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Speaker 1: A brilliant man on a serious topic.

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Speaker 2: It's one more thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm one more thing.

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Speaker 2: Serious.

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Speaker 1: Oh, a brilliant man, Douglas Murray on a serious topic.

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Speaker 1: Anybody have anything that you want to throw in before

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Speaker 1: we get down to business. I got a fair amount

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Speaker 1: of audio here. Why don't we just get to all right?

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Speaker 1: What are you laughing at?

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Speaker 2: Katie?

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Speaker 3: I have something that if I say it, you're you specifically, Joe,

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Speaker 3: You'll just be like, get off the show?

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Speaker 1: Oh boy is it? Why did it leap to mind?

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Speaker 2: I feel like I need to know this.

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Speaker 3: I got a random text from a friend yesterday informing

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Speaker 3: me that a group of young males is known as

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Speaker 3: a scrot.

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Speaker 2: Like I heard murder of crows, So you'd say, a

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Speaker 2: scrope just came through here.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I told my son go be safe when

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Speaker 3: he went to go hang out with his scroat.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: And we really do have to get started on the

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Speaker 1: brilliance of Douglas Murray and anti Semitism. But I have

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Speaker 1: read those very amusing lists of a group of crows

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Speaker 1: as a murder or a group of hens or whatever. That's

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Speaker 1: a clutch, that's a whatever, and a lot of them

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Speaker 1: are really weird, and who decided in the beginning that

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Speaker 1: everything just wouldn't be a herd if you say a

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Speaker 1: herd of crows or a flock or a flock of

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Speaker 1: cow of cattle. Why do we need different words?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I like a scroat of young

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Speaker 1: That is, that's terrible.

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Speaker 2: That's my contribution.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I wish you had not brought it up. You're right,

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Speaker 1: I need to just listen to you when you warn

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Speaker 1: us so. On a much more serious topic, Douglas Murray

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Speaker 1: gave a speech in Paris recently talking about Israel and

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Speaker 1: Hamas and anti Semitism. We have divided a substantial part

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Speaker 1: as desired. Michael were starting with ninety there. We should

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Speaker 1: have gotten ready for that, and we'll go from there.

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Speaker 1: Hit it.

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Speaker 4: I've spent most of the months since the seventh October

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Speaker 4: the conflicts I think it's possible for non combatant to see.

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Speaker 4: I've been I went to all of the massacre sites

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Speaker 4: of time with the survivors, the families of the hostages.

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Speaker 4: I've been in the morgues of Tel Aviv where they're

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Speaker 4: still trying to identify the dead. One young man's body

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Speaker 1: This is more than just a recitation of horror. He's

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Speaker 1: working toward greater points. But roll on, Michael.

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Speaker 4: The things that struck me most after the seventh October

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Speaker 4: their friends raped and murdered in front of them. One

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Speaker 4: who didn't make it into his car and was lynched

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Speaker 4: said to me, what would you do if this happened

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Speaker 4: it has. It has happened in my society, in my Europe,

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Speaker 4: terrorists are the same. It happened here in Paris at

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Speaker 4: the butterclar It happened in Manchester, twenty two young girls

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Speaker 4: scale was different, but the perpetrators are all the same.

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Speaker 4: They're always the same people who, whether in Toulouse or

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Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with that list of four Mumbai

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Speaker 4: Consider this in every European capital as well as in America,

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Speaker 4: photographs of the Israeli hostages still in captivity by Hamaz

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Speaker 4: find the person and punish them. Yet, when the missing

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Speaker 4: there's no crime in being a man either, these posters

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a stunning point right there. You have got

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Speaker 2: to be some sort of warped individual, and apparently there

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Speaker 2: Even if you believe all of the nonsense of the

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Speaker 2: land belonged to the Palestinians and the Jewish people stole it.

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Speaker 2: Even if you believe all that stuff. You're still against

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. But there's

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Speaker 1: example after example just in the last century of ideology,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew it happened the way humans are. I

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Speaker 1: The brilliant Douglas Murray in the final clip.

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Speaker 4: One other consideration we have all for years heard the

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Speaker 4: Believe all women, But where was the solidarity, Where was

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Speaker 4: psycho pathology and suicidalism of queers for Palestine, who are

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Speaker 4: a branch of Turkeys for Christmas. It was Hermaz that

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Speaker 4: They've been fooled by Hermas propaganda into imagining that Israel

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Speaker 4: returned the Jewish hostages, but if the Palestinians in Gaza

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Speaker 4: not to aspire to a cult of death, but to

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Speaker 4: join Israel in a belief in life, not to believe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is something that whole believe all woman me too.

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Speaker 2: Thing that obviously the road stopped on that at Jewish

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was. We had a clip this

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Speaker 2: There was no rape that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there, and I'm looking at this huge

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Speaker 2: All of them. But that does help their argument. They

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Speaker 1: show Are the Armstrong and Getting on demand, you're going

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Speaker 1: Is another thinker who I admire even when I don't

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Speaker 1: Have the Israelis made mistakes, of course, do the Jews

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Speaker 1: which of course Palestine once was. And then it goes

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Speaker 1: that for fundamentalists, killing people to achieve their goals is

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Speaker 1: just a hunky dory. But I think the point that

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Speaker 1: Sam Harris is making is absolutely fundamental.

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Speaker 2: To all of this.

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Speaker 1: They can't come to a settlement with Israel and reach

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Speaker 1: a two state solution. They want a one state solution,

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Speaker 1: even if everybody dies, everybody on both sides. Two state solution.

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Speaker 1: Please sell your idiot fantasies somewhere else. We're not buying.

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Speaker 2: I'm not buying. Yeah. So the question is Secretary of

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Speaker 2: They're saying, and they won't do that unless one the

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Speaker 2: But whether or not they actually mean that or not

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Speaker 2: is an open question, Like if MBS might be willing

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Speaker 2: to say, yeah, and you have to commit to us

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Speaker 2: two state solutions sometime, but doesn't actually enforce it.

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Speaker 1: Right for domestic political consumption, much as Anthony Blankett is

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Speaker 1: desperate for things to calm down a little bit for

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Speaker 1: domestic political consumption.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so those are the next steps there. That'd be

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Speaker 2: a huge deal.

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Speaker 1: Again, if politics was restricted to people only saying what

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Speaker 1: they actually meant, that like eighty percent of it would vanish.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.