remember thinking,
Speaker 5: you're right, I would if you ask me what other
Speaker 5: job could you do? I don't know what it would
Speaker 5: be because I love it and I love it because
Speaker 5: I love actors.
Speaker 4: That you can feel it. That's the we really really
Speaker 4: fear it fail.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm glad Alison, you you were. You guided us
Speaker 1: so beautifully.
Speaker 3: Wait wait before we dive into scandal, because I'm a
Speaker 3: fan and Garmu does this all the time. What was
Speaker 3: it like directing Friday Night Lights? Because that's one of
Speaker 3: my all time favorite shows, and I think the pilot
Speaker 3: to Friday Night Lights honestly top five pilots of television.
Speaker 3: Gray's Anatomy, Friday Night lights, those fucking pilots. I'm in
Speaker 3: preschool with Scott Porter. I see him every day.
Speaker 5: Oh my god. He has such a strong.
Speaker 4: Every day the strongest.
Speaker 5: We can't do that anyway, test ever.
Speaker 4: So tell me about the direction Friday lights.
Speaker 5: Real quick, Okay, real quick. We use three cameras all
Speaker 5: the time. It was sixteen millimeter film. It was so beautiful.
Speaker 5: The DP his name is David Boyd. He's a genius.
Speaker 5: He would put park Hams outside of a real location.
Speaker 5: And we did not use sets. There were no sets.
Speaker 4: We read, no blocking.
Speaker 5: No. Well, here's what we would do. I would walk
Speaker 5: into uh, you know, Tammy Taylor's house and I'd say, okay, guys,
Speaker 5: what do you need? And he would say I want
Speaker 5: to be making bacon and I need this, And Julie
Speaker 5: would come in and go, I need my backpack and
Speaker 5: my books. All right, you're going to come in from there. Yes,
Speaker 5: you're going to come in from there. Yes, you're gonna
Speaker 5: come from there. Yes, there is a point where I'm
Speaker 5: going to take you guys outside. Okay, great, you're gonna
Speaker 5: grab those things and we're going to go outside to
Speaker 5: the car. Very good, and then you're going to get
Speaker 5: in the car, and that's what we're going to end it.
Speaker 5: So that we would do what I would call like
Speaker 5: a just a little skeleton blocking, and then the actors
Speaker 5: would just go and then we put three cameras and
Speaker 5: then I screamed things like crunch, you know, crash in,
Speaker 5: get go to the mediums, go to the mediums. That
Speaker 5: we go crash in and get to the to the
Speaker 5: tight shocks. Then we flip the line. We do the
Speaker 5: same thing, and we would be out in forty five minutes.
Speaker 5: No way, And let me tell you something minute.
Speaker 4: Gee, have you ever watched Friday Night Lights?
Speaker 1: No, I've only seen the movie, and just start watching
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 5: I did seven episodes.
Speaker 1: God jamn, I'm gonna start watching it.
Speaker 4: Wow, Allison, Wait, how many did you do?
Speaker 6: Allison?
Speaker 1: Ten? Seven, seven, And the number seven keeps coming up
Speaker 1: and then seven fifty two, seven fifty two and five
Speaker 1: plus two is seven? What the fuck? You guys?
Speaker 4: Get them a lottery tickets, a baby.
Speaker 1: Seven seven.
Speaker 4: We will be.
Speaker 3: Back with more after the break.
Speaker 4: Everybody, We're gonna this real quick. At Scandal Pace.
Speaker 3: We're talking about episode two nineteen titled seven fifty two,
Speaker 3: which aired on April twenty fifth in twenty.
Speaker 1: Thirteen, and it was written by Mark Fish and directed
Speaker 1: by The Alison Lady Brown y'all.
Speaker 3: It was guest starring Scott Foley as Jake Ballard, George
Speaker 3: Newburn as Charlie, Jesse, Cott Nicole as Kim, Joe Morton
Speaker 3: as Mysterious.
Speaker 1: Man, Stony Westmoreland as Hal Rimbau, David Mounier as Crosby,
Speaker 1: and Jordan Carretas as Hobby.
Speaker 3: And the synopsis if you don't know, do yourself a
Speaker 3: favor and watch this episode multiple times because it it
Speaker 3: will stand the test of time in my opinion. Okay
Speaker 3: Hawks break down after being held in a trunk Sparks.
Speaker 3: The OPA's team attempts at pulling him back from the
Speaker 3: brink by sharing their very personal experiences working for Olivia.
Speaker 3: As we dive into hucks past, we learn all of
Speaker 3: the terrible things he's done for b six thirteen, from
Speaker 3: the start of his recruitment, all the way until he
Speaker 3: was held in the hole, until he renounced his family.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, in the present Fifthen Olivia finally air their grievances
Speaker 1: about defiance before giving into love, albeit for a brief moment,
Speaker 1: Jake Ballad wants off of the case with Olivia, but
Speaker 1: the mystery Man has other plans.
