WEBVTT - Sudiksha Konanki, Deadly Tornadoes, Man Held Captive by Stepmom, NYC Man Eats Rat, and More!

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be talking about the continuing drama of Gene

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<v Speaker 2>Hackman and his wife's death. A YouTuber who was killed

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<v Speaker 2>after revealing their location, a man who was held captive

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<v Speaker 2>by a stepmother for years, a baby cut out of

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<v Speaker 2>a pregnant teenager, a woman trying to sell toes on

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet, a man who just ate a rat in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of New York City, and reasons why I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to send my kids away to college. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's get started with Gene Hackman again for the third

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<v Speaker 2>week in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I thought we were definitely done talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>Gene Hackman case. But now Betsy, his wife's doctor, has

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<v Speaker 1>come out to say that she called him the day

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<v Speaker 1>after police said she died.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I think this is kind of duchey by

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor, and I really don't understand what the point

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly, except to get publicity for himself. Because the

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<v Speaker 2>medical examiner said quote, based on the circumstances, it is

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable to conclude that Betsy passed away. First with February

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<v Speaker 2>eleventh being the last time that she was known to

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<v Speaker 2>be alive, which is true, that's the last time that

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<v Speaker 2>we heard from her. And they said multiple times that

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<v Speaker 2>this is and it's an estimate, like there's no internal

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<v Speaker 2>clock that people have that tell you exactly what time

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<v Speaker 2>and day they died. You're just doing it based upon

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<v Speaker 2>the investigation and based upon what you see at autopsy,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you could estimate based on like, Okay, these changes

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be seen in a couple of days, This might

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<v Speaker 2>take a couple of weeks, based on the environment and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that. But there's there's no one ever said

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a magic date that that was the

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<v Speaker 2>day that she definitely died. And this doctor is just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a douchebag for even bringing that up, in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, unless you're on Yellowstone season five and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses or anything, remember I was telling you about that,

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<v Speaker 1>they were they're like, oh, he died at this exact time,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was no video footage, there's no witnesses, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you know he died at that exact minute

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<v Speaker 1>from the autime?

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<v Speaker 2>See? And then the doctor, this doctor was also so

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<v Speaker 2>he first started off saying that She wasn't his patient.

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<v Speaker 2>She was referred by a friend to this doctor, so

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't really know anything about her because he's never

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<v Speaker 2>really physically examined her. But he had to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that he kept saying she didn't have any respiratory symptoms, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>who cares, what does that have to do with anything?

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<v Speaker 2>I told you guys last week that or whenever this

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<v Speaker 2>information came out. That was last week that we went

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<v Speaker 2>over this, that the haunted virus, when you get the

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<v Speaker 2>infection and then when you start showing symptoms, it could

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<v Speaker 2>be anywhere from one week to five weeks after you're

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to it. But I told you that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the first three to six days of the virus, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't start showing any respiratory symptoms. So she could have

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<v Speaker 2>called because she just was feeling like it was just

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<v Speaker 2>coming on and she was feeling unwell, and so she

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have had any respiratory symptoms. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember me saying that once the cardio pulmonary

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<v Speaker 2>symptoms come on, then that's it could be very rapid

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<v Speaker 2>that your lung spill up with fluid and everything. So

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<v Speaker 2>that could have happened like we said, she went out

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<v Speaker 2>on that one day and then she wasn't heard from again,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when that could have happened at her house,

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<v Speaker 2>and it could have just came on very quick, within

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours, maybe even faster, that she went from

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<v Speaker 2>feeling okay to dead. So what exactly is this doctor

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do except stir up drama and confusion that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't need to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I agree with you, especially because he was saying

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<v Speaker 1>that she was supposed to come in later that So

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<v Speaker 1>the police are saying she died on February eleventh. The

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<v Speaker 1>doctor is saying she called on February twelve and that

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<v Speaker 1>she was supposed to come in later that afternoon and

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<v Speaker 1>never showed up. But she had called them that morning.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's it a difference of less than twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours that he's trying to clear up. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>she called them a week later. That would be something

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<v Speaker 1>more substantiactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And also you're saying she didn't have any respiratory symptoms,

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<v Speaker 2>like you didn't examine her, you didn't listen to her test,

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<v Speaker 2>You do not know what was going on in her body,

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<v Speaker 2>and clearly she's dead, Okay. So she was pretty not

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<v Speaker 2>feeling well. I'll say that, right, we don't know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on, but don't try to put out

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<v Speaker 2>within the public by sight putting this out because you're

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<v Speaker 2>not proving anything. And in fact, the fact that you're

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor makes me just think that you sound like

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<v Speaker 2>an idiot, like you should know all this.

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<v Speaker 1>But did the police just come across this phone record

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<v Speaker 1>when they were doing their investigation, because there was no

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<v Speaker 1>mention of an outco and call from her, well, they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Still examining the cell phones, as do you remember they

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<v Speaker 2>said that they listen, I'm telling you right now, just

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm in this field and everything, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>they did a really good job just based on everything

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<v Speaker 2>that I know so far, and I'm just I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of annoyed by this. They even said last week

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<v Speaker 2>when they gave out that she had haunt a virus

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<v Speaker 2>and he died from the Alzheimer's and the heart disease,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, the investigation's not closed. They're still looking into

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<v Speaker 2>the cell phones that were found in the house, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were still waiting for the dog. That results also

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<v Speaker 2>came back that that the dog starved to death and

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<v Speaker 2>was dehydrated, which we knew was going to have happened

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<v Speaker 2>as predicted, so so they could close that part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're still looking at the cell phone records. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter. Like like I said, that, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>just have haunt a virus in your system, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was other things seen at autopsy too that would have

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<v Speaker 2>concurred that. So I just think that this doctor just,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all of a sudden, it's like his name's

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<v Speaker 2>in the news everywhere, and everybody's looking up his business

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<v Speaker 2>in his name. That's all that's about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not helping either with all the online saluits

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<v Speaker 1>that think there's this like grand conspiracy theory that there's

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<v Speaker 1>something more nefarious going on behind the scenes. It's pretty straightforward,

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<v Speaker 1>just like it's just it's not necessary information to have

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<v Speaker 1>out there. It's just a matter of a couple hours

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<v Speaker 1>of difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so whatever, let's we don't need to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this anymore. I got actually annoyed by that doctor. It

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<v Speaker 2>just pissed me off. Let's talk about this really scary

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<v Speaker 2>situation that happened with the YouTuber. Yeah, so in Japan,

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<v Speaker 2>this twenty two year old YouTuber was doing a live

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<v Speaker 2>stream and then all of a sudden, her viewers heard

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<v Speaker 2>some screaming before the feed cut off. So it turns

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<v Speaker 2>out that she had borrowed money from this guy a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago, and she didn't pay him back,

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<v Speaker 2>and even though they had been in contact with the

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<v Speaker 2>police about the money and everything, they just never got

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<v Speaker 2>it situated. So then when she announced her live stream,

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<v Speaker 2>he drove I think over sixty miles where she was

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<v Speaker 2>doing the live stream and then was able to see

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<v Speaker 2>the landmarks in the back of the video, and so

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<v Speaker 2>he used that to track her down and then stab terror. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's really scary.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>We I don't know if we've ever said this on

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<v Speaker 2>this program, but we've been like this as a social

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<v Speaker 2>media family that we've been on Instagram now since when

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<v Speaker 2>twenty and thirteen, a really long time. Yeah, we when

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<v Speaker 2>we go away, we never ever post pictures or say

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<v Speaker 2>anything about where we're going until we get back and

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<v Speaker 2>we're back home in our house from the trip. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, that's number one rule if you go on

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<v Speaker 2>social media a lot and people are following you, because

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<v Speaker 2>why would you ever let anybody know where you're at

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<v Speaker 2>in real time? That's just stupid unless you have, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're going to an event or something

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<v Speaker 2>in their security there. But why would you why would

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<v Speaker 2>you ever just be like, hey, I'm here right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just asking for trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, it happens so frequently other podcasts I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to, The women on those shows will be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my husband's going away this weekend, I'm going to be alone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why would you advertise that to the world?

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<v Speaker 1>Other women that I fall on, it's it's women in

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<v Speaker 1>particular that do this, and they're at the most risk.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel, not that men aren't, but I well.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have a crazy husband stepfather like you do, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like he would freeze. He's the Yes, he's the one

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that we're like that because he's constantly thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about terrible things.

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<v Speaker 1>These women are always on their instagrams being like home

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<v Speaker 1>alone this weekend of like what are you doing, or

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<v Speaker 1>posting pictures of the front of their house, or just

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<v Speaker 1>showing too much personal information showing that they're going out

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<v Speaker 1>going so and so, so and so hanging out with whoever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not smart and for us, it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>the same with the housewives. Honestly, like most people are

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<v Speaker 2>considered low risk because we're not doing anything that's like

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<v Speaker 2>really pissing people off, like political stuff or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can find a lot of stuff already online,

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<v Speaker 2>so you don't want to invite and give more information

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<v Speaker 2>than you need to. Anyway, what was the content, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what did they figure out if it was one of

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<v Speaker 2>her followers, Like what what was the relationship between the two.

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<v Speaker 2>So it said she had met this man in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one and she had convinced him to let her

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<v Speaker 2>borrow some money. So he said he led her two

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<v Speaker 2>million yen, which is equivalent to thirteen thy five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>US dollars, and that when she borrowed it, she never

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<v Speaker 2>returned it. So it seems like they had already been

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<v Speaker 2>working up with police and everything about the stolen money.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could consider the stolen money, So they

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<v Speaker 1>had already been working that out, and because she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>return it, it angered him. But where I'm confused is

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<v Speaker 1>he said he wasn't planning to kill her, But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're stabbing somebody, in my opinion, you're planning to kill them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe I don't know maybe his intentions were

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<v Speaker 2>to scare her, but then she was you know, her

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<v Speaker 2>reaction maybe triggered him to do it. But it doesn't matter. Really.

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<v Speaker 2>If you bring a weapon to anywhere and you're pretty

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<v Speaker 2>a flight, yeah, to a confrontation or for anything, then

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<v Speaker 2>if you use it, it doesn't matter. I guess he's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say, you know, you want to go premeditated

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<v Speaker 2>or not whatever. I don't know, but that's not gonna work, Bud.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Yeah, I mean, I think the grander message of

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<v Speaker 1>this entire story is, like, be smart about it. When

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<v Speaker 1>you buy a house, you don't have to post the

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<v Speaker 1>picture of the front of your house on Instagram. And

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to post a million pictures of your

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<v Speaker 1>children online and where they go to school and what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing, and when your.

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<v Speaker 2>Husband's not home.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay to keep some things to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not in this world, okay. So these tornadoes are insane.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been seeing videos of them all over the place,

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<v Speaker 2>and when we've drove cross country twice this year and

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<v Speaker 2>just driving out and seeing how flat it is and

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<v Speaker 2>nothing around, which is just so opposite of where we

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<v Speaker 2>live here. It's just to see to just imagine driving

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<v Speaker 2>down one of these roads and seeing a twister like

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<v Speaker 2>that would just I think I would just drop dead.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we all know, this is my biggest fear

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<v Speaker 1>of all time. This was It's quite a biblical event

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<v Speaker 1>that was going on throughout the country over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>There were I think Fox reported that over ninety tornadoes

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<v Speaker 1>broke out over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine this? No, but just seeing it, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we and we barely get storms like anywhere, We don't

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<v Speaker 2>ever get storms to that level. I think we've had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple, but it it's really scary to be in

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<v Speaker 2>your house when something's happening outside that you have absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>no control over. I would think in this area of

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<v Speaker 2>the country, since it happened so often, that most people

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<v Speaker 2>would either have at their house or have access to

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of storm shelters. And but I don't know.

0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I guess people don't because so many people died. Forty

0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.120
<v Speaker 2>two people died so far, at least that's a lot

0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.680
<v Speaker 2>of people. When you when you they were pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>posting all over the place. I don't know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>saw the map online that was rotating around, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>saw it right, Well, it's kind of a joke. So there,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I know the one you're talking. Okay, there

0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.920
<v Speaker 2>was explain it. Let me tell you guys if you

0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.080
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen it. So there was a map of this

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<v Speaker 2>whole area of the lower part of the country that

0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.600
<v Speaker 2>was I think it was kind of like New Orleans

0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.480
<v Speaker 2>was kind of in the middle of this, and it

0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.360
<v Speaker 2>went up into the Midwest. And it was one of

0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.920
<v Speaker 2>those maps that you know, they show the different colors

0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.240
<v Speaker 2>of probability of you being affected by this tornado, and

0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.920
<v Speaker 2>it just looked like the shape of a penis. And

0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.160
<v Speaker 2>and this map was going around and just kept saying

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<v Speaker 2>like hard winds are going to ram the country, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like stuff like that. It just was it just was

0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.800
<v Speaker 2>really funny. So but yeah, they that was going around

0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.199
<v Speaker 2>all over online that warning there's going to be really

0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:50.040
<v Speaker 2>high chance of having tornadoes all over this part of

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<v Speaker 2>the country, and it certainly happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so scary to think about. And there's this

0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:59.280
<v Speaker 1>crazy coincidence. So one hundred years ago today, March eighteenth,

0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty, there was this event that they called the

0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.120
<v Speaker 1>tri State Tornado. So this massive tornado went through Missouri,

0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Illinois and Indiana. It went for over four hours, It

0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.480
<v Speaker 1>spread across two hundred miles, and they killed nearly seven

0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:17.720
<v Speaker 1>hundred people. So that was the deadliest tornado in United

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<v Speaker 1>States history. I'm not sure if it's in world history,

0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.920
<v Speaker 1>but definitely in the United States. But I mean they

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of when they were talking about this situation,

0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.520
<v Speaker 1>they were discussing how hopefully it would never get to

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<v Speaker 1>this level again because of all the weather monitoring services

0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.800
<v Speaker 1>we have now and the ability to warn people with

0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.120
<v Speaker 1>cell phones and sirens and everything. But just think it

0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.640
<v Speaker 1>scary that was in nineteen twenty five, being in your house,

0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.800
<v Speaker 1>having absolutely no idea all the storm is coming, and

0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.280
<v Speaker 1>then it leveled out entire towns.

0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean back then you would just hear stories

0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.160
<v Speaker 2>of family members that might have been older that experienced

0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.439
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff from by happening. And I'm sure

0:13:55.440 --> 0:14:00.360
<v Speaker 2>there were books documenting it as well. But you have

0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.960
<v Speaker 2>to think, like I could tell you, over the course

0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.720
<v Speaker 2>of just this year alone, between Gabe going and being

0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.000
<v Speaker 2>deployed to these hurricanes, Remember I was thinking about that.

0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Remember they there was one of the hurricanes that he

0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.679
<v Speaker 2>had went to, and that it could have been Helene,

0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.080
<v Speaker 2>which was terrible for but it wasn't. I don't think

0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.520
<v Speaker 2>it was super terrible for Florida as bad as it

0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.880
<v Speaker 2>was for North Carolina. But there was one of the tornado.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't a hurricane occur around the same time too, There

0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.520
<v Speaker 2>were like back to back ones, but one of them

0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.280
<v Speaker 2>that they were just acting was going to be the

0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.000
<v Speaker 2>worst thing ever. And that guy that was the weather

0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.160
<v Speaker 2>castor in the news was crying saying it was going

0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to be so bad, and then it ended up that

0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:43.760
<v Speaker 2>was the one that was supposed to hit Tampa maybe

0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:48.080
<v Speaker 2>like whatever was the one that was directly before Helene, Okay,

0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.600
<v Speaker 2>the week before. So all I'm trying to say is

0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.160
<v Speaker 2>that a lot of times, and even this past weekend,

0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.880
<v Speaker 2>they were saying where we lived, that we were supposed

0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.520
<v Speaker 2>to get this tornado warnings and horrible thunderstorms and this

0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.440
<v Speaker 2>and that, and it's like, after a while, people just

0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:10.000
<v Speaker 2>stop listening. And that's the problem because boy who cried wolf? Yeah,

0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.200
<v Speaker 2>And I know that it's I mean, listen, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>predict weather for a living, and I'm sure it's difficult

0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.360
<v Speaker 2>because when they talk about all of this stuff, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's crazy. And we're getting better and better but all

0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.520
<v Speaker 2>they're doing. You just have to remember is that all

0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:26.640
<v Speaker 2>they're doing is predicting it, and there's really no repercussions

0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:31.240
<v Speaker 2>if they're if they're wrong or they're right. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's probably what the thing is like. If you

0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.560
<v Speaker 2>live in that part of the country, you probably get

0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.280
<v Speaker 2>these warnings all the time, and just people are just like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we just supposed to sit in a hole

0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.040
<v Speaker 2>in the ground that every single time we get one

0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.680
<v Speaker 2>of these, we get them for months on end every year.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my best friends from Wisconsin, and he's saying that,

0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.440
<v Speaker 1>you know this, this is nothing over there, Like they

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<v Speaker 1>would just sit in there in their kitchen and act

0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.960
<v Speaker 1>like nothing was happening when there's a twister on the

0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.680
<v Speaker 1>ground not that far from their house, whereas I'm hiding

0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.160
<v Speaker 1>in a closet in my base it when one touches

0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:02.920
<v Speaker 1>down five miles away from my house.

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<v Speaker 2>I keep seeing these videos and I just think, like,

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<v Speaker 2>how are these people dis close to this thing with

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<v Speaker 2>their phone and not freaking out and just hiding somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess it's really important to understand the differences

0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.840
<v Speaker 1>with the warnings. So I saw this really good graphic

0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:24.120
<v Speaker 1>last year. A tornado watch basically means there's the ingredients

0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.760
<v Speaker 1>to make a tornado, if you want to equate it

0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.200
<v Speaker 1>to a cake like this meme did, and then the

0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.040
<v Speaker 1>tornado warning means the cake has been made. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's another there's another warning level called a tornado emergency,

0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.040
<v Speaker 1>which means a tornado has formed reporter on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a direct threat to human life. So they

0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.160
<v Speaker 1>need to be a little really, get in your base.

0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:46.400
<v Speaker 1>We're not, but they need to be.

0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.200
<v Speaker 2>They just need to use a little bit more because

0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.400
<v Speaker 2>this is where people get screwed up with the two

0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:55.440
<v Speaker 2>W words warning. What does the difference between a warning

0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.280
<v Speaker 2>and a watch? Like you know what I mean? Like

0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.640
<v Speaker 2>the average person doesn't sit there and see those charts

0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.080
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about. You get it across your phone with

0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.720
<v Speaker 2>an emergency message and you're like, wait, is that the

0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.840
<v Speaker 2>bad one or the good one? That's what everybody says.

0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.480
<v Speaker 2>So they just need to come up with new terminology

0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.840
<v Speaker 2>or something to just make it less confusing for people,

0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.880
<v Speaker 2>especially people who live in the Midwest obviously are probably

0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.080
<v Speaker 2>just way more in tune to this. But for us,

0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.040
<v Speaker 2>when we only get maybe one or two tornado warnings

0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.439
<v Speaker 2>a year. If that, it's like every single person's just like,

0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:29.800
<v Speaker 2>what does this mean? Exactly?

0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. I mean I feel like for us, like

0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.479
<v Speaker 1>I get so scared when they happen because they didn't

0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.000
<v Speaker 1>happen our entire life. I could recall too before the

0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.480
<v Speaker 1>last couple of years that I ever remembered in my

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<v Speaker 1>whole life.

0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, you're gonna have to adapt. It's we're in a

0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:48.640
<v Speaker 2>tornado zone now.

0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:53.560
<v Speaker 1>No, we are, remember too nothing, So Maries Maria goes

0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.160
<v Speaker 1>and hides in a cabby in her house.

0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Whenever they say there's gonna be severe weather. We keep

0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.239
<v Speaker 2>joking that we're gonna put like a TV in that

0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.880
<v Speaker 2>little room for her, and like a bean bag chair.

0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I just told Louis last night, I won a wallpaper

0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.120
<v Speaker 1>and put a cute little rug.

0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.560
<v Speaker 2>In there, and maybe a bean bag like Maria's personal

0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.520
<v Speaker 2>hurricane shelter. Yeah, but watch the house gets sucked right

0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.040
<v Speaker 2>up and you're in like this prime zone of just

0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.800
<v Speaker 2>getting sucked right up into it. Well, everybody makes fun

0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.880
<v Speaker 2>of me, but you guys don't have the warnings quite

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.160
<v Speaker 2>like my neighborhood does. And once the couple we've had

0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.240
<v Speaker 2>in the last couple of years have touched down not

0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.760
<v Speaker 2>that far from my house, so it's not that far

0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:32.920
<v Speaker 2>fetched that I want to go in hiding about it.

0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.040
<v Speaker 2>But it's always when I'm home alone too that they

0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.280
<v Speaker 2>have and it is. There has never been a time

0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.879
<v Speaker 2>where I've been where Fricky's been home, where anybody's been

0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:41.280
<v Speaker 2>over here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always wan I'm by myself. It's just like really

0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.359
<v Speaker 1>adds to it. Then my phone goes on SOS mode.

0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is really great.

0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.000
<v Speaker 2>So you need to get one of those red landline

0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:57.040
<v Speaker 2>telephones or or something like that that only works in emergencies.

0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Know where to find me if it happen in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, what's going on with this?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So like let's talk about Saint Patrick's Day because

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't get it. I just don't. I don't

0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:18.639
<v Speaker 2>get it, like it can be, I don't care. But

0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really Irish, so I like, I'm not. Is

0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.560
<v Speaker 2>that why I don't get it? I don't know.

0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.119
<v Speaker 1>First of all, genetically you are Irish. I love Irish, I.

0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Said, I'm not really because I'm barely listen. I loved it.

0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.920
<v Speaker 2>So yesterday obviously, Saint Patrick's Day is a reason for celebration,

0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.680
<v Speaker 2>like an actual reason, because it's my daughter's birthday. Right,

0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.760
<v Speaker 2>So my dad came over, everybody came over last night.

0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.240
<v Speaker 2>We had dinner and cake and everything, and I was

0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.000
<v Speaker 2>so I was like cleaning the dishes in the other room.

0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.200
<v Speaker 2>But I overheard him say it, and I was so

0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:53.600
<v Speaker 2>happy to hear him ask Ricky, what exactly are you celebrating?

0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.240
<v Speaker 2>I never understood that my whole life. What are you celebrating?

0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.440
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, thank you, Like this guy gets it.

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.840
<v Speaker 2>I been saying, like, what's the It's an excuse, it's

0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.480
<v Speaker 2>not a celebration. It's an excuse to go out and

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.200
<v Speaker 2>get drunk. What are you celebrating?

0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.520
<v Speaker 1>You can't argue that about fourth of July? Do you

0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.920
<v Speaker 1>think people are really you're celebrating the birth of America

0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.840
<v Speaker 1>on that day? People there really are not celebrate America.

0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Listen, at least you could say that they are, like

0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.640
<v Speaker 2>there's an actual that's the reason that we're having that holiday,

0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Like what is the cell? What is Saint Patrick's Day?

0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:30.240
<v Speaker 2>And what is the celebration about?

0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.719
<v Speaker 1>This is a major glimpse into your of fun suckerness.

0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Because you're you don't you don't engage in normal young

0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.760
<v Speaker 1>people activities. Just let people go out and have fun.

0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:42.439
<v Speaker 2>If they want to say they can't, people could do

0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.760
<v Speaker 2>whatever they want. I just I just want an explanation.

0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.639
<v Speaker 1>So just sound like such a Karen about it. Just like,

0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.160
<v Speaker 1>if people want to go out every reason to celebrate,

0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:50.880
<v Speaker 1>let them listen.

0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.199
<v Speaker 2>I brought my kids and one of their friends to

0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.440
<v Speaker 2>the city this weekend, and I don't even understand how

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I possibly ended up like right in the smack in

0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.080
<v Speaker 2>the middle of both of the old Irish bars.

0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Because Philadelphia is an enormous place to celebrate.

0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, like everybody's walking around drunk in the middle of

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.640
<v Speaker 2>the day wearing green I just like, Okay, if it's fun,

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.679
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. I just I just don't get it. So

0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.359
<v Speaker 2>let's talk about what happened to these college students on

0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Saint Patrick's Day.

0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, at University of Pittsburgh, a bunch of college kids

0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.480
<v Speaker 1>were celebrating the holiday. Obviously, everybody's drinking. At some point

0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.840
<v Speaker 1>during this party, thirty people pile onto the roof of

0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:31.640
<v Speaker 1>this front porch and then it suddenly collapses obviously due

0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.040
<v Speaker 1>to the weight on it, and one of the most

0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:35.919
<v Speaker 1>concerning parts of this for me is the girl that

0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.400
<v Speaker 1>took the video of the roof collapsing is saying, well,

0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 1>everybody did it last year and there wasn't a problem.

0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 2>What so exactly so, and guess what, they're all wearing

0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.399
<v Speaker 2>green T shirts. Surprise. This is exactly why. This is

0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:54.000
<v Speaker 2>one of a few stories that I just this is

0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.000
<v Speaker 2>why I don't want my kids to go away to college.

0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Their brains are just not developed yet. When you see

0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.480
<v Speaker 2>this house, so it's a house, it's just like a

0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.280
<v Speaker 2>regular house, an older house. And they're standing on a

0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.800
<v Speaker 2>porch roof. It's not it's not that it was a

0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.119
<v Speaker 2>specific deck that was made on a second floor for

0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.919
<v Speaker 2>people to stand on. They're standing on the roof of

0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.360
<v Speaker 2>a porch. The roof of a porch is put on

0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.440
<v Speaker 2>so you don't get wet in the rain. There's no

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:21.720
<v Speaker 2>structural integrity to that to hold it up, to hold

0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 2>any weight beside shingles and maybe snow. Like, it's not

0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 2>made for thirty human beings that weigh over one hundred

0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 2>pounds to be standing on. That's that's outrageous to me.

0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:34.879
<v Speaker 1>No, And like, I'm not even really concerned about the

0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.560
<v Speaker 1>people who are on the roof getting her. I'm concerned

0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 1>about the people who are underneath of it and under.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, what's happening? Is it because they're all drunk? It

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<v Speaker 2>has to be right?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think people are just like really dumb anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I from being honest because we have stories a lot

0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 1>of times like this where people are completely sober and

0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:54.280
<v Speaker 1>doing dumb shit like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just a bad combination. And this is why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm anti sending my kids away to college. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like alcohol just makes you dumb, and then the brains

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<v Speaker 2>aren't formed altogether. It's just a big and then people

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<v Speaker 2>are just dumb, and then add weed into it. There's

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.359
<v Speaker 2>just a lot of dumbness going on. So like, I

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.159
<v Speaker 2>don't want my kids to go away and be in

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:17.760
<v Speaker 2>situations like that, because it's alarming that one person would

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<v Speaker 2>do it, let alone thirty and how many were standing

0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.879
<v Speaker 2>underneath of it. It's just like all of those brains

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<v Speaker 2>together still couldn't have figured out that that was a

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<v Speaker 2>bad idea.

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<v Speaker 1>The worst part for me is the university had to

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<v Speaker 1>on a roof, and I'm like, are we seriously at

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<v Speaker 1>this point where we're telling these people that are legally

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, we have this other story at a University

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 2>of Pittsburgh. Again. This is what makes me just not

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 2>want to send my kids away to college. And I

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 2>just like, I'm not into the trips with the young

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 2>kids all together, and the drinking. It's really like the

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.879
<v Speaker 2>drinking is makes things worse in my opinion. So why

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 2>don't we talk about this one?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, please forgive my pronunciation of this girl's name, Sudishka Kunanki.

0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:30.440
<v Speaker 1>She's twenty years old. She's a junior at University of Pittsburgh.

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.239
<v Speaker 1>So she went to Puna Kana on spring break with

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>some of her friends and on March sixth, her friend

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:37.880
<v Speaker 1>said they all went to the beach together and then

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.640
<v Speaker 1>she stayed behind with some people she met on the trip. Well,

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the last time they've seen her.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel tired. As soon as I heard about this,

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm getting Natalie Holloway vibes exactly now,

0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 2>is it? So? So, of course there's a guy involved.

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Well the story.

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:58.879
<v Speaker 1>You know, at first, when you hear of a girl

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>on a trip with their friend, of course you think

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:05.159
<v Speaker 1>of Natalie Holloway. But there's so many eerily similar details

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 1>between the two cases. So yeah, there's this guy involved

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:12.399
<v Speaker 1>named Joshua, so police have been questioning him. He's allegedly

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 1>the last person that's seen her alive. So he was

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 1>saying they were in waste deep water, talking and kissing

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.919
<v Speaker 1>a little when a big wave came in and swept

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:23.440
<v Speaker 1>them away. The hotel is saying that there were red

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>flags out that day indicating that there was really strong

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:29.399
<v Speaker 1>current and high waves. So I guess he's claiming that

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 1>they were swept away in this wave, but he was

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>able to get her back to shore and then he

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>turned around, and then when he turned back to ask

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.920
<v Speaker 1>her if she was okay, she wasn't there anymore. So

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.680
<v Speaker 1>he's he thinks that she's just walked up and left.

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, dude, you're on a beach. You would

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>see somebody for half a mile if they were walking away.

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Were they So that I guess my first question is

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:54.160
<v Speaker 2>did he come forth? Because I know they found him

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.879
<v Speaker 2>on surveillance videos, So is that how they found him

0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.159
<v Speaker 2>or he came forth and was like she I was

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 2>with her that night. I'm just curious.

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm exactly sure that detail what I think is really

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 1>interesting about this case is the police are saying there's

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 1>no suspects and they're treating it as a missing persons

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 1>and not necessarily as a homicide. But why did they

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.679
<v Speaker 1>take his passport away from him? And why are they

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>having police escort him everywhere he goes? So he's an

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.119
<v Speaker 1>American too, Yeah, so he's a student at University of Minnesota.

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 1>He's twenty two years old.

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:31.239
<v Speaker 2>So he so did they find him in Minnesota or

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:35.120
<v Speaker 2>was he still on the trip? When he's still there,

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't even think he's allowed to leave the country

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 2>rangew Okay, So well, I mean, I guess they're keeping

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.880
<v Speaker 2>him there because he's the only person. So I guess

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 2>that the theory could be correct because if they're saying

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 2>that you shouldn't have been out in the water, and

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 2>they were out in the water, which is possible because

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 2>people just ignore those signs. I guess what I'm having

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.159
<v Speaker 2>a hard time with is didn't they find her clothes

0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 2>on the beach or something?

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I did read that they found underclothes on the beach.

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.359
<v Speaker 1>And I'm definitely not saying he did it. I just

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:08.439
<v Speaker 1>think his account of what happened is kind of weird,

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and maybe he was drinking and he doesn't have good

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 1>memory of it or something because it was in the

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 1>middle of the night. I think they said it was

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 1>around four o'clock in the morning.

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:20.399
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's just odd that unless he was completely

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 2>wasted and just wasn't paying attention to really what was happening.

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 2>Just think in general, like, I mean, whatever they were doing,

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 2>they were on a date, right, So if you're just

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 2>on a date for a couple hours and then all

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden your date is just like gone, it's

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 2>just a little weird.

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they were on a date. I think

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 1>they were hanging out and then they just started hooking

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 1>up when everybody lived.

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 2>But still it's a date they were I mean, like,

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>people don't just like leave in the middle of a

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 2>hangout session. It's just odd.

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>So sure, I don't agree with that, but it's yours.

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Just like make out with a guy in the ocean

0:28:57.320 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 2>and go back to the beach and turn around, Oh,

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess, I guess we're here Like that. That's weird.

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it's like, hey, I'm leaving now, like it.

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 2>You don't just hang up on someone on the phone

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the conversation. It's kind of like.

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>That, Sure, if that's what you want to think. Sure,

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>but young people definitely do make out at parties and

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>stuff and just get up and walk away. I think

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 1>that the added element of them being in the ocean

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and then being swept up is interesting that, you know,

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>he's saying that they were like, you know, taken down

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>by this wave, and then he said he got her

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>back to shore and then all of a sudden she

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there. But I don't know how quickly this goes down.

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Maybe another wave came in and swept her away really quick.

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not.

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know.

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>But this is why this is so similar to the

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Natalie Halloway case.

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Because did it You're on vander Sleuth. The guy that

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 2>was he is like accused of being killer.

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>By the way, was he ever formally convicted of killing her,

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.719
<v Speaker 1>because remember they kept arresting him and then they couldn't

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>prove he did it, and then he killed another person later.

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>He's definitely in trouble. That was the first time I

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>think he ever got arrested. Is when he is when

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.719
<v Speaker 2>he or like be not arrested but put in prison

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 2>for killing the other girl. Yeah, I'm not. I honestly

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but I guess. So this is what's odd

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess about this case. So now her parents maybe

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 2>it's not odd because I'm sure it's for burial or

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 2>religious purposes or whatever. But her parents are asking the

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Dominican if they could declare her dead, and I think,

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and I'm kind of like, well, like why, like why

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>unless it's unless it's, like I said, for religious or

0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 2>burial purposes.

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>All I could think is that information that we don't

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>have is the public right now, is that they really

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>believe she accidentally was swept up in the water and died.

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I was hearing I think it's I think

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's too early.

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Hasn't it only been like ten days?

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>It's been twelve days since she went missing. Also, I

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>was hearing interviews with people that know the Joshua kid,

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and they all, by all accounts, it seems like he's

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good kid that's never been in trouble.

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure if he was the guy like

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks ago that ate his brother's eyeballs,

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 2>like what that doesn't I don't saying anything. I'm saying.

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>More information could come out, but I don't want to

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>just assume he's guilty because he happened to be the

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 1>last person with her. I mean, they were in the

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>ocean and the waters were rough. It's completely possible that

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>his drunk curR and swept her away. I think his

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>story of it is unusual, but it was the middle

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>of the night.

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>He could have been drinking.

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>You don't know. I do think it's strange, But I

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 1>also could understand if you're a grieving parent and there's

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 1>a large possibility your daughter's not going to be found,

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Like why keep reliving through it every single day? Like

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>some people just have to do it to move on.

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.239
<v Speaker 1>But it's a little it's I don't know, it's just

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>it's just a little unusual to me, Like why listen,

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>she's dead. If she comes up alive, I would be shocked, honestly.

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>But weirder things have happened.

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Like this next case, Yes exactly, Like Okay, this shit

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 2>is outrageous, So let's.

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Start getting into this one. So in Connecticut, emergency workers

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>get a call about a fire at a residential home.

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 1>So they get there and they find this fifty six

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 1>year old woman. She's I guess the homeowner. She has

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>gotten to safety, but they find out that her thirty

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.719
<v Speaker 1>two year old stepson is trapped in the house. So

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>they go in the house and they get him out,

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 1>and then he confessed that he set the fire himself

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>using computer paper, hand sanitizer, and a lighter because he

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 1>had been held captive in his bedroom for over twenty years.

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I just can't even believe that this is true. Now

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>her defense attorney is like, no, you have this all wrong.

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 2>This is she's innocent, and it's just like, yeah, dude,

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 2>this guy was five foot nine and seventy pounds, a

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 2>grown man who's been abused by his wicked stepmother since

0:32:56.280 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 2>he was starting in fourth grade, it accounts, and he's

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.239
<v Speaker 2>talking to police and telling them everything that he was,

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 2>which is this is interesting that he went to school

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 2>and he was asking people for food and then he

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 2>started stealing it and picking it out of the trash,

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 2>and then she found the rappers, and then she would

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 2>do more punishment on him and stuff, and it got

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 2>to the point where they she disenrolled him from school,

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 2>and then the Division of or the Department of Children

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 2>and Families actually went to the house to see where

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 2>he was, because I mean, I guess that's the benefit

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 2>of when children are in public school because they have

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 2>to be accounted for at that point. So the state's

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 2>just like, what's going on with this kid. You can't

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>just take a kid out of school in the middle

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 2>of fourth grade unless you're homeschooling them and you have

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>documentation of that. So they go and investigate, and they

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>were called apparently a couple times, and then finally the

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 2>stepmom was filed a harassment complaint saying that they had

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 2>no reason to be going there. And at that point

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 2>he kind of fell out of the system and just

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 2>nobody went back and checked every again again. I mean,

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>that's so concerning.

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I see this as a total failure of the system

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>because you know, there was many people, in my opinion,

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>reading this privy to what was going on. They said

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>there was an uncle that was staying at the house

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and he eventually they told him he couldn't stay there anymore.

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 1>So you have to think another adult knows about this.

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>What was his father doing about this. His father didn't

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 1>even die until last January, so this has been going

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 1>on for twenty years and the father was just letting

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 1>this happen.

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the weird thing is, though, is that at

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>some point someone had called an investigator, because even that

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.399
<v Speaker 2>uncle that was staying there was just like, we've been

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 2>asking about the kid. Then they said that they they

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:44.919
<v Speaker 2>had said they hadn't seen him in years. I guess

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 2>they were implying that he ran away or something. And

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the uncle was trying to talk to an investigator, and

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.839
<v Speaker 2>the investigator suggested, maybe you should try to see if

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 2>you could find a death certificate for the kid. Maybe

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 2>he ran away and he died or something. And I mean,

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.879
<v Speaker 2>like that guy was staying there though, and I'm not

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 2>sure he didn't seem like he knew that the kid

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:08.280
<v Speaker 2>was there. That's that's what I'm saying, Like, I don't

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 2>he he did bring up that I haven't seen the kid,

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and something's weird here. So, and the kid was locked

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 2>the kid, he's thirty two years old. He was locked

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>in a room and given two sandwiches a day. I mean,

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 2>he was he was locked away. So there is a possibility,

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess that a person could be living in a

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 2>house and nobody would know that the person was there.

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I guess we just don't really know

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the layout of the house and where people were allowing

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>them to go, because if you think about it, most

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>of the time, like I mean, I my house isn't

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>set up like this. But if you were to have

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>people over your house for Christmas, for example, like you're

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 1>not gonna like have people go upstairs like your house

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.760
<v Speaker 1>guests go upstairs, right, So like if people are visiting

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the home, they're not going in every single room of

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.319
<v Speaker 1>your home anyway, so they might just not know what's

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>going on in more private area of the house, like

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the betroom areas. But I just think this is really

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 1>concerning because they're saying that there was two half sisters

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>living at the house, so there's other children living there too,

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 1>but their friends were never allowed to come over in

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:15.319
<v Speaker 1>case of this being discovered. And then the kid had

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>a window in his room, but he was scared to

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>death to open it because he didn't one further retaliation,

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>And then the older he got, the more severe the

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.279
<v Speaker 1>punishment got and the locks got. At first, they were

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 1>letting him go out of the house a couple hours

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 1>a day to do chores, and then by the time

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 1>he was fourteen fifteen, he was only allowed to go

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>out for fifteen minutes at a time, and then I

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 1>guess at some point he was never allowed to go out.

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.439
<v Speaker 2>So I just don't know how this woman possibly thinks

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 2>she's getting away with this just based on his appearance alone.

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, he was five nine and seventy pounds.

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's that's he was near death's store at

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 2>that weight, just as it is. His hair was dirty

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and matted together, his teeth were rotten. I mean, I'm sorry,

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 2>but how are you going to get away with that

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 2>and say that you're innocent. There's just no reason that

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:04.919
<v Speaker 2>an adult would be living. And she looks like she's

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 2>got makeup on, even though it's terrible, but like she

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 2>looks well nourished and like she's got clothes on and

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 2>her hair's brought you know what I mean. Like it's

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.760
<v Speaker 2>a clear case of abuse, and it's just terribly sad.

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really is. This is what her attorney said. Quote,

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 1>he was not locked in a room, She did not

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>restrain him in any way, She provided food, she provided shelter. Okay,

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 1>then why would they search the house? Did they find

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>this like plywood and special lock system on his bedroom

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that clearly he couldn't get out.

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious when the fire happened, since she got out

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 2>to safety, if she told the fire department, if there

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 2>was someone else in there, or they found him when

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 2>they were searching.

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious about that too, And I'm wondering. I mean,

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:48.959
<v Speaker 1>he clearly was so desperate to get out. He maybe

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 1>was just like, I don't even care if I die, Like,

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 1>at least.

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 2>I believe that he actually said that. He was just like,

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'm either gonna get out or I'm

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna die either way.

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Like, so, when his dad died last January, he was

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:04.360
<v Speaker 1>able to leave for a little bit, I guess, to

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 1>grieve his dad. Like, how nice of this lady, right,

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>And then he was wearing an old jacket of his

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>dad's and that's where he found the lighter. Because of course,

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, how did he even get access to that?

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 2>This is interesting actually too, because so you're saying he

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>was allowed to leave, so he presumably went to some

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of a funeral or something.

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think he went to a funeral. I

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 1>think he was allowed to leave the room.

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so he didn't leave the house. Because I

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.439
<v Speaker 2>was going to say, who the hell saw this guy

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 2>in this condition and wasn't like, what is happening here? No? No,

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 2>he was allowed to leave the room. And you know,

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:40.240
<v Speaker 2>now he's safe and he's in a hospital, and that's great.

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 2>But I'm just thinking, like, you're thirty two years old,

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 2>How in the world is this? How are you ever

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 2>going to recover from this?

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 1>He's going to have he even though he seems like

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, when I first read about this, I was like,

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if maybe he had like some mental

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 1>disorder on top of being held captive and everything, but

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.360
<v Speaker 1>how can you not form one after being abused in

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 1>this type of way for so long? I mean, I

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:08.280
<v Speaker 1>have even if he gets healthy and he's in treatment

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and everything, he's gonna have severe PTSD from this the

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 1>rest of his life. How is he ever gonna trust anybody?

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. If you saw just this morning, NBC

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 1>reported about his biological mother. So apparently she had given

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.359
<v Speaker 1>up custody of him when he was a really little kid,

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and she had been looking for him in recent years

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.919
<v Speaker 1>and wasn't able to locate him. So that's what's weird

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to me too.

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:32.959
<v Speaker 2>It is weird. The whole story is just so weird,

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and it's just so it's so terrible that people would

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.280
<v Speaker 2>ever do this to a child and now an adult.

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she ruined his life. It's just that simple,

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's just so terrible.

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So the stepmom's facing charges of assault, kidnapping, and cruelty.

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm really interested for more details about this case, especially

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>with other children being involved. Obviously the dad had some involvement,

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 1>of course, because we just wrote about Ruby Frank, I mean,

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really cover this in part one necessarily, but

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of similarities to this coming up in

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 1>this week's part two, where we talk about, you know,

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>her locking her kids in this like bunker and this

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Jodie woman's house and rubbing Cayenne Pepper in their wounds

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>after she beat them, and starving them and writing these

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 1>detailed diary entries about how she thought they were possessed

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>by Satan, and it's just really terrible. It really is

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 1>so all Right, the next case that we're talking about

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>is another terrible case. So I read this article this

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 1>week and I almost thought that it was a reprint

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.240
<v Speaker 1>of a story because it's so similar to another story

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 1>that I believe that we've covered on here at some

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>point on our podcast, and it's it's not it's happened again,

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's almost the same story. Well, I think this

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>has happened a couple of times, and there was an

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>episode there, you know that show I Survived. Yeah, there

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>was an episode about this with a woman that survived

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>an attack like this. So basically, in Brazil, this woman

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>shows up to the hospital with a newborn baby, claiming

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:09.280
<v Speaker 1>she just gave birth to it. And then the hospital

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 1>is getting a little concerned because there's no signs at

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.759
<v Speaker 1>all that she was pregnant or just gave birth. So

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>they have the police look into this, and they go

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>to her house and as they're searching the house, they

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>find this dead teenager buried in her backyard and more shockingly,

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 1>she clearly had a baby cut out of her stomach.

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 2>So this sounds familiar to you guys, right, because there

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 2>was a case back in twenty nineteen in Chicago where

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 2>it was so wait, we didn't say how how she

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 2>got the pregnant woman, how she had access to her, No,

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 2>So basically what happened is this lady was pregnant and

0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 2>she had a miscarriage. She didn't tell her family so

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 2>they thought she was pregnant. I don't know how you're

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.800
<v Speaker 2>keeping up that ruse with everybody that you're interacting with daily,

0:41:57.120 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 2>but obviously because especially especially because in theory you would

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 2>be like, at least you don't have to be having

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.439
<v Speaker 2>sex with them, but at least like naked or getting

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.879
<v Speaker 2>undressed at some point in front of them. Yeah.

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>But and do you think I was wondering this too,

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, did she have a fake belly? Do you

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 1>think she kept having sex with him hoping that she

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 1>would get pregnant again to like self correct this issue.

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, But obviously there's a time limit on

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 1>this because everybody thinks you're pregnant and you have to

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>give birth eventually. So she lures this pregnant teenager to

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 1>her house saying through Facebook, saying that she has a

0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 1>free baby clothing to give her. And I believe that's

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>how the woman on I Survive got attacked too, was

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 1>through like a Facebook marketplace ad for free baby clothes.

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 2>So, and that's what happened in the case with Chicago

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 2>in twenty nineteen. It was an ad on Facebook for

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 2>free baby clothes, and there was another one that just

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:54.360
<v Speaker 2>happened in twenty twenty two with another Facebook ad, except

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 2>this time the woman was pretending to give the pregnant

0:42:56.560 --> 0:43:01.360
<v Speaker 2>woman a job opportunity. So fa f book has happened

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 2>in many of these cases, which is super disturbing, and

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, I mean, it's involved with lots of homicide.

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 2>So you really should just never be meeting strangers on

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:15.320
<v Speaker 2>the internet. That's just like a given rule of life

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 2>in general. But did you know that the number one

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 2>manner of death in pregnant women is homicide. It's not

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 2>actually a natural cause of death or an accidental cause

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:29.800
<v Speaker 2>of death is homicide. Yeah, so there's just something about

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.279
<v Speaker 2>pregnant ladies that people want to kill them. It is

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 2>really terrifying actually, But yeah, so this lady shows up

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 2>to the hospital. Now, if you go to the hospital

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and say I just had a big with a brand

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 2>new baby, and you go there and say I just

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.520
<v Speaker 2>gave birth to this kid in my car, they're gonna

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 2>want to examine you because they're gonna want to make

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 2>sure that the placenta came out and then make sure

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:55.239
<v Speaker 2>it all came out because if it didn't, it could

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>cause bleeding and it can cause infection. Serious complications. They

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 2>just want to make sure you're not bleeding more than

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 2>normal and they check you. So they do an examine

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>this lady and like, duh, imagine giving birth to a

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 2>huge baby, this was a term baby. Your your your

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 2>vadge would look like there was like a little bit

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 2>of trauma there, don't you think? So you're yeah, your

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 2>vaginal canal would be stretched, your cervix would still be dilated,

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.880
<v Speaker 2>your uterus wouldn't even be done being contracted all the

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:26.759
<v Speaker 2>way down, And they just were like, yeah, no, like

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 2>this didn't happen. And they they actually called police from

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:35.759
<v Speaker 2>the hospital and were like something's up here. And it's

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:39.400
<v Speaker 2>just so disturbing that you would you would kill a

0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:42.959
<v Speaker 2>human and take that that person away from their mother,

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 2>like that baby away from their mother. It's just so gross.

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.799
<v Speaker 1>But like why, you know, why would you also not

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.239
<v Speaker 1>tell your family you had a miscarriage and then go

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.800
<v Speaker 1>to these steps like what is going on with this person?

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she thought a baby was gonna save her marriage

0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:01.439
<v Speaker 2>and he would be disappointed. I mean, like people get

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 2>weird about stuff like that. Honestly, Like I don't think

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I just think that that's not super unusual that a

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>husband might be disappointed or that's just that's life and

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 2>that happens, especially in certain cultures, that definitely happens. It's

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.360
<v Speaker 2>more like, okay, well, like the rest of the world

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:22.120
<v Speaker 2>just has to have deal with the disappointment or whatever,

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:26.560
<v Speaker 2>because you can't hide that. And really having a miscarriage

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 2>is it's super upsetting and you want to have support

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:32.280
<v Speaker 2>there and everything. I can't even imagine going through something

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 2>like that, not only for the physical part of it,

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.320
<v Speaker 2>but just the mental part of it. Going through something

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 2>like that and not telling anybody about it. She was

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 2>probably just embarrassed for whatever reason, and it went from there.

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 2>I just don't know what people are thinking that they

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 2>could actually get away with this. It's just so it's

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 2>so odd and nobody would question where the where the

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 2>dead pregnant girl was, Like come on, it's just it's

0:45:57.760 --> 0:45:58.760
<v Speaker 2>just outrageous.

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:01.879
<v Speaker 1>Well, you have to quit the husband's involvement too, because

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.720
<v Speaker 1>you're like, seriously, you didn't realize your wife wasn't pregnant

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 1>for six months and like her belly wasn't getting bigger,

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and like again, like you're saying it, I'm sure ninety

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>nine percent of married people get naked in front of

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:17.839
<v Speaker 1>each other besides having sex, So like, it's just really

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>odd to me he didn't.

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I would make it in front of one of my

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 2>family members every single day, whether it's getting out of

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 2>the shower or whatever. Like it's just when you live

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.280
<v Speaker 2>in a house, Like I feel like it just happens.

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, Furthermore, they're saying that she buried this girl in

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:33.400
<v Speaker 1>a shallow grave, So like, would the husband have not

0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 1>eventually come across the whole dead body buried in his backyard?

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I just think it's really lot of

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:44.319
<v Speaker 2>disturbing stories this week, especially like this one.

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 1>This next case also involves Facebook.

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:52.120
<v Speaker 2>It's it's Facebook is just like a cesspool of crime.

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 1>No, it really is. I mean you have to think

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 1>like people. This new tool comes about like twenty twenty

0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 1>five years years ago. Right of course people use it

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:05.399
<v Speaker 1>for evil. It's what everybody's arguing about AI. It's cool

0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:08.280
<v Speaker 1>to go on AI and Google, like make a picture

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>of blah blah blah, right and have something funny to

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:12.840
<v Speaker 1>make fun of. Remember when I was putting my face

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:16.919
<v Speaker 1>on all those different years, so like make me look

0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 1>like a Victorian woman. Whatever, But somebody will use it

0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:21.240
<v Speaker 1>for evil eventually anyway.

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, they already are. They're putting like children's pictures

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 2>on porn and stuff. It's fucking terrible.

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Uh all right, So last year, these two dogs have

0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:32.000
<v Speaker 1>been taken to a shelter after their owner died from

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:35.280
<v Speaker 1>natural causes, but they ended up eating the owner before

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the person was discovered. So at the shelter, the dogs

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.799
<v Speaker 1>throw up this guy's toes and other remains. So then

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 1>this woman, Joanna, goes into work at the shelter, finds

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the toes in a bin and thinks it's a good

0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:49.560
<v Speaker 1>idea to bring the toes home, throw them in some

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 1>formal dyde and try to sell them on Facebook. Like

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:54.520
<v Speaker 1>what you know what?

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking, actually, and I really hope we

0:47:57.480 --> 0:47:59.919
<v Speaker 2>could talk to somebody about this. Do you think face

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 2>this book has a whole entire division that they deal

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:06.839
<v Speaker 2>with this particular stuff like crimes that happen because they

0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:11.280
<v Speaker 2>they definitely get reported to them and they have police

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 2>contact them, FBI contact them all the time to look

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:16.719
<v Speaker 2>into certain people. I'm just like really curious of that

0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 2>aspect of Facebook.

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's my understanding that things like this are delegated

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:29.959
<v Speaker 1>to the FBI because they're online. So I would think

0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 1>the question is is does the FDI. Does the FBI

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.720
<v Speaker 1>have a division specifically for Facebook.

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm sure they do. I'm sure they have a

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 2>whole entire social media like a division of multiple people.

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 2>I actually could find that out because I know somebody

0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:46.840
<v Speaker 2>that works there. But anyway, so I'll get back to

0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you guys on that. But so, she she's in some

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 2>active member Facebook group where specimens are bought and sold,

0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and she heard that she could get up to two

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:00.160
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty dollars if she sold these two. Oh,

0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 2>so that's why she decided to do it. Are there

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:06.760
<v Speaker 2>like pictures of these posts that she made on Facebook?

0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 2>By any chance, I'll have to do a deep dive

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.560
<v Speaker 2>for them. We need to find that, because I mean, listen,

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 2>I never like this is very interesting that this story

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 2>came up today because I never even thought about this,

0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:23.000
<v Speaker 2>like this happens. This just happened with Gene Hackman, for example,

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:25.360
<v Speaker 2>like him and his wife died at the house, and

0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 2>they brought the dogs that survived somewhere somebody as the dogs.

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.000
<v Speaker 2>And I brought this up last week that I was

0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.080
<v Speaker 2>curious as to how the dogs were eating this entire

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:39.440
<v Speaker 2>time that nobody was feeding them, so that information has

0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 2>never been released. This is just something I'm assuming, but

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 2>just the many times that we know that, you know,

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 2>pets eat their owners when they die. I'm really really

0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 2>curious to see what happens when these pets go to

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 2>a vet office. If any of you work in a

0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 2>vet office, like I would just never would think that

0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:02.520
<v Speaker 2>they might throw up and have human body parts in it.

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:07.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just very disturbing. But it seems like the woman

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:10.239
<v Speaker 2>wasn't working at there at the time, and maybe one

0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 2>of her co workers told her about it, and they

0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 2>it seems like she took them out of the trash

0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:17.399
<v Speaker 2>and then put them in from aldehyde and brought them

0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:21.319
<v Speaker 2>home like it's just okay, Like that's how you want

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 2>to make two hundred and fifty dollars. I don't know.

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:26.279
<v Speaker 1>I guess my question is how do you think you're

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.960
<v Speaker 1>not getting in trouble for that? Also, I was really

0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:34.240
<v Speaker 1>curious how a group that's dedicated to selling and buying

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:38.880
<v Speaker 1>specimens is not prohibited on Facebook. But I guess that

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 1>taxidermy sales are legal, correct, so like.

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and certain certain things are. It depends too, because

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 2>she was in Australia. Right, Yeah, so certain countries have

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.640
<v Speaker 2>different laws. I mean, you're not allowed to buy every

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 2>single animal that's taxidermied either some of them are illegal,

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.520
<v Speaker 2>other times some of them are considered like exempt because

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 2>they're front. They're maybe an old specimen, like a really

0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:11.719
<v Speaker 2>really like an animal that maybe wasn't considered endangered in

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the past, or even one that might have been. But

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:16.719
<v Speaker 2>the taxi Army was done in the twenties, so it's

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, like stuff like that. There's like all these

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 2>rules which I don't know what they are, but I mean,

0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know how Facebook monitors things like that

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:30.440
<v Speaker 2>because the rules change state to state, country to country,

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:34.239
<v Speaker 2>and if it's a group that has members from all

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:36.439
<v Speaker 2>over the world in it, I don't really know how

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 2>they monitor that. But I'm pretty sure that we know

0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 2>they're not monitoring a lot. I think that they created

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 2>this and they just, you know, we say this all

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 2>the time. They just create these things and think of

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:50.879
<v Speaker 2>all the great and they don't think about all the bad,

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:53.120
<v Speaker 2>and then all the bad starts happening and they just

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:55.680
<v Speaker 2>can't stay on top of it. They don't know how

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:56.640
<v Speaker 2>to stay on top of it.

0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Like people going on live streams and cutting off other

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>people's heads.

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just all of that stuff. So, I mean, and

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:05.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like someone just got We said that the person

0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:09.239
<v Speaker 2>got murdered on. Was that on TikTok or YouTube? The

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 2>one we talked about earlier today was YouTube?

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Right, that was YouTube?

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and there's going to be a certain level.

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Of I don't know it was a YouTuber, but she.

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Was live streaming. I guess we don't know where she

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:24.719
<v Speaker 2>was live streaming. Yeah, I guess.

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying that because if she had a popular YouTube,

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>she would be her title would be a YouTuber, but

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 1>she could have been theory been live streaming on another

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:35.040
<v Speaker 1>so she had a platform.

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 2>But regardless, like it's just I mean, how do you

0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:42.160
<v Speaker 2>prevent all of it? So anyway, this lady's getting in trouble.

0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 2>She's facing up to two years in prison.

0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:47.000
<v Speaker 1>She was facing up to two years in prison, but

0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:49.280
<v Speaker 1>she made a plea deal, so she ended up getting

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:53.400
<v Speaker 1>sentenced with eighteen month non custodial sentence, which includes one

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:58.319
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty hours of community service. So I yeah,

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:00.480
<v Speaker 1>could I guess I don't think she should go to

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:03.320
<v Speaker 1>jail for it. Yeah, she didn't.

0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:06.200
<v Speaker 2>It's it's gross. I mean, if they were throwing them

0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 2>in the trash whatever, it's gross. But what's really gross

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>is this next story is freaking gross. No, this is horrible.

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Last month in China, these two seventeen year olds were

0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:20.919
<v Speaker 1>eating at a popular hot pot chain. So they're eating

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 1>in this private dining room and they decide to make

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:25.920
<v Speaker 1>videos of them peeing in the hot pot and then

0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:29.319
<v Speaker 1>they post it online and it goes viral. So of

0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:31.040
<v Speaker 1>course people are freaking out.

0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:35.319
<v Speaker 2>That have eaten at this restaurant. So listen, like in

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:37.640
<v Speaker 2>the grand scheme of things, I think we've talked about

0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:42.319
<v Speaker 2>this before because unfortunately people pee in people's food and

0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:45.840
<v Speaker 2>we have to talk about it. Urine is just the

0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:49.239
<v Speaker 2>like the least inert I guess you would say of

0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 2>body fluids. It's not like you're drinking someone's blood, which

0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:59.040
<v Speaker 2>could really expose you to bloodborne pathogens. Urine carries some stuff,

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:02.080
<v Speaker 2>but it's not it's it's not terrible. It's just more

0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:04.279
<v Speaker 2>like it's just really the thought of it is just

0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:07.840
<v Speaker 2>really gross. You could get certain like typhoid or something,

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:11.240
<v Speaker 2>but like in an average person, you're in a sterile

0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:13.239
<v Speaker 2>inside the body and then it comes out and it

0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 2>and it hits your skin and it gets bacteria on it,

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:17.680
<v Speaker 2>and you I guess in theory you could get stick

0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 2>from some of that bacteria, but it's like not very

0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:22.719
<v Speaker 2>likely for it to happen. But it's just freaking disgusting.

0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it is really gross, and it seeming

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:30.320
<v Speaker 1>like the bigger problem with this story is that people

0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:35.040
<v Speaker 1>alerted the restaurant, but they weren't taking the claim seriously,

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:37.880
<v Speaker 1>and then we're trying to allege that people were trying

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to hurt their reputation, and then by the time they

0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:43.960
<v Speaker 1>finally took it seriously, that it was this greater issue.

0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 1>So they've offered a reason that they.

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Only take it seriously when they saw the viral video.

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:52.759
<v Speaker 1>But I think people were reporting it beforehand, so why

0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>aren't they taking it seriously?

0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 2>This is this is like a pretty big deal chain

0:54:57.920 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 2>and there's even a couple hero I heart I think

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I've read. So now they're going to compensate all of

0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:09.399
<v Speaker 2>these forty one hundred orders between the dates where they

0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:12.879
<v Speaker 2>think that this happened with a full refund plus ten

0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 2>times that amount of money. So they're like scared shitless

0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:18.279
<v Speaker 2>that this is going to affect their business because that's

0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:19.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money.

0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was wondering if because they were blowing it

0:55:23.000 --> 0:55:25.960
<v Speaker 1>off at first, they had to really go hard on

0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the refunds and giving extra because of how serious this

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:34.080
<v Speaker 1>is and how gross it is, and because they weren't

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:35.960
<v Speaker 1>taking it seriously, and then they were like, we have

0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:38.760
<v Speaker 1>to do everything in our power to make it right. Yeah,

0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Because I'm like, if they just at first were like,

0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:43.719
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, we're so sorry, we're definitely going to

0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:46.799
<v Speaker 1>refund people from these days, blah blah blah, they might

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:48.640
<v Speaker 1>not have had to take the extra step to make

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:51.480
<v Speaker 1>it right. But you can't act like people are just

0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:54.320
<v Speaker 1>trying to hurt your reputation when there's like video of

0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:57.440
<v Speaker 1>people pissing in the pot pots at your restaurant.

0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:01.360
<v Speaker 2>All right, speaking of this, this is definitely the grossest

0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:02.320
<v Speaker 2>video of the week.

0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:05.160
<v Speaker 1>So this woman's in the Bronx. She's walking down the

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.840
<v Speaker 1>street and she sees this man take a dead rat

0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:10.560
<v Speaker 1>off of the street and just start eating it.

0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 2>You watch this video and you just can't believe it.

0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:19.040
<v Speaker 2>So to me, the grossest part because people eat rats.

0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:22.440
<v Speaker 2>It's I know it's gross in America, but people in

0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:24.880
<v Speaker 2>different cultures eat rats. It's just the way it is.

0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 2>It's really not any grosser than eating any kind of animal,

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:30.520
<v Speaker 2>except in New York City rat it's just extra gross

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:33.240
<v Speaker 2>because they're in the city and they're just eating whatever

0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:36.240
<v Speaker 2>off of the ground, and they just seem the grosser

0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:39.719
<v Speaker 2>than the average animal. Right, You're not really supposed to

0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:42.440
<v Speaker 2>ever eat raw meat. It's never really considered safe, so

0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:44.759
<v Speaker 2>if you cook it, then it kills off all of

0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the bacteria and viruses that you could possibly and parasites

0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 2>that you could possibly get. Let's talk about gene Hackman,

0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.120
<v Speaker 2>right and the haunt of virus. Now, it hasn't been

0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:56.960
<v Speaker 2>found in New York City, so we don't have to

0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:59.800
<v Speaker 2>worry about that, but in theory, you could get hantavirus

0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:03.759
<v Speaker 2>for eating a rodent like that raw and uncooked, because

0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 2>you'll be eating their fecal matter, which is how you

0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 2>contract that virus like salmonella leptosporiasis. Like this is really

0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:12.600
<v Speaker 2>really bad.

0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, it seems like this person was having some mental

0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:20.280
<v Speaker 1>health issues because why would you just pick up a

0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 1>dead rat and eat it like that? And it seems

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:25.160
<v Speaker 1>like in this video he's like giving it a mini

0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:29.000
<v Speaker 1>dissection in his hands first, and then when he pulls

0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 1>up to his mouth and takes the bite, I'm thinking,

0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 1>in my mind, he's just like biting the fur, right. No,

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 1>there's like this gross white string of organ that comes

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 1>between his mouth and the rats. So discussing he.

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Could totally be out of his mind, which is possible,

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:47.200
<v Speaker 2>but like it's the same as a conversation that we

0:57:47.320 --> 0:57:49.680
<v Speaker 2>had about the guy that was catching the pigeon in

0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the bag in New York City as well, Like people

0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:54.480
<v Speaker 2>are coming from other cultures and maybe they eat that

0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:59.360
<v Speaker 2>wherever he's from. I don't know. It's nasty, but whatever,

0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's who cares what the dude eat if

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:04.320
<v Speaker 2>she wants to eat it, Like it's not hurting you.

0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they're saying the New York City officials are

0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:10.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to like locate him and try.

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.120
<v Speaker 2>To get him help you, I mean, like listen, like

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:15.080
<v Speaker 2>he's probably gonna get sick with something, but like whatever,

0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:18.840
<v Speaker 2>so like that that's just whatever. How's that going to

0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 2>hurt other? I don't know whatever.

0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Like you're saying, though, some people eat rats and other cultures,

0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 1>but typically they are cooked, so I think it's pretty unusual.

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:29.200
<v Speaker 1>To just pick up a dead rodent off of the

0:58:29.240 --> 0:58:33.240
<v Speaker 1>ground and then start snacking on it. But let's move

0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:35.160
<v Speaker 1>on to questions of the day. Every Friday at the

0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 1>app Mother knows that Instagram account, You guys could head

0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 1>over to our story and ask us whatever you want. First,

0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:44.800
<v Speaker 1>would mass casualties after wars call for autopsies on each

0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:45.760
<v Speaker 1>deceased person?

0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:51.240
<v Speaker 2>I would say No. There might be circumstances where there's

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:53.840
<v Speaker 2>there's an attack or something on a building and they

0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>weren't sure if it was friendly fire or not, so

0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 2>they might do some investigation to see if they could

0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:02.320
<v Speaker 2>figure out what caused that in a very smaller group

0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:06.920
<v Speaker 2>of people. But to do mass casualty events, no, all right.

0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Two, can you see changes on the brain of someone

0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:11.880
<v Speaker 1>with severe mental health disorders?

0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:16.520
<v Speaker 2>So if the person was having depression or something before death,

0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and let's say you did the autopsy and it turns out, oh,

0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:22.120
<v Speaker 2>they had a brain tumor or something, then yes, you

0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>would see that. If you would see Parkinson's, which and

0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:30.320
<v Speaker 2>these types of disease could have they could have an

0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:32.920
<v Speaker 2>effect on mental health, Alzheimer's and things like that. So

0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 2>you could see things like that. But as far as

0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:41.040
<v Speaker 2>just straightforward like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression. You can't see that,

0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:43.840
<v Speaker 2>and you can't even see it under the microscope. In fact,

0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:47.280
<v Speaker 2>there's not even imaging really that could show that stuff.

0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:53.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, unfortunately it's a chemical thing that's going on

0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 2>or a structural thing that they just can't identify under

0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:58.480
<v Speaker 2>the microscope as of yet.

0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 1>All Right, last favorite cult classic movies.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to look up what was considered a

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<v Speaker 2>cult classic because one of the first things that popped

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<v Speaker 2>in my brain was like Killer Clowns from Outer Space

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<v Speaker 2>or some crazy movie like that, which I love that movie,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, But then when I looked it up,

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<v Speaker 2>it's every single movie. There's list of one hundred movies,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh, I've seen all these movies and

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<v Speaker 2>they're great.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, I think it's defined as like a movie

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<v Speaker 1>that has a niche following but wasn't like you would

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<v Speaker 1>want to think about Tim Burton movies, right, Like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very niche following, but they don't count because they

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<v Speaker 1>were like box office hits. So it's these weird, obscure,

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<v Speaker 1>obscure movies that have niche followings but were not initially hit.

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<v Speaker 1>So like when I'm thinking of it. I'm thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>like Malret, Princess Bride, Napoleon Dynamite, like weird artsy movies,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, And I love all those movies, and

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<v Speaker 1>probably like Hairspray. Yeah, i'd say hairs like that, the

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<v Speaker 1>original Hairspray, I think, yeah, ye, where Harrishbray was a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big box office hit. I would say the most

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<v Speaker 1>popular now is probably like Big Lebowski, right for us,

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<v Speaker 1>probably like Rome and Michelle, but things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Rome and Michelle, and the new one's coming out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I listen, that's cool and everything, but I think they

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<v Speaker 1>should just stop touching things that are perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait did you see that a trailer came out for

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<v Speaker 2>the new Freaky Friday? No? I didn't it, did it does?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, e of course it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Because these movies are I don't know if people that

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<v Speaker 1>listen would consider Freaky Friday to be great per se,

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<v Speaker 1>but in our household it was pretty big. So I

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<v Speaker 1>love that movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I must. They were saying that that Mean Girls is

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<v Speaker 2>a cult classic, and I'm like, what this is what?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of confused because a lot of the movies

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<v Speaker 2>on there, Like I wrote some down on like kill Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>which I love. I love like any Tarantino movie, so

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know, like I saw it at the

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<v Speaker 2>movie theater, just I don't I don't consider a cult classic,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess it is. Like That's why I think

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<v Speaker 2>like Killer Clowns from Outer Space is an example, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a low budget, like weird A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people haven't heard of it. But then you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>When I think of these movies, I think of what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying, like low budget, but they're like artsy and

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<v Speaker 1>they're weird, right, They're not like the you know what's

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<v Speaker 1>like a big movie. They're not like Barbie Last Year Oppenheimer,

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<v Speaker 1>like these movies that are designed to be this giant

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<v Speaker 1>box office.

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<v Speaker 2>But like so many movies are like that that we watch.

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<v Speaker 2>But they even had like sixteen candles and stuff on

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<v Speaker 2>the list, and I'm like, I don't want to put

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<v Speaker 2>that in that category to me, But maybe I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree with you. I think that it's

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<v Speaker 1>up to interpretation. But I think for me, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I love The Big Lebowski. I think that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the bigger ones. If you're gonna go with, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That one's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Princess Brian's pretty big too, though, Like, but

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<v Speaker 1>was it a huge hit when it first came out.

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<v Speaker 1>It is such a weird movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just love I love movies like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean because I like, I really love watching a

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<v Speaker 2>movie that just has a like a more original idea

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<v Speaker 2>that hasn't been done before, which is kind of impossible anymore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I haven't seen I don't know, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a movie connoisseur, but like I don't need to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a consumer, and like shit's been lame, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, movies definitely have not been as good the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of years, but hopefully they'll be on a

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<v Speaker 1>path to getting better.

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<v Speaker 2>I think show I read an article the other day

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<v Speaker 2>that they're just never gonna get better and they were

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<v Speaker 2>blaming it on COVID a lot, but which, well, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that that that's totally a thing, but like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just over all of these actors and they're just

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<v Speaker 2>so self important and like, I don't know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I like, back in the day, I think there was

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<v Speaker 2>so much mystery to famous people that you were just

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<v Speaker 2>intrigued by their glamorous lifestyle and you didn't really know

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<v Speaker 2>them as a person but more as an actor. And

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<v Speaker 2>now all these people talk and you're just like, eh,

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<v Speaker 2>could you just like there's certain people that I used

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<v Speaker 2>to love that now I'm like, like, I don't ever

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<v Speaker 2>want to watch her movie again. You suck so bad,

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<v Speaker 2>you know?

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, definitely, So it's not helping them, I think though.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing they consider is that TV shows used to

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<v Speaker 1>just be like the sitcoms we used to watch and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, right, and now TV shows have taken

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<v Speaker 1>on this new cinematic element to them, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's taking away from movies, because why make a two

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<v Speaker 1>hour movie when you could make a limited series with

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<v Speaker 1>eight episodes and tell the story in a longer form

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<v Speaker 1>over eight episodes and have it be more compelling, you know? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So I think so like when like a lot of times,

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<v Speaker 2>you see a movie and you love it so much

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's never any more it. It's just like that's it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you never get a sequel and there's never anything

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<v Speaker 2>else again. And and this too, Like that makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>that you're saying that reactually because people could just be

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<v Speaker 2>at like home and their pajamas watching it all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and there it's just a sad because the movies used

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<v Speaker 2>to be so glamorous, but they never really were when

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<v Speaker 2>I was a kid. But it was packed when I

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<v Speaker 2>was a kid, though, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think just with shows and stuff, because like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm watching Severance right now, and I'm just thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you could never make that type of story into a

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<v Speaker 1>two hour movie. It just would not cut, like cut

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<v Speaker 1>the same way, you know, Like some of these shows

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<v Speaker 1>that I think are some of these movies maybe that

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<v Speaker 1>are in the process of getting made. I think people

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<v Speaker 1>realize they'll do bet better as a series as far

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<v Speaker 1>as storytelling, and you're gonna make so much more money

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<v Speaker 1>because you're gonna have way more ads to put in,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're saying you can have a couple of year

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<v Speaker 1>run instead of a one off. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>more about why they're being affected so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bummer because I look, I do look every

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<v Speaker 2>single weekend and think like, maybe we can go to

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<v Speaker 2>the movies. And really, the best time when we were

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<v Speaker 2>going to the movies all the time was during COVID

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<v Speaker 2>because nothing was coming out and they were playing old

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<v Speaker 2>movies and they were only charging five dollars a person.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I took the kids, what did I take them

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<v Speaker 2>to see recently? I don't even remember what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I took them to see, like the four of them,

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<v Speaker 2>them and their friends or whatever to go see the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just like it costs eighty some dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>that was just for the tickets, Like, like, who wants

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<v Speaker 2>to who wants to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>I do because I want the popcorn and the cherry coke.

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<v Speaker 1>But but when you but it's because it's you, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you and Ricky, but when you start like having

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<v Speaker 1>kids and then you have to buy it for multiple people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice once in a while, but that's that's not

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<v Speaker 1>something you can do once a week or a couple

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<v Speaker 1>times a week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a lot of money. Yeah, you can watch

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<v Speaker 2>it for whatever at home. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky actually hates the movies, which really bums me out.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone by myself a couple of times, so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just have the afternoon to do nothing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really want popcorn and coke and I want to watch

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<v Speaker 1>a movie in silence. All right, Well, thank you guys

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<v Speaker 2>and subscribe to Mother Knows Death on Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>or anywhere you get podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks