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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast part of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: We are proudly presented by BET three sixty five. I

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Speaker 1: am Chad Melman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network,

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Speaker 1: and I am joined as I am every episode by

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Speaker 1: my co host, my companion, my compadre, my BFF, professional

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Speaker 1: better Simon Hunter Eto. Soyman, can you hear me? Can

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Speaker 1: you hear what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: I can, Chad, and Chad is alluding to I have swimmers,

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Speaker 2: ear people, I am one of the toughest podcasters in

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Speaker 2: the world, toughing it out and being here to give

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Speaker 2: you horrible football takes in the middle of July.

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is what happens when you live the life

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Speaker 1: of luxury, the injuries that happened when you're are slumming

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Speaker 1: it in Hawaii, you get swimmers here.

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Speaker 2: It's true, and I just want to love the record show.

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Speaker 2: We're taking off multiple weeks so check can go on

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Speaker 2: vacation where I drove across country, moved to Hawaii and

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Speaker 2: never missed a show. So that just lets you know

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Speaker 2: where I'm at and where chat is that that I

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Speaker 2: can do all this.

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Speaker 3: Chad's going somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I think that what are you going the north northeast, northwest, northwest, Chad,

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Speaker 2: Chad time off.

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Speaker 1: So yes, a little bit of a little bit behind

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Speaker 1: the curtain. We are recording this at the the end

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Speaker 1: of June. It's obviously not airing until middle of July.

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Speaker 1: It's what we call the business an evergreen show. When

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Speaker 1: as this is airing, I will be in Bend, Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, are you doing any thing with like Prefontaine,

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Speaker 2: anything with Nike or just going and check out?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to run across country because you know

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Speaker 1: I'm not good to shape, and I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: end in Bend. No, my mysis there has a house

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Speaker 1: in Bend, Oregon. We're gonna go hang out with my

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Speaker 2: You definitely got to do the National parks, right, there's

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Speaker 2: a bunch of really good National parks by We're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna We're gonna do everything you can do that involves

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Speaker 1: nature in Bend, Oregon. Because you know, when people think

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Speaker 1: of me, they think outdoorsman, and so we like to

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Speaker 1: enjoy everything that this great country has to offer.

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Speaker 3: God bless America. Chef.

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Speaker 1: All Right, last off season, Simon, you and I ranked

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Speaker 1: our top ten quarterbacks into twenty twenty two, along with

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Speaker 1: our friend Colin Cowherd from The Volume. Our friends at

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Speaker 1: the Volume. Today, we're going to update the lists for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three with another very special guest. Some would

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Speaker 1: say he's more of an expert on football than Colin Cowherd,

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Speaker 1: he just doesn't yell about it as much. We're joined

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Speaker 1: by fantasy guru Rich Riebar, NFL expert at Sharp Football Analysis,

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Speaker 1: I know it is because I've seen the numbers. Rich,

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Speaker 1: How are you, buddy.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good. I wish I was going somewhere cool

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Speaker 4: like Oregon or Hawaii. Uh, you know for fourth of July.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to put In Bay this weekend. That's a

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Speaker 4: big step down from you guys.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, we're going through our top ten quarterback rankings.

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Speaker 1: I did a significant amount of research for this. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even kidding. Who doesn't love ranking quarterbacks. It's the

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Speaker 1: most fun thing you can do. Whatever criteria we're going

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Speaker 1: to use, we need to define when we begin our

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Speaker 1: listing process. So these aren't statistical, These aren't fantasy projections

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Speaker 1: for the upcoming season. These are a ranking of what

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks do we, as people who are in the betting space,

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Speaker 1: trust the most. Who do we distrust the least. You know,

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Speaker 1: we talked a lot about this last year, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: here we go, Simon, these were our twenty twenty two rankings. Okay,

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Speaker 1: these are yours first, and then I want to get

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Speaker 1: to your list. You add Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, Kyler Murray. Tell me your twenty twenty three list,

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Speaker 1: and remind everybody what is your criteria.

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Speaker 2: I mean, other than the fact that we're just doing

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Speaker 2: so that it's weighted against my biggest value towards the line, right.

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Speaker 3: That's why I did last year.

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Speaker 2: It was like, okay, who has the most weight towards

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Speaker 2: about it. It's like I want the guy who can

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter the next round they're out there, they're just

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Speaker 3: Like I love that whole mentality.

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Speaker 2: Talking about Joe Burrow, He's that kind of guy I

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Speaker 2: That to me is something I really do look for.

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Speaker 2: So you know, last year, looking at that list you

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Speaker 3: We both.

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Speaker 2: Again, it's impossible because it's one, A, one and B,

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Speaker 2: but we probably should have Mahomes above Allan.

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Speaker 2: Last year, the whole thought process was Allan was going

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Speaker 2: Mahomes went on to win.

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Speaker 2: So I would say both me and Chad probably had

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Speaker 2: a little bit of regret making Allen our number one QB.

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Speaker 3: It probably should have been Mahomes. But I still think

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Speaker 2: Like even after last season, I still think Alan's going

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Speaker 2: expect Mahomes to be the best. So how should I

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's start from the bottom up. It is interesting, though, Rich,

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Speaker 4: Your take, Yeah, I think Mahomes is kind of in that,

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Speaker 4: ended up getting into the meat of Mahomes. But what

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Speaker 4: just by far just puts him. I don't want to

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Speaker 4: but I don't think that it still is even close

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Speaker 1: It's more like, you know, Patrick Mahomes is one through

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm curious to get your guys' take too,

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Speaker 4: even doing this exercise where you think like a ten

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Speaker 4: in to like eight or nine I'm like, is this

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I will tell you. That's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Like I and some and maybe you did the same thing.

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Speaker 1: think in years past. Simon go from the bottom up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 2: All we was talking about, there's like these four or

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Speaker 2: five guys were all interchangeable, like Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 2: They literally have the Spider Man me Like, there is

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Speaker 2: truly no difference. It's all about your opinion and how

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Speaker 2: I still went with Stafford. I couldn't take him out

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Speaker 2: I just can't go over how smart he is and

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Speaker 2: how with Nickveigh it's just a great combo. Like again, Chad,

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Speaker 2: you know this, I'm going to be beating their drum all.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I even know it's gonna be all season,

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Speaker 2: but all precent. I'm gonna be all over this Rams

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Speaker 2: team again. They're ten to one right now at two

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Speaker 2: major books. Bet three sixty five are are sponsors. They've

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Speaker 2: dropped their number down to I think seven to one

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Speaker 2: They're just undervalued. I still have Stafford at number ten.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't drop in my top ten. So and when Stafford

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Speaker 1: Even didn't even occur to me to put Stafford in

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean. They're just he's left for debt.

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Speaker 3: So that's just how it is.

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Speaker 2: Stafford ten Watson nine. This one was actually pretty tough,

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Speaker 2: I had I had Rogers at number eight, had Trevor

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Speaker 2: I still think Herbert is still in my power rankings,

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Speaker 1: See, this is what's so interesting is and it's why

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Speaker 1: Simon, I take offense to the fact that you said

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Speaker 3: You should take offense to it. Chad. I literally this

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Speaker 2: Rich last season, I bashed Russell Wilson for four months

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Speaker 1: my twenty twenty two rankings. At the bottom. I had

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Speaker 3: You like to swing for the fences chat. That's why

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Speaker 3: I love you.

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Speaker 1: I do I go bit. You know, here's my theory

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Only thing in the middle

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Speaker 1: this is not a Homer pick, Simon. This is thinking

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Speaker 1: By this time next year, we will look back on

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Speaker 1: in a position to succeed. I just don't. And so

433
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Speaker 1: until I can see that, I am going to put

434
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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, because remember, I'm not thinking just quarterbacks. The

435
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: criteria is think about the quarterbacks that I'm going to

436
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Speaker 1: be most comfortable betting in. Quarterbacks are oftentimes victims of

437
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: their environment, or they are products in a successful way

438
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: of their environment. Justin Herbert so far has been a

439
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: victim of his environment in terms of covering the pointspread Simon.

440
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: Before we even start, I just want to say to Simon,

441
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't like you.

442
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 3: Look well.

443
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: Look, I feel like you were gonna You're gonna give

444
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 1: me comments that basically say, oh, Chad, it's gonna make

445
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: me feel bad about myself.

446
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: No, I'm learning a lot. You're You're quick to move on, Chad.

447
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: I can't believe you had Watson as your number three

448
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: guy last year.

449
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: Now he's off your list. That was that was pretty wild.

450
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 2: I kind of get where you're coming to you and Mitchell,

451
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: I get where you're coming with justin Fields again that

452
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: that it's definitely a home or pick, but it's also

453
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: you're projecting out where it's like, yeah, if if Fields

454
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: take that next step like Hurts did, I could easily

455
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: see him being number five or six. Like the kid

456
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: is probably the most gifted athlete in the league until

457
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: maybe Anthony Richardson steps on the field.

458
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: So it's not that shock and you're so high in Fields.

459
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: My my issue with Dak Prescott is he's had seven

460
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: full seasons in the league. Every year he either has

461
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 2: above average defense or above average offense. He has played

462
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 2: in zero conference final games. You can't just keep blaming

463
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: the coaches the players that somebody has to fall in Dak.

464
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: So I think it's it's the part of the Cowboys bias, right.

465
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: Like You'll hear people again, it will never make sense.

466
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: They'll be like, do you think Tony Romo is a

467
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer? It's like, what, No, do you think

468
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott's a top five quarterback?

469
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: No?

470
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: I don't, and I'd have in my top ten just

471
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: because he's disappointing me with what he's had around him

472
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: and what he's done over the last couple of years.

473
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: And the two to one again, I get where you're

474
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 2: coming from, Mahue. With two is it seems like there's

475
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: a couple of defenses that could just scheme him out.

476
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: Like the Jets really took him off his game when

477
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: they played against them last year. The forty nine Ers,

478
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: I remember, I know for a fact you remember that

479
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: game chat the forty nine ers where I believe it

480
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: was three and a half four point favorites. Everyone in

481
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: their grandma was pound in Miami, right, All the money

482
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 2: was pouring in Miami because brock Perty was a starter

483
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: for the forty nine ers. They blew them the hell out.

484
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: I think I think the Miami maybe put up fourteen points,

485
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: like maybe they had two touchdowns in the first quarter

486
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: and that was it the rest of the game.

487
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 3: Like it's just I like where you're coming from, Tua.

488
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: But my issue with two is that it's that talent

489
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 2: around him, Like he's got Wattle tyree kill.

490
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 3: We just talked about Herbert.

491
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: You put Herbert on that Miami team. I cannot see

492
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: them having the same issues they had last year that

493
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: Chargers team, So you know Tua, Dak, Justin Fields, those

494
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: three guys you have in there. Once again we're talking

495
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: about it's just a fine line between rotating these guys

496
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: in and out. I just still think Stafford should be

497
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 2: over those guys. Just because Stafford's done it, he's fully healthy.

498
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: I have to give some respect to these veteran guys

499
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: who have done it before. The same thing goes with

500
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: the Rogers. It's like, I get the hate for Rogers.

501
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: I totally understand where you're coming from, Chad having them

502
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: outside you're top ten. I just I can't say he's

503
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: falling off a cliff yet because he still had moments

504
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: last year where it wasn't totally his fault, and you

505
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: said it by midseason he was cooked, right, he kind

506
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: of gave up on that team. I just can't see

507
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: me the same weather Jets. So don't don't hate your list.

508
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: I would say my only big question mark shocker was

509
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: Toua just because again I like too. I think he's

510
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: really talented, but in his draft class, I can't put

511
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: him on the same top ten as a guy like Hertz,

512
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 2: who's you know, went to.

513
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: A super Bowl in Herbert, who is arguably.

514
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: Like the damn Marino prototype, Like they're the same type

515
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: of throwing style, the same type of build.

516
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 3: I just don't have the same respect yet for Tua.

517
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Dolphins I think are one of the most

518
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 4: fascinating teams coming into the season. To Mike McDaniels, the

519
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 4: calibration right there. The Dolphins went on like this month

520
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 4: long heater last year right before they played the forty

521
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 4: nine Ers where they scored like thirty points. They looked

522
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 4: like a juggernaut. But they did against the Lions, the Bears,

523
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: the Browns, and the Texans. Then they had to punch

524
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: up their first tech kind of test against the forty

525
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 4: nine ers, and the forty nine ers have a defensive

526
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 4: scheme that's just a nightmare for that anyways. Because of

527
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 4: their linebackers, they can play that cover three robber take

528
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: away in the middle of the fields, the guy like

529
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 4: Fred Warner. They've did that. They've given Stafford a bunch

530
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: of problems too. In McVeagh that same system, and then

531
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 4: Brandon Saley kind of figured him out. The next week

532
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: on Sunday Night Football, when kind of people were having

533
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: the argument is it tour or Herbert and.

534
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: We found out, Yeah, remember that, we find.

535
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 4: Out real quick with the answer to that and then

536
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 4: to a unfortunately, you know, got hurt the game after

537
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 4: that against the Packers, and like we kind of never

538
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: really got to see if, like there was a counter punch,

539
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 4: Like what's the Mike McDaniel counter punch this year? I

540
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: really want to see because down that back third of

541
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: the season, defense is kind of start to take away

542
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 4: the middle of the field, kind of mug those you know,

543
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 4: play a little physical with the wide receivers in the outside.

544
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 4: So I'm really curious to see how the Dolphins kind

545
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 4: of counter punch, you know, pull pull that jewel out,

546
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 4: take it, take a little beat and see what they

547
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 4: kind of come back and cook in the lab this offseason.

548
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: But the Dolphins are fast. They loaded up on defense,

549
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 4: So I'm really curious see how the Dolphins.

550
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: Look this year.

551
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Speaker 1: You Know what's interesting to me is the Milman list,

552
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: What's call it the Milman List versus the what Simon

553
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: calls the Betters List, And I put that in quotes

554
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: for those who can't see it on the YouTube. The

555
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: Millman list is much more about projections and the Better's

556
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: list is much more about past performance. And to me,

557
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: that's interesting because betters normally are thinking about projections. They're

558
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: not thinking about, Okay, what is the recency bias that

559
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: will influence my list? So I don't know, I kind

560
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: of feel like Milman's probably right here.

561
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: I would say, you're it feels like you're a year early.

562
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: It feels like you're your wishful thinking on your list,

563
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: where I'm just again not that I think Stafford is

564
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: going to take a huge leap this year, but I

565
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: still think he's just a guy that's always going to

566
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: be disrespected. He was disrespected on the lines. I was

567
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: one of the haters, right. I used to be like,

568
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: this guy has never won a playoff game. Now he's

569
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: just going to the Rams and he's gonna win a

570
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. He fucking did, so I got to give

571
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: the guy his respect. He's just one of the smarter

572
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: players in all football. So I love your upside list.

573
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: I'm just going with the old guard for now on

574
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: my list.

575
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: Rich factor betting in So it just kind of felt

576
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 4: that way. I know this is a podcast, but you

577
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: know I thought about it from like, if I can

578
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: start a team with one of these quarterbacks, just to

579
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: go all the way, like, structurally I can build around

580
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 4: these players. To me, it is hard for the Borough,

581
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: even Herbert Man, because I think if you swap them

582
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 4: to like Man, Herbert could be just as good on

583
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: the Bengals, right, Like, and really the Burrow has the

584
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: one bugaboo that like is really hard for me to

585
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 4: kind of get over. Is that the lack of sack avoidance. Right,

586
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: This is why Mahomes is such a demon. Right So,

587
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: on pressures, Mahomes has only been sacked on eleven percent

588
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: of his career pressures since heandered the league. The NFL

589
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: averages twenty percent. Justin field is thirty three percent, by

590
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 4: the way, because pressures are an offensive line stet, but

591
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 4: sacks are quarterbacks that and sacks are essentially a turnover

592
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: if it's the next worst thing you know over the

593
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 4: past five years, If you take a sack on a drive,

594
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 4: you score a touchdown at a third of the less

595
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: rate on drives when you don't, and then you or

596
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 4: even score points even kicking a field goal on half

597
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 4: you have half the success rate of even kicking a

598
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 4: field goal on that drive. So, I mean, that's what

599
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: makes Mahomes such a demon. Right, and Burrow the one

600
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: kind of flaw on his game is he takes a

601
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: ton of sacks. He eats a lot of sacks. But

602
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 4: to me, they always like, you know, I said joking

603
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: before show he came in there. I'm an eighties baby,

604
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: and Herbert and Burrow remind me so much of Montana

605
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 4: Lway growing up. Burrow is just that guy doesn't have

606
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: all the physical tools, but he's just athletic enough. He's

607
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: such a great feel for the game. He's got that

608
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 4: Montana and Herbert is that Lway like he's he's more athletic,

609
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 4: he's got a stronger arm. But we'll make a mistake

610
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 4: or two. But that's how I go back to you.

611
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 4: They're like the modern Montana Lway.

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00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: Wait, say that's stat again for the sacks, So explain it,

613
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: because that's amazing and I didn't know that.

614
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you the exact data. So over the

615
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 4: past five years, if you take a sack on a

616
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 4: drive you have owned, NFL teams have only scored on

617
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: twenty two point six percent of their drives when you

618
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 4: take any a sack on any down. If you don't

619
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: take a sack on a drive, you're scoring rate goes

620
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 4: to forty point eight percent, So you go almost cut

621
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: you cut in half to score a touchdown on per drive.

622
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: Teams that have taken a sack phone and score a

623
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 4: touchdown eight percent of drives eight percent over the past

624
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 4: five years. If you don't take a sack, you've scored

625
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: a touchdown twenty six percent of drives. Almost triple you

626
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: triple drives. You punt on fifty two percent of all

627
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 4: drives the sack, you punt on thirty three percent of

628
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: all drives without a sack. That's kind of the That's

629
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: what makes Mahomes such a demon, the sack avoidant stuff.

630
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Speaker 4: And that's probably my biggest question of Fields, you know,

631
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 4: moving forward is just you know, how many negative plays

632
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: If you look at the Bears last year when the

633
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 4: Bears didn't when Justin Fields wasn't sacked on a drive,

634
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: they were twelfth in the NFL in scoring rate per drives.

635
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: Extremely impressive, right, Like you don't think about it with

636
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: the with the offense, the lack of offensive weaponry they had,

637
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: but they were thirty first in the NFL and drives.

638
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 4: Justin Fields did take a sack, so like that's the

639
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: part of his game. He needs to clean up, you know,

640
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: adding Darnell right, adding Nate Davis like it's going to

641
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: improve the offensive line, but not converting pressures into incompletions

642
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 4: or throwaways or positive plays or something. He just has

643
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 4: to make.

644
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: That next jump in.

645
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Speaker 1: Wow, that is an amazing set. I love that.

646
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Burrow's at twenty seven percent for his career. Like

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Speaker 4: I said, nfl averages twenty percent. That's kind of the

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Speaker 4: one flaw in his game. But man, Burrow's so fucking cool.

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Speaker 1: Well that to me, Like, of our top three, I

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Speaker 1: go Alan Burrow, Mahomes, You guys both go Burrow, Alan Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: Why do you have Burrow underneath Allen Simon.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of reasons, I bet I guess the main

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Speaker 2: one is still the Allen running threat. We've just we've

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Speaker 2: never seen anything like this for this guy can take

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Speaker 2: on a linebacker like there's no other quarterback. I guess

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Speaker 2: Cam Newton was the other guy. But it's just Josh.

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Speaker 2: Allen doesn't want to be the guy like you already

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Speaker 2: talked about. He's not gonna he's gonna try to run

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Speaker 2: less this upcoming season. But that is just the ultimate

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Speaker 2: weapon we've just seen timetime. Again, that team the Bills,

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Speaker 2: and they need plays and Josh steps up. But again,

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Speaker 2: I love Joe Burrow, but I feel like there's a

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Speaker 2: couple of little things missing in Joe's game, and the

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Speaker 2: biggest one is holding on to the ball too long,

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Speaker 2: where when Josh allenhlds onto too long, he's usually breaking

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Speaker 2: it for ten yards. So again, I was actually close

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Speaker 2: to flipping Herbert and Burrow, like they were really close

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Speaker 2: to one another in the sense that Herbert. I'd have

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Speaker 2: to go back through my notebook from last year, but

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Speaker 2: I going into week seventeen, no quarterback was in more

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Speaker 2: third and sevens or longer and converted more than Herbert.

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Speaker 2: So again, they had terrible coaching. They would literally first down,

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Speaker 2: run into the middle of the center. Second down, he

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Speaker 2: would take some deep shot, it would be incomplete, and

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Speaker 2: it was always thirty to eight, thirty and seven for Herbert.

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Speaker 2: If they can get a functioning offense like Eagles, ranging

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Speaker 2: Eagles are always in third and three, third and four,

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Speaker 2: tons of options. You have a guy like Hertz, you

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Speaker 2: have to count the same kind of feeling with Herbert.

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Speaker 2: Like Herbert can run, he's in a good athlete. There's

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Speaker 2: plenty of stuff you can do with him on short

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Speaker 2: doamage where he was in a lot of bats actually

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Speaker 2: where Burrow, again they had a rough start to the season.

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Speaker 2: We talk all the time. Check this guy has incredible weapons, right,

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Speaker 2: he probably has a three You are the three best

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Speaker 2: receiving corps in football last season, and we expect them.

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Speaker 3: To be just as good this year.

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Speaker 2: So with Burrow, I'm again I'm not trying to be

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Speaker 2: down on him.

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Speaker 3: We already talked statistically they they.

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Speaker 2: Them for them to win their division this year, to

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Speaker 2: win the NF the AFC North three years in a row,

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Speaker 2: you probably got probably could have got one thousand and

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Speaker 2: one odds on that three years ago. Ben the Bengals

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Speaker 2: to win their division three years in a row. So

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Speaker 2: it feels like a lot of stuff's gonna catch up

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Speaker 2: to Joe Burrow and that since the team this year,

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Speaker 2: where you know, Josh Allen, I just think he's still

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Speaker 2: above it. Like even though he hasn't been to the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl like Joe Burrow has, I still think Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen is right now the one A one B to

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Speaker 2: Mahomes like Mahomes is still he's the best. Like I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to try to even talk around the athleticism

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Speaker 2: of Josh Allen being better than Mahomes, just because we

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Speaker 2: saw last year, like we talked in the preseason, the

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Speaker 2: Mahomes going back to the two tight ends set was

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Speaker 2: going to be good for Mahomes and that offense of

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: Do we know that's all we really needed? Right?

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Speaker 2: That was how you stopped having the two deep cover

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Speaker 2: safeties and that really changed everything about Chiefs team.

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Speaker 3: It's just little things like that chat. So as much

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Speaker 3: as I think Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: Is right there with Josh Allen, I think it's more

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Speaker 2: closer Joe Burrow and Herbert than is Josh Awen and Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: Wow, wow, I did not you guys. You guys are

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Speaker 1: so high in Herbert. Are you rich? Final thoughts on

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Speaker 1: closer to Burrow and Herbert than Burrow and Allen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think just the it's the combination of ceiling

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Speaker 4: for Alan is what separates him and makes them kind

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Speaker 4: of like a like the like a mini tier at two. Right,

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Speaker 4: Just the combination of being able to have that guy

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Speaker 4: that can break out of a three hundred and seventy

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Speaker 4: five pound defensive lineman wrapped around you Chris Jones spinning

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Speaker 4: out and making a play right, Like you go back

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Speaker 4: to two years ago in that AFC Championship game, or

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Speaker 4: was he it was the divisional round game. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: the Chiefs Bills game. I mean, Josh Allen had multiple

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Speaker 4: plays dead in the water, just they were dead and

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Speaker 4: he turned the east. He's converting these wild plays. So

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Speaker 4: it's the combination of ceiling and he's the passing acumen

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Speaker 4: too that I think Burrow is a better passer, but

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Speaker 4: it's not like Alan. The gap from Burrow to Alan

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Speaker 4: as a passer is going to make up the ground

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Speaker 4: of the gap that Allan is as an athlete from Burrow, right,

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Speaker 4: And that's what kind of separates them from me.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I'll give this to you, guys. I do

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Speaker 1: feel like your analysis on Herbert Burrow Alan Mahomes is

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Speaker 1: more thoughtful and sophisticated than mine on Loving Burrow and

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Speaker 1: why I have him at number two. I'll give you that,

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Speaker 1: but I'm still taking my top ten over your top

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