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Speaker 1: Wake that airs up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy and Ngula Yee, Charlomagne the guy.

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Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests

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Speaker 1: in the best. You gotta do better than that. You

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Speaker 1: come on now, come on, come on now, come on now,

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Speaker 1: come on now, come on now. Your husband got I

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Speaker 1: gotta start like this. Okay, this is a fun fact. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The reason I went to Hampton University was because of

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Speaker 1: me watching a different world. How many times do y'all

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Speaker 1: hear that? At least half a dozen dozen a week?

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Speaker 1: Did you graduate? You can got. My first celebrity picture

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Speaker 1: I ever took with was with Kde Madison Tomorrow. We

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Speaker 1: were in the airport and you had the flip up

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Speaker 1: glasses and everything. My mom took a picture in the airport.

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Speaker 1: Was hunt a thousand pounds old you? I was young.

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Speaker 1: We was coming back from Florida. He must have just

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Speaker 1: gotten the job. Yeah, not real, a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: they were the flip they were just round. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: picture tomorrow, remember I remember. Sure that wasn't Jeff Man

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Speaker 1: gonna send me the picture? I'm posted, Thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: glad to be I know this might be an odd question,

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Speaker 1: but do y'all know what y'all mean to just people?

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Speaker 1: It's black people becoming more and more apparent as we

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Speaker 1: get older. As Yeah, like at first, no, in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety six when we were done, and probably the next

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Speaker 1: ten years not as much. But then after twenty years

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Speaker 1: and you think that's dead. You go somewhere and you

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Speaker 1: see somebody and their eyes jump out of their head

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Speaker 1: and they almost like the Kingdoms of the Moon that

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Speaker 1: they got, and they're like, Wow, it's you. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to be engineered because you went to Hampton. I went

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Speaker 1: to I wanted to go to him, and I was

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Speaker 1: trying to find out where the school was. So it's

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Speaker 1: becoming clearer and clearer as we get older. But um,

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Speaker 1: but no, at the time, it's it's very moving to

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Speaker 1: me now. But at the time, um, both of us

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Speaker 1: were you know, we were from New York where you

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Speaker 1: used to hustling. We had just done school days. We

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Speaker 1: were kind of like, okay, now what now? What? Now what?

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Speaker 1: And um, I don't know that we knew how the

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Speaker 1: show was resonating with our people because we were not.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't around my people. I was in La and

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Speaker 1: I went from Melrose to the Valley and back to Melrose,

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Speaker 1: and the only people I hung out with with them,

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Speaker 1: you know, so I wasn't hearing it. I wasn't seeing it.

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Speaker 1: And coming from theater, you know, you know when you

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Speaker 1: when you hit, when you land, you know when when

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Speaker 1: you are having a communication and Um, what has been

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Speaker 1: amazing to me is that, you know, we were always

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Speaker 1: trying to make things better, make things more believable, have

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Speaker 1: what was landing. I wasn't, you know, because when we talked, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, actor to actor, Kadeem and I really worked

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Speaker 1: hard on that relationship because if you look at the

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Speaker 1: first season. In the second season, I was like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know why why Whitley were like Dwayne based on

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Speaker 1: what I was older, I was upper classroom to him,

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Speaker 1: been dreaming about some seniors that I would like to cast.

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Speaker 1: But you know how much input did you both have

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Speaker 1: in some of the topics and themes that were on

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Speaker 1: a different world, because you guys did cover a lot

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Speaker 1: of real life things that you didn't see anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: They pretty much. Uh, Debbie came and she had a plan.

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Speaker 1: But do you remember that she made us right our

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Speaker 1: what we saw ourselves in five years or something like that.

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Speaker 1: We had we had homework and we had to all

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Speaker 1: of what we saw ourselves for our characters, what we

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Speaker 1: We were very clear, you know. The the what Debbie

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Speaker 1: did was she made our characters deeper and more realistic.

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Speaker 1: She snatched all the weaves out of my hand, even

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Speaker 1: though I have one on. She was like she came

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Speaker 1: or you know, a big university. Because you are loved,

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Speaker 1: And that came through in the way she worked with us.

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Speaker 1: firing people. But also also the show also also the

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Speaker 1: well I thought that the show just wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: that show, you know, and our characters, at least mine

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Speaker 1: am I going to contrast? Or or you know how

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Speaker 1: how was Whitley gonna be funny by herself? There was?

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Speaker 1: She was the Mary Tyler Moore, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And I didn't understand that structural change in putting us

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Speaker 1: But we knew each other, and I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: first of all like his big sister. So it felt

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Speaker 1: a little incestuous crush on you that first mention. You

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Speaker 1: mel But the thing was we were friends and we

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Speaker 1: did have good communication. We could talk. I had better

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Speaker 1: communication with him than most of my relationships. There's no pressure.

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Speaker 1: We've I'll tell you the bad, he tell you the good.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what a lot. I was gonna ask was

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Speaker 1: it difficult to stay on TV? Because at the time,

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Speaker 1: there was nothing like this on television, nothing about HBCU,

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Speaker 1: nothing about colleges. Was it difficult to stay on television?

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Speaker 1: I thought the first season was difficult. I really took

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Speaker 1: dud and go back to New York, New York. It

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Speaker 1: was shot in La. Yeah, they shot in La. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: y'all made me feel like y'all shot in Virginia on campus,

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Speaker 1: a disconnection too, because Californians they never heard of HBCUs. Now,

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Speaker 1: I grew up across the street from Morehouse. I'm from Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: So it was as right as rain to me. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: have gone to college, right, all going after these of

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Speaker 1: got out of high school. I had to do summer

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Speaker 1: go to summer school on fourteen Street, Like there was

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Speaker 1: that when you was messing up in your high school,

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Speaker 1: they sent you out someone. Why did the show? And

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Speaker 1: I remember that and the ninety three yall went on

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Speaker 1: stuff that maybe the network wasn't as thrilled about. It

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Speaker 1: treating us like monkeys and we're not monkeys. We're not

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Speaker 1: that we had they diminished. I felt diminished because they

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Speaker 1: always said, but you come between Cosby and Cheers. I said,

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Speaker 1: but people can change the channel, right, they don't have

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Speaker 1: to watch this show. Yeah. Yeah. I just felt like

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Speaker 1: part of that Hollywood system. Like I would watch Roseanne

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Speaker 1: Bar getting was like, I was like, is this cable whatever?

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Speaker 1: You want to go stupid? You know. I would see

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Speaker 1: people that were like the way we were an ensemble

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Speaker 1: So I always felt the exclusion. I always felt it,

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Speaker 1: us shoot the cast. That's okay. You can't put too

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Speaker 1: that was my family, that was my company. But you know,

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Speaker 1: they used to ask me to do stuff for NBC

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Speaker 1: like parades and shit and say happy birthday to cheers.

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Speaker 1: I say, why am I seeing happy birthday to day

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Speaker 1: black people on the I'm getting paid for what stage? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have a stuff that you're scared that you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be stuck in character like that. Everybody always looked at

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Speaker 1: is you know Whitley. You know when you're ever scared

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Speaker 1: of that type getting type cast. I knew that as

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Speaker 1: soon as it was over. Well, I thought that I

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Speaker 1: should have did four years and graduated and maybe a

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Speaker 1: fifth year to transition into new cast members, new freshmen,

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Speaker 1: and then and then they should have did four five

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Speaker 1: in transit. So in my eyes, the show should have

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Speaker 1: never ended. It should still be on now not reruns.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because it could be yeah, like how it

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Speaker 1: it could just always go on because they'll always be

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Speaker 1: kids in college and they'll always be something to talk about, right,

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Speaker 1: Like Whitley graduates, but you're still there, and then people

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Speaker 1: are coming in underneathy, and then you graduate and then

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Speaker 1: the people you introduce. It just seemed like a perfect

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Speaker 1: vehicle to create young to showcase black talent. You know,

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Speaker 1: what didn't be said about typecasting is true, but also

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Speaker 1: man that that late eighties early nineties fame was so

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Speaker 1: big that we know y'all real names. Yea, Like I

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Speaker 1: don't just know y'all characters. I know that Jackman guy

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Speaker 1: and could Deem Hardeston's I think that means something too.

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Speaker 1: What about Marissa till May right, that's the one white

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Speaker 1: character on the show. Was that something that you feel

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Speaker 1: like they said we got to put a white person,

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Speaker 1: So I was just nervous as my first directing gig,

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00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: just like, okay, I just hope he's and once he came,

424
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: he was. I always thought it's not not a hot take,

425
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: but I always thought he was probably going to be

426
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: a better actor than rapper. Yeah, I didn't. You know,

427
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: music is subjective like blah blah blah. You like it

428
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: or you don't know, or it fits what you where

429
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: you are in the time of your life. I just

430
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: he scared me. As an actor. I was like, this

431
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: dude can reach places that I can't even imagine because eyes,

432
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: you know how they always talk about actors. You can

433
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: see what they can do by looking in their eyes,

434
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: like podcast in mine. Look at him, go, Jamine, aren't

435
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: you working on a documentary? Yes, they're doing a movie

436
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: about his mother. And I wrote the book Evolution of

437
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: a Revolutionary about a fanny. Um, it's just interesting. If

438
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: you stay here long enough, you'll see how interesting life is.

439
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: Because when I wrote that book, like you know, twenty

440
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: years ago. Whatever. It was really to empower a Faeney

441
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: because I felt like, you know, how would somebody do

442
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: good in your family? And then they bring the whole

443
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: family with him And I just saw this BOYD twenty one,

444
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: like with all these people, like, what are you doing?

445
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: How come you ain't working? Wait? You in school? I

446
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: was just so middle class. Okay when I met the

447
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: Shaker Cox family, and I would I would just talk

448
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: to them one on one and just try to find

449
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: out where they were because I didn't I mean, if

450
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 1: I had gotten a different world and my whole family

451
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: was depending on me too, you know what I mean.

452
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: I never knew that pressure. And when I talked to

453
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: a Faeny First of all, I always wanted to tell

454
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: the story of a email panther because I feel like

455
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: all the movies that I've seen have been biased, I

456
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: mean because they don't tell the truth about the I

457
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: know you were in one, you know, yeah, but how

458
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: macho and how you know sexist? Yeah, the misogyny was rampant.

459
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: That was the era too, though, Like that's that whole era.

460
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it hasn't been told that, you know,

461
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, can we tell aside of shakur story?

462
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: Can we of, you know, doing Angela Davis? Can we

463
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: do Kathleen Clever? And when I met Tupac, I didn't

464
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: want to say, oh, I can't wait to meet your mom,

465
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: So I didn't um But and I didn't really realize

466
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: her story because it was all the newspaper. It was.

467
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: There wasn't any Lenny your story about her. Anyway, I

468
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: started talking to her about telling her story and doing

469
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: speaking engagements on her own. Right. She's highly intelligent, and

470
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that's how it started. And I ended

471
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: up writing the book because she didn't want to talk

472
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: to nobody else. I mean, after we had done all

473
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: those interviews and stuff. She was like then. And then

474
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: there was a lot going on with Tupac. And when

475
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: I met him, I met him four months before he

476
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: was shot. Then he healed, then he went to jail,

477
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: then he came out, then he had shot again, you

478
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so I just put it

479
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: on the back burner. But a Pheney's story is incredible,

480
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: and she wanted to talk more about her life than

481
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: the Panther movement, because that's like from nineteen to twenty one,

482
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: she wanted to talk about crack, she wanted to talk

483
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: about her recovery, she wanted to talk about, um, you know,

484
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: raising her two kids. And you know, I don't know,

485
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: so I wanted to ask y'all man, you know, I

486
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: often feel spoiled because I'm forty four. So you know,

487
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: like in the mid eighties, we saw black sitcoms like

488
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: The Jeffersons and Different Strokes, but then you know, the

489
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Cosby's came in two, two sevens in Different Worlds. But

490
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: I feel like all of that just came to a

491
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: abrupt end, like towards the end of the nineties. Number one.

492
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that was the renaissance for black TV?

493
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: And do you think there was something bigger at play

494
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: to stop all of those positive images of black people

495
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: on TV? It only seems that like if it walks

496
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: like a duck and it quacks like a duck. Um,

497
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't have any evidence to support it except for

498
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: the optics. So yeah, I do think it was our

499
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: last season number two, number one. Sometimes Colby in a

500
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: different world for five, six, seven years. Okay, why would

501
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: you put why would you change our time slot? And

502
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: why would you put us again against Martin? Wow? Yeah,

503
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: I definitely took that personally. You ain't got but two

504
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: black shows on the networks, and you put us at

505
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: the same time against each other, And what have we done?

506
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: What have we done to deserve this kind of disservice?

507
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: You know, we're not competing with Martin. We come under

508
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: eight thirty, they come on at eight. Why did you

509
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: move us? That was detriment? That because Cosby show ended,

510
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: and didn't they put y'all up at eight because Cobby

511
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: was deleting. Okay, so that could have been it just

512
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: strong enough. We weren't strong enough to hold another time

513
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: slot and not against Martin. Yeah, my fact. I feel

514
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: like we have the same audience, and so what do

515
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: white people do divide? That's right, that's right, that's right.

516
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: You and you. You got two hit shows, Let's put

517
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: them on at this same time. They don't do that

518
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: to their own shows. So, yes, I do feel like

519
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: it was deliberate. I feel like it was racist. I

520
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: know who was running NBC at the time, and I

521
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: don't feel we were respected m because I feel like

522
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: I feel like they always said y'all came between Cosby

523
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: and Cheers, and that's why you're number two. They said

524
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: that to my face. I did, Dennis, um, Yes, so

525
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: what was chips? Was chips three? I don't know? Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay,

526
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: all right, he was they were three. So they thought

527
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: it was because of the network that these shows were

528
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: having all the success because as a time slot between

529
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: one and three, we gotta be between one and three. Yeah,

530
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: which is fine, right, I really don't care, you know,

531
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: but that you make that a point that I come

532
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: on a nighttime talk show with Joan Rivers or Dennis

533
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: Miller and that's the first thing after your mouth, well

534
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: how does it feel to be between Cosby and Cheers?

535
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: And and sometimes I didn't I didn't know how to

536
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: answer it. And Dennis Miller even said to me that

537
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: was that was a horrible lead, Yes, because you fucking

538
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: insulted me and you acting like I'm the ship, which

539
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: one of mine, you know, because people would have turned

540
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: off right after the Cosby Show and not watch that

541
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: or Cheers? Did they pay y'all like y'all wanted to didy,

542
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: I'll get paid? Or did you have to fight for that?

543
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: We had to fight for that. I went and did

544
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: I went, And the White Man can't jump can I

545
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: have another champion something good stuff. I went and did

546
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: White Man Can't Jump and met Body Harrelson and and

547
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: he was doing cheers and they had a way bigger ensemble,

548
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: and you know, he kind of let me in on

549
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: what he was making. I was like, y'all, number three,

550
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: what I know. That's when it hurts. It's when we

551
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: go when we talked word up. We went out into

552
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: the field and found out the cheers they were. I

553
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: was like, how he had an assistant all kind of

554
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: chick going on. I was like, where you get, Like

555
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: you just came off the bike in New York. But

556
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm confused about that because you had Bill Cosby, who

557
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: already had so much success. Why wouldn't he give that

558
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: game to the spinoff show the He purposely had us

559
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: shoot in California away from him. I don't think he

560
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: wanted to have to shoulder. He was running. He was

561
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: running this this was it boom, y'all go over here

562
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: and work that out. And then when it wasn't working

563
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: to the way I think we all wanted called the

564
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: Debbian said miss then getting in with your broom and

565
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: clean that shit up. It seemed like she was a

566
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: blessing though. Absolutely, no, No, she was the best thing

567
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 1: that could have happened to us. That show was Dad. Yeah,

568
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: that show was on that show and Susan fails. I mean,

569
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: we had brilliant women running that show, turning out around,

570
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: fighting against the network, fighting for you know, she said,

571
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: where's the dark skinned people at this school? Where's the

572
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: brown people? You can't it? I don't know. I just

573
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: thought that first season, I already had called my parents.

574
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I've made um, I've made thirty

575
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and I paid off Greg and I'm paying

576
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: off my Amax and I'm going back to my apartment

577
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: because I thought that ship was Booty got paid during

578
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: the table, y'all was number one and number two. Can

579
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: we say thirty years ago? I thought you I thought

580
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: I saw you say that somewhere. I thought I saw

581
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: I think he was with Ryan Cameron or I saw

582
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: you said somewhere miss guy. You know Ryan, Yeah, radio legion,

583
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: of course, I like you radio people. I saw you

584
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: say that somewhere. How much y'all made? It was the

585
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: first season. I made thousand dollars a week. I mean

586
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: that was I was like, that was what dollars at

587
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: the Village Game. I didn't have any compny games. Yeah,

588
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, I had done. When I did Broadway as

589
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: an ensemble member, I made eight hundred dollars a week.

590
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: That was a lot of money. When I did Fame

591
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: the TV show, I was making seven hundred and fifty

592
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: dollars a week. And when I worked when they Danced

593
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: with Ali's, I made seventy five dollars a week. This year,

594
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: I just thought, he but we only had contracts for

595
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: seven episode. You didn't know how lot it was gonna last. No,

596
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: and they were firing people to sign years before you that.

597
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah no. But I went into the producers and I

598
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: tried to give my two week notice, right she. I said,

599
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for this. And because that that first season,

600
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it was whack. And I didn't like

601
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: the way they were treat treating Lisa bon name. And

602
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: they said, well have they said, had so and so

603
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: said anything to you? I said, you disrespect her in

604
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: front of the audience in front of me. You disrespected

605
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: me too. Just do it just all up in her face.

606
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm like, that's a sweet girl, because

607
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: you're not getting up on me like that, and you

608
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: know we've that with bitches. I mean we from New

609
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: York as far as choreographers and directors and whatnot. But

610
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I didn't interfere on set,

611
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh no, oh no, you're not

612
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: treating her like that. She had dire security really, so

613
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: that's why she quit. Probably no because wanted her to

614
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: be on because you didn't want to show black girl

615
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: pregnant in college that I thought it would have been

616
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: a great UM tool and something to it could inspire,

617
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: because it was all inspiring, So why not, you know,

618
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: because that's the real thing. Still get your education. As

619
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: I've heard so many rumors that I don't know where

620
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: what comes from. I've heard that he wanted to incorporate

621
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: it on the show on our show. I've also heard

622
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: that Jesse wanted to um have a single mom because

623
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: he's from a single mom that went through school. And

624
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: then I've also heard that UM that was a network

625
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: that didn't want to incorporate her wholesome whatever. But first

626
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: of all, it was have given her something to play, absolutely,

627
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: because I felt like they were always looking for Denise huckstaball,

628
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: you're not using the meat that she comes from. You

629
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: don't know what you're looking at because you haven't seen

630
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: a little black girl like this before. And to give

631
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: her a baby, you go something to do and it

632
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: would have helped the jalsaccount ye, and then your ass

633
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: would have been human have been messing with you. You

634
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: you gotta go back to when you quit, so you

635
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: quite They didn't tell me. They didn't tell me that

636
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't quit, but you know, come back to mo

637
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: No see you in the morning. I had grievances, so

638
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: as I was quitting, I was also expressing my grievances

639
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: and they listened to those, and then he asked me

640
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: if I had any insight to such and such. I

641
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: said no, no, not really, Like I just want to

642
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: go back to New York and get another job. Is

643
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: what's such story up to? Yaw, y'all got more money too, though,

644
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: How do you end up getting the more money after

645
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: the conversation with Woody Housing? Uh? Yeah, it was it

646
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: was hold out time for me. It was we held

647
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: out yeah as a team. Boy. No, we should have

648
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: done it together, but we did it separately. Sometimes I

649
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: was the last one and it was like the reading

650
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: and all this drama, and I'm like, why do I

651
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: have to do this? It is very degrading. It's very degrading.

652
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: And then you know other actors that aren't going to

653
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: that bullshit. I'm like, yeah, I remember, I remember sitting

654
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: at home playing sick, like, I'm sorry, Debbie, I can't

655
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: get I'm not gonna make it. He was taking COVID

656
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: all those years ago. I'm not gonna be able to come. Yeah. Yeah.

657
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I said, and I think I think

658
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: Jasmine is sick too, And she said, Darling, Jasmine is here.

659
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn it, yeah codate and had

660
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: to get on and get in my car and drive

661
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: the work late like yeah, I'm better now. But y'all

662
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: oventually got the money though, Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, I

663
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: mean got some we got the money I got. I

664
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: got what wood he was making when I talked to

665
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: him up. There was your mom in the business at

666
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: this point. She was my manager. She was okay, so

667
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: all the time she was managing Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

668
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: I taught her. She says, not me, power of no.

669
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: You know. She was like, I think you should go

670
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: back in. I was like, no, not for that, not

671
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: for this. Okay because fierce. Okay, yeah that's yeah. Yeah.

672
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: I was yeah, she'll say that right there. I learned

673
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: about the power of no, and you knew your worth

674
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: and wouldn't go in and take less than this. And

675
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, we got a contract. I

676
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: don't know how we're gonna get out. We notice you

677
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: have to get fired. I guess yeah, right, that's the

678
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: only way you know, they can fire you, right, Yeah?

679
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, that set someone breaking up with you, right,

680
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: you have to make them break up. Yeah, you gotta

681
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: be bad guys. But y'all, I have a callback and

682
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: they give me a paper like a contract like this, right,

683
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm just signing it. I look at how much I'm

684
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: gonna make that six thousands, right, I was like, oh,

685
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: you know, and I haven't gotten the job yet, right right.

686
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: This is the other thing. Yeah, it's my car back.

687
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: So they put me in one room and the other

688
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: girl in another room. They said, one of you are

689
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: going home and one of you going to the reading. Yes,

690
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: the table read who's the other girl? I am not.

691
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: I am not calling that girl's name. Of course I

692
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: remember her. She's still around. I don't know anything big

693
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: in the movie world. TV World. I don't know. Okay,

694
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: I want to ask y'all about I'm blind. I want

695
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: to ask about Black Love, right because Dwayne and Whitley

696
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: set the tone for black love for what seemed like

697
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: that whole generation show. Seen the show, yes, he was, Okay,

698
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see it. Yeah, I love that show. Oh,

699
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: I wish I had seen that show before I got married.

700
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: But I want to ask about that though playing those

701
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: roles of Dwayne and Willy teach y'all anything about your

702
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: own relationships outside of the show. Wow, really good question,

703
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: Charlotte Mayne. There was some crossover because I was having

704
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: a better sometimes I was having a better relationship that

705
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: was scripted than in my real life, and other times

706
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to negotiate real life. Like it

707
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: was one thing to be able to play something that

708
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,959
Speaker 1: someone tells you to do and you know, and he's

709
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: easy to love and easy to work with. But um,

710
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: I kind of I don't know. I feel like I

711
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: was a bit of a mess in my real relationship.

712
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: But I been taught to him because I didn't understand

713
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: the language. I didn't understand um ultimatums and um men speak,

714
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: and I don't know. And you know, I got famous

715
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: during during the relationship too, and I felt like he

716
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: was good with me as a dancer in the ensemble,

717
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: but not so good with me and star. And then

718
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: and then that I again was like, well, you weren't

719
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: listening to me. You didn't know who I was. You know,

720
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: you don't know if somebody gets famous or not, but

721
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: certainly you knew that I was talented. Certainly there's a

722
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: possibility and you can't handle that. What am I? What

723
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do with that? First of all,

724
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: I have a daddy and I have friends, male friends.

725
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: You're not the only You're not, you know, the only

726
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: male figure in my life. And if you're not happy,

727
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: you should lead physic insecurities. So and then I'm playing Whitley,

728
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: who's younger than me. I mean, her her age is

729
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: in her twenties and I'm in my thirties, you know.

730
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: And Okay, for example, I'll just say this, when we

731
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: got married, When Joyn and Whitley got married, I was

732
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: breaking up with my boyfriend of five years. Wow. Wow.

733
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: And the irony of that was like people were coming

734
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: up to me talking about congratulate. How do you feel

735
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: how you nervous. I'm not any more nervous than I

736
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: have been for less six years on this. Get a

737
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: lot of nervous today you get married. You do understand

738
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: its acting that I'm not really getting married, that this

739
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: ain't the drash right the producer something, Oh my god,

740
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: are you nervous? You're like, no, let's go already. And

741
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: you never tried to really highlight her when when she

742
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: lost her Man and y'all were so close and so tight.

743
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: You never never cross the line that I was in

744
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: love with that's right, Yeah, yeah, and they were best friends.

745
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: That would look now, guy, how did the impact you

746
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: off the air? Like having that that that? Yeah, it was.

747
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: It was strange. It was like it was too much

748
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: fun to pretend to be in love with. Yeah, it

749
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: was just it was too much of a joy. Um

750
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: the relationships off screen, it was Cree pretty much most

751
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: of the time we worked, and then then we broke up,

752
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: and and and as um as she was breaking up

753
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: with me giving me the ring back and was getting

754
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: ready to run off and messed with Joe Morton's character,

755
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: Cree and I had kind of broke up. Damn, what

756
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: if they had written to the script that now you

757
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: increase characters gotta be together after y'all she was with

758
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: Gary Dordan. Yeah yeah, I was like, I was like

759
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: one of the first yeah yeah yeah. So so the

760
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: only difficulty and the whole thing for me was was,

761
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: you know, having to go to work and having your

762
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: ex kind of be there. And I think people think

763
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: that we bleed in and out of reality and truth,

764
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's because I never thought about none of that, right,

765
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: I never thought about dumb draftsman. I mean, I don't

766
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: even think about that. Okay, who I need to be

767
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: right now? Boom, and my real life is more important

768
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: to me than any of these bitches I play. Okay,

769
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 1: So when people feed into this fantasy like oh, he's

770
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: with Cree, So I'm not kind of talk it. That

771
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: don't happen when we off camera. We off camera, when

772
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: we on camera. Let me tell you, everybody on that

773
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: show was good. Good. That's the key too, That's right,

774
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: Daryl Bell, Lou Myers, Glenn Turman, Peddla Bell, Sean now

775
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We were not passing the

776
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: ball to other amateurs, That's right, y'all. The nineties bulls

777
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: talk and I don't think actors, you know, sometimes they're

778
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: so uptight that they don't want to talk and they

779
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: don't want to get notes from other people or whatever.

780
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: But okay, let me tell you one thing that Cadeen

781
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: told me. I was in makeup and then I was

782
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: in the middle of doing this scene with Joe Morton.

783
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: First of all, he was pissed because I had a

784
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: rule with him that we don't kiss until it's time

785
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: to film. Time to take. You don't need to kiss

786
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: him all week. I mean, you don't have to pack

787
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: the snow kiss, right, And so to Morting comes on

788
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: and he kisses me for real and rehearsal. But I

789
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: was taking a back, you know, because he said, I know,

790
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: I know, you just Joe Morton taking his tongue down.

791
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: You're I said, I didn't know what to say. You

792
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: don't used to yes, right, And then then we're filming.

793
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: We're filming just like a Thursday, and you you pop in.

794
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm in makeup and I say, um, something's wrong with

795
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: the scene. You know, there's it just it just I

796
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: don't know it wasn't He said, y'all need to go

797
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: to the life the laboratory gets some chemistry. Wow, I

798
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: looked at him like yeah, yeah, it was like good luck.

799
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, work on it. You ain't got

800
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: no chemistry, that's what's wrong. I thought it was gonna

801
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: give me a note like if you sit on his lap,

802
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: you know. No, he was like, y'all need to go

803
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: to the laboratory and get some chemistry. Y'all have in

804
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: chemistry or did y'all have to like spend time together

805
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: offset to build that up? Um? I think I think

806
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: the chemistry act the actor was instant, but to really,

807
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: um make the love story true, it was work because

808
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: I was ultra respectful of Dominic her relationship and create

809
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: my relationship, so I wasn't really trying to, you know,

810
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: go for it. Yeah. She came one day after rehearsal

811
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: kind of like she could have with Joe but didn't,

812
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: and said, this scene isn't working, Honey. When I come

813
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: in the room, you have to act like you like me.

814
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: And I was being ultra respectful, trying to keep everything

815
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: out in front, and I didn't understand, and she said, okay,

816
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: hold on, you beat me and I'm gonna beat you.

817
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: So then I played with Lee for that little scene

818
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: and she played Duayne and she came in the room

819
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: with a whole different energy. I was like, okay, so

820
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: go for it. It was like, if you're gonna be

821
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: my man, if I'm gonna be your girl, and then

822
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: it's got to be that way. It's the only way

823
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. And I'm like, you can't. Gotta tell

824
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: me twice And that was it. And then from there,

825
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: I think the relationship just got more real, more authentic,

826
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: and connected to people on a whole other way. I

827
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 1: was able to touch it anyway, getting her face anyway,

828
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: get mad at her and pointer anyway, and I love it. Yeah, yeah, right,

829
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: I know y'all gotta go, But I gotta ask this.

830
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, when you crashed away, you looked very sincere,

831
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: like like like that's why people feel like what who

832
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: we was watching was real real, you know what I mean?

833
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: What did you do to motivate yourself to get into

834
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: that space to do that? Um? I didn't agree with

835
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: the whole like we had done so many real things

836
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: on the show, so many things that were that were

837
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: that felt real. That that from the Age and the

838
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 1: Apotheid and all of that for me to cray actually

839
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: this wedding, like this felt like a complete leap, didn't

840
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: make any sense. So and I read it two weeks before.

841
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: It was a two part episode, so I knew for

842
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Speaker 1: two weeks that I was gonna have to get to

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Speaker 1: that place where I had to break up this wedding.

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Speaker 1: And it was really hard. And one thing I gave

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Speaker 1: I gave myself was as I'm coming down the aisle,

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Speaker 1: there's a dude on my left I told him, I said,

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Speaker 1: when you grabbed me, make sure you get a good

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Speaker 1: grip on my left arm because I want to struggle

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Speaker 1: and try to get away. Wow. And as soon as

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Speaker 1: I felt him go to grab me, I gave him

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Speaker 1: a swim move and got out of it and that

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Speaker 1: propelled me forward. So it just kind of and then

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Speaker 1: he had to regrab I made him look silly, but

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Speaker 1: he had to regrab me and then pull me out,

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Speaker 1: and I lost the lyrics. Like I was so um,

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Speaker 1: I was so no, no no, I was so nervous

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Speaker 1: about if I don't get it right the first time,

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Speaker 1: it's going to degrade, it's gonna get worse, and it's

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Speaker 1: gonna get worse because I'm really having a hard time

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Speaker 1: committing to all of these words. Wow, I'm really I

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Speaker 1: don't believe it. Kadeem doesn't believe it. Dwayne has to

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Speaker 1: believe it. So I have to kind of put myself there.

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Speaker 1: And that had never been a problem before. I could

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Speaker 1: always just put myself there and go for it. And

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, I didn't buy it. So um.

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Speaker 1: Once I, you know, was getting dragged out and lost

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Speaker 1: the lyric, I panicked and I and I knew that

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Speaker 1: her cue was will you. I'm supposed to run down

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Speaker 1: all the valves and say will you, which is what

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Speaker 1: the preacher has and then she said I do, but

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Speaker 1: I got lost in the lyric and uh and just

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Speaker 1: yelled out, baby please, just because I was drowning. I

873
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Speaker 1: was like, fuck, I'm just like, we're gonna have to

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00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: do this again and again and again, and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: get worse every time and it will never be like that.

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Speaker 1: That was the first and only take in front of

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Speaker 1: that audience. That audience lost it. Were you were aware

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Speaker 1: that he was drowning in the time? How did you

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Speaker 1: know I was standing there because the audience was screaming too,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I was like, hold it, hold it,

881
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: I said, baby please. And then the second please it

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Speaker 1: was like jazz. Yeah. I knew that. I knew that

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Speaker 1: was jazz because please, baby, please, from from school day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, wow, okay, I got you help

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Speaker 1: me and we are not doing this shit again. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it was like that first day. Yeah nothing magic, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: became over you said you said that became over the

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Speaker 1: loudspeaker because the director is up in the booth and

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Speaker 1: so we can't see her directly. We can only hear

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Speaker 1: her when she gives notes or she'd give him to

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Speaker 1: the stage manager and he'll come a whisper something to us.

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Speaker 1: But she came over after everybody they calmed down, she said,

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Speaker 1: got it moving on? Wow. Yeah, I think what a relief. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So you don't want to do that again because of

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Speaker 1: the the emotional bill that was in there. But both

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Speaker 1: of us thought that ship was corny. No, no, well,

897
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Speaker 1: he complained, I didn't even know you had all that

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Speaker 1: that you said to them before, because I complained, I said,

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Speaker 1: please don't do the graduate Are we doing the graduate

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Speaker 1: up in the year? I don't know all I felt

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Speaker 1: it was disrespectful, you know, and and and I've I've

902
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Speaker 1: spoken that Spellman and those girls were like you know

903
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Speaker 1: that's that wasn't a compliment for him to come up

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Speaker 1: there at the last minute the night before you at

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Speaker 1: your mama's house. And if it had been me in

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Speaker 1: my real life and you came up in my mama's house,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then the next day you object no

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Speaker 1: too late. When they asked the question at the way,

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Speaker 1: and they do say if anybody disagrees with just yea

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Speaker 1: and coming to her coming to her mama's house was

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Speaker 1: my idea. I told the writers. They were like, well,

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Speaker 1: how can't we make it better for you? How can

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Speaker 1: you make it for better for you? And I said,

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Speaker 1: here's what I would do. Yeah, I would go the

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Speaker 1: night before and say, hey, if you really feel this, like,

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Speaker 1: we could jump this fence and get out of here

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Speaker 1: and then I'll never see us and I ain't gotta

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Speaker 1: do all of this wildness, you know, tomorrow. So that

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Speaker 1: was me saying to the writers, give me, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is what I would rather do, and they was like,

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Speaker 1: you can do that, but you still gotta go and

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Speaker 1: do this. Yeah. And that's why that part one it's

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Speaker 1: more real to me than that opened the door. I know.

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Speaker 1: I was like it was like yeah, because I was

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Speaker 1: like really, yeah, really, they gotta go guys. Okay, see

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Speaker 1: one I tested on Saturday on Saturday four, Yes, marathon,

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Speaker 1: We'll be there yapping away in between joints. However, they

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Speaker 1: cut it up. We went and did a little sit

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Speaker 1: down with them and uh and just talked. Oh and

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Speaker 1: I'm on Amazon. Did you go um harlem? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: played Grace fires Mom okay um, And I'm a Jamaican

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Speaker 1: bitch so it's funny. And then yeah, I've been I

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Speaker 1: played Jamaican many times. Okay, okay, okay, I've been a

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Speaker 1: dance girl. Okay, Hey, I can't make my booty do

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Speaker 1: one at the time. And then I have a movie

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Speaker 1: called The Lady Makers. It's on Amazon too, The Lady

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Speaker 1: Makers Demon. We love y'all, and we value y'all, and

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Speaker 1: we appreciate no hip hop. I know next time time,

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Speaker 1: let me come back. Absolutely, you got the mf dom

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Speaker 1: joining you got trying to try. It was like we

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Speaker 1: got the same watching we got hip hop. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what those things. Okay, well it's the breakfast class. Hey.

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Speaker 1: We love, we love y'all, we value y'all, we appreciate y'all,

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Speaker 1: we celebrate y'all always man. Thank you for every contribution

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Speaker 1: to the culture that y'all have ever made, and it

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Speaker 1: was a pleasure to meet both. For you, it's the

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Speaker 1: breakfast