1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 3: Welcome back in to the Herd. I'm Danny Parkins in 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 3: for Colin. This is another surreal one for me because 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: when I was doing radio in Kansas City, I had 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 3: to also kind of cover, you know, the chiefs to 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: get us sound for the radio show. And I was 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: looking around and I was like, I don't know any 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 3: of these guys. One of these guys went to Syracuse. 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: That was the only football team I had ever covered before. 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: And I was looking at the list and I was like, 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: Jeff Schwartz, I'll go up to the Jewish offensive lineman 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: and we'll become friends. So Jeff Schwartz, Fox Sports analyst, 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 3: former linemen, host of Fare Bets with Chris Phlika, is 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: with us on the Herd. 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 4: We've come very far, Jeff, from Kansas City. 22 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 5: We certainly have. Yeah, I mean I came. I think 23 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 5: your show once a week against the best wishes of 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 5: the people in charge. For some reason, you didn't like it. 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 3: I don't. 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 5: I think it was a rival, a rival with things right. 27 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 5: You guys were the station that didn't cover the chiefs. 28 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 3: I think that the show, it doesn't matter, but they 29 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: really didn't like that you and I. 30 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 5: Liked each other. It was very odd. But I'm glad 31 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 5: to be with you now. 32 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: Yes, and we're glad to have you for four years 33 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: in a row. I have picked the Pittsburgh Steelers to 34 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: have their first losing season under Mike Tomlin, and I 35 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: have just every year I'm like, they can't keep getting 36 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: away with this, and then they do, and then this offseason, 37 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 3: I actually think the moves on the chessboard made sense, 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 3: and I like what they did, especially the John H. 39 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: Smith ad for what they need with Aaron Rodgers. So 40 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: I'll probably be wrong again, But do you buy into 41 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: what the Steelers have done heading into this year? 42 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 6: Yeah? 43 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 5: I mean, look in the short term. Yes, I've also 44 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 5: been with you on losing money on Pittsburgh's under every 45 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 5: I did twice last year, took two wages. It didn't matter. Look, 46 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 5: I think that in the short term, this is the 47 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 5: best they could have done. But my thought process like 48 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 5: if the short term to worry about the long term, right, 49 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 5: the long term is this team will look vastly different 50 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 5: next season without Rogers their quarterback, right, and they get 51 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 5: older on defense with all their superstars. So in this year, 52 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 5: this is probably the best they could have done. Could 53 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 5: they have drafted Sanders at twenty one? Sure, but they 54 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 5: got Aaron Rodgers, right, who I think we all agree 55 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 5: right now better than Sanders. They went and got some 56 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 5: weapons on defense, they got some guys on offense, Like, yeah, 57 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 5: they did the best they could, but is it good 58 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 5: enough in this division to really do much damage? At ar? 59 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 5: Know right, Division winners every year tend to be the 60 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 5: best quarterback in the division. The best quarterback in the 61 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 5: division is not Aaron Rodgers, it's Lamar Or it's Joe Burrow. 62 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 5: Joe Burrow has the defensive issue, so it's probably the Ravens. 63 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 5: So what becomes of this Pittsburgh team? Do they win 64 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 5: ten games again and lose in the first round of 65 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 5: the postseason. I don't know what the end goal is 66 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 5: for this year, just to be camp in it, just 67 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 5: to make the playoffs against just be over five hundred. 68 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 5: So again, they did what they had to do to 69 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 5: put together a team this season, but long term this 70 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 5: does nothing for them. 71 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: I agree with that. I just think they don't have 72 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: it in them to tank and rebuild. And yeah, they'll 73 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 3: win ten games, losing the wild card round to the 74 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: playoffs and then be in the exact same spot they 75 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: were in before. But they will be very interesting and 76 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: as you mentioned in the AFC, you got to be 77 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: more than interesting. I've seen you on social media talking 78 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: about Josh Simmons with the Chiefs. The explosiveness has left 79 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: that offense the last couple of years, which is bizarre 80 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: for a team that you know, won fifteen games and 81 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: two years ago wins the Super Bowl. Simmons at left tackle, 82 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: Worthy Rice Hollywood Brown healthy and playing together. What do 83 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: you expect from the Chiefs offense this season? 84 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 5: I know people have Chiefs fatigue, and you're gonna have 85 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 5: it for one more season, guys, because more than about 86 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 5: last year, right, think about last year. So he entered 87 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 5: the season very clearly Race she Rice was going to 88 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 5: be the number one option on offense, and he was. 89 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 5: He had nearly thirty catches in three weeks, he gets hurt. 90 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 5: Now you're left with Hollywood Brown already hurt to hurt 91 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 5: the preseason Raere she Rice hurt, and Travis Kelcey. You 92 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 5: did not want to rely on to be your offense, right. 93 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 5: You wanted these other wide receivers to help you out. 94 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 5: So it turned into basically being a Travis Kelcey led 95 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 5: offense and then a bunch of guys sort of around him. 96 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 5: Now Worthy got better throughout the season, but it's hard 97 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 5: to rely on a rookie in this offense. We've seen 98 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 5: so many examples of first year wide receivers, not even 99 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 5: just rookies. But Juju mentioned this specifically. We played with 100 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 5: him the first time. He said, it took me twelve 101 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 5: weeks to figure out where I need to be in 102 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 5: the offense. Look at ray she Rice's first season. When 103 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 5: did it click About twelve weeks and into the playoffs, 104 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 5: So there was really no one there to help with 105 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 5: the passing game until the end of the season when 106 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 5: Brown came back. But by then again he never really 107 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 5: played with Patrick Mahomes entered this season where she Rice 108 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 5: healthy to go. Now he will be suspended, I would 109 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 5: imagine at some point, But Brown, healthy, ready to go 110 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 5: worthy year two, Travis Kelsey looks like he lost twenty pounds. 111 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 5: He looks great right now. I think last year, we 112 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 5: can admit, maybe came in a little bit overweight and 113 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 5: a little bitut of shape. This year not the case. 114 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 5: He looks fantastic this season. Right and you add in Royals, 115 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 5: you had the offensive line. Yet they lose Joe Tooney. 116 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 5: That's going to be a loss for them. They're figuring 117 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 5: out left guard right now. But Simmons looks like a 118 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 5: steel already. He looks great right now. Left tackle. He 119 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 5: was going to be off of the tackle one before 120 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 5: he got hurt. The question I have is why did 121 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 5: no one else know he was going to be able 122 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 5: to play so soon? The thought was, you draft Simmons 123 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 5: and he has to sit for a little bit. He's 124 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 5: the day one starter at tackle. You added obviously more 125 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 5: to play somewhere, left guard maybe or a right tackle. 126 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 5: So Danny, this feels like an offense it's just going 127 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 5: to return to what it's been now. It's never going 128 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 5: to be the Tyrek Hill offense. It's never going to 129 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 5: happen again that I was a special player, a special offense. 130 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 5: But does feel like they're going to return to passing 131 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 5: the ball down the field little bit because they have 132 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 5: healthy wide receivers. 133 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 134 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: in neon Eastern not am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 135 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 136 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: I'm with You justin. Herbert is in that division, was 137 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Bo Nicks in the division in the playoffs, 138 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: Raiders upgrade at coach and quarterbacks certainly got better. 139 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 4: We'll see what happens. 140 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: But on Herbert specifically, people say he's all hype, he's 141 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: all hypothetically, he's all eye tests. What do you make 142 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: of what he's done and where he's going? 143 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 5: I think like twenty seven teams that would like to 144 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 5: have that eye test in their buildings. Yeah. Sure, so 145 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 5: he looks to go throwing the football. Wow, look, Look, 146 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 5: of course, you get to a certain point of your career, 147 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 5: and he was there very quickly where the talent and 148 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 5: skills were very obvious, right from his first start, which 149 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 5: was odd enough to gets the Chiefs right, remember the 150 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 5: punctured long and he played against Kansas City in Week 151 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 5: two that year and incredible, immediately good. So when you 152 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 5: immediately become good. We started judging you on other things, 153 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 5: right back wins, which isn't really a stat per se, 154 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 5: but we judge you on that, and then we judge 155 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 5: you on like big moments in games, Right, do you 156 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 5: make those plays on third down? Do you make those plays? 157 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 5: And you know in two minutes, Jo, do you make 158 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 5: those plays? Now in the postseason? And Herbert's at the 159 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 5: point now where he's only going to be judging his 160 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 5: career on postseason success. That's all it is. We know 161 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 5: we can play, it's all in front of him. We 162 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 5: know that. So now it's a matter of postseason success, 163 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 5: and he hasn't had that yet. I think that's why 164 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 5: people are down on him when you say, like, oh, 165 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 5: he's so talented, he looks the part. Why is there 166 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 5: not the playoff success? It's always the next question. So 167 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 5: he's that's where he's out in his career. He's evolved 168 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 5: now is one of the better quarterbacks in the league, 169 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 5: so it only matters what he does in the postseason. 170 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 5: How many quarterbacks do we look at that way? Right, Mahomes, 171 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 5: Alan Jackson, Burrow, Jalen Hurts, probably now Stafford, maybe we 172 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 5: look at the otherwise, No one else. So Herbert's up 173 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 5: in that class now where he can do everything he 174 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 5: needs to do in the field, now do it in 175 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 5: the postseason. 176 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 3: So you've played on a bunch of different teams, You've 177 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: seen a lot of different young quarterbacks. The reports are 178 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams struggling very early with. 179 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 4: The install of Ben Johnson's offense. 180 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: But then you talk to people there and they're like, 181 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: we want him to be drinking out of a fire hose. 182 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: We want to overload him early. 183 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: We'll see what he can handle, then we'll scale it 184 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: back as it goes. In terms of realistic expectations of 185 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: this type of offense, that type of talent and all 186 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: of the newness, what would you say is reasonable to 187 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: expect from Caleb and the offense this year? 188 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 5: So what you want to see when you have a 189 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 5: new coaching quarterback and I mentioned the Chiefs wide receivers 190 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 5: with Mahomes, it does take like eight to ten weeks 191 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 5: for a new offense to get going. Just does right 192 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 5: like you need to see. So you mentioned they throw 193 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 5: the whole playbook at him. They're going to do that 194 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 5: because they want to need to see what works for 195 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 5: Caleb Williams. He might Ben Johnson might have a thought, Okay, 196 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 5: these are the plays that I think will work for 197 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 5: Caleb Williams. You get into practice and preseason games don't work, 198 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 5: so they have to change and run different plays that 199 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 5: work for him. You also have to play this thing 200 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 5: against that defense, and it takes time to figure all 201 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 5: those things out. That's why it takes sometimes a ten 202 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 5: to twelve. Give you another example of how that works 203 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 5: on like the Eagles defense last season, right, it took 204 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 5: half a season to figure out what works, what calls 205 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 5: do we do, where do guys go, who needs to play? 206 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 5: What's the rotation? It just takes time, so you have 207 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 5: to have some patience here. The thing I will say, though, 208 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 5: is that the only reports that worry me is like 209 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 5: with a quarterback, like what, I think he's going to 210 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 5: be good, and I'll move off of that opinion if 211 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 5: I need to at some point based on some more evidence. 212 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 5: It does worry me, Danny, that we just haven't seen 213 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 5: at least reports right of like wow, like there's some 214 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 5: like you typically know with young guys, there's some woudness 215 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 5: in practice, and that the only part that worries me. 216 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 5: We haven't seen much of like wow, this This was 217 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 5: really great. It's also mostly been negative, which isn't great. 218 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 5: But I I understand how they're trying to build him 219 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 5: up in this offense. 220 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 3: I'm going to ignore her the last fifteen seconds for 221 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: that answer as a parents mad for Scar because I 222 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: saw some wow in games last year. So give me 223 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: another couple of weeks before I get a little worried 224 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 3: that there's not enough wow moments in practice. We have 225 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame game this week, so that means 226 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 3: preseason is starting. I know it was practice, and I 227 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 3: know the Cowboys got lucky that Tyler Geiton did not 228 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: tear his acl as initially feared. But I am very 229 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: risk averse when it comes to playing guys in preseason, 230 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: and I know injuries can happen in practice. 231 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 4: I understand that, and I know injuries are inevitable. 232 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: Where do you come out on playing guys who matter 233 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: in meaningless football games. 234 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 5: I'm on the side of playing them a little bit. 235 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 5: I saw it in my career, and I also just 236 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 5: go off of what we see the better coaches do. 237 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 5: Now to be fair that this is most of the 238 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 5: older guys that are the better coaches right there, young 239 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 5: that don't play their guys. But Andy Riidman plays the 240 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 5: starters every year, like there's a value in that. The 241 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 5: Chiefs start hot every year. When I was in Kansas City, 242 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 5: we had a tough training camp. We played our starters, 243 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 5: and we came out in Week one and kicked and 244 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 5: kicked butt like we were ready to go. There's always 245 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 5: risk in football. Injuries happen all the time. It's interesting 246 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 5: that the Bengals, for example, have talked about playing starters 247 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 5: this year because they start slow every year. Like you 248 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 5: do you need some of those reps, at least I 249 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 5: believe you do. Do you need to play half like 250 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 5: we used to play no? But also to mentally when 251 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 5: when you are playing in a preseason game, you treat 252 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 5: that week of practice or a couple of days for 253 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 5: the most part, like it's a game. So you mentally 254 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 5: prepare like you would for week one or week two 255 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 5: or week three. You start going through your checklist of 256 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 5: how do I get ready on Saturday nights? You know, 257 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 5: how do I warm up? How do I feel in paths? 258 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 5: Like all the little things you do, what's my pregame? 259 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 5: Routevough you mostly know what it is right, but you 260 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 5: get to rehearse that, so when you get to week one, 261 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 5: it's like you haven't done it in eight nine months. 262 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 5: And I get it's a physical sport. Things happen, but 263 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 5: you would also think, like, would it be odd if 264 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 5: a baseball player didn't take any live batting practice before 265 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 5: they or live at bats before they played a baseball game? Right, 266 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 5: Like you think that was a different kind of weird. Yeah, 267 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just saying, like two drives. I think 268 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 5: two drives the first game, one drive the first game 269 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 5: to the second game, and just something. And the injury thing, 270 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 5: like it's very rare. We think it happens all the 271 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 5: time when ones are playing ones. It doesn't happen. They 272 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 5: know how to play to not get hurt, if that 273 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 5: makes sense. So I'm a fan of playing some of 274 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 5: the preseason. I get why teams don't, but it seems 275 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 5: to work out for some of the better coaches in 276 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 5: the NFL. 277 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: All right, So you host bear Bets with Chris Filika, 278 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: I've been a guest. I don't want you to keep 279 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 3: mentioning that I was sixty five percent against the spread 280 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 3: in the NFL last year. 281 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 4: Stop bringing it up. Stop, But I want to get 282 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 4: you out of here with a bet. 283 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, anything on the board, a super Bowl, pick a crop, 284 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: I don't care, give me. 285 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 5: Give me oh NFL Okay. 286 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: Give me an NFL bet for this season, yes, sir, so. 287 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 5: I think my my favorite one right now is the 288 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 5: Giants under five and a half wins. It's a little juice. 289 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 7: Now. 290 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 5: The problem is this with the Giants. Actually think they're 291 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 5: a better team this year than last season. Like they're 292 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 5: they're better quarterback, their healthy offensive line neighbors is good. 293 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 5: Like defensively they were good last year, added added abdul Carter. 294 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 5: But their schedule, Danny, is so hard, Like that's that's 295 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 5: the problem. Look at their schedule. 296 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. 297 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 5: I'll tell my head. It's like it's like Commanders, Cowboys, 298 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 5: two AFC West teams at New Orleans and then it's 299 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 5: like Eagles, Broncos, Niners, Lions, Bears. It's just horrific schedule. 300 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 5: And so that that's my concer. I actually think they're 301 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 5: better this year, but their schedule is very difficult. So 302 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 5: I have Giants under five and a. 303 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: Half wins, Yeah, at Washington, at Dallas, Kansas City and 304 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: the Chargers of the first four. That feels like zero 305 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: and four out of the shoot. Listen sen to Jeff Schwartz, 306 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: watch him. You're a good man and thorough Thank you, Jeff, 307 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 3: Thank you, buddy, appreciate it all right, we'll talk soon. 308 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 3: That's Jeff Schwartz, terrific Fox. NFL analy's coming up next, 309 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: Drake May I own a lot of stock in this kid. 310 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: I think he's going to be an absolute star. Is 311 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 3: he ready to take that next leap? We head to 312 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: Boston next the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions 313 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,359 Speaker 3: of The Herd weekdays and neon Eastern not a Empacific. 314 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: Back in on the Herd. Danny parkins in for Colin. 315 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: I'll be back doing this again tomorrow. We've got an 316 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: NFL game on Thursday. We've made it to football season, 317 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 3: college football, right around the corner, trade deadline and baseball. 318 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: Any sort of slow time that people think it is 319 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: coming up in the past. Let's talk to a terrific 320 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: NFL reporter right now and head to Boston, where he's 321 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: covered with the NFL since two thousand and seven. Senior 322 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: NFL writer for the Boston Globe, Ben Volan joins us 323 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: on the Herd. 324 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: Ben, thank you very much for the time. 325 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: Very few teams in the NFL have undergone more change 326 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: than the Patriots from last year to this and Drake 327 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: May did not have much talent around them last year. 328 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: But I thought it quitted himself very well. I think 329 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: he looks like a future star. I own a lot 330 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: of stock in that kid. What are you expecting in 331 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: terms of a year one to year two growth for 332 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: Drake May with all these new people around him. 333 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 6: Well, you know, for any NFL player, I think it 334 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 6: goes without saying. You want to see that big jump 335 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 6: from year one to year two, and especially for the Patriots, 336 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 6: you want to see that from Drake May. Now that 337 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 6: you've got a much better and more, much more credible 338 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 6: team around him. You've got a real coaching staff, with 339 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 6: all due respect to last year's coaches now with Mike Rabel, 340 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 6: Josh McDaniels running the offense, a lot of experience on 341 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 6: this staff. Now. Stefan Diggs is the best receiver of 342 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 6: the Patriots have had in a long time, assuming he 343 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 6: can come back healthy and be close to what he was. 344 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 6: They've spent the most money in free agency, over one 345 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 6: hundred and eighty million fully guaranteed. They brought in like 346 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 6: ten new starters on both sides of the new offensive lineman, 347 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 6: new defense, new receivers, just everything new to upgrade the 348 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 6: situation around Drake May. So yeah, if they go four 349 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 6: and thirteen again, that's a terrible sign for May and 350 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 6: the franchise. I think they want to see a nice 351 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 6: jump here in year two, not only in Drake May's performance, 352 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 6: but in the team's one loss record. 353 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 3: Off season videos with Cardi b are one thing. How 354 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 3: does Stefan Diggs look, Well, you know. 355 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 7: Stefan Diggs. I got to say, it looks fantastic. 356 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 6: And yes, he got off to a bad start with 357 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 6: that video in Miami, not what your new coaching staff 358 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 6: wants to see when you're joining a new team. But 359 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 6: Stefan Diggs showed up to the offseason program towards the end, 360 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 6: and then I think most impressively passed his physical to 361 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 6: start training camp, putting him at full go just eight 362 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 6: months after having ACL surgery. So I think a real 363 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 6: testament to how hard despite the video, how hard Stefan 364 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 6: Diggs worked on his rehab in the offseason, how hard 365 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 6: he's been, you know, putting in time both away from 366 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 6: the Patriots and now with the team and. 367 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 7: He looked that's good. 368 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 6: You know, it's almost to the point where it almost 369 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 6: might not be fair to him because he's coming back 370 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 6: from an ACL. Receivers that first month is going to 371 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 6: be a little slow, but he looks really good. His 372 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 6: teammate Kendrick Bourne said he jokes with Stephan Diggs says 373 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 6: he's going to have an Adrian Peterson type season. You 374 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 6: remember Adrian Peterson rushed for two thousand yards coming off 375 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 6: of his torn ACL. So again, maybe the expectations not 376 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 6: quite fair for Stephan Diggs, but physically he looks. 377 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 7: Great so far. 378 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: The Patriots maybe had the worst offensive line in football 379 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 3: last year in terms of talent and production. They used 380 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: this top five pick on Will Campbell. I've seen some 381 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: conflicting reports on how he's looked so far. What do 382 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: you think about how he's making the transition. 383 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 7: Well, yesterday it. 384 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 6: Was the first day in pads and he got tossed 385 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 6: around a little bit by veteran Keon White, and that 386 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 6: is a concern with Will Campbell. Keyon White is a big, lanky, 387 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 6: physical defensive end and Will Campbell, you know, we heard 388 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 6: it all throughout the pre draft process, the short arms 389 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 6: the narrow shoulders. Is he going to be able to 390 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 6: handle the defensive ends who have the long reach here 391 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 6: in the NFL? So day one not so great, also 392 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 6: a little surprising. I want to cut him some slack, 393 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 6: but the heat here in Foxborough has been very hot 394 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 6: this week and the heat definitely got on top of 395 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 6: Will Campbell the last couple of days, where you think 396 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 6: maybe a guy from LSU is maybe used to it, 397 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 6: but it's been very hot here and Will Campbell the 398 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 6: heat has definitely gotten to him. But it's early, It's 399 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 6: only two days in pads. He did have a much 400 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 6: better day today. But you know, the real question is 401 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 6: going to be the arm length thing. And I think 402 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 6: it's a real concern. It's one thing for him to 403 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 6: block guys in training camp and the preseason, but what 404 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 6: happens when he's got to go against Miles Garrett and TJ. 405 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 6: Watt and some of these you know, elite pass rushers 406 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 6: that the Patriots are probably going to face this year. 407 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 6: So we're not going to have the answers to that 408 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 6: question until Will Campbell steps on the field and does it. 409 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 7: You know, so far, kind of an up and down performance, 410 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 7: but it is still early. For will Camp. 411 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's early for everybody, and you know, we may 412 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: be should have talked about the addition of head coach 413 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: Mike Rabel at the start, because it's it's a homecoming. 414 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 3: It's in theory, a floor raising thing, it's discipline, it's competence. 415 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 4: How what is a Mike Rabel training camp like so far? 416 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 6: Well, I don't know how much credit he deserves versus 417 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 6: just the circumstances. But one thing that stands out compared 418 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 6: to last year is there is no drama. Last year, 419 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 6: Girod Mayo trying to build a program, had to deal 420 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 6: with Matthew Judon upset about his contract. They got a 421 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 6: big fight at practice, they had to throw judea On out. 422 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 6: He comes back to screen more at the coach. Just 423 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 6: a lot of drama. They eventually traded into Atlanta and 424 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 6: moved on. But Mike Rabel has had nothing of the 425 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 6: sort to deal with. Everyone is under contract, everyone is happy. 426 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 6: Everyone generally knows their role or knows what they're competing for. 427 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 6: And it's been very calm and business like and professional, 428 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 6: and that I think also speaks to the larger point 429 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 6: of why Mike Rabel was brought in. Just for credibility. 430 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 6: You know, Jerrod Mayo, with all thee respect was learning 431 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 6: on the fly, and that coach staff they gave him 432 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 6: last year, no one had any experience. The play callers 433 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 6: on both sides. We're doing it all for the first time. 434 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 5: Now. 435 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 6: It's Mike Rabel's been a head coach for six years. 436 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 6: He's one coach of the year. Josh McDaniels has been 437 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 6: a coordinator for fifteen years. All the defensive coaches are Vrabels, 438 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 6: guys from Tennessee. These are guys who have a plan, 439 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 6: they know what they want to do, and it's just 440 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 6: a very professional sort of training camp so far, with 441 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 6: no drama and no real hiccups yet. 442 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 3: For Mike Rabel, how is Mike Rabel similar and how 443 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: is he different from Bill Belichick? 444 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 7: Great question. 445 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 6: Well, I think the fact that he's younger and a 446 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 6: former player just gives him boatloads of credibility with the players. 447 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 6: Like Jabrill Pepper is the safety was joking made a 448 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 6: joke to Mike Rabel, and Rabel's response was, Yeah, why 449 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 6: don't you go check out the Patriots. 450 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 7: Hall of Fame and then get back to you. 451 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 6: So it's like that was a great guy's got these 452 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 6: Super Bowl rings and he's in the Team Hall of Fame. 453 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 6: It's just gives him so much more credibility, which you know, 454 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 6: Belichick a genius. He can never you know, manufacture that 455 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 6: he was never a player the way Vrabel was. And Vrabel, 456 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 6: I mean he is the most active head coach I've 457 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 6: ever seen in practice. He puts on the scout team Penny, 458 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 6: he's playing free safety on the scout team defense, and 459 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 6: he's getting up in drills. He's coaching guys one on one. 460 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 6: He's wearing the blocking pad. Like Mike Rabel's forty nine, 461 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 6: almost fifty years old. Don't tell him that he still 462 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 6: thinks he's playing in the NFL. That he's so active. 463 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 6: I do see similarities as well. He's a very smart coach. 464 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 6: This is the guy that he stole a win over 465 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 6: Miami a couple of years ago, smartly going for two 466 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 6: you know, late, the analytics, following the analytics, that sort 467 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 6: of thing. 468 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 7: But then also the way he coaches. 469 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 6: And this is obvious because Rabel spent twelve years playing 470 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 6: for Belichick, so he's gonna take a lot of Belichick's tactics. 471 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 7: But the one thing you see from vrabel Is. 472 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 6: He's constantly quizzing guys and peppering them with questions and 473 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 6: keeping them on their toes, whether it's you know, what 474 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 6: did we talk about in the meeting yesterday? Or what 475 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 6: do you do in this situation on third and six 476 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 6: versus last time the Patriots won a division title. He's 477 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 6: just he's always quizzing guys and keeping them on their toes, 478 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 6: And that was like a staple of Bill Belichick's coaching style, 479 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 6: and it creates accountability as well, because you don't want 480 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 6: to be the one guy who kind of lets down 481 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 6: the position group or shows that you're not prepared. So 482 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 6: I I, you know, there are all kinds of similarities, 483 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 6: but you know, things that we're able to learn from Belichick. 484 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 6: But he's also being a younger guy and a former 485 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 6: player definitely his own man as coach. 486 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 4: So it's years now. 487 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 3: Since the Bill Belichick Robert Craft professional divorce, but they. 488 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 4: Just can't quit each other. 489 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: Like sometimes it's like, Oh, you're doing something kind of 490 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 3: interesting and taking a shot together at the Netflix roast, 491 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 3: and then it's like, oh, that's kind of weird. You're 492 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 3: taking shots at each other because Robert Kraft wants to 493 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: get into the Hall of Fame, and he's like, I 494 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 3: took a huge risk on Bill Belichick. And then Bill 495 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: Belichick's at North Carolina issuing statements being like, I actually 496 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 3: took a big risk on you because you got like, 497 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: what do you make of it? Like, what content is 498 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 3: relevant here as to why we are still dealing with 499 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 3: the fallout of the professional separation between Robert Kraft and 500 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: Bill Belichick. 501 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 6: Well, I think it just shows how bad the relationship 502 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 6: is between the two and it's only gotten worse since 503 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 6: Kraft fired Belichick a year and a half ago. So 504 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 6: I think you know it all, it's all there for 505 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 6: us to see just how poorly the how poor the 506 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 6: relationship is right now and that shot of alcohol they 507 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 6: took it the Netflix for us that you mentioned, I mean, 508 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 6: if you watch Belichick, you wanted nothing to do with 509 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 6: It's that craft kind to put them on the spot. 510 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 6: Belichick wanted nothing to do with that. For me personally, 511 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 6: being in the media, I love it. It's great material, 512 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 6: gives us something to talk about. But I think for 513 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 6: the fans, you know, the word divorce, as you said, 514 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 6: I think that's right. It's like watching your parents divorce 515 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 6: and it's like, can't we just stop the fighting, because 516 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 6: it just the more they fight, it just seems like 517 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 6: it detracts from everything they accomplished here over two decades, 518 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 6: and it really just it looks like, you know, Brady 519 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 6: was so much of the engine of this thing, and 520 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 6: these two are just like fighting for scratch apps of credit, 521 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 6: and it's like, you know, you know, I and a 522 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 6: lot of other people I think were on Team Bill 523 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 6: last year when that Apple documentary The Dynasty came out, 524 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 6: it was just the Crafts just like bashing Belichick needlessly 525 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 6: like that was that was a bad look for the Crafts, 526 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 6: and I think Belichick got a lot of sympathy out 527 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 6: of that. 528 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 7: But then this little dust up, as you said, no, 529 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 7: you know, Belichick. 530 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 6: Having this lengthy response about some innocuous quote that Kraft made. 531 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 6: It's like, well, now Belichick doesn't look great either. And 532 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 6: I think that's the point. The more these guys fight, 533 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 6: it doesn't look good for anyone. You know, you fight 534 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 6: with a skunk and everyone comes out smelling pretty badly. 535 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 4: So I love it. 536 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 6: It's great material, but I think for the fans and 537 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 6: for their legacy, I think it would behoove them all 538 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 6: to just kind of knock it off and just kind 539 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 6: of go their separate ways and let it be for 540 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 6: a while. 541 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 3: How will you define success for Bill Belichick at North Carolina? 542 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 6: You know, if you can win a few more games 543 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 6: than just what the schedule lays out for them. You know, 544 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 6: this first year it's going to be tough. They have 545 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 6: I think seventy new players on that roster and it's 546 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 6: still UNC football. 547 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 7: I don't know what kind of recruiting they were able 548 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 7: to do. 549 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 6: And you know, as the last few years in New 550 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 6: England proved with Belichick, he's not exactly. 551 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 7: A miracle worker. When they have talent. 552 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 6: He was great with the Patriots, and when they didn't 553 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 6: have talent, especially a quarterback, they were very mediocre and 554 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 6: then pretty bad at the end. So you know, I 555 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 6: for if you're Carolina, you just want a you want 556 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 6: Bill to sell out the stadium, you want to be 557 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 6: on national TV. I think that's a win in and 558 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 6: of itself for UNC, the fact that they've sold out 559 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 6: the season tickets already, they're gonna have a behind the 560 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 6: scenes documentary, They're going to be all over TV this fall. 561 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 6: So that's a win for the tar Heels and then 562 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 6: if you know to be impressed with the coaching job 563 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 6: by Belichick, you don't want to just see another seven 564 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 6: and five UNC season. You want to see ten and two, 565 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 6: winning a few games on the road, beating ranked teams 566 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 6: and showing some of that you know, Belichick magic that 567 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 6: he used to have with the Patriots. 568 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 3: Benvolan covers the NFL for the Boston Globe. Great stuff, man, 569 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: Thank you very much for the time. 570 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 4: We appreciate you. 571 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 7: Awesome, Thanks, Dadie, thank you. 572 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 3: And Patriots are a fascinating team. But really, Drake May, 573 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: I mean that quarterback class from last year, it's remarkable. 574 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels has the best rookie season any of us 575 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 3: have ever seen. When you combine the statistical performance, what 576 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 3: they asked of him to do, and then you know 577 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 3: the wins. Caleb Williams was the number one pick. The 578 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 3: Bears didn't even consider drafting anyone else. Drake May had 579 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 3: the least help. I mean, he had no coach, no 580 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: offensive line, and no pass catchers. And as the year 581 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 3: went on, it was just like, oh my god, Drake 582 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: May's making plays. The stats weren't insane, but just again, 583 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: if you watch the games, it was very clear he 584 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 3: belonged Justin Herbert by the way, little I test little 585 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: similarities between Drake May and my guy Justin Herbert. Then 586 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: Pennix only three games looked good. Bo Nick's twenty nine 587 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: touchdowns second most ever for a rookie in the playoffs. 588 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: His first games he was terrible. And then JJ McCarthy 589 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 3: is just sitting over there with a national championship with 590 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: an elite offensive head coach in Kevin O'Connell, and he 591 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: gets to come in to a team that won fourteen 592 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 3: games last year with one of the five best wide 593 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 3: receiver duos in the NFL. There's a real chance that 594 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 3: we're going to look back at last year's quarterback class 595 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 3: and in two years' like, is this the best quarterback 596 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 3: class ever? 597 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 4: Is it going to be in that conversation like how 598 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 4: good can it be? 599 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 6: So? 600 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 3: And I think Drake May is at the focal point 601 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 3: there because they've made a ton of upgrades around him, 602 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 3: So all of those guys, and they've got joint practices, 603 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 3: by the way, the Patriots with the Vikings and the Commanders. 604 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 4: So we're gonna get Drake May v. 605 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: Jaden, Drake May VJJ McCarthy coming up this training camp, 606 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: fun day here. 607 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 4: On the Herd. 608 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: Thanks again to everybody for welcoming me and making it 609 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 3: so easy. Can't wait to get going on the new 610 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: expanded First Things First, which is coming up in just 611 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 3: a little bit. Before that, I'm back in for Colin tomorrow, 612 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 3: so you're not done with me yet. Danny Parkerson for 613 00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 3: Colin on the Herd.