Speaker 3: And finally, as Olivia returns from the hospital, she's able
Speaker 3: to snap Huck out of his trance as we learn
Speaker 3: what seven point fifty two actually means. Oh yay, you
Speaker 3: notes maybe just less sincere.
Speaker 5: You're just a little too sincere.
Speaker 1: Take that out, fake it up, take it out a
Speaker 1: little bit, fake it up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alison, when you were watching back this episode, do
Speaker 3: you have any favorite memories of shooting any certain scenes
Speaker 3: that you were like, oh my god, that that was
Speaker 3: a huge scene for me, or scenes that were really hard,
Speaker 3: or scenes that something like that.
Speaker 5: Well, I think everything on the platform was amazing to me,
Speaker 5: everything on the subway platform. So the teaser just incredible,
Speaker 5: all of it. And I remember being like, I think
Speaker 5: it was lated night. It was definitely late at night,
Speaker 5: and I was wondering, did we do it two nights
Speaker 5: or one night?
Speaker 1: I feel like because I didn't, I feel like we
Speaker 1: did two nights, but I don't quite remember.
Speaker 5: Nights too, like at six hour chunks or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I remember that being incredible to me. Between Germo
Speaker 5: and I and just our discussions and working toward his pain,
Speaker 5: which was so beautifully evident and so well crafted. I mean,
Speaker 5: come on, I just did so great and just all
Speaker 5: of that between Jouseka and then the little Boy Hobby
Speaker 5: and all of that, that night was very special to me.
Speaker 1: I remember at one point, I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 1: but you sat with me on the couch outside of
Speaker 1: Huck's room. And it might have been when we were
Speaker 1: doing the ending scenes where uh where Carrie ends up
Speaker 1: coming in and out of you know, his trance that
Speaker 1: he's in. But you sat with me and held my
Speaker 1: hand and rubbed my hand for like twenty minutes and
Speaker 1: just talking to me and taking care of and I
Speaker 1: was like, it was so special and I'll never ever
Speaker 1: forget that. I don't know if you do you remember.
Speaker 5: That, It's be yeah.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I could have done what
Speaker 1: I did in this episode without you.
Speaker 5: It's the truth, Well I believe you could. But anyway,
Speaker 5: I'm glad I was there to be a conduit, because
Speaker 5: that's all I am. I'm there to just to guide
Speaker 5: and to try to get to the truth.
Speaker 3: By the way, the other craziness that was asked, I
Speaker 3: think of directors on Scandal, was that you weren't given
Speaker 3: a script until Yes, Like on other shows, you might
Speaker 3: be giving a script far in advance that you could
Speaker 3: really prep your shot list or make decisions on what
Speaker 3: a still shot would be, or who's having the focus
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 4: Did you have any of that for seven fifty two?
Speaker 5: Well, here's what's great. Because of Friday night Lights. That
Speaker 5: trained me to be unafraid of anything that wasn't planned.
Speaker 5: It trained me to be fearless and to rely on actors.
Speaker 1: Met on set. Right, that's it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Also, and I think I can say this, and if
Speaker 5: I can't, you guys you get it out. But they
Speaker 5: hadn't shot Olivia's office yet.
Speaker 1: Oh shit.
Speaker 5: So I'm in there and I'm like looking at you.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at your I'm looking at what's going to
Speaker 5: be your office, I'm looking at what your So I'm
Speaker 5: just like making notes and what looks cool and what
Speaker 5: I could use. And I hear something in Olivia's office.
Speaker 5: I'm in the back and I look like this. It's
Speaker 5: Shonda Rhymes. She's all alone and she's moving in Olivia's office,
Speaker 5: like scanning the room out of here and I'm in
Speaker 5: the back over there, and I'm like, I should I
Speaker 5: say hi? But she was in the think of that.
Speaker 5: You could see your mind working, sitting at the desk,
Speaker 5: and she looked behind her and they had put some
Speaker 5: pictures I think, like frames of like Olivia's personal life.
Speaker 5: She went and I could see on her face.
Speaker 4: I didn't like that.
Speaker 5: She didn't want that, but I don't. I don't remember
Speaker 5: if she took them down, or if she made a
Speaker 5: note or somebody came in. I really don't know how
Speaker 5: it happened, but I do know that all those things
Speaker 5: got Did you ever say?
Speaker 1: Did you say or did you just stay quiet?
Speaker 5: I think I think it was quiet, and then something
Speaker 5: did shift or something I was like hey, Like in
Speaker 5: the back, lind I never say hello, how are you today?
Speaker 5: So far away? But that I'll never forget that.
Speaker 4: Wow, that was I can't believe that memory.
Speaker 3: Like being the first person to direct in Olivia Pope's
Speaker 3: arm this and like Shonda was probably sitting in there
Speaker 3: thinking about like how does she talk in here? What
Speaker 3: are the scenes that happen? What does she want in here?
Speaker 3: Like way she how does your brain work in here?
Speaker 3: Like oh my god, and it was just.
Speaker 5: That's why I didn't want to interrupt it with a
Speaker 5: dumb hello. I just want I could see. It's sort
Speaker 5: of like when I get to a set early, and
Speaker 5: I really like doing that because I'm alone and I
Speaker 5: can move around. Does this feel right? Does this feel right?
Speaker 5: Because I'm going to make suggestions to you guys, but
Speaker 5: you can say, oh, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 5: if that's right. Let me try what you said, Alison.
Speaker 5: You know that's how I like to do it. I
Speaker 5: give you a sort of an idea, but then if
Speaker 5: it doesn't feel right, it's like a bad pair of shoes.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to ask it a wear. We're going
Speaker 5: to do it feels Hey, You're going to do it
Speaker 5: feels true, right, That's what we're all going for, what
Speaker 5: feels true. So I like it in there early. But
Speaker 5: the problem is people think they're there for you to
Speaker 5: ask answer questions. I'm sitting down and people.
Speaker 1: Are like, hey, Allison, non stop.
Speaker 5: People don't give me the thing that Shonda got from me,
Speaker 5: which I understand in the person let her be in
Speaker 5: the freaking zone. And I've had to now that i'm older,
Speaker 5: I've had to say excuse me nice when you see
Speaker 5: me here early, I'm working right now, so I know
Speaker 5: you want me to answer which pillow And I'm not
Speaker 5: going to do that right now. So you go over
Speaker 5: there away from me and let me sit at his desk.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, like you have to teach you.
Speaker 1: I've directed seven fifty two. Leave me alone. Leave me alone.
Speaker 5: I know what I'm doing. I'm an out gay director
Speaker 5: and so it's scared.
Speaker 1: And so it's just I was going to talk about this, yes, huge.
Speaker 4: I forgot about Jessica too.
Speaker 1: I have chill.
Speaker 6: I'm chilly.
Speaker 5: And when you and I we were there and we
Speaker 5: were working and there's this stuff. We're in Hollywood and
Speaker 5: there's tons of people around and I'm telling them all
Speaker 5: what to do, and he's over there doing all the feeling,
Speaker 5: and she's over there and we're all great. And I thought,
Speaker 5: that's shondaland right there, all these little misfits coming together,
Speaker 5: creating art in a subway hole in the middle of
Speaker 5: you know, fricking wherever North hollywo or wherever we were. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I hugged them both. We remember, I was hugging you,
Speaker 5: and then I hugged her and we were just I
Speaker 5: don't know if we took pictures. I wish we we did.
Speaker 1: Have a bunch of house and I'll send them to you.
Speaker 1: I have a ton of pictures of us in the subway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh god, I just I remember that was being
Speaker 5: very powerful.
Speaker 1: There was there was an unspoken like bomb there between
Speaker 1: especially with you and I, and then of course whenever
Speaker 1: we were we worked with Jessica. But just knowing that
Speaker 1: we were, you know, these queer artists doing this amazing work,
Speaker 1: it just felt so special and so so rare, right,
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh man.
Speaker 5: This is what a dream. Yes, imagine whispering to little
Speaker 5: ten year old Germa.
Speaker 1: Listening to be fine, to.
Speaker 3: Be an artist, got TV and like and they're going
Speaker 3: to give you all. And it's not like some indie
Speaker 3: indie thing, you know what I mean. It's like, this
Speaker 3: is like, like you said, there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: listening to you and supporting you and spending a shitload
Speaker 3: of money on this. Like I think our budget was
Speaker 3: like two million an episode or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was crazy, like.
Speaker 3: Everybody was watching it. I mean, by the time seven
Speaker 3: fifty two air, this is episode two nineteen, so all
Speaker 3: first season Scandal was not on people's radar, but by
Speaker 3: episode two nineteen, this show was on people's radar. So
Speaker 3: the stuff you three made and created in this episode
Speaker 3: was huge and made it into the everybody's living room.
Speaker 5: Isn't that something we made? Everybody's amazing.
Speaker 4: That's amazing and should be and it's just like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought that up. Wow, Giermo, what
Speaker 3: stood out do you when you watched the episode back?
Speaker 3: Same question, like, do you have specific memories that you
Speaker 3: can't let go like that or just oh my god,
Speaker 3: right there, Well.
Speaker 1: Let's just get it out now. Like one of the
Speaker 1: most traumatizing things about shooting this episode is having to
Speaker 1: shave my beard, to shave my scruff. I had to
Speaker 1: be clean shaven for the majority of this episode, and
Speaker 1: that is always work you no, because you know that
Speaker 1: covers you know, your double chin or whatever flaws as
Speaker 1: a guy that you have.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, forget it.
Speaker 3: If I could have a full fucking beard, I would
Speaker 3: if I could hear the bearded lady to take away
Speaker 3: this full moon of a face, So do it in
Speaker 3: one second.
Speaker 4: You're like one particular But you know what I love
Speaker 4: so much about it?
Speaker 3: Though, is you're acting in this episode when you are
Speaker 3: shaved and you are so happy, like we never we've
Speaker 3: never seen Huck like that before, and it's so rare
Speaker 3: in the whole seven years that we see you like
Speaker 3: like bounding down the stairs and like making out with
Speaker 3: Jessika and like meeting your son and like you're just
Speaker 3: so happy and full, and like did you work on that?
Speaker 3: Did you know you wanted to be so juxtaposit Like
Speaker 3: how did you know?
Speaker 1: We had no time? Aliston? You know, we had no
Speaker 1: I had no time to even think about it, which
Speaker 1: I cherished, probably why it was so great exactly. I
Speaker 1: love that because then I get it. You sometimes is
Speaker 1: a crazy artist that we are, you getting your head
Speaker 1: and you overthink shit and you're like and then it
Speaker 1: just yeah, but we had no time. I remember feeling
Speaker 1: super anxious when I read the episode at the table
Speaker 1: read and being like, oh my god, we have a
Speaker 1: lot of work to do. But then we were thrust
Speaker 1: into it and we just started to work and it
Speaker 1: just felt right and all of that sort of fell away.
Speaker 1: And having you there, you know, guiding me and being
Speaker 1: so protective and loving and good and you knew what
Speaker 1: I love about like directors that I love is directors
Speaker 1: that know exactly what they want. And you always knew
Speaker 1: exactly what you wanted. Of course you were open to,
Speaker 1: you know, suggestions or if somebody didn't feel that was
Speaker 1: right or whatever, but it just I felt again we
Speaker 1: keep saying it, but I just felt super super safe
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 5: And it was.
Speaker 3: Godes doing all that, which Alison brought out. But it's like,
Speaker 3: you can't believe how many fucking people you tortured and
Speaker 3: murdered and.
Speaker 5: Like so many and then wrap their live faces. You
Speaker 5: know they weren't really dead.
Speaker 1: Emplastic, yes, yes, yeah, folding.
Speaker 5: Them up and then like hurry up and cut like.
Speaker 1: Breathing. H But how hilarious that all these actors that
Speaker 1: they cast that you. I'm sure you chose them right,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they came to you with pictures and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're like, take off all your clothes,
Speaker 1: get into these skin colored like bi yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: cut your toe off. Yeah, but they were all game,
Speaker 1: they were leg down.
Speaker 5: But you brought up something so great, the juxtaposition. And
Speaker 5: again I go back to the writing. You know that
Speaker 5: that marked it so well with you know, and and
Speaker 5: and the acting, the screaming when you were in such
Speaker 5: a good mood because you knew that your your wife
Speaker 5: had was pregnant, pregnant, and you said, I'm in a
Speaker 5: good mood today, and just the way like yes, magic
Speaker 5: to see the disassociation, the compartmentalization, like the heck Jekyl
Speaker 5: and hide quality. This is stuff we don't talk about.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you we really didn't have to because he
Speaker 5: had this great way of having a good mood. This
Speaker 5: is great. And then it went from the guy going yeah,
Speaker 5: did you see that transition?
Speaker 1: That was such a beautiful transition was.
Speaker 3: Amazing, And then she says, she's like, you know, there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of blood and all this they're gay,
Speaker 3: like good, I got this, daddy.
Speaker 5: There's gonna be a lot of blood.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the baby? The baby? Didn't they smother
Speaker 1: it in like jelly, like grape jelly and like cream
Speaker 1: cheese or whatever the.
Speaker 5: Fuck it was. We used cream cheese and strawberry jam.
Speaker 5: My god, but it was when we could use real babies.
Speaker 5: During COVID, none of us could use real babies. So
Speaker 5: you'll see all these all these TV shows.
Speaker 4: With plastic as dollies. That is so funny. That's really
Speaker 4: really funny.
Speaker 5: I thought, oh my god, it's a real baby. It's
Speaker 5: a really good baby. And we shot the fingers and
Speaker 5: as shown so beautiful.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 3: I want to add one quick thing about my memory
Speaker 3: of this episode, even though it is not about Quinn.
Speaker 3: And that's okay, I like to say, and I bow
Speaker 3: down to both of you and all the work you
Speaker 3: did in my personal favorite Scandal episode of all time.
Speaker 3: But I remember doing the table read in this courtroom
Speaker 3: set you mean on location, Yes, in a courtroom that's
Speaker 3: where this episode was red was first read, Yes, and
Speaker 3: it was very spiritual and sacred, and it almost felt
Speaker 3: like we were I know it was a courtroom, but
Speaker 3: it would almost felt like church or something. It was crazy, right, Yes,
Speaker 3: And then I read the Quinn monologue and then Mary
Speaker 3: Howard comes running up to me and says, you're gonna
Speaker 3: be first up at six am.
Speaker 4: You think you can do it?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Fuck? Of course, of course fuck.
Speaker 3: And of course I'm like, okay, okay, I got this,
Speaker 3: I got this, and that's it. Like I think we
Speaker 3: get out of there at like three four pm. From
Speaker 3: the table read by the time I get home and
Speaker 3: have some dinner. Maybe I start working on this shit
Speaker 3: around seven pm. And I'm in the makeup chair at
Speaker 3: like five or something, and I've got it. But here's
Speaker 3: the worst part. Shonda Rhymes her dang self shows up
Speaker 3: because she wants to watch the monologues and do never
Speaker 3: on three of them, never onset because she's too busy
Speaker 3: writing and she can't be on set.
Speaker 1: Yes, she can't every monologue.
Speaker 3: My monologue was first, then went Darby, then went Harrison
Speaker 3: and you better be word perfect.
Speaker 4: And she's there watching and I am diarrhea nervous.
Speaker 8: I mean I am talking like, yeah, I am unwell,
Speaker 8: like they to jump here a whole other level of
Speaker 8: like was already stressed because I was given no time.
Speaker 3: I was already stressed because you know, I was so
Speaker 3: excited to get a monologue that I loved and like
Speaker 3: you said, the writing was so brilliant and this was
Speaker 3: such a special episode and so I.
Speaker 1: Felt, right, you want to do it justice, like yeah.
Speaker 4: And then I was going to go first, and I
Speaker 4: was like, why is this going first?
Speaker 3: But okay, I'm the baby of the show, and a
Speaker 3: lot of times that's what happens, and that's fine, right,
Speaker 3: and I better show the fuck up. But then for
Speaker 3: the Queen herself to be there watching when.
Speaker 5: She never was.
Speaker 4: I was terrified.
Speaker 5: Um believable.
Speaker 4: But you just said that.
Speaker 5: But now I have something to say about this, she said, God,
Speaker 5: should I read it? I don't know. I do it?
Speaker 6: Do it?
Speaker 5: Okay? Wait, hold on everyone, hold on. Okay, okay, this
Speaker 5: is what he says. So I call him and I say, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm doing this thing. Do you have any good memories
Speaker 5: like what happened in that editing room? Did we talk
Speaker 5: about this? We talk about that? Do we switch anything around?
Speaker 5: Did we move anything? I said, it's been thirteen or
Speaker 5: ten years and had the choice of music. I asked
Speaker 5: them about all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're the best.
Speaker 5: So here's what he says. Hello, I remember one thing,
Speaker 5: which was the montage of Huck killing set to a
Speaker 5: song I can see clearly now. Originally it was supposed
Speaker 5: to be my showy a Moore, but Stevie Wonder and
Speaker 5: is a state wouldn't let us do it because of
Speaker 5: all the blood and violence, oh Shada, and I probably
Speaker 5: tried fifty songs and then we landed on I can
Speaker 5: see clearly now. I thought it was a brilliant turn. Also,
Speaker 5: and I can show you this for real. I'm not lying. Also,
Speaker 5: Katie Lowe's monologue was played in a wunner, I believe.
Speaker 5: I remember you shot tons of setups, but as soon
Speaker 5: as I saw that take, I thought, quote, I cannot
Speaker 5: cut this up because it's perfect.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gonna cry.
Speaker 5: I also remember that you shot out of it. I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna go on. And it was a joy to
Speaker 5: edit for you, as.
Speaker 4: It always is. That I miss you, Okay, I love
Speaker 4: that so much. So thank you reaching out to him.
Speaker 4: Thank you for reading that.
Speaker 3: And I am so proud of that monologue and my
Speaker 3: diary because I do I do remember it being a
Speaker 3: wonner and I couldn't mess up the word, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like I was like, I can do this, but.
Speaker 3: I will never forget it. I will just it's like
Speaker 3: of the seven years of scandal.
Speaker 1: You know, you have like your special.
Speaker 3: Memories that are like imprinted in like the deepest parts
Speaker 3: of your brain, and that scene and that whole story
Speaker 3: leading up to it, it is like one of them
Speaker 3: for me. So thank you for helping me through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think one of the reasons that they
Speaker 1: chose you to to go first is because y'all, Katie
Speaker 1: will no memorize her lines and memorize mine, know when
Speaker 1: Olivia should come in with a certain line, like you
Speaker 1: are the most I don't know how your brain works.
Speaker 4: Josh Blena has it better than me, Joshina.
Speaker 1: Katie would recite soliloquies from Shakespeare while we were like,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting to shoot, and I'd be like, I don't
Speaker 1: remember what I have to say when we're about to
Speaker 1: shoot right now? How the fuss do you remember Ophelia's monologue?
Speaker 3: But that's why you're a better actor than me, because
Speaker 3: you are so present and I am so stuck in
Speaker 3: being right and correct.
Speaker 4: You're so good at being right here right now.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, now, I've already figured out all my turns,
Speaker 3: like what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I'm also constantly diarrhea nervous. That's mostly why I'm holding the.
Speaker 4: Sides is I was very nervous.
Speaker 3: Can we all give it up to for the monologues?
Speaker 3: I mean Garry's analogue to Hawk at the end.
Speaker 5: I mean I was hoping, Germo, you would remember something
Speaker 5: about this, like the way everybody sat like it was
Speaker 5: all very deliberate. When Katie came to sit, she sat
Speaker 5: next to you like equals. They were like that, You
Speaker 5: were like this. When Darby came in, her character is
Speaker 5: very flinty, and you know, I don't feel anything anymore.
Speaker 4: She sat up on that table.
Speaker 5: She was a little above you. When Columbus came in,
Speaker 5: he also was above you. He was somewhere up high
Speaker 5: and he was basically was sitting, but he was above
Speaker 5: you that. When Carrie came in, she sat across from you,
Speaker 5: I to eye and it was so cool. How that,
Speaker 5: how just the positioning of the actors makes such a difference.
Speaker 5: Because I'm sitting there as a director, like, I'm going
Speaker 5: a bunch of monologues, How am I going to make
Speaker 5: these different? They mean by where they sit and all
Speaker 5: of that. Yeah, but I wanted to ask you if
Speaker 5: you remember, I think it was in the script there
Speaker 5: was something about Carrie helping you up, touching you, and
Speaker 5: then helping you up, and it was her touch that
Speaker 5: had you stop.
Speaker 1: Yes, the hat has me stopped saying seven to fifty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's the only one that touches me out of
Speaker 1: all the all the Gladiators. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she touched.
Speaker 5: You, and that's why you stop.
Speaker 4: Broke in the bicycle.
Speaker 5: Contact and you can't lie about that stuff you can
Speaker 5: feel and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, it's honestly, it's it's rare. Like me and
Speaker 1: Katie talk about the tearstick all the time. You know
Speaker 1: what a tearstick is, Alison. Obviously, when an actor can't
Speaker 1: emotionally get there, you get a tearstick and you, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of conjures up tears because it's mental being blown
Speaker 1: into your eyes. But this is one of the few
Speaker 1: times that I was emotionally raw every single take, every
Speaker 1: take on when you were covering Carrie ever she did,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like maybe eight or more takes sobb
Speaker 1: it like I couldn't, I couldn't stop crying. And then
Speaker 1: of course when it turned on me, it was it
Speaker 1: was I don't know, it was it was. I've never
Speaker 1: experienced anything like that before where I was just so
Speaker 1: raw in it.
Speaker 4: My god, when you say I think I used to
Speaker 4: have a family.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't remember. I could
Speaker 1: cry right now about.
Speaker 5: It, I know. So do you think it Do you
Speaker 5: think it was? Because it was so it just felt
Speaker 5: so real. His background just it felt so real. And
Speaker 5: do you think it touched something in you that that
Speaker 5: maybe yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I connected to Hucks.
Speaker 3: It's the saddest thing ever, those shots when you realize
Speaker 3: that seven fifty two is the fucking time and the
Speaker 3: fucking train where he sees her and him, and then
Speaker 3: I'm so angry that this is so emotional, but it's
Speaker 3: like and then the sun comes up to him and
Speaker 3: finally puts money in his cup, like and that is.
Speaker 4: It's just like all so much and perfect and also
Speaker 4: we're seeing the making. It's so cool. I love when
Speaker 4: shows do this, but god, this one did it so well.
Speaker 4: But I love that it took.
Speaker 3: Nineteen plus seven episodes to figure for us to realize
Speaker 3: and learn what Mads.
Speaker 4: Hawk the huck we know, oh right, yeah, what happened
Speaker 4: to him.
Speaker 3: It's like, we've spent so many hours with this character
Speaker 3: who's so fucked up, and we love that he's so
Speaker 3: fucked up, and he's so dark and he murders people
Speaker 3: and he has no issues with it, and he has
Speaker 3: a whiskey addiction, which is really just metaphor for hurting people.
Speaker 3: And why is he like this, and why is he's
Speaker 3: why is he like this? What could have possibly happened
Speaker 3: to this person to make him who he is? And
Speaker 3: seven fifty two is when we learn what was taken
Speaker 3: from him and how and how brutal that was, and
Speaker 3: just it's it's it's it and it answers every it makes.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh my god, that's why he is who
Speaker 4: he is.
Speaker 5: It's just yeah, so good, it's so true, so good,
Speaker 5: it's so How about the and also the locations?
Speaker 1: Yeahba, my wife.
Speaker 5: I was like, we see that that empty refrigerator, that huge,
Speaker 5: empty fucking refrigerator. That this woman who did the locations
Speaker 5: And why can't I think of her? She's Mary Howard's buddy.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't.
Speaker 5: Woman.
Speaker 4: Wait which refrigerator? Wait, what are you talking about?
Speaker 5: It's an well you probably didn't know it was a refrigerator,
Speaker 5: but it's huge. It was a commercial refrigerator. Happens to
Speaker 5: be in my neighborhood weirdly in South pass Over here.
Speaker 5: I always see it. I always see the bill, like
Speaker 5: that's what we did. We did all that stuff on
Speaker 5: the east side because Mary Howard's brilliant about finding stuff
Speaker 5: and it was a really big commercial freezer or refrigerator,
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what. It was. All metal, metal top,
Speaker 5: metal size, metal bottom. And that's where we killed the guy.
Speaker 5: I don't know. He's probably the second or third guy
Speaker 5: we killed. And at the last the last shot is
Speaker 5: Garmo tiny tiny in the frame and this room where
Speaker 5: you could stream all day.
Speaker 1: You do you remember that the other set, Allison, where
Speaker 1: it's the hallway where Huck is walking with Charlie and
Speaker 1: he's like, so, how do you feel it feels good? Right,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, it feels really good. Oh, that's such
Speaker 1: a beautiful shot. That long, long, sort of amber lit hallway.
Speaker 1: Oh so good, very.
Speaker 5: Famous hallway which I have seen really huge movies now
Speaker 5: at least three times I.
Speaker 3: Would go to.
Speaker 7: That.
Speaker 5: I'm starting to be like that person shout that all
Speaker 5: the way, you know, so you're right, it was. It's spectacular.
Speaker 5: That whole complex, which is this weird it's in Arcadia, right,
Speaker 5: who's in Arcadia or something on the east side, and
Speaker 5: that ugly nondescript room which you're so smart. I love
Speaker 5: you in that scene when Charlie's there, did I guess
Speaker 5: we had to feel like if Huck did not do
Speaker 5: this it wasn't about going back on tour. He looked
Speaker 5: over and he saw Charlie with his hands get killed,
Speaker 5: so you might as well do whatever and see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's about having always popula right.
Speaker 3: Also, this is the episode where we learn right, like
Speaker 3: how Huck got to o p A yes, right, right,
Speaker 3: Like we learned in this episode that Charlie lets him
Speaker 3: go and says, right, isn't that what happens in here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, let go and.
Speaker 3: Reports back to the mysterious man that is that he
Speaker 3: killed dulls Oh yeah, right.
Speaker 1: And so basically Charlie like saves Huck in a way
Speaker 1: like he saves his life totally. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he has nowhere to go except be homeless,
Speaker 3: which is the reason that you know Olivia picks him up.
Speaker 4: But oh god, this episode. Wait, Elson Lee Brown.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you have to go and you have like
Speaker 3: a life to lead, but wait, I just want to
Speaker 3: read you a couple of things, and we have to
Speaker 3: do a couple tweets of the time, and I just
Speaker 3: want to hear about what you're doing now, and then
Speaker 3: can we just hang out forever and ever and ever?
Speaker 3: Fun facts Olivia's speech to Huck mirrors one that fits
Speaker 3: gave to her a call back to the significance they
Speaker 3: hold in each other's life. Yes, another fun fact, Joshua
Speaker 3: Fucking Molina has a credit in this episode despite not
Speaker 3: appearing in it at all, which you know, classic Josh.
Speaker 4: Malina was so psyched to get paid and not work.
Speaker 5: Josh loved.
Speaker 3: I used to get calls like, oh, you're not going
Speaker 3: to be in this episode because it's a flashback before
Speaker 3: like Quinn was even around, and I'd be so bummed
Speaker 3: because I just love to work so much, whereas Josh
Speaker 3: is the polar opposite because.
Speaker 4: I'm not this episode. He'd be like, yeah, like he's getting.
Speaker 1: Kay, don't gotta work. And now we do tweets at
Speaker 1: a time Yo.
Speaker 3: Tweet, tweet, twee tweet two tweetweet tweets at the time
Speaker 3: At Caspine fifteen. This aired on April twenty six, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4: That's ten years ago. Tweeted.
Speaker 3: I know I'm late, but hashtag scandal was so good.
Speaker 3: I like that, Olivia hashtag kW that's good.
Speaker 4: I loved it. You stood your ground okay yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Worldwide Boss Underscore four tweeted, so why were people saying
Speaker 1: seven fifty two was how many people are killed last
Speaker 1: night liars hashtag scandal.
Speaker 4: Oh that would have been good though.
Speaker 5: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: I love in Abby's monologue that she says seven hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty two are probably the amount of things that
Speaker 1: you had to do for Olivia. I love that. I
Speaker 1: love that part of it. That's part of her monologue.
Speaker 3: Me too, Oh, she's great at Michelle Kudso tweeted got
Speaker 3: a feeling Huck was ordered to kill his wife and child,
Speaker 3: Luno hashtag scandal.
Speaker 4: That would have been terrible. Oh God, that's been horrible.
Speaker 5: Right he did he told you to do it, didn't
Speaker 5: Charlie say you got to get rid of him. You
Speaker 5: got to get rid of He's like you said, I know,
Speaker 5: I know he goes you do it or I'm going
Speaker 5: to do it. Oh, she says to you in the backyard,
Speaker 5: which I got like, and then you I know, I
Speaker 5: know what to do.
Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite scenes. He walks into
Speaker 1: his house and he sees Charlie holding Hobby holding that baby.
Speaker 4: The baby, It's that's one of my hobby favorite scenes.
Speaker 1: Favorite scenes. Okay you Ni Chris at Underscore Criss Cross tweeted,
Speaker 1: oh lord, how many of y'all going to tweet seven
Speaker 1: fifty two at seven fifty two hashtag scandal. I love that.
Speaker 5: That's a great one.
Speaker 3: Brian Waller Scott at BK Prodigy tweeted, damn, I'm officially
Speaker 3: hooked from this last episode.
Speaker 4: That was really sad hashtag scandal true.
Speaker 1: True at Jenna and Ge tweeted one thing about last
Speaker 1: night's hashtag scandal is how the hell was fits able
Speaker 1: to stay with live for so long? Doesn't he have
Speaker 1: a country to run?
Speaker 7: Yo?
Speaker 4: Yo, she ain't wrong, that's so true.
Speaker 3: At Pope Grant, Oh, Pope Grant tweeted, bro Olivia, Pope's
Speaker 3: face here, So y'all let me go priceless flawless acting
Speaker 3: At Columbus short one hashtag scandal hashtag seven fifty two,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Columbus shorts has at Lauren x Nicole
Speaker 3: tweeted seriously hashtag scandal. Olivia is way too strong of
Speaker 3: a woman to put up with Fitz's shit.
Speaker 1: Not wrong, well, but yeah. Cynthia Spain tweeted, I know
Speaker 1: I'm late, but scandal was so good.
Speaker 5: I liked that.
Speaker 1: Olivia Kerrie Washington, I loved it. You stood your ground.
Speaker 1: Cool nice hell yeah right, Oh my.
Speaker 3: Gosh tweets at the time. Next episode up is called
Speaker 3: a Woman's School. That's episode two twenty. I can't remember
Speaker 3: what it's about. I don't garma, I have no idea
Speaker 3: what it's about. Alison Liddy Brown. When we Germo and
Speaker 3: I went back to watch all the episodes and we
Speaker 3: wrote down like who would be our dream guests for
Speaker 3: each episode, you know, like depending on if Cyrus had
Speaker 3: a huge monologue's like we'd love to get him or whatever.
Speaker 3: And seven fifty two came and Gearmo and I were both.
Speaker 4: Like, al was of Liddy Brown?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we love you so much. You're so happy you.
Speaker 3: Did this, and this episode would not I mean, Scandal
Speaker 3: would not have been scandal without you and all the
Speaker 3: thank you but truly, you are one of the greatest
Speaker 3: episodic directors and directors period. Nothing comes before that word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would a treat you've given to the listeners
Speaker 1: with the stories and you know, so good, so.
Speaker 3: Good, here's so effective on how it's shot and stuff
Speaker 3: like you really don't talk about that much. Oh oh good,
Speaker 3: like how it's shot and things like that at all,
Speaker 3: Like because we just act as, although Gamo.
Speaker 1: Is YO, that shit is not easy.
Speaker 5: What did you direct?
Speaker 1: This indie film called Dear Luke Love Me. A friend
Speaker 1: of mine wrote this beautiful script and I directed it.
Speaker 1: Kia Kia, who was one of our ads on Scandal What.
Speaker 1: I hired her to be my first ad and she
Speaker 1: was amazing. But I listen, I realized how unprepared I
Speaker 1: was to direct. I mean, I did it, and I
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved working with the actors and working
Speaker 1: on the scenes and stuff. But all that technical stuff
Speaker 1: is still I still there's I have so much to learn,
Speaker 1: you know, but it was I want to do it
Speaker 1: again a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Alison Laddy Brown, you are one of a kind,
Speaker 3: gem of an artist, leader, human director.
Speaker 4: I can't wait for the day when I get to
Speaker 4: work with you again and you give me to.
Speaker 1: You guys like we'll always have seven fifty two.
Speaker 5: We can we just say that too, we always will.
Speaker 5: Touched me very deeply. Thank you, guys, thanks for having
Speaker 5: Thank you Allison Liddy Brown continued success.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you lah Lah bye guys, bye bye.
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