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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Terry Story Podcast,

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Speaker 1: a special edition today. My name is Brad Rowlands, and

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by a special guest who is not unfamiliar

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Speaker 1: to our audience. Gorova Dak is here. Hello, sir, how

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing a little Brad doing a lot better than you.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't up till one watching that Hawks. Man.

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Speaker 1: It's been an interesting week for the Atlanta Hawks, which

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Speaker 1: is a different podcast. So if you want to listen

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Speaker 1: to that thought Hawks, is this place to go. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think we've been circling this for a little while.

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Speaker 1: I you know, we always love when when you're come on.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to overbear I don't want to overburden you.

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Speaker 1: We can have you on every day, it would be great.

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Speaker 1: But it was a good kind of tent pole because

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Speaker 1: the folks that Battery Power I technically don't work anymore,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, preseason, mid season.

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Speaker 1: There you go, top thirty Braves prospect list and we

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Speaker 1: don't even excuse to talk about prospects, but it's a

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Speaker 1: good time to do that. And Number one, I want

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Speaker 1: to plug it first. So I have never worked on it,

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Speaker 1: but I know it takes a lot of work from

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Speaker 1: people that have worked on it, including yourself. So people

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Speaker 1: should be reading that battery power dot com. Best place

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Speaker 1: to find it is that correct, That is correct perfect.

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Speaker 1: So we won't give it all the way here. I

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Speaker 1: won't read the list to everybody, but number one read that.

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Speaker 1: Number two, how are you feeling broadly about the system?

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Speaker 1: Because I messaged you every once in a while to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going on with the system?

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Speaker 3: All these things? And you know you've got the.

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Speaker 1: Rash of national farm system rankings in the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks and the Braves are as not shockingly near

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Speaker 1: the bottom of most of them. And that I see that,

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Speaker 1: and then I see people who are really invested in

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Speaker 1: the Braves push back on it a little bit to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's not it is like, this is not a disastrous system.

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Speaker 1: It's not thirtieth in the league. Where do you fall

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Speaker 1: on that continue of like, how do you feel about

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Speaker 1: the future of the system basically because that matters for

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Speaker 1: on a story this season.

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Speaker 2: But done what, No, for sure, I think the overall

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Speaker 2: evaluation right now is pretty spot on. When when teams

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Speaker 2: and we're an executives say, you know, bottom of bottom

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Speaker 2: of the list twenty five through twenty seven, I think

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Speaker 2: that's more than fair, mainly because when you're looking at

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Speaker 2: the overall composition of each team outside of pitching, there's

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Speaker 2: not too much above rome and so that's why that's

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Speaker 2: why you just see those kinds of ratings. But in

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Speaker 2: terms of the overall growth that we've seen in the

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Speaker 2: system itself, you know, this year was one of our

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Speaker 2: hardest years over the past like four or five years,

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Speaker 2: because we're starting to see that small glit of talent

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Speaker 2: who used to be eighteen nineteen and they're now getting

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Speaker 2: a little older. They progress pretty well, people like Isaiah Drake,

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Speaker 2: people like Owen Kerry as well, take a good step forward.

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Speaker 2: Eric Hartman. We're seeing those players start to develop a

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Speaker 2: little more, and so you're seeing the rankings as of

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Speaker 2: right now aren't that great. But you know, by mid season,

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Speaker 2: if all these players that you know we're high on,

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Speaker 2: if they continue to progress. You know, potentially you're looking

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Speaker 2: at a top eighteen system, and then when you add

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Speaker 2: in you know, the top you know, top what ten

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Speaker 2: draft pick plus twenty six plus the rumors that the

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Speaker 2: Braves are going to be signing Sana from the international

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Speaker 2: signing period itself. That's a lot of tools. That's a

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Speaker 2: lot to get excited about. So, you know, we might

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Speaker 2: you might be looking more towards top twenty, and then

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Speaker 2: entering next year you could be, you know, potentially top

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Speaker 2: and then who knows from there. I really like the

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Speaker 2: talent that they've been doing lately, the acquisition of the

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Speaker 1: I wonder, and obviously you can't speak for anybody else's list,

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Speaker 1: but I wonder how much of it has to do

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Speaker 1: and there's not inherently it's nothing inherently wrong with that,

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Speaker 1: but it's also a little bit less projectable, like pictures

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Speaker 1: are just more vulntable. Is that is that part of

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Speaker 1: the reason why the Braves might be a little bit

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Totally? Yeah, no, totally. You have maybe I think it

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Speaker 2: was like ten out of the thirty or maybe eleven

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Speaker 2: the main issues is the lack of position player talent. Again,

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years, they've done a great job

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Speaker 2: of acquiring John Heal, for example, from the international free

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Speaker 2: there's still plenty of hope for Jose Perdomo so and

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Speaker 2: then of course Alex slow D's Connor Essenberg from last

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Speaker 2: season's draft. So we're starting to see the talent in

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Speaker 2: still pretty far below I mean, going into this year,

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Speaker 2: I would probably be. Yeah, I think it's probably fair

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Speaker 2: to say, similarly to last year, you're not gonna really

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Speaker 2: of Augusta in Rome still like Mississippi and Guinnette. It's

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Speaker 2: still gonna be kind of rough to watch. There's not

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Speaker 2: be mainly you know, those Quada players or players that

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Speaker 2: So it definitely hurts, but we are starting to see

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Speaker 2: that slowly, slowly start to go away as the Braves

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Speaker 2: continue to really target position players through more than just

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Diego Tor and I wanted to ask you

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Speaker 1: about him because he's an interesting player. He's I believe

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Speaker 1: the highest right hosition player prospect on your personal list

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Speaker 1: and also Battery Powers list collectively, which is by the way,

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Speaker 1: voted all it's not just your list. I should say,

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Speaker 1: that's that's called out in the article. But I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that you are like why did you do this? And

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that I think you have to be

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Speaker 1: paying attention pretty closely to know about. Yeah, a relatively

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Speaker 1: recentition to the system. He's also seventeen years old at

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Speaker 1: this moment, I believe outfield prospect. But for people that

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Speaker 1: on this. What should I know about Diego Torna's And

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Speaker 1: obviously beyond the fact that he's you just mentioned it

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Speaker 1: as nice high ceiling in the system. That's encouraging, But

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Speaker 3: But what's the kind of rundown on him? For people

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Speaker 2: Know for sure? I think it is important to hold

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Speaker 2: those expectations and check just a little bit. Coming into

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Speaker 2: how good his hit tool is, his projectable power, He's

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Speaker 2: got good speed, he's got a great arm, he's good

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Speaker 2: good defense, he makes good defensive reads. So by the

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Speaker 2: looks of it, he is a five a potential five

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Speaker 2: What I heard from out of out of the DSL

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Speaker 2: was that he is a player that is aware of

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Speaker 2: his talents and it doesn't necessarily it's not necessarily bad thing.

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Speaker 2: That's not a bad thing at all. Actually, I have

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Speaker 2: been like dying for a slightly not arrogant, but someone

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Speaker 2: good stuff, you know, someone like a Bryce Armor, right,

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Speaker 2: And it really seems like Diego is in that form.

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Speaker 2: By all accounts. Every single scout opposing scouts I've talked

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty much every single pitch he doesn't expand his zone.

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Speaker 2: His ev rates are are pretty crazy. He's cracking out

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Speaker 2: at seventeen, like you said, one hundred and eight hundred

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Speaker 2: is held up completely. He's looking good defensively right now,

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Speaker 2: he's checking all the boxes. Of course we are taking

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Speaker 2: we were seeing him against much smaller well, there are

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Speaker 2: come Stateside. How he kind of how he competes against

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Speaker 2: more of the complete arsenals. You know over in the

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Speaker 2: curveball sliders that things like that. So how he adapts

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Speaker 2: Is he still able to drive? Those are things that

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Speaker 2: we're still going to have to see. But by all accounts,

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Speaker 2: that's really those guys know a lot more than I do,

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Speaker 2: so I definitely trust them. Aj.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about the most recent draft

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Speaker 1: class and not to lip these guys in. We can

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Speaker 1: talk about them separately, but you know they were in

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Speaker 1: the news because they were drafted. They braves had I

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Speaker 1: think you know three or four guys that were drafted

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Speaker 1: relatively highly. And there's always the part about how you

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Speaker 1: use your bonus pool and all these things. But guys

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Speaker 1: like Tate Salpasine, Brigs McKenzie, I know Alex Lodiz got

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Speaker 1: got in might to spring training for example. Like what's

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Speaker 1: the status of those guys spend what six months, seven months,

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Speaker 1: eight months, that's the draft. Do you feel better or

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Speaker 1: worse about the draft class? After seeing those guys in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes total sense. I just you know, people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am too.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's one of those things where you

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Speaker 1: Cycle, like he's he's really kind of uniformly agreed upon

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Speaker 2: He would just attack the next better. So like, he's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where is he going to spend most of his

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Speaker 3: Where's he gonna be?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can be nearing Columbus by age twenty,

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Speaker 2: Normally I would say it's going to be a watch

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Speaker 2: this season. Let him build that stamina in his arms,

435
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: let him get the control down with his pitches. But

436
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: he showed his ability to do that already. He showed

437
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Speaker 2: his ability to throw his fastball in the upper third already.

438
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Speaker 2: So you know you're looking with Owen, you're looking at

439
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 2: someone who might be knocking on the door of a

440
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: major league a major league spot, and that brave rotation.

441
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Speaker 2: When you're talking about all those I mean looking at

442
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: last year, all all the arms that got injured, there's

443
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Speaker 2: serious potential, there's serious possibilities that we see all three

444
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Speaker 2: of them in the majors in twenty twenty six.

445
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Murphy, I mean, I know, he got drafted a

446
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: while ago. He's still only will be twenty two all season.

447
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 1: He was drafted very young. So a guy that's like

448
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Speaker 1: almost as that out of mind to people that are

449
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 1: not in this every day, Like I know the name,

450
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Speaker 1: I know the name very well, and you know he

451
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Speaker 1: was out for a year plus with Tommy and all

452
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 1: that stuff. It's like, hey, this guy's still really young

453
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: and really talented and the first front pick for a

454
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Speaker 1: reason when he was drafted. I do want to ask

455
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Speaker 1: you a general question. You can pick one or two

456
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Speaker 1: if you want to. I've seen you posted your own

457
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: personal list on Twitter. People can go find that. But

458
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Speaker 1: I want to also ask you, like who do you

459
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Speaker 1: find yourself being higher on than your colleagues? Like who

460
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: do you have like a guy or two that's like

461
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: your guy of a system. Maybe it's something we already

462
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: talked about, But do you have a favorite Maybe it's

463
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: a deeper, sleeper, whatever it is. You're a guy who's

464
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Speaker 1: like when you're in a group chat with Matt and

465
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Speaker 1: those guys, it's like, who do they make fun of

466
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Speaker 1: you about being too high on?

467
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Everybody has their guys. Who

468
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Speaker 3: your guys?

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this year is definitely Cody Miller. I just

470
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: he checks everything. He checks all the boxes. He did

471
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Speaker 2: extremely well against Power for Opposition in college despite being

472
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Speaker 2: at East Tennessee. He's got a really good ev data.

473
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Speaker 2: He doesn't expand that often. You know he's hitting the

474
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Speaker 2: balls to all part. He is not hitting the ball

475
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Speaker 2: on the ground that often. It's just so much to

476
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Speaker 2: like about him. I know I was the highest on

477
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Speaker 2: him going into this cycle. I believe I had him

478
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Speaker 2: at number twelve, that everyone else had him closer to

479
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Speaker 2: eighteen to two. And you know, it's gonna be a

480
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: big year from him. If if he ends up hitting

481
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Speaker 2: in double A Columbus, then you know everyone's gonna be

482
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Speaker 2: all over him. He's gonna be the guy that is

483
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: the king of advanced metrics in college because he kind

484
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Speaker 2: of showed off at East Tennessee State. So if he

485
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Speaker 2: you know, if he goes off in Columbus, everyone's gonna

486
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Speaker 2: be like, Okay, who is the next Cody Miller at

487
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: East Tennessee State that we can look into and develop

488
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: Because he does everything right. He can play short, but

489
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: because there's kind of a logjam, and because he's so athletic,

490
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: he can play multiple positions. They can put him in

491
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Speaker 2: the center field if they want to, they can put

492
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Speaker 2: him in second. And it's not because he doesn't have

493
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Speaker 2: a true place. It's because he's that talented and he's

494
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Speaker 2: got that kind of athleticism that they can put him

495
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Speaker 2: where they need to and he can eventually get to

496
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Speaker 2: at least average at the position, which is ridiculous to say.

497
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Speaker 2: So I would say out of everyone, I'm probably the

498
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Speaker 2: highest on Cody Miller. Had to pick another one, I

499
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Speaker 2: think it would probably be Jose Perdomo. And that's mainly

500
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Speaker 2: because I, you know, I've heard so many scouts say

501
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: so many positive things about him that I haven't watched him,

502
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: so I can't. I personally can't move him down without

503
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: you know, someone telling me that he isn't what he

504
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: what everyone said he is, and without being able to

505
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Speaker 2: watch it. Like okay. So even despite the struggles, despite

506
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Speaker 2: the injury concerns, the soft tissue injury concerns, which is

507
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Speaker 2: something you really don't want to see from someone that young,

508
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Speaker 2: I still have really high hopes for him because of

509
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Speaker 2: his overall skill set.

510
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Speaker 1: So as we're recording this on Super Bowl Sunday, pictures

511
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Speaker 1: and catchers report in a couple days, we're getting close, right, uh,

512
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Speaker 1: And I wanna we're into a little bit of major

513
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Speaker 1: we talk at the end, because you are more than

514
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Speaker 1: qualified to talk about that as well. But from the

515
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Speaker 1: minor league side, people are gonna be watching spring training games,

516
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: and obviously it's from a from a far or going

517
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Speaker 1: down there. Even potentially what is interesting to you that

518
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Speaker 1: you're watching for in spring training that prospects can either

519
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: show or maybe that you're worried about or something like

520
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: with a prospector too, like what's something that you can

521
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: actually maybe take stock of in spring training? Because I

522
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: always kind of roll my eyes about spring training to

523
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: be honest with you. Yeah, as far as the game

524
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: results for conservatives or anything that you're actually looking for,

525
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: it's like actionable.

526
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Speaker 2: It's definitely process of a results. I don't care how

527
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: John Hill if he goes over twenty in spring training.

528
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Speaker 2: I want to look at the quality of it. Beats,

529
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Speaker 2: is he chasing? Is he not chasing? Is he just

530
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Speaker 2: getting overwhelmed by a ninety nine mile an hour heat

531
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Speaker 2: If he is whatever, he's nineteen years old, right like,

532
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: he's going to continue to get those reps and then

533
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Speaker 2: get better. So I'm just looking at the process. I

534
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: want to see how they're acclimating to the talent around them,

535
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Speaker 2: because everyone is going to be around players that are

536
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Speaker 2: better than any player they've ever been around, and so

537
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Speaker 2: are they Are they calm and composed, Are they using

538
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: their resources? Are they trying to be sponges? You know

539
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: those pitchers that are there. You have the likes of

540
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Speaker 2: a Chris Sale right in your grasp. Are you talking

541
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Speaker 2: to him? Are you trying to soak up everything he's got? Like,

542
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: those are the really things I care about. What they do,

543
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: how they perform. I don't really care what they'll show me. H,

544
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Speaker 2: They'll show me what they can do over the course

545
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Speaker 2: of a full season. Spring training isn't gonna isn't gonna

546
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Speaker 2: tell me that at all. So it's really just the

547
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: process of how they're handling themselves, how they're handling the environment,

548
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: and what they're trying to do with their time with

549
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: the access to all these incredible talents.

550
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get the press release that says who the

551
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: invites are going to be non roster and you know

552
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: guys like low Dis and Heel are notable on those lists.

553
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: But it's also like, how long are they going to

554
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: be there? Probably not that long.

555
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: But it's a nice thing to see, But it's it's

556
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a stamp of an approval

557
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Speaker 1: from the organization to say, hey, we think we have

558
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Speaker 1: enough of you to bring you to camp.

559
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Speaker 3: That's more than what it is. But you're right.

560
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Speaker 1: It's if you're nineteen or even twenty one or twenty two,

561
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: like just soaking it up. You know, a new manager

562
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: in town. I don't know what w how Walt's gonna

563
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: approach screen training. All these things are uncertain at this stage,

564
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Speaker 1: but bracepoint throw it out there.

565
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

566
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Speaker 1: I have a bridge question to major league and it's

567
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Speaker 1: if I was to ask you who the most likely

568
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: prospect is to help the team, not just play, but

569
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Speaker 1: actually proactively help the Braves in twenty twenty six.

570
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: Who is that? I have an idea? Is it? Okay?

571
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: I thought I thought you were gonna say him or

572
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: John Carlos Laura, those are those are my two options.

573
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Speaker 2: I know that's also also a great a great person

574
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Speaker 2: to pick with Laura. It's if his walk rate is

575
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: under like four, then he's a major leaguer. Doesn't matter.

576
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: He's he's gonna be in the majors and he's going

577
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: to be pitching as much as they can. But in

578
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: terms of just overall, we we saw all the issues

579
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: with starting pitching from last year. These these players pitching,

580
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: it should be legal if we're thinking about it, like

581
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: just putting your body through That doesn't make sense whatsoever.

582
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: With Luke, he's got five He's got four plus pitches

583
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: in one and A and a really quickly developing current ball.

584
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Speaker 2: He's he's someone that at six eight two fifty us

585
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: looks the part, doesn't even look the part. He looks

586
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: like a linebacker for being honest out on the mound,

587
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: but he checks all the boxes. He's a little bit older,

588
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: he's got college experience, and he showed his ability to

589
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: pitch well in the AFL and notorious hitters Haven. So yeah,

590
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: if I had to pick one, it's probably Luke Scenard.

591
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: But yeah, Jean carlosar is gonna be one A.

592
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Speaker 1: And I guess you know, Hayden Harris already debuted, but

593
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: he's still eligible, so maybe he counts to I know,

594
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: there are a lot of brace fands that love Hayden Harris.

595
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: Sure, it seems like he's fine.

596
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: Hayden Harris, Blake Burke Alter, like Lucas Brown, all four

597
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: of them. Really, I could totally see them having roles

598
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. But in terms of like the biggest impact,

599
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: if I had to pick one, I would have to

600
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Speaker 2: go with SNAr just because the overall polish on his

601
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: game right now.

602
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Speaker 1: Yeah, on one hand, I feel like the most easiest

603
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: place to break in is probably the bullpen. But if

604
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: you get a rash of pitching injuries and this stort

605
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: I rotation like guy's gotta make story, that's how you

606
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: end up with diddy Er pitching last year. And while

607
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: he was not ready for that, Oh I should ask

608
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: you about that now that how do they handle Didier now?

609
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: In your mind because you know it's it's all different.

610
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: He debuted, so like, yeah, they thought enough to fast

611
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: track him, but it went so poorly and I wonder

612
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: how they What do you think about how they're gonna

613
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: handle him for this season?

614
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I understand. I totally understand the logic behind

615
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: him making that those starts, and it was because one

616
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: of the enormous ceiling and then to his ability to

617
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: again execute in the upper third, which is something most

618
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: minor league pitchers have an issue with, is being able

619
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: to locate that flastball up in the zone and generate

620
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: whist from That's what DeTar was really really good at.

621
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Speaker 2: I understand the thought process behind it, and it was

622
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: someone Okay, maybe we'll catch lightning in a bottle and

623
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: he will just completely take off and then he just

624
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: fills in that role for the rest of the year

625
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: moving forward. It didn't work that way because again, he's

626
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: just super duper young, and you can't really, you know,

627
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: having those kinds of expectator. I'm not going to say

628
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: they had expectations of him being a stalwart in the

629
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: in the rotation to begin with, but you know, it's

630
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: I know he didn't wasn't overwhelmed because that's not who

631
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: he is or anything like that. He just has to

632
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: learn a little more and he's just got to get

633
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: more reps and that's really all it comes down. All

634
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: it comes down to. I think he starts the year

635
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: in Gwinnett and he's the first arm up should there

636
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: any should there be any kind of substantial injury to

637
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: a starting pitcher, because what he has is there, He's

638
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: got major league tools. He is a major league caliber pitcher.

639
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to see him spending too much time

640
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: in the minors because there isn't that much he needs

641
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: to learn. It's mainly just getting those continual reps and

642
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: just getting more familiar with his armstot for all his

643
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: pitches and being able to repeat those mechanics over and

644
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: over and over, because when he's on the mound, like

645
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, he doesn't get frazzled. It's not an issue.

646
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: But what we saw last year was, yeah, it was

647
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: it wasn't great, but that's not really indicative of who

648
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: he is. I again, I I don't think it was

649
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: handled incorrectly because I understand the logic that went behind it.

650
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: It just didn't work out the way that they did.

651
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: And sometimes that just happens.

652
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: I wonder this is probably two galaxy brain. I wonder

653
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: if the Braves, because they had been kind of running

654
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: hot on those decisions when they when they had fast

655
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: track guys in the in the recent past, it actually

656
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: worked like more often than not. And I wonder if

657
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: I got a little high on their own supply on

658
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: that one, like, Hey, this is this keeps working for us,

659
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: why don't we try it again? And I get it too,

660
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: Like like you said, he as young as he is.

661
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: They had a need which we talked about a million times.

662
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you about a second actually about that

663
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: same need potentially, but he's still twenty, he'll be twenty

664
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: till June, Like, this is a guy who's has a

665
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: long runway and a lot of upside and they I

666
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: I know that Alex and company are not always under

667
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: percent popular, and I understand why they're also not buffoons.

668
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: They didn't just decide to throw them up there for

669
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: no reason, you know what I mean. Like, I don't

670
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: like to I don't like to do the appeal to

671
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: authority thing like guys make mistakes, and Alex make mistakes, Like,

672
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: but there's not They're not just doing that for They

673
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: weren't thinking this guy has no chance, let's pitch him

674
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: like they.

675
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

676
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is what it is.

677
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: Kind of on that topic, I want to ask you

678
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: a couple of major league things, probably but the probably

679
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: the biggest storyline in the last couple of weeks is

680
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: the starting pitching market. Finally from Er signed, but still

681
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: you got at least three projected, you know, eight figure

682
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: a season pitchers still available in Zach Gallan, Chris Bassett,

683
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: Lucas Giolito, and the Braves don't have as much of

684
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: a need there. Even I'm on record as saying I

685
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: hope the Braves sign of starting pitcher.

686
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: I want them to. I think they probably should.

687
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: They don't have as glaring of a need as some

688
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: teams do in that area. I will grant that, But

689
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: where do you kind of fall on this, Like do

690
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: you think the Braves need to do something else? It's

691
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: February eighth, it's getting kind of late early, and it's

692
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: weird these guys are not sign at this point report

693
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: this week.

694
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: But what do you think about the rotation? Like the

695
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: state of the rotation? Do they need another arm?

696
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: Like?

697
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: How do you stack up on that conundrum? Right now?

698
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm firmly on your side. I want a veteran pitcher.

699
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: I want someone that's been through the course of a

700
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: full season. For me, it's it's Chris Bassett. I like

701
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: what he can provide is anything glamorous, No, but it's

702
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: someone you can depend on and someone that you can

703
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: pencil in every fifth day. And that that alone, after

704
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: last year, like that alone is so much added comfort

705
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: that you don't have to necessarily worry about what's gonna

706
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: happen the next day. And so I truly believe you

707
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: know they have the huge glut of arms. We're not

708
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: even talking about aj snishav Or, who was on a

709
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: roll before his injury, and I'm eagerly waiting for him

710
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: to come back. But they have a lot of pitching,

711
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: a lot of it's super young. I for someone with

712
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: with for a team with World Series aspirations, I would

713
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: love for them to add a veteran pitcher that can

714
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: get through a full season, accumulate some innings, and just

715
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 2: provide that dependability in the staff itself, because uh, yeah,

716
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 2: I guess I've already said my reasons, but I'm I'm

717
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. I would love to see

718
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: Chris Bassett. Giolito is fine, but there's that injury risk

719
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: with him too. And then Zach Gallon with the it's

720
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: hard to give away a compick for someone, Yeah, it's

721
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: gonna be like a one year a one year player really.

722
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: So that's the thing about Gallon is like if if

723
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: he didn't have the QO, yeah, like he would be

724
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: a very logical target for like a high pretty high

725
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: av short term yuel.

726
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: But like that's a harder sell.

727
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: Even for me as someone who doesn't value probably the

728
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: draft stuff as much as others YT, I still probably

729
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't be super interested in that unless it was came

730
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: at a bargain basement price that just doesn't realistic. So

731
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: for a long time that's just been my guy too,

732
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: So we're we're't allowed with there. I thought it's interesting though,

733
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: I know, I know you want to do this is

734
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: not you, but I think people are gonna think, oh,

735
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: the prospect guy wants them to sign a veteran Starry

736
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: Fitcher to block the prospects. But it's it's more about,

737
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: like you just have to get through a whole season,

738
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: and it's not that you can't have.

739
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: Room for Waldrip, who's going to be around.

740
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: I think that he will maybe start the season in

741
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: Gwinette because he has options, but like he'll mix, he'll

742
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: mix darts. Did your you already? I mean Richie, Richie

743
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: could be up the season. That wouldn't surprise anybody, I

744
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: don't think. So there's plenty of runway and look in

745
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: the unlikely scenario where everyone stays healthy all season, cool,

746
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: like that's not a bad problem to have.

747
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: I would say.

748
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: Anything else that you're even beyond minor leag stuff anything else.

749
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: You're like looking forward to the season. I mean, and

750
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: then it's early. Maybe we'll have you all before opening

751
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: day again or something. But there's a I think there's

752
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of buzz about the Braves.

753
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't. Fangrafts.

754
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: Fangrapts is very high on the Braves. The projections. That

755
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. I mean, it means something, but it

756
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: doesn't mean everything. Like I'm start to feel like optimism again.

757
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm ready to be hurt again or something.

758
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

759
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: Last season was a disaster, but major league level, Like,

760
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: how are you feeling about the situation heading into twenty

761
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: six because obviously they changed not they haven't changed a ton,

762
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: but they've added to the roster, like they're in better

763
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: ship than they were a few months ago.

764
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: They've added to the roster, they brought in new coaches,

765
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: you know, they they've made whole organizational changes and it's

766
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: it's it's been a lot, you know, even talking about

767
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: the pitching coordinator down in the minors, Paul Davis was

768
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: let go and they still haven't filled that position. There's

769
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: a lot of question marks, there's a lot of unknowns,

770
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: and that's what makes twenty twenty six so interesting. How

771
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: do the Braves adapt? How do these new coaches, Like,

772
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: how does the organization adapt to to Hefner at the top.

773
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: Now you know he's someone that loves to have the

774
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: multiple fastballs with a with a with a with a

775
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: pitcher itself. Is that something they continue to Are we

776
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: going Are the Braves going through? Uh? Gonna be targeting

777
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: more reclamation projects just like the Mets did, because they

778
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: like to turn relievers into starters. Like there's so many

779
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: things that I don't know what's gonna happen that we

780
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: get to see develop in real time, and and it's

781
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: gonna be like super exciting. And and that doesn't even

782
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: state the fact that I think the Braves should be

783
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: one of the favorites in the league to win the

784
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: World Series, especially if they add another veteran pitcher, someone

785
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: that's been through the full season grind and knows how

786
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: to knows how to just get through it, Like I

787
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 2: like the Braves chances. Of course, what are you gonna

788
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: do if you go up against the Dodgers and they're

789
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: forty seven starting pitchers, and you know, you have to

790
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: get it done on the on the on the field itself,

791
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: and that's where you gotta let your players talk. And

792
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: I like what the Braves have done a full season

793
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 2: of profar like that's gonna be changing. A full season

794
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: of Drake Baldwin and his confidence, that's gonna be that's

795
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: gonna help so much. Uh, fully healthy Ronald Acuna like

796
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: yes please.

797
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's the thing that people people are

798
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: maybe not understand, like not recognizing, like maybe Runnie's running

799
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: had a full season, a full season to like be healthy. Yeah,

800
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: be himself, and that's that's usually good thing for him.

801
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: And then then you saw, yeah, I always like all

802
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: Vranie and then you saw Ozzie rebound towards the end

803
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: of the season. Can he keep that up? If he's

804
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: an eight hundred ops kind of player, then that's pretty

805
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 2: much everyone and the Diamond that's an eight hundred ops

806
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: player once Kim comes back, so you know you have

807
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: to well as long as Michael Harris also, you know.

808
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 3: I was gonna say question, Yeah.

809
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, if those two, if those two play to their capabilities,

810
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: and everyone's you know, close to an eight hundred ops player.

811
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: When you have a bullpen like the Braves have started

812
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: to develop and you got two dynamite closers at the end,

813
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: and then you have no potentially gian Carlos Laara, you

814
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: already talked about Hayden Harris his ability to now locate

815
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: his sweeper to both sides, like, there's so much to

816
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: be hopeful for that. I'm actually going in with pretty

817
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: sizable expectations and I just hope that doesn't hurt me.

818
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: It has in the past. But there's a lot to

819
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: like and a lot to really pay attention to this year,

820
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: and that's what's going to really make twenty twenty six fun.

821
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the old Hope Springs Eternal is definitely in. I'm

822
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: right there with you at this point in time. Well,

823
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: thank you number one for coming on the pod. We

824
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: talk a lot offline, but I don't want to burden

825
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: you too much by asking you to come all the time.

826
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Speaker 1: It's like I'll watch my asks every once in a while.

827
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Speaker 1: We'll do this, but I thank you for doing it.

828
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Speaker 1: We plugged the list already, but we're number one. Play

829
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Speaker 1: anything you want to. Where else can people find all

830
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: your coverage? You're always dialed into things, but not just

831
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Speaker 1: minor league stuff, major league stuff work.

832
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Speaker 3: If folks be following you if they want to.

833
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like you said, I do my writing over

834
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Speaker 2: on Battery Powered. This year, I'll be debuting over on

835
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: Lockdown Braves, and I'll be doing some podcasting over there,

836
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Speaker 2: some video podcasting over there covering the miners as well,

837
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: and then all things and all things data and analysis.

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Speaker 2: You can see some of not necessarily my work, but

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Speaker 2: the work I help get out there over at Baseball Perspectives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm supposed to be mortal enemies with

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Speaker 1: locked On Braves for some reason, that's not the case,

842
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: and I also work I also work at locked On,

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00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like interesting back and forth there.

844
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: But listen to that show.

845
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Speaker 1: There's plenty of room for all of us into space,

846
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Speaker 1: so it's not a head to guy competition. And follow

847
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Speaker 1: Gore for sure. Thank you, sir for doing this. Very

848
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: valuable and I always raise my hand. I know Scott

849
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: does as well. Steven's a little bit better than we are,

850
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: and Sean, but I don't follow the stuff that closely.

851
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Speaker 1: I wish I had more time to do so, but

852
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Speaker 1: you helped me fill in the gaps, so I sincerely

853
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Speaker 1: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You do the same thing for me with the Hawks, man,

855
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Speaker 2: so I appreciate your work. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Dms are open for Hawks questions if anybody has them. Anyway,

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