Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
Speaker 2: going to be talking about the continuing drama of Gene
Speaker 2: Hackman and his wife's death. A YouTuber who was killed
Speaker 2: after revealing their location, a man who was held captive
Speaker 2: by a stepmother for years, a baby cut out of
Speaker 2: a pregnant teenager, a woman trying to sell toes on
Speaker 2: the Internet, a man who just ate a rat in
Speaker 2: the middle of New York City, and reasons why I
Speaker 2: don't want to send my kids away to college. So
Speaker 2: let's get started with Gene Hackman again for the third
Speaker 2: week in a row.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought we were definitely done talking about this
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman case. But now Betsy, his wife's doctor, has
Speaker 1: come out to say that she called him the day
Speaker 1: after police said she died.
Speaker 2: All right, I think this is kind of duchey by
Speaker 2: the doctor, and I really don't understand what the point
Speaker 2: is exactly, except to get publicity for himself. Because the
Speaker 2: medical examiner said quote, based on the circumstances, it is
Speaker 2: reasonable to conclude that Betsy passed away. First with February
Speaker 2: eleventh being the last time that she was known to
Speaker 2: be alive, which is true, that's the last time that
Speaker 2: we heard from her. And they said multiple times that
Speaker 2: this is and it's an estimate, like there's no internal
Speaker 2: clock that people have that tell you exactly what time
Speaker 2: and day they died. You're just doing it based upon
Speaker 2: the investigation and based upon what you see at autopsy,
Speaker 2: Like you could estimate based on like, Okay, these changes
Speaker 2: wouldn't be seen in a couple of days, This might
Speaker 2: take a couple of weeks, based on the environment and
Speaker 2: things like that. But there's there's no one ever said
Speaker 2: that there was a magic date that that was the
Speaker 2: day that she definitely died. And this doctor is just
Speaker 2: kind of a douchebag for even bringing that up, in
Speaker 2: my opinion.
Speaker 1: Well, unless you're on Yellowstone season five and there's no
Speaker 1: witnesses or anything, remember I was telling you about that,
Speaker 1: they were they're like, oh, he died at this exact time,
Speaker 1: but there was no video footage, there's no witnesses, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you know he died at that exact minute
Speaker 1: from the autime?
Speaker 2: See? And then the doctor, this doctor was also so
Speaker 2: he first started off saying that She wasn't his patient.
Speaker 2: She was referred by a friend to this doctor, so
Speaker 2: he doesn't really know anything about her because he's never
Speaker 2: really physically examined her. But he had to make sure
Speaker 2: that he kept saying she didn't have any respiratory symptoms, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: who cares, what does that have to do with anything?
Speaker 2: I told you guys last week that or whenever this
Speaker 2: information came out. That was last week that we went
Speaker 2: over this, that the haunted virus, when you get the
Speaker 2: infection and then when you start showing symptoms, it could
Speaker 2: be anywhere from one week to five weeks after you're
Speaker 2: exposed to it. But I told you that, you know,
Speaker 2: the first three to six days of the virus, you
Speaker 2: don't start showing any respiratory symptoms. So she could have
Speaker 2: called because she just was feeling like it was just
Speaker 2: coming on and she was feeling unwell, and so she
Speaker 2: wouldn't have had any respiratory symptoms. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if you remember me saying that once the cardio pulmonary
Speaker 2: symptoms come on, then that's it could be very rapid
Speaker 2: that your lung spill up with fluid and everything. So
Speaker 2: that could have happened like we said, she went out
Speaker 2: on that one day and then she wasn't heard from again,
Speaker 2: and that's when that could have happened at her house,
Speaker 2: and it could have just came on very quick, within
Speaker 2: twenty four hours, maybe even faster, that she went from
Speaker 2: feeling okay to dead. So what exactly is this doctor
Speaker 2: trying to do except stir up drama and confusion that
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be there.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you, especially because he was saying
Speaker 1: that she was supposed to come in later that So
Speaker 1: the police are saying she died on February eleventh. The
Speaker 1: doctor is saying she called on February twelve and that
Speaker 1: she was supposed to come in later that afternoon and
Speaker 1: never showed up. But she had called them that morning.
Speaker 1: So what's it a difference of less than twenty four
Speaker 1: hours that he's trying to clear up. It's not like
Speaker 1: she called them a week later. That would be something
Speaker 1: more substantiactly.
Speaker 2: And also you're saying she didn't have any respiratory symptoms,
Speaker 2: like you didn't examine her, you didn't listen to her test,
Speaker 2: You do not know what was going on in her body,
Speaker 2: and clearly she's dead, Okay. So she was pretty not
Speaker 2: feeling well. I'll say that, right, we don't know exactly
Speaker 2: what was going on, but don't try to put out
Speaker 2: within the public by sight putting this out because you're
Speaker 2: not proving anything. And in fact, the fact that you're
Speaker 2: a doctor makes me just think that you sound like
Speaker 2: an idiot, like you should know all this.
Speaker 1: But did the police just come across this phone record
Speaker 1: when they were doing their investigation, because there was no
Speaker 1: mention of an outco and call from her, well, they were.
Speaker 2: Still examining the cell phones, as do you remember they
Speaker 2: said that they listen, I'm telling you right now, just
Speaker 2: because I'm in this field and everything, I think that
Speaker 2: they did a really good job just based on everything
Speaker 2: that I know so far, and I'm just I'm just
Speaker 2: kind of annoyed by this. They even said last week
Speaker 2: when they gave out that she had haunt a virus
Speaker 2: and he died from the Alzheimer's and the heart disease,
Speaker 2: they said, the investigation's not closed. They're still looking into
Speaker 2: the cell phones that were found in the house, and
Speaker 2: they were still waiting for the dog. That results also
Speaker 2: came back that that the dog starved to death and
Speaker 2: was dehydrated, which we knew was going to have happened
Speaker 2: as predicted, so so they could close that part of it.
Speaker 2: But they're still looking at the cell phone records. But anyway,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. Like like I said, that, you don't
Speaker 2: just have haunt a virus in your system, and there
Speaker 2: was other things seen at autopsy too that would have
Speaker 2: concurred that. So I just think that this doctor just,
Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden, it's like his name's
Speaker 2: in the news everywhere, and everybody's looking up his business
Speaker 2: in his name. That's all that's about.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not helping either with all the online saluits
Speaker 1: that think there's this like grand conspiracy theory that there's
Speaker 1: something more nefarious going on behind the scenes. It's pretty straightforward,
Speaker 1: just like it's just it's not necessary information to have
Speaker 1: out there. It's just a matter of a couple hours
Speaker 1: of difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so whatever, let's we don't need to talk about
Speaker 2: this anymore. I got actually annoyed by that doctor. It
Speaker 2: just pissed me off. Let's talk about this really scary
Speaker 2: situation that happened with the YouTuber. Yeah, so in Japan,
Speaker 2: this twenty two year old YouTuber was doing a live
Speaker 2: stream and then all of a sudden, her viewers heard
Speaker 2: some screaming before the feed cut off. So it turns
Speaker 2: out that she had borrowed money from this guy a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and she didn't pay him back,
Speaker 2: and even though they had been in contact with the
Speaker 2: police about the money and everything, they just never got
Speaker 2: it situated. So then when she announced her live stream,
Speaker 2: he drove I think over sixty miles where she was
Speaker 2: doing the live stream and then was able to see
Speaker 2: the landmarks in the back of the video, and so
Speaker 2: he used that to track her down and then stab terror. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's really scary.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We I don't know if we've ever said this on
Speaker 2: this program, but we've been like this as a social
Speaker 2: media family that we've been on Instagram now since when
Speaker 2: twenty and thirteen, a really long time. Yeah, we when
Speaker 2: we go away, we never ever post pictures or say
Speaker 2: anything about where we're going until we get back and
Speaker 2: we're back home in our house from the trip. That's
Speaker 2: just like, that's number one rule if you go on
Speaker 2: social media a lot and people are following you, because
Speaker 2: why would you ever let anybody know where you're at
Speaker 2: in real time? That's just stupid unless you have, like
Speaker 2: you know, if you're going to an event or something
Speaker 2: in their security there. But why would you why would
Speaker 2: you ever just be like, hey, I'm here right now.
Speaker 2: You're just asking for trouble.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it happens so frequently other podcasts I
Speaker 1: listened to, The women on those shows will be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my husband's going away this weekend, I'm going to be alone.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why would you advertise that to the world?
Speaker 1: Other women that I fall on, it's it's women in
Speaker 1: particular that do this, and they're at the most risk.
Speaker 1: I feel, not that men aren't, but I well.
Speaker 2: They don't have a crazy husband stepfather like you do, right,
Speaker 2: like he would freeze. He's the Yes, he's the one
Speaker 2: the reason that we're like that because he's constantly thinking
Speaker 2: about terrible things.
