1 00:00:14,996 --> 00:00:37,276 Speaker 1: Pushkin Memorial Day weekend, twenty nineteen. It's a month after 2 00:00:37,356 --> 00:00:40,676 Speaker 1: my meeting with Erica. Tristan Bodett has been dead for 3 00:00:40,756 --> 00:00:43,876 Speaker 1: nearly a year. Anthony Route has been in jail for 4 00:00:43,916 --> 00:00:47,516 Speaker 1: seven months, and this is the weekend that State Parks 5 00:00:47,516 --> 00:00:53,076 Speaker 1: thinks it's safe to open the camp round again. From 6 00:00:53,076 --> 00:00:56,156 Speaker 1: the time of Bodette's murder until Route has arrest, the 7 00:00:56,196 --> 00:01:01,356 Speaker 1: authorities offered almost nothing to the public, no warnings, little information, 8 00:01:02,436 --> 00:01:04,596 Speaker 1: so people in Malibu were left to figure things out 9 00:01:04,596 --> 00:01:08,516 Speaker 1: for themselves. There were a lot of creepy similarities among 10 00:01:08,556 --> 00:01:12,396 Speaker 1: the near miss and the murder, but publicly the cops 11 00:01:12,476 --> 00:01:16,796 Speaker 1: kept repeating the same old story, not related, at least 12 00:01:16,796 --> 00:01:21,596 Speaker 1: nothing they would share. But then after Rout's arrest, that changed. 13 00:01:22,156 --> 00:01:25,756 Speaker 1: The crimes were all related, and not just that one 14 00:01:25,836 --> 00:01:33,116 Speaker 1: person had done them all. Was that even possible? I 15 00:01:33,196 --> 00:01:35,956 Speaker 1: need to walk around the campground see it for myself. 16 00:01:36,676 --> 00:01:40,516 Speaker 1: So tonight on the grand reopening weekend, I'll be camping out. 17 00:01:46,156 --> 00:01:48,876 Speaker 1: Turning off the Canyon Road, there's a long entrance road 18 00:01:48,956 --> 00:01:51,916 Speaker 1: leading to a little guard check. The park employees take 19 00:01:51,956 --> 00:01:55,996 Speaker 1: your money and give you your parking pass. The two 20 00:01:56,036 --> 00:02:04,036 Speaker 1: people working seem skittish. Are they nervous about something? A 21 00:02:04,196 --> 00:02:08,356 Speaker 1: park by Site forty nine, that's where Scott McCurdy, Tristan's 22 00:02:08,396 --> 00:02:11,836 Speaker 1: brother in law, camped. That's where I'm staying tonight. It's 23 00:02:11,956 --> 00:02:14,916 Speaker 1: right next to Site fifty one, where Tristan Bodatt was murdered. 24 00:02:18,476 --> 00:02:22,036 Speaker 1: I'm trying not to get creeped out. The campground is 25 00:02:22,036 --> 00:02:29,156 Speaker 1: basically deserted, empty campsite after empty campsite. It's a little eerie. 26 00:02:38,236 --> 00:02:41,596 Speaker 1: There is a young couple here. They're celebrating their second 27 00:02:41,596 --> 00:02:45,316 Speaker 1: wedding anniversary. We were just driving up to go camping, 28 00:02:45,356 --> 00:02:47,836 Speaker 1: and we were planning to actually go to Los Padres 29 00:02:47,916 --> 00:02:51,876 Speaker 1: National Forest, but we're nubs at the camping game and 30 00:02:51,996 --> 00:02:54,356 Speaker 1: did not reserve like six months in advance like everyone 31 00:02:54,356 --> 00:02:56,556 Speaker 1: else did. So we call they decided to try Malibu 32 00:02:56,636 --> 00:02:59,636 Speaker 1: Creek State Park. So we just popped on in and 33 00:02:59,996 --> 00:03:01,956 Speaker 1: there's like a line of you know, cars coming in. 34 00:03:02,036 --> 00:03:04,836 Speaker 1: But we said, like or like for sure it's packed, 35 00:03:04,836 --> 00:03:06,996 Speaker 1: you know, And so he pulled up and they're like, nope, 36 00:03:07,036 --> 00:03:09,436 Speaker 1: there's there's still some spots available. And then we come 37 00:03:09,476 --> 00:03:13,476 Speaker 1: and there's like no one here. So then it's just 38 00:03:13,516 --> 00:03:16,756 Speaker 1: another like the one other camper here at like eleven 39 00:03:16,796 --> 00:03:19,356 Speaker 1: am this morning. It was just like like, oh, you know, 40 00:03:19,476 --> 00:03:21,476 Speaker 1: because we're asking if they knew of any hikes, and 41 00:03:21,596 --> 00:03:23,036 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, they check this heck out, this 42 00:03:23,076 --> 00:03:25,556 Speaker 1: heck out, but don't be scared about the murder. And 43 00:03:25,796 --> 00:03:30,116 Speaker 1: we were just like, what are you talking about, Bromly, 44 00:03:30,796 --> 00:03:33,236 Speaker 1: are you the murder? Like I gos like, oh my 45 00:03:33,316 --> 00:03:44,556 Speaker 1: gotch so, but yeah, maybe we'll lea tonight. Walking around, 46 00:03:44,676 --> 00:03:47,116 Speaker 1: I noticed one of those interpretive signs you often see 47 00:03:47,156 --> 00:03:52,196 Speaker 1: in state parks, Animals of the night. It says while 48 00:03:52,276 --> 00:03:56,756 Speaker 1: campers sleep, the park belongs to the animals. Can you 49 00:03:56,796 --> 00:04:00,276 Speaker 1: hear the howl of a coyote, the scratch scratch off mice, 50 00:04:00,596 --> 00:04:03,836 Speaker 1: or the hoot of an owl? As you walk through 51 00:04:03,876 --> 00:04:07,076 Speaker 1: the park, your flashlights suddenly reflects the glowing eyes of 52 00:04:07,116 --> 00:04:16,276 Speaker 1: an animal. The sign talks about bobcats, coyotes, raccoons, but 53 00:04:16,396 --> 00:04:20,156 Speaker 1: doesn't say anything about mountain lions. Maybe they didn't want 54 00:04:20,196 --> 00:04:26,436 Speaker 1: to start a panic. It starts getting dark, so I 55 00:04:26,476 --> 00:04:29,516 Speaker 1: head back to Site forty nine. I pitch my tent 56 00:04:29,596 --> 00:04:32,276 Speaker 1: in the meadow beside the fire pit. I light a 57 00:04:32,316 --> 00:04:34,276 Speaker 1: fire and sit next to it while I eat my 58 00:04:34,276 --> 00:04:38,436 Speaker 1: dinner take out from the grocery store. There's no one 59 00:04:38,476 --> 00:04:42,876 Speaker 1: in triest in site Site fifty one. That's strange. When 60 00:04:42,876 --> 00:04:45,236 Speaker 1: I drove in the park, workers told me it was 61 00:04:45,396 --> 00:04:54,316 Speaker 1: already reserved. I zip into my tent. I text home, 62 00:04:54,556 --> 00:05:03,756 Speaker 1: I'm fine, but this feels weird. I have a sleepless night. 63 00:05:05,196 --> 00:05:13,636 Speaker 1: Every noise feels too close, rainfalls, I'm sure I feel 64 00:05:13,716 --> 00:05:17,116 Speaker 1: something brush up against my tent, the thin wall of 65 00:05:17,196 --> 00:05:26,636 Speaker 1: my tent. I'm sure I hear footsteps approach and then recede. 66 00:05:32,516 --> 00:05:36,236 Speaker 1: I'm so relieved. When the sky lightens to gray, I 67 00:05:36,396 --> 00:05:42,676 Speaker 1: opened up my tent. It's before dawn, lightly drizzling. I 68 00:05:42,796 --> 00:05:45,716 Speaker 1: noticed that the anniversary couple didn't make it through the night, 69 00:05:47,276 --> 00:05:50,116 Speaker 1: and no one ever showed up to claim Sight fifty one. 70 00:05:57,396 --> 00:06:29,236 Speaker 1: I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost Hills, Episode four, 71 00:06:30,116 --> 00:06:40,236 Speaker 1: Animals of the Night. In the morning, I decide to 72 00:06:40,276 --> 00:06:43,396 Speaker 1: explore a little more. The campground is the site of 73 00:06:43,396 --> 00:06:46,996 Speaker 1: the murder and two of the near misses. Also the 74 00:06:47,036 --> 00:06:52,636 Speaker 1: place people are the most vulnerable, gathered sleeping guards down. 75 00:06:53,996 --> 00:06:58,436 Speaker 1: I mean, part of being here is trying to understand 76 00:06:58,476 --> 00:07:01,596 Speaker 1: this place that Rooda lived and this place that Tristan 77 00:07:01,596 --> 00:07:05,956 Speaker 1: and Burdett died. Tristan's tent might have been there just 78 00:07:06,036 --> 00:07:08,916 Speaker 1: beyond the picnic table, or he might have been right 79 00:07:08,956 --> 00:07:18,196 Speaker 1: here where I am. But I wondered if his I 80 00:07:18,276 --> 00:07:22,996 Speaker 1: wondered where his door was. I guess I study the 81 00:07:22,996 --> 00:07:26,876 Speaker 1: map Site forty nine where I am, Site fifty one 82 00:07:26,876 --> 00:07:30,276 Speaker 1: where Tristan was. Then the road curves around the meadow 83 00:07:31,116 --> 00:07:36,756 Speaker 1: fifty four fifty five, fifty eight fifty eight. That's where 84 00:07:36,796 --> 00:07:42,036 Speaker 1: near Miss number two happened. It was November ninth, twenty sixteen, 85 00:07:42,516 --> 00:07:46,036 Speaker 1: three thirty am. A man named Ron Carson was lying 86 00:07:46,036 --> 00:07:48,796 Speaker 1: in bed when he says his camper was rocked by 87 00:07:48,796 --> 00:07:53,076 Speaker 1: an explosion. He later testified that it quote felt like 88 00:07:53,116 --> 00:07:56,276 Speaker 1: a bomb went off. He wasn't hit, but when he 89 00:07:56,316 --> 00:07:59,116 Speaker 1: turned on the light he saw shotgun pellets stuck into 90 00:07:59,156 --> 00:08:01,796 Speaker 1: the wall right next to where his head had been. 91 00:08:04,156 --> 00:08:06,436 Speaker 1: Just across the road from Site fifty eight is site 92 00:08:06,476 --> 00:08:11,076 Speaker 1: fifty seven, the location of another attack, Near Miss number three. 93 00:08:11,316 --> 00:08:15,996 Speaker 1: On January seventh, twenty seventeen, a woman and her boyfriend 94 00:08:15,996 --> 00:08:17,916 Speaker 1: were sleeping in the back of her car when they 95 00:08:17,956 --> 00:08:22,796 Speaker 1: were awakened by a bang between four and five am. 96 00:08:22,836 --> 00:08:24,916 Speaker 1: The next day, she found a hole in her trunk. 97 00:08:25,476 --> 00:08:35,036 Speaker 1: State Parks police recovered a metal shotgun slug. This is insane. 98 00:08:35,676 --> 00:08:39,356 Speaker 1: These three crime scenes, the camper, the car, and Bodette's 99 00:08:39,396 --> 00:08:42,996 Speaker 1: tent are just a couple hundred feet apart. These shootings 100 00:08:43,036 --> 00:08:46,076 Speaker 1: happened in a tight cluster in the same corner of 101 00:08:46,076 --> 00:08:51,076 Speaker 1: the campground, where a footpath disappears into the woods. I 102 00:08:51,236 --> 00:08:55,396 Speaker 1: follow it. It's overgrown with wild mustard and little purple flowers. 103 00:08:56,556 --> 00:08:59,236 Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious about this way because this seems like, 104 00:08:59,436 --> 00:09:01,676 Speaker 1: I mean, no one is out and about at four am, 105 00:09:01,796 --> 00:09:06,556 Speaker 1: so anywhere would be a place you could go wouldn't 106 00:09:06,556 --> 00:09:13,756 Speaker 1: be observed. The path heads north toward the mountains. I 107 00:09:13,876 --> 00:09:17,116 Speaker 1: know that somewhere out there, two or three miles away, 108 00:09:17,436 --> 00:09:21,396 Speaker 1: beyond Mulholland Highway, in a remote and seldom traveled part 109 00:09:21,396 --> 00:09:25,876 Speaker 1: of the park is where Anthony Rauta lived. It's where 110 00:09:25,876 --> 00:09:39,956 Speaker 1: he was arrested, and it's not that far. There are 111 00:09:39,996 --> 00:09:43,716 Speaker 1: only a couple hundred homeless people in Malibu, and they 112 00:09:43,756 --> 00:09:48,396 Speaker 1: fall into distinct categories. There are the beach dwellers, a 113 00:09:48,396 --> 00:09:51,236 Speaker 1: lot of them living in RV's along Pacific Coast Highway. 114 00:09:52,116 --> 00:09:55,316 Speaker 1: They're the mountain men, homestead or loner types like Routa 115 00:09:55,556 --> 00:09:57,876 Speaker 1: who live up in the hills, and there are the 116 00:09:57,916 --> 00:10:02,276 Speaker 1: townfolk who congregate in and around the library and shops. Yeah, 117 00:10:02,316 --> 00:10:04,756 Speaker 1: we'll go. Um, let's just shake over here by the 118 00:10:04,796 --> 00:10:07,356 Speaker 1: library and win Park and then we can walk in 119 00:10:07,396 --> 00:10:10,796 Speaker 1: the Legacy I'm tagging along with the sheriff departments Homeless 120 00:10:10,836 --> 00:10:14,796 Speaker 1: Outreach Team. These deputies make regular welfare checks to the 121 00:10:14,876 --> 00:10:18,596 Speaker 1: camps scattered around Malibu. I'm hoping that they might have 122 00:10:18,676 --> 00:10:22,196 Speaker 1: run into Route at some point. We're across from the 123 00:10:22,276 --> 00:10:25,836 Speaker 1: library in Legacy Park, right behind the ultra high end 124 00:10:25,916 --> 00:10:29,916 Speaker 1: Malibu Country Shopping Center. This is a spot where a 125 00:10:29,916 --> 00:10:33,116 Speaker 1: lot of homeless people gather. One of the deputies shows 126 00:10:33,116 --> 00:10:34,956 Speaker 1: me an app they use to keep a record of 127 00:10:35,036 --> 00:10:38,956 Speaker 1: everyone they make contact with. This is everyone I've spoken 128 00:10:38,996 --> 00:10:42,596 Speaker 1: to in the last two years. Ozzie Anthony Route's dad 129 00:10:43,076 --> 00:10:45,476 Speaker 1: told me that his son had a library card that 130 00:10:45,556 --> 00:10:47,996 Speaker 1: he hung out at libraries a lot, in spite of 131 00:10:48,036 --> 00:10:52,716 Speaker 1: being a mountain man. I take a deep breath. Would 132 00:10:52,716 --> 00:10:55,396 Speaker 1: you be able to check that database for someone for 133 00:10:55,556 --> 00:11:00,556 Speaker 1: me to find out if they've received homeless services? And so, Yes, absolutely, 134 00:11:00,596 --> 00:11:05,276 Speaker 1: I can check it. Okay, what's the name? Last name? First, 135 00:11:05,516 --> 00:11:10,716 Speaker 1: first name, first Anthony. Okay, rout At, r A U 136 00:11:11,636 --> 00:11:17,036 Speaker 1: d A seller right, you did it right. Okay, it's 137 00:11:17,316 --> 00:11:20,596 Speaker 1: when I'm to scroll up, but it'll see did not 138 00:11:20,676 --> 00:11:25,716 Speaker 1: find did not match any client. Okay. Disappointing, but not surprising. 139 00:11:26,516 --> 00:11:28,356 Speaker 1: Routa seems like the kind of person who would have 140 00:11:28,396 --> 00:11:32,436 Speaker 1: avoided this kind of contact at all costs. But then, 141 00:11:32,836 --> 00:11:35,356 Speaker 1: just as we're about to leave, a man named Josh 142 00:11:35,396 --> 00:11:38,836 Speaker 1: Crawford walks up to him. My name is Josh Mail. 143 00:11:39,076 --> 00:11:41,516 Speaker 1: How he used to camp here? Now he sleeps in 144 00:11:41,516 --> 00:11:44,676 Speaker 1: a car. The cops tell me that he actually volunteered 145 00:11:44,676 --> 00:11:47,276 Speaker 1: to help fight the Wolsey fire. Sleep over there in 146 00:11:47,316 --> 00:11:49,596 Speaker 1: the park man, and uh, you know, kind of giving 147 00:11:49,676 --> 00:11:52,556 Speaker 1: up on life. So you know, I'm curious how he 148 00:11:52,636 --> 00:11:58,116 Speaker 1: ended up out here. Turns out it's the energy. It's 149 00:11:58,156 --> 00:12:03,316 Speaker 1: so beautiful, you know. Mallible is like, I say, that's 150 00:12:03,316 --> 00:12:06,916 Speaker 1: the reason people come here, because it's an energy here. 151 00:12:07,516 --> 00:12:10,796 Speaker 1: It's a nobody wants to leave. It's like, we'd rather 152 00:12:10,836 --> 00:12:14,396 Speaker 1: sleep on the ground here than an apartment in hell? 153 00:12:15,316 --> 00:12:17,756 Speaker 1: Do you hear me? I rather sleep on the ground 154 00:12:17,876 --> 00:12:23,476 Speaker 1: here around this good energy. How how do you describe 155 00:12:23,556 --> 00:12:27,436 Speaker 1: the community of people living in tents and sleeping rough 156 00:12:27,516 --> 00:12:30,796 Speaker 1: and homeless around Malibu? Is it a welcoming community? Is 157 00:12:30,796 --> 00:12:32,916 Speaker 1: it tight knit? Is it a lot of loaners? What's 158 00:12:32,956 --> 00:12:37,796 Speaker 1: the vibe? It's all above, it's tight en it. It's 159 00:12:37,836 --> 00:12:40,716 Speaker 1: a lot of loaners. It's you got your junkies, you 160 00:12:40,796 --> 00:12:45,036 Speaker 1: got your alcoholics, you got your people that's depressed. You 161 00:12:45,156 --> 00:12:48,636 Speaker 1: got people that have lost their kids, made them lose 162 00:12:48,676 --> 00:12:52,036 Speaker 1: their mind. You know, it's a lot of reason people 163 00:12:52,236 --> 00:12:55,556 Speaker 1: end up out of here. On a psychological level, Can 164 00:12:55,596 --> 00:12:58,436 Speaker 1: I ask you about a specific person, if you ever 165 00:12:58,476 --> 00:13:01,716 Speaker 1: heard of somebody living in I pull up a picture 166 00:13:01,716 --> 00:13:04,796 Speaker 1: of Router on my phone. There are only a few online. 167 00:13:05,316 --> 00:13:07,316 Speaker 1: One from the day of his arrest, another one that 168 00:13:07,356 --> 00:13:09,476 Speaker 1: looks like an old mug shot, and if few from 169 00:13:09,476 --> 00:13:12,556 Speaker 1: his courtroom appearances where he's in a restraint chair wearing 170 00:13:12,596 --> 00:13:16,556 Speaker 1: a blue jumpsuit and a spit mask. Now I'm not pure, 171 00:13:16,636 --> 00:13:20,756 Speaker 1: but that picture show looks so I think he used 172 00:13:20,796 --> 00:13:24,396 Speaker 1: to come down and go to the library. And because 173 00:13:26,076 --> 00:13:28,996 Speaker 1: that guy that's like a younger picture of my thing. 174 00:13:30,916 --> 00:13:33,836 Speaker 1: He's talking about the old mug shot where Rauda has 175 00:13:33,876 --> 00:13:37,716 Speaker 1: a defiant old West outlaw luck. Yeah, because it looks 176 00:13:37,796 --> 00:13:43,116 Speaker 1: like this guy used to be with this, uh white 177 00:13:43,236 --> 00:13:45,636 Speaker 1: lady that was also you know, she was on the street, 178 00:13:46,276 --> 00:13:51,236 Speaker 1: but he was a drinker. Like and uh, yeah, he 179 00:13:51,236 --> 00:13:53,556 Speaker 1: had a girlfriend. I don't know about a girlfriend, but 180 00:13:53,596 --> 00:13:55,516 Speaker 1: he was a white lady. He will be around every 181 00:13:55,596 --> 00:13:57,476 Speaker 1: day and he will be with her. But this was 182 00:13:57,516 --> 00:13:59,756 Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago or something. Yeah, I 183 00:13:59,796 --> 00:14:01,316 Speaker 1: kind of want to say he had a He kept 184 00:14:01,316 --> 00:14:04,276 Speaker 1: a good tar with him too. What no hell of 185 00:14:04,316 --> 00:14:06,596 Speaker 1: a player, I know, but he had a guitar with him. 186 00:14:07,756 --> 00:14:09,756 Speaker 1: You know, everybody will kinna be out for the rockles 187 00:14:09,876 --> 00:14:12,116 Speaker 1: or whatever. He used to say things like about him 188 00:14:12,236 --> 00:14:15,796 Speaker 1: singing and stuff like that because he always had a 189 00:14:15,876 --> 00:14:20,876 Speaker 1: gata with him, a guitar, a lady friend. It's so 190 00:14:20,996 --> 00:14:23,636 Speaker 1: tempting to think of this as Rauta, but I can't 191 00:14:23,636 --> 00:14:27,436 Speaker 1: find anyone who'll confirm it. No one else I talked 192 00:14:27,436 --> 00:14:30,476 Speaker 1: to in Malibu has ever laid eyes on him until 193 00:14:30,516 --> 00:14:34,396 Speaker 1: the day of his capture. I'm trying to catch a shadow. 194 00:14:35,276 --> 00:14:38,756 Speaker 1: Rodas so hard to pin down, so hard to place 195 00:14:39,236 --> 00:15:00,356 Speaker 1: anywhere when he's not firmly behind bars. For months, I've 196 00:15:00,396 --> 00:15:03,236 Speaker 1: been trying to get information from California State Parks, the 197 00:15:03,356 --> 00:15:06,956 Speaker 1: government agency that runs Malibu Creek State Park, and for 198 00:15:07,076 --> 00:15:11,076 Speaker 1: months they've been totally stonewalling. Hi Dan, Now, this is 199 00:15:11,116 --> 00:15:15,036 Speaker 1: Gloria Sandoval from the firm California State Parks, returning your 200 00:15:15,036 --> 00:15:19,116 Speaker 1: phone call. Unfortunately, due to the ongoing investigation, we can't 201 00:15:19,156 --> 00:15:22,396 Speaker 1: make anybody available for your interview at this time. But 202 00:15:23,036 --> 00:15:28,076 Speaker 1: I ask for anything and everything, crime data, staffing levels, 203 00:15:28,156 --> 00:15:32,516 Speaker 1: staff lists, occupancy data, incident reports, anything that might shed 204 00:15:32,636 --> 00:15:36,596 Speaker 1: even a little light on what happened. Months go by 205 00:15:36,676 --> 00:15:40,836 Speaker 1: between my emails and calls and their responses. After a 206 00:15:40,876 --> 00:15:43,396 Speaker 1: long wait, I do get some data from State Parks, 207 00:15:43,756 --> 00:15:48,876 Speaker 1: but it's incomplete and inconclusive, they tell me repeatedly, in 208 00:15:48,916 --> 00:15:52,236 Speaker 1: every way you can think of. No, no, we will 209 00:15:52,276 --> 00:15:55,316 Speaker 1: not explain what happened Malibu Creek State Park between twenty 210 00:15:55,556 --> 00:15:59,796 Speaker 1: sixteen and twenty eighteen. The parks have their own police force. 211 00:16:00,196 --> 00:16:04,476 Speaker 1: Those are the rangers, sworn peace officers with badges and guns. 212 00:16:05,116 --> 00:16:08,876 Speaker 1: They could have investigated the shootings. I know from talking 213 00:16:08,916 --> 00:16:11,596 Speaker 1: to Sergeant Right that at least one person fairly high 214 00:16:11,676 --> 00:16:14,876 Speaker 1: up at the park knew they needed Lostell's help. But 215 00:16:15,036 --> 00:16:18,356 Speaker 1: what were they doing over there? It's impossible to find out. 216 00:16:19,636 --> 00:16:22,196 Speaker 1: The Only thing I do find out. I learned from court. 217 00:16:22,836 --> 00:16:26,676 Speaker 1: It's pretty damning. The tent that Tristan Bodett was killed 218 00:16:26,716 --> 00:16:31,316 Speaker 1: in the crime scene itself. It was never booked into evidence, 219 00:16:31,876 --> 00:16:37,556 Speaker 1: it was never properly examined. It couldn't be because State 220 00:16:37,636 --> 00:16:43,156 Speaker 1: Parks threw it away. If the craziest thing I've learned 221 00:16:43,196 --> 00:16:45,396 Speaker 1: about the park is that they left a campground to 222 00:16:45,436 --> 00:16:49,596 Speaker 1: open after there'd been multiple shootings there, then this is 223 00:16:49,596 --> 00:16:54,316 Speaker 1: the second craziest thing. Someone was murdered in his tent 224 00:16:54,836 --> 00:17:00,036 Speaker 1: in that same campground and you throw it in the trash. 225 00:17:00,636 --> 00:17:05,556 Speaker 1: No wonder. No one wants to talk to me. The 226 00:17:05,596 --> 00:17:07,636 Speaker 1: only thing I can do is keep going back to 227 00:17:07,676 --> 00:17:11,596 Speaker 1: the park. One day, I join a walking tour led 228 00:17:11,596 --> 00:17:15,036 Speaker 1: by a former ranger to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of 229 00:17:15,116 --> 00:17:18,156 Speaker 1: Planet of the Apes, which was filmed in Malibu Creek 230 00:17:18,156 --> 00:17:20,436 Speaker 1: State Park. So many people refer to this as the 231 00:17:20,516 --> 00:17:24,476 Speaker 1: Jewel of Santa Monica Mounds. That's how desperate I am. 232 00:17:24,876 --> 00:17:28,516 Speaker 1: It's roughly a three mile round trip from here. We 233 00:17:28,676 --> 00:17:30,636 Speaker 1: will just go up the road a little bit to 234 00:17:30,716 --> 00:17:34,996 Speaker 1: see our first scene location. Then we'll come back and 235 00:17:35,076 --> 00:17:38,036 Speaker 1: we'll head down into the heart of the park. It's 236 00:17:38,036 --> 00:17:40,956 Speaker 1: a motley crew of film buffs and science fiction fans 237 00:17:41,036 --> 00:17:43,156 Speaker 1: and people looking to fill as Sunday with a hike 238 00:17:43,196 --> 00:17:46,756 Speaker 1: in Malibu Creek State Park. We're about thirty minutes in 239 00:17:47,356 --> 00:17:50,796 Speaker 1: when someone brings up the Boudette murder. Oh oh, that 240 00:17:50,916 --> 00:17:54,276 Speaker 1: was in the campground. Unsurprisingly, the ranger doesn't want to 241 00:17:54,276 --> 00:17:56,756 Speaker 1: talk about it, but I think it's possible they got 242 00:17:56,796 --> 00:18:00,716 Speaker 1: the tire. Yeah. Well him, until we got the evidence, 243 00:18:00,756 --> 00:18:04,076 Speaker 1: I guess. He does say that the killing has significantly 244 00:18:04,076 --> 00:18:07,316 Speaker 1: depressed attendance at the park, and sifting through the data 245 00:18:07,356 --> 00:18:10,196 Speaker 1: that state Parks gave me, I've learned that the financial 246 00:18:10,196 --> 00:18:14,996 Speaker 1: impact was significant. Revenue fell by fifty percent, a loss 247 00:18:14,996 --> 00:18:18,916 Speaker 1: of seven hundred thousand dollars compared to the year before. Ye, 248 00:18:18,996 --> 00:18:21,316 Speaker 1: it's all I mean. I'm not the park spokesman. No, 249 00:18:21,476 --> 00:18:24,116 Speaker 1: that's for sure. I don't know really any more than 250 00:18:24,156 --> 00:18:27,116 Speaker 1: I read in the newspapers or here on the news. 251 00:18:27,116 --> 00:18:30,356 Speaker 1: And he says he thinks the element of danger has 252 00:18:30,356 --> 00:18:33,636 Speaker 1: been eliminated, but also that there's still a lot that 253 00:18:33,676 --> 00:18:35,636 Speaker 1: hasn't been released, which I don't know. But there were 254 00:18:35,876 --> 00:18:40,196 Speaker 1: one day that the hills were covered with sheriff's deputies 255 00:18:40,236 --> 00:18:43,996 Speaker 1: and they're just you know, following all these various social trails, 256 00:18:43,996 --> 00:18:47,316 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm sure this guy went off trail as well, right, 257 00:18:47,356 --> 00:18:49,796 Speaker 1: So the more evidence the better, that's, you know, how 258 00:18:49,836 --> 00:18:54,796 Speaker 1: you approve the case. During the tour, I've been keeping 259 00:18:54,796 --> 00:18:57,196 Speaker 1: my eye on one of the other hikers, a guy 260 00:18:57,236 --> 00:19:01,036 Speaker 1: wearing camouflage and to make America Great Again hat. He 261 00:19:01,116 --> 00:19:05,516 Speaker 1: seems very interested in the murder talk. I introduced myself 262 00:19:05,596 --> 00:19:07,756 Speaker 1: and he tells me his name is Lou Johnson, and 263 00:19:07,796 --> 00:19:10,636 Speaker 1: he's here with a boy named Huts and his landlady's son. 264 00:19:11,676 --> 00:19:15,796 Speaker 1: We just stopped going anywhere. He tells me that before 265 00:19:15,836 --> 00:19:18,796 Speaker 1: the murder, he and Hudson spent their weekends hiking all 266 00:19:18,796 --> 00:19:23,436 Speaker 1: over this area. That changed. Just the randomness of it 267 00:19:23,076 --> 00:19:26,716 Speaker 1: was very troubling, I think, because it didn't matters like 268 00:19:26,796 --> 00:19:28,676 Speaker 1: if you were if you were in the wrong place 269 00:19:28,676 --> 00:19:31,956 Speaker 1: at the wrong time and moving in the wilderness, and 270 00:19:32,076 --> 00:19:35,596 Speaker 1: this guy saw you, you know, you immortal danger there. 271 00:19:36,116 --> 00:19:38,316 Speaker 1: As we fill up our water bottles, he tells me 272 00:19:38,356 --> 00:19:40,636 Speaker 1: that one day, as he was driving to work, he 273 00:19:40,716 --> 00:19:44,516 Speaker 1: saw that the hills were swarming with deputies collecting evidence 274 00:19:44,636 --> 00:19:48,516 Speaker 1: from Rounds campsite. One morning, I came around one of 275 00:19:48,516 --> 00:19:52,996 Speaker 1: the last hairpine curves there, and there were police cars, 276 00:19:52,996 --> 00:19:57,596 Speaker 1: sheriff's cars everywhere, ranger cars, some sheriffs, a group of 277 00:19:57,636 --> 00:20:00,396 Speaker 1: sheriff deputies were coming up the road and I said, Hey, 278 00:20:00,556 --> 00:20:03,916 Speaker 1: is this have to do with the investigation wrapping it up? 279 00:20:04,396 --> 00:20:07,196 Speaker 1: And said yeah, we're just up here, you know, doing 280 00:20:07,276 --> 00:20:10,516 Speaker 1: cleanup and stuff like that. You know, he said a 281 00:20:10,556 --> 00:20:13,396 Speaker 1: few years earlier he tried to take Hudson hiking right 282 00:20:13,436 --> 00:20:16,876 Speaker 1: there in that exact spot, start hiking up there. There 283 00:20:16,876 --> 00:20:19,956 Speaker 1: were animal trails and I remember remarking, Wow, these are 284 00:20:20,796 --> 00:20:23,436 Speaker 1: He's really good with animal trails, and this was the 285 00:20:23,476 --> 00:20:25,876 Speaker 1: trail in the grass was pretty well trodden. I thought, oh, 286 00:20:25,876 --> 00:20:29,356 Speaker 1: maybe some hikers go up here. And it sort of 287 00:20:29,356 --> 00:20:31,396 Speaker 1: follows a little canyon rise and there's a lot of 288 00:20:31,396 --> 00:20:34,956 Speaker 1: big oak trees there with big canopies, and I remember 289 00:20:34,956 --> 00:20:37,276 Speaker 1: we sat up underneath one and he was sort of 290 00:20:37,516 --> 00:20:41,036 Speaker 1: just sort of not maybe he didn't feel good. I 291 00:20:41,076 --> 00:20:42,876 Speaker 1: don't know what it was, but he just didn't want 292 00:20:42,876 --> 00:20:46,436 Speaker 1: to hike. And it was strange, lu says, really out 293 00:20:46,436 --> 00:20:49,756 Speaker 1: of character for Hudson. But he couldn't make him go on, 294 00:20:50,196 --> 00:20:53,116 Speaker 1: so they turned back, and you know, the thing that 295 00:20:53,276 --> 00:20:55,996 Speaker 1: strikes me is now knowing that you know that was 296 00:20:56,196 --> 00:21:01,236 Speaker 1: where route as camp was, that that's kind of a 297 00:21:01,316 --> 00:21:04,996 Speaker 1: scary thing we could have if we had gone hiking 298 00:21:05,116 --> 00:21:08,756 Speaker 1: up in there. Would he have felt threatened? You know, 299 00:21:08,796 --> 00:21:10,676 Speaker 1: he would kind of hiding out. I read, you know, 300 00:21:10,796 --> 00:21:14,596 Speaker 1: he just didn't like people who knows We don't know. 301 00:21:14,676 --> 00:21:17,716 Speaker 1: And it just was now looking back and I was like, wow, 302 00:21:17,756 --> 00:21:20,396 Speaker 1: that felt like a close call for us safety wise. 303 00:21:20,876 --> 00:21:24,876 Speaker 1: And again, had we known that these other things had 304 00:21:24,916 --> 00:21:27,716 Speaker 1: happened at that time, we didn't know about We'd never 305 00:21:27,756 --> 00:21:31,236 Speaker 1: heard about any problems. And it just is it's not 306 00:21:31,356 --> 00:21:34,956 Speaker 1: kind of frustrating, it's very frustrating. It's infuriating because this 307 00:21:35,156 --> 00:21:37,316 Speaker 1: transparency that these guys all take an oath for it. 308 00:21:37,356 --> 00:21:39,596 Speaker 1: I support the police. I'm a real supporter of law 309 00:21:39,676 --> 00:21:42,036 Speaker 1: enforcement and all that, but when they pull stuff like 310 00:21:42,116 --> 00:21:45,316 Speaker 1: this it seems political or for whatever reason, it really 311 00:21:45,396 --> 00:21:50,476 Speaker 1: pisses me off. Lu says, the trail to Routa's camp 312 00:21:50,596 --> 00:21:53,196 Speaker 1: is not too far from where we are now. He 313 00:21:53,236 --> 00:21:54,956 Speaker 1: can show me if I want to meet him out 314 00:21:54,996 --> 00:21:58,796 Speaker 1: there when the tour ends. We trade email addresses and 315 00:21:58,876 --> 00:22:04,116 Speaker 1: he tells me he'll be in touch after my visits 316 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:07,476 Speaker 1: to the park. I keep thinking about Routa, sleeping night 317 00:22:07,516 --> 00:22:10,876 Speaker 1: after night in the wild. With his first letter, he 318 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:14,836 Speaker 1: enclosed a careful pencil drawing of two mountain lion cubs snuggling. 319 00:22:15,756 --> 00:22:18,956 Speaker 1: I want to know more about his life outdoors. In 320 00:22:18,956 --> 00:22:22,076 Speaker 1: his next letter, he writes, I was hardly ever scared. 321 00:22:22,636 --> 00:22:25,956 Speaker 1: I did a lot of hiking, starving and freezing. I 322 00:22:26,116 --> 00:22:31,076 Speaker 1: seen little baby bears, foxes, bobcats, eagles. There's a spot 323 00:22:31,076 --> 00:22:33,156 Speaker 1: on the Tapanga Mountains where you can see the ocean. 324 00:22:33,796 --> 00:22:36,316 Speaker 1: There's a spot on the Pacific Palisades where you can 325 00:22:36,356 --> 00:22:42,916 Speaker 1: see to pass a robelus. Those words stop me cold. 326 00:22:45,196 --> 00:22:50,996 Speaker 1: I just moved to the Palisades, but he couldn't know 327 00:22:51,076 --> 00:22:58,276 Speaker 1: that I've been using a different mailing address. It's right 328 00:22:58,316 --> 00:23:29,116 Speaker 1: around that time I start having nightmares about Anthony Rowda Mhore. 329 00:24:13,756 --> 00:24:17,556 Speaker 1: So like when I woke up, I woke up like 330 00:24:18,276 --> 00:24:20,716 Speaker 1: I almost you could imagine if an explosion went off 331 00:24:20,756 --> 00:24:25,236 Speaker 1: by your head, like really suddenly. And I don't really 332 00:24:25,276 --> 00:24:28,396 Speaker 1: know why I woke up like that, because there was 333 00:24:28,396 --> 00:24:30,076 Speaker 1: no pain or anything. So like the bottom of me, 334 00:24:30,436 --> 00:24:34,476 Speaker 1: this is Jimmy Rogers near Miss number one. He was 335 00:24:34,476 --> 00:24:38,436 Speaker 1: attacked twenty months before Tristan Bodett was killed. He's agreed 336 00:24:38,436 --> 00:24:41,236 Speaker 1: to meet up in this shady grove in Tapia Park, 337 00:24:41,396 --> 00:24:43,436 Speaker 1: which is part of Malibu Creek State Park. So like, 338 00:24:43,476 --> 00:24:45,676 Speaker 1: I woke up and then I was just like what 339 00:24:45,756 --> 00:24:49,756 Speaker 1: happened in all Jimmy's a serious outdoorsman, a trained wildlife 340 00:24:49,756 --> 00:24:53,236 Speaker 1: biologist who's worked for the Forest Service. He's telling me 341 00:24:53,276 --> 00:24:56,956 Speaker 1: about the morning of November third, twenty sixteen. He was 342 00:24:56,996 --> 00:24:59,516 Speaker 1: sleeping in a hammock in the park. He was on 343 00:24:59,556 --> 00:25:02,556 Speaker 1: a solo backpacking trip, trying to complete all sixty seven 344 00:25:02,556 --> 00:25:06,196 Speaker 1: miles of the Backbone Trail in three days. Between three 345 00:25:06,236 --> 00:25:09,556 Speaker 1: and four in the morning, he was startled awake, and 346 00:25:09,596 --> 00:25:11,876 Speaker 1: then I felt something was on my arm or something 347 00:25:11,956 --> 00:25:14,436 Speaker 1: was like clawing at my arm, which was my initial 348 00:25:14,436 --> 00:25:16,676 Speaker 1: thought because my hammock was somewhat low to the ground. 349 00:25:17,076 --> 00:25:19,636 Speaker 1: He tumbled out of his hammock, which had split in half. 350 00:25:20,436 --> 00:25:23,916 Speaker 1: He stood there listening as his arm began to sting. 351 00:25:24,716 --> 00:25:26,916 Speaker 1: His jacket was torn, and when he took it off, 352 00:25:27,076 --> 00:25:29,716 Speaker 1: he saw holes in his arm, a lot of them. 353 00:25:30,396 --> 00:25:33,196 Speaker 1: It looked like a small animal had been gnawing on him. 354 00:25:33,396 --> 00:25:35,476 Speaker 1: Because then I was like, well, if it was an animal. 355 00:25:35,996 --> 00:25:38,476 Speaker 1: It had to have been rabbit or something. But I 356 00:25:38,876 --> 00:25:40,836 Speaker 1: determined like any animal could have been, whether it was 357 00:25:40,836 --> 00:25:45,836 Speaker 1: a rabbit, coyote, or fox, or just dog or skunk 358 00:25:46,036 --> 00:25:50,756 Speaker 1: or anything. Even of rats, like they're pretty easy to find, 359 00:25:50,956 --> 00:25:53,756 Speaker 1: especially in this oak leaf litter, because they can't move 360 00:25:53,836 --> 00:25:56,316 Speaker 1: very fast, and especially he tells me that he ventured 361 00:25:56,836 --> 00:26:02,916 Speaker 1: very carefully into the woods. So I walked without a 362 00:26:03,076 --> 00:26:06,396 Speaker 1: light down there because I really it's really about hearing 363 00:26:06,796 --> 00:26:12,236 Speaker 1: the sounds. To me, I did hear one like that. 364 00:26:12,956 --> 00:26:15,636 Speaker 1: It was just a one sudden movement in leaf litter, 365 00:26:16,396 --> 00:26:18,716 Speaker 1: so it could have been a very small animal moving 366 00:26:18,716 --> 00:26:20,396 Speaker 1: its whole body, or it could have been a person 367 00:26:20,436 --> 00:26:23,916 Speaker 1: moving afoot. So I stopped and I just stared at 368 00:26:23,956 --> 00:26:27,676 Speaker 1: where that sound was. I wanted to keep going, but 369 00:26:27,756 --> 00:26:30,716 Speaker 1: I didn't because I literally thought, I don't want to 370 00:26:30,716 --> 00:26:33,396 Speaker 1: get shot in the face. I kind of literally thought 371 00:26:33,436 --> 00:26:36,756 Speaker 1: somebody was looking at me, and they probably with that 372 00:26:36,876 --> 00:26:40,756 Speaker 1: movement or getting ready to do something. So I sat 373 00:26:40,796 --> 00:26:42,996 Speaker 1: there for a couple of minutes. I just said, I'm 374 00:26:42,996 --> 00:26:46,076 Speaker 1: just gonna pack up all my stuff and leave. He 375 00:26:46,156 --> 00:26:48,396 Speaker 1: gathered up his stuff, walked out of the park and 376 00:26:48,476 --> 00:26:50,676 Speaker 1: along the canyon road, till his phone had a signal. 377 00:26:51,316 --> 00:26:53,436 Speaker 1: He called his girlfriend and asked her to pick him up. 378 00:26:54,236 --> 00:26:57,036 Speaker 1: She took one look at his open wound, dozens of 379 00:26:57,036 --> 00:27:01,676 Speaker 1: tiny punctures, and drove him straight to the emergency room 380 00:27:01,836 --> 00:27:05,436 Speaker 1: for weeks. Afterward, he says he tried to rationalize the experience, 381 00:27:06,356 --> 00:27:09,356 Speaker 1: so just none of the scenarios I kept painting made 382 00:27:09,396 --> 00:27:12,356 Speaker 1: any sense. I literally just started thinking about every single 383 00:27:12,396 --> 00:27:16,116 Speaker 1: animal that lives out here and it could possibly live 384 00:27:16,116 --> 00:27:18,516 Speaker 1: out here. And I kind of ended it on a 385 00:27:18,556 --> 00:27:22,596 Speaker 1: crazy thought and I literally determined it was vampire bats. 386 00:27:23,116 --> 00:27:28,436 Speaker 1: Vampire bats because when they bite, they secrete this numbing 387 00:27:28,476 --> 00:27:31,036 Speaker 1: sensation so you can't feel it. And then they lapped 388 00:27:31,036 --> 00:27:33,916 Speaker 1: your blood and it seemed like a superficial wound and 389 00:27:33,956 --> 00:27:39,116 Speaker 1: the but then one day something unexpected happened. A round 390 00:27:39,196 --> 00:27:44,236 Speaker 1: metal pellet fell out of his arm, then another and another, 391 00:27:45,396 --> 00:27:48,836 Speaker 1: and it just popped out and it didn't feel like anything, 392 00:27:49,076 --> 00:27:51,996 Speaker 1: and it was just a perfect shallow circle that it left. 393 00:27:52,036 --> 00:27:55,916 Speaker 1: And then I found it and it was metal biting 394 00:27:55,956 --> 00:28:00,436 Speaker 1: your teeth. You drop it on glass, and like, did 395 00:28:00,476 --> 00:28:03,036 Speaker 1: my body just make that? I don't think so. And 396 00:28:03,116 --> 00:28:06,196 Speaker 1: then um, and then eventually we just a few of 397 00:28:06,196 --> 00:28:08,956 Speaker 1: the wounds were still kind of open, so I go. 398 00:28:09,156 --> 00:28:11,876 Speaker 1: Friend started like squeezing at it, so he took that 399 00:28:11,916 --> 00:28:13,836 Speaker 1: one out and then we were like, all right, we 400 00:28:13,836 --> 00:28:16,036 Speaker 1: need to get X ray and they found four There 401 00:28:16,036 --> 00:28:18,956 Speaker 1: were four more embedded in there pretty deep, So then 402 00:28:18,956 --> 00:28:22,436 Speaker 1: I went and got surgery. He hadn't been bitten by 403 00:28:22,476 --> 00:28:25,956 Speaker 1: a rabbit animal or by a vampire bat good. He'd 404 00:28:25,996 --> 00:28:30,596 Speaker 1: been shot with bird shot, small shotgun pellets used to 405 00:28:30,676 --> 00:28:34,636 Speaker 1: kill birds in flight. Jimmy shows me the scar. It's 406 00:28:34,676 --> 00:28:37,156 Speaker 1: about three and a half inches across on the underside 407 00:28:37,156 --> 00:28:39,516 Speaker 1: of his right arm, between the elbow and the shoulder. 408 00:28:40,236 --> 00:28:44,236 Speaker 1: It's a big, scary looking wound. If you just look 409 00:28:44,276 --> 00:28:45,796 Speaker 1: at the pattern of my arm, like, it looks like 410 00:28:45,836 --> 00:28:49,556 Speaker 1: they are pretty close, but it's hard to say. But 411 00:28:49,596 --> 00:28:53,316 Speaker 1: within five feet is what the police officers actually told 412 00:28:53,356 --> 00:28:57,956 Speaker 1: me it was most likely. But the wound isn't even 413 00:28:57,996 --> 00:29:01,716 Speaker 1: the most disturbing part. The most disturbing part is how 414 00:29:01,796 --> 00:29:05,316 Speaker 1: Jimmy sleeps. How he was sleeping when he was shot, 415 00:29:05,876 --> 00:29:08,836 Speaker 1: bundled up in his down jacket and sleeping bag, wrapped 416 00:29:08,876 --> 00:29:12,356 Speaker 1: up in his hammock, with his right arm draped over 417 00:29:12,396 --> 00:29:15,796 Speaker 1: his head. It seemed to Jimmy that the person who 418 00:29:15,836 --> 00:29:20,676 Speaker 1: shot him was aiming for his head. After the pellets 419 00:29:20,676 --> 00:29:22,636 Speaker 1: fell out of his arm, Jimmy went back to the 420 00:29:22,636 --> 00:29:25,356 Speaker 1: park and tried to find someone to talk to, someone 421 00:29:25,396 --> 00:29:28,796 Speaker 1: he could tell this bizarre story too and maybe get answers. 422 00:29:29,556 --> 00:29:32,396 Speaker 1: So I just came out here and I was just 423 00:29:32,436 --> 00:29:34,596 Speaker 1: looking around, and I found a state park employee and 424 00:29:34,756 --> 00:29:38,316 Speaker 1: just told them what happened. And he told me that 425 00:29:38,396 --> 00:29:44,796 Speaker 1: somebody's vehicle was shot with the same bird shot, and 426 00:29:44,836 --> 00:29:46,556 Speaker 1: so they were really concerned about it, and so he 427 00:29:46,596 --> 00:29:49,796 Speaker 1: gave me the number for the sheriff. I tried to 428 00:29:49,836 --> 00:29:53,796 Speaker 1: contact them a few times, but they pretty much never 429 00:29:53,836 --> 00:29:57,516 Speaker 1: revealed much information, and so probably after like a couple 430 00:29:57,516 --> 00:29:59,716 Speaker 1: of emails and a couple of phone calls, I just stopped. 431 00:30:00,596 --> 00:30:03,356 Speaker 1: I asked Jimmy, if he'll indulge me go on a walk. 432 00:30:04,116 --> 00:30:05,836 Speaker 1: I want to see how long it takes to get 433 00:30:05,876 --> 00:30:09,636 Speaker 1: from where he was shot over to the campground. He's game. 434 00:30:14,436 --> 00:30:16,636 Speaker 1: It's not far, but it takes us an hour on 435 00:30:16,756 --> 00:30:22,076 Speaker 1: dusty trails through the foothills out a run fifteen minutes max. 436 00:30:22,276 --> 00:30:26,396 Speaker 1: So we're going under a little sort of riparian area. 437 00:30:26,596 --> 00:30:29,916 Speaker 1: We're in a ripe Parian area. From the campground, we 438 00:30:29,996 --> 00:30:32,076 Speaker 1: walked to the entrance of the park out onto the 439 00:30:32,116 --> 00:30:35,996 Speaker 1: canyon road where all those cars were shot near misses four, five, 440 00:30:36,036 --> 00:30:43,476 Speaker 1: and six. And while we walk, it hits me how 441 00:30:43,596 --> 00:30:48,076 Speaker 1: small this area really is. I just want to say 442 00:30:48,116 --> 00:30:50,876 Speaker 1: one thing, because we may not be here again. Up 443 00:30:50,916 --> 00:30:56,196 Speaker 1: and down this stretch of road is where the tree 444 00:30:56,276 --> 00:31:02,436 Speaker 1: dawn shootings at cars were concentrated. Wow, I didn't know that. 445 00:31:02,876 --> 00:31:06,196 Speaker 1: That's crazy. It seems so obvious. It is all right here. 446 00:31:09,276 --> 00:31:13,516 Speaker 1: Jimmy's right, it is all right here. How could the 447 00:31:13,556 --> 00:31:16,996 Speaker 1: Sheriff's department in state parks not have seen that? How 448 00:31:17,036 --> 00:31:21,836 Speaker 1: could they think or say they believed these were isolated incidents. 449 00:31:24,916 --> 00:31:30,756 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they have warned the public? The authorities, Jimmy says, 450 00:31:30,836 --> 00:31:35,156 Speaker 1: we're pretty unhelpful throughout his ordeal. After taking his report, 451 00:31:35,276 --> 00:31:38,396 Speaker 1: they never followed up. They didn't seem to care. But 452 00:31:38,476 --> 00:31:41,156 Speaker 1: they did say something odd. Well, they didn't really tell 453 00:31:41,196 --> 00:31:44,756 Speaker 1: me much because they said that you can actually kind 454 00:31:44,796 --> 00:31:49,716 Speaker 1: of manufacture different weapons. So like the officer actually said, 455 00:31:49,756 --> 00:31:53,276 Speaker 1: they could have made something to fire this type around, 456 00:31:53,556 --> 00:31:55,876 Speaker 1: like even something really small that you just hit from 457 00:31:55,876 --> 00:32:00,196 Speaker 1: the back. It could have been a handheld thing or anything. 458 00:32:02,356 --> 00:32:05,636 Speaker 1: This is about the so called missing shotgun, The gun 459 00:32:05,676 --> 00:32:08,876 Speaker 1: that was used in near misses one through five, the 460 00:32:09,116 --> 00:32:10,996 Speaker 1: one that was fired at Jimmy while he slept in 461 00:32:11,036 --> 00:32:15,676 Speaker 1: his hammock, The gun that has never been found. From 462 00:32:15,676 --> 00:32:18,036 Speaker 1: what the cops told Jimmy, it sounds like that gun 463 00:32:19,756 --> 00:32:21,116 Speaker 1: wasn't a gun at all.