Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: All about that high school drama girl drama, girl, all
Speaker 2: about them.
Speaker 3: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride, and
Speaker 3: our comic girl sharing for the right teams. Drama Queens,
Speaker 3: Jlie's my girl, up girl fashion, but your tough girl,
Speaker 3: you could sit with us.
Speaker 2: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.
Speaker 4: Can I begin this episode with a personal announcement, yes please, yes, Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: as of last week, it's official, I have officially caught
Speaker 4: one tree Hill fever. Yeah, Here's how it went down.
Speaker 3: Is it plaguing you while you sleep? Tell us what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 4: It's kind of all consuming. What happened is I wasn't
Speaker 4: available for episode seven oh six, so Sof and Janet
Speaker 4: did that one. And what that meant for me was
Speaker 4: though I got to watch the episode just as a viewer,
Speaker 4: I don't have to take any notes, I gotta tell
Speaker 4: you I loved it.
Speaker 3: I had so much fun.
Speaker 4: I laughed at myself. I was like shushing Jenny, like quiet.
Speaker 4: It's getting really tense between Clay and Quinn, Like I
Speaker 4: was so emotionally invested and I laughed, I went there
Speaker 4: it is. I caught it.
Speaker 3: I caught now you know why?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I already got it, but now I can say
Speaker 4: it's it's in my blood.
Speaker 3: I love that. I'm on board. I'm on board. We
Speaker 3: gotta get now, we just have to get you. I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess this is good for a late night. If
Speaker 3: you're up late for some reason, you can you can
Speaker 3: watch all the episodes that you weren't in so you
Speaker 3: can really catch up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have that kind of free time these days, Joy,
Speaker 4: I plan on watching five season, six seasons of the show.
Speaker 6: Absolutely. I mean just the fact that you know it's
Speaker 6: so easy for you to record this show that you
Speaker 6: don't even have to leave your home. I know, you
Speaker 6: don't have to go to a hotel.
Speaker 4: No, no, guys, I am swimming in free time these days.
Speaker 4: So yes, absolutely, Robi, we got some we got some
Speaker 4: stuff to talk about it.
Speaker 6: Oh, we have a lot to talk about. But before
Speaker 6: we move on from your Rob Buckley's hotel adventures, I
Speaker 6: did want to save for the friends at home who
Speaker 6: can't see you. I noticed that today you're in a
Speaker 6: room with only one bed instead of two, and it
Speaker 6: looks as though you have a kitchenette. What's going on
Speaker 6: at the front desk of the local hotel? Are they like,
Speaker 6: have they caught on that this is where you work
Speaker 6: now and now they're upgrading your features? Or was this
Speaker 6: just like a surprise today?
Speaker 4: You tell me I was wondering the same thing, right,
Speaker 4: because here's the deal. I gained a kitchenette, but I
Speaker 4: lost a bed. So either they've realized I might be
Speaker 4: a big fish, or they're like, this guy can have
Speaker 4: the dregs and they just threw me in the last
Speaker 4: room they had. I like to think I got upgraded
Speaker 4: to a microwave.
Speaker 6: I think you got upgraded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you did too.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: They know you don't need two beds in there. You're
Speaker 3: not even using the one now figured out you're not
Speaker 3: bringing up a little uh side piece.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean listen, they didn't have to figure
Speaker 4: anything out. Remember last week I shouted that, like like
Speaker 4: an absolute psychopath, I don't use the beds. What this
Speaker 4: guy is not?
Speaker 6: Well, well, congratulations on your upgrade.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I can't I can't wait just to settle
Speaker 4: up with my microwave in a box of hot pockets
Speaker 4: and make it up.
Speaker 6: It's going to say popcorn man, Like, you should just
Speaker 6: be making popcorn for these episodes in that microwave every week.
Speaker 4: The audience would love listening to me chomping on popcorn
Speaker 4: throughout the entire episode too.
Speaker 6: Joy and I had to learn that lesson early on was.
Speaker 4: Will of you chewing gum?
Speaker 3: Because so fire our snackers?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we sort of assumed, like, well, they'll take
Speaker 6: the sounds of us eating out, and then our suite
Speaker 6: editors were like, you know, that's really complicated on a
Speaker 6: multi stream audio recording with like all these people, because
Speaker 6: there's people talking while you two were eating, and we were.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 6: Right, sorry about that.
Speaker 3: So we didn't notice until people started commenting. They were like,
Speaker 3: why are they eating and chewing in the microphone? It
Speaker 3: was a very gross sorry question.
Speaker 4: Wait, was this also at a time where you thought
Speaker 4: this might not live on on YouTube? So you thought
Speaker 4: maybe you were just kind of getting away with one
Speaker 4: or like, I don't.
Speaker 6: Know, if we're sitting and we're recording, it's breakfast time
Speaker 6: and we're all eating, that's one thing. But what I
Speaker 6: didn't realize was that when at least for me, when
Speaker 6: I do that, I would start to see the clips
Speaker 6: that were getting cut together for social and I was like,
Speaker 6: what is this the snack Olympics? Like how many things
Speaker 6: did I eat in fifty six minutes yesterday? I didn't
Speaker 6: even realize until it started to really get spliced together.
Speaker 6: It was like a montage food marathon.
Speaker 4: I don't mind it, though, because I think, first of all,
Speaker 4: as you know, I love snacks, and also it's a
Speaker 4: really fun conversation piece, Like yeah, just before we started recording,
Speaker 4: I said, hey, so far, is that a dried mango?
Speaker 6: I see you snacks mango chili lime. In fact, it
Speaker 6: is Robert Buckley, it is.
Speaker 4: It's fun. Food's fun.
Speaker 3: Food is fun when it's good. So fun, guys.
Speaker 6: I feel excited about our It's not a snack marathon,
Speaker 6: but we are doing a recording marathon today for our
Speaker 6: friends at home. The way our schedules have worked this week,
Speaker 6: we're actually going to get into episodes seven and eight
Speaker 6: of season seven, and the whiplash from intensity to pure comedy.
Speaker 6: I have experienced getting ready for today. I feel like
Speaker 6: you did Rob watching seven oh six. I have had
Speaker 6: the best time just I.
Speaker 5: Have been laughing.
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my god, we are funny. I'm really
Speaker 6: excited to get into this with you too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a good time. So all right, we
Speaker 3: have season seven, episode seven, I and Love and You.
Speaker 3: It's the title of an Avid Brothers song. Air date
Speaker 3: October twenty six, two thousand and nine. I was wondering,
Speaker 3: I was thinking, this feels like a Halloween episode. I
Speaker 3: bet this was October. Yeah. Dan brings Renee onto his
Speaker 3: television show, leaving Nathan and Haley powerless to stop him
Speaker 3: from revealing the truth her pregnancy to the world. Quinn
Speaker 3: examines what went wrong with David and Sarah and Clay
Speaker 3: discussed their past. Meanwhile, Brooke comes clean with Juliane about
Speaker 3: her true desires. And this episode was directed. I believe
Speaker 3: that this was his first time directing. Right, no, last season,
Speaker 3: I think right, oh last season, Yes, because it was
Speaker 3: some of the slamball stuff. I think he did. So
Speaker 3: this is James Lafferty's WHOA Yeah directed this. It's so good.
Speaker 6: H and what thing that the device of where everyone
Speaker 6: is going to watch this show gave you, guys really
Speaker 6: isolated time in the Haley and Nathan house so that
Speaker 6: he could have all of our other scenes to really
Speaker 6: just direct on set and not have to wear two hats.
Speaker 6: It's such a cool I just feel like it's such
Speaker 6: a cool little behind the scenes tidbit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: I thought that the use of Dan's show as the
Speaker 4: through line for the episode was done so well. I
Speaker 4: agree in terms of, like you said, sort of spacing
Speaker 4: everyone out but sort of everyone's all on the same page.
Speaker 4: And the just the detention of how it was going
Speaker 4: to everything.
Speaker 3: The dialogue about falling in love and like going to
Speaker 3: different couples.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Yeah, I wrote that one down when
Speaker 4: he said Dan says, we're not victims when it comes
Speaker 4: to love and happiness.
Speaker 6: We're assassin's assassins.
Speaker 4: Dan slash Paul just crushed this episode. He was so
Speaker 4: damn good, so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he always shows up. He's so reliable. He just
Speaker 3: knows how to handle all the material. Just throw anything
Speaker 3: at him. It's great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's just really, really good. In this stage of
Speaker 6: Dan Scott's life and this talk show host arena, it
Speaker 6: gives him this really cool space to show off all
Speaker 6: of his curiosity and his listening and his empathy. And
Speaker 6: I thought that, you know, to your point, Rob, the
Speaker 6: way they kind of wove everyone scenes in and out
Speaker 6: of each other, you know, when he's talking about being
Speaker 6: divorced and then it cuts to Quinn and you. There
Speaker 6: were moments like that for everyone, you know, Yeah, Sarah's
Speaker 6: talking to you about people of character and it cuts
Speaker 6: to Nathan. Like the device of these parallel lives, it
Speaker 6: didn't feel too heavy handed. It felt really brilliant.
Speaker 3: I can't I just can't get over it's such a
Speaker 3: brilliant idea in the first place. I'm still every time
Speaker 3: I see him walk out and there's a talk show
Speaker 3: in an audience, I'm like, this is so genius. Where
Speaker 3: else could Dan Scott have gone? Of course this is
Speaker 3: what they wrote. It's so smart. Yeah, it still surprises me,
Speaker 3: still makes me so happy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's perfect for Dan's ego. Yet it's also
Speaker 4: the perfect device for questioning whether he's actually changed. Given
Speaker 4: what his messaging is.
Speaker 3: It feels like he's really genuinely trying to change. The
Speaker 3: more that this goes on, I mean, I really loved
Speaker 3: that about this episode of the All of this stuff
Speaker 3: with Renee is just so juicy, juicy.
Speaker 4: How about when they are backstage, Renee says, mister Scott,
Speaker 4: what happened between you and Nathan and Paul Goes I
Speaker 4: murdered his uncle, amongst other things. I'll see you out there,
Speaker 4: just totally matter of fact, nonchalant.
Speaker 3: And also almost ran into the doorframe. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you caught that.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 3: He leaned forward when he said the line, and then
Speaker 3: he turned his head to the right and the doorframe
Speaker 3: was right there, and he just sort of like bobbed
Speaker 3: his head and down the way. Oh so great, yep,
Speaker 3: it seems like he's genuinely changing. But yeah, but then
Speaker 3: he walks into the room and he's like standing behind
Speaker 3: her in the mirror and puts his hand on her
Speaker 3: shoulders and justugh, gross. Reminds me of that that clip
Speaker 3: of Lucille Ball was she on the Dick Cavit Show
Speaker 3: or something, and she he's walking through the audience and
Speaker 3: she keeps going, could you take your hands off her place?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can ask, don't.
Speaker 4: Her?
Speaker 3: That's right. It's really funny, And it was made me
Speaker 3: think of that when Dan walked over and just why
Speaker 3: are you standing behind her? And why do you have
Speaker 3: your hands on her shoulders? And why are you being creepy?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very domineering.
Speaker 4: Listen, he needs. He needs a class on personal space
Speaker 4: and boundaries, because do you remember how awkward he made
Speaker 4: it with the freaking twizzlers, the red vines and the
Speaker 4: intern you get last up or two episodes ago, and
Speaker 4: I was like, he got right up in that ear
Speaker 4: and was like, I forgive you, don't you don't be
Speaker 4: angry from a distance with your hot breath in my ear?
Speaker 6: Pass you're a hot breath in my ear. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I just need when they know, you know what, someone
Speaker 4: gets that close to that you can feel the heat
Speaker 4: of their breath.
Speaker 6: Nope, I'm out, it's not good.
Speaker 3: I was just so surprised at this. I did not
Speaker 3: know that he was going to do that on the
Speaker 3: show with Renee. I've forgotten completely what happened in that storyline,
Speaker 3: So this is me. It was really fun to watch
Speaker 3: as a viewer and not know. And when the lie
Speaker 3: detector test. First of all, when he brought out the
Speaker 3: lie detector, I was like, yeah, get her Dan, And
Speaker 3: then she said he was the father of the baby
Speaker 3: and it said true, and I was shocked. My mouth
Speaker 3: fell open. I had no idea that was coming. And
Speaker 3: then the hits kept on coming.
Speaker 6: And it was so I mean as a viewer, to
Speaker 6: have the suspense, the drama, the shock, what a better
Speaker 6: choice than to have the lie detector test be real? Yeah,
Speaker 6: because when he puts it on and he starts saying
Speaker 6: all this nonsense, I didn't murder my brother, I'm the
Speaker 6: president of the United States, and you just go, oh
Speaker 6: my god, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my god, it's not real.
Speaker 6: Oh I loved it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and that also means that he is banking on
Speaker 4: his son's character and integrity. His bluff is entirely predicated
Speaker 4: on the fact that he believes Nathan. Yeah, which which
Speaker 4: was which was really sweet. I don't know if sweet's
Speaker 4: the right word, but it was impactful, you know, because
Speaker 4: otherwise he's really damning Nathan on live television. If it
Speaker 4: goes sideways, Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's it's sort of bittersweet, right, because he says to
Speaker 6: Rachel near the end of the episode, I raised him.
Speaker 6: I know who he is. He has faith in his
Speaker 6: son and knows that it doesn't matter because he's never
Speaker 6: going to get his kid back. And it's such an
Speaker 6: interesting kind of cycle to be in because she sees
Speaker 6: through his instinct to say he's fine, and she says,
Speaker 6: or you know, are you hurt that? Maybe that's in
Speaker 6: the next episode that Nathan didn't say thank you. It's
Speaker 6: it's a really interesting story for Dan and Rachel to
Speaker 6: navigate together as a couple because just like you realize
Speaker 6: he can tell all of these lies and the lie
Speaker 6: detector says they're true. It makes you look back and go,
Speaker 6: oh wait, the second question was my wife loves me?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: He said I love my wife? Right.
Speaker 6: I think he said my wife Rachel loves me.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 6: Interesting, if I'm remembering correct, I mean either way.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And so it's a really interesting dynamic because on the
Speaker 6: one hand, she absolutely sees him, she knows what hurts him,
Speaker 6: and on the other he's irritated by her business prowess
Speaker 6: but has also been saved by it. And when you
Speaker 6: realize he's sort of gone rogue with this lie detector
Speaker 6: and this whole thing. But then he's the genius who
Speaker 6: made up that. There's a panel of experts. You're like,
Speaker 6: which one of these people?
Speaker 5: What am I watching?
Speaker 3: It's so fun to watch someone with nothing to lose. Oh,
Speaker 3: he's just flying free. You never know what to expect,
Speaker 3: You never know what's gonna happen. Yeah, I'm really enjoying
Speaker 3: this ride with him.
Speaker 4: I also just love Yeah, like you said, you never
Speaker 4: know what to expect. But he has a great line
Speaker 4: to Renee when he's interviewing her and he's like, you know,
Speaker 4: we went through your past and she's like okay, and
Speaker 4: he says you were a hostess in a club and
Speaker 4: she's quick to say, yeah, but there was no nudity,
Speaker 4: And he says, I understand my wife was a stripper,
Speaker 4: a little bit of nudity. I love that. It's like
Speaker 4: this man has just no filter or concern, nothing to lose. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's just not saying it to be mean, but he
Speaker 4: just doesn't care, completely blowing up his wife's spot. And
Speaker 4: of course Rachel just used there's a quick shot of
Speaker 4: her being like, come on, bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So much fun with those two. But on a different note,
Speaker 4: two people not having such a good time, David and Quinn.
Speaker 4: I was you very curious what you thought about the
Speaker 4: move of him dumping all of Quinn's stuff at Clay's house.
Speaker 3: It took me a second to even realize what was
Speaker 3: going on. Not just a second, actually it took me
Speaker 3: a while. Maybe I wasn't paying attention or something I
Speaker 3: thought I was, but I really didn't get what was happening.
Speaker 3: I didn't know whose house they were at. Oh, you
Speaker 3: walk out, it's all her stuff. And then I was like,
Speaker 3: this is some girl that he slept with, dumped all
Speaker 3: of hurt stuff? Is somebody now Sarah dumped out quinn
Speaker 3: stuff on the yard. It was so confused. So he
Speaker 3: just dumped all of her suitcases open, like out all
Speaker 3: of What a weird choice.
Speaker 4: Which also means that he went back to wherever their
Speaker 4: home is to collect the things she didn't take with
Speaker 4: her to Tree Hill to bring them back somehow know
Speaker 4: where Clay lives, even though he's only recently got there,
Speaker 4: and then not like confront Clay, but just throw said
Speaker 4: clothing all over the lawn.
Speaker 3: Of some other guy, not even hurt. It's like, why
Speaker 3: are you mad at me?
Speaker 4: Dude?
Speaker 6: Yeah, And David knows Nathan and Haley's house. Well, we've
Speaker 6: seen splashbacks of them there. We see how close they are.
Speaker 6: You know, this is a long standing relationship. To figure
Speaker 6: out where Clay lives in this manner feels so borderline stockery. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and the fact that he's had to transport all these things.
Speaker 6: I'm like, listen, if you got to pack an suv
Speaker 6: with suitcases and boxes, you close them up, you zip
Speaker 6: the zippers, you take the boxes.
Speaker 3: No, he was making a statement. I don't know what
Speaker 3: the statement was, because it sure A's hall was petty
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 6: It just seems so silly to me.
Speaker 4: It is it is. Could you imagine though, if we
Speaker 4: had this scene of him doing that. He's a grown
Speaker 4: man and he's not smashing my windshield, he's like h
Speaker 4: throwing a bra on a tree, throwing sluby lemon sweats
Speaker 4: in a bush. That would be outrageous.
Speaker 6: It was so long ago that I'll say it feels
Speaker 6: like another life. But I kicked somebody out once and
Speaker 6: I packed everything up. The boxes were passed, they were sealed,
Speaker 6: and I dollied everything box to the end of the
Speaker 6: driveway and was like, here's your stack, come get your
Speaker 6: It was I've never been more mad in my life,
Speaker 6: and by the way, deserved to be. And I still
Speaker 6: used packing tape. Yes, like the linings in the bush.
Speaker 3: It's just ooh, it's so petty.
Speaker 4: Why, I mean, seriously, imagine what that looked like, like,
Speaker 4: you know how a little kid toilet paper is a house. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a grown man with a suitcase or a Duffel
Speaker 4: bat just walking around hanging a bron a palm tree,
Speaker 4: putting an air of cute boy shorts on the grass.
Speaker 3: And the fact that it's not at where Quinn is staying,
Speaker 3: the fact that is at your place.
Speaker 6: How great would a scene have been for you to
Speaker 6: be getting ready for this episode of Dan's show with
Speaker 6: Nathan and Quinn is like, can I do anything? I'll
Speaker 6: give you space, I'll go to my room. I don't know,
Speaker 6: And you guys, hear the doorbell ring and you like
Speaker 6: see David's car leaving and there's just stay her stuff
Speaker 6: all all in the driveway, and then we could have
Speaker 6: seen Haley and Quinn have a moment together instead of like, weirdly,
Speaker 6: suddenly Chantelle has to march into the house with like
Speaker 6: office boxes people take when they get fired and they
Speaker 6: steal the staplers, like this, what's happening?
Speaker 4: I wish Clay would have walked out while David was
Speaker 4: in the middle of doing it. I just caught him
Speaker 4: and be like, hey, Bud, what are you doing with
Speaker 4: that bra.
Speaker 3: It's not here? It would have been great, Yeah, exactly
Speaker 3: if David had looked up and been like, here Quinn,
Speaker 3: and then oh, she's not here. In fact, actually I
Speaker 3: haven't seen her in a couple of weeks. I keep
Speaker 3: sending her home. I'm up here with my dead wife.
Speaker 4: None of that looks like it's gonna fit me, buddy,
Speaker 4: So can you just take it with you and leave?
Speaker 6: Something I think is really interesting when we talk about
Speaker 6: how this episode does so well in terms of how
Speaker 6: it weaves everyone's stories together, you know, from me saying
Speaker 6: to Julian's surprise, and then David brings Quinn into the
Speaker 6: house and says surprise, like all these little things. What
Speaker 6: struck me was realizing that we were seeing these couples
Speaker 6: at these various inflection points of are we in or
Speaker 6: are we out? You know, there, Quinn, David's marriage is dissolving,
Speaker 6: Brook and Julian are trying to figure out if they're
Speaker 6: really in this for the long haul. And those are
Speaker 6: so often the things we get to see in a
Speaker 6: show that is about relationships, and it was so powerful
Speaker 6: in this are these two going to go deep? These
Speaker 6: here getting out of the deep end to have this
Speaker 6: view into grief, because loss, when you're in your twenties.
Speaker 6: You may not know that many people who've been through loss,
Speaker 6: but by the time you're our age, everybody's lost somebody.
Speaker 6: And it hit me. I remember just being so moved
Speaker 6: by you, Rob and Amanda Scholl and the way that
Speaker 6: you carried out this storyline. But watching it from the
Speaker 6: frame of references, I now have the experiences, I have,
Speaker 6: the things I've lived through since we shot this stuff.
Speaker 6: It God, it just felt so special to get to
Speaker 6: witness this third pillar of you know, an enormous shift
Speaker 6: in someone's relationship. So like, hats off to you, truly.
Speaker 4: Oh thanks. I and Amanda school was so great. I
Speaker 4: thought she it was again like so effective and just
Speaker 4: showing this sweet relationship for me. I had totally forgotten
Speaker 4: that she was the one who asked me to marry her.
Speaker 3: I loved that.
Speaker 4: It was fantastic, And because I knew what the end
Speaker 4: of their thing was going their flashbacks were going to be,
Speaker 4: it made it especially devastating. Oh, it was like a
Speaker 4: dagger because it was just she's she's so great, and
Speaker 4: then she did this and it's like she's she's his rock,
Speaker 4: you know, and they're so in love and then it's
Speaker 4: just gone. In a moment.
Speaker 3: Before because this was the episode where it's the big giveaway,
Speaker 3: like we don't know that she's dead and she's not
Speaker 3: a real person in your life until that moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, we just find out in seven o seven
Speaker 6: that her name is even Sarah. It's the first time
Speaker 6: you say her name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I went her name, that's right. Yeah. On the bridge,
Speaker 3: which was also I wrote down best meet cute ever.
Speaker 3: It was just so fatastic and shot on the long lens,
Speaker 3: so it really looked like an indie movie. I feel
Speaker 3: like we were in Elizabethtown or something. It just was
Speaker 3: so cool. But I was wondering if you guys had
Speaker 3: conversations on the set about things that she could do
Speaker 3: or not do, touch or not touch, be involved in
Speaker 3: or not you know, like in terms of being a
Speaker 3: figment of your imagination. She was painting her toenails twice
Speaker 3: in the context of your house in the whole episode.
Speaker 3: I was like, how many times can this girl pain
Speaker 3: in her toenails?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she probably can't do a lot of other things.
Speaker 3: For the sake of continuity, Do you remember any of
Speaker 3: those conversations she's dead?
Speaker 4: Joy, she has a lot of free time to kill.
Speaker 3: Okay, but but I'm feeling like she can't go to
Speaker 3: your microwave and make popcorn or like you know, get
Speaker 3: into the pots and pans.
Speaker 4: So I do remember us sort of laying a couple
Speaker 4: of ground rules, and yes, I think it was interaction.
Speaker 3: Did you even touch?
Speaker 6: No, only jumping off the bridge.
Speaker 4: That was That was when she was alive.
Speaker 6: Oh that's right, of course, because it's the flashback. Of course.
Speaker 4: Of course, the first time we meet her at trick,
Speaker 4: right when she disappears next to me, if you recall,
Speaker 4: there was a moment where I say come home with me,
Speaker 4: and she says, well that that's up to you, isn't it.
Speaker 4: That's the first hint that she's not real, she's a
Speaker 4: fig play's imagination. And then yes, from there on out,
Speaker 4: every flashback she's you know, she's she's isolated. She does
Speaker 4: not interact with anything you know, real, because you're exactly right.
Speaker 4: Then then we're sort of breaking the rules of like reality.
Speaker 4: So no, she always sort of stayed on her own.
Speaker 4: One thing that I liked, I thought was I wrote
Speaker 4: down you know, because she she starts calling Clay on
Speaker 4: liking Quinn. She calls him out, and she says, why'd
Speaker 4: you send her away? You like her? And my note was,
Speaker 4: you know, about to get serious when the dead wife
Speaker 4: goes to bat for the new girl. Yeah, oh okay.
Speaker 4: But it's it's this cute thing though, where it's like
Speaker 4: she really knows Clay, and also she's a figment of
Speaker 4: Clay's imagination, so like, of course she does, but it's
Speaker 4: sort of added to the sweetness because there's like a
Speaker 4: scene in seven oh eight where she says, like you.
Speaker 4: She says like Clay says, I could never love anyone
Speaker 4: the way I loved you, and she says something to
Speaker 4: the effect of Quinn and and I said no, and
Speaker 4: she goes, I can always tell when you are lying. Yeah,
Speaker 4: She's just that sweet thing of like I see you
Speaker 4: come on. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, And one of the things I thought was really, again,
Speaker 6: it's it's profound to me in ways now that I
Speaker 6: don't think I could have understood it then. But when
Speaker 6: you guys have this conversation when you are at the
Speaker 6: record player and you're turning on that song and we're
Speaker 6: finally going to get to and what happened, and I
Speaker 6: wrote down, I was like, oh my god, the record.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, they're dancing. Oh, I have goosebumps. I
Speaker 6: know what's coming. Like I was panicking because I knew
Speaker 6: that this phase of learning about you too was about
Speaker 6: to get pierced for me. And I've thought the way
Speaker 6: you talked about forgetting things about her and being so
Speaker 6: afraid that you're going to lose you two, I'm afraid
Speaker 6: I'm losing us. I don't remember certain things. I don't
Speaker 6: remember what you smelled, like the god the way that
Speaker 6: just like cut me to the core. Because there is
Speaker 6: and people don't always talk about it, there is a
Speaker 6: trauma years after losing someone about letting anyone else into
Speaker 6: this place that the person who's died occupied, Like how
Speaker 6: do you let someone into that space in your heart?
Speaker 6: Into that room? Does someone moving into it, you know,
Speaker 6: take away what you can hold on to of this
Speaker 6: person that you've lost. And I thought her telling you
Speaker 6: to open the door was so it was like there
Speaker 6: was nothing she could say in response, because that's your
Speaker 6: pain and just to say you have to, like you're
Speaker 6: still here, open the door. It has to change at
Speaker 6: some point. There was space for all of it, and
Speaker 6: none of it was downplayed. And again just as a
Speaker 6: person now who's been through loss that I hadn't been
Speaker 6: at twenty seven. I cherished the way you guys got
Speaker 6: to handle that. It was beautiful.
Speaker 4: And I love that the speech isn't I'm lonely, I
Speaker 4: miss you. It's not fair. I love that it's that
Speaker 4: I'm losing you to me just spoke to like how
Speaker 4: much he loved her, and not just being married and
Speaker 4: having a partner, but it was specifically about her and
Speaker 4: fun slash sad. Behind the scenes of that scene, I
Speaker 4: remember rehearsing it and liking the way it felt, liking
Speaker 4: the emotion where I was at emotionally, and then us
Speaker 4: shooting my coverage and I didn't feel like I got
Speaker 4: to where I wanted. And I was so upset with
Speaker 4: myself because I was like James was a buddy, and
Speaker 4: I remember afterwards when he was like, it's great, we
Speaker 4: got it, and I remember I was so upset with myself.
Speaker 4: I actually started crying, like I kind of just choked
Speaker 4: up apologizing him, but I walked away and like, actually
Speaker 4: was I was so upset with myself that I felt
Speaker 4: like I was a good story I was telling myself.
Speaker 4: Was I'm letting my friend down and then I was
Speaker 4: actually crying, like I was like I thought I wanted
Speaker 4: to do in the scene in the scene. So it
Speaker 4: was funny to watch it back now and go like,
Speaker 4: that's a totally fine level right there. Yeah, you didn't
Speaker 4: need to be weeping.
Speaker 3: No, I have. Actually, that's a huge note that I
Speaker 3: have in this that you. I am consistently impressed and
Speaker 3: surprised by you, Rob because your subtlety, your groundedness. Watching
Speaker 3: that performance in particular, what you're talking about made me
Speaker 3: feel safe as an audience member, like I didn't feel
Speaker 3: like I was watching an actor that was performing. And
Speaker 3: there's a have you ever seen a play or you
Speaker 3: watch just something and you're like, ooh. I went to
Speaker 3: see some shows recently in the West End and there
Speaker 3: was there was a particular actress in a role that
Speaker 3: was really a wonderful actress, but she has had trouble
Speaker 3: hitting the high notes, and every time she started to
Speaker 3: sing and get close to the notes, you could tell
Speaker 3: everybody was like holding their breath a little bit, like, oh,
Speaker 3: oh God.
Speaker 4: Are you going to get it?
Speaker 3: Are you going to get there? And it's not a
Speaker 3: great feeling as an audience member. You really want to relax.
Speaker 3: And I felt like when I watched that performance that
Speaker 3: you gave, I felt so safe, Like I wasn't worried
Speaker 3: at all. It wasn't like is he gonna cry? Is
Speaker 3: it gonna are you milking it? Is he going to
Speaker 3: be like trying to take his moment to be emotional
Speaker 3: and show everybody that he can cry on camera. No,
Speaker 3: you were just so dropped in to me. It felt
Speaker 3: like you were exactly realistically, because loss isn't all of
Speaker 3: a sudden like that. It like what you're talking about,
Speaker 3: Sophie takes It takes a long time. You know, there's
Speaker 3: the initial shock and then there's the anger and the
Speaker 3: bargaining and all the steps that you go through. But
Speaker 3: he's holding on to her because it does take a
Speaker 3: long time to like let go slowly like untangle. And
Speaker 3: that's what I felt from that performance. So whatever was
Speaker 3: going on in your head, that was just some negative
Speaker 3: self talk, man, because.
Speaker 4: You rock down, Yeah, which I was. I had a
Speaker 4: lot of back then. The other thing too, is that
Speaker 4: this might be a conversation he's had with her fifty times. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you might have had this conversation every single night, you know,
Speaker 4: so it's another reason why, like it might not be
Speaker 4: explosive because this might be the thirtieth time he's saying
Speaker 4: these words to her, you know. So I remember wanting
Speaker 4: just to keep it honest. That's always the north Stars,
Speaker 4: like is it honest? Is this honest and grounded? But
Speaker 4: I was at the tail end of my because this
Speaker 4: was still early in my career where I thought sadness
Speaker 4: equal tears.
Speaker 3: Sure we all did in our twenties, we all did.
Speaker 4: I was like, keep it honest, but if it's sad,
Speaker 4: I need to cry. And so there was this budding
Speaker 4: of heads. I was like, that work felt honest, but
Speaker 4: I didn't cry. So I missed the mark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you? What was your You may have
Speaker 3: talked about this, and forgive me if you have, but
Speaker 3: remind me a bit about your experience as an actor
Speaker 3: before this show, Like were you hired to do dramatic
Speaker 3: work a lot or were you doing mostly comedy or.
Speaker 4: No a drama? Are you so my first kind of
Speaker 4: first job was a nighttime soap opera shout out to
Speaker 4: remember my network TV channel thirteen in La I did.
Speaker 4: I did a nighttime soap, did sixty episodes as a
Speaker 4: self contained series, did another nighttime soap, and then my
Speaker 4: next like proper job was Lipstick Jungle. So it was yeah,
Speaker 4: you know it was It wasn't like HBO drama, but
Speaker 4: it was, you know, like One Tree Hill level drama. However,
Speaker 4: I will say going back watching this, this was me
Speaker 4: getting thrown into the deep end. I had never had
Speaker 4: to do real pain, because this is a different kind
Speaker 4: of pain.
Speaker 3: Like losing, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, this was a This was a first for me,
Speaker 4: which is again I had no touchstone for this role,
Speaker 4: so I didn't know if like, yeah, am I am
Speaker 4: I doing this love story of disservice by not being
Speaker 4: more devastated, you know, because all I'd ever done before
Speaker 4: is like I got cheated on my girlfriend dumped me.
Speaker 6: But I love him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh So it was a first. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean this dude, Clay, Like I was saying, like Hillary,
Speaker 4: I remember listening last season to the show and going, dude,
Speaker 4: she's getting put through the ringer, And I thought about
Speaker 4: my thing. And then in an episode with her when
Speaker 4: she was like, tell me if you've ever your character
Speaker 4: ever went through these things, and I realized, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: you know, Clay's got put through.
Speaker 6: It too, uh huh yeah.
Speaker 4: And then at least at least as the show goes on,
Speaker 4: Clay gets to sort of he walks through fire, but
Speaker 4: then he gets out on the happy, silly side, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how fun though that you get to you really
Speaker 3: got to dive in emotionally, dig deep, emotionally do.
Speaker 4: The funeral scene. I remember shooting that, yeah, and it
Speaker 4: was just me in a coffin, you know, and again
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, what does this look like?
Speaker 4: Losing something? And I remember so again this is very
Speaker 4: early on for me, but I remember I didn't I
Speaker 4: didn't really know the best way to do this. So
Speaker 4: I was just like, I just got to stay in
Speaker 4: the sorrow pocket. So for about a day or two
Speaker 4: leading up to that scene, I was just isolate in
Speaker 4: my apartment watching a lot of that movie The Fountain.
Speaker 4: Have you seen that with Rachel Weiss and Hugh Jackman,
Speaker 4: devastating If you haven't, there's this scene in it where
Speaker 4: it's a Darren Aronofski film. So I understand about twenty
Speaker 4: eight percent of the whole movie, but it's about a
Speaker 4: doctor who's working on a cure for this rare disease
Speaker 4: that his wife has and is going to be dying
Speaker 4: from soon. And it's so it's him like racing against
Speaker 4: time to try to save the love of his life.
Speaker 4: But there's this one scene where he comes home from
Speaker 4: a late night of work and he just like snuggles.
Speaker 4: She's asleep in bed, and he snuggles up next to
Speaker 4: her and he lays there for a moment, and then
Speaker 4: he gets out of bed and he tiptoes to the
Speaker 4: bathroom and he just weeps as quietly as he can.
Speaker 4: And I remember that resonated with me. So I just
Speaker 4: watched that movie for like a day and a half
Speaker 4: because I didn't know again like I have to cry
Speaker 4: because that's the only way to show how sad I am.
Speaker 4: So it was it was not efficient.
Speaker 3: What sort of director was James in that environment because
Speaker 3: he was pretty new, Like how did he handle He.
Speaker 4: Was great because he was hands off. I think maybe
Speaker 4: he could tell I was putting myself through it enough
Speaker 4: and I I I think he came over to my
Speaker 4: apartment and we sat down and we talked through all
Speaker 4: of our stuff. So that kind of freed us up
Speaker 4: on the day for him, like for us to do
Speaker 4: a blocking rehearsal, and then it was just sort of
Speaker 4: like go, yeah, you know, we'll find it, you know,
Speaker 4: And so there was a lot of freedom with it
Speaker 4: with him. That's great, but yeah, but this was like
Speaker 4: I remember the stress of this episode because it's like,
Speaker 4: I'm the new guy. I've always told myself I'm not
Speaker 4: a guy who cries. I don't know how to do that,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I'm like, come on, a
Speaker 4: dead wife and a funeral.
Speaker 6: No, oh god, Rob, I can't remember. It's murky for
Speaker 6: me because I know that I gave this book because
Speaker 6: I couldn't stop talking about it when it came out.
Speaker 6: To our boss. In two thousand and seven, this book
Speaker 6: called Love Is a Mixtape came out and this incredible writer,
Speaker 6: Rob Sheffield, who comes from like music journalism, like you know,
Speaker 6: he's like the real deal. Peyton Sawyer. He wrote this
Speaker 6: memoir about his wife dying of a brain aneurysm in
Speaker 6: their house, and it was like, it's still one of
Speaker 6: the most beautiful books I've ever read in my life.
Speaker 6: And the whole thing he sort of takes you on
Speaker 6: this nonlinear journey of like the albums they fell in
Speaker 6: love to and the concerts they used to go to,
Speaker 6: and how all of this music helps him process this
Speaker 6: unimaginable loss. Did I give you a copy of the book.
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 6: God, what a I bungled it, missed opportunity. I think
Speaker 6: I must have assumed, like, oh, well, they'll tell you
Speaker 6: to read this book because like none you know, in season,
Speaker 6: I guess it would have been five, like nobody stopped
Speaker 6: talking about it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: They always say, if you want something done right, do
Speaker 6: it yourself. Not necessarily that you would like to really
Speaker 6: dip back into it, but if you have any free
Speaker 6: time coming up for any reason lately soon. What are
Speaker 6: the words I'm looking for?
Speaker 3: Can I speak to you words?
Speaker 4: Can I just tell you? Your English is getting so
Speaker 4: much better, Sophia?
Speaker 6: Thank you so much better now than when I was,
Speaker 6: like in journalism school. But it's so beautiful. And again,
Speaker 6: I don't think I could have understood it then the
Speaker 6: way I feel like I can understand it watching you
Speaker 6: do it now. The encouragement to push tears, which all
Speaker 6: of us got in our twenties, like can you just
Speaker 6: make it a little more emotional? Can we just get
Speaker 6: like a tear? What a weird sense of direction to
Speaker 6: give a young person, but to be able to play
Speaker 6: actual pain rather than to try to show it off.
Speaker 6: It made me think watching you do this episode in particular,
Speaker 6: a lot about the book, about certain ways that the
Speaker 6: author described this sort of pain that burned so big
Speaker 6: that it almost hollowed you out, Like it felt so
Speaker 6: enormous that you almost couldn't feel anything at all. And
Speaker 6: the way that you're explaining letting yourself feel it instead
Speaker 6: of trying to push it out of you. I guess
Speaker 6: this is the most long winded way of saying I
Speaker 6: think you did it perfectly.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you for saying that. Yeah, I was curious
Speaker 4: to see what to hear what your thoughts on it were,
Speaker 4: because I will be honest, when I watched it, half
Speaker 4: of me was like, okay, that's that's grounded, like okay,
Speaker 4: and the other half of me felt like I was
Speaker 4: watching a little kid play dress up. Like I was
Speaker 4: going like I hope and I hope other people are
Speaker 4: on like it's just because it's me, And I also
Speaker 4: know where I was back then. But I remember at
Speaker 4: the time after this episode aired, a friends, a friend
Speaker 4: of a friend reached out to me and said he
Speaker 4: had lost his wife to a brain in years he
Speaker 4: and he basically said, he's like you, you played that
Speaker 4: beautifully and that that is what that pain was like.
Speaker 4: And it was. Yeah, it was so nice because again,
Speaker 4: especially back then with like my imposter syndrome, I was like,
Speaker 4: I bricked it. That was terrible. So to have this
Speaker 4: grown man say I felt like you told that story,
Speaker 4: well it was. It was a really nice atta boy
Speaker 4: to get back here. Yeah, And I think it just
Speaker 4: also it really helps immediately make sense of everything we've
Speaker 4: seen Clay doing so far in terms of being distant.
Speaker 4: I don't believe in love non committal, You're like, who,
Speaker 4: I completely get it. And I also love the way
Speaker 4: that we got to flash back and see David and Quinn. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because we've had nothing substantive bear excuse me, very very
Speaker 4: little substantive from these twoses, and this was the first
Speaker 4: time where it's like, great, now we see where it
Speaker 4: used to.
Speaker 3: Be, see how the change. Yeah, now we're getting the
Speaker 3: real answer. It's not just like oh we changed. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, okay, he's throwing your clothes on the
Speaker 3: lawn of some other guy, and okay. There was an
Speaker 3: obsession about money and there was this like you're starting
Speaker 3: to see how the pieces are coming together. Flashbacks were
Speaker 3: really really useful. And one time Rob when you you
Speaker 3: didn't look like you were playing dress up as a
Speaker 3: little boy in that scene, but the scene that you
Speaker 3: did was when you walked out in the suit and
Speaker 3: the way that you were holding your body and the
Speaker 3: way before she proposed to you with your arms forward
Speaker 3: and she's like, just brought some jeans.
Speaker 4: That's good because that scene that's what we were going for.
Speaker 3: Yes, it made me that was so so great, So
Speaker 3: it's really funny. But yeah, the flashbacks were really useful
Speaker 3: and I thought they did them. We've always done flashbacks
Speaker 3: pretty well on our show. I like that that's a
Speaker 3: device that we use often, you too. One thing that
Speaker 3: was super weird to me was the house party with
Speaker 3: Renee just by the way. I don't know if any
Speaker 3: did you guys notice that that, like all the lights
Speaker 3: were on. I'm like, what time is this party?
Speaker 4: And who fun?
Speaker 3: It was so bright in there. It was so bright.
Speaker 4: It was also a little bit heavy handed that Clay goes,
Speaker 4: he goes, all right, I got to take the picture,
Speaker 4: and I go, okay, make it sexy but not too sexy.
Speaker 4: That'll cost us twenty million next year. And I took
Speaker 4: the picture.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, guys, look there it is there, there it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I liked that. We we we finally get to see
Speaker 4: Brooke tell Julian that she was planning on proposing on
Speaker 4: the beach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all these reverse proposals, It's fun.
Speaker 4: That was such a beautiful, sad moment that I was
Speaker 4: kind of disappointed that that was just going to be
Speaker 4: where it it lived and died, and so I was
Speaker 4: really happy this episode that Brooks circled back and told him.
Speaker 3: That yeah, I am too.
Speaker 6: It felt really important and what I appreciate in the
Speaker 6: same way that I felt like I got to understand
Speaker 6: Clay's behavior because we got to learn where he came from.
Speaker 6: I got to understand this idea. I thought the flashbacks
Speaker 6: with Quinn and David that you were just talking about
Speaker 6: joy finally let us understand what that line. People are
Speaker 6: allowed to change and then and they're allowed not to.
Speaker 6: I was like, I get it. I see it. I
Speaker 6: see how he changed and thought it was great, and
Speaker 6: I see how him changing absolutely broke her heart. They
Speaker 6: just grew apart. I get it. And what I like
Speaker 6: is that I got the backstory for these two new
Speaker 6: characters that we already have. For Brooke Davis, yeah, like
Speaker 6: we know how deeply imprinted she has been by Lucas's betrayal,
Speaker 6: by feeling as though she, you know, isn't the one
Speaker 6: whoever really gets chosen that, you know. I think one
Speaker 6: of the things I now feel weirdly even more connected
Speaker 6: to her on is this feedback of well, you have
Speaker 6: a really big life, and it's really hard for someone
Speaker 6: to be with you, and it's it's especially hard for
Speaker 6: a man to not have his ego bruised when his
Speaker 6: girl is fill in the blank, like to see all
Speaker 6: of that stuff in her come out in that sad,
Speaker 6: sad moment when he asks on the doc did you
Speaker 6: mean it? And she says I did then and he says,
Speaker 6: but not anymore. I wanted to sob I was like,
Speaker 6: what does Brooke answer?
Speaker 4: What do you say?
Speaker 3: She says, I'm not sure, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she says, I don't know anymore.
Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting? How time, you know, you can feel
Speaker 3: so passionately in what moment and then like a couple
Speaker 3: of few things happen and you're like yeah.
Speaker 6: And you can think you know where you stand with someone,
Speaker 6: and then something happens, you learn something, and you go, oh,
Speaker 6: everything I thought isn't really the full picture? And is
Speaker 6: this full picture safe for me? Is this full picture
Speaker 6: good for me? And I loved and I think we
Speaker 6: talked about this a little bit last week. So often
Speaker 6: we move through things so fast on this show, and
Speaker 6: finally it feels like we're in a ton where we're
Speaker 6: letting things breathe. I like that they didn't clean it up.
Speaker 6: I like that she said I don't know anymore, and
Speaker 6: I loved that instead of trying to convince her, he
Speaker 6: admits that he didn't know, and then he just apologizes.
Speaker 3: And he's like, I'm still here, Okay, this is where
Speaker 3: we are now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sorry that I hurt you. And it just
Speaker 6: has to be there. And she has to work through
Speaker 6: everything from her past that's triggered, everything he did in
Speaker 6: the present that wasn't really up to par and figure
Speaker 6: out can I make room for this person to be
Speaker 6: a flawed human or are their flaws going to harm
Speaker 6: the human that I am?
Speaker 3: And that is the thing. The fact that he'd dote,
Speaker 3: you're right, The fact that he does just stay right there,
Speaker 3: because you could do that forever, right, grab pieces of
Speaker 3: information to complete the picture. I don't know if we
Speaker 3: ever get a full complete picture of another person, even
Speaker 3: if it's your spouse or your child, Like I, you know,
Speaker 3: we could never be anybody of it than ourselves. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you're always going to be gathering new pieces of information,
Speaker 3: which then could change the narrative about how you feel
Speaker 3: or what you think, or how you want to approach
Speaker 3: your relationship with them.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But the mark of someone who is willing to just
Speaker 3: stay there and be like, Okay, the new information makes
Speaker 3: you feel differently, I'm here for that. Let's see what
Speaker 3: happens next.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he responded, rather than reacted.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And it was so refreshing to see it modeled, especially
Speaker 6: on our show, because you know, we did fall into
Speaker 6: a lot of early and mid aux tropes, and we
Speaker 6: did have a lot of really bad behavior. And I
Speaker 6: just love how grown up all this stuff feels everything
Speaker 6: we're dealing with in this season. You know, even even
Speaker 6: watching Nathan and Haley go through this, you guys being
Speaker 6: trapped having to watch this show the way I felt
Speaker 6: as a viewer and a friend when it finally clicks,
Speaker 6: and Renee bursts into tears because she knows she screwed up,
Speaker 6: and he finally bursts into tears because it's been so
Speaker 6: awful and she's actually finally taking her first deep breath.
Speaker 6: Like the humanity of everyone feels really real and it
Speaker 6: doesn't feel tropy and it doesn't feel soapy in it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and it's I don't know, I felt really proud of
Speaker 6: us watching this.
Speaker 3: You knew that even back then, though, because I have
Speaker 3: this in my little one of my little notes says,
Speaker 3: relaxed Brook. Relaxed Brook because you had your like sweatshirt
Speaker 3: on or whatever, this like loose t shirt was. Your
Speaker 3: hair wasn't done. I mean you looked really pretty, but
Speaker 3: like you're it wasn't the Brook that we're always seeing
Speaker 3: with the makeup and that. It was just like I
Speaker 3: love that you even had that instinct back then, Like
Speaker 3: we're just doing raw humanity right now. Can we please
Speaker 3: stop with like Brooke needs a break?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I don't need full pin curls for this.
Speaker 6: You guys please.
Speaker 3: Really served the story though. It was a great choice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's nice to be able to be a little
Speaker 6: bit bear as an actor to match your appearance to
Speaker 6: your emotion, because Brooke is really a raw nerve in
Speaker 6: this and I think it would have, to your point,
Speaker 6: felt really weird. If she was in a full close
Speaker 6: over Bros. Outfit having this conversation with Julian, we all
Speaker 6: would have been like, what is going on here? When
Speaker 6: does she have time to put on eyeliner?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, and it speaks to how much she's struggling. Because
Speaker 4: Brooke normally is so put together, so for her to
Speaker 4: not be as polished as usual speaks to the fact
Speaker 4: that she's struggling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how did it feel?
Speaker 6: Joy? Because I'm wondering similarly to you know, you asking
Speaker 6: Rob about what it was like to have James direct
Speaker 6: his big emotional scenes. How did it feel for you
Speaker 6: two to be shooting all of this stuff? You know,
Speaker 6: Nathan and Haley essentially captive audience members, you know, can't
Speaker 6: go outside of their own home. They're getting followed around
Speaker 6: and all the things. What was it like to shoot
Speaker 6: that really emotional stuff with you and James while he
Speaker 6: was directing? Do do you remember or is it kind
Speaker 6: of a blur?
Speaker 3: The emotional stuff was not too difficult for me, ever,
Speaker 3: probably because I was living in a prison of emotional
Speaker 3: well during the time that we were filming, so I
Speaker 3: think I was happy for any chance to leak. But James,
Speaker 3: I do remember, was, as you said, to Rob, a
Speaker 3: bit hands off with the actors, which I appreciated so much.
Speaker 3: It's not that he didn't have ideas, it was that
Speaker 3: he knew that he trusted us, like he knew that
Speaker 3: we knew our characters. He trusted us to do our job.
Speaker 3: He trusted the lighting guys to do their job, He
Speaker 3: trusted the said deck to do their job, which is
Speaker 3: really I think what a great director does. They are
Speaker 3: quality control, as Paul Johanson would always say, like directing
Speaker 3: is just quality control. You just show up and trust
Speaker 3: that everybody else knows what they're doing, and you can
Speaker 3: guide and you know, share your creative ideas. But we
Speaker 3: don't need to like micromanage everybody's job. And so I
Speaker 3: think James was mentored by Paul in that a lot
Speaker 3: as well, and I really I really enjoyed working with him.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he likes directing and acting at
Speaker 3: the same time. I would like to ask him that he.
Speaker 4: Also, like I find so many actors who become directors
Speaker 4: you know the things you don't like to hear as
Speaker 4: an actor, like there is it's such a pet peeve. Man.
Speaker 4: I like if, say, before the funeral scene, if a
Speaker 4: director walked up to me and goes, okay, so in
Speaker 4: this scene the love of your life is dead and
Speaker 4: now you're at our coffin. It's like, bitch, I read
Speaker 4: the script. You know what. I'm in a church right now,
Speaker 4: I know what the scene is, like I hate it.
Speaker 4: Or people be like, remember this is a really big scene.
Speaker 4: Oh is it?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 4: This is my first time reading these sides. Thanks for
Speaker 4: that clue. It's like, yeah, go back to video if
Speaker 4: that's all you have to share, Just go back to
Speaker 4: video village and scream action. Yes, yes, let me work,
Speaker 4: and then if you can fine tune me, fine to me,
Speaker 4: but please don't come in and explain the action text
Speaker 4: of the script to me.
Speaker 3: No. It's infuriating actually, and it takes you out of
Speaker 3: the moment because now you're like, now my pride is
Speaker 3: hurt now you yeah, like right before I do this scene,
Speaker 3: you're telling me that you think I'm a shy actor.
Speaker 6: Thank you, And especially when you have to do a
Speaker 6: scene like that, you you have to be open emotionally,
Speaker 6: and I think people forget this about actors. They think
Speaker 6: we have like on off switches, you know, like we're
Speaker 6: wind up toys. And when you have come in completely
Speaker 6: laid bare because you're getting ready to just see where
Speaker 6: it goes, Yeah, and someone talks to you like you're
Speaker 6: a fucking dip. At least for me, I can be like, oh,
Speaker 6: interesting this person, Okay, But if I'm in that state
Speaker 6: where I'm so emotionally open and I'm not prepared it,
Speaker 6: it's exactly like you said, it's like it it gets
Speaker 6: in me in a way that I'm like, who are
Speaker 6: you what?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Do you think we do here? Do you think we
Speaker 6: don't read scripts like it? It makes me so much
Speaker 6: more upset than it would if I were just walking
Speaker 6: down the street and it happened.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, absolutely, you're so emotionally open that oh
Speaker 1: my god for somebody to be like, So the backstory
Speaker 1: is you're like, do you work with people who don't
Speaker 1: do their homework?
Speaker 6: Because we do our homework here.
Speaker 4: Dude, especially on a TV show where the directors are
Speaker 4: just guns for hire, like we live with the character
Speaker 4: every single week. Yeah, you are a visitor here, but like,
Speaker 4: it's because what really gets to me. I don't know
Speaker 4: about you, but it's because for me, it's not that
Speaker 4: it's just unhelpful and a waste of time. It is actually,
Speaker 4: what is the word I'm looking for. It's not that
Speaker 4: it's unhelpful, it's that it's like destructive. That's what I
Speaker 4: was gonna say, It's destructive or counterproductive because the problem
Speaker 4: is now I'm I'm pissed off at you. I'm now
Speaker 4: using my energy to decide how I'm even going to
Speaker 4: respond to that, and now I've all the all the
Speaker 4: work where I was at now is gone because now
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about what a stupid thing that was
Speaker 4: to say. So it's like I get infuriated exause I'm like,
Speaker 4: now I'm just pissed off at you, and I'm not
Speaker 4: even focused on the scene.
Speaker 6: Because you're being essentially you're being emotionally punched instead of
Speaker 6: emotionally hugged, and you're like, this scene requires an emotional hug.
Speaker 6: And then the worst part is, and I'm sure there's
Speaker 6: people at home being like, oh, poor auctors, the worst
Speaker 6: part is because if you if it hasn't happened to you,
Speaker 6: and you don't get how destabilizing it is. Nobody cares,
Speaker 6: nobody's sympathetic, and you're like, okay, so I have to
Speaker 6: now use my brain power to figure out how to
Speaker 6: respond to this person and not be rude, even though
Speaker 6: what they've just done is actually so rude. But if
Speaker 6: I match their energy, I'm gonna get called difficult.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So it's like you have to you have to navigate
Speaker 6: this really weird experience and still be nice, sweet and cute,
Speaker 6: wild and have to roll the camera and go sob
Speaker 6: over a coffin. No, no, no, I gotta go hard.
Speaker 3: And you want to use it like I I when
Speaker 3: that stuff happens to me that in that kind of
Speaker 3: emotional context, I want to use it like I want
Speaker 3: to allow the anger to just get in even further
Speaker 3: because at least I can do something with it. But then,
Speaker 3: like you're saying, managing, letting the anger do what it's
Speaker 3: going to do, but also not being a rude human
Speaker 3: in that moment to a like you got to split
Speaker 3: your personality into all of a sudden in one moment,
Speaker 3: and like hold the left side of your personality with
Speaker 3: all of these emotions and anger and everything. But then
Speaker 3: the right side of your personality has to be like yes, ah,
Speaker 3: thank you so much. Could I also please have a
Speaker 3: coffee with a little cream on the side, and would
Speaker 3: just make that wait by my chair please?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Could I please figure out how to send you away
Speaker 6: from me? Yeah, in the classiest way possible, because I
Speaker 6: would like to scream.
Speaker 4: Men don't get called difficult. So I've had a couple
Speaker 4: of times where I've I've like recently, as I do
Speaker 4: a director who we got along well, but he came
Speaker 4: up and he gave me a good note and an
Speaker 4: offensive note, like a stupid note like that, and I
Speaker 4: just took a beat and I looked at him and
Speaker 4: I went one of those notes was helpful. You just
Speaker 4: got my idol. You just took a moment, went because
Speaker 4: he was also an actor, and you went fair and
Speaker 4: he walked away. That's because what's nice about that is
Speaker 4: like I've let you know that that was stupid, but
Speaker 4: like we're good. I'm not carrying it into the scene
Speaker 4: with you, but yeah, I'll just go like yeah, not helpful, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to use it or let it go.
Speaker 3: Just I've been learning more to just let it go,
Speaker 3: like like immediately just assume the best. This is a
Speaker 3: good person, that they want the show to be the
Speaker 3: best thing. They weren't thinking about it. I don't have
Speaker 3: time to process this, like and you just say thank
Speaker 3: you and let them go on their merry way, and
Speaker 3: then you go home and stew about it once the
Speaker 3: scene is over and you've cried your guts out over
Speaker 3: the coffin.
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, I think what started to help me
Speaker 6: was figuring out the reframe of like we were saying, rob,
Speaker 6: when someone talks to you like that, you're standing there
Speaker 6: going do you think I'm stupid? Do you think I
Speaker 6: haven't read the script? I don't understand what we're doing.
Speaker 6: We're expending emotional energy on nonsense for me, even if
Speaker 6: it's not true. What I have found the most helpful
Speaker 6: is to go, oh, they just want to prove to
Speaker 6: me that they've also done their homework, because people know
Speaker 6: I like homework. So maybe this person who I've only
Speaker 6: known for forty eight hours really just wants me to
Speaker 6: know they've done their homework because obviously they assume I've
Speaker 6: done my homework. And that is how I have to
Speaker 6: talk myself out of the imposter syndrome. Thing that I
Speaker 6: think we all were raised with and unfortunately had encouraged
Speaker 6: in our early workspace that we shared. And it's like,
Speaker 6: I have to psych myself out of it in a
Speaker 6: different way. And if I can do that, if I
Speaker 6: can split my brain into just enough to do that,
Speaker 6: I'm like, look at me being my highest self instead
Speaker 6: of my like sensitive inner five year old.
Speaker 4: Look at that.
Speaker 6: I'll tell my therapist it's working well.
Speaker 4: And that's like over time. The two things that I
Speaker 4: have learned as well to sort of help me reframe
Speaker 4: that whole experience is one new directors or insecure directors
Speaker 4: feel like they always have to be doing something and
Speaker 4: so it could be that which has nothing to do
Speaker 4: with me. Also, especially in episodic work, there's an onset
Speaker 4: producer watching that director work, So that director may just
Speaker 4: want the producer to see them interact doing with actors
Speaker 4: doing something exactly.
Speaker 3: But what actors, what they don't know is that they
Speaker 3: can walk up to actors and be like, the producer's
Speaker 3: watching me, and so they really want to know that
Speaker 3: I'm giving you a note, So could you just nod
Speaker 3: your head and look like I'm saying something meaningful to
Speaker 3: you And we're totally on board, like we're nothing if
Speaker 3: not collaborative. We want to make it work.
Speaker 4: Yes, so true story. I recently work done something where
Speaker 4: the onset producer didn't have the best ideas, but they
Speaker 4: had a lot of ideas, so I could tell. At
Speaker 4: one point the director when he came over and he
Speaker 4: gave a note to myself, my co star went, is
Speaker 4: that your note is at their note? And he kind
Speaker 4: of like made sure they weren't looking. He said, that's
Speaker 4: their note. I said, here's what we're going to do
Speaker 4: going forward. When you come up to us, say pineapple
Speaker 4: and then tell us the note so that we know
Speaker 4: it's not yours. So he'd looked up and be like, okay,
Speaker 4: just one second, guys, we didn't get set pineapple, tip
Speaker 4: your hat to her and say milady at the start
Speaker 4: of the scene. Great, you got it. I know, like,
Speaker 4: I don't have to do that. That's not his name.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. But also he needs to know that he
Speaker 3: should be doing that with actors, because then you know
Speaker 3: that he's not a terrible director.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's the thing, right if he if I'm
Speaker 4: hearing him give terrible notes, I immediately go, this guy doesn't
Speaker 4: have my back. So now it's up to me to
Speaker 4: make sure I don't look like an apple, right, And
Speaker 4: that's not how I'm going to do my best work
Speaker 4: if i'm if I'm performing and covering my butt.
Speaker 6: Yeah no, Yeah, you want to feel safe, because it's
Speaker 6: in the safety that you relax enough to have the
Speaker 6: unexpected happen. And when when you're looking around going uh oh,
Speaker 6: I've made a big mistake by choosing to work with
Speaker 6: this energy. That's that's a recipe for disaster. So how
Speaker 6: nice to be like, Listen, I have thoughts. Some other
Speaker 6: people have thoughts.
Speaker 5: I will tell you when.
Speaker 6: They're my thoughts and when they come from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just rub your chin, just scratch your shoulder when
Speaker 3: it's not when it's not your idea. I love that.
Speaker 3: It's funny on that. Oh we're winding up, guys. Is
Speaker 3: there anything in this else in this episode we need
Speaker 3: to talk about. Let's see, the music was great, I
Speaker 3: had orange hair. Still, this really is a problem. There
Speaker 3: were so many blue dresses in this episode too, which
Speaker 3: is also strange. I don't know if you noticed blue dresses.
Speaker 6: There was a lot of attempts at interjecting. I feel
Speaker 6: like we kind of glossed over. We talked about it
Speaker 6: a little bit, but I feel like we glossed over
Speaker 6: the Nathan and Haley stuff. But I guess maybe it's
Speaker 6: because you just had to sit there and be a
Speaker 6: captive audience, right, And then the relief came in the end,
Speaker 6: and then we got that beautiful sequence with you guys
Speaker 6: outside talking about your lives, and we finally got our
Speaker 6: Avi Brothers song that the episode is titled after, and
Speaker 6: it it felt like such a nice respite for you too.
Speaker 6: I guess I just wanted to say that. I really
Speaker 6: I really loved the way it wrapped up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you had a great moment. I think it's
Speaker 4: after the news breaks and there's the sigh of relief
Speaker 4: and Nathan says, you know, I'm so sorry, Haley. I
Speaker 4: shouldn't have been at that party drinking yes and you
Speaker 4: and you Haley responded with, dude, like you actually say
Speaker 4: you're still young. I think we forget that sometimes. I
Speaker 4: thought that was such a good moment because he was
Speaker 4: kind of he was kind of right, but he was
Speaker 4: kind of just raking himself over the coals, and I
Speaker 4: love that, Like what a loving partner thing to do
Speaker 4: to go now you can take yourself off that hook. Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're allowed to go out and drink and have
Speaker 3: a fun time without having someone launch it attack against you.
Speaker 6: Will we have a listener question kid, before we move on,
Speaker 6: We have a question from Sarah Beth. And this is
Speaker 6: a pretty big episode about people's journeys, so maybe we
Speaker 6: have thoughts. She asks, if your character had a time capsule,
Speaker 6: what three items would they include and what do those
Speaker 6: items represent about their journey?
Speaker 4: My goodness, I think for Clay it would be Sarah
Speaker 4: qua in Cherry, the box in the capsule. It's a
Speaker 4: very big capsule humans, because those are his three loves. Well,
Speaker 4: Cherry was a chair that we meet in like season nine.
Speaker 6: I think that's right.
Speaker 4: He's like irrationally obsessed with So I would say it's
Speaker 4: the three loves of Clay's life, Sarah and Cherry.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's a quick answer.
Speaker 4: I got a pee, guys, I had that one locked
Speaker 4: and loaded.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll move fast, Haley is gonna have I mean,
Speaker 3: I would say it a little bracelet, you know, the
Speaker 3: little Crackerjack bracelet. Except what happens if the time capsule
Speaker 3: gets like a dug up by some Hooligan kids and
Speaker 3: then she loses it forever. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: think Haley's going to bury some things in a time capsule.
Speaker 3: Maybe Jamie's like bracelet from the hospital and.
Speaker 5: A yearbook.
Speaker 3: And I think she probably stole Julius Caesar from Lucas
Speaker 3: and put that in the time capsule.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that feels right. I feel like Brooke would have
Speaker 6: either one of her campaign posters or that Brooke Davis
Speaker 6: for president Penn was running for student council president change
Speaker 6: the course of her life. I feel like she would
Speaker 6: probably have one of those first dresses that she feverishly
Speaker 6: sewed like a magical worker. Yes, for the first close
Speaker 6: over Bros. Launch. And then I think she would put
Speaker 6: Julian's letterman jacket.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, I'm amending mine because now I think she
Speaker 3: needs Quentin's paper on limiz.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: I think that's going in the time capsule too.
Speaker 5: Okay, I love that.
Speaker 6: Oh cu Well, now let's spin a wheel.
Speaker 2: Oh what do we have to.
Speaker 4: Most likely to only date someone with a compatible zodiac sign?
Speaker 3: Idea? Is anyone neurotic enough for that in real life?
Speaker 3: That we know? Superstitious? Like really superstitious I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna I'm gonna go out and say Zelda from episode seven.
Speaker 6: Yes, upcoming Zelda, honestly genius. I agree, co sign so good. Yes, guys,
Speaker 6: we have to get into it. Let's get right into
Speaker 6: seven o eight friends. I mean you'll get it next week,
Speaker 6: but we're going to dive into season seven, episode eight.
Speaker 6: I just died in your arms tonight.
Speaker 3: Can't wait.
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