WEBVTT - 219: Seven Fifty-Two w/ Allison Liddi-Brown 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.360 This episode was recorded prior to the SAG after strike. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.720 Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:19.320 partnership with iHeartRadio. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.080 Is the stand watch. 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:30.760 Yazi Katie. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:42.839 This episode today is literally, ugh, most people's when I 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:47.360 look up Scandal, this one is. If it's not everyone's 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.560 number one favorite, it's a close second to the Trail. 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.959 It's one or the other. This is my personal favorite 0:00:54.960 --> 0:01:02.160 episode that Scandal ever made. Same it is is so special, 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:07.520 it is so beautiful. It should have been nominated and 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:12.440 won every single award that television can provide. Gama Diez's work, 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.160 and it is so stupid. It's so stupid what you 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:16.679 did in this fucking show, you dumb. 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:22.840 Listen everyone though, everyone, Oh, all the gladiators talking to 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.840 Huck while he's going through his you knowugh, his his 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.160 you know, reciting those numbers that are so significant, Like 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.240 you guys' work was so so beautiful it was. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.600 It's such an episode will stand the test of time, 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.680 because my god, it is like one of the best 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.800 episodes of television. And we had to bring on a 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.039 guest today that I have not seen in a very 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.840 long time. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.600 No I since she directed us the last episode she 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.200 directed us. I mean she did a few after this 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.600 episode and that's the last time I saw her. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.800 And we had to bring her on as a special 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.840 special guest because this episode she was one of the 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.160 I guess, integral parts to making the episode as special 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.400 as it could have been. This episode was such a 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:12.600 collaboration between Giermo and Hawk and the writer and this 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.000 fucking amazing. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:19.120 Director director who is fun as fuck. Also, like she's 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.960 such a down girl, like fuck h just happy, like 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.200 just brought joy to the set every single day, even 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.359 with this you know, the subject matter in this episode, 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.320 which is is super downer, but she was just a 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.320 light man and she she guided us through this heavy 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.040 shit man, especially me. I was like I was a 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.120 mess shooting this episode. I mean a literal a mess. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.880 I can't even imagine the depths of despair and the 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.640 places in your brain and heart that you had to 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.000 go to to shoot this episode. 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.040 Yeah, today's guest is the. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:03:00.359 One and only Lady Brown. She directed the episode IDLED 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.639 seven fifty two, which is episode two nineteen, and I 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.680 we are forever in her debt because again, like she 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.600 just led us and we had no time. We got 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.239 this script at like in the later part of the afternoon. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.720 I sort of vaguely remember, and we were literally on 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.080 set at six o'clock in the morning already making. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.000 Oh, starting to share this out. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.080 Yeah, so I don't know what her prep time was. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:26.800 I can't wait to ask her here, Mo, Like, you 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:28.680 didn't know leading into seven to fifty two that this 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.280 was coming down the pike for you, did you know? 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.840 Not at all? There was like rumblings, like writers would 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.680 be like, Oh, there's something really good coming up for you. 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.520 There's there's a really good script coming up. So that's 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.920 that was the extent of what I knew about this episode. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.480 And I do remember we had that table read, remember, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.040 and it was such an emotional table reader. Yes, it 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:49.960 wasn't a court room. 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.760 It was so sometimes listeners. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.040 Normally we would always do the Scandal table reads in 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:01.920 a big like conference room on the stages on Sunset Gower, 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.280 which is the lot we shot on for all seven seasons. 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.440 But once in a while we would be shooting an 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.440 episode that, like on table read day, we wouldn't be 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.920 at the stages, and this was one of those where 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.360 we were actually shooting in a courtroom for whatever happened 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:16.680 in episode two eighteen. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:17.440 That I can't remember anymore. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:18.119 I can't remember. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.040 And so they set up the table read where we 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:25.960 were in this sort of like ominous, huge courtroom that 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.159 you could was it also on a sound stage somewhere. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.480 I believe, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.800 was too Yeah. And they set up a big table. Yeah. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:42.159 That room was just like completely it was almost like 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:43.279 sacred or something. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.560 Yeah, it felt like we all went to church or 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:45.960 some shit. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:47.400 Yes, yes, like. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.520 It felt spiritual. The room felt changed. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.279 We all felt changed at the table read of this episode. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.760 I think we all knew. You could feel how special 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.760 the episode was and how different from all the others 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:00.000 it was palpable. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:00.360 Yeah. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.520 I remember having a hard time having a hard time 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.200 getting through reading the lines because I was getting emotional 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.120 as I was reading it, and I had never read 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:14.040 it before, you know what I mean? Who And then 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.880 as an actor, you're like, I gotta fucking learn, like 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.080 monologue after monologue and. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:21.559 Like really go there there. 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:22.080 Yeah. 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:23.640 Oh, by the way, I was thinking, we should not 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.680 have Alison Liddy Brown unless you want to read the 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.120 synopsis and scandal pace. Maybe she should give us a 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.200 directing note. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.000 Right Ooh, I like that Katie. 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.200 But I haven't seen her in one hundred years. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.920 Like, I don't know what the last episode she directed 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.359 of Scandal was, but she directed a bunch. She was 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.599 a real fan favorite amongst the crew, amongst the cast, 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.599 amongst the writers. She just got it. She's got a 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.080 fucking cool vibe. The crew loves her. She's great at 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.680 giving direction to actors, and she's just like a one 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.000 of a kind. I think she directs it at Gray's Anatomy. Still, 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.760 I have no idea. We'll have to ask her when 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.080 she comes on because it's been forever. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.720 I think he might have done Station nineteen. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.600 Also, oh, maybe she did Station nineteen. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:05.960 Oh. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.280 She's a gem, man, She's a gem. Like you said, 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.360 she's one of those directors that they just kept asking back. Yeah, 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:12.680 because everyone loved her so much. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.159 The question is, when you watch this episode back, are 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:16.479 you proud of your work? 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.679 Oh? My god, so so proud. And I texted Katie 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.440 last night or I video messaged her saying hey, and 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.040 I was sobbing. Mike was in the living room and 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.440 he he was like really and he left the room 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.880 like he was so mad because he was crying he 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.000 was like, really, I can't do this right now, like 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:34.360 it's eight in the morning. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.000 I was like, it was a hysterical cry. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.600 Yes, we both were, Yeah, yeah, it's we both were. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.719 It's the most painful fucking episode for those you listening, 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.880 Like when Huck goes into the hole and they are 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.640 forcing you over and over again do you have a 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.880 wife and family and you're like no, yes, yes, yes, 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:54.680 until they beat it out of him and he's been 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.480 in the hole for a million months, until he finally says, no. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:03.040 It is. It is the worst. It is fucking worst. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:09.640 And the Wig progression brilliant, brilliant. Really, the Wig and 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.800 Beard progression. 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.240 Is just go down into a real hole. What did 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.480 they make? What was that constructed out of? Did they 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:18.440 in the ground? What the fuck was that? 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.000 What is the lot in Burbank? Like here where Ellen shoots. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.600 There was like sound stages there and we shot there. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.480 Yeah, and it was like a there's a hole there, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:29.360 there's a hole. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.320 Yeah, there's a hole there, y'all. 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.559 I've I never did anything surrounding or in the hole, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:36.480 so I have no clue what we're talking about. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.160 Now. What I heard that ain't what I heard. 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:45.240 Katie I've never been around it. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.920 It was like to a two level thing, so they 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.360 could shoot from above obviously when you see me down 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.640 in the hole and then there were no walls around 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.720 the hole. I was just in this you know, in 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.720 in in this space that they created to look like 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.200 a you know, like a tight hole. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:01.360 Were you scared in there? 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.200 No? No, because there were no walls so I didn't 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.280 feel cluster. You don't hear anything? Yeah, no, no, no, no, Oh, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.680 that's good fun fact. There's there's some fun like blooper 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.080 stuff on on the DVDs of me and the hole 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:17.560 and uh. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.520 What are you doing out there? Just like dancing around? 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.920 Yeah? No, I think when they're asking me about my family, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.800 I start saying some stupid shit like maybe I don't know, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.880 like something like that. It's just goofy. I start to 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:30.240 get goofy, and they put it in this. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:36.400 Funny gebo, where's your wife and family? Do you have one? Maybe? 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.320 Maybe I don't know. Yeah, it was stupid. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.760 It's so stupid, this fucking episode. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:45.880 I can't be acting on everyone's Oh everyone gets their moment. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.760 Yo even fits in Olivia like there their ship in 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.120 this episode is. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.880 Freaking He's still in the hospital bed right, and like 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.000 she doesn't trust him, she doesn't know what's going on. 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.079 Yes, she's like, uh uh yeah, I. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:02.600 Don't believe you. 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.560 I don't believe ye. I mean unbelievable. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.079 We should look up wait, I'm gonna IMDb real quick 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:13.280 so that the listeners know the genius with which we 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.720 are about to be blessed is what Allison Lyddy Brown 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:18.960 else has done? 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.360 Or did you already look this up? 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.280 Oh, she's done a bunch of stuff. Yeah, lizanas yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:24.560 let me. 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.320 Se Oh my god. Also she's fucking gorgeous. What just 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.120 came up? Wait? Okay. 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.439 So she made her directorial debut on the first season 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.360 of the Nickelodeon series The Secret World of Alex Mack. 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.880 That's it, That's it, which I love. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.120 She then went on to direct episodes for a number 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.319 of notable television series, namely The Mystery Files of Shelby 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.760 Wu Xena Warrior, Princess Beverly. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.240 Hills nine o two one of them. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.920 Gotta ask her about that Star Trek Voyager Evan Stevens 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.640 CSI Crime Scene Investigation CSA, every CSI under the Sun, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.960 Chock Gray's anatomy. Oh, she directed A Bunch of Friday 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.040 Night Lights which is oh beautiful, directed shows. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.160 Ever gossip Girl. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.440 In twenty ten, she won the Director's Guild of America's 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.240 Award for Outstanding Directorial Achievement in Children's Programming for directing 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.480 the original movie Princess Protection Program starring Selena Gomez and 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.280 Demi Lovado with my neighbor and I want to ask 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:21.040 her about working with them anyway, she's here and we 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.599 don't want to waste her time. But drum roll, please 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:26.959 one the. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:28.840 Alice. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:38.440 Yes, you guys, Alison, what is happening right now? You 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.079 look exactly the same as you did ten years ago? Whatever, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:43.400 what is happening? 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.840 We're just looking at your wiki, wiki, wiki page, and. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.080 How look at this? Look at this? This is you, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.640 this is Look at how gorgeous. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:55.640 You have not age. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.400 I'm showing a picture of her her winning a very fancy, 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:00.320 sexy ward. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:01.599 Thank you. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.960 Oh wait, I feel like this is you directing? Oh no, 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.199 this is you directing Gray's Anatomy. Yeah, look at that 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:13.719 fucking coat. Alison Liddy Brown always has fashion, cool glasses, 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:15.240 a cool director style. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.880 There's always a. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:19.640 Look at me, look at that coat? 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.160 Yeah yeah, but you were always comfortable, like looking good 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:24.719 and fly, but comfortable. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.480 Got to be comfortable, right, Yeah, Well she's not an idiot. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.680 She's like like, I could get on the floor with you, guys. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:33.480 I had to make sure I could get on the ground. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:34.920 Yes, be with you. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:36.720 Yeah, I miss you. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:41.640 We miss Alison Liddy Brown. Thank you for being here. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.360 Well, thank you for asking me to be here. This 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.000 is my pleasure, you guys. I mean some shows I've 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:48.600 worked on, you know, I look back on them and 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:53.120 I think, oh, but this show nothing but good vibes. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:54.480 I mean from the beginning. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but how does it feel to direct? 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:03.600 You directed one of the most like loved episodes of Scandal. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:05.840 When we do a deep dive. 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.280 About that, it's her favorite episode. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.960 Seven fifty two, which is the episode we're talking about today. Yes, 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.760 when I go deep and I like look on the 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.680 internet of everyone's favorite Scandal episodes of all time, it's 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:24.280 either and it's split perfectly seven fifty two or the Trail. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.360 And I like. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.240 Seven fifty two is my personal favorite Scanned episode of 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:35.240 all time. It's gier MOA's favorite. It's Vince, our producer's favorite. 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.360 It's one of Shonda Rhime's favorite and you directed. 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:40.400 The shit out of it. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.200 Yeah, well that's very nice of you guys, But you 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.920 guys acted the shit out of it. And the writer 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.200 was amazing. I mean that he you know. I called the. 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:56.120 Uh fantastic editor Matt Ramsey because he edited it, and 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.960 I called him yesterday and I was like, dude, I 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.280 just rewatched this fucking great. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:02.880 Wow. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.440 From an editing standpoint, I thought about. 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:13.640 That, Oh I did. Yeah, the transitions, the transition transitions, Allison, 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.319 how how like involved were you with the editing? Are 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.520 you there with him or does he do a pass 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.959 and then you sort of give notes or how does 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:21.480 it work? 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.400 Sure? And a lot of people probably don't know this, 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:29.240 but you know, episodic directors, we are mostly journey people. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.839 We come in I do you know, nine different shows 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.160 a year. That's how I used to do it. And 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.480 some people think, oh, you're the only director. Are you 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.840 direct scandal? I'm like, no, no, no, I've directed a 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.720 few scandal. I don't want to think you know, they 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.320 put that on. Wait, that's not her name. So people 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.959 don't know that, and they should understand that the creative 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.720 process with the director is I have to it's like 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.960 I'm a little circus. I go from one to another 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:57.840 to another, and sometimes the vibe is so perfect. It 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.960 really is. And with with you, guys, it really was 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.280 just I mean from the beginning, like do your people 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.480 know that? Carrie Washington and I was lucky enough to 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.439 do episode three of season one. Hell have no Fury, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.800 I think is what it was called. She started every episode, 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:22.200 all of us together in that okay. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.760 This yet, I'm so glad you're bringing this. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.680 I know you're the first. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.560 How would she do it? Let's all do it right now, 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.160 if you're near a table, ready and go. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:38.960 Yes, That's how we would start. So the blood was flowing, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.720 the creativity was flowing, the trust was flowing. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.680 And that's why that show's amazing. It's because of that. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.200 I totally. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:53.000 You guys, for Kerry Washington started this tradition. I want 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.800 to say, I don't. I might have been episode three, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.800 it might have been the first episode you ever directed. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.640 But every single episode she would gather the hire crew 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:05.200 and cast on day one, scream the episode number and 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.920 tell everyone to bang on any fucking our surface that 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.040 you could find and yelp and scream and gather like 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.480 the work everybody were Yeah. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:18.720 Yes, everybody. Everybody gravitated toward it. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.120 And I think that's what made because as I'm watching 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.160 it and I said to Matt Ramsey, I'm like, dude, 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.000 this happened ten years ago. What do you remember. To 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.960 go back to your question, Girma, I get four days, 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.800 The editor gets four days. So the editor puts together 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.840 what we call either an assemble or a cut, depending 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.320 on how you see it. And then I put together 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.160 a DC, a director's cut, and I get four days 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.360 in which to do that, unless there's some kind of 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.600 problem with air dates, and then they can peel it back. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.400 But this is for the union. This is what the 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.520 union has given us. So I did get to sit 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.480 with Matt Ramsey, who is a blast in the editing room. Also, 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:02.360 he loves my shit, so that's why I also, I 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.840 can't believe you did this. I'm like, I know, right, 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.040 so it makes me happy this script. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.800 Do you have any idea I know that like, first 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.680 of all, being like the episodic director that you are, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.920 which honestly now I didn't know before Scandal because I 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:23.520 didn't work very much. How the ask that is being 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:27.200 made of you is practically impossible. Like I'm just like 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.440 being a director that thank you for saying it's impossible 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.720 to be a true episodic director and just in from 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:39.520 show to show and rally all these egos and personalities 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.240 and different job titles for better or for worse and 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:47.240 keep them on task and make an artistic, wonderful project 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.840 and make the hours and make the days and make 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:57.720 this the turnarounds is so insane and stressful. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.440 To have answers for every department's question. It's like that 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.600 was my biggest thing, Like I just directed something and 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.960 it just everyone comes to you right for with questions 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.920 and you have to you have to be confident in 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.679 it and have answers. And that's like, oh my god. 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:13.240 You're the guest. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.440 You have to have answers to all these departments who 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.440 they are there all the time. Yeah, all actually might 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.280 know better than you in some regard because you are 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.520 the guest. But you also have to walk this fine 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.320 line of like, but I'm the director and I make 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.719 the final say, but also I'm in collaboration with you 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.440 because this is your permanent home and not my permanent home. 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.040 It's weird, no joke, it's. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:40.760 No joke, and it is It's kind of one of 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.439 the weirdest jobs I've ever heard of. But I actually 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.600 picked this job because I could wear these. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:50.240 Yes makers she's seeing sneakers. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.720 I had to sit back and think to myself, what 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.840 job can I wear whatever I want? Because really, clothes 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.439 are important to me and feel good, Like how do 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.240 I feel good in my body and in my clothing 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.000 and in and in? You know, Carrie Washington said to me, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.159 I can't imagine you do doing any other job, you know, 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.479 like you just like you just And I remember thinking, 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.720 you're right, I would if you ask me what other 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.640 job could you do? I don't know what it would 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.960 be because I love it and I love it because 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:21.880 I love actors. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.560 That you can feel it. That's the we really really 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:26.520 fear it fail. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.800 Oh I'm glad Alison, you you were. You guided us 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:31.639 so beautifully. 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.199 Wait wait before we dive into scandal, because I'm a 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.240 fan and Garmu does this all the time. What was 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.359 it like directing Friday Night Lights? Because that's one of 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.320 my all time favorite shows, and I think the pilot 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:45.320 to Friday Night Lights honestly top five pilots of television. 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:51.000 Gray's Anatomy, Friday Night lights, those fucking pilots. I'm in 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.240 preschool with Scott Porter. I see him every day. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.119 Oh my god. He has such a strong. 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.159 Every day the strongest. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.640 We can't do that anyway, test ever. 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.400 So tell me about the direction Friday lights. 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.840 Real quick, Okay, real quick. We use three cameras all 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:15.159 the time. It was sixteen millimeter film. It was so beautiful. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.840 The DP his name is David Boyd. He's a genius. 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.359 He would put park Hams outside of a real location. 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.479 And we did not use sets. There were no sets. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.800 We read, no blocking. 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.720 No. Well, here's what we would do. I would walk 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:34.120 into uh, you know, Tammy Taylor's house and I'd say, okay, guys, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:35.720 what do you need? And he would say I want 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.520 to be making bacon and I need this, And Julie 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.119 would come in and go, I need my backpack and 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.080 my books. All right, you're going to come in from there. Yes, 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:43.840 you're going to come in from there. Yes, you're gonna 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.760 come from there. Yes, there is a point where I'm 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:47.680 going to take you guys outside. Okay, great, you're gonna 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.159 grab those things and we're going to go outside to 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.240 the car. Very good, and then you're going to get 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:52.600 in the car, and that's what we're going to end it. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.119 So that we would do what I would call like 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.479 a just a little skeleton blocking, and then the actors 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:00.639 would just go and then we put three cameras and 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.600 then I screamed things like crunch, you know, crash in, 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.520 get go to the mediums, go to the mediums. That 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.520 we go crash in and get to the to the 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.560 tight shocks. Then we flip the line. We do the 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.040 same thing, and we would be out in forty five minutes. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.120 No way, And let me tell you something minute. 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:19.399 Gee, have you ever watched Friday Night Lights? 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.679 No, I've only seen the movie, and just start watching 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:23.119 the show. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.320 Oh oh yeah, it's so beautiful. 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:26.400 I did seven episodes. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.560 God jamn, I'm gonna start watching it. 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:30.800 Wow, Allison, Wait, how many did you do? 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:31.199 Allison? 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.760 Ten? Seven, seven, And the number seven keeps coming up 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:39.399 and then seven fifty two, seven fifty two and five 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.360 plus two is seven? What the fuck? You guys? 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.320 Get them a lottery tickets, a baby. 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:48.520 Seven seven. 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:52.320 We will be. 0:20:52.359 --> 0:21:01.000 Back with more after the break. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.240 Everybody, We're gonna this real quick. At Scandal Pace. 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.399 We're talking about episode two nineteen titled seven fifty two, 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.560 which aired on April twenty fifth in twenty. 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.399 Thirteen, and it was written by Mark Fish and directed 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.040 by The Alison Lady Brown y'all. 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:15.720 It was guest starring Scott Foley as Jake Ballard, George 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.200 Newburn as Charlie, Jesse, Cott Nicole as Kim, Joe Morton 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:20.840 as Mysterious. 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:25.720 Man, Stony Westmoreland as Hal Rimbau, David Mounier as Crosby, 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.800 and Jordan Carretas as Hobby. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.879 And the synopsis if you don't know, do yourself a 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.359 favor and watch this episode multiple times because it it 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:36.560 will stand the test of time in my opinion. Okay 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:38.959 Hawks break down after being held in a trunk Sparks. 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.119 The OPA's team attempts at pulling him back from the 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.399 brink by sharing their very personal experiences working for Olivia. 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.240 As we dive into hucks past, we learn all of 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.200 the terrible things he's done for b six thirteen, from 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.080 the start of his recruitment, all the way until he 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:52.600 was held in the hole, until he renounced his family. 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.840 Meanwhile, in the present Fifthen Olivia finally air their grievances 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.920 about defiance before giving into love, albeit for a brief moment, 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.480 Jake Ballad wants off of the case with Olivia, but 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.119 the mystery Man has other plans. 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.280 And finally, as Olivia returns from the hospital, she's able 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.600 to snap Huck out of his trance as we learn 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:16.280 what seven point fifty two actually means. Oh yay, you 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.240 notes maybe just less sincere. 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.120 You're just a little too sincere. 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:24.720 Take that out, fake it up, take it out a 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:25.560 little bit, fake it up. 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:25.800 Yeah. 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.320 Yeah, Alison, when you were watching back this episode, do 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:35.359 you have any favorite memories of shooting any certain scenes 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:37.760 that you were like, oh my god, that that was 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:41.280 a huge scene for me, or scenes that were really hard, 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:42.840 or scenes that something like that. 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.560 Well, I think everything on the platform was amazing to me, 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:53.880 everything on the subway platform. So the teaser just incredible, 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:58.520 all of it. And I remember being like, I think 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.080 it was lated night. It was definitely late at night, 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.520 and I was wondering, did we do it two nights 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:05.320 or one night? 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.240 I feel like because I didn't, I feel like we 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.240 did two nights, but I don't quite remember. 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.280 Nights too, like at six hour chunks or something like that. Yeah, 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:18.440 but I remember that being incredible to me. Between Germo 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:24.280 and I and just our discussions and working toward his pain, 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:29.160 which was so beautifully evident and so well crafted. I mean, 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.160 come on, I just did so great and just all 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:36.439 of that between Jouseka and then the little Boy Hobby 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:41.359 and all of that, that night was very special to me. 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:43.800 I remember at one point, I don't know if you remember, 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.520 but you sat with me on the couch outside of 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.720 Huck's room. And it might have been when we were 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:53.159 doing the ending scenes where uh where Carrie ends up 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.520 coming in and out of you know, his trance that 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.960 he's in. But you sat with me and held my 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:03.399 hand and rubbed my hand for like twenty minutes and 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:05.760 just talking to me and taking care of and I 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:09.520 was like, it was so special and I'll never ever 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:11.600 forget that. I don't know if you do you remember. 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:13.160 That, It's be yeah. 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.560 And I don't know if I could have done what 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:19.119 I did in this episode without you. 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:23.960 It's the truth, Well I believe you could. But anyway, 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:27.159 I'm glad I was there to be a conduit, because 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.960 that's all I am. I'm there to just to guide 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:31.359 and to try to get to the truth. 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.119 By the way, the other craziness that was asked, I 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:37.240 think of directors on Scandal, was that you weren't given 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.719 a script until Yes, Like on other shows, you might 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:42.680 be giving a script far in advance that you could 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.879 really prep your shot list or make decisions on what 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.159 a still shot would be, or who's having the focus 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:48.600 or whatever. 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:51.320 Did you have any of that for seven fifty two? 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:56.159 Well, here's what's great. Because of Friday night Lights. That 0:24:56.480 --> 0:25:02.359 trained me to be unafraid of anything that wasn't planned. 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:10.160 It trained me to be fearless and to rely on actors. 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:12.879 Met on set. Right, that's it? 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:13.240 Yeah? 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:13.800 Yeah, yeah. 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:15.919 Also, and I think I can say this, and if 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.679 I can't, you guys you get it out. But they 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:21.880 hadn't shot Olivia's office yet. 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:22.520 Oh shit. 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:24.760 So I'm in there and I'm like looking at you. 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:26.639 I'm looking at your I'm looking at what's going to 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.440 be your office, I'm looking at what your So I'm 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.879 just like making notes and what looks cool and what 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:35.359 I could use. And I hear something in Olivia's office. 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:38.720 I'm in the back and I look like this. It's 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:44.119 Shonda Rhymes. She's all alone and she's moving in Olivia's office, 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:48.680 like scanning the room out of here and I'm in 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:54.480 the back over there, and I'm like, I should I 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:56.720 say hi? But she was in the think of that. 0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.840 You could see your mind working, sitting at the desk, 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.000 and she looked behind her and they had put some 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:07.720 pictures I think, like frames of like Olivia's personal life. 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:09.800 She went and I could see on her face. 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:10.440 I didn't like that. 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:13.080 She didn't want that, but I don't. I don't remember 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:14.920 if she took them down, or if she made a 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.280 note or somebody came in. I really don't know how 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.640 it happened, but I do know that all those things 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:20.680 got Did you ever say? 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.879 Did you say or did you just stay quiet? 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.919 I think I think it was quiet, and then something 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:29.000 did shift or something I was like hey, Like in 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:32.720 the back, lind I never say hello, how are you today? 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.159 So far away? But that I'll never forget that. 0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.879 Wow, that was I can't believe that memory. 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:43.400 Like being the first person to direct in Olivia Pope's 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.760 arm this and like Shonda was probably sitting in there 0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:47.560 thinking about like how does she talk in here? What 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.120 are the scenes that happen? What does she want in here? 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.400 Like way she how does your brain work in here? 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.840 Like oh my god, and it was just. 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:57.359 That's why I didn't want to interrupt it with a 0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:00.720 dumb hello. I just want I could see. It's sort 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.720 of like when I get to a set early, and 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:06.720 I really like doing that because I'm alone and I 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.520 can move around. Does this feel right? Does this feel right? 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.159 Because I'm going to make suggestions to you guys, but 0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.399 you can say, oh, I don't know, I don't know 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.520 if that's right. Let me try what you said, Alison. 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.000 You know that's how I like to do it. I 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:21.679 give you a sort of an idea, but then if 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.959 it doesn't feel right, it's like a bad pair of shoes. 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:25.800 I'm not going to ask it a wear. We're going 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:28.359 to do it feels Hey, You're going to do it 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.159 feels true, right, That's what we're all going for, what 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.720 feels true. So I like it in there early. But 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:38.080 the problem is people think they're there for you to 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.440 ask answer questions. I'm sitting down and people. 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.600 Are like, hey, Allison, non stop. 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.480 People don't give me the thing that Shonda got from me, 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:51.320 which I understand in the person let her be in 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:53.639 the freaking zone. And I've had to now that i'm older, 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.520 I've had to say excuse me nice when you see 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.840 me here early, I'm working right now, so I know 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.240 you want me to answer which pillow And I'm not 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:04.560 going to do that right now. So you go over 0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:07.320 there away from me and let me sit at his desk. 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.720 Oh my god, like you have to teach you. 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:15.359 I've directed seven fifty two. Leave me alone. Leave me alone. 0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:20.720 I know what I'm doing. I'm an out gay director 0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:23.560 and so it's scared. 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:29.479 And so it's just I was going to talk about this, yes, huge. 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.000 I forgot about Jessica too. 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:33.680 I have chill. 0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:35.880 I'm chilly. 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:38.120 And when you and I we were there and we 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.880 were working and there's this stuff. We're in Hollywood and 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.480 there's tons of people around and I'm telling them all 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.520 what to do, and he's over there doing all the feeling, 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.680 and she's over there and we're all great. And I thought, 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:56.280 that's shondaland right there, all these little misfits coming together, 0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:00.960 creating art in a subway hole in the middle of 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:04.360 you know, fricking wherever North hollywo or wherever we were. Yeah, 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:08.000 and I hugged them both. We remember, I was hugging you, 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.440 and then I hugged her and we were just I 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.600 don't know if we took pictures. I wish we we did. 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:14.520 Have a bunch of house and I'll send them to you. 0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.120 I have a ton of pictures of us in the subway. 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:21.240 Yeah, oh god, I just I remember that was being 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:22.280 very powerful. 0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:25.360 There was there was an unspoken like bomb there between 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:27.440 especially with you and I, and then of course whenever 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.600 we were we worked with Jessica. But just knowing that 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:35.360 we were, you know, these queer artists doing this amazing work, 0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.720 it just felt so special and so so rare, right, 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.160 And I was like, oh man. 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:44.200 This is what a dream. Yes, imagine whispering to little 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:45.840 ten year old Germa. 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:49.080 Listening to be fine, to. 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.200 Be an artist, got TV and like and they're going 0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:55.479 to give you all. And it's not like some indie 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:57.560 indie thing, you know what I mean. It's like, this 0:29:57.720 --> 0:29:59.880 is like, like you said, there's a lot of people 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.600 listening to you and supporting you and spending a shitload 0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:04.320 of money on this. Like I think our budget was 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:05.800 like two million an episode or something. 0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:07.280 I mean, it was crazy, like. 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.840 Everybody was watching it. I mean, by the time seven 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.600 fifty two air, this is episode two nineteen, so all 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:18.040 first season Scandal was not on people's radar, but by 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:22.280 episode two nineteen, this show was on people's radar. So 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:26.120 the stuff you three made and created in this episode 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:31.600 was huge and made it into the everybody's living room. 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.400 Isn't that something we made? Everybody's amazing. 0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:42.640 That's amazing and should be and it's just like, yeah. 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:44.800 I'm so glad you brought that up. Wow, Giermo, what 0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:46.840 stood out do you when you watched the episode back? 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.280 Same question, like, do you have specific memories that you 0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:54.200 can't let go like that or just oh my god, 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:55.080 right there, Well. 0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:57.640 Let's just get it out now. Like one of the 0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:00.960 most traumatizing things about shooting this episode is having to 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.760 shave my beard, to shave my scruff. I had to 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:09.720 be clean shaven for the majority of this episode, and 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:14.440 that is always work you no, because you know that 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:18.400 covers you know, your double chin or whatever flaws as 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:19.200 a guy that you have. 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:20.760 Oh yeah, forget it. 0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.360 If I could have a full fucking beard, I would 0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:26.440 if I could hear the bearded lady to take away 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.320 this full moon of a face, So do it in 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:30.080 one second. 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.240 You're like one particular But you know what I love 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:34.200 so much about it? 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:39.360 Though, is you're acting in this episode when you are 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:44.280 shaved and you are so happy, like we never we've 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.560 never seen Huck like that before, and it's so rare 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.000 in the whole seven years that we see you like 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.760 like bounding down the stairs and like making out with 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.360 Jessika and like meeting your son and like you're just 0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:02.320 so happy and full, and like did you work on that? 0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.040 Did you know you wanted to be so juxtaposit Like 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:05.680 how did you know? 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.320 We had no time? Aliston? You know, we had no 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.960 I had no time to even think about it, which 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.880 I cherished, probably why it was so great exactly. I 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.360 love that because then I get it. You sometimes is 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.720 a crazy artist that we are, you getting your head 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.320 and you overthink shit and you're like and then it 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:24.440 just yeah, but we had no time. I remember feeling 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.160 super anxious when I read the episode at the table 0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.440 read and being like, oh my god, we have a 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:32.560 lot of work to do. But then we were thrust 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.040 into it and we just started to work and it 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.520 just felt right and all of that sort of fell away. 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.800 And having you there, you know, guiding me and being 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:46.040 so protective and loving and good and you knew what 0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.400 I love about like directors that I love is directors 0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.000 that know exactly what they want. And you always knew 0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.600 exactly what you wanted. Of course you were open to, 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.200 you know, suggestions or if somebody didn't feel that was 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.880 right or whatever, but it just I felt again we 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.240 keep saying it, but I just felt super super safe 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:02.880 with you. 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:03.400 And it was. 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:08.640 Godes doing all that, which Alison brought out. But it's like, 0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:10.960 you can't believe how many fucking people you tortured and 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:11.560 murdered and. 0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:15.320 Like so many and then wrap their live faces. You 0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:16.400 know they weren't really dead. 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:22.160 Emplastic, yes, yes, yeah, folding. 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.240 Them up and then like hurry up and cut like. 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:31.120 Breathing. H But how hilarious that all these actors that 0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.600 they cast that you. I'm sure you chose them right, 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:35.840 I'm sure they came to you with pictures and then 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:37.960 all of a sudden they're like, take off all your clothes, 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:43.120 get into these skin colored like bi yeah, we're gonna 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.920 cut your toe off. Yeah, but they were all game, 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:46.960 they were leg down. 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.680 But you brought up something so great, the juxtaposition. And 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:52.840 again I go back to the writing. You know that 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.760 that marked it so well with you know, and and 0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:58.960 and the acting, the screaming when you were in such 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:01.920 a good mood because you knew that your your wife 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:06.120 had was pregnant, pregnant, and you said, I'm in a 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.920 good mood today, and just the way like yes, magic 0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:15.320 to see the disassociation, the compartmentalization, like the heck Jekyl 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.080 and hide quality. This is stuff we don't talk about. 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:21.040 I'm telling you we really didn't have to because he 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.440 had this great way of having a good mood. This 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.200 is great. And then it went from the guy going yeah, 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.719 did you see that transition? 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:31.840 That was such a beautiful transition was. 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.200 Amazing, And then she says, she's like, you know, there's 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.280 gonna be a lot of blood and all this they're gay, 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.120 like good, I got this, daddy. 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:41.360 There's gonna be a lot of blood. 0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:44.160 Do you remember the baby? The baby? Didn't they smother 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.040 it in like jelly, like grape jelly and like cream 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:47.840 cheese or whatever the. 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:51.719 Fuck it was. We used cream cheese and strawberry jam. 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:54.760 My god, but it was when we could use real babies. 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.080 During COVID, none of us could use real babies. So 0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.480 you'll see all these all these TV shows. 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:07.560 With plastic as dollies. That is so funny. That's really 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:08.320 really funny. 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:10.879 I thought, oh my god, it's a real baby. It's 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.719 a really good baby. And we shot the fingers and 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:18.320 as shown so beautiful. 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:20.080 We'll be right back, guys. 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.880 I want to add one quick thing about my memory 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.080 of this episode, even though it is not about Quinn. 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.600 And that's okay, I like to say, and I bow 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:34.400 down to both of you and all the work you 0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:36.759 did in my personal favorite Scandal episode of all time. 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:41.920 But I remember doing the table read in this courtroom 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:46.359 set you mean on location, Yes, in a courtroom that's 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:50.239 where this episode was red was first read, Yes, and 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:54.120 it was very spiritual and sacred, and it almost felt 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:55.520 like we were I know it was a courtroom, but 0:35:55.560 --> 0:36:00.920 it would almost felt like church or something. It was crazy, right, Yes, 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:04.919 And then I read the Quinn monologue and then Mary 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.000 Howard comes running up to me and says, you're gonna 0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:08.000 be first up at six am. 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:08.840 You think you can do it? 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:09.279 Oh? 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.239 Fuck? Of course, of course fuck. 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.840 And of course I'm like, okay, okay, I got this, 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.719 I got this, and that's it. Like I think we 0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:20.920 get out of there at like three four pm. From 0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:22.759 the table read by the time I get home and 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:24.879 have some dinner. Maybe I start working on this shit 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.040 around seven pm. And I'm in the makeup chair at 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:31.840 like five or something, and I've got it. But here's 0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:39.160 the worst part. Shonda Rhymes her dang self shows up 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:43.120 because she wants to watch the monologues and do never 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:46.799 on three of them, never onset because she's too busy 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:48.520 writing and she can't be on set. 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:50.799 Yes, she can't every monologue. 0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:56.480 My monologue was first, then went Darby, then went Harrison 0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:58.719 and you better be word perfect. 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:05.120 And she's there watching and I am diarrhea nervous. 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:10.080 I mean I am talking like, yeah, I am unwell, 0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:15.120 like they to jump here a whole other level of 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.359 like was already stressed because I was given no time. 0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.680 I was already stressed because you know, I was so 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.160 excited to get a monologue that I loved and like 0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:26.360 you said, the writing was so brilliant and this was 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:27.840 such a special episode and so I. 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:30.520 Felt, right, you want to do it justice, like yeah. 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:32.040 And then I was going to go first, and I 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:33.879 was like, why is this going first? 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.400 But okay, I'm the baby of the show, and a 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:39.719 lot of times that's what happens, and that's fine, right, 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.360 and I better show the fuck up. But then for 0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:46.400 the Queen herself to be there watching when. 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:46.960 She never was. 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:48.680 I was terrified. 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:50.000 Um believable. 0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:51.360 But you just said that. 0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:55.520 But now I have something to say about this, she said, God, 0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.680 should I read it? I don't know. I do it? 0:37:58.800 --> 0:37:59.000 Do it? 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.880 Okay? Wait, hold on everyone, hold on. Okay, okay, this 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:05.719 is what he says. So I call him and I say, hey, 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.520 I'm doing this thing. Do you have any good memories 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:10.560 like what happened in that editing room? Did we talk 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:12.960 about this? We talk about that? Do we switch anything around? 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.560 Did we move anything? I said, it's been thirteen or 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.799 ten years and had the choice of music. I asked 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:19.760 them about all that stuff. 0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:20.600 Okay, you're the best. 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.520 So here's what he says. Hello, I remember one thing, 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.160 which was the montage of Huck killing set to a 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:32.400 song I can see clearly now. Originally it was supposed 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.960 to be my showy a Moore, but Stevie Wonder and 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:38.440 is a state wouldn't let us do it because of 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.240 all the blood and violence, oh Shada, and I probably 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:45.160 tried fifty songs and then we landed on I can 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:49.520 see clearly now. I thought it was a brilliant turn. Also, 0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:53.560 and I can show you this for real. I'm not lying. Also, 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:56.800 Katie Lowe's monologue was played in a wunner, I believe. 0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:59.759 I remember you shot tons of setups, but as soon 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.360 as I saw that take, I thought, quote, I cannot 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:05.360 cut this up because it's perfect. 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:06.919 Oh my god, I'm gonna cry. 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.239 I also remember that you shot out of it. I'm 0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:12.040 just gonna go on. And it was a joy to 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:13.399 edit for you, as. 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:17.399 It always is. That I miss you, Okay, I love 0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:22.399 that so much. So thank you reaching out to him. 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.080 Thank you for reading that. 0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:31.160 And I am so proud of that monologue and my 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:34.960 diary because I do I do remember it being a 0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.200 wonner and I couldn't mess up the word, you know 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:37.600 what I mean. 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.239 Like I was like, I can do this, but. 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.320 I will never forget it. I will just it's like 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:47.320 of the seven years of scandal. 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.640 You know, you have like your special. 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.560 Memories that are like imprinted in like the deepest parts 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:59.280 of your brain, and that scene and that whole story 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.319 leading up to it, it is like one of them 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.920 for me. So thank you for helping me through that. 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.080 Yeah, and I think one of the reasons that they 0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:10.320 chose you to to go first is because y'all, Katie 0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:16.759 will no memorize her lines and memorize mine, know when 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.279 Olivia should come in with a certain line, like you 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.160 are the most I don't know how your brain works. 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:23.920 Josh Blena has it better than me, Joshina. 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:28.120 Katie would recite soliloquies from Shakespeare while we were like, 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.520 I'm waiting to shoot, and I'd be like, I don't 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:32.560 remember what I have to say when we're about to 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:36.440 shoot right now? How the fuss do you remember Ophelia's monologue? 0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:38.920 But that's why you're a better actor than me, because 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.120 you are so present and I am so stuck in 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:44.440 being right and correct. 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.640 You're so good at being right here right now. 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.480 I'm just like, now, I've already figured out all my turns, 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:51.439 like what I'm doing. 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:56.759 I'm also constantly diarrhea nervous. That's mostly why I'm holding the. 0:40:56.840 --> 0:41:00.960 Sides is I was very nervous. 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.160 Can we all give it up to for the monologues? 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.799 I mean Garry's analogue to Hawk at the end. 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:11.160 I mean I was hoping, Germo, you would remember something 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:15.600 about this, like the way everybody sat like it was 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:18.560 all very deliberate. When Katie came to sit, she sat 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:22.279 next to you like equals. They were like that, You 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.200 were like this. When Darby came in, her character is 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.360 very flinty, and you know, I don't feel anything anymore. 0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:31.560 She sat up on that table. 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:35.160 She was a little above you. When Columbus came in, 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.680 he also was above you. He was somewhere up high 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.479 and he was basically was sitting, but he was above 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:45.480 you that. When Carrie came in, she sat across from you, 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:50.400 I to eye and it was so cool. How that, 0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:55.760 how just the positioning of the actors makes such a difference. 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:57.520 Because I'm sitting there as a director, like, I'm going 0:41:57.560 --> 0:41:59.239 a bunch of monologues, How am I going to make 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.879 these different? They mean by where they sit and all 0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:05.319 of that. Yeah, but I wanted to ask you if 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:07.080 you remember, I think it was in the script there 0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:12.279 was something about Carrie helping you up, touching you, and 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:15.320 then helping you up, and it was her touch that 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:16.560 had you stop. 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.560 Yes, the hat has me stopped saying seven to fifty two. Yeah, 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.800 she's she's the only one that touches me out of 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:27.080 all the all the Gladiators. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:28.760 she touched. 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:30.960 You, and that's why you stop. 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:33.080 Broke in the bicycle. 0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:38.000 Contact and you can't lie about that stuff you can 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:38.720 feel and stuff. 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:43.040 Yeah, listen, it's honestly, it's it's rare. Like me and 0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:45.680 Katie talk about the tearstick all the time. You know 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.879 what a tearstick is, Alison. Obviously, when an actor can't 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:52.440 emotionally get there, you get a tearstick and you, you know, 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.839 sort of conjures up tears because it's mental being blown 0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.520 into your eyes. But this is one of the few 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:04.640 times that I was emotionally raw every single take, every 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:08.480 take on when you were covering Carrie ever she did, 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:12.000 I don't know, like maybe eight or more takes sobb 0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:14.640 it like I couldn't, I couldn't stop crying. And then 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:16.800 of course when it turned on me, it was it 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:20.319 was I don't know, it was it was. I've never 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.600 experienced anything like that before where I was just so 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:24.560 raw in it. 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:26.520 My god, when you say I think I used to 0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:27.719 have a family. 0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.799 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't remember. I could 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.279 cry right now about. 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.640 It, I know. So do you think it Do you 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:40.400 think it was? Because it was so it just felt 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:44.400 so real. His background just it felt so real. And 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.800 do you think it touched something in you that that 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:49.600 maybe yeah. 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:55.120 Yeah, yeah I connected to Hucks. 0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:59.520 It's the saddest thing ever, those shots when you realize 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:01.960 that seven fifty two is the fucking time and the 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.399 fucking train where he sees her and him, and then 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.319 I'm so angry that this is so emotional, but it's 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.279 like and then the sun comes up to him and 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.520 finally puts money in his cup, like and that is. 0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:23.080 It's just like all so much and perfect and also 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:25.640 we're seeing the making. It's so cool. I love when 0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:28.000 shows do this, but god, this one did it so well. 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.680 But I love that it took. 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:36.279 Nineteen plus seven episodes to figure for us to realize 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:38.920 and learn what Mads. 0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:42.200 Hawk the huck we know, oh right, yeah, what happened 0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:42.520 to him. 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.320 It's like, we've spent so many hours with this character 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.400 who's so fucked up, and we love that he's so 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.520 fucked up, and he's so dark and he murders people 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.000 and he has no issues with it, and he has 0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:55.320 a whiskey addiction, which is really just metaphor for hurting people. 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:57.319 And why is he like this, and why is he's 0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.880 why is he like this? What could have possibly happened 0:44:59.880 --> 0:45:02.880 to this person to make him who he is? And 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.400 seven fifty two is when we learn what was taken 0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:09.239 from him and how and how brutal that was, and 0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:14.040 just it's it's it's it and it answers every it makes. 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.359 It's like, oh my god, that's why he is who 0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:16.759 he is. 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:22.640 It's just yeah, so good, it's so true, so good, 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.680 it's so How about the and also the locations? 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.000 Yeahba, my wife. 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:34.480 I was like, we see that that empty refrigerator, that huge, 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:38.880 empty fucking refrigerator. That this woman who did the locations 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.040 And why can't I think of her? She's Mary Howard's buddy. 0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:43.360 Yes, I can't. 0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:45.799 Woman. 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:48.960 Wait which refrigerator? Wait, what are you talking about? 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.120 It's an well you probably didn't know it was a refrigerator, 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:54.239 but it's huge. It was a commercial refrigerator. Happens to 0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.960 be in my neighborhood weirdly in South pass Over here. 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:58.920 I always see it. I always see the bill, like 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:02.239 that's what we did. We did all that stuff on 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.600 the east side because Mary Howard's brilliant about finding stuff 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:10.400 and it was a really big commercial freezer or refrigerator, 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:13.799 I'm not sure what. It was. All metal, metal top, 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.719 metal size, metal bottom. And that's where we killed the guy. 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:19.359 I don't know. He's probably the second or third guy 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.759 we killed. And at the last the last shot is 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:31.399 Garmo tiny tiny in the frame and this room where 0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:32.879 you could stream all day. 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:38.160 You do you remember that the other set, Allison, where 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.640 it's the hallway where Huck is walking with Charlie and 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.279 he's like, so, how do you feel it feels good? Right, 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:47.080 and like, yeah, it feels really good. Oh, that's such 0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:51.400 a beautiful shot. That long, long, sort of amber lit hallway. 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:53.439 Oh so good, very. 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:56.160 Famous hallway which I have seen really huge movies now 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:58.000 at least three times I. 0:46:58.000 --> 0:46:58.440 Would go to. 0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:00.320 That. 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.520 I'm starting to be like that person shout that all 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:07.719 the way, you know, so you're right, it was. It's spectacular. 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:11.920 That whole complex, which is this weird it's in Arcadia, right, 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.560 who's in Arcadia or something on the east side, and 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:18.080 that ugly nondescript room which you're so smart. I love 0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:22.239 you in that scene when Charlie's there, did I guess 0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:25.120 we had to feel like if Huck did not do 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.640 this it wasn't about going back on tour. He looked 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:32.879 over and he saw Charlie with his hands get killed, 0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:36.920 so you might as well do whatever and see what happens. 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:42.080 Yes, that's about having always popula right. 0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:44.960 Also, this is the episode where we learn right, like 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:49.160 how Huck got to o p A yes, right, right, 0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:52.080 Like we learned in this episode that Charlie lets him 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.560 go and says, right, isn't that what happens in here? 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:57.200 Yeah, let go and. 0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.640 Reports back to the mysterious man that is that he 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:01.480 killed dulls Oh yeah, right. 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:04.560 And so basically Charlie like saves Huck in a way 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:06.879 like he saves his life totally. Yeah. 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.840 Yeah, and then he has nowhere to go except be homeless, 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:13.880 which is the reason that you know Olivia picks him up. 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:18.080 But oh god, this episode. Wait, Elson Lee Brown. 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.000 I'm sure you have to go and you have like 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:21.800 a life to lead, but wait, I just want to 0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:22.960 read you a couple of things, and we have to 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.120 do a couple tweets of the time, and I just 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:26.640 want to hear about what you're doing now, and then 0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:28.440 can we just hang out forever and ever and ever? 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:34.040 Fun facts Olivia's speech to Huck mirrors one that fits 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:36.000 gave to her a call back to the significance they 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.520 hold in each other's life. Yes, another fun fact, Joshua 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:43.200 Fucking Molina has a credit in this episode despite not 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:46.040 appearing in it at all, which you know, classic Josh. 0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.600 Malina was so psyched to get paid and not work. 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:52.480 Josh loved. 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:54.840 I used to get calls like, oh, you're not going 0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.000 to be in this episode because it's a flashback before 0:48:57.120 --> 0:48:59.400 like Quinn was even around, and I'd be so bummed 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:01.839 because I just love to work so much, whereas Josh 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:03.320 is the polar opposite because. 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:06.560 I'm not this episode. He'd be like, yeah, like he's getting. 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:10.680 Kay, don't gotta work. And now we do tweets at 0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:11.560 a time Yo. 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.719 Tweet, tweet, twee tweet two tweetweet tweets at the time 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:20.200 At Caspine fifteen. This aired on April twenty six, twenty thirteen. 0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:22.360 That's ten years ago. Tweeted. 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.120 I know I'm late, but hashtag scandal was so good. 0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:28.600 I like that, Olivia hashtag kW that's good. 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:32.279 I loved it. You stood your ground okay yeah, and. 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:37.080 Worldwide Boss Underscore four tweeted, so why were people saying 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:39.560 seven fifty two was how many people are killed last 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.440 night liars hashtag scandal. 0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:43.920 Oh that would have been good though. 0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:45.160 That's interesting. 0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:49.840 I love in Abby's monologue that she says seven hundred 0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:51.600 and fifty two are probably the amount of things that 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.759 you had to do for Olivia. I love that. I 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:56.920 love that part of it. That's part of her monologue. 0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:02.440 Me too, Oh, she's great at Michelle Kudso tweeted got 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:05.000 a feeling Huck was ordered to kill his wife and child, 0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:06.640 Luno hashtag scandal. 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:09.680 That would have been terrible. Oh God, that's been horrible. 0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:12.560 Right he did he told you to do it, didn't 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:14.600 Charlie say you got to get rid of him. You 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:16.320 got to get rid of He's like you said, I know, 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.080 I know he goes you do it or I'm going 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.880 to do it. Oh, she says to you in the backyard, 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:24.680 which I got like, and then you I know, I 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:25.239 know what to do. 0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:28.399 That was one of my favorite scenes. He walks into 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:33.560 his house and he sees Charlie holding Hobby holding that baby. 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:37.520 The baby, It's that's one of my hobby favorite scenes. 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:41.920 Favorite scenes. Okay you Ni Chris at Underscore Criss Cross tweeted, 0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:44.359 oh lord, how many of y'all going to tweet seven 0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.800 fifty two at seven fifty two hashtag scandal. I love that. 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:49.480 That's a great one. 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:54.240 Brian Waller Scott at BK Prodigy tweeted, damn, I'm officially 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:55.600 hooked from this last episode. 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.680 That was really sad hashtag scandal true. 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:03.279 True at Jenna and Ge tweeted one thing about last 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:05.799 night's hashtag scandal is how the hell was fits able 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.440 to stay with live for so long? Doesn't he have 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:09.399 a country to run? 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:10.640 Yo? 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:16.960 Yo, she ain't wrong, that's so true. 0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:22.280 At Pope Grant, Oh, Pope Grant tweeted, bro Olivia, Pope's 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:26.320 face here, So y'all let me go priceless flawless acting 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:29.200 At Columbus short one hashtag scandal hashtag seven fifty two, 0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:37.080 Oh my god, Columbus shorts has at Lauren x Nicole 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:40.080 tweeted seriously hashtag scandal. Olivia is way too strong of 0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:41.680 a woman to put up with Fitz's shit. 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:46.880 Not wrong, well, but yeah. Cynthia Spain tweeted, I know 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:48.960 I'm late, but scandal was so good. 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:49.400 I liked that. 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.720 Olivia Kerrie Washington, I loved it. You stood your ground. 0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:55.360 Cool nice hell yeah right, Oh my. 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.720 Gosh tweets at the time. Next episode up is called 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:02.239 a Woman's School. That's episode two twenty. I can't remember 0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:04.720 what it's about. I don't garma, I have no idea 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.680 what it's about. Alison Liddy Brown. When we Germo and 0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:10.000 I went back to watch all the episodes and we 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:12.320 wrote down like who would be our dream guests for 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:16.279 each episode, you know, like depending on if Cyrus had 0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:18.359 a huge monologue's like we'd love to get him or whatever. 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.600 And seven fifty two came and Gearmo and I were both. 0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:22.399 Like, al was of Liddy Brown? 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:26.840 Yeah, yeah, we love you so much. You're so happy you. 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:30.160 Did this, and this episode would not I mean, Scandal 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.440 would not have been scandal without you and all the 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:36.200 thank you but truly, you are one of the greatest 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:41.640 episodic directors and directors period. Nothing comes before that word. 0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:44.160 Yeah, I would a treat you've given to the listeners 0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:47.840 with the stories and you know, so good, so. 0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:50.640 Good, here's so effective on how it's shot and stuff 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.239 like you really don't talk about that much. Oh oh good, 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.319 like how it's shot and things like that at all, 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:59.640 Like because we just act as, although Gamo. 0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:02.480 Is YO, that shit is not easy. 0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:03.880 What did you direct? 0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:06.439 This indie film called Dear Luke Love Me. A friend 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.120 of mine wrote this beautiful script and I directed it. 0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:12.560 Kia Kia, who was one of our ads on Scandal What. 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:15.600 I hired her to be my first ad and she 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:20.800 was amazing. But I listen, I realized how unprepared I 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:22.759 was to direct. I mean, I did it, and I 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:24.960 loved it. I loved working with the actors and working 0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:27.680 on the scenes and stuff. But all that technical stuff 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:29.879 is still I still there's I have so much to learn, 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.800 you know, but it was I want to do it 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:34.200 again a long time. 0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:38.240 Yeah, Yeah, Alison Laddy Brown, you are one of a kind, 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:42.480 gem of an artist, leader, human director. 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:46.640 I can't wait for the day when I get to 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:49.120 work with you again and you give me to. 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:51.680 You guys like we'll always have seven fifty two. 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:56.040 We can we just say that too, we always will. 0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:59.960 Touched me very deeply. Thank you, guys, thanks for having 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:03.560 Thank you Allison Liddy Brown continued success. 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:08.680 Thank you, Thank you lah Lah bye guys, bye bye. 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:14.359 Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox. 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:18.239 If you enjoyed the show. Please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:19.360 or leave us a review. 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:23.480 Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alcea, Lauren Homan, 0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:27.560 Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is 0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:31.320 Vince De Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher. Unpacking the 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:34.640 Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership with iHeartRadio. 0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:38.560 For more podcasts from Shondaland Audio, visit the iHeartRadio app 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:40.760 or anywhere you subscribe to your favorite shows.