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Speaker 5: Records every day every day because every day is what
Speaker 5: what your birthday?
Speaker 3: I want to write it happy birthday himself.
Speaker 1: You ain't ever gonna have the song stolen from you
Speaker 1: at twelve on a million copies.
Speaker 3: That happy birthday.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm yelling.
Speaker 3: I love it. Thanks having me, man, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: You do this ship? Was that your year? That's not yeah,
Speaker 3: that's having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, bro, like you know, our pod is is
Speaker 1: a flower pod to give you the flowers.
Speaker 2: You so right. I don't know if we have enough
Speaker 2: flowers in here.
Speaker 5: Already said we didn't have enough room on we didn't
Speaker 5: have enough he said, what are those?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 1: It's so much information and so much great musical conversation
Speaker 1: that hopefully we can get to some of it. We
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be able to get to most of it
Speaker 1: because we would be here for a few days.
Speaker 3: Hopefully we do a part two. Maybe that could be
Speaker 3: the first part to what we should do is.
Speaker 2: We should do this.
Speaker 5: As hard as it was to get him to come
Speaker 5: on this podcast, he don't do this ship he like
Speaker 5: he already said.
Speaker 3: But this is special. I think what you guys are doing,
Speaker 3: it's such a magical environment. I think it's it's just
Speaker 3: think it's very important, it's very needed, and it's something
Speaker 3: that's been missing, you know, for a while. So I
Speaker 3: applaud you.
Speaker 1: Guys, Thank you, thank you. I think we I think
Speaker 1: we do this. And then I think the other piece
Speaker 1: of information is if you haven't even done it yet,
Speaker 1: is people need to really see you at work.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: The idea behind like like.
Speaker 1: Like like what Jason Joshua Joshua does when people actually
Speaker 1: sit and get to watch him.
Speaker 3: In action action. Yeah, I would love that because that's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the magic. That's the magic that's different, and that
Speaker 3: is exactly what you are. Brother. Oh thank you man,
Speaker 3: I'm saying that. Thank you.
Speaker 2: So let's get let's let's get into you know.
Speaker 5: R the way you were able to invess something, which
Speaker 5: it starts with Yes, listen, I want to go back
Speaker 5: to the beginning, because what you the story of you
Speaker 5: rapping a song at twelve?
Speaker 2: Yeah, having it, having the lyrics word for word, bar
Speaker 2: for bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they borrowed them. Did you ever get the Soldier.
Speaker 2: And go platinum with it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, man, I was. I was twelve in a
Speaker 3: group and it.
Speaker 2: Was a group.
Speaker 3: It was hilarious, t w C together, we chill, it
Speaker 3: was absolutely. We had a song too with the hook
Speaker 3: with that hood. No, it was embarrassing. You know why
Speaker 3: we embraced it as kids because Red from ABC came
Speaker 3: up with it and I'm like, a b see, tw
Speaker 3: was like, okay, there's some letters. We got our own letters,
Speaker 3: not thinking I'm like letter, I'm like, this is corny
Speaker 3: as shite, But in the moment, it was the dude
Speaker 3: from ABC giving us a letter and cracking it was pop. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm like it was eight years old to twelve on
Speaker 3: solcial Train Performance. So I was inspired. But you know,
Speaker 3: at that time, Chris Cross came out dissing them with
Speaker 3: Jump Jump on everybody. That was a direct disc that
Speaker 3: was a battle wrap for kids. In what was that
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three, ninety two, I was twelve years old.
Speaker 3: Read was thirteen, and Read was my manager. Strange enough, yeah,
Speaker 3: thirteen yearner. I had a thirteen year od manager and
Speaker 3: I was twelve.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, it's called big business, yeah man, because
Speaker 5: I'm forty eight, yeah and your forty five.
Speaker 2: You forty five. So when I was young, your.
Speaker 3: Like, listen to me. I know, I've been through the ropes.
Speaker 3: I've been doing this shit half my life. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So and I actually, you know, I mean, I wrote
Speaker 3: a rap that was dissing Criss Cross and because he
Speaker 3: was that's my homies. So I'm like, yeah, just dissed them.
Speaker 3: And don't think you know what I'm saying because they
Speaker 3: don't really. They were like yeah songs, I ea shared
Speaker 3: the playground, like they weren't built for that. So I
Speaker 3: wrote a rap, you know, dissing them, and I wrapped
Speaker 3: it through Red and he was like, man, do it again.
Speaker 3: He kept throughout the day, kept saying me, like, have
Speaker 3: me recite this rhyme? Then Red disappears, ABC disappears for
Speaker 3: six months, like man, that was my manager. Now he's
Speaker 3: just not even answering my calls. And then I go
Speaker 3: to seventh grade and my friend Kevin is like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: remember that rap you recited to me. He's like, I
Speaker 3: think it's on this album that Michael Bivens put out
Speaker 3: on the Big ten compilation All for One, One for All.
Speaker 3: That was the first single off for It was like,
Speaker 3: oh for One and one for All. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you guys remember that. And he had the Boys,
Speaker 3: de Men, ABC, BBD, the East Coast fam So that
Speaker 3: was the whole compilation. I listened to it on a
Speaker 3: cassette player in Holmes home room in the seventh grade
Speaker 3: and I hear it come on boom boom, check us
Speaker 3: like a boot tick Tactoe, Chris cross him out the box,
Speaker 3: happy jumping, not just so. And I'm like, and I
Speaker 3: was so confused because I was so happy. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I was sad because I'm like, wait, let me open
Speaker 3: up the credits. And then I looked at the credits
Speaker 3: and understood credits. I understood credits. Well, yeah, I understood
Speaker 3: what the credits were because you know, as I was
Speaker 3: making music, man, I sucked at it, but I was
Speaker 3: making it enough to know that the people in the
Speaker 3: credits were the ones that were behind the you know,
Speaker 3: the magic. So I went to read the credits, I'm
Speaker 3: looking for my name, and I'm like, well, where's Red's name?
Speaker 3: And then I didn't get credit. Read didn't credit. The
Speaker 3: manager of the group at the time, not gonna put
Speaker 3: nobody out there. But they got the credit, they got
Speaker 3: the publishing for it, and that was like the first
Speaker 3: time actually had something like a copyright storming from me.
Speaker 3: I just happened to be twelve years old. It was
Speaker 3: a young lesson. Yeah, I was in the seventh grade
Speaker 3: in the middle of College Park. Did you have any.
Speaker 5: Any ideas of like, I gotta get to somebody to
Speaker 5: tell them that's my song.
Speaker 3: I I didn't even think about that because I just
Speaker 3: was said I was twelve, man, I had no They
Speaker 3: were my connection to the industry. It was Red, you know,
Speaker 3: so outside of Red and in Row Row, those are
Speaker 3: the only two people I knew the industry. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: when they disappeared, I didn't have any I had no
Speaker 3: other way. So I didn't even think to like, like,
Speaker 3: how could I even try to fight to get credit.
Speaker 3: I was just happy and hurt at the same time.
Speaker 3: It was like the Yen and the Yang, and I
Speaker 3: was like excited but disappointed. You know, It's like, man,
Speaker 3: this is my like this is I can hear it,
Speaker 3: but it's not. It's nobody gonna know, So you know,
Speaker 3: I kept that. I kept that story secret awhile because
Speaker 3: I was more embarrassed by at a younger age than
Speaker 3: I was like using it to show people that, like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: you could get ripped off at a young age. There's
Speaker 3: no there's no age limit on get ripped off. So
Speaker 3: but I didn't. I didn't tell anybody for a while, man,
Speaker 3: And then I started thinking it was it was cool
Speaker 3: to just be a voice for people who get ripped
Speaker 3: off at a young age and be like, hey, you're
Speaker 3: not the only one. You know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 3: you learn from those things you learn had I learned
Speaker 3: at a young age, like publishing is something I didn't
Speaker 3: even know what it was, and I'm like, this is
Speaker 3: something serious. And then it took my cousin, Courtney Bear.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys know Big Big Bear
Speaker 3: who discovered one twelve and Jagged Edge at one talent show.
Speaker 3: My cousin how I got into the music business. My
Speaker 3: cousin Courtney Bear seals he's working. He works with Killing
Speaker 3: Mike right now. He discovered at one talent show Tri
Speaker 3: Cities High School one twelve and Jacket Edge. One twelve's
Speaker 3: name used to be called Forte. It was the name
Speaker 3: of him, and then Jagged Edge. I forget what the
Speaker 3: name was, but it wasn't jagged Ash. Then he went
Speaker 3: on and introduced one twelve to Puff Daddy, and Puffed
Speaker 3: Daddy gave him the name one twelve and Jagged Ash
Speaker 3: went on to Social Death for Jamaina prix Man. He
Speaker 3: went and managed one twelve, moved to New York. They
Speaker 3: came out the first album sold the million records. Cupid
Speaker 3: only you big success. Yeah, came back and was like
Speaker 3: poop be you know you can make money writing songs.
Speaker 3: I'm like wow. He was like, I'm gonna put you
Speaker 3: in with the guys, gonna see if you have a
Speaker 3: chemistry with any synergy with with Doran and see how
Speaker 3: it goes. Maybe he'll work with you. So he takes
Speaker 3: me over, drops me over. Durn Jones shout out to
Speaker 3: durran Q was there, you know, quinn Is Parker and
Speaker 3: we created the song Anywhere. Duran had already started it
Speaker 3: and already was working on it, and I just came
Speaker 3: and added to the record Anywhere and that was my
Speaker 3: first hit.
Speaker 2: Anywhere is your first hit?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah man, yeah I was in high school.
Speaker 3: I was in the eleventh grade. Yeah yeah. And mind
Speaker 3: you when that came out, it didn't sound like anything like,
Speaker 3: it didn't sound like anything, so might be what it was.
Speaker 3: What sample is that it's interpolation original? That was Iran
Speaker 3: Duran didn't sample nothing. The only thing that you're talking
Speaker 3: about the replay was a wicked wicked, wicked. It's over now,
Speaker 3: it's ober now. That was Mob Deep. Wiga wiga wigga
Speaker 3: wiggle wiggle. That's the only got Anywhere was straight original.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no, Barn Barron. But the one they
Speaker 3: did rip was the that Mob Deep. Remember that It's
Speaker 3: over now? Yeah? Yeah man, yeah yeah yeah, he too
Speaker 3: hot to stop. Yeah man, that's your question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I can backtrack for a second, Okay, did
Speaker 1: you hearing your rap, your lyrics on on that ABC song,
Speaker 1: did that give you an indicator that you could really
Speaker 1: do this ship or or did it take you just
Speaker 1: a little while longer after that before you even settled
Speaker 1: into the idea of being able to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I really that never really registered what happened
Speaker 3: then that it was like, Wow, I did something that
Speaker 3: came out that was good enough to come out and
Speaker 3: and generate a mile. Yeah I wasn't. I didn't put
Speaker 3: two and two together then, but it did do something
Speaker 3: to myself. Was staying this a little bit to where
Speaker 3: it was like, well, it must have been cool if
Speaker 3: they stole it. It must have been good enough for
Speaker 3: them to steal. So that did something. It gave me
Speaker 3: inspiration to be in a group.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I started a group called Young Harmony. I was My
Speaker 3: name was Harmony. My friend's name was Young because I
Speaker 3: used to harmonize. I couldn't sing really, but I had
Speaker 3: a great year and we went on. We signed our
Speaker 3: first deal like a few months after that happened. I
Speaker 3: was still twelve years old. I signed my first record
Speaker 3: deal with a label called Jungle Jes Records. And our
Speaker 3: friend tell you what our advance was. We got paid
Speaker 3: in advance. We got an advance though, let me tell
Speaker 3: you what it was. It was a Genie suit. I
Speaker 3: got a green one and then my homie got a
Speaker 3: yellow one. We looked like a sprit commercial. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: look like the Sprite.
Speaker 2: Coming because I've had actual jungle.
Speaker 3: Actual see I thought in the car.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you're talking.
Speaker 3: You're talking about the jungle Jungle. I got you got okay? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: many yeah yeah yeah, the Jungle day Yeah, Jungle Juice
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, love.
Speaker 2: You man, don't Yeah.
Speaker 3: How old were you were?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 3: Were you? Okay? It was okay. I would say that's
Speaker 3: child abuse. But if you're in the abuse, you get
Speaker 3: a gee suit for an advance as your and our
Speaker 3: manager took the whatever money it was that we were
Speaker 3: supposed to, so it was some money. It probably was
Speaker 3: a little bit of money. But he brought us Jeanie
Speaker 3: suits and and kept the difference, kept the difference and
Speaker 3: then ended up and then he ran off. He ran
Speaker 3: off this beard and all this is said. Twelve I
Speaker 3: was twelve, yeah, man, And so we had a single
Speaker 3: out man because She's turning Me on. That was my
Speaker 3: first single, and we had an album released party, a
Speaker 3: single release party on there Forget That and through Jungle
Speaker 3: Juice Records, and so it was it was an independent label. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The guy, the owner's name was Michael Jackson, same as yeah,
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson, and he used to lock us in the
Speaker 3: studio and I never forget that, and I didn't realize
Speaker 3: that that was a fire hazard till I got older.
Speaker 4: I'm like, wait, boy, I thought you were just using
Speaker 4: the term us.
Speaker 3: He would work outside the door of the studio and
Speaker 3: lock us in from the outside so we couldn't get out.
Speaker 3: So it was me on the little last Yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess that will follow under the FILD spectrum. I had
Speaker 3: the little leases with the little the a AD. So
Speaker 3: I was engineering, I was making I had an SB
Speaker 3: twelve hundred and I was making beats, I was writing songs,
Speaker 3: I was doing choreography, I was doing everything, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. And he would come back in the
Speaker 3: sun to be down let us out. And then I
Speaker 3: had the My mom always let me go. She was like,
Speaker 3: no matter what, you got to go to school. I
Speaker 3: don't care if you worked till four in the morning.
Speaker 3: She was like, you just got to go to school.
Speaker 3: So my mom always let me. She used to drop
Speaker 3: us off at the studio, me and my singing with
Speaker 3: my group, and she's just like, look, you just gotta
Speaker 3: go to school. I don't care. You can stay all night,
Speaker 3: but by five o'clock you need to be coming home,
Speaker 3: taking a shower and getting ready to go to school
Speaker 3: at seven thirty. And so wow, yeah, so she let
Speaker 3: me do that. I support my mom, you know, thank
Speaker 3: my mom for supporting me and dropping us off. She
Speaker 3: was like our uber back before uber, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 3: And she believed and she really was just a positive
Speaker 3: like she just always told me I could do anything
Speaker 3: and be anything I wanted to be. And I always
Speaker 3: told my mom. I was like, and my grandma, I
Speaker 3: was like, man, I'm gonna move us out of the hood,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And my grandma was so
Speaker 3: at that age like bless your heart, like you don't
Speaker 3: understand that black people don't move out of the hood,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But you could tell like
Speaker 3: energy never seen light and buts she used to see me. Man.
Speaker 3: So I grew up. My dad left when I was
Speaker 3: seven and a half eight. He left two weeks later.
Speaker 3: It was a tornado, like the only tornado in Connecticut history.
Speaker 3: And new Haven is like, you know, still one of
Speaker 3: the poor. So you're originally from originally from New Haven, Connecticut,
Speaker 3: one of the poorer cities in America, and the tornado
Speaker 3: came to up our apartment and then we were homeless.
Speaker 3: So me and my mom and my brother were homeless
Speaker 3: from I was homeless from like age eight until ten.
Speaker 3: So we slept everywhere, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 3: slept wherever we could sleep, and we ate when we
Speaker 3: could eat. And the church did an offering one day
Speaker 3: and they gave my mom like four thousand dollars. I'll
Speaker 3: never forget that. And then we moved to Atlanta and
Speaker 3: started over there, but we still, you know, were struggling
Speaker 3: there and we ended up living with my grandmother and
Speaker 3: it was like eight of us in a two bedroom apartment.
Speaker 3: So I slept on the floor till I I probably
Speaker 3: slept on the floor till I was about sixteen. I
Speaker 3: got I was when I started I started to flo
Speaker 3: You were sixteen, Yeah, man, I started making my first
Speaker 3: like after anywhere. I started getting a little ass cap
Speaker 3: checks and I need so what what ages? I was
Speaker 3: seventh sixteen, and then it came out when I was seven.
Speaker 3: I did it with dorm I was sixteen. Came out
Speaker 3: when I was seventeen going seventeen, and then it went
Speaker 3: in from like ninety seven to ninety eight. We can
Speaker 3: do it anywhere. It was out. And then I also
Speaker 3: worked with Pink when she was Burgundy. She was making
Speaker 3: R and B music, So I don't call her pink.
Speaker 3: She was black, she was Burgundy. Can't she was pink? Yeah,
Speaker 3: her next album she went pink. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I worked with I got the Burgundy Pink, but those
Speaker 3: were you know. I told my mom and my grandmother.
Speaker 3: Then I was like, I'm gonna move us out of here.
Speaker 3: And I never forget, like, get my first little ask
Speaker 3: cap check. I didn't have a bank account. I went
Speaker 3: to the check cashing place and they take four percent out.
Speaker 3: I never forget that. I was like, went in there
Speaker 3: with a check and came out with money, and I
Speaker 3: was like, wow, you care about before? Yep, it was
Speaker 3: about four thousand, seven hundred dollars. I bought a cell phone.
Speaker 3: I never forget that that first thing. My first purchase
Speaker 3: was a cell phone. And then I bought a bed.
Speaker 3: I was like, my first time. And then I started
Speaker 3: renting a room from my cousin because I didn't want
Speaker 3: to sleep on the floor in the two bedroom apartment
Speaker 3: with my It was like it was eight of us,
Speaker 3: so ended up renting the room from Bear, who discovered
Speaker 3: once twelve. And then I got my first I bought
Speaker 3: my first bag and I was like sixteen seventeen seventeen.
Speaker 5: So I had anybody in a position to move you forward,
Speaker 5: had anybody identified it as far as like I'm invest in.
Speaker 3: Him or not? Well you ever had changed up? It
Speaker 3: was like it was always like drug dealers, man, Thank
Speaker 3: god for the drug.
Speaker 4: Shout out to the dope boys. Listen, we all come
Speaker 4: from it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because they was our first investors. Absolutely, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. They was the first hedge fund
Speaker 3: dope the dope community with the first venture capitalist. Yes,
Speaker 3: but yeah they got for that. And then yeah, what
Speaker 3: happened was, I don't know, you guys know KP come on,
Speaker 3: pray this. He gave me my first record deal in
Speaker 3: a group I was in called Friction, and we signed
Speaker 3: on the Face Records in nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety six. Actually,
Speaker 3: so even with that, our then manager ran off with
Speaker 3: our advents. He took our advents. It's the second time.
Speaker 4: You're you're still not eighteen years old, still was still
Speaker 4: a high school.
Speaker 3: I'm still a high school.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't fully understand what comes along with the business.
Speaker 3: Nah, I didn't even know what. I didn't eve know
Speaker 3: what publishing was.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: My cousin was like, you could make money. I'm like
Speaker 3: how he was like, you write songs and you get publishing,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, are.
Speaker 4: They showing you these contracts?
Speaker 3: Are they showing your mother these contracts? No? No, no no.
Speaker 3: So it was no contract, well my record contract. No.
Speaker 3: I was just and it's so crazy how how it works. Man.
Speaker 3: Like when I was signed as a as a twelve
Speaker 3: year old, the person who signed us, he signed us
Speaker 3: under a management deal and a production deal. You remember
Speaker 3: those days, right, But they tried to but I didn't know.
Speaker 3: In my production contract he was taking fifty percent of
Speaker 3: my publishing, and in my management contract he was taking
Speaker 3: the other fifty percent of my publishing. So I didn't
Speaker 3: have I didn't have one hundred percent. I didn't even own.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what publishing was, and I didn't
Speaker 3: own it. But the way God works is like my
Speaker 3: contract ran out with both of those when I turned sixteen.
Speaker 3: So the second I actually had my first placement on
Speaker 3: my publishing and I didn't even know what it was.
Speaker 3: But he was trying to get us to re sign,
Speaker 3: and then this other this dope. It was like, nah, man,
Speaker 3: he got your publishing and don't resign. Then we ended
Speaker 3: up signing with my family with BMF Man. BMF was
Speaker 3: like the first you know they gave me, you know, say,
Speaker 3: they gave us a record deal. They paid us in cash.
Speaker 3: That's my family. Yeah, Bro, I turned nineteen. DMF Man me,
Speaker 3: I was there. Yeah, and me. She used to always
Speaker 3: tell me like, look, we all going to jail except
Speaker 3: for you. He was like, he's like, look I should
Speaker 3: have got He told us for years bro him Pops
Speaker 3: like Pops he did fourteen year he did a bid
Speaker 3: for for beingf you know. So it was like, when
Speaker 3: we go to jail, I need you to help turn
Speaker 3: my story into a movie. So he gave me so
Speaker 3: Meach gave me his life rights, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And I went I had no clue. He was like,
Speaker 3: you already in the music business. And at that time
Speaker 3: I had did Peaches and Cream danced with me. So
Speaker 3: they were looking at me like you already in the
Speaker 3: energy over them, like they were just like you know,
Speaker 3: oh well, I was eighteen. That was like cracking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but he was like, Yo, we're going to jail. You're
Speaker 3: gonna be the one to bring this project and make
Speaker 3: people understand, you know, our lifestyle and taken see it.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't know anybody in the in
Speaker 3: the film or movie industry. He was like, You're gonna
Speaker 3: figure it out. And I remember like just taking meetings
Speaker 3: with people and I'm like, yeah, I got meet his
Speaker 3: life rights. And then I met with James the Bows.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you got rember, so I thought
Speaker 3: him and he was yeah, man, James the Bow's happy birthday. Man.
Speaker 3: He was the first one that wasn't afraid to entertain.
Speaker 3: Everybody was like, nah, I want to I want to repercussions.
Speaker 3: I was like, there's no percussions, Like they're not killers.
Speaker 3: They were. They were the only crew to unite all
Speaker 3: the game bangers like they had you know. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was like blue red you know what I'm saying, Yellow
Speaker 3: everybody just come and get them out of you forget
Speaker 3: to leave your ego, leave your colors behind, and come
Speaker 3: get money. So you know that right there, I got it,
Speaker 3: brought it to James the Bowls and then from there,
Speaker 3: it took its channels to fifty cent, So thank god.
Speaker 3: And Mitch's whole plan was I want to pay taxes
Speaker 3: one to day. He's like, when I get out, I
Speaker 3: want to pay taxes. He's like, I don't want to
Speaker 3: live that life. And so, you know, shout out to
Speaker 3: fifty the Curtis man for making that that come true
Speaker 3: and sending little young young meats to acting school. And
Speaker 3: you know what I mean that was it's been a blessing,
Speaker 3: And thank you fifty cent. You know what I mean,
Speaker 3: because I used to sleep on the floor and be
Speaker 3: a meth like out in out here. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, you know, in the valley. Then we went
Speaker 3: to the Marino Valley, and then you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Then it was a time when they separated. The brothers
Speaker 3: split up in two thousand, two thousand, they split up,
Speaker 3: and Meach was like, whoever come with me, come with me,
Speaker 3: whoever stay with my brother, stay with my brother. And
Speaker 3: I stayed with me, and in my group, I started
Speaker 3: getting real jealous because of my success as a songwriter
Speaker 3: and never started calling me Hollywood. I was never Hollywood, bro.
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm still same right now, I got
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Shout out to the fact. Yeah no, yeah no. But yeah,
Speaker 6: that was like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's hard to write the record. Come on, man,
Speaker 3: ship that's you know, that's a bunch of steps. But nonetheless, man,
Speaker 3: I like being f They they were there for me. Man,
Speaker 3: we were you know, we worked, we did. It took
Speaker 3: a minute. I was like, hey, man, when we gonna record?
Speaker 3: He was like, you'll want to record? He signed the
Speaker 3: record deal with you, so we didn't understand. But we
Speaker 3: were kind of like a like a like a flex
Speaker 3: almost like it was like it was a label. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I was like, so, wait, when are we gonna record?
Speaker 3: Because I see y'all spending eighty thousand every night in
Speaker 3: the strip club. We go to the strip club. They
Speaker 3: would hand us money and I'd be like, I can't
Speaker 3: really throw this, and I would throw like thirteen dollars.
Speaker 3: I would thirt thirteen singles out of the hunting and
Speaker 3: be like, all right, nobody's gonna notice that. I ain't
Speaker 3: throw my whole hunting. You know what I'm saying? Going
Speaker 3: to my find, Yeah, I'm pocketed. Yeah, I did dedicated.
Speaker 3: I invested thirteen dollars into the dancers. But I just, man,
Speaker 3: they always liked the shout out be a meth man
Speaker 3: and like the image that they tried to paint. They
Speaker 3: weren't violent. You know, everybody protects themselves no matter what
Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't mean you're violent, and they were
Speaker 3: about you know, they were the last you know, ones
Speaker 3: to do it on that level. That brought all of
Speaker 3: our cultures together. Man, like it's dope. It was an
Speaker 3: amazing example of like, even though it was in that world,
Speaker 3: it just showed unity and show how powerful we could
Speaker 3: be if we come together, no matter what kang we're from.
Speaker 3: And I just you know, I'm I'm I'm superly Like,
Speaker 3: I'm really blessed that they were able to turn it
Speaker 3: and fifty cent was able to make that a successful
Speaker 3: show man, just because that was Mich's dream. That was
Speaker 3: all always meet. His dream was like, yo, I want
Speaker 3: to I want to want my story to be told
Speaker 3: the right way, and I want to come out and
Speaker 3: pay taxes. So everything set up for him to do
Speaker 3: just that. Man. So yeah, but that was the part.
Speaker 3: Like we go back to the investment. It was the
Speaker 3: Dope Boys, and I was like, man, you spend man.
Speaker 3: I just seen you spend five hundred thousand in this
Speaker 3: trip club last week. Can we record? And he was
Speaker 3: like yeah, he's like you want to record? I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's where we signed a recording contract with you guys. Right,
Speaker 3: So he was like, all right, set up the studio.
Speaker 3: So where did I go? What did I do? The
Speaker 3: first session we did was Circle House, so I'm the
Speaker 3: first ones to bring being met down the Circle House
Speaker 3: and then we booked it. Then that's when I never forget.
Speaker 3: Diddy was there and he was walking. He was like,
Speaker 3: hey man, you liked the studio. I was like, it's
Speaker 3: the only mind you said. Circle House was my first
Speaker 3: session studio ever worked at. When I was twelve years old.
Speaker 3: We mixed down that music from Young Harmony at the
Speaker 3: Circle House. So I was there in ninety two too,
Speaker 3: to Miami too. Well yeah, Michael with Michael Jackson with
Speaker 3: Jungle Juice took us to Miami to mix with Lewis
Speaker 3: DS who discovered pit Bull, Yes, Louis d Yes Brothers. Yes.
Speaker 3: So he mixed down my first single. He mixed down
Speaker 3: our first single when I was twelve, nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3: It was it was just mango trees and rock wellers
Speaker 3: back there. No pool no, no no house like pool House.
Speaker 3: So I talked niche in the like letting us go
Speaker 3: record there. So I booked the tour bus, I bought
Speaker 3: the study sessions, and then from there that's when I realized, like, man,
Speaker 3: we might we might be up front. I was like,
Speaker 3: when you realize, yeah, I was like, I don't think
Speaker 3: we ever coming out. I was like, I think we
Speaker 3: just looked good and they'd be like, I got a
Speaker 3: group there, Blue Daventure was rapping. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe we never coming out. Yeah, And then
Speaker 3: all the you know, all the indictments started, and that's
Speaker 3: when me was like, look, man, he always told me
Speaker 3: this throughout the years, like we're all going to jail,
Speaker 3: except for you. Ended up getting their time. Everybody got
Speaker 3: their time, and you know, dude should be getting home
Speaker 3: and uh in a few months. So that's a blessing.
Speaker 3: And when he comes home, he's gonna come home exactly
Speaker 3: the way he wanted to, with you know, his story
Speaker 3: being out there and him being able to pay some
Speaker 3: taxes as a publisher at the time.
Speaker 4: Ethiopia is like yo, Pool Beard he called is.
Speaker 3: What happy birthday? I never knew you felt like that
Speaker 3: about me. Thank you from about on my heart, No
Speaker 3: for real, bro.
Speaker 5: And when she started mentioning him one twelve records, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I do whatever session, Oh wow, because those are my
Speaker 5: commercials as young niggas, like one twelve Jagget Edge, what
Speaker 5: they were on.
Speaker 3: It was speaking to all of us.
Speaker 5: And to find out that someone our age also was
Speaker 5: writing those songs, it was like, oh yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: set that shu it up.
Speaker 3: Wow man, you know what I mean. I had a
Speaker 3: head started. I was locked in the studio at twelve,
Speaker 3: like they used to lock me in. So I think
Speaker 3: I had a lot to do it, you know, being
Speaker 3: able to do those you was gonna get your ten
Speaker 3: thousand hours no matter what. Yeah, yeah, yep. It locked
Speaker 3: me in. So so what do you now? You got
Speaker 3: these records?
Speaker 5: Yep, you've done the artist thing a little bit, you dabbling.
Speaker 3: At that point, I made in my mind that I
Speaker 3: didn't want to sing. That's when that happened. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: I'm like I'm making All I wanted to do is
Speaker 3: buy my mom my house with my grandmama after hood.
Speaker 3: So thank god I turned nineteen and I did those records,
Speaker 3: and then my cousin was like, look, you're gonna do
Speaker 3: a co pubs in deal, but wait till you got
Speaker 3: two number one. So when Peaches of Cream came out,
Speaker 3: that was my second number one. I was nineteen and
Speaker 3: I did a pub I didn't anything. It is the
Speaker 3: first number one anywhere was R and B up on
Speaker 3: the R and B charts, yep, yep, and then Peaches
Speaker 3: on the R and B charts.
Speaker 2: So you walked in.
Speaker 3: I was so crazy because I was with La Read
Speaker 3: yesterday and I'm like, bro, you gave me my first
Speaker 3: publishing deal when I was like nineteen years old. You
Speaker 3: gave my first six figure check.
Speaker 2: You walked in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what year is this, uh ninety.
Speaker 1: Nine with two number one? Yeah at that time, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I can only imagine.
Speaker 5: You know, And they were already popping that ship about
Speaker 5: you though, bro, Like this is the other part, right,
Speaker 5: because who was popping shit? Billy Callaway, Billy Stewarts and
Speaker 5: sure like, because you know it was this is all
Speaker 5: family for me, Like sorry, that's bad, so for like everybody,
Speaker 5: And that's the thing that most of the writers and
Speaker 5: artists don't know. Sometimes the people that are cheerleading for
Speaker 5: you and that I'm pushing. I never knew to the
Speaker 5: rest of the industry, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 5: like you said, you're keeping.
Speaker 3: Your head down, you work, you're working. I never knew.
Speaker 5: But these people who I if they said somebody was gold, Yeah,
Speaker 5: they was gold to make go right. So all of
Speaker 5: these people are already like yo, poop and poop and
Speaker 5: poop by bro your name Wow, it was moving wow.
Speaker 3: And that was dead. That was ninety nine, two thousand. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Now you do to deal with hiccough. I I did
Speaker 3: my first deal with Hiccolls telling Eli read yesterday, I
Speaker 3: was like, man, thank you man for believing in me.
Speaker 3: You know, that was my first deal. And I was
Speaker 3: able then to go and move my mom and grandma
Speaker 3: out of that that two bedroom apartment and move him
Speaker 3: into a house in tenth on the tenth course, tenth
Speaker 3: hold of a golf course. Yeah, and I've never did
Speaker 3: my grandma. I never forget moving her, was putting her
Speaker 3: a little in her bed. I put a boy the
Speaker 3: hospital bed, moved it right in there because I refused
Speaker 3: to put anybody in an old folks home or retirement
Speaker 3: whatever that was called. And I put her right looking
Speaker 3: at the lake on the tenth hole of a golf course.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, I told you, and she
Speaker 3: was just like dying. But she died in that house.
Speaker 3: She got a chance to see my hard work, me
Speaker 3: standing out all night, sleeping on the floor, me telling
Speaker 3: her like, I'm gonna move us out of here. She
Speaker 3: got to see it happen. So for me, that was
Speaker 3: like I never really cared about being famous or none
Speaker 3: of that. I just wouldn't buy my mind as wanted
Speaker 3: to move my mom and my grandma out the hood.
Speaker 3: But that's amazing, bro. So that was my whole thing.
Speaker 3: So once I did that, I was like, okay, so
Speaker 3: now it's my new tribe right now what drives me now?
Speaker 3: And it was just like they just don't. People don't
Speaker 3: think I could do it again. And it turned into
Speaker 3: I just got to prove this to myself that I
Speaker 3: could do it again. Because the average lifespan of a
Speaker 3: writer is two years. Producer writers two years. You get
Speaker 3: it hit, you get hot, everybody cheerleads you, then you
Speaker 3: start celebrating, you get caught up in it. But it's
Speaker 3: somebody else working twice as hard as you, and they
Speaker 3: come out with two hits. Now their sound is popping,
Speaker 3: and you're done forever. So in my mind I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be done forever. And I always
Speaker 3: had this fear of like what happens if my sound go?
Speaker 3: And I didn't even realize that I was creating a sound.
Speaker 3: I wasn't allowed to listen to secular music as a kid,
Speaker 3: So that's why you can't compare my songs to anything
Speaker 3: like you can't what the peaches and cream sound like nothing?
Speaker 3: But it anywhere sound like nothing? What does? What? Where
Speaker 3: are you now that I need you? Sound like nothing?
Speaker 3: So and that happened because I wasn't allowed to listen
Speaker 3: to secular music. So I wasn't I had zero influence.
Speaker 3: I was allowed to listen to trumpet Christian trumpet music
Speaker 3: by a guy named Phil Drisco. He was a trumpeteer
Speaker 3: and so Christian Christian trumpet music that was all I
Speaker 3: was allowed to listen to. That was the thing because
Speaker 3: I ended up playing the trumpet in the market in
Speaker 3: the band from a church kid.
Speaker 4: So you understand you've never heard of Christian trumph.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Phil Drisco. Look him up. He's still out right
Speaker 3: now playing trump He got be like a hundred, but
Speaker 3: he playing the trumpet, Bill Drisco. He made me, And
Speaker 3: of course I ended up playing the trumpet in the
Speaker 3: concert band, playing trumpet in the marching band. So but
Speaker 3: it was because of my influence that was all I
Speaker 3: was allowed to hear. So when I was going to
Speaker 3: the studio to make songs, they sound.
Speaker 4: It didn't sound like nothing else.
Speaker 3: So in my mind, I'm like, this is garbage, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So I was like, spend a
Speaker 3: year I thought I was garbage because I couldn't make
Speaker 3: a song that reminded us. And that's how people still
Speaker 3: to this day. Most people they don't realize that they're
Speaker 3: doing this, but when they listen to a song, they're
Speaker 3: subliminally comparing it to something else and in order for
Speaker 3: them to be like I love That's like why it
Speaker 3: made me feel like that Marvin Garrol made me feel
Speaker 3: so knowing that it made it. It was that much
Speaker 3: of an uphill battle because I had zero influence. It
Speaker 3: helped me in the law room from lawsuits because nobody
Speaker 3: can ever say I stole that melodies because it's all
Speaker 3: my own I created my own melodies. But at the time,
Speaker 3: I was like, I suck, and I was like, I
Speaker 3: just got to keep getting this garbage out of my
Speaker 3: system because eventually something good is gonna come. Nothing good
Speaker 3: really came. One twelfth Duran Jones started to believe in
Speaker 3: me and he was like, nah, bro, you're good. I
Speaker 3: was like, nah, man, it's like this sucks. And then
Speaker 3: that's where we can do it anywhere. Pink Love is
Speaker 3: such a crazy thing on that album when she was Burgundy,
Speaker 3: and it gave me enough hope and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: maybe they just tell me that because they're nice man.
Speaker 3: Like nah, And then we worked on They brought me
Speaker 3: on tour. I didn't graduate from high school. I went
Speaker 3: they used me, Bro. I was singing all God bless
Speaker 3: a child every day for everybody. You know how they
Speaker 3: used you to be the representation for anybody. Then I
Speaker 3: get to the twelfth grade. Mind you, I had already
Speaker 3: made a pe in summer school in the eleventh grade. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so in my mind I got to hit record already.
Speaker 3: I ain't tell anybody that knows nah, but one twelve
Speaker 3: used to pick me up, like each one of them
Speaker 3: used to come and pick me up in school and
Speaker 3: they'd be like, hey, man, I think I seen Slim
Speaker 3: pick you up yesterday. I was like probably. And then
Speaker 3: I had a bad boy jacket. You remember the bad
Speaker 3: boy jacket with the baby. I had one. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So you and school with a.
Speaker 4: Boy they let her by one twelve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I still didn't tell you by because
Speaker 3: I didn't want any of anybody to feel like I
Speaker 3: thought I was all that because I had a song
Speaker 3: on the radio. Yeah. Now, my science teacher, mister Block,
Speaker 3: rest in peace. I guess he used to tell me
Speaker 3: you suck. He used to say this verbatim. He's like,
Speaker 3: mister boyd, I need you to start paying attention in
Speaker 3: my class because you only one percent people make it
Speaker 3: in the music business, and you're not that one percent.
Speaker 3: And he told me that to this. Why you said
Speaker 3: western piece, I guess because that's because as he's saying
Speaker 3: that to me, anywhere was in heavy rotation. Every hour.
Speaker 3: I could have told him to be like yo if
Speaker 3: he turned on B one on three right now, yeah
Speaker 3: here anywhere, because it was every hour. You don't know this,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm not it's not me. It's not
Speaker 3: in my place to say this, but all right, I'd
Speaker 3: already been. I had already became the one percent while
Speaker 3: I was in school. I had I had a record
Speaker 3: on the radio and heavy rotation. I got ask captain
Speaker 3: words when I was in high school. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So he was saying this. And I never
Speaker 3: told anybody because I didn't want anybody to feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Because I had some success at a young age, I
Speaker 3: kept with a secret. Nobody still nobody knew until like
Speaker 3: later on, and people just found out, but I never
Speaker 3: It wasn't a thing. It wasn't like the rumor in school,
Speaker 3: like oh Pooper did that anywhere. So I never told anybody,
Speaker 3: and I just wanted to keep it a secret. And
Speaker 3: I really just wanted to buy my mama house. Like
Speaker 3: I wasn't doing it for any other reason.
Speaker 5: But I would have up in the bad Boy take that,
Speaker 5: Take that yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, bad Boy.
Speaker 2: Bring my Concubine the writer of records.
Speaker 3: Solemn Yeah, but that like that was like, man, I
Speaker 3: definitely nineteen twenty. I wasn't so I was making songs
Speaker 3: that when I was doing them, it was so hard
Speaker 3: to place them. We know as songwriters, Like I used
Speaker 3: to try to write songs for artists, but then I
Speaker 3: would make songs for myself because I always pretended to
Speaker 3: be an artist. So when I would play the songs
Speaker 3: that I wrote for artists, they would be like, nah,
Speaker 3: what else you got it? Then when I play my
Speaker 3: songs like I want all of those, I want I
Speaker 3: want all that. Yeah, I'm like, why don't they want
Speaker 3: the sh I'm writing for them? And really I figured out,
Speaker 3: like artists, they don't want what they already sound like.
Speaker 3: And yeah, here's a here's a fact.
Speaker 2: Here's a fact.
Speaker 3: Guys, as a writer, when you're going in, you know
Speaker 3: you grew up hearing these artists, you don't really want
Speaker 3: to study what they're working on, what they're doing, because
Speaker 3: they did that already. So what I've learned is they
Speaker 3: want what you would do for yourself. They don't want
Speaker 3: what you think they would have done on their last album,
Speaker 3: because that was their last album. So even if that
Speaker 3: was a sound, it's they don't want to go for
Speaker 3: that same sound on the next solum. So the secret
Speaker 3: is make music for yourself. Write songs for yourself that
Speaker 3: you love and hopes that they can resonate with that.
Speaker 3: Don't try to make songs for the artists unless you're
Speaker 3: with them every day and you know they're going through heartbreak,
Speaker 3: you know they're in love, you know their story. You
Speaker 3: can't really you're just getting in a car and driving
Speaker 3: without having actual address to put in the in the ways.
Speaker 3: So the ways, the actual address is the concept, that's
Speaker 3: the idea, you know, ways to take you through the hood.
Speaker 3: They take you to the hood because now they're trying
Speaker 3: to get you to buy stuff. They're advertising pop Eyes.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. They're like, you know you
Speaker 3: can start know you're hungry. Yeah, out the way. It's
Speaker 3: not the greatest in Miami. Might have had you in
Speaker 3: the hood of Miami.
Speaker 5: It took me to some dad Is and I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh man, let me go ahead and.
Speaker 3: Grab this pistol, get about it. Oh yeah, yeah, good ways.
Speaker 3: But now make records for yourself, man, because like you think,
Speaker 3: you're writing songs for what they what you like, what
Speaker 3: you're used to hearing, and they want what's next. They
Speaker 3: don't want what they did already. So I learned that
Speaker 3: with Usher, I learned that with Chris Brown. I learned
Speaker 3: that with Justin Biebers, Like anytime I play songs that
Speaker 3: I think would be for them, they're like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: like quickly, and then I play. I'm like, well, I'm
Speaker 3: just playing something I've been working on and I'm like
Speaker 3: I want I love that, And I'm like, but that's
Speaker 3: too mature for you, and they're like, no, that's where
Speaker 3: we want to go. That's mine. Yeah, my rug, but
Speaker 3: you I had a song on the radio that this
Speaker 3: is how humble I am. I had a song on
Speaker 3: the radio that was heating up called Alone, and I
Speaker 3: never forget. I just met Justin and you know, I
Speaker 3: wrote something called Recovery and and he absolutely he heard Alone.
Speaker 3: He was like, what's that. I was like, that's my song,
Speaker 3: but it's on the radio right now. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't care about that.
Speaker 4: What you mean that is a superstar comment here.
Speaker 3: I was like no, I'm like, it's actually out, it's growing,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. It's building momental Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like, how can I say this to understand my heart? Yeah?
Speaker 3: My heart is this, Yes, get bigger? You know. It
Speaker 3: didn't matter. And then and then I was in my mind,
Speaker 3: I was like what but really, I'm a songwriter, and
Speaker 3: I always just kept bringing myself back to I do
Speaker 3: this so I can help provide a better life for
Speaker 3: my family. And I'm like, man, you know what, you
Speaker 3: can have it. So I gave him the record while
Speaker 3: it was on while my version was on the radio,
Speaker 3: and they went on the internet. They scrubbed it down,
Speaker 3: they put down. The crazy part is you can still
Speaker 3: find my version on YouTube, which is crazy, but they
Speaker 3: literally took it off and then he cut it. And
Speaker 3: that was like me understanding, like, you know what, this
Speaker 3: is not about me, man, It's about me getting my
Speaker 3: songs out there and getting my melodies and being able
Speaker 3: to elevate my family.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: And then if it's meant if I'm supposed to be
Speaker 3: a singer and shy like I willingly, it'll happen. But
Speaker 3: right now I want to I'm here. And I started
Speaker 3: going through the rest of my album and then he
Speaker 3: wanted certain songs. I was like, that's too that's nasty,
Speaker 3: that's perverted. So then I have to think, like, instead
Speaker 3: of saying grip tight, we all know what the grip
Speaker 3: tight is, I was like, hold tight. So then grip
Speaker 3: type became that hold on tight. Now I could be
Speaker 3: a hug knowing what it really is on the double
Speaker 3: ontang grip. So I started going in and he was
Speaker 3: like I want that. I was like, well, maybe I'll
Speaker 3: just started pging all of my braided R songs. And
Speaker 3: that's where journals came from.
Speaker 5: Those are like, yeah, you've given a real lesson and
Speaker 5: a real manuscript to young songwriters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, and have it.
Speaker 5: I for one having an understanding that as a as
Speaker 5: a songwriter, that's what you're doing. You got to be
Speaker 5: of service. Yes, you got to. You gotta take your
Speaker 5: ego out of it.
Speaker 3: Take an ego out of it. What is that artist? So?
Speaker 3: What is said?
Speaker 4: Artists need yep yep to for all of us to
Speaker 4: succeed in this thing. Yes, and for me to take
Speaker 4: care of my family.
Speaker 3: That's what we're doing it for. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: some people want to do it to be famous. I
Speaker 3: never really, I never wrote songs to become famous. It
Speaker 3: was literally to create a better lifestyle. You know, I
Speaker 3: understood throughout the years the importance of having a platform.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, understand jumping on in the video.
Speaker 3: I understood that later on, like why it was important
Speaker 3: for creatives to put themselves out there with the world.
Speaker 3: It became a thing. Yeah, when the producer became the star.
Speaker 2: Before that, you had had your head down long.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't tell I was about was due.
Speaker 3: It was and it was you know, I mean years
Speaker 3: and years and years.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I worked. Yeah, I mean I went, you know, with Draymondow.
Speaker 3: They kidnapped me. They went to Philly, and that's when
Speaker 3: I was working with Ryan Toby a lot with a
Speaker 3: lot of come on, come on, speak on this confessions.
Speaker 3: Speak on these confessions, because you're part of.
Speaker 5: Something that if you buried it and someone found it
Speaker 5: one hundred years later, they would understand what.
Speaker 3: That time was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the type of album that Confessions is that
Speaker 5: you are a part of that you helped create with
Speaker 5: all these amazing writers and producers and the artists himself Usher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one of like for me, it was
Speaker 3: so crazy being a songwriter trying to write songs for
Speaker 3: Usher and then finally getting to work with him. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I was. We were so off, Like when you think
Speaker 3: you're writing something like you don't have no ideas, like
Speaker 3: you don't know what they're going through. Well, you just
Speaker 3: get in the car and start driving, like where are
Speaker 3: we going right now? And so like just learning that,
Speaker 3: Like you know, the very first song that that l
Speaker 3: A read demanded that Usher cut was Superstar and Ryan
Speaker 3: had already composed this. I came in and added whatever
Speaker 3: I added to it, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 3: Ryan had already cut and created the whole, like the
Speaker 3: majority of it, and I just came in and put
Speaker 3: faith on the bridge and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That was amazing. But that was the first song that
Speaker 3: Usher cut on Confessions. Then it was caught Up. Then
Speaker 3: it was come Following Me, but it was follow me too, Yeah,
Speaker 3: come follow Me, and that was for Yeah, that was
Speaker 3: that was for Mario. Come Following Me was for Mario.
Speaker 3: And then Mario passed on it, and so we played
Speaker 3: it for Usher in New York at the studio. He
Speaker 3: was like, he's like, what's that? You came just in time?
Speaker 3: Runnated and other girl tell me. He's like, low that
Speaker 3: up right now, and he cut it immediately. That was
Speaker 3: like the first time I didn't see ushers sit there
Speaker 3: and Twirler's ring and be like, man, I don't know,
Speaker 3: like you never know, Usher it was you always had
Speaker 3: great years around you that known for you. And that
Speaker 3: was the first time he heard a song and was
Speaker 3: like boom, cutting immediately. But you know that the process
Speaker 3: it was, it was frightening because it was a two
Speaker 3: year window. We started with Usher in two thousand and two.
Speaker 3: Confessions didn't come out to four so and we were
Speaker 3: making those records. I know, in my mind when I
Speaker 3: was with Ryan, I was like, caught Up was like,
Speaker 3: this is like he's talking to Chili and in my mind,
Speaker 3: I'm like, he's the new Michael Jackson. So when we
Speaker 3: approached Caught Up, we were like, what would Michael Jackson
Speaker 3: do right now in two thousand and two, And that's
Speaker 3: how that's absolutely yeah. So and then he went on
Speaker 3: and did a video to match that, you know, like
Speaker 3: the Smooth Criminal that ale. He spent God, he spent
Speaker 3: like a million two on that video. I never forget that.
Speaker 3: But it was just interesting because in my heart, I
Speaker 3: knew we weren't going to make that album because I'm like,
Speaker 3: the songs are all to you, and because and he
Speaker 3: wasn't with they weren't together no more. So I'm like
Speaker 3: we made these songs based on him being with Chili.
Speaker 3: She was the superstar, he was the groupie. He was
Speaker 3: caught up with her. You're not like the other girls
Speaker 3: I meet every day. These were songs were about Chili
Speaker 3: from TFC, So I'm like, he's not even gonna resonate
Speaker 3: with this, So you know, thank god, La was locked
Speaker 3: in his mom shout out to Usher and mister n Nettterman.
Speaker 3: She was locked in to caught up. So we had
Speaker 3: some emotional connections to those records. And then two years
Speaker 3: later the album comes out and the songs made the project,
Speaker 3: and I was like, unbelievable because he was confessing now.
Speaker 3: So I'm like it went from like being caught up
Speaker 3: to I fucked up. It was a full story. It
Speaker 3: was a full story. And it's crazy enough. The concept
Speaker 3: of the album didn't come until like almost the end.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so it wasn't like we're like, oh, we
Speaker 3: all know we need to be confessing some shit. We
Speaker 3: didn't have a clue. And then that project, it was
Speaker 3: like for me, it uh that I'm doing one man
Speaker 3: that like one point one the first week and from
Speaker 3: there it was like god Lee. Then I was sure
Speaker 3: didn't think we were gonna have a single because they
Speaker 3: put my boot on the on the on the what
Speaker 3: do you call it? When the deluxe and then that
Speaker 3: went to radio. I'm like, well, there goes our fourth single,
Speaker 3: slide right there. Yeah, with Alicia. Then we did like
Speaker 3: like somebody did a power move. I don't know if
Speaker 3: Ryan told this, but drama down. Put p D crack,
Speaker 3: you gum really put p D crack and then a
Speaker 3: yes and did a remax of caught up and released
Speaker 3: it and sent it to funk Flex and funk Flex
Speaker 3: started dropping bombs on it, so we forced them to
Speaker 3: so then it started the report started coming in on
Speaker 3: the RAATEDEO and Mark Pitts was like caught up and
Speaker 3: spinning on the radio, and then it forced them to
Speaker 3: make it the fifth single, in his fifth and final single,
Speaker 3: and then they on the video question.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because you you you you got the one
Speaker 1: twelve records, you got, you got your two number one,
Speaker 1: you got your Buve deal, You're writing, you're doing some
Speaker 1: great things, and then you get on an album that
Speaker 1: sells one point one in the first first week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how you?
Speaker 2: I'm sure you are already assault after writer, but is
Speaker 2: there an elevation that is out of this world? When
Speaker 2: you sell one point one the first week, because I
Speaker 2: know there's I've experienced. Yeah, not close to one. Win't
Speaker 2: want more like six and fifty.
Speaker 3: And it was a leap and you and you had.
Speaker 1: A got a Lamborghini. That's what happened. I said, I
Speaker 1: need a Lamba along with all these other.
Speaker 4: When I had my turn, I didn't buy it him
Speaker 4: by Lambo.
Speaker 2: It was so sad for you.
Speaker 3: I got a kid. Yeah, you gotta get those lamb
Speaker 3: You gotta get Lambo.
Speaker 2: I don't know it correct.
Speaker 4: I should have bought a Lamborghini.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, So did I didn't. I was. I bought
Speaker 3: like a seventh series BMW. But I was like, what
Speaker 3: were the calls?
Speaker 2: Like, like what were there were?
Speaker 3: It was? It was interesting because true enough, man, even then,
Speaker 3: like when you came out and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I need you to not I need you to put
Speaker 3: that humble ship right. I was so used to being
Speaker 3: like hidden and tucked away that it didn't really affect
Speaker 3: I didn't feel the effect of it because at that
Speaker 3: time Usher gravitated to Ryan, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: So it more affected Ryan you know what I mean
Speaker 3: than me because I was like the fat guy that
Speaker 3: was I was doing a lot, and I was doing it,
Speaker 3: but I was always in the back of the room
Speaker 3: because I was like trying not to be seen and
Speaker 3: like and I were like still doing vocal producing, still writing,
Speaker 3: but then it was like all right, once I was done,
Speaker 3: I vanished, you know what I mean. So I didn't
Speaker 3: really feel the effect of it like I should have.
Speaker 3: If I would have been more you were avoiding life.
Speaker 3: I wasn't because I just felt like I was super
Speaker 3: I was insecure, I was obese, and I just felt
Speaker 3: like I didn't want anybody to feel like I was
Speaker 3: trying to I was seeking attention because I wasn't. I
Speaker 3: just wanted to continue to buy. I wanted to buy
Speaker 3: my mom another house. At that time, I was on
Speaker 3: my second, second, second house. So so it didn't really
Speaker 3: affect me as much as I if I would have been, like,
Speaker 3: let me put myself out there so people know that,
Speaker 3: I was, like, you didn't even know I did. Come
Speaker 3: found with me to this day, was twenty years later,
Speaker 3: So I didn't. I just wasn't putting myself out there
Speaker 3: enough to ride that the way that other people were doing.
Speaker 5: Like you I have, bro I know, You're never still
Speaker 5: I know, I know thiggas with records like you have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you better than me.
Speaker 3: People. Now, I could have easily been on every record
Speaker 3: life Happy Birthday.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tank and Tankeding loaded up the piano.
Speaker 3: I know, Man, that's what I'm saying. We might have
Speaker 3: to have so many Man, I might have to be
Speaker 3: a part two.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, you are always invited to come hang.
Speaker 3: Out with us, bro Man, thank you for having me. Man,
Speaker 3: we believe in you. It starts with the belief. That's
Speaker 3: one of my texts. I got all my quotes, all
Speaker 3: my sayings tatted on me. Man, Happy birthday, right there.
Speaker 3: What's the next one you said? You get nobody cares.
Speaker 3: Nobody cares. That's how you get through life without getting
Speaker 3: your feelings her, nobody cares. Go so perfect with those chords.
Speaker 2: Brother Poop comes to a special part of our pod where.
Speaker 1: We get into the mind of Pool. Yes, the people
Speaker 1: want to know what they want to know. You've written
Speaker 1: a lot of jams, all the jams. You've written all
Speaker 1: the jams, man, But the most important jams.
Speaker 3: Would be your mm hmm top FA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your top five.
Speaker 3: Jop F, your.
Speaker 1: Top fasing guys, these songs.
Speaker 3: Were not.
Speaker 2: Baseball.
Speaker 7: You go, yes, everybody, top five, you.
Speaker 3: Top five? Come on right, come on, come on now, right,
Speaker 3: come on with the diminishings. So do these top five
Speaker 3: need to be They don't need to be my top
Speaker 3: my songs, none, your top five, my top r and
Speaker 3: bast singers right now.
Speaker 2: Singer yours?
Speaker 3: Man? Do we start from the yours?
Speaker 2: From where you want to start?
Speaker 3: Five to one?
Speaker 2: Whatever, don't matter.
Speaker 1: No order, no order, no orders, how you feel, how
Speaker 1: you feel the five people.
Speaker 3: Donny Hathaway, come now, mind you. I wasn't allowed to
Speaker 3: listen to this, so I went back later on and Discovery.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, sing this song for you?
Speaker 3: You knew was trumpet music. Phil. Yeah, so we got
Speaker 3: Nanny half the way. Oh my god, I'll say that
Speaker 3: one because that's that was the one that inspired me
Speaker 3: to even want to be in a music You got, Donny,
Speaker 3: you got, I'm I'm gonna say it man, Mario man, yeah, ye,
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody, no, everybody, Okay, okay, we've
Speaker 3: seen it in that that that that versus yeah, we
Speaker 3: don't play about Mario, Okay, okay about Mario. That sure
Speaker 3: was amazing.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 3: Yes? Why not? Is it? Donny Marios? That's three?
Speaker 2: Yeah, m hm.
Speaker 3: Hm oh R and B though, No, I was thinking
Speaker 3: about Christians? Who you want throwing there?
Speaker 4: Kim Burrell, I'm sorry because she has been such an.
Speaker 2: Is icon. Yeah she is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a whole. She got a little mini,
Speaker 3: little Mini's little mini Minnie Barell, generations of Minnie Burrell, Yes,
Speaker 3: multiple generations. That's four. Stevie Wonder, Stevie Wonder. Come on, yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: that's my five.
Speaker 2: Man Okay, top five R and B songs.
Speaker 3: So crazy because I don't listen to music, Okay, R
Speaker 3: and B songs, I really I may you know what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw. I'm gonna throw something in there right
Speaker 3: now that I hear in my mind a song called
Speaker 3: Maybe I Deserve. Yeah, it's just so fresh on my mind.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I just remember.
Speaker 4: Having that you talk about a destination.
Speaker 3: I just remember that song sticking out so long and
Speaker 3: like it's such a staple, like it's a part where
Speaker 3: it's like that was to me. It was new. It
Speaker 3: was a new style of writing too, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So that's my that's my first one I.
Speaker 4: Call that that I lost my bitch anthem.
Speaker 3: Man's looked at it like that. Maybe I deserve Yeah
Speaker 3: at that time like that, Yeah you want say about it? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I come it back. I deserve we got Oh oh Cender,
Speaker 3: my loves Stevie Wonder, Yes, yeah, unbelievable and very place
Speaker 3: alien yeah, super player. Oh I'm gonna have to man,
Speaker 3: I hate to say this, but all that matters, man,
Speaker 3: I just I mean, I didn't want to say because
Speaker 3: I wrote it, but all that matters from journals for Beaver,
Speaker 3: just because because you know that inside that humble thing,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know I'm fighting it. It's
Speaker 3: a battle, humble flast, humble battle. Nah, It's okay. So
Speaker 3: maybe I deserve Cender. All that matters. All that matters, man,
Speaker 3: R and B. Come on, man, Oh, I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to go back to oh tripping mm hmmm mm hmm
Speaker 3: faith Evans as soon as I get home. Come on,
Speaker 3: I'm dig I'm going like I'm diving in because like
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, No, I don't really listen
Speaker 3: to music, so I'm leaving diving in what I had
Speaker 3: that Oh man, No, that just made me think of
Speaker 3: Carl Thomas. I wish I never met her?
Speaker 4: Man, don't.
Speaker 3: Man? Yeah, Like both are the ones where it was like,
Speaker 3: can you know what it was? It's so hard for
Speaker 3: arm beating to live in the club. So when you
Speaker 3: have an R and B song that can live in club,
Speaker 3: it's a big deal to be soft and hard. It's
Speaker 3: a big deal. Tomorrow, all right, I wish it never
Speaker 3: met her. That's four.
Speaker 2: It's five?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, one more? One more? One more?
Speaker 4: You want you got one more?
Speaker 3: That was five?
Speaker 4: You know my great account Sure, I'm really good accounting.
Speaker 5: Maybe I deserve all that matters as soon as I
Speaker 5: get home.
Speaker 3: I wish, I wish that's it.
Speaker 2: I ain't saying no next. I ain't saying no names,
Speaker 2: saying no names.
Speaker 3: I ain't saying no name was yeah what you need?
Speaker 2: Don't see man, I ain't saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah we at that part of the show. That
Speaker 4: part is this a story?
Speaker 3: Will you tell us a story?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: I got so many funny and fucked up? Are funny
Speaker 3: and fucked up? Yeah? And don't got no names? The
Speaker 3: game amazing, let's sold a story? No names? Man. At
Speaker 3: my fastest I was in Philadelphia working with an artists
Speaker 3: and this artist was like I love you, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I love you too, but it was more
Speaker 3: like I love you too, as like your music and
Speaker 3: what you've done and contributed to our society. But I
Speaker 3: response like, yeah, I love you too, such and such,
Speaker 3: such and such and such and such, and then I
Speaker 3: was like and then there was like I'm gonna cook
Speaker 3: for you. I was like, all right, and then so
Speaker 3: we did. We did a record two days later, come
Speaker 3: back and she brought food. She brought food, and she
Speaker 3: brought hot sauce. It was her own hot sauce.
Speaker 4: Okay, she had made the hot sauce or had.
Speaker 3: Her picture on it. Yeah. And then she made apple pie.
Speaker 3: I'm not even in an apple pie, but she was like,
Speaker 3: I peel these apples for you. And she was like,
Speaker 3: I suppose in these leather pants for you. And I
Speaker 3: was like I was starting to feel like wait, man,
Speaker 3: Like I thought, you know what I'm saying, this was
Speaker 3: a musical, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And then
Speaker 3: I walked by She's drinking red wine. She was like,
Speaker 3: you want some wine? I was like, nah, that makes
Speaker 3: me sleepy, you know what I'm saying. We hear the
Speaker 3: work like we hadn't even started the sessions feeding me
Speaker 3: and macaroni and cheese with seven cheese. I didn't even
Speaker 3: know there was a macaroni cheese with seven cheeses at
Speaker 3: that time. Even I couldn't name seven cheeses. And I'm
Speaker 3: walking by. I feel something, mind you, I never had
Speaker 3: an ass. So I walked by and she grabbed whatever
Speaker 3: I thought was my ass, and I'm like, I had
Speaker 3: never had anybody actually grab my ass? Was my mom
Speaker 3: might not even have an ass to grab. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what she's grabbing right now? Grab my ass? And I
Speaker 3: was like that was uncomfortable. That was awkward. I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, try to play that off like that didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Get upstairs in the room and studio, and it is hot,
Speaker 3: okay because the heat rises to the top, so it's hot.
Speaker 3: It's shit. So I'm working me the artist, the engineer,
Speaker 3: and the engineer was like, hey, man, can I take
Speaker 3: a quick break to go to the bathroom. I'm like cool.
Speaker 3: As soon as he before he could leave the room,
Speaker 3: she was like, whoa, it's shure is hot in here.
Speaker 3: Don't you want to come out of that shirt? And
Speaker 3: I mind you. I'm four thirty, Bro, I got titties.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. This wasn't I. I was
Speaker 3: not proud of my titties. I used to so I
Speaker 3: used to wear two shirts to try to hide my titties.
Speaker 3: So I was like, it is hot, So I pulled
Speaker 3: off a shirt, but I had on another shirt. A
Speaker 3: why lie? How about that? You know what I'm saying
Speaker 3: about them titties for cars? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So then she kicks up, she comes and stands over me,
Speaker 3: and she unzips her pants that she squolls in for me,
Speaker 3: and I just see like these fits like net like
Speaker 3: see you through panties. And I'm like, my heart's beating.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm like, I don't know what's going on. I
Speaker 3: kind of have an idea what's happening, but it felt
Speaker 3: like I was dreaming. It felt like it was surreal.
Speaker 3: You know what's happening. It's not even a good part
Speaker 3: of the store. So then as she's standing in front
Speaker 3: of me with her pants on zipper, the engineer walks
Speaker 3: in and then he walked right back out. He did
Speaker 3: went on. He was like, oh my bad. He did
Speaker 3: the one step and pivot back out. And I was
Speaker 3: like no. I was like, hey, no, we're ready. I
Speaker 3: was like, no, we're ready.
Speaker 5: He thought he was saving you, and I was like, no,
Speaker 5: we're ready to record.
Speaker 3: Come back in cut the record. Then I get another
Speaker 3: two days ago by I get a call from this
Speaker 3: assistant like, yeah, such and such want to invite you
Speaker 3: to her birthday party? Is private. She was like, but don't.
Speaker 3: She's like, don't tell anybody. She don't want no paparazzi
Speaker 3: there she wants. She's going to invite the people that
Speaker 3: she wants. I'm like, amazing, so dramoned down, I was like,
Speaker 3: hey man, y'all gonna be at the party, right. They're like,
Speaker 3: what party? She's just I can't even say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: definitely not dreaming that.
Speaker 6: She just told you know, oh yeah yeah no no,
Speaker 6: but you already I met this person them, so.
Speaker 3: It wasn't It was the assistant that told me. And
Speaker 3: in my mind, why wouldn't they know, because they're the
Speaker 3: whole reason why I even know this person. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell that. I won't tell nobody else, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell the people that introduced me. And they're like, nah, well,
Speaker 3: we don't know about no party. I was like, don't worry,
Speaker 3: they're gonna call you, but I can't tell nobody, Like
Speaker 3: you're gonna get the call, but you can't tell nobody.
Speaker 3: All right, they're gonna call y'all, so you know, and
Speaker 3: then so the days go by, days go by, and
Speaker 3: then finally you know they this person they she flew
Speaker 3: me in. Oh, you gotta flew it out. She flew yeah,
Speaker 3: like a girl.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, I'm getting flowed out, blowed out.
Speaker 3: It's a whole new way to say that.
Speaker 2: Ship.
Speaker 3: So I gotta go down. And they had like the
Speaker 3: car I landed, and had me go straight to the
Speaker 3: to the party where I thought was. I thought it
Speaker 3: was a party. Get to the party, open the door.
Speaker 3: It's a hundred candles burning and music like slow music playing,
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, where's the people? Where's the party?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, it's real private, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it was super private, private privy. I'm like,
Speaker 3: and my mom, I'm like, all right, maybe it's a
Speaker 3: surprise party. So people are gonna jump out. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: where are the people, Like, where are we jumping out
Speaker 3: from where are the others? Where are the others? Where
Speaker 3: are the others? And then then she comes out. Bro,
Speaker 3: she came out, and uh she came out. Bro, you
Speaker 3: know me cried my left eye. Wait a minute, bro. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So now I'm at the surprise, the non the surpriseless party.
Speaker 3: But just me, I'm sweating because I'm like that it's
Speaker 3: I'm getting hot. Sit there, here she comes and a
Speaker 3: fucking see through rope, a sheer nightgown, naked sheer with
Speaker 3: like fur fur naked birthday ankles, so everything covered up
Speaker 3: was ship that we don't care this like ankles was covered,
Speaker 3: her neck was covered. I'm like, naked, come sit on
Speaker 3: my lap, rubbing my rubbing my pony tail, of course
Speaker 3: the back, you know what I'm saying. And she's like, hey,
Speaker 3: thank you for coming, Like, happy birthday, this is a
Speaker 3: happy birthday. Came No, I just said happy birthday. Way
Speaker 3: before that. I start happy birthday. I was like sixteen,
Speaker 3: but man, and so I'm like she's like, thank you
Speaker 3: for coming. I'm like, yeah, happy birthday. Where is everybody?
Speaker 3: She's like no, it's just us. And I'm like I'm
Speaker 3: so scared.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: She's sitting on my lap.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mind you.
Speaker 3: She had already asked me to call my mom before
Speaker 3: she told my mom she loved me. I was like,
Speaker 3: it's weird, mom. I can't say that that might give
Speaker 3: it away, but it was, you know, it was a
Speaker 3: similarity in the in the age my mom. So it
Speaker 3: was weird. So I tell you know, I'm like, I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: like I gotta get out of this in my mind.
Speaker 3: So she's like, you want something drink? You want to
Speaker 3: Hennessy And I'm like, I don't for me Henny Bro
Speaker 3: yeah on some hoods ships, super hood she wanted to get. Yeah.
Speaker 3: She was like I need to get him discombobulated, like
Speaker 3: he needs to not be in his right mind to
Speaker 3: get to this. So I'm like, man, I'm okay right now.
Speaker 3: And she was like, she's like, wait, I got you something.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what'd you get me? Bruh. She
Speaker 3: came out with a jackiet Bro. She got me at
Speaker 3: your chill like one from like a real store, the
Speaker 3: one to do like sixty bands. She got chill up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so I was like, oh no, I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't you know what I'm saying. I'm like, what
Speaker 3: is this? She was like, this is something for you,
Speaker 3: a gift. I'm like your birthday. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm like no. She put it on my sho was like,
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, with all due respect, man I got
Speaker 3: I went to the ship. I'm like, man, with all
Speaker 3: due respect, I can't take this. It's just like, yeah
Speaker 3: you can. She's like, I got it for you and
Speaker 3: I'm not. She's like, I'm not keeping it here. She
Speaker 3: was like, it's yours and I'm like I was like,
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, what do you mind? I
Speaker 3: heard it with how girls hit dudes. I was like,
Speaker 3: do you mind if I go back to the hotels
Speaker 3: like a freshen up? You know how the girl had
Speaker 3: to do? But I need to do to go fresh.
Speaker 3: So I was like, do you mind if I go
Speaker 3: back to the Soffie tails like a freshen up? And
Speaker 3: she was like, yeah, as long as you come back.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I'll be back. She was like,
Speaker 3: put the jacket on his cold outside. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: call you now. I was like, I'm coming back. She
Speaker 3: was like I'm gonna have the driver stay, like he's
Speaker 3: gonna he's gonna bring you and stay and waiting. I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, bruh, I was sweating bullets. Bro, I've
Speaker 3: never been That was the first time I've ever been
Speaker 3: in that scenario on my whole life. Bro, I'm not
Speaker 3: used to women like I wasn't coming on to me.
Speaker 3: I was really obese. So I didn't get it. I
Speaker 3: was confused and I was engaged. I was engaged, and
Speaker 3: that okay, okay, so sound like I'm gay. I'm engaged.
Speaker 3: What's happening. So now I go to the hotel and
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn it. I spelt embarrassed. I was like,
Speaker 3: should I call the people that introduced me, like, because
Speaker 3: they clear didn't even getn't get invited, So it was
Speaker 3: like I was the only invite invited. It was the
Speaker 3: only attendee, and it yeah, And I didn't go back.
Speaker 3: I didn't go back. I actually stayed the night at
Speaker 3: the hotel and caught my flight because I had a
Speaker 3: flight the next day to go back to Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 3: I never went back. Man. And then it was so
Speaker 3: crazy because this was in two thousand and one, two
Speaker 3: thousand and two, and this was before the whole me
Speaker 3: Too movement, right, So I had cut records on this artist,
Speaker 3: and because I didn't sleep with her, she pulled all
Speaker 3: my songs off the album. I was the first me
Speaker 3: Too as a guy, and I thought about it years
Speaker 3: and years later. I thought about a year you got
Speaker 3: oh you got me Too too by a woman hopefully right. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: how damn you?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, I know, hey man, but it was something
Speaker 3: I remember, like when the me Too shit happened. I
Speaker 3: called my homie who introduced I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna come out with my story. He
Speaker 3: was like no. I was like, yeah, man, they took
Speaker 3: she took our songs off the album because I wouldn't
Speaker 3: sleep with her. And he was like, yeah, well just
Speaker 3: so just let it go.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, bro, look at this. The dude cruisers come,
Speaker 3: all these people coming out, and I'm like, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be the real first guy that had this happen from
Speaker 3: a woman woman. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm coming out.
Speaker 3: He was like, nah, don't, man. He taught me off
Speaker 3: the ledge. You know what I'm saying. But that was
Speaker 3: my I hope I didn't give away too many hints,
Speaker 3: but that was my nameless story. I never saw her again.
Speaker 3: My friends ran into her years later and the first
Speaker 3: question that she didn't say, Hey, how y'all doing. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's good to see y'all, she said. The first thing
Speaker 3: he said, she said was where's your friend with the ponytail?
Speaker 2: The pool bear guy?
Speaker 3: That was the first day. This was three four years later.
Speaker 3: He's still looking for you. Yeah, man, So that's my story. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm so glad I finally got to get that on
Speaker 3: my chest and tell that without actually saying any names. Yeah,
Speaker 3: amazing story. Thank you man, that really happened.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's a surprise. Took me out here right.
Speaker 3: Okay, we got a surprise with all us with a
Speaker 3: macaroni and she it's eight Jesus. Now.
Speaker 5: I can't wait see the comments I can and see
Speaker 5: who they think it is. Try to oh man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, nameless.
Speaker 3: I was waiting on this opportunity. I wasn't gonna be
Speaker 3: the one to reach. I was just like, man, I
Speaker 3: would love to do that.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: So thanks for having me and being so genuine and
Speaker 3: never changing. Y'all are still the same motherfuckers. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I know. It's just I see a lot of people change,
Speaker 3: so it's thanks for being this being being the same
Speaker 3: man and giving creating this platform for R and B. Man,
Speaker 3: We've never really had this spot like ever outside of
Speaker 3: what Soul trained. What was it done? Yeah, video soul
Speaker 3: video soul right, but that's like twenty So thank you
Speaker 3: for creating this platform and I appreciate you and you
Speaker 3: both you both kings and your amazingly challenged as well.
Speaker 3: Thank you man.
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