Speaker 1: These women are always on their instagrams being like home
Speaker 1: alone this weekend of like what are you doing, or
Speaker 1: posting pictures of the front of their house, or just
Speaker 1: showing too much personal information showing that they're going out
Speaker 1: going so and so, so and so hanging out with whoever.
Speaker 2: It's just not smart and for us, it's like it's
Speaker 2: the same with the housewives. Honestly, like most people are
Speaker 2: considered low risk because we're not doing anything that's like
Speaker 2: really pissing people off, like political stuff or whatever. But
Speaker 2: you know, you can find a lot of stuff already online,
Speaker 2: so you don't want to invite and give more information
Speaker 2: than you need to. Anyway, what was the content, Like,
Speaker 2: what did they figure out if it was one of
Speaker 2: her followers, Like what what was the relationship between the two.
Speaker 2: So it said she had met this man in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one and she had convinced him to let her
Speaker 2: borrow some money. So he said he led her two
Speaker 2: million yen, which is equivalent to thirteen thy five hundred
Speaker 2: US dollars, and that when she borrowed it, she never
Speaker 2: returned it. So it seems like they had already been
Speaker 2: working up with police and everything about the stolen money.
Speaker 1: I guess you could consider the stolen money, So they
Speaker 1: had already been working that out, and because she didn't
Speaker 1: return it, it angered him. But where I'm confused is
Speaker 1: he said he wasn't planning to kill her, But if
Speaker 1: you're stabbing somebody, in my opinion, you're planning to kill them.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I don't know maybe his intentions were
Speaker 2: to scare her, but then she was you know, her
Speaker 2: reaction maybe triggered him to do it. But it doesn't matter. Really.
Speaker 2: If you bring a weapon to anywhere and you're pretty
Speaker 2: a flight, yeah, to a confrontation or for anything, then
Speaker 2: if you use it, it doesn't matter. I guess he's
Speaker 2: trying to say, you know, you want to go premeditated
Speaker 2: or not whatever. I don't know, but that's not gonna work, Bud.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, I mean, I think the grander message of
Speaker 1: this entire story is, like, be smart about it. When
Speaker 1: you buy a house, you don't have to post the
Speaker 1: picture of the front of your house on Instagram. And
Speaker 1: you don't have to post a million pictures of your
Speaker 1: children online and where they go to school and what
Speaker 1: they're doing, and when your.
Speaker 2: Husband's not home.
Speaker 1: It's okay to keep some things to yourself.
Speaker 2: It's not in this world, okay. So these tornadoes are insane.
Speaker 2: I've been seeing videos of them all over the place,
Speaker 2: and when we've drove cross country twice this year and
Speaker 2: just driving out and seeing how flat it is and
Speaker 2: nothing around, which is just so opposite of where we
Speaker 2: live here. It's just to see to just imagine driving
Speaker 2: down one of these roads and seeing a twister like
Speaker 2: that would just I think I would just drop dead.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we all know, this is my biggest fear
Speaker 1: of all time. This was It's quite a biblical event
Speaker 1: that was going on throughout the country over the weekend.
Speaker 1: There were I think Fox reported that over ninety tornadoes
Speaker 1: broke out over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine this? No, but just seeing it, I mean,
Speaker 2: we and we barely get storms like anywhere, We don't
Speaker 2: ever get storms to that level. I think we've had
Speaker 2: a couple, but it it's really scary to be in
Speaker 2: your house when something's happening outside that you have absolutely
Speaker 2: no control over. I would think in this area of
Speaker 2: the country, since it happened so often, that most people
Speaker 2: would either have at their house or have access to
Speaker 2: some kind of storm shelters. And but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess people don't because so many people died. Forty
Speaker 2: two people died so far, at least that's a lot
Speaker 2: of people. When you when you they were pretty much
Speaker 2: posting all over the place. I don't know, if you
Speaker 2: saw the map online that was rotating around, yeah, you
Speaker 2: saw it right, Well, it's kind of a joke. So there,
Speaker 2: I think I know the one you're talking. Okay, there
Speaker 2: was explain it. Let me tell you guys if you
Speaker 2: haven't seen it. So there was a map of this
Speaker 2: whole area of the lower part of the country that
Speaker 2: was I think it was kind of like New Orleans
Speaker 2: was kind of in the middle of this, and it
Speaker 2: went up into the Midwest. And it was one of
Speaker 2: those maps that you know, they show the different colors
Speaker 2: of probability of you being affected by this tornado, and
Speaker 2: it just looked like the shape of a penis. And
Speaker 2: and this map was going around and just kept saying
Speaker 2: like hard winds are going to ram the country, you know,
Speaker 2: like stuff like that. It just was it just was
Speaker 2: really funny. So but yeah, they that was going around
Speaker 2: all over online that warning there's going to be really
Speaker 2: high chance of having tornadoes all over this part of
Speaker 2: the country, and it certainly happened.
Speaker 1: It's just so scary to think about. And there's this
Speaker 1: crazy coincidence. So one hundred years ago today, March eighteenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty, there was this event that they called the
Speaker 1: tri State Tornado. So this massive tornado went through Missouri,
Speaker 1: Illinois and Indiana. It went for over four hours, It
Speaker 1: spread across two hundred miles, and they killed nearly seven
Speaker 1: hundred people. So that was the deadliest tornado in United
Speaker 1: States history. I'm not sure if it's in world history,
Speaker 1: but definitely in the United States. But I mean they
Speaker 1: were kind of when they were talking about this situation,
Speaker 1: they were discussing how hopefully it would never get to
Speaker 1: this level again because of all the weather monitoring services
Speaker 1: we have now and the ability to warn people with
Speaker 1: cell phones and sirens and everything. But just think it
Speaker 1: scary that was in nineteen twenty five, being in your house,
Speaker 1: having absolutely no idea all the storm is coming, and
Speaker 1: then it leveled out entire towns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean back then you would just hear stories
Speaker 2: of family members that might have been older that experienced
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff from by happening. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: there were books documenting it as well. But you have
Speaker 2: to think, like I could tell you, over the course
Speaker 2: of just this year alone, between Gabe going and being
Speaker 2: deployed to these hurricanes, Remember I was thinking about that.
Speaker 2: Remember they there was one of the hurricanes that he
Speaker 2: had went to, and that it could have been Helene,
Speaker 2: which was terrible for but it wasn't. I don't think
Speaker 2: it was super terrible for Florida as bad as it
Speaker 2: was for North Carolina. But there was one of the tornado.
Speaker 2: Didn't a hurricane occur around the same time too, There
Speaker 2: were like back to back ones, but one of them
Speaker 2: that they were just acting was going to be the
Speaker 2: worst thing ever. And that guy that was the weather
Speaker 2: castor in the news was crying saying it was going
Speaker 2: to be so bad, and then it ended up that
Speaker 2: was the one that was supposed to hit Tampa maybe
Speaker 2: like whatever was the one that was directly before Helene, Okay,
Speaker 2: the week before. So all I'm trying to say is
Speaker 2: that a lot of times, and even this past weekend,
Speaker 2: they were saying where we lived, that we were supposed
Speaker 2: to get this tornado warnings and horrible thunderstorms and this
Speaker 2: and that, and it's like, after a while, people just
Speaker 2: stop listening. And that's the problem because boy who cried wolf? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I know that it's I mean, listen, I don't
Speaker 2: predict weather for a living, and I'm sure it's difficult
Speaker 2: because when they talk about all of this stuff, it's
Speaker 2: it's crazy. And we're getting better and better but all
Speaker 2: they're doing. You just have to remember is that all
Speaker 2: they're doing is predicting it, and there's really no repercussions
Speaker 2: if they're if they're wrong or they're right. But I
Speaker 2: think that's probably what the thing is like. If you
Speaker 2: live in that part of the country, you probably get
Speaker 2: these warnings all the time, and just people are just like, well,
Speaker 2: what are we just supposed to sit in a hole
Speaker 2: in the ground that every single time we get one
Speaker 2: of these, we get them for months on end every year.
Speaker 1: Well, my best friends from Wisconsin, and he's saying that,
Speaker 1: you know this, this is nothing over there, Like they
Speaker 1: would just sit in there in their kitchen and act
Speaker 1: like nothing was happening when there's a twister on the
Speaker 1: ground not that far from their house, whereas I'm hiding
Speaker 1: in a closet in my base it when one touches
Speaker 1: down five miles away from my house.
Speaker 2: I keep seeing these videos and I just think, like,
Speaker 2: how are these people dis close to this thing with
Speaker 2: their phone and not freaking out and just hiding somewhere.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's really important to understand the differences
Speaker 1: with the warnings. So I saw this really good graphic
Speaker 1: last year. A tornado watch basically means there's the ingredients
Speaker 1: to make a tornado, if you want to equate it
Speaker 1: to a cake like this meme did, and then the
Speaker 1: tornado warning means the cake has been made. And then
Speaker 1: there's another there's another warning level called a tornado emergency,
Speaker 1: which means a tornado has formed reporter on the ground
Speaker 1: and it's a direct threat to human life. So they
Speaker 1: need to be a little really, get in your base.
Speaker 1: We're not, but they need to be.
Speaker 2: They just need to use a little bit more because
Speaker 2: this is where people get screwed up with the two
Speaker 2: W words warning. What does the difference between a warning
Speaker 2: and a watch? Like you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 2: the average person doesn't sit there and see those charts
Speaker 2: you're talking about. You get it across your phone with
Speaker 2: an emergency message and you're like, wait, is that the
Speaker 2: bad one or the good one? That's what everybody says.
Speaker 2: So they just need to come up with new terminology
Speaker 2: or something to just make it less confusing for people,
Speaker 2: especially people who live in the Midwest obviously are probably
Speaker 2: just way more in tune to this. But for us,
Speaker 2: when we only get maybe one or two tornado warnings
Speaker 2: a year. If that, it's like every single person's just like,
Speaker 2: what does this mean? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I mean I feel like for us, like
Speaker 1: I get so scared when they happen because they didn't
Speaker 1: happen our entire life. I could recall too before the
Speaker 1: last couple of years that I ever remembered in my
Speaker 1: whole life.
Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna have to adapt. It's we're in a
Speaker 2: tornado zone now.
Speaker 1: No, we are, remember too nothing, So Maries Maria goes
Speaker 1: and hides in a cabby in her house.
Speaker 2: Whenever they say there's gonna be severe weather. We keep
Speaker 2: joking that we're gonna put like a TV in that
Speaker 2: little room for her, and like a bean bag chair.
Speaker 1: I just told Louis last night, I won a wallpaper
Speaker 1: and put a cute little rug.
Speaker 2: In there, and maybe a bean bag like Maria's personal
Speaker 2: hurricane shelter. Yeah, but watch the house gets sucked right
Speaker 2: up and you're in like this prime zone of just
Speaker 2: getting sucked right up into it. Well, everybody makes fun
Speaker 2: of me, but you guys don't have the warnings quite
Speaker 2: like my neighborhood does. And once the couple we've had
Speaker 2: in the last couple of years have touched down not
Speaker 2: that far from my house, so it's not that far
Speaker 2: fetched that I want to go in hiding about it.
Speaker 2: But it's always when I'm home alone too that they
Speaker 2: have and it is. There has never been a time
Speaker 2: where I've been where Fricky's been home, where anybody's been
Speaker 2: over here.
Speaker 1: It's always wan I'm by myself. It's just like really
Speaker 1: adds to it. Then my phone goes on SOS mode.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is really great.
Speaker 2: So you need to get one of those red landline
Speaker 2: telephones or or something like that that only works in emergencies.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe you can.
Speaker 1: Know where to find me if it happen in the house.
Speaker 1: All right, what's going on with this?
Speaker 2: Okay? So like let's talk about Saint Patrick's Day because
Speaker 2: I just don't get it. I just don't. I don't
Speaker 2: get it, like it can be, I don't care. But
Speaker 2: I'm not really Irish, so I like, I'm not. Is
Speaker 2: that why I don't get it? I don't know.
Speaker 1: First of all, genetically you are Irish. I love Irish, I.
Speaker 2: Said, I'm not really because I'm barely listen. I loved it.
Speaker 2: So yesterday obviously, Saint Patrick's Day is a reason for celebration,
Speaker 2: like an actual reason, because it's my daughter's birthday. Right,
Speaker 2: So my dad came over, everybody came over last night.
Speaker 2: We had dinner and cake and everything, and I was
Speaker 2: so I was like cleaning the dishes in the other room.
Speaker 2: But I overheard him say it, and I was so
Speaker 2: happy to hear him ask Ricky, what exactly are you celebrating?
Speaker 2: I never understood that my whole life. What are you celebrating?
Speaker 2: And I was like, thank you, Like this guy gets it.
Speaker 2: I been saying, like, what's the It's an excuse, it's
Speaker 2: not a celebration. It's an excuse to go out and
Speaker 2: get drunk. What are you celebrating?
Speaker 1: You can't argue that about fourth of July? Do you
Speaker 1: think people are really you're celebrating the birth of America
Speaker 1: on that day? People there really are not celebrate America.
Speaker 2: Listen, at least you could say that they are, like
Speaker 2: there's an actual that's the reason that we're having that holiday,
Speaker 2: Like what is the cell? What is Saint Patrick's Day?
Speaker 2: And what is the celebration about?
Speaker 1: This is a major glimpse into your of fun suckerness.
Speaker 1: Because you're you don't you don't engage in normal young
Speaker 1: people activities. Just let people go out and have fun.
Speaker 2: If they want to say they can't, people could do
Speaker 2: whatever they want. I just I just want an explanation.
Speaker 1: So just sound like such a Karen about it. Just like,
Speaker 1: if people want to go out every reason to celebrate,
Speaker 1: let them listen.
Speaker 2: I brought my kids and one of their friends to
Speaker 2: the city this weekend, and I don't even understand how
Speaker 2: I possibly ended up like right in the smack in
Speaker 2: the middle of both of the old Irish bars.
Speaker 1: Because Philadelphia is an enormous place to celebrate.
Speaker 2: Well, like everybody's walking around drunk in the middle of
Speaker 2: the day wearing green I just like, Okay, if it's fun,
Speaker 2: that's fine. I just I just don't get it. So
Speaker 2: let's talk about what happened to these college students on
Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 1: Well, at University of Pittsburgh, a bunch of college kids
Speaker 1: were celebrating the holiday. Obviously, everybody's drinking. At some point
Speaker 1: during this party, thirty people pile onto the roof of
Speaker 1: this front porch and then it suddenly collapses obviously due
Speaker 1: to the weight on it, and one of the most
Speaker 1: concerning parts of this for me is the girl that
Speaker 1: took the video of the roof collapsing is saying, well,
Speaker 1: everybody did it last year and there wasn't a problem.
Speaker 2: What so exactly so, and guess what, they're all wearing
Speaker 2: green T shirts. Surprise. This is exactly why. This is
Speaker 2: one of a few stories that I just this is
Speaker 2: why I don't want my kids to go away to college.
Speaker 2: Their brains are just not developed yet. When you see
Speaker 2: this house, so it's a house, it's just like a
Speaker 2: regular house, an older house. And they're standing on a
Speaker 2: porch roof. It's not it's not that it was a
Speaker 2: specific deck that was made on a second floor for
Speaker 2: people to stand on. They're standing on the roof of
Speaker 2: a porch. The roof of a porch is put on
Speaker 2: so you don't get wet in the rain. There's no
Speaker 2: structural integrity to that to hold it up, to hold
Speaker 2: any weight beside shingles and maybe snow. Like, it's not
Speaker 2: made for thirty human beings that weigh over one hundred
Speaker 2: pounds to be standing on. That's that's outrageous to me.
Speaker 1: No, And like, I'm not even really concerned about the
Speaker 1: people who are on the roof getting her. I'm concerned
Speaker 1: about the people who are underneath of it and under.
Speaker 2: Like, what's happening? Is it because they're all drunk? It
Speaker 2: has to be right?
Speaker 1: No, I think people are just like really dumb anymore.
Speaker 1: I from being honest because we have stories a lot
Speaker 1: of times like this where people are completely sober and
Speaker 1: doing dumb shit like this.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just a bad combination. And this is why
Speaker 2: I'm anti sending my kids away to college. So it's
Speaker 2: like alcohol just makes you dumb, and then the brains
Speaker 2: aren't formed altogether. It's just a big and then people
Speaker 2: are just dumb, and then add weed into it. There's
Speaker 2: just a lot of dumbness going on. So like, I
Speaker 2: don't want my kids to go away and be in
Speaker 2: situations like that, because it's alarming that one person would
Speaker 2: do it, let alone thirty and how many were standing
Speaker 2: underneath of it. It's just like all of those brains
Speaker 2: together still couldn't have figured out that that was a
Speaker 2: bad idea.
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Speaker 1: on a roof, and I'm like, are we seriously at
Speaker 1: this point where we're telling these people that are legally
Speaker 1: adults not to stand on a roof, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, we have this other story at a University
Speaker 2: of Pittsburgh. Again. This is what makes me just not
Speaker 2: want to send my kids away to college. And I
Speaker 2: just like, I'm not into the trips with the young
Speaker 2: kids all together, and the drinking. It's really like the
Speaker 2: drinking is makes things worse in my opinion. So why
Speaker 2: don't we talk about this one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, please forgive my pronunciation of this girl's name, Sudishka Kunanki.
Speaker 1: She's twenty years old. She's a junior at University of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: So she went to Puna Kana on spring break with
Speaker 1: some of her friends and on March sixth, her friend
Speaker 1: said they all went to the beach together and then
Speaker 1: she stayed behind with some people she met on the trip. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the last time they've seen her.
Speaker 2: I feel tired. As soon as I heard about this,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm getting Natalie Holloway vibes exactly now,
Speaker 2: is it? So? So, of course there's a guy involved.
Speaker 2: Well the story.
Speaker 1: You know, at first, when you hear of a girl
Speaker 1: on a trip with their friend, of course you think
Speaker 1: of Natalie Holloway. But there's so many eerily similar details
Speaker 1: between the two cases. So yeah, there's this guy involved
Speaker 1: named Joshua, so police have been questioning him. He's allegedly
Speaker 1: the last person that's seen her alive. So he was
Speaker 1: saying they were in waste deep water, talking and kissing
Speaker 1: a little when a big wave came in and swept
Speaker 1: them away. The hotel is saying that there were red
Speaker 1: flags out that day indicating that there was really strong
Speaker 1: current and high waves. So I guess he's claiming that
Speaker 1: they were swept away in this wave, but he was
Speaker 1: able to get her back to shore and then he
Speaker 1: turned around, and then when he turned back to ask
Speaker 1: her if she was okay, she wasn't there anymore. So
Speaker 1: he's he thinks that she's just walked up and left.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, dude, you're on a beach. You would
Speaker 1: see somebody for half a mile if they were walking away.
Speaker 2: Were they So that I guess my first question is
Speaker 2: did he come forth? Because I know they found him
Speaker 2: on surveillance videos, So is that how they found him
Speaker 2: or he came forth and was like she I was
Speaker 2: with her that night. I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: I'm exactly sure that detail what I think is really
Speaker 1: interesting about this case is the police are saying there's
Speaker 1: no suspects and they're treating it as a missing persons
Speaker 1: and not necessarily as a homicide. But why did they
Speaker 1: take his passport away from him? And why are they
Speaker 1: having police escort him everywhere he goes? So he's an
Speaker 1: American too, Yeah, so he's a student at University of Minnesota.
Speaker 1: He's twenty two years old.
Speaker 2: So he so did they find him in Minnesota or
Speaker 2: was he still on the trip? When he's still there,
Speaker 2: I don't even think he's allowed to leave the country
Speaker 2: rangew Okay, So well, I mean, I guess they're keeping
Speaker 2: him there because he's the only person. So I guess
Speaker 2: that the theory could be correct because if they're saying
Speaker 2: that you shouldn't have been out in the water, and
Speaker 2: they were out in the water, which is possible because
Speaker 2: people just ignore those signs. I guess what I'm having
Speaker 2: a hard time with is didn't they find her clothes
Speaker 2: on the beach or something?
Speaker 1: I did read that they found underclothes on the beach.
Speaker 1: And I'm definitely not saying he did it. I just
Speaker 1: think his account of what happened is kind of weird,
Speaker 1: and maybe he was drinking and he doesn't have good
Speaker 1: memory of it or something because it was in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night. I think they said it was
Speaker 1: around four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just odd that unless he was completely
Speaker 2: wasted and just wasn't paying attention to really what was happening.
Speaker 2: Just think in general, like, I mean, whatever they were doing,
Speaker 2: they were on a date, right, So if you're just
Speaker 2: on a date for a couple hours and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden your date is just like gone, it's
Speaker 2: just a little weird.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were on a date. I think
Speaker 1: they were hanging out and then they just started hooking
Speaker 1: up when everybody lived.
Speaker 2: But still it's a date they were I mean, like,
Speaker 2: people don't just like leave in the middle of a
Speaker 2: hangout session. It's just odd.
Speaker 1: So sure, I don't agree with that, but it's yours.
Speaker 2: Just like make out with a guy in the ocean
Speaker 2: and go back to the beach and turn around, Oh,
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess we're here Like that. That's weird.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's like, hey, I'm leaving now, like it.
Speaker 2: You don't just hang up on someone on the phone
Speaker 2: in the middle of the conversation. It's kind of like.
Speaker 1: That, Sure, if that's what you want to think. Sure,
Speaker 1: but young people definitely do make out at parties and
Speaker 1: stuff and just get up and walk away. I think
Speaker 1: that the added element of them being in the ocean
Speaker 1: and then being swept up is interesting that, you know,
Speaker 1: he's saying that they were like, you know, taken down
Speaker 1: by this wave, and then he said he got her
Speaker 1: back to shore and then all of a sudden she
Speaker 1: wasn't there. But I don't know how quickly this goes down.
Speaker 1: Maybe another wave came in and swept her away really quick.
Speaker 1: Maybe not.
Speaker 2: I don't really know.
Speaker 1: But this is why this is so similar to the
Speaker 1: Natalie Halloway case.
Speaker 2: Because did it You're on vander Sleuth. The guy that
Speaker 2: was he is like accused of being killer.
Speaker 1: By the way, was he ever formally convicted of killing her,
Speaker 1: because remember they kept arresting him and then they couldn't
Speaker 1: prove he did it, and then he killed another person later.
Speaker 2: He's definitely in trouble. That was the first time I
Speaker 2: think he ever got arrested. Is when he is when
Speaker 2: he or like be not arrested but put in prison
Speaker 2: for killing the other girl. Yeah, I'm not. I honestly
Speaker 2: don't know, but I guess. So this is what's odd
Speaker 2: I guess about this case. So now her parents maybe
Speaker 2: it's not odd because I'm sure it's for burial or
Speaker 2: religious purposes or whatever. But her parents are asking the
Speaker 2: Dominican if they could declare her dead, and I think,
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of like, well, like why, like why
Speaker 2: unless it's unless it's, like I said, for religious or
Speaker 2: burial purposes.
Speaker 1: All I could think is that information that we don't
Speaker 1: have is the public right now, is that they really
Speaker 1: believe she accidentally was swept up in the water and died.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was hearing I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's it's it's too early.
Speaker 2: Hasn't it only been like ten days?
Speaker 1: It's been twelve days since she went missing. Also, I
Speaker 1: was hearing interviews with people that know the Joshua kid,
Speaker 1: and they all, by all accounts, it seems like he's
Speaker 1: a pretty good kid that's never been in trouble.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure if he was the guy like
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago that ate his brother's eyeballs,
Speaker 2: like what that doesn't I don't saying anything. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: More information could come out, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: just assume he's guilty because he happened to be the
Speaker 1: last person with her. I mean, they were in the
Speaker 1: ocean and the waters were rough. It's completely possible that
Speaker 1: his drunk curR and swept her away. I think his
Speaker 1: story of it is unusual, but it was the middle
Speaker 1: of the night.
Speaker 2: He could have been drinking.
Speaker 1: You don't know. I do think it's strange, But I
Speaker 1: also could understand if you're a grieving parent and there's
Speaker 1: a large possibility your daughter's not going to be found,
Speaker 1: Like why keep reliving through it every single day? Like
Speaker 1: some people just have to do it to move on.
Speaker 1: But it's a little it's I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just a little unusual to me, Like why listen,
Speaker 1: she's dead. If she comes up alive, I would be shocked, honestly.
Speaker 1: But weirder things have happened.
Speaker 2: Like this next case, Yes exactly, Like Okay, this shit
Speaker 2: is outrageous, So let's.
Speaker 1: Start getting into this one. So in Connecticut, emergency workers
Speaker 1: get a call about a fire at a residential home.
Speaker 1: So they get there and they find this fifty six
Speaker 1: year old woman. She's I guess the homeowner. She has
Speaker 1: gotten to safety, but they find out that her thirty
Speaker 1: two year old stepson is trapped in the house. So
Speaker 1: they go in the house and they get him out,
Speaker 1: and then he confessed that he set the fire himself
Speaker 1: using computer paper, hand sanitizer, and a lighter because he
Speaker 1: had been held captive in his bedroom for over twenty years.
Speaker 2: I just can't even believe that this is true. Now
Speaker 2: her defense attorney is like, no, you have this all wrong.
Speaker 2: This is she's innocent, and it's just like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: this guy was five foot nine and seventy pounds, a
Speaker 2: grown man who's been abused by his wicked stepmother since
Speaker 2: he was starting in fourth grade, it accounts, and he's
Speaker 2: talking to police and telling them everything that he was,
Speaker 2: which is this is interesting that he went to school
Speaker 2: and he was asking people for food and then he
Speaker 2: started stealing it and picking it out of the trash,
Speaker 2: and then she found the rappers, and then she would
Speaker 2: do more punishment on him and stuff, and it got
Speaker 2: to the point where they she disenrolled him from school,
Speaker 2: and then the Division of or the Department of Children
Speaker 2: and Families actually went to the house to see where
Speaker 2: he was, because I mean, I guess that's the benefit
Speaker 2: of when children are in public school because they have
Speaker 2: to be accounted for at that point. So the state's
Speaker 2: just like, what's going on with this kid. You can't
Speaker 2: just take a kid out of school in the middle
Speaker 2: of fourth grade unless you're homeschooling them and you have
Speaker 2: documentation of that. So they go and investigate, and they
Speaker 2: were called apparently a couple times, and then finally the
Speaker 2: stepmom was filed a harassment complaint saying that they had
Speaker 2: no reason to be going there. And at that point
Speaker 2: he kind of fell out of the system and just
Speaker 2: nobody went back and checked every again again. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's so concerning.
Speaker 1: I see this as a total failure of the system
Speaker 1: because you know, there was many people, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: reading this privy to what was going on. They said
Speaker 1: there was an uncle that was staying at the house
Speaker 1: and he eventually they told him he couldn't stay there anymore.
Speaker 1: So you have to think another adult knows about this.
Speaker 1: What was his father doing about this. His father didn't
Speaker 1: even die until last January, so this has been going
Speaker 1: on for twenty years and the father was just letting
Speaker 1: this happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the weird thing is, though, is that at
Speaker 2: some point someone had called an investigator, because even that
Speaker 2: uncle that was staying there was just like, we've been
Speaker 2: asking about the kid. Then they said that they they
Speaker 2: had said they hadn't seen him in years. I guess
Speaker 2: they were implying that he ran away or something. And
Speaker 2: the uncle was trying to talk to an investigator, and
Speaker 2: the investigator suggested, maybe you should try to see if
Speaker 2: you could find a death certificate for the kid. Maybe
Speaker 2: he ran away and he died or something. And I mean,
Speaker 2: like that guy was staying there though, and I'm not
Speaker 2: sure he didn't seem like he knew that the kid
Speaker 2: was there. That's that's what I'm saying, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: he he did bring up that I haven't seen the kid,
Speaker 2: and something's weird here. So, and the kid was locked
Speaker 2: the kid, he's thirty two years old. He was locked
Speaker 2: in a room and given two sandwiches a day. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was he was locked away. So there is a possibility,
Speaker 2: I guess that a person could be living in a
Speaker 2: house and nobody would know that the person was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess we just don't really know
Speaker 1: the layout of the house and where people were allowing
Speaker 1: them to go, because if you think about it, most
Speaker 1: of the time, like I mean, I my house isn't
Speaker 1: set up like this. But if you were to have
Speaker 1: people over your house for Christmas, for example, like you're
Speaker 1: not gonna like have people go upstairs like your house
Speaker 1: guests go upstairs, right, So like if people are visiting
Speaker 1: the home, they're not going in every single room of
Speaker 1: your home anyway, so they might just not know what's
Speaker 1: going on in more private area of the house, like
Speaker 1: the betroom areas. But I just think this is really
Speaker 1: concerning because they're saying that there was two half sisters
Speaker 1: living at the house, so there's other children living there too,
Speaker 1: but their friends were never allowed to come over in
Speaker 1: case of this being discovered. And then the kid had
Speaker 1: a window in his room, but he was scared to
Speaker 1: death to open it because he didn't one further retaliation,
Speaker 1: And then the older he got, the more severe the
Speaker 1: punishment got and the locks got. At first, they were
Speaker 1: letting him go out of the house a couple hours
Speaker 1: a day to do chores, and then by the time
Speaker 1: he was fourteen fifteen, he was only allowed to go
Speaker 1: out for fifteen minutes at a time, and then I
Speaker 1: guess at some point he was never allowed to go out.
Speaker 2: So I just don't know how this woman possibly thinks
Speaker 2: she's getting away with this just based on his appearance alone.
Speaker 2: Like I said, he was five nine and seventy pounds.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's he was near death's store at
Speaker 2: that weight, just as it is. His hair was dirty
Speaker 2: and matted together, his teeth were rotten. I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but how are you going to get away with that
Speaker 2: and say that you're innocent. There's just no reason that
Speaker 2: an adult would be living. And she looks like she's
Speaker 2: got makeup on, even though it's terrible, but like she
Speaker 2: looks well nourished and like she's got clothes on and
Speaker 2: her hair's brought you know what I mean. Like it's
Speaker 2: a clear case of abuse, and it's just terribly sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. This is what her attorney said. Quote,
Speaker 1: he was not locked in a room, She did not
Speaker 1: restrain him in any way, She provided food, she provided shelter. Okay,
Speaker 1: then why would they search the house? Did they find
Speaker 1: this like plywood and special lock system on his bedroom
Speaker 1: that clearly he couldn't get out.
Speaker 2: I'm curious when the fire happened, since she got out
Speaker 2: to safety, if she told the fire department, if there
Speaker 2: was someone else in there, or they found him when
Speaker 2: they were searching.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about that too, And I'm wondering. I mean,
Speaker 1: he clearly was so desperate to get out. He maybe
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't even care if I die, Like,
Speaker 1: at least.
Speaker 2: I believe that he actually said that. He was just like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm either gonna get out or I'm
Speaker 2: gonna die either way.
Speaker 1: Like, so, when his dad died last January, he was
Speaker 1: able to leave for a little bit, I guess, to
Speaker 1: grieve his dad. Like, how nice of this lady, right,
Speaker 1: And then he was wearing an old jacket of his
Speaker 1: dad's and that's where he found the lighter. Because of course,
Speaker 1: I was like, how did he even get access to that?
Speaker 2: This is interesting actually too, because so you're saying he
Speaker 2: was allowed to leave, so he presumably went to some
Speaker 2: kind of a funeral or something.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he went to a funeral. I
Speaker 1: think he was allowed to leave the room.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so he didn't leave the house. Because I
Speaker 2: was going to say, who the hell saw this guy
Speaker 2: in this condition and wasn't like, what is happening here? No? No,
Speaker 2: he was allowed to leave the room. And you know,
Speaker 2: now he's safe and he's in a hospital, and that's great.
Speaker 2: But I'm just thinking, like, you're thirty two years old,
Speaker 2: How in the world is this? How are you ever
Speaker 2: going to recover from this?
Speaker 1: He's going to have he even though he seems like
Speaker 1: you know, when I first read about this, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe he had like some mental
Speaker 1: disorder on top of being held captive and everything, but
Speaker 1: how can you not form one after being abused in
Speaker 1: this type of way for so long? I mean, I
Speaker 1: have even if he gets healthy and he's in treatment
Speaker 1: and everything, he's gonna have severe PTSD from this the
Speaker 1: rest of his life. How is he ever gonna trust anybody?
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you saw just this morning, NBC
Speaker 1: reported about his biological mother. So apparently she had given
Speaker 1: up custody of him when he was a really little kid,
Speaker 1: and she had been looking for him in recent years
Speaker 1: and wasn't able to locate him. So that's what's weird
Speaker 1: to me too.
Speaker 2: It is weird. The whole story is just so weird,
Speaker 2: and it's just so it's so terrible that people would
Speaker 2: ever do this to a child and now an adult.
Speaker 2: I mean, she ruined his life. It's just that simple,
Speaker 2: and it's it's just so terrible.
Speaker 1: So the stepmom's facing charges of assault, kidnapping, and cruelty.
Speaker 1: I'm really interested for more details about this case, especially
Speaker 1: with other children being involved. Obviously the dad had some involvement,
Speaker 1: of course, because we just wrote about Ruby Frank, I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't really cover this in part one necessarily, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of similarities to this coming up in
Speaker 1: this week's part two, where we talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: her locking her kids in this like bunker and this
Speaker 1: Jodie woman's house and rubbing Cayenne Pepper in their wounds
Speaker 1: after she beat them, and starving them and writing these
Speaker 1: detailed diary entries about how she thought they were possessed
Speaker 1: by Satan, and it's just really terrible. It really is
Speaker 1: so all Right, the next case that we're talking about
Speaker 1: is another terrible case. So I read this article this
Speaker 1: week and I almost thought that it was a reprint
Speaker 1: of a story because it's so similar to another story
Speaker 1: that I believe that we've covered on here at some
Speaker 1: point on our podcast, and it's it's not it's happened again,
Speaker 1: and it's almost the same story. Well, I think this
Speaker 1: has happened a couple of times, and there was an
Speaker 1: episode there, you know that show I Survived. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was an episode about this with a woman that survived
Speaker 1: an attack like this. So basically, in Brazil, this woman
Speaker 1: shows up to the hospital with a newborn baby, claiming
Speaker 1: she just gave birth to it. And then the hospital
Speaker 1: is getting a little concerned because there's no signs at
Speaker 1: all that she was pregnant or just gave birth. So
Speaker 1: they have the police look into this, and they go
Speaker 1: to her house and as they're searching the house, they
Speaker 1: find this dead teenager buried in her backyard and more shockingly,
Speaker 1: she clearly had a baby cut out of her stomach.
Speaker 2: So this sounds familiar to you guys, right, because there
Speaker 2: was a case back in twenty nineteen in Chicago where
Speaker 2: it was so wait, we didn't say how how she
Speaker 2: got the pregnant woman, how she had access to her, No,
Speaker 2: So basically what happened is this lady was pregnant and
Speaker 2: she had a miscarriage. She didn't tell her family so
Speaker 2: they thought she was pregnant. I don't know how you're
Speaker 2: keeping up that ruse with everybody that you're interacting with daily,
Speaker 2: but obviously because especially especially because in theory you would
Speaker 2: be like, at least you don't have to be having
Speaker 2: sex with them, but at least like naked or getting
Speaker 2: undressed at some point in front of them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But and do you think I was wondering this too,
Speaker 1: I'm like, did she have a fake belly? Do you
Speaker 1: think she kept having sex with him hoping that she
Speaker 1: would get pregnant again to like self correct this issue.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But obviously there's a time limit on
Speaker 1: this because everybody thinks you're pregnant and you have to
Speaker 1: give birth eventually. So she lures this pregnant teenager to
Speaker 1: her house saying through Facebook, saying that she has a
Speaker 1: free baby clothing to give her. And I believe that's
Speaker 1: how the woman on I Survive got attacked too, was
Speaker 1: through like a Facebook marketplace ad for free baby clothes.
Speaker 2: So, and that's what happened in the case with Chicago
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. It was an ad on Facebook for
Speaker 2: free baby clothes, and there was another one that just
Speaker 2: happened in twenty twenty two with another Facebook ad, except
Speaker 2: this time the woman was pretending to give the pregnant
Speaker 2: woman a job opportunity. So fa f book has happened
Speaker 2: in many of these cases, which is super disturbing, and
Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, it's involved with lots of homicide.
Speaker 2: So you really should just never be meeting strangers on
Speaker 2: the internet. That's just like a given rule of life
Speaker 2: in general. But did you know that the number one
Speaker 2: manner of death in pregnant women is homicide. It's not
Speaker 2: actually a natural cause of death or an accidental cause
Speaker 2: of death is homicide. Yeah, so there's just something about
Speaker 2: pregnant ladies that people want to kill them. It is
Speaker 2: really terrifying actually, But yeah, so this lady shows up
Speaker 2: to the hospital. Now, if you go to the hospital
Speaker 2: and say I just had a big with a brand
Speaker 2: new baby, and you go there and say I just
Speaker 2: gave birth to this kid in my car, they're gonna
Speaker 2: want to examine you because they're gonna want to make
Speaker 2: sure that the placenta came out and then make sure
Speaker 2: it all came out because if it didn't, it could
Speaker 2: cause bleeding and it can cause infection. Serious complications. They
Speaker 2: just want to make sure you're not bleeding more than
Speaker 2: normal and they check you. So they do an examine
Speaker 2: this lady and like, duh, imagine giving birth to a
Speaker 2: huge baby, this was a term baby. Your your your
Speaker 2: vadge would look like there was like a little bit
Speaker 2: of trauma there, don't you think? So you're yeah, your
Speaker 2: vaginal canal would be stretched, your cervix would still be dilated,
Speaker 2: your uterus wouldn't even be done being contracted all the
Speaker 2: way down, And they just were like, yeah, no, like
Speaker 2: this didn't happen. And they they actually called police from
Speaker 2: the hospital and were like something's up here. And it's
Speaker 2: just so disturbing that you would you would kill a
Speaker 2: human and take that that person away from their mother,
Speaker 2: like that baby away from their mother. It's just so gross.
Speaker 1: But like why, you know, why would you also not
Speaker 1: tell your family you had a miscarriage and then go
Speaker 1: to these steps like what is going on with this person?
Speaker 2: Maybe she thought a baby was gonna save her marriage
Speaker 2: and he would be disappointed. I mean, like people get
Speaker 2: weird about stuff like that. Honestly, Like I don't think
Speaker 2: I just think that that's not super unusual that a
Speaker 2: husband might be disappointed or that's just that's life and
Speaker 2: that happens, especially in certain cultures, that definitely happens. It's
Speaker 2: more like, okay, well, like the rest of the world
Speaker 2: just has to have deal with the disappointment or whatever,
Speaker 2: because you can't hide that. And really having a miscarriage
Speaker 2: is it's super upsetting and you want to have support
Speaker 2: there and everything. I can't even imagine going through something
Speaker 2: like that, not only for the physical part of it,
Speaker 2: but just the mental part of it. Going through something
Speaker 2: like that and not telling anybody about it. She was
Speaker 2: probably just embarrassed for whatever reason, and it went from there.
Speaker 2: I just don't know what people are thinking that they
Speaker 2: could actually get away with this. It's just so it's
Speaker 2: so odd and nobody would question where the where the
Speaker 2: dead pregnant girl was, Like come on, it's just it's
Speaker 2: just outrageous.
Speaker 1: Well, you have to quit the husband's involvement too, because
Speaker 1: you're like, seriously, you didn't realize your wife wasn't pregnant
Speaker 1: for six months and like her belly wasn't getting bigger,
Speaker 1: and like again, like you're saying it, I'm sure ninety
Speaker 1: nine percent of married people get naked in front of
Speaker 1: each other besides having sex, So like, it's just really
Speaker 1: odd to me he didn't.
Speaker 2: I would make it in front of one of my
Speaker 2: family members every single day, whether it's getting out of
Speaker 2: the shower or whatever. Like it's just when you live
Speaker 2: in a house, Like I feel like it just happens.
Speaker 1: Well, Furthermore, they're saying that she buried this girl in
Speaker 1: a shallow grave, So like, would the husband have not
Speaker 1: eventually come across the whole dead body buried in his backyard?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think it's really lot of
Speaker 2: disturbing stories this week, especially like this one.
Speaker 1: This next case also involves Facebook.
Speaker 2: It's it's Facebook is just like a cesspool of crime.
Speaker 1: No, it really is. I mean you have to think
Speaker 1: like people. This new tool comes about like twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five years years ago. Right of course people use it
Speaker 1: for evil. It's what everybody's arguing about AI. It's cool
Speaker 1: to go on AI and Google, like make a picture
Speaker 1: of blah blah blah, right and have something funny to
Speaker 1: make fun of. Remember when I was putting my face
Speaker 1: on all those different years, so like make me look
Speaker 1: like a Victorian woman. Whatever, But somebody will use it
Speaker 1: for evil eventually anyway.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, they already are. They're putting like children's pictures
Speaker 2: on porn and stuff. It's fucking terrible.
Speaker 1: Uh all right, So last year, these two dogs have
Speaker 1: been taken to a shelter after their owner died from
Speaker 1: natural causes, but they ended up eating the owner before
Speaker 1: the person was discovered. So at the shelter, the dogs
Speaker 1: throw up this guy's toes and other remains. So then
Speaker 1: this woman, Joanna, goes into work at the shelter, finds
Speaker 1: the toes in a bin and thinks it's a good
Speaker 1: idea to bring the toes home, throw them in some
Speaker 1: formal dyde and try to sell them on Facebook. Like
Speaker 1: what you know what?
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, actually, and I really hope we
Speaker 2: could talk to somebody about this. Do you think face
Speaker 2: this book has a whole entire division that they deal
Speaker 2: with this particular stuff like crimes that happen because they
Speaker 2: they definitely get reported to them and they have police
Speaker 2: contact them, FBI contact them all the time to look
Speaker 2: into certain people. I'm just like really curious of that
Speaker 2: aspect of Facebook.
Speaker 1: Well, it's my understanding that things like this are delegated
Speaker 1: to the FBI because they're online. So I would think
Speaker 1: the question is is does the FDI. Does the FBI
Speaker 1: have a division specifically for Facebook.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure they do. I'm sure they have a
Speaker 2: whole entire social media like a division of multiple people.
Speaker 2: I actually could find that out because I know somebody
Speaker 2: that works there. But anyway, so I'll get back to
Speaker 2: you guys on that. But so, she she's in some
Speaker 2: active member Facebook group where specimens are bought and sold,
Speaker 2: and she heard that she could get up to two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars if she sold these two. Oh,
Speaker 2: so that's why she decided to do it. Are there
Speaker 2: like pictures of these posts that she made on Facebook?
Speaker 2: By any chance, I'll have to do a deep dive
Speaker 2: for them. We need to find that, because I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: I never like this is very interesting that this story
Speaker 2: came up today because I never even thought about this,
Speaker 2: like this happens. This just happened with Gene Hackman, for example,
Speaker 2: like him and his wife died at the house, and
Speaker 2: they brought the dogs that survived somewhere somebody as the dogs.
Speaker 2: And I brought this up last week that I was
Speaker 2: curious as to how the dogs were eating this entire
Speaker 2: time that nobody was feeding them, so that information has
Speaker 2: never been released. This is just something I'm assuming, but
Speaker 2: just the many times that we know that, you know,
Speaker 2: pets eat their owners when they die. I'm really really
Speaker 2: curious to see what happens when these pets go to
Speaker 2: a vet office. If any of you work in a
Speaker 2: vet office, like I would just never would think that
Speaker 2: they might throw up and have human body parts in it.
