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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to my partner in crime,

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Speaker 1: West Hodkowitz. Were coming to here from our studios at

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Speaker 1: lambeau Field and West. Coming off of Monday Night football,

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Speaker 1: we watch the New Orleans Saints pretty much dismantled the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts. The reason I'm starting there is because with

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Speaker 1: two weeks to go now in the regular season, we

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Speaker 1: have four teams in the NFC that are all at

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Speaker 1: eleven and three the forty Niners, the Seahawks, the Saints,

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Speaker 1: and the Packers. So the race is on for division

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Speaker 1: titles in the NFC West and the NFC North. The

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Speaker 1: race is on for those top two seeds and the

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Speaker 1: first round buys that would go with those in the

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Speaker 1: NFC and Matt Lafleur on Monday, his weekly Monday Day

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Speaker 1: after game press conference made the Packers objective over these

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Speaker 1: last two weeks pretty clear. It is about winning to

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Speaker 1: earn as many home games in January as possible. This

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Speaker 1: team wants to be playing at lambeau Field because as

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Speaker 1: of now they aren't coming back two road games. The

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Speaker 1: Packers want to get back to Lambo in January and

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Speaker 1: play at home again. Yeah, and Zadarius Smith kind of

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Speaker 1: talked about it too with wearing his jacket and this

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Speaker 1: is nice leather kind of fur jacket in the locker room. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be out there in January. It's

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Speaker 1: it's tough. It's a tough environment to play and the

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Speaker 1: Packers are able to practice in every single week at

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Speaker 1: this point. And it's been a very cold November and December,

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Speaker 1: so that is a big advantage for them if they

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Speaker 1: can make this thing go. And you know, I've talked

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Speaker 1: to a nauseum about you know, Roger's feelings on it

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Speaker 1: and importance of it, and I know there's been this sentiment.

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Speaker 1: I even had this conversation with my buddy Scott a

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Speaker 1: few days ago. Roger seems to always play well in

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Speaker 1: warmer environments. Are in domes, sure, but you're talking about

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Speaker 1: communication issues, You're talking about cross noise. I mean you

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Speaker 1: think of the Supernome, what that place is like when

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Speaker 1: it's not a playoff game. You know, Levi Stadium I

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Speaker 1: think has a really good environment to it as well

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Speaker 1: in a home field advantage for the forty Niners. So

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Speaker 1: unless they're playing in at and T Stadium in Dallas,

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Speaker 1: which just seems to beat Lambo South. It's just you

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Speaker 1: want to be able to play these January games at

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Speaker 1: lambou Field, and the way that this line's up for

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Speaker 1: green Bay right now, with back to back games against

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Detroit, they're in a position to not only do

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Speaker 1: that right now, but also get that first round by,

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Speaker 1: that very coveted first round by. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean

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Speaker 1: to go through the scenarios quickly. The Packers need one

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Speaker 1: win to win the NFC North Championship. They can either

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Speaker 1: beat the Vikings this coming week or beat the Lions

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Speaker 1: in week seventeen to win the NFC North. If you

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Speaker 1: win the NFC North, you're guaranteed at least one home game.

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Speaker 1: The Packers would be no worse than the three seed.

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Speaker 1: But to get a top two seed, which would come

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Speaker 1: with which a first round by would come with that,

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Speaker 1: the Packers need to win their last two games that

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Speaker 1: would get them no worse than the two seed, and

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Speaker 1: then the number one seed is also in play, because

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Speaker 1: if the Packers were to win their last two games,

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Speaker 1: and if both the Seahawks and the forty Niners each

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Speaker 1: take one more loss, then the Packers would actually be

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Speaker 1: the one seed. So if you can keep all that straight,

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Speaker 1: and I'm doing my best too, but at this point,

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Speaker 1: it's one week at a time, because the Packers can

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Speaker 1: win the NFC North and that's all they can win

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Speaker 1: Monday night in Minneapolis. The Packers can win the NFC North. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the Vikings are looking to clinch a playoff spot because

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Speaker 1: they need one more win to knock the Rams officially

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Speaker 1: out of contention and get themselves in the playoffs here.

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Speaker 1: So um, but yeah, this whole thing, I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: heard Aaron Rodgers talk about wanting to play games at home. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Packers, we all know they made their Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: run in two thousand and ten. It was all on

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Speaker 1: the road. They but they have not in the Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers era, they have not played an NFC Championship game

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Speaker 1: at home. Lost on the road at Seattle with the

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Speaker 1: big comeback obviously, and then you remember the game in

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Speaker 1: was just there was just no stopping it. And and

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Speaker 1: that's what's funny about this year, and people when asking

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Speaker 1: I still feel like this two thousand nineteen team slants

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Speaker 1: That was an amazing train that took them all the way.

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Speaker 1: That was a completely different type of season. When you're

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Speaker 1: the wall. And when they got to the NFC title game,

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Speaker 1: not that that was a consolation or just a moral victory,

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Speaker 1: but let's be honest, Mike. I mean, they were really

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Speaker 1: kind of ran out. What's exciting about this particular, you

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Speaker 1: know team is I just feel like, even though we've

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Speaker 1: best game out there. They're healthy, they have players have

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Speaker 1: position where they're finally controlling their own destiny again during

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Speaker 1: this final stretch of the season. Yeah, they have it

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Speaker 1: in their own hands. And when you don't have to

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Speaker 1: for you to have the scenario that you want for

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Speaker 1: But you and I both know it, Mike, and you

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Speaker 1: can play it back if we had a little bit

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Speaker 1: better technology, we could play back the last three weeks

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Speaker 1: of unscripted's talking about how you had to beat the Giants,

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Speaker 1: to make this game meaningful. Well, Mike, this game on

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Speaker 1: Monday night at US Bank Stadium is the most important

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Speaker 1: game in the season for the Green Bay Packers, and

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Speaker 1: they've put themselves in a position for it to have

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Speaker 1: those kind of stakes. Yeah, it is the biggest game

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Speaker 1: I think the Packers are going to have to play

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Speaker 1: their best game of the season in order to win it.

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Speaker 1: I know we're a little bit short on time today,

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Speaker 1: so I want to get to a couple of other things,

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Speaker 1: and we certainly have plenty of time the rest of

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Speaker 1: you'd call them role players for lack of a better term,

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Speaker 1: that he's averaging I believe it's around nineteen yards per

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Speaker 1: his one play against the Chicago Bears was a huge

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Speaker 1: a guy I don't know how there's certain guys have

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Speaker 1: for being able to get yards after the catch. Kumaro

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Speaker 1: beginning of that play. Jake Kumro didn't know whether or

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Speaker 1: you know here, the footsteps make you double think catching

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Speaker 1: But Kumro stayed true to all of his fundamentals, all

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Speaker 1: Clinton Dixon turns up field. The one thing everyone wants

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Speaker 1: beginning that Jake Kumar reminds me of a lot of

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Speaker 1: nothing given to them. They just need to drop one

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Speaker 1: they did every single thing right. And Matt Lafleur went

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Speaker 1: guy more involved. Elvis Witted, his receiver's coach, said, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of player that I think when you look about a

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Speaker 1: but he's the guy that when he steps up and

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Speaker 1: create opportunities for him to make big plays at critical

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Speaker 1: points and football games. Yeah, and he's also he is

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Speaker 1: one of many receivers in this Packers wide receiver corps

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Speaker 1: game and whatnot, and that is why he gets the

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Speaker 1: not that this would qualified because he doesn't have enough catches.

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Speaker 1: The league leader right now is twenty yards per catch.

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Speaker 1: I believe that was Mike Williams from the charge from

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. Yeah, so it just shows you. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: he needs more of a workload. But that's the type

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Speaker 1: pass rusher, Mike, you throw them out there, you get

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Speaker 1: celebratory cakes for his guys when they get a sack. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're not walking out of that outside linebacker's room with

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Speaker 1: right as you're supposed to be learned from. Well, I

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Speaker 1: that's a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Please

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