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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: All about that high school drama girl drama, girl, all

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Speaker 2: about them.

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Speaker 3: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride, and

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Speaker 3: our comic girl sharing for the right teams. Drama Queens,

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Speaker 3: Jlie's my girl, up girl fashion, but your tough girl,

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Speaker 3: you could sit with us.

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Speaker 2: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.

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Speaker 4: Can I begin this episode with a personal announcement, yes please, yes, Okay, Well,

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Speaker 4: as of last week, it's official, I have officially caught

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Speaker 4: one tree Hill fever. Yeah, Here's how it went down.

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Speaker 3: Is it plaguing you while you sleep? Tell us what

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 4: It's kind of all consuming. What happened is I wasn't

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Speaker 4: available for episode seven oh six, so Sof and Janet

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Speaker 4: did that one. And what that meant for me was

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Speaker 4: though I got to watch the episode just as a viewer,

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Speaker 4: I don't have to take any notes, I gotta tell

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Speaker 4: you I loved it.

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Speaker 3: I had so much fun.

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Speaker 4: I laughed at myself. I was like shushing Jenny, like quiet.

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Speaker 4: It's getting really tense between Clay and Quinn, Like I

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Speaker 4: was so emotionally invested and I laughed, I went there

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Speaker 4: it is. I caught it.

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Speaker 3: I caught now you know why?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I already got it, but now I can say

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Speaker 4: it's it's in my blood.

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Speaker 3: I love that. I'm on board. I'm on board. We

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Speaker 3: gotta get now, we just have to get you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I guess this is good for a late night. If

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Speaker 3: you're up late for some reason, you can you can

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Speaker 3: watch all the episodes that you weren't in so you

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Speaker 3: can really catch up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have that kind of free time these days, Joy,

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Speaker 4: I plan on watching five season, six seasons of the show.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely. I mean just the fact that you know it's

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Speaker 6: so easy for you to record this show that you

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Speaker 6: don't even have to leave your home. I know, you

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Speaker 6: don't have to go to a hotel.

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Speaker 4: No, no, guys, I am swimming in free time these days.

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Speaker 4: So yes, absolutely, Robi, we got some we got some

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Speaker 4: stuff to talk about it.

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Speaker 6: Oh, we have a lot to talk about. But before

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Speaker 6: we move on from your Rob Buckley's hotel adventures, I

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Speaker 6: did want to save for the friends at home who

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Speaker 6: can't see you. I noticed that today you're in a

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Speaker 6: room with only one bed instead of two, and it

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Speaker 6: looks as though you have a kitchenette. What's going on

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Speaker 6: at the front desk of the local hotel? Are they like,

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Speaker 6: have they caught on that this is where you work

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Speaker 6: now and now they're upgrading your features? Or was this

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Speaker 6: just like a surprise today?

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Speaker 4: You tell me I was wondering the same thing, right,

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Speaker 4: because here's the deal. I gained a kitchenette, but I

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Speaker 4: lost a bed. So either they've realized I might be

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Speaker 4: a big fish, or they're like, this guy can have

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Speaker 4: the dregs and they just threw me in the last

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Speaker 4: room they had. I like to think I got upgraded

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Speaker 4: to a microwave.

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Speaker 6: I think you got upgraded.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you did too.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: They know you don't need two beds in there. You're

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Speaker 3: not even using the one now figured out you're not

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Speaker 3: bringing up a little uh side piece.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean listen, they didn't have to figure

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Speaker 4: anything out. Remember last week I shouted that, like like

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Speaker 4: an absolute psychopath, I don't use the beds. What this

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Speaker 6: Well, well, congratulations on your upgrade.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I can't I can't wait just to settle

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Speaker 4: up with my microwave in a box of hot pockets

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Speaker 4: and make it up.

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Speaker 6: It's going to say popcorn man, Like, you should just

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Speaker 6: be making popcorn for these episodes in that microwave every week.

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Speaker 4: The audience would love listening to me chomping on popcorn

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Speaker 4: throughout the entire episode too.

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Speaker 6: Joy and I had to learn that lesson early on was.

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Speaker 4: Will of you chewing gum?

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Speaker 3: Because so fire our snackers?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we sort of assumed, like, well, they'll take

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Speaker 6: the sounds of us eating out, and then our suite

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Speaker 6: editors were like, you know, that's really complicated on a

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Speaker 6: there's people talking while you two were eating, and we were.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah.

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Speaker 6: Right, sorry about that.

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Speaker 3: So we didn't notice until people started commenting. They were like,

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Speaker 4: Wait, was this also at a time where you thought

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Speaker 4: this might not live on on YouTube? So you thought

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Speaker 6: Know, if we're sitting and we're recording, it's breakfast time

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Speaker 6: and we're all eating, that's one thing. But what I

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Speaker 6: that were getting cut together for social and I was like,

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Speaker 6: what is this the snack Olympics? Like how many things

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Speaker 6: did I eat in fifty six minutes yesterday? I didn't

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Speaker 6: It was like a montage food marathon.

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Speaker 4: I don't mind it, though, because I think, first of all,

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Speaker 4: as you know, I love snacks, and also it's a

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Speaker 4: really fun conversation piece, Like yeah, just before we started recording,

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Speaker 4: I said, hey, so far, is that a dried mango?

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Speaker 6: I see you snacks mango chili lime. In fact, it

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Speaker 6: is Robert Buckley, it is.

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Speaker 4: It's fun. Food's fun.

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Speaker 3: Food is fun when it's good. So fun, guys.

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Speaker 6: I feel excited about our It's not a snack marathon,

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Speaker 6: but we are doing a recording marathon today for our

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Speaker 6: friends at home. The way our schedules have worked this week,

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Speaker 6: we're actually going to get into episodes seven and eight

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Speaker 6: of season seven, and the whiplash from intensity to pure comedy.

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Speaker 6: I have experienced getting ready for today. I feel like

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Speaker 6: you did Rob watching seven oh six. I have had

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Speaker 6: the best time just I.

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Speaker 5: Have been laughing.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my god, we are funny. I'm really

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Speaker 6: excited to get into this with you too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a good time. So all right, we

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Speaker 3: have season seven, episode seven, I and Love and You.

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Speaker 3: It's the title of an Avid Brothers song. Air date

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Speaker 3: October twenty six, two thousand and nine. I was wondering,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, this feels like a Halloween episode. I

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Speaker 3: bet this was October. Yeah. Dan brings Renee onto his

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Speaker 3: her true desires. And this episode was directed. I believe

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Speaker 3: this is James Lafferty's WHOA Yeah directed this. It's so good.

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Speaker 6: H and what thing that the device of where everyone

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Speaker 6: is going to watch this show gave you, guys really

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Speaker 6: isolated time in the Haley and Nathan house so that

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Speaker 6: he could have all of our other scenes to really

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Speaker 6: It's such a cool I just feel like it's such

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 4: I thought that the use of Dan's show as the

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Speaker 4: And the just the detention of how it was going

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Speaker 3: The dialogue about falling in love and like going to

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Yeah, I wrote that one down when

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Speaker 4: he said Dan says, we're not victims when it comes

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Speaker 4: to love and happiness.

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Speaker 6: We're assassin's assassins.

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Speaker 4: Dan slash Paul just crushed this episode. He was so

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Speaker 4: damn good, so good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he always shows up. He's so reliable. He just

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Speaker 3: at him. It's great.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's just really, really good. In this stage of

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Speaker 6: Dan Scott's life and this talk show host arena, it

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Speaker 6: I thought that, you know, to your point, Rob, the

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Speaker 6: were moments like that for everyone, you know, Yeah, Sarah's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's perfect for Dan's ego. Yet it's also

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Speaker 4: the perfect device for questioning whether he's actually changed. Given

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Speaker 3: It feels like he's really genuinely trying to change. The

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Speaker 3: more that this goes on, I mean, I really loved

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Speaker 4: How about when they are backstage, Renee says, mister Scott,

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Speaker 4: what happened between you and Nathan and Paul Goes I

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Speaker 4: murdered his uncle, amongst other things. I'll see you out there,

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Speaker 4: just totally matter of fact, nonchalant.

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Speaker 3: And also almost ran into the doorframe. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you caught that.

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: He leaned forward when he said the line, and then

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Speaker 3: it seems like he's genuinely changing. But yeah, but then

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Speaker 3: of Lucille Ball was she on the Dick Cavit Show

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Speaker 3: or something, and she he's walking through the audience and

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Speaker 3: she keeps going, could you take your hands off her place?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can ask, don't.

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Speaker 4: Her?

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Speaker 3: That's right. It's really funny, And it was made me

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Speaker 3: think of that when Dan walked over and just why

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Speaker 3: are you standing behind her? And why do you have

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Speaker 3: your hands on her shoulders? And why are you being creepy?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very domineering.

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Speaker 4: Listen, he needs. He needs a class on personal space

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Speaker 4: and boundaries, because do you remember how awkward he made

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Speaker 4: it with the freaking twizzlers, the red vines and the

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Speaker 4: intern you get last up or two episodes ago, and

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Speaker 4: I was like, he got right up in that ear

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It took me a second to even realize what was

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Speaker 4: Which also means that he went back to wherever their

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Speaker 4: Dude?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And David knows Nathan and Haley's house. Well, we've

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Speaker 3: No, he was making a statement. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: the statement was, because it sure A's hall was petty

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Speaker 6: It just seems so silly to me.

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Speaker 4: It is it is. Could you imagine though, if we

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Speaker 6: It was so long ago that I'll say it feels

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Speaker 3: It's just ooh, it's so petty.

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Speaker 4: Why, I mean, seriously, imagine what that looked like, like,

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Speaker 3: And the fact that it's not at where Quinn is staying,

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Speaker 6: How great would a scene have been for you to

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Speaker 6: Nathan and Quinn is like, can I do anything? I'll

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Speaker 6: And you guys, hear the doorbell ring and you like

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Speaker 4: None of that looks like it's gonna fit me, buddy,

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Speaker 6: It God, it just felt so special to get to

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Speaker 4: Oh thanks. I and Amanda school was so great. I

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Speaker 3: I loved that.

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Speaker 4: It was fantastic, And because I knew what the end

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Speaker 4: it made it especially devastating. Oh, it was like a

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we just find out in seven o seven

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I went her name, that's right. Yeah. On the bridge,

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Speaker 4: Oh?

441
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, she probably can't do a lot of other things.

442
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 3: For the sake of continuity, Do you remember any of

443
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: those conversations she's dead?

444
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 4: Joy, she has a lot of free time to kill.

445
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: Okay, but but I'm feeling like she can't go to

446
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 3: your microwave and make popcorn or like you know, get

447
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 3: into the pots and pans.

448
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 4: So I do remember us sort of laying a couple

449
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 4: of ground rules, and yes, I think it was interaction.

450
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 3: Did you even touch?

451
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,719
Speaker 6: No, only jumping off the bridge.

452
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 4: That was That was when she was alive.

453
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 6: Oh that's right, of course, because it's the flashback. Of course.

454
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 4: Of course, the first time we meet her at trick,

455
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 4: right when she disappears next to me, if you recall,

456
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 4: there was a moment where I say come home with me,

457
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 4: and she says, well that that's up to you, isn't it.

458
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 4: That's the first hint that she's not real, she's a

459
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 4: fig play's imagination. And then yes, from there on out,

460
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 4: every flashback she's you know, she's she's isolated. She does

461
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 4: not interact with anything you know, real, because you're exactly right.

462
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 4: Then then we're sort of breaking the rules of like reality.

463
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 4: So no, she always sort of stayed on her own.

464
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 4: One thing that I liked, I thought was I wrote

465
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 4: down you know, because she she starts calling Clay on

466
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 4: liking Quinn. She calls him out, and she says, why'd

467
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 4: you send her away? You like her? And my note was,

468
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 4: you know, about to get serious when the dead wife

469
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 4: goes to bat for the new girl. Yeah, oh okay.

470
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 4: But it's it's this cute thing though, where it's like

471
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 4: she really knows Clay, and also she's a figment of

472
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 4: Clay's imagination, so like, of course she does, but it's

473
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: sort of added to the sweetness because there's like a

474
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 4: scene in seven oh eight where she says, like you.

475
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 4: She says like Clay says, I could never love anyone

476
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 4: the way I loved you, and she says something to

477
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: the effect of Quinn and and I said no, and

478
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: she goes, I can always tell when you are lying. Yeah,

479
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 4: She's just that sweet thing of like I see you

480
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 4: come on. Yeah.

481
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 6: Well, And one of the things I thought was really, again,

482
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 6: it's it's profound to me in ways now that I

483
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 6: don't think I could have understood it then. But when

484
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 6: you guys have this conversation when you are at the

485
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 6: record player and you're turning on that song and we're

486
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 6: finally going to get to and what happened, and I

487
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 6: wrote down, I was like, oh my god, the record.

488
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 6: Oh my god, they're dancing. Oh, I have goosebumps. I

489
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