Speaker 2: It's just very disturbing. But it seems like the woman
Speaker 2: wasn't working at there at the time, and maybe one
Speaker 2: of her co workers told her about it, and they
Speaker 2: it seems like she took them out of the trash
Speaker 2: and then put them in from aldehyde and brought them
Speaker 2: home like it's just okay, Like that's how you want
Speaker 2: to make two hundred and fifty dollars. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess my question is how do you think you're
Speaker 1: not getting in trouble for that? Also, I was really
Speaker 1: curious how a group that's dedicated to selling and buying
Speaker 1: specimens is not prohibited on Facebook. But I guess that
Speaker 1: taxidermy sales are legal, correct, so like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and certain certain things are. It depends too, because
Speaker 2: she was in Australia. Right, Yeah, so certain countries have
Speaker 2: different laws. I mean, you're not allowed to buy every
Speaker 2: single animal that's taxidermied either some of them are illegal,
Speaker 2: other times some of them are considered like exempt because
Speaker 2: they're front. They're maybe an old specimen, like a really
Speaker 2: really like an animal that maybe wasn't considered endangered in
Speaker 2: the past, or even one that might have been. But
Speaker 2: the taxi Army was done in the twenties, so it's
Speaker 2: you know, like stuff like that. There's like all these
Speaker 2: rules which I don't know what they are, but I mean,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how Facebook monitors things like that
Speaker 2: because the rules change state to state, country to country,
Speaker 2: and if it's a group that has members from all
Speaker 2: over the world in it, I don't really know how
Speaker 2: they monitor that. But I'm pretty sure that we know
Speaker 2: they're not monitoring a lot. I think that they created
Speaker 2: this and they just, you know, we say this all
Speaker 2: the time. They just create these things and think of
Speaker 2: all the great and they don't think about all the bad,
Speaker 2: and then all the bad starts happening and they just
Speaker 2: can't stay on top of it. They don't know how
Speaker 2: to stay on top of it.
Speaker 1: Like people going on live streams and cutting off other
Speaker 1: people's heads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just all of that stuff. So, I mean, and
Speaker 2: it's like someone just got We said that the person
Speaker 2: got murdered on. Was that on TikTok or YouTube? The
Speaker 2: one we talked about earlier today was YouTube?
Speaker 1: Right, that was YouTube?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and there's going to be a certain level.
Speaker 1: Of I don't know it was a YouTuber, but she.
Speaker 2: Was live streaming. I guess we don't know where she
Speaker 2: was live streaming. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that because if she had a popular YouTube,
Speaker 1: she would be her title would be a YouTuber, but
Speaker 1: she could have been theory been live streaming on another
Speaker 1: so she had a platform.
Speaker 2: But regardless, like it's just I mean, how do you
Speaker 2: prevent all of it? So anyway, this lady's getting in trouble.
Speaker 2: She's facing up to two years in prison.
Speaker 1: She was facing up to two years in prison, but
Speaker 1: she made a plea deal, so she ended up getting
Speaker 1: sentenced with eighteen month non custodial sentence, which includes one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty hours of community service. So I yeah,
Speaker 1: could I guess I don't think she should go to
Speaker 1: jail for it. Yeah, she didn't.
Speaker 2: It's it's gross. I mean, if they were throwing them
Speaker 2: in the trash whatever, it's gross. But what's really gross
Speaker 2: is this next story is freaking gross. No, this is horrible.
Speaker 1: Last month in China, these two seventeen year olds were
Speaker 1: eating at a popular hot pot chain. So they're eating
Speaker 1: in this private dining room and they decide to make
Speaker 1: videos of them peeing in the hot pot and then
Speaker 1: they post it online and it goes viral. So of
Speaker 1: course people are freaking out.
Speaker 2: That have eaten at this restaurant. So listen, like in
Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things, I think we've talked about
Speaker 2: this before because unfortunately people pee in people's food and
Speaker 2: we have to talk about it. Urine is just the
Speaker 2: like the least inert I guess you would say of
Speaker 2: body fluids. It's not like you're drinking someone's blood, which
Speaker 2: could really expose you to bloodborne pathogens. Urine carries some stuff,
Speaker 2: but it's not it's it's not terrible. It's just more
Speaker 2: like it's just really the thought of it is just
Speaker 2: really gross. You could get certain like typhoid or something,
Speaker 2: but like in an average person, you're in a sterile
Speaker 2: inside the body and then it comes out and it
Speaker 2: and it hits your skin and it gets bacteria on it,
Speaker 2: and you I guess in theory you could get stick
Speaker 2: from some of that bacteria, but it's like not very
Speaker 2: likely for it to happen. But it's just freaking disgusting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it is really gross, and it seeming
Speaker 1: like the bigger problem with this story is that people
Speaker 1: alerted the restaurant, but they weren't taking the claim seriously,
Speaker 1: and then we're trying to allege that people were trying
Speaker 1: to hurt their reputation, and then by the time they
Speaker 1: finally took it seriously, that it was this greater issue.
Speaker 1: So they've offered a reason that they.
Speaker 2: Only take it seriously when they saw the viral video.
Speaker 1: But I think people were reporting it beforehand, so why
Speaker 1: aren't they taking it seriously?
Speaker 2: This is this is like a pretty big deal chain
Speaker 2: and there's even a couple hero I heart I think
Speaker 2: I've read. So now they're going to compensate all of
Speaker 2: these forty one hundred orders between the dates where they
Speaker 2: think that this happened with a full refund plus ten
Speaker 2: times that amount of money. So they're like scared shitless
Speaker 2: that this is going to affect their business because that's
Speaker 2: a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Well, I was wondering if because they were blowing it
Speaker 1: off at first, they had to really go hard on
Speaker 1: the refunds and giving extra because of how serious this
Speaker 1: is and how gross it is, and because they weren't
Speaker 1: taking it seriously, and then they were like, we have
Speaker 1: to do everything in our power to make it right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, if they just at first were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're so sorry, we're definitely going to
Speaker 1: refund people from these days, blah blah blah, they might
Speaker 1: not have had to take the extra step to make
Speaker 1: it right. But you can't act like people are just
Speaker 1: trying to hurt your reputation when there's like video of
Speaker 1: people pissing in the pot pots at your restaurant.
Speaker 2: All right, speaking of this, this is definitely the grossest
Speaker 2: video of the week.
Speaker 1: So this woman's in the Bronx. She's walking down the
Speaker 1: street and she sees this man take a dead rat
Speaker 1: off of the street and just start eating it.
Speaker 2: You watch this video and you just can't believe it.
Speaker 2: So to me, the grossest part because people eat rats.
Speaker 2: It's I know it's gross in America, but people in
Speaker 2: different cultures eat rats. It's just the way it is.
Speaker 2: It's really not any grosser than eating any kind of animal,
Speaker 2: except in New York City rat it's just extra gross
Speaker 2: because they're in the city and they're just eating whatever
Speaker 2: off of the ground, and they just seem the grosser
Speaker 2: than the average animal. Right, You're not really supposed to
Speaker 2: ever eat raw meat. It's never really considered safe, so
Speaker 2: if you cook it, then it kills off all of
Speaker 2: the bacteria and viruses that you could possibly and parasites
Speaker 2: that you could possibly get. Let's talk about gene Hackman,
Speaker 2: right and the haunt of virus. Now, it hasn't been
Speaker 2: found in New York City, so we don't have to
Speaker 2: worry about that, but in theory, you could get hantavirus
Speaker 2: for eating a rodent like that raw and uncooked, because
Speaker 2: you'll be eating their fecal matter, which is how you
Speaker 2: contract that virus like salmonella leptosporiasis. Like this is really
Speaker 2: really bad.
Speaker 1: Obviously, it seems like this person was having some mental
Speaker 1: health issues because why would you just pick up a
Speaker 1: dead rat and eat it like that? And it seems
Speaker 1: like in this video he's like giving it a mini
Speaker 1: dissection in his hands first, and then when he pulls
Speaker 1: up to his mouth and takes the bite, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: in my mind, he's just like biting the fur, right. No,
Speaker 1: there's like this gross white string of organ that comes
Speaker 1: between his mouth and the rats. So discussing he.
Speaker 2: Could totally be out of his mind, which is possible,
Speaker 2: but like it's the same as a conversation that we
Speaker 2: had about the guy that was catching the pigeon in
Speaker 2: the bag in New York City as well, Like people
Speaker 2: are coming from other cultures and maybe they eat that
Speaker 2: wherever he's from. I don't know. It's nasty, but whatever,
Speaker 2: Like it's it's who cares what the dude eat if
Speaker 2: she wants to eat it, Like it's not hurting you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're saying the New York City officials are
Speaker 1: trying to like locate him and try.
Speaker 2: To get him help you, I mean, like listen, like
Speaker 2: he's probably gonna get sick with something, but like whatever,
Speaker 2: so like that that's just whatever. How's that going to
Speaker 2: hurt other? I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1: Like you're saying, though, some people eat rats and other cultures,
Speaker 1: but typically they are cooked, so I think it's pretty unusual.
Speaker 1: To just pick up a dead rodent off of the
Speaker 1: ground and then start snacking on it. But let's move
Speaker 1: on to questions of the day. Every Friday at the
Speaker 1: app Mother knows that Instagram account, You guys could head
Speaker 1: over to our story and ask us whatever you want. First,
Speaker 1: would mass casualties after wars call for autopsies on each
Speaker 1: deceased person?
Speaker 2: I would say No. There might be circumstances where there's
Speaker 2: there's an attack or something on a building and they
Speaker 2: weren't sure if it was friendly fire or not, so
Speaker 2: they might do some investigation to see if they could
Speaker 2: figure out what caused that in a very smaller group
Speaker 2: of people. But to do mass casualty events, no, all right.
Speaker 1: Two, can you see changes on the brain of someone
Speaker 1: with severe mental health disorders?
Speaker 2: So if the person was having depression or something before death,
Speaker 2: and let's say you did the autopsy and it turns out, oh,
Speaker 2: they had a brain tumor or something, then yes, you
Speaker 2: would see that. If you would see Parkinson's, which and
Speaker 2: these types of disease could have they could have an
Speaker 2: effect on mental health, Alzheimer's and things like that. So
Speaker 2: you could see things like that. But as far as
Speaker 2: just straightforward like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression. You can't see that,
Speaker 2: and you can't even see it under the microscope. In fact,
Speaker 2: there's not even imaging really that could show that stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, unfortunately it's a chemical thing that's going on
Speaker 2: or a structural thing that they just can't identify under
Speaker 2: the microscope as of yet.
Speaker 1: All Right, last favorite cult classic movies.
Speaker 2: So I had to look up what was considered a
Speaker 2: cult classic because one of the first things that popped
Speaker 2: in my brain was like Killer Clowns from Outer Space
Speaker 2: or some crazy movie like that, which I love that movie,
Speaker 2: by the way, But then when I looked it up,
Speaker 2: it's every single movie. There's list of one hundred movies,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I've seen all these movies and
Speaker 2: they're great.
Speaker 1: So well, I think it's defined as like a movie
Speaker 1: that has a niche following but wasn't like you would
Speaker 1: want to think about Tim Burton movies, right, Like, it's
Speaker 1: a very niche following, but they don't count because they
Speaker 1: were like box office hits. So it's these weird, obscure,
Speaker 1: obscure movies that have niche followings but were not initially hit.
Speaker 1: So like when I'm thinking of it. I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: like Malret, Princess Bride, Napoleon Dynamite, like weird artsy movies,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And I love all those movies, and
Speaker 1: probably like Hairspray. Yeah, i'd say hairs like that, the
Speaker 1: original Hairspray, I think, yeah, ye, where Harrishbray was a
Speaker 1: pretty big box office hit. I would say the most
Speaker 1: popular now is probably like Big Lebowski, right for us,
Speaker 1: probably like Rome and Michelle, but things like that.
Speaker 2: I love Rome and Michelle, and the new one's coming out,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I listen, that's cool and everything, but I think they
Speaker 1: should just stop touching things that are perfect.
Speaker 2: Wait did you see that a trailer came out for
Speaker 2: the new Freaky Friday? No? I didn't it, did it does?
Speaker 2: It's like, e of course it's.
Speaker 1: Because these movies are I don't know if people that
Speaker 1: listen would consider Freaky Friday to be great per se,
Speaker 1: but in our household it was pretty big. So I
Speaker 1: love that movie.
Speaker 2: I must. They were saying that that Mean Girls is
Speaker 2: a cult classic, and I'm like, what this is what?
Speaker 2: I'm kind of confused because a lot of the movies
Speaker 2: on there, Like I wrote some down on like kill Bill,
Speaker 2: which I love. I love like any Tarantino movie, so
Speaker 2: but I don't know, like I saw it at the
Speaker 2: movie theater, just I don't I don't consider a cult classic,
Speaker 2: but I guess it is. Like That's why I think
Speaker 2: like Killer Clowns from Outer Space is an example, because
Speaker 2: it's like a low budget, like weird A lot of
Speaker 2: people haven't heard of it. But then you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: When I think of these movies, I think of what
Speaker 1: you're saying, like low budget, but they're like artsy and
Speaker 1: they're weird, right, They're not like the you know what's
Speaker 1: like a big movie. They're not like Barbie Last Year Oppenheimer,
Speaker 1: like these movies that are designed to be this giant
Speaker 1: box office.
Speaker 2: But like so many movies are like that that we watch.
Speaker 2: But they even had like sixteen candles and stuff on
Speaker 2: the list, and I'm like, I don't want to put
Speaker 2: that in that category to me, But maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you. I think that it's
Speaker 1: up to interpretation. But I think for me, it's like
Speaker 1: I love The Big Lebowski. I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the bigger ones. If you're gonna go with, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That one's great.
Speaker 1: I think Princess Brian's pretty big too, though, Like, but
Speaker 1: was it a huge hit when it first came out.
Speaker 1: It is such a weird movie.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just love I love movies like that.
Speaker 2: I mean because I like, I really love watching a
Speaker 2: movie that just has a like a more original idea
Speaker 2: that hasn't been done before, which is kind of impossible anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't seen I don't know, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not a movie connoisseur, but like I don't need to be.
Speaker 2: I'm a consumer, and like shit's been lame, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, movies definitely have not been as good the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, but hopefully they'll be on a
Speaker 1: path to getting better.
Speaker 2: I think show I read an article the other day
Speaker 2: that they're just never gonna get better and they were
Speaker 2: blaming it on COVID a lot, but which, well, listen,
Speaker 2: I understand that that that's totally a thing, but like
Speaker 2: I'm just over all of these actors and they're just
Speaker 2: so self important and like, I don't know, I just
Speaker 2: I like, back in the day, I think there was
Speaker 2: so much mystery to famous people that you were just
Speaker 2: intrigued by their glamorous lifestyle and you didn't really know
Speaker 2: them as a person but more as an actor. And
Speaker 2: now all these people talk and you're just like, eh,
Speaker 2: could you just like there's certain people that I used
Speaker 2: to love that now I'm like, like, I don't ever
Speaker 2: want to watch her movie again. You suck so bad,
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, definitely, So it's not helping them, I think though.
Speaker 1: Another thing they consider is that TV shows used to
Speaker 1: just be like the sitcoms we used to watch and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, right, and now TV shows have taken
Speaker 1: on this new cinematic element to them, and I think
Speaker 1: that's taking away from movies, because why make a two
Speaker 1: hour movie when you could make a limited series with
Speaker 1: eight episodes and tell the story in a longer form
Speaker 1: over eight episodes and have it be more compelling, you know? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I think so like when like a lot of times,
Speaker 2: you see a movie and you love it so much
Speaker 2: and then there's never any more it. It's just like that's it,
Speaker 2: and you never get a sequel and there's never anything
Speaker 2: else again. And and this too, Like that makes sense
Speaker 2: that you're saying that reactually because people could just be
Speaker 2: at like home and their pajamas watching it all the time,
Speaker 2: and there it's just a sad because the movies used
Speaker 2: to be so glamorous, but they never really were when
Speaker 2: I was a kid. But it was packed when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, though, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just with shows and stuff, because like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm watching Severance right now, and I'm just thinking, like,
Speaker 1: you could never make that type of story into a
Speaker 1: two hour movie. It just would not cut, like cut
Speaker 1: the same way, you know, Like some of these shows
Speaker 1: that I think are some of these movies maybe that
Speaker 1: are in the process of getting made. I think people
Speaker 1: realize they'll do bet better as a series as far
Speaker 1: as storytelling, and you're gonna make so much more money
Speaker 1: because you're gonna have way more ads to put in,
Speaker 1: Like you're saying you can have a couple of year
Speaker 1: run instead of a one off. So I think that's
Speaker 1: more about why they're being affected so much.
Speaker 2: It's a bummer because I look, I do look every
Speaker 2: single weekend and think like, maybe we can go to
Speaker 2: the movies. And really, the best time when we were
Speaker 2: going to the movies all the time was during COVID
Speaker 2: because nothing was coming out and they were playing old
Speaker 2: movies and they were only charging five dollars a person.
Speaker 2: Like I took the kids, what did I take them
Speaker 2: to see recently? I don't even remember what it was.
Speaker 2: I took them to see, like the four of them,
Speaker 2: them and their friends or whatever to go see the movie.
Speaker 2: And it's just like it costs eighty some dollars and
Speaker 2: that was just for the tickets, Like, like, who wants
Speaker 2: to who wants to do that?
Speaker 1: I do because I want the popcorn and the cherry coke.
Speaker 1: But but when you but it's because it's you, or
Speaker 1: maybe you and Ricky, but when you start like having
Speaker 1: kids and then you have to buy it for multiple people.
Speaker 1: It's nice once in a while, but that's that's not
Speaker 1: something you can do once a week or a couple
Speaker 1: times a week.
Speaker 2: It's just a lot of money. Yeah, you can watch
Speaker 2: it for whatever at home. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Ricky actually hates the movies, which really bums me out.
Speaker 1: I've gone by myself a couple of times, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just have the afternoon to do nothing, and I
Speaker 1: really want popcorn and coke and I want to watch
Speaker 1: a movie in silence. All right, Well, thank you guys
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