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Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast I

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Speaker 1: Am Devin, joined as always by Joe and Steve Hi.

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Speaker 1: This week we're going to talk about a mystery that

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Speaker 1: I thought was an Internet mystery at first, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's actually like a puzzle mystery of an Internet starts

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Speaker 1: at to start out Internet mystery. It was suggested by

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Speaker 1: and it is called the Publius Enigmas. You guys argue

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Speaker 1: so I don't think so silent, and I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: what three weeks ago, when you guys are listening to us,

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Speaker 1: So this mystery is actually it's kind of an internet mystery,

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Speaker 1: that kind of merged into Google goal forms forums. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: it's still ongoing. This whole mystery began with a cryptic

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Speaker 1: the last we had said, I said, yeah, it's probably

428
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Speaker 1: worth watching at least you know, some of this stuff,

429
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: and that first one may or may not. It's kind

430
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 1: of an interesting primer, but that second video is like

431
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: don't don't bother. But I had forgotten to tell you that,

432
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: and Steve sent me this email. It was like, here's

433
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Speaker 1: all of the different artwork from all of the booklets

434
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: from all around the world. So this video was dumb

435
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, ah, man, I could have saved

436
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: you so much time and heartache a background noise. It

437
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't really worth it. Um But yeah, I

438
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: mean it's an interesting one. At least, Please don't email

439
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: me saying like this was a waste of my time.

440
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right off the bat it might be,

441
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: but it might also be really interesting to you, and

442
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: you might actually watch it and actually, you know, you

443
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: love a brainstorm, and you'll solve the mystery. It's totally possible. Yeah,

444
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: all of that having been said, we're gonna um dive

445
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Speaker 1: into theories. But first we're going to take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: daily compound interst rate of five point three two over

449
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Speaker 1: the next seventeen days. When Bobby pays you back, how

450
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Speaker 1: much money will you have earned. It doesn't matter because

451
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Speaker 1: you're saving for college and Bobby is notorious for never

452
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Speaker 1: paying anyone back. What does that have to do with

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Speaker 1: today's sponsor? Well, making sure you don't turn into Bobby.

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Speaker 1: d I R e c T to five five four

471
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Speaker 1: four three three. That's direct to five five four four

472
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Speaker 1: three three. It's in your best interests get it interest

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Speaker 1: as an interest rate. You'll get it a couple of

474
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: years we're back. Theory number one would be it's just

475
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: an internet troll, But as previously mentioned, I don't think

476
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: that's a very plausible theory. Just given the light show

477
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: that happened, I would think that it would be at

478
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: least somebody connected with it. Though, as my wonderful fiance

479
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: pointed out, he said, Oh, it could still be a troll.

480
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: It just happens that that troll is like the lighting

481
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: designer or knows the lightnings. Yeah, I was gonna go

482
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: there too. He works there or knows. I mean they

483
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: hired kids to run the freaking gates. This is the

484
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: middle of the show. The kid could have had access

485
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: for a while to go in and just play with

486
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 1: something and change if they know how that system works

487
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: and had acts. I will tell you from working at

488
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: venues for events not of this caliber, but of lesser caliber,

489
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: so would probably likely be even heightened. It would be

490
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: hard for somebody to gain access to that without the

491
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: proper security. You would think that would not let somebody

492
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: go in there and mess with their gear, you know,

493
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: kind of vitally important. But if it were the lightning

494
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: designer or somebody on the staff, somebody on staff, that

495
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: could be possible. Sure, yeah, totally, so okay, fine there next. Well, No,

496
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: I was just gonna follow up by saying, the other

497
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: thing is that I saw in a couple of places,

498
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: not all the places, but a couple of places that

499
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: some of the rereleased mini discs and other you know,

500
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: CDs that were being re released after this whole Publius

501
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: Enigma thing reportedly had in the artwork, like there was

502
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: a picture of a rock wall that had Enigma written

503
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: in it, or like there's a picture of a field

504
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: and there was like a Publius like hidden in the grains.

505
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: Which I don't know how much I believe that I

506
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: saw the pictures that these people were talking about, and

507
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: I agree that in the pictures that they were showing

508
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: online it looked like that. However, I do not believe

509
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: that these people would have then above photos shopping them

510
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: themselves and then putting them out there for public consumption

511
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: and buy yourself some pink Floyd. Well, even if I did,

512
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, the argument is always like, oh, you just

513
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: didn't get the right copy right. It's that same thing

514
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: with the Aladdin the films, some of them that had

515
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: to be recalled because the animators had put like sex

516
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: and then the Little Mermaid with the castle thing right.

517
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: So the argument, yeah, so the argument against those when

518
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: you say like, well my copy didn't have it as,

519
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: they're like, you just didn't get the right copy, right,

520
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: So that would be the same argument there. But the

521
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: whole Little Mermaid castle thing actually just an urban legend.

522
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: I think that didn't actually see. That's exactly what I'm

523
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: saying is that, like, it would be very easy to

524
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: say to somebody you know, who says, oh, had that copy. Well,

525
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: they say I had that copy, and you'd say, well,

526
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: I didn't have that copy. Nobody knows except for you

527
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: had that copy. And they'd say, well, you just had

528
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: weird copies then, right, And then all of the pictures

529
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: online are just photoshops, super easy to do. So I

530
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: and I'm tired to believe actually animators would go to

531
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: that much trouble. In me, animation, especially back in the

532
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: old days, was a pretty labor intensive process whose movies,

533
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it wouldn't surprise me that much

534
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: that they I mean, you know, there's some of the

535
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: jokes I had on in current kids movies. They're adults,

536
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't surprise me too terribly much. But I

537
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: don't think it's just random troll on the Internet that

538
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: is responsible for this, but it's possible. I think it's

539
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: some kind of troll, a Bank Floyd troll. Yeah. Next

540
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: theory is the one that I spent a long time

541
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: learning about because at the beginning of this whole ruling experience,

542
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: this person David Valentine said, oh, the answer to this

543
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: is spiritual enlightenment, and I thought, great, I'm really interested

544
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: to see how this is going to pan out. But no,

545
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: it turns out that theory is actually about possession. I

546
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: have quote for one of his movies, say, right now,

547
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: the Division Bell is literally an album whose songs incorporate

548
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: themselves together to describe the process the spirit took in

549
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: possessing the listener. Unquote. I didn't say quote any but

550
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: let's quote it's quote. That's his theory is that actually

551
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: this entire album is about how Pink Floyd m hm,

552
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: how Pink Floyd possesses their listeners. Is that what he's

553
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: saying that what he's saying the spirit. Is he saying

554
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: the spirit, But the spirit does he mean just your

555
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: own soul possessing your body? No, spirit of the band.

556
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: It not even spirit means the actual band members are

557
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: physically possessing. All five of them are in me at once. Weird,

558
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: I know. And he says that actually, this is something

559
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: that most artists do, is they possess their listeners. And

560
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 1: this is and I should clarify that you it may

561
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: be worth going and watching this for you guys to

562
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: understand that I should clarify. This is not just like

563
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: uh oh, the spirit of the music it's so good,

564
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: like it possesses me and it overwhelms me. No, no, no,

565
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: This is an actual physical overtake of your nervous system

566
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: and body that these people are capable of doing through

567
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: their music, through you listening to their music. According to

568
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: this theory, so don't drive and listen to Pink Floyd

569
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: because they'll take over and they may not be very

570
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: good drivers and they take the car. Yeah. And so

571
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: the argument of like, you know, me being able to say, well,

572
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: like listen, dude, I listened to Division Bell and I

573
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: didn't get possessed is like, well, okay, So it describes no,

574
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: so it describes exactly the dif the situation and how

575
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: it has to be in order for the possession to

576
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: take place. So maybe you did den the lights when

577
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: the artists told you to dim the lights so you

578
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: were able to not get possessed, or maybe you looked

579
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: away so you were able to not And so again

580
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: if that you know, self confirmation of what you know

581
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: what's going on? Really yeah, so if you if you

582
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind the tie, this seen exactly to the Enigma mystery.

583
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: So the Enigma Mystery is thank you because I spent

584
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: so much time in this that I didn't even tie

585
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: it in. The whole Enigma Mystery is pointing you towards

586
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: analyzing the lyrics of the Division Bell. And according to

587
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: this theory, there's a silence triad, which is three of

588
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: the songs that tie together. I should clarify on on

589
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: this album there are two of the tracks are just instrumental,

590
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: and then there's the silence triad, and then of that triad,

591
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: two of the three of the songs. I wish this

592
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: was like a physical thing so I could be showing

593
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: you guys the listeners, But basically it's there's two songs

594
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: that are the Horizontal Farm, and then there's the third

595
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 1: and from that third one, the other two songs on

596
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: the album are all describing the same event, these three songs.

597
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: So it's a try. It's a major interpretation of the

598
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: it is lyrics. It is I can embarrassingly enough, I

599
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: can kind of get there with the explanation of how

600
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: these all kind of get together, because there are actually

601
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: recurring themes within the lyrics in all of the different songs,

602
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: Like there are literally phrases recycled over and over again

603
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: in different songs on the album that seemed to kind

604
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: of describe the same sort of thing. And now Pink

605
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: Floyd for you know, be fan or not. They're not

606
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: lazy artists there. I mean, they may have become lazy

607
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: artists by but I can I can get behind the

608
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: thought process. I don't buy it, but I can understand

609
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: where the thought process comes in of saying, like, listen,

610
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: these are almost verbatim copy paste lyrics from one song

611
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 1: to another. Therefore they must be describing a similar thing.

612
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: There must be some reason for that. And you could

613
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: say the same thing about straight out of Hampton Well

614
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: to the same same phrases same. But here's the thing.

615
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: But you you're this is where you're not listening to me,

616
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: because I'm saying that this theory stipulates that every single

617
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: recording artist to ever have existed does this exact same thing.

618
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: The trick to this is that the division bell is

619
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: meant to expose it. This trick, yeah, to expose the

620
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: fact that artists are possessing there. But but here's the

621
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: problem I have with this theory. I can't defend this

622
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: theory very well. First of all, well, first of all,

623
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: it has there there you know, there really is no

624
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: tie in to the actual I mean, and that's the

625
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: problem I have with Actually, this mystery, the enigma, the

626
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: mystery that you're supposed to solve, Well, nobody ever says

627
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: what it is. You don't know what it is. It's

628
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: it's how can you solve a rider? But you don't

629
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: know what it is? I mean, And well, I mean,

630
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: but but usually a riddle has a beginning, in an

631
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: in the middle, and an ending. Fair enough, in this

632
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: particular case, the guy, the guy refers to a mystery,

633
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: but it doesn't tell you what the mystery is. And

634
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: so I guess, and this is what you're saying. This

635
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: guy was saying, is that the mystery the contest is

636
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: to say, listen hard to these lyrics and the true

637
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: meaning will will pop out at you. Yeah, and that

638
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: is and that is So that is the mystery is

639
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: the mystery of what's in these lyrics. But of course

640
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: that's all subjective because well, no, the mystery is I mean,

641
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: there's a there's a reported tangible prize at the end

642
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: when you solve the mystery of the division bell right,

643
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: and a lot of listeners stipulated and we'll talk more

644
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: about this like in later on in the theories, but

645
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: a lot of fans said, well, obviously we have to

646
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: travel to a physical location to physically retrieve a prize

647
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: that has been hidden somewhere quote unquote secreted away to

648
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: to quote Publius. But this theory stipulates that it's actually

649
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: the prize is actually solving this riddle. That's this larger concept.

650
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: I can't I honestly, I cannot defend it at all.

651
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: I can see parts of it, I can get to

652
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: parts of it. But I also think describing the same

653
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: thing over three or four different songs on an album

654
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: is just great album making, you know, just telling a

655
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: story from multiple different angles. It's just a great storytelling.

656
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's anything nefarious or anything. So I

657
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: can get behind the idea of you know, there's an actual,

658
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, continuum of like this is this song is

659
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: leading up to the events that's happening in these three

660
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: songs from three different angles, and then this is the aftermath. Totally,

661
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: I can totally get there, but I can't get to

662
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: the part where it's like and then it was spiritual possession, man,

663
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: Like I can't get there. I can't. It's not even spiritual,

664
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: it's just it's possession. I can't. I can't get there.

665
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I can't even get halfway there to be.

666
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: But he's not the only one who's come up with

667
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: this kind of idea. I mean that I saw a

668
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff where people are like, it's all

669
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: about connection, man, and it's one world and one love

670
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: and one people. That I was going to say, that's

671
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: the next the next kind of I don't even I

672
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: don't even understand this one. But somebody else stipulated that

673
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: actually the prizes feedback and control feedback. I couldn't wrap

674
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: my head around this one. I'm only putting it out

675
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: there because you'll see it out there. But I couldn't.

676
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: I literally, I can just say that this person thinks

677
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: that instead of actual possession, the solving of the riddle

678
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 1: is feedback, feedback. The word feedback. I can't. I can't

679
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: get there. Well, that feedback can be usedful, I suppose. Yeah,

680
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. There is a connection, interestingly to Douglas

681
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: Adams another theory we're talking about here. It's kind of

682
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: an addition. It's a weird bit of more information on

683
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: the whole enigmas. Yeah, like maybe it's source. Yeah, maybe

684
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: the source. Maybe you know, maybe Douglas Adams is responsible

685
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: for the whole thing. So yeah, I guess it is

686
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: a different theory. In general, I think if Douglas Adams

687
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: have been involved in this, it would have been funnier. Well,

688
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean, so there's this really interesting quote frum Douglas Adams.

689
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: He did like a what I would call an a

690
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: m A on a uth net forum in like two

691
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: thousand on like the Douglas Adam fan And by the way,

692
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Hitchhiker's Guide author Douglas Adams and

693
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: doctor just so everybody knows. Yeah, so he's actually responsible.

694
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: He has credit on the album because he is reportedly

695
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: responsible for naming the album. David Gilmour had asked him

696
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: to kind of look at some lyrics and stuff like

697
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: that as well. I don't know. I there's some so

698
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: there's some speculation with him being involved in it. The

699
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: speculation is that, well, maybe he was responsible for the

700
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: whole concept behind He was actually responsible for the whole

701
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: concept behind the album in in totality basically that he

702
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: had essentially written the lyrics and that he had the album,

703
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: and then he came up with this sort of prize

704
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: thing so that he would be responsible for the concept

705
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: behind it all. Not necessarily it's execution. Not necessarily it's execution.

706
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: But I I wish, I guess would more explain why

707
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: there would be some really crazy interpretations of it. But

708
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think he's actually responsible for

709
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: most of it, So I don't really know. I agree

710
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: with Joe that if Adams had been involved in that way,

711
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: it would have been much cleverer. His style is pretty unmistakable. Yeah,

712
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: I would agree with that totally. Yeah, but I wanted

713
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: to throw that in there because I thought it was interesting.

714
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: I didn't really know that he was I mean that

715
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: he was even involved with pain for apparently he was

716
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: like a huge rock rockhead. Why do you say that

717
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: rock fan, fan fan? He was fan groupie. Yeah, no,

718
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: definitely not a groupie. The next series one that I

719
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: haven't actually seen anywhere else, but I thought was kind

720
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: of an interesting It's kind of a half baked theory,

721
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: but you have it, the idea that maybe Publius was

722
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: actually just a Markov chain generator, because it's you know,

723
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: that's the ergo of my life or airgot the Internet.

724
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: But it's kind of an interesting idea of what if

725
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: somebody just fed all of the lyrics of the division

726
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: Bell into a Markov Chang generator. It would help explain

727
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: all of the weird typos and stuff like that, and

728
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: the you know, simultaneous reposting. The posts weren't necessarily they

729
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: got longer as we as you go through the timeline,

730
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: and they don't necessarily become more coherent. But I don't

731
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't actually I don't know if I really Yeah,

732
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it was like I

733
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: had the idea, so I had to add it. But

734
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 1: also like the problem with this theory is that Markov chains,

735
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: when they have access to a rather large library of words,

736
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: have a hard time stringing sensible sentences together. And then

737
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: if you only feed it the leader the lyrics for

738
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: what eleven or twelve songs, it's a very small pool

739
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: of words because most of those words are repeated, So

740
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: it's it's got a much it can't it's not enough

741
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: words for it to have done even a remotely comprehendible job.

742
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: Or maybe they fed in the markout chain from everything

743
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: Pink Floyd ever did. Maybe, but then the word I

744
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: didn't talk about the wall, so that good point. Now

745
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking the mark out change just remember this to

746
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: mark out chains existed. But at the same time, I

747
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: don't know pink Floyd in the gang where all that

748
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: technologically advanced where they think about doing something like that. Rather,

749
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: I would stipulate that it was just like that was

750
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: an extension of the troll, that it was just some

751
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: random person online. But again the light show. That's my

752
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: big hold up with saying it was just like some

753
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: random person. I just still man. I mean, the whole

754
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: thing about Pink Floyd is they figured out very early

755
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: on that they could go on big solos and they

756
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: could use crazy light setups and big laser shows, and

757
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: you said, make this kind of giant experience. So I

758
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: I don't see it as being such a stretch as

759
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: somebody saying, hey, dude, have you seen this crap? You

760
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: should just like put it somewhere in there. It was like,

761
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: go ahead and do it. I mean, I could just

762
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: totally see that being the case. It's entirely it's the Tyler. Possibly. Yeah,

763
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: they saw that crap and I thought, hey, let's have

764
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: some fun, like you said, totally and then the next

765
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: show that the person who does it, hey, you want

766
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: that in there? Getting no, and we just thought that

767
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: was dumb. We shouldn't have done it. I don't care,

768
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, to put it back to normal totally. Next

769
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: theory is that it was an actual physical treasure. And

770
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: I found this little snippet on Reddit what the reward is, well,

771
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: maybe where it is, and this user posted that some

772
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: of us still chip away at this every once in

773
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: a while. The page numbers of the Division Bell booklet

774
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: contain hidden binary code, a zero for every even numbered

775
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: page and a one for every odd numbered page. Stop

776
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: looking at me like that coupled with the duel heads

777
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: on page eleven, it winds up pointing to the date

778
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: of the First Armistice, November eleventh, nineteen eighteen. The last

779
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: of the Publius posts promised two clues that would lead

780
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: to a physical location that needed to be visited. A

781
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: reference to the page numbers holding great significance was the

782
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: first clue. The second clue that was was never given.

783
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: The anonymous remailer that Publius was using was shut down

784
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: due to end quote unrelated circumstances. We never actually specified

785
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: that the us eventually shut down, like not too long

786
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: after this whole thing got going, right, how long after

787
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: this did it? I actually don't remember the date that

788
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: usenet got shut Well, it was that particular anonymous server

789
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: that he was or she was the thing. But when

790
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: did this this server do you remember? Don't to be honest,

791
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: I suddenly can't remember if it was months or years later.

792
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was years later. It wasn't one to scenario, Okay,

793
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: the shreaditorytelling is my best guess is that something was

794
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: hidden at the glade of the armist armist the location

795
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: where Germany surrendered in World War One, and we're France

796
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: surrendered at World War Two. Of course that would have

797
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: been twenty one years ago. No telling if what it

798
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: would be or even if it were still there. Sure

799
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: it was never there, because I mean, there's no point

800
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: in hiding a treasure when people have no possible way

801
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: of understanding how to find the treasure. Because all the

802
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: ever done has made right vague references to the mystery

803
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: which made may not exist. I will see the one

804
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: interesting thing. Um. I don't know if you got a

805
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: chance to actually go through all of the booklet artwork,

806
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: but at least in the United States original release of

807
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: the Division Bell, the page numbers were on little heads.

808
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: They look like it looks like the heads from Eastern Island. Well,

809
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: they look like the heads on the cover, right. Well

810
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm giving people who don't know what the heads looked like.

811
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: They looked like the heads from me Islid Yeah a

812
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: little bit, Yeah, they do. Um. But the page numbers

813
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: were on little heads, and some of them there there

814
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: was no consistent placement on the page, and they each

815
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: number was in a different language. And some of the

816
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: heads were transparent, and some of them were like bright orange,

817
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 1: and some of them were black, and some of them

818
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: one of them had like a cutout of this the

819
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: next pages word under the white writing. So I mean

820
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: there was like a lot of variants, so that varied

821
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: from country to country as well. It did, for sure.

822
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: But I think it was interesting certainly that there's some

823
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: reference to the page numbers. And I think it's even

824
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: more interesting that some people were like, yeah, obviously it's

825
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: the binary instead of like looking into the crazy page

826
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: numbering system. That well, part of the page numbering was

827
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: in reference to God. There was one that was in God.

828
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: I want to say, it was an Indian um, what

829
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: is the what is the language in India? And thank you?

830
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: And it was written in that based on the image

831
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: that was on the page. Like that seemed to be

832
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: from what I understood in the reading, that was the

833
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: impetus of why this one was in this language and

834
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: this one was in something different some of them, but

835
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: the color scheme was different different, But again it's artistic.

836
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: It's artistic, and it varies by country because that was

837
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: the mirror ball page on in the one of the books,

838
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: the words are on an arc that followed the ball,

839
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: and on the other countries they're square, so it's it's inconsistent. Well,

840
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: and it's I mean, there's all kinds of like weird

841
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: things going on the artwork there. You could read all

842
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff and all kinds of things in the

843
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: absence of the actual proof of any existence of a

844
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: mystery at all, given that nobody has given us a

845
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: clue what the mystery even is. Again, this is the

846
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: problem I have with this story. Not nothing. I have

847
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: a problem with you Devon at all, or with Pink Floyd.

848
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: I love Pink Floyd, but this guy kept referring to

849
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: a mystery. He told us. You never gave us the

850
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: tiniest hand of what the mystery even was, fair enough.

851
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: And that's the problem that I add with this. Okay,

852
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry. I see her. Yeah, the book that

853
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: we're going to sell for like ten million dollars better

854
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: you're going to burn. I'll probably try to sell it.

855
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: I'll just steal it from you and not tell you. Guys.

856
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: But dear Diary had my first kiss today. It was great. Um.

857
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: But so that must mean you have something you want

858
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: to add to this. Well, I didn't see it in

859
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: your stuff. Was there is out there? God? I cannot

860
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: think of the name of the website now, but it's

861
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's got pink Floyd in the name.

862
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: But there's the guy Albert Moogli. Do you remember him. Yeah,

863
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: So this guy has these huge writings talking about how

864
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: he has been involved with the band, almost as if

865
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: he was a silent member in the band. It sounds

866
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: like he started out more of a roady and then

867
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: moved up through the ranks with them. But he tells

868
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: this story about how, oh god, who is it. It's Mason, um,

869
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: Nick Mason, thank you. I think it's Nick Mason came

870
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: up with this crazy code because he was mixing languages

871
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: to try and get everybody to know that Mooglie was

872
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: in the background and was the secret partner and helped

873
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: with all the lyrics. And if you translated it and

874
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: figured it out, you would fig out that it was

875
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: I can't remember what he called himself. His name is

876
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: Albert Moogli, but he it was, you know, the moogie

877
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: or something. And then he went on to say that

878
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: Stephen Hawking wrote the band and he had cracked the code,

879
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: but they couldn't tell Hawking because then it would all

880
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: come out. Sounds sounds pretty legit. Oh yeah, just as

881
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: legit as the story he told where he lost all

882
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: the gear for the band in the river and then

883
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: hit the van and punched himself a couple of times,

884
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: and they believed that he had been beat up. You know.

885
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: Actually reading all this stuff, you know, and I've gone

886
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: through quite a bit of it, actually starts to make

887
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: all the fandom surrounding princess and the paparazzi and all

888
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: that scene almost rational. Yeah. So the last theory we have,

889
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: either of you have any theories that you want to add, No,

890
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: I think this whole thing is just interpretation of lyrics.

891
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: So um, the last theory we have is that this

892
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: was a marketing ploy by Columbia Records, which is the

893
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: theory that I believe most of all. Reportedly in April

894
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: of two thousand five, so ten years after the whole

895
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: release of this thing. Nine, I guess Nick Mason, who

896
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: I guess is the only member of Pink Floyd that

897
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: would ever talk to anybody, because that's where all the

898
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: quotes come from. Are He's the only one who talked

899
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: about it. Maybe I don't know. He wrote he had

900
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: written this biographical book called inside Out, A Personal History

901
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: of Pink Floyd, Apparently he was at a book signing

902
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: and somebody asked him about it and he said, yeah,

903
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: the publius and does exist, but it had been started

904
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: by the record company, the band had no involvement in it,

905
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: and the prize was said to have been something like

906
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: a crop of trees planted in the clear cut area

907
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: of forest or something like that. Really crappy, actually, I

908
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: think I think that's a joke. You know. It's like

909
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: you win, you win, and they just show you a

910
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: photograph of of a clear cut that's been replanted and

911
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: they're like, here, here you go, this is your prize.

912
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: Is actually happy, Well, it's similar to what Uncle Custard said.

913
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: The prize was, right, was like complimentary entry to men

914
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: and some dry eyes. Great, okay? Cool. Um. So the

915
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: quote that it is attributed to Nick Mason about this

916
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: is um. The ploy was done by E M I.

917
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: They had a man working for them who adored puzzles.

918
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: He was working for E M I and suggested that

919
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: a puzzle be created that could be followed on the web.

920
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: The prize was never given out into this day remains unsolved,

921
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: and frankly, the puzzle for me is what was the

922
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: puzzle Yeah, I know, I said that already, but you

923
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: had twelve times. Apparently there had been a different interview

924
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: with um the Pink Floyd lighting and production designer whose

925
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: name is Mark Brickman. He was apparently the person who

926
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: was responsible for putting a name up Publius and the

927
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: like I like Publius because it sounds more like pop.

928
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: I like Publius because it sounds like I'm going to

929
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: go to the pub. All right, fair enough. Mark was

930
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: responsible for putting the lights up, and he basically said

931
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: that it was some CIA or FBI guy from some

932
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: encryption guy. Yeah, who you know what, intentionally made it

933
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: so there was no real mystery and no real solvable anything,

934
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really traced. Um. But however, later um

935
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: Mark did we can't. He said, I didn't never say

936
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: any of that in that interview, basically accused the interviewer

937
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: of having made up that entire statement. Yeah, um, well,

938
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: it is kind of an incomprehensible quote, so maybe it

939
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: was made up. It could have totally been made up.

940
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: Try and read it verbatim. Yeah, so I think marketing

941
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: employee is the most likely of these. But I will

942
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: say the storm thurgis Thurgerson, who was a longtime Pink

943
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: Floyd collaborator, famously once said rumors are only true and denied.

944
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: So the denial Pink Floyd continuing to deny that they

945
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: had no personal involvement in it maybe means they actually

946
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: did have some sort of personal involvement in it, just

947
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: only because I know that they did love kind of

948
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: toying with people. They did. But I really feel like

949
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: that's just that's an easy answer. But I also feel

950
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: like the whole answer to this thing is just read

951
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 1: and interpret our lyrics, because everybody reads and interprets these

952
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: things differently. And that's what you find on the internet.

953
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: I can read a patchage of thorough and take it

954
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: one way, and you can read it and take it

955
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: in a slightly different way for a totally different ways,

956
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: a totally different way, and you know, and and that's

957
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: what that's what it is when you read stuff like that,

958
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: because it's not it's not linear. It's not meant to

959
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: be a linear thought, so which I don't think you

960
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: know really, which to me means unless they have some

961
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: encrypted message in their lyrics, which is possible. It is

962
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: possible unless they had that. If you want to just

963
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: read the words and discern the meeting. While you're like,

964
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: you say, it's subjective, so that's really not a valid

965
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: mystery puzzle at all. Totally agree it's not at all.

966
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: So I just think it's a really interesting thing. I

967
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: don't know why I grabbed me so much, because I did.

968
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: Do you know, you may not know by the length

969
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: of this episode, but I did so much research and

970
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: and watching and listening and hours and hours seconds. Um,

971
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: but I you know, it is interesting to me for sure,

972
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: and I hope that it is interesting to at least

973
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: some of our listeners and that they'll go do their

974
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: own research and it will engage some sort of conversation.

975
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: So while I will agree that I don't think the

976
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: mystery is as robust as it is made out to be,

977
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: the reading can and is interesting in places. So I

978
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: mean it's I don't feel like I wasted time. Well

979
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: I kind of do feel like I wasted time, but

980
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: it didn't waste time, if that makes sense. It does

981
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: because I'm in the same boat where I'm like, I

982
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: was so mad, I like through things when I got

983
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: to the end of that video series and was just like,

984
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: oh my god, how did I just waste so much

985
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: time on this. But at the same time, I am

986
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: happy that I watched it because there's some really interesting

987
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: stuff going on there. If only it's an interesting examination

988
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: of how people can extrapolate out given the tiniest little

989
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: bare bones of information. That's exactly it. And it said

990
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: that the phenomenon of people reading so much into this

991
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: that was and maybe that was the point of the

992
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: whole thing, was to say something just really vague and

993
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: meaningless and just see if people jumped on it and

994
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: how far they took it. Well, I mean, it's an

995
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: interesting idea, right, Like as as you said, Joe, when

996
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: I was starting to talk about this mystery, You're like, well,

997
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: it's a really old mystery though, right, it's from like

998
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: the eighties, it's pre internet. And I said, no, no,

999
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 1: it's from ninety four, and you said, but Pink Floyd

1000
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: was making right, you know. And I think there's something

1001
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: to be said for a marketing team to try to

1002
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: create almost like a pre viral sense around this. I mean,

1003
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: do you think as many people would still be talking

1004
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: about this album anymore if there wasn't this weird thing.

1005
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we certainly wouldn't be doing an episode for

1006
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: our hundreds of listeners are tens of listeners, you know,

1007
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean, because it just wouldn't be like, we wouldn't

1008
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: care that Pink Floyd released an album in ninety four,

1009
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: but now we're talking about but a lot of people

1010
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: are going to be like, oh crap, they did, like,

1011
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: let's go listen to Actually, I was reading the song

1012
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: list and realized I knew at least one of the

1013
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: songs off of it. Yeah crap, But they's good. It's good.

1014
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: They are a band that I always associate to be

1015
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: farther back in time. It's like, yeah, except for it

1016
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: was like the Eagles, except for that that one Hell

1017
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: Freezes Over album that they made there. Yeah, yeah, And

1018
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: so you always just oh, well, now I'm going back

1019
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: to this time frame of music totally. Yeah, that's kind

1020
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: of that. That's when I knew Pink Floyd. I was

1021
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: a kid and I was listening to their stuff, you know.

1022
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just thought it was kind of an

1023
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: interesting little industry. Oh yeah, it's sorry to make you

1024
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: guys trudge through the research again. It's it's just it's just,

1025
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: like I said, an interesting study for the psychologists of

1026
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: how people can see it's on one tiny, vague little

1027
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: thing and makes something huge out of it. Yeah, so

1028
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: do you have I mean, I think it was a

1029
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: marketing ploy. Um. Have you ever you know that that

1030
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: the word the title of Division Bell was supposedly maybe

1031
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: suggested about that Adams? Yes? Do you think maybe he

1032
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: was really talking about the Nazi bill? Yes? I mean

1033
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: I feel more comfortable talking about like World War two

1034
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 1: and Nazis and stuff like that, and I do about

1035
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: this gibberish. I know you do. I'm sorry, I'm sorry

1036
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: to make you talk about Steve. What do you think?

1037
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: I I well, I would like to think that there

1038
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: is something much larger to this. It is it is

1039
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: either the marketing ploy or it is some fan who

1040
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: just came up with a interpretation of lyrics and through

1041
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: some unknown stroke of luck, managed to get that onto

1042
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: the stage at the right time at the right I

1043
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: mean obviously had it set up beforehand, based on the

1044
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: fact that I didn't say this saying this now in

1045
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: the wrap up. But that post that Publius made was

1046
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: like almost a week before it actually happened, So it

1047
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: wasn't even like, oh crap, I like, man, I did

1048
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: it like it's an hour before and when you know,

1049
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 1: post real quick. Oh yeah, I mean like it would

1050
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: have had to have been at least a little bit

1051
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: planned out, which is interesting. I gotta do something, I

1052
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta hurt up and meet the lighting designer

1053
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: and like persuade him and then uh, you know, and

1054
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: and then somehow get it done and he did, you know,

1055
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: and then yeah, yeah, I made drugs blackmail who whatever

1056
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: it took. Yeah, well, I will buy your theory though

1057
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 1: that it was a marketing ploy and I thought, let's

1058
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: do this new weird usenet thing and see if this

1059
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: new internet thing, yeah exactly. Well, well we all know

1060
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: it's not going anywhere. That internet thing, it's never gonna

1061
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: take off. Never. As previously mentioned, we're going to post

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Speaker 1: some links. I'll try to post the most interesting, useful

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Speaker 1: links to you. I can't make any promises. UM. Those links,

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Speaker 1: along with links to merch and also UM. The ability

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Speaker 1: to listen to and download our episodes can be found

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Speaker 1: on our website, which is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can find us. If you don't want to listen

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Speaker 1: to us through our own website, you can find us

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Speaker 1: on iTunes and almost all streaming sites. If your podcast

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Speaker 1: provider of choice allows you to subscribe and leave a

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Speaker 1: review in a rating, please do so. UM. That's how

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Speaker 1: other people are able to find us and find out

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Speaker 1: more about us before listening to us, though we hope

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Speaker 1: they'll just listen to us, you know, blindly like sheep.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do everything, stuff, do it? Do it. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on social media. We have a Facebook

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Speaker 1: group in a page, so you can like the page

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Speaker 1: and join the group. We have a Twitter which is

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Speaker 1: thinking Sideways. We also have a subreddit which is thinking

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Speaker 1: Sideways no trend anywhere. If you are Publius or Uncle

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Speaker 1: Custard or Uncle Custard or Nick Mason or any other

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Speaker 1: person involved with this case, what I think he's yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's okay. We've asked dead people to email us before

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Speaker 1: you kid Arthur C. Clark. It doesn't work if you

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Speaker 1: are anybody who wants to get in contact with us

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Speaker 1: for any reason. If even you just want to yell

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Speaker 1: at me for like butchering the idea of pink Floyd,

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Speaker 1: that's fine with me. UM. You can send us an

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Speaker 1: email at Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. UM,

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Speaker 1: and we do respond to every single email we get.

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Speaker 1: But it does sometimes take us a little while. So

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Speaker 1: thanks for your patients. In that all of that having

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Speaker 1: been said, I think we're going to go ahead on

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Speaker 1: out of here. That wasn't a coherent sentence, wasn't. It

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Speaker 1: was just like you've been reading great, Uh yeah, nothing,

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Speaker 1: I'm nothing here by Hey, guys, you want to see

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Speaker 1: that really cool wig that I got from the Pink

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Speaker 1: Floyd concert. Yeah, we have hair again. Let's do it cool.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye,