1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: On this episode of newt World. As progressive policies get 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: more extreme and challenging them becomes more dangerous, the left 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: expects us to submit to the madness. In her new 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: book Fear Itself, exposing the Left's mind killing agenda, Tammy 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Bruce uncovers how Marxists and their leftist wingman induce fear 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: as the tactic to achieve their ultimate personal goal, killing 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: your mind. And Fear Itself, she reveals how an alliance 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: between government, academia and business weaponized COVID climate change, systemic racism, 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: terrorist parents, identity politics, vandalizing language, and cancel culture. So 10 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: here to talk about a new book. I'm really pleased 11 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: to welcome my guest, a really smart woman who I 12 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: look forward to watching every time she's on TV. Is 13 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: the best selling author of The New Thought Police and 14 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: the Death of Right and Wrong. She's also the host 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: of a national podcast, The Tammy Bruce Show, serves as 16 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: a Fox News contributor, and writes regular columns for amac us. Tammy, 17 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: welcome and thank you for joining me on Newtsworld. 18 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 2: Well, it's an honor I obviously, as we all are 19 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 2: a great admirer of your work and in this fight 20 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: together and it's an honor to be here, so thank you. 21 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: It's hard to know where to begin. There's so much 22 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: going on right now, but let's just start with Biden's 23 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: announcement on Sunday that he will not be running for 24 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: another term, and then his speech on Wednesday night. What 25 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: was your reaction to that whole thing? 26 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I felt that he had no upside 27 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: to leave, right He's clearly from the beginning, no one 28 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: was surprised about his condition, and I think that there 29 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: was just this desperation, obviously to demonize Trump, to get 30 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: somebody that people knew. He clearly, even in twenty twenty, 31 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: was not prepared to be president. But the bureaucracy always 32 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: thinks that it's the president anyway, and that who needs 33 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: the actual president because the actual president doesn't do anything. 34 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: And I think that there was an agreement that the 35 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: only way to really overcome Trump and that outsider individualism 36 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: that appeals, of course to Americans because things have gone 37 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: so wrong for so long, was to get somebody that 38 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: people they thought they knew, And of course the rhetoric 39 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: in that campaign was reflected that that he was the unifier, 40 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: he was the adult things would get back to normal. 41 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: Now for the system, the disaster we have now is 42 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: normal and they want that. And I can get into 43 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: that later if we like. But I think from the 44 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: beginning this was the arrangement nobody thought, including the Bidens. 45 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: I would argue that he was going to be working 46 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: on a daily basis being president, and I'm sure the 47 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: argument was there was a bureaucracy and a team of people, 48 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: hundreds of people that will make this work. And of 49 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: course we've seen the result, and I consider that part 50 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: of the lie to the American people about what was happening. 51 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: And because we expect the president and the founders expected 52 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: the president to be a man, or we can have 53 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: now a woman, a man of action of somebody who 54 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: at which Trump embodies perfectly, and certainly Joe Biden did not. 55 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: I think the left had exhausted the American people and 56 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: so they went for COVID was so disruptive and ultimately 57 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: we know the result. But I think the Biden's problem 58 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: now was that they are understandably and were perplexed about 59 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: why the original arrangement, understanding his limitations, suddenly was no good. 60 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: His reputation, their public commitment, and so you've got people. 61 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: And that's why he fought it as I was hoping 62 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: he would, because if he would run, he at least 63 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: had a chance of winning. And I'm sure everyone was 64 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: shocked that they won in twenty twenty, so why not 65 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: do it again? Well things have changed, of course, and 66 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 2: of course the polls that planned for Trump to be 67 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: in jail and for people to abandon him in the 68 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: public failed miserably, and so suddenly their idea didn't work. 69 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: They were just going to run them again. No one 70 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: would be asking these questions newte about Biden's condition because 71 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: they would have had no choice. That was the issue. 72 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: And so I think that he became perplexed and angry 73 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: some of the news reports, and it really cast the 74 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: Bidens as angry as they should be because they were 75 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: doing their job. They were presenting the front. It was 76 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: the plan to get rid of Trump that everything relied 77 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: on that failed. So it was the masters of the 78 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: universe who set the Bidens up, who will pay no price, 79 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: and casting Biden as the problem. I mean, my goodness, 80 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: So if he runs, he would maybe be able to win. 81 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: If he quits, he loses the only power he has 82 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: with a family under more investigation. He's the president of 83 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: the United States, that's the fact of the matter. And 84 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 2: if you're a private citizen, then there's nothing you can do. 85 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: That's why I worry about the next six months, about 86 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: the nature of the choices he may make. Some could 87 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: be good and some could be bad. And then, of 88 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: course his speech, which I mean really announcing the original 89 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: decline to run on Twitter with a digitally signed note, 90 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: with the nation in this condition and with our enemies 91 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: watching and our friends was a shocking development. And then 92 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: he's at the resolute desk and not sounding really resolute 93 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 2: except repeating, look, nothing would change. It's an operation built 94 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 2: on lies and manipulation, and this was a speech of 95 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: lies and manipulation. We didn't get any answers. We don't 96 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: know really why he did. If it's not his health, 97 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: it's because it's the polls, which means it's the ultimate 98 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: inelection interference. It's madness. 99 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: Didn't it strike you as extraordinary that here's a guy 100 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: that got fourteen and a half million votes, had ninety 101 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: nine percent of the delegates, and boom, Pelosi and others 102 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: step in and say, you know that no longer counts. 103 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: You're gone, and a couple of weeks of pressure, he 104 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: was gone. I mean, isn't that the equivalent of a coup. 105 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: What it does prove to the American people, and this 106 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: should have a wider discussion, is that their concern for 107 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 2: democracy has been a foe concern for democracy, that this 108 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: was natural for them. They wanted to do it, and 109 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: then they did it, and it was like there was 110 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: no concern, and they knew the media would not say 111 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: boo to them in doing it. And now the media 112 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: is falling into place as we've guessed, you know, Kamala 113 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: Harris is the second coming, and Joe Biden is a 114 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: hero said by it the same people who had threatened him, 115 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: and he clearly had to be threatened, likely as I 116 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: think you might agree with the twenty fifth Amendment. With Nixon, 117 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: it took the impeachment vote in the House where he 118 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: knew what was coming, but that was bipartisan. In this case, 119 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: it was a bunch of people masters again of the universe, 120 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: who just decided that the votes of their own base 121 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: didn't matter. That they've decided they can't win, and that's 122 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: part of democracy. Part of democracy is losing sometimes, and 123 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: they just decided they don't like that, and so they're 124 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: going to change the game. That is certainly an attack 125 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: on democracy, it's an attack on their own base. It 126 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: was just a remarkable thing to watch, and it put 127 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: this nation in does put this nation in greater danger 128 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: because our enemies are watching. They know no one is 129 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: leading the country. And certainly if they think Kamala Harris 130 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: is going to be a co president, why would she 131 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: need to be doing that if Joe Biden is just fine. 132 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: So it's mixed messages everywhere. But what we do know 133 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: is that what the Democrats say they are has been 134 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: a lie and that our system continues to be at risk, 135 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: not ironically all the things they've said about Trump, but 136 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: because of the people making the accusations, the projection of 137 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: the nature of how they operate they've been putting on 138 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: Trump and anyone who challenges what it is they're trying 139 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 2: to do to us. 140 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: Were you surprised at the sheer speed with which they 141 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: consolidated around Kamala Harris? 142 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: Not really. I think there are some I'm not an 143 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: expert in this, but there was. I know that the 144 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: war Chess, the ninety one million dollars that existed because 145 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: it was donated to the ticket with her name on it, 146 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: but that money could have just then gone, I believe 147 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: to the party. One of the only not very good argument. 148 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: You think, if you're going to blow up the presidency 149 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: because his numbers are bad, not because he's old, but 150 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: because the policies have destroyed people's lives and have destroyed 151 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: the world. The world's at war in one way or another, 152 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: that you take the opportunity to put someone in and 153 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: have it be your person, like a Joe Manchin, even 154 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: not that I would recommend that, but somebody who could 155 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: legitimately say, or even a Robert F. Kennedy who's a 156 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: liberal problem, but who has no association with the border 157 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: and with the crime and with the riots and all 158 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: the things, and with Jew hatred and Israel the things 159 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: that Americans are like no way, which is why Biden's 160 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: numbers are so low, which is why her numbers are 161 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: so low. But if your goal is to let's say 162 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,119 Speaker 2: a gambit to try to win Georgia or North Carolina, 163 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: and or it's the down ballot where you're worried about 164 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 2: various districts in Michigan or Minnesota, places where a little 165 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: bit of a shift might save people down ballot, and 166 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: then they'll promise that she'll be the next in line 167 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty eight. Other than that, it is perplexing 168 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 2: that they would choose the person who has as much 169 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: baggage and is as responsible as Biden for the things 170 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: that have caused the collapse of the party itself. 171 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: In many ways, the most effective person driving Biden out 172 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: was Nancy Pelosi from San Francisco, and as she said 173 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: in her own statement endorsing Kamala, she said, I have 174 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: seen Kamala Harris as strength and courage, as a champion 175 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: for working families. Personally, I have known Kamala Harris for 176 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: decades as rooted in strong values, faith, and a commitment 177 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: to public service. So you have a San Francisco Speaker 178 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: of the House getting the president to resign, to withdraw, 179 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: and then turning and getting a San Francisco radical who 180 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: she's known for decades as the Democratic nominee. Isn't isn't 181 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: all of this sort of a little too clever. 182 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: It's dirty, it's dirty, it's too clever, And of course 183 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: it's just amusing when you hear Nancy Pelosi talking about, 184 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: you know, faith and decency, and all of that. The 185 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: fact of the matter is I think that this again, 186 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: it's their nature, right. They have such a contempt for 187 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: the American people and they've clearly have been successful for 188 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: a long time pretending, and we've fallen for it. Trump 189 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: has been the fly in that ointment, and it shows 190 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: you how weak what they do is that one person 191 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: or voters saying just a minute, you know you people 192 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: have been in charge. Look at our lives. And that's 193 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: why I think for the black communities and the black vote, 194 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: and when Trump first said in twenty sixteen, what have 195 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: you got to lose? And it's one of the arguments 196 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: even in my book, is that what the left does 197 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: is so fragile and so dumb. All the energy goes 198 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: into stopping people from looking up, making them afraid to 199 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: look up, making them too poor to look up, making 200 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: them too busy to look up because you're working three jobs. 201 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: It's like hanging on to a roller coaster that has 202 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: no breaks, and they're thinking you won't look up and say, 203 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: wait a minute, and that's now what we're doing. And 204 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: I think that Look, she's a woman, she's been very powerful. 205 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: She clearly is effective based on raw power, but Americans 206 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: want good governance. You know, this might be a game 207 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: for them, it's not a game for us. And she, 208 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: of course is thinking about Gavin Newsom and the pipeline 209 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: from Sacramento into Washington. They have all these generations mapped out, 210 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: they have all the races mapped out, who's going to 211 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 2: be president when. And the Republicans did the same thing 212 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: for a while. But the fact is the American people, 213 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: we have a certain amount of patients. But how many 214 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: times can you send your children off to a war 215 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: that you just have no idea and you can't ever 216 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: be won and it goes on for twenty years. I 217 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: have no problem with war if you go in there 218 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 2: and you go in to win. And then you've got 219 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: Trump who goes in and says, okay, you know, we're 220 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: going to get rid of ices and the establishment. These 221 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: same people say, oh, it'll take thirty years. We can't 222 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: do it, it'll insult all the Muslims, as though all 223 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: Muslims liked isis Trump gets rid of ices in eighteen months, 224 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: because you can do it. And I think that this 225 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: is for a Pelosi who's used to just fear mongering, 226 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: but gas lighting, manipulating people and then as it works, 227 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: their opinion of the American people declines, their own opinion 228 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: of themselves go up, and it becomes, as we've now seen, 229 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: nude hubris, a hubris that couldn't consider that maybe their 230 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: plan to destroy Trump wouldn't work, a hubris that kept 231 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: them from understanding why Trump was popular in the first place, 232 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 2: and rating Mara a Lago was only going to increase 233 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 2: that support because too many Americans have been in a 234 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: smaller version but have dealt with the government, the IRS, 235 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: or local police or some local council members, or taxes 236 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: on their property or other things that go on where 237 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,479 Speaker 2: there's no way to fight back, and we just want fairness. 238 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: And what we saw happening to Trump was unfair, but 239 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: that's how they operate. So now it's dirty and it's 240 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: ugly what we've allowed to occur. And now it's up 241 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: to us to say enough is enough. It's Corey, our 242 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: young man, our dad, who got murdered at the Trump rally, 243 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: who was killed by the sniper's bullet. His last tweet, 244 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: I think, was to a tweet from the Biden Harris 245 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: headquarters account with them saying some dumb lie and he 246 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: tweeted back and paraphrasing, but why are you saying this? 247 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: We are not dumb. The average person is sitting back 248 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: thinking just that. And I'm very excited and I'm proud 249 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: of us, and it's horrible we have to do this, 250 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: but you know what, it is the greatest country on earth, 251 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: and bad people want it, and we're charged with making 252 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: sure that bad people don't get it. It's that simple. 253 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: When I first knew of you, you used to be 254 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: a leftist community organizer, so you came with all of 255 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: this from a unique and a different angle. How did 256 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: that experience shape your analytical approach and the way you 257 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: see the world? 258 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: Well, you know, look, I was a true believer. People 259 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: who are attracted to the left usually are because they're 260 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: damaged or they're looking for some kind of redemption or 261 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: a way to make up for something, and the left 262 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: praise on that. Right. It's what the Democrats do. They 263 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: romanticize victimhood. You're elevated based on victimhood. They need to 264 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: maintain result victimhood. I went in really on the issue 265 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: of women and violence against women and wanting to make 266 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: the world better for women, partly because of my mother's 267 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: life and then my first girlfriend, your audience may not 268 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: know that I'm gay, an actress in her thirties, considerably 269 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: older than me at the time, and she killed herself 270 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: and there was a combination of issues of mental illness 271 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: and despair and other things that people deal with, and 272 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: she took her life. And so I was a perfect 273 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: person to move into the left after those kinds of experiences, 274 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: and more Americans are familiar too. Many Americans familiar with 275 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: situations involving despair, and so they rely on that and 276 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: there is a manipulation of that and it becomes cult like. 277 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: But I wanted to really be successful. I wanted to 278 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: fix things. And for me, the switch was when I 279 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: was complaining to my feminist mentor, who has since passed away, 280 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 2: that we are making certain things worse and that didn't 281 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: make sense to me. And this is through the National 282 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 2: Organization for Women, and I was on the national board 283 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: and I was the president of the Los Angeles chapter, 284 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: and she said to me, you know, Tammy, every now 285 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: and then, we have to rubsalt into the wound, because 286 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: if we organize ourselves out of business by being too successful, 287 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: then we won't be here when we're needed again. And 288 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: I thought, my god, this is all a scam. This 289 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 2: is a way for certain people to make money and 290 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: to be in the news. So I was being thwarted. 291 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: They ended up hating me, of course, because I wanted 292 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: to be successful on our issues. So yeah, went into 293 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: talk radio at a station, and I'd write about Rush 294 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: in the book as well, where Rush had his show 295 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: KFI and Los Angeles, and I was the token liberal 296 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: at the time. I think I was working on the 297 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: weekends and sometimes filled in during the week and Rush 298 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: came in as they do visit their various stations. Nor 299 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: were the audience. The audience was Christians for the most 300 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: of our conservatives, but Rush was not what they said 301 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: he was. Surprisingly, I met a man who was charming 302 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 2: and generous and interesting and interested in me and offered advice, 303 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: was not afraid of me as being a liberal or 304 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: put off. And I began, through talk radio in particular, 305 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: to realize that things I'd been told by the left 306 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: were not true about other people. And you know, it 307 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: culminated with Clinton and Lewinsky, when the feminists and all 308 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: the women and the Democratic Party were you know, hug 309 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: and Bill Clinton and all of this is a lie. 310 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: Was like enough already and being able to be open 311 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 2: enough to know when a mistake has been made, and 312 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: then to be willing to because sometimes you have to 313 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: change your life. You know, that's an identity issue. Feminism 314 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: and being on the left is an identity and you 315 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: have to be ready to change and to have your 316 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: life change. 317 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: And I was. 318 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: I Thank goodness I was young enough to make those changes. 319 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 2: And I know my generation of women doing the feminist 320 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: work in the eighties and nineties feel exactly as I do. 321 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: Many of them can't leave because it's their family, but 322 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: my generation gets it now. I think that my story 323 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 2: is the American story. We all start out in a 324 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 2: certain way. Look, I can talk with you. We're both 325 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: you know, in our local places, and we can hear 326 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 2: conversations that matter, which used to be and they still 327 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: tried with censorship with Twitter before Elon, they tried to 328 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 2: keep us from having certain conversations. And we're fighting that 329 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: as well. 330 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: So you took all this and your first book, The 331 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: New Thought Police, came out in two thousand and one 332 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: and it was immediately a bestseller, and it seems to 333 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: me it sets the stage for what you've been saying 334 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: ever since talk just a minute about the new thought police. 335 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know it's Orwellian right, every writer, especially Orwell 336 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: who's writing during and in the aftermath of World War Two, 337 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: recognizing the threat and what fascism really was. Ray Bradbury 338 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: coming after that as well, who is a big influence 339 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: on me. But the ability to move through fiction the 340 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: stories of what man does, what humanity is capable of, 341 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 2: and that we had to be warned because even though 342 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: we would defeat and had defeated the Germans and the 343 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: Italians and the Japanese, the fascism that had emerged, that 344 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: it was always going to be a threat because it's 345 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: the human condition, and America was particularly well positioned to 346 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: be that bulwark against it. And so I think that 347 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: for that book, it was my first book having left 348 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: now and wanting people to know what was happening and 349 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: the nature of the attempts to change language. As leftists, 350 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: we did that a lot, and you know what spurred 351 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 2: us on a great deal was that the Republicans and 352 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: the Conservatives would never respond because they were afraid. And 353 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: it's still the case we controlled media. I write about that, 354 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: or write about that my second book, But there is 355 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 2: a control of establishments and it kind of inspires you 356 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: to keep on doing it. And so for me, I felt, 357 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: how can I make the mistake I've made, but you know, 358 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: not on purpose. How can I make sure my experience 359 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: and what has happened to me is not in vain? 360 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: That maybe what I've learned for other feminists and women 361 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: that maybe this is not what you want to spend 362 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 2: your money on. Don't get invested in this because it's 363 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: a fraud. It's not good. And I think, especially with 364 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: political correctness and identity politics, political correctness in particular, the 365 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 2: issue of beginning to train people about what it is 366 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: that they're allowed to think, because if saying something is 367 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: too dangerous because the rules keep changing and you don't know, 368 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: then you stop thinking about the issues. And that's what 369 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: the left wanted, were people who would be quelled and 370 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: too afraid to push back because you'd be called a racist, 371 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 2: a sexist, a homophobe. And that's the subtitle, is that 372 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 2: on the left is where all of that ugliness, all 373 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: of that bigotry lives, and it's the left co opting 374 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: issues that Americans care about. Of course, there's racism and 375 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: sexism and homophobia of course there is, but we're not 376 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 2: drowning in it. It is something we work on and 377 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: we become a better people and a better country. But 378 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: the left co opts these issues and then rides them 379 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: to death, using them to divide us even further. And 380 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: so where are we now? Because gays can get married 381 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: and we've been successful, So now what is it? It's 382 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: now trensgender people. There'll always be something new and different 383 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: to be able to use to call people bigots and unacceptable, 384 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: and that's part of the fear mechanism. So for me, 385 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: at first, it was the obviousness about the attempts to 386 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: control language and to keep changing it to keep people 387 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: from not knowing what the rules were. And then the 388 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: moment you captured people and their minds, then you could 389 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: start changing everything else. And then identity politics, of course, 390 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: which is part of that. It's easier to condemn and 391 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: control a group of people when they're isolated, and that 392 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: is also deliberate. The main thing from the new book 393 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: and from all my books, really is that none of 394 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: what we're experiencing in our culture with politics is normal. 395 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: It's not natural or organic, it's not inevitable, and it 396 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: can be defeated, but you have to know it. You 397 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: have to see it before you know what it is 398 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 2: you're having to defeat. 399 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: And you came back to this theme in an article 400 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: you wrote at Fox News in July called Biden Democrats 401 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: use fear threats and intimidation to win. Here's how we resist. 402 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that almost exactly going to be the 403 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: experience of the Trump campaign is an overwhelming effort to 404 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: use fear threats and intimidation. 405 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it literally is their only language. It would 406 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: be like somebody coming up, you know, who speaks only 407 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: English and expecting them to speak French. They can't speak 408 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: any other language. That's what they know. And that thing 409 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: about toning down the rhetoric after the guy gets shot 410 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: in the face, that lasted what new eighteen hours? I 411 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 2: mean just I was just sitting back. It was like 412 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: they couldn't do it. After the Kavanaugh attempted assassination, they 413 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 2: couldn't stop themselves. After the baseball diamond shooting that we 414 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: know grievously injured Steve Scalise and could have been the 415 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: murder of members of Congress. Even after that, they couldn't 416 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: stop themselves. And those instances all were provoked someone based 417 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 2: on the rhetoric that had been used, demonizing, personalizing, demonization 418 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: on individuals, and it's not going to end. And that's 419 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: why for me, if this is the last book I write, 420 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: if it's the last thing I can draw from my 421 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: experience knowing what's happening, it's to get people to be 422 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: prepared for this doubling down again. It will never end. 423 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: But they have control over the rhetoric and over media, 424 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: but it's personal. The reliance is on how each of 425 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 2: us as individuals respond to the idea of being called 426 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 2: a bigot. What I tell people is also like if 427 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: you're called a racist, some people think, well, how can 428 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: I prove I'm not? But imagine reacting as if you 429 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: would if somebody called you a cocker spaniel, right, You 430 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't look at your brear end looking for the tail, 431 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: would you know? You wouldn't because you know you're not 432 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 2: a cocker spaniel. So that's a juxtaposition about how we 433 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 2: know ourselves. So when somebody says you're transphobe, you're as 434 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: you hate the women and you know it's not true. 435 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: You're also not a cocker spaniel. Our reaction internally is 436 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 2: the key. I have packs at the end of this book, 437 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 2: packs with ourselves that you don't need to do something 438 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: big and public because there is danger out there. You 439 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 2: couldn't get fired, get kicked out of school. So you 440 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: pick and choose your battles. But the first battle, the 441 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 2: left relies on you personally standing in the kitchen thinking 442 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: maybe they do have the high ground. Maybe we should 443 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: just think about economics, because then you begin to wonder. 444 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: And that's what domestic violence does. A batterer strikes constantly 445 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 2: with the same message, to destroy your self esteem, to 446 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 2: gaslight you, like the Ingrid Bergman movie in the forties, 447 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: which is where that term comes from, where her husband 448 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 2: started changing like he would make the gas lights go 449 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 2: on and off a bit in the house and would 450 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: cause noise in a secret compartment behind the walls to 451 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: make her think she was losing her mind, and the 452 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: reality was it wasn't real. And he wanted, of course 453 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: her to assign all their money over to him as usual. 454 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: Of course, even though it was Ingrid Bergmann, that should 455 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: have been enough for him, but it wasn't. You're standing there. 456 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: If you hear it enough, you begin to think, wait, 457 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 2: maybe maybe it's true, and not because you're weak, but 458 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 2: because it's the human condition. And that's the technique. Constant 459 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 2: berating everywhere you look is people telling you you're not 460 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 2: good enough. You are a bigot. If you don't want 461 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: men and women's sports, you're a transphobe. You're going to 462 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: not like Kamala Harris. Ooh, there's also Manysm's there. It's 463 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 2: about deciding to not allow strangers to control what you 464 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 2: think of yourself. Re embrace especially your values. You're a 465 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: Christian and you're white. Oh my goodness, you know it's hopeless. 466 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 2: You reject it as much as you would reject if 467 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: your parent going to a school board meeting and you 468 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 2: get on the terrorist list. Think that you've just been 469 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 2: put on the cocker spaniel list. You don't have to 470 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: wonder if they're correct. So that's the first pack. And again, 471 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 2: things you can do privately. It's like one of my 472 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: favorite things with the budlight boycott that was not organized 473 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: using the transgender person to sell the bud light. It 474 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: wasn't organized, but people made a personal decisions to not 475 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: buy that product, even something as simple as that. Reinforcing 476 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: your values, acting on your values and not letting strangers 477 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: who are malignant to control what you think of yourself, 478 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: your values in your life. Enough is enough with that? 479 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: You now write for AMAC group I've talked with for 480 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: many years, the Association of Mature American Citizens. How did 481 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: you come to work with them? 482 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I learned about them, as many Americans did, 483 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 2: during Obama's push for Obamacare, and the AARP was like 484 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: on board, and it was like, this is going to 485 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: just expand the gap between the rich and the poor 486 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: when it comes to healthcare. It's nuts. But of course 487 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: now we've learned that, you know, they supply you know, 488 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: additional insurances to go along with Obamacare. And but there 489 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 2: also seemed to be a center left, if not leftist organization, 490 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: and suddenly AMAC was there and it was the conservative 491 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: alternative and they were very vocal about the dangers that 492 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: Obamacare presented for seniors. It was a reality based examination 493 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: of the nature of what was happening that you didn't 494 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: get with the AARP. And they are presented as like, 495 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: you know, nonpartisan or whatever. Well, just like the American 496 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: Medical Association with Obamacare, I mean, the people that just 497 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: fell into that disaster. It was amazing to me at 498 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: any rate. It was amazing to see and this is 499 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: what I like as an organizer, you know, a smaller 500 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 2: entity people again, I think, you know, coming together and 501 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: working together other it's the appeal of unions until they 502 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: were co opted, but that it's important. It works when 503 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: you can come together and you can make a difference. 504 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: So I learned about them then and was of course 505 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: doing work on Fox and was always admired them. And 506 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: I've always had a column and I felt that, you know, 507 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: we're at a point perhaps I'm also moving into the age, 508 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: not that it will ever retire, because you know, we 509 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: don't want to. A lot of people can't retire, even 510 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: though they do want to. But there's an importance in 511 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 2: our generations because of what we've seen, what we've understood, 512 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: has already happened. That is invaluable. But also, and I 513 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: think now they're presenting themselves as it's not just for 514 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 2: seniors or people who are retiring. This is about the 515 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: American movement of a desire to have real information, honest conversations, 516 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: and an economy that helps everyone. And of course that 517 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: is a problem for the left because they need victimhood 518 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: and the more successful we are the fewer people are 519 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: attracted to left wing politics because they get a taste 520 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 2: of freedom, and every living creature wants to be free. 521 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: So for amac, for me, the people behind it, their founder, 522 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: it's a family dynamic speaking about values again as well, 523 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: and you know their openness to have me be one 524 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: of their columnists. I'm a spiritual person. I have issues 525 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 2: with organized religion. I believe in God. I believe Jesus 526 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: is the guy, but I think what human beings tend 527 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: to get their hands on, they tend to ruin. So 528 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 2: I'm always very appreciative of people of faith, the nature 529 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: of a genuine openness and the importance of faith and 530 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 2: a love of this country and of the American people. 531 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: And they seem to embody that. So I'm very happy 532 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: to be there. 533 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: I have to tell you that you are not just 534 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air, but you're a national treasure 535 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: because you bring such clarity and such depth of understanding. 536 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for joining me. Your new book, 537 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: Fear Itself, Exposing the Left's mind Killing a Gen is 538 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: available now on Amazon and in bookstores everywhere, and I 539 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: want to let our listeners know they can find out 540 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: more about your podcast, the columns you write for AMAC 541 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: and other things you're involved in by visiting your website 542 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: at Tammy Bruce dot com. 543 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: Excellent. Well, I'm honored, sir. Thank you. You've made a 544 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 2: huge difference in my life, everyone's life, and I can't 545 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: thank you enough. 546 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Tammy Bruce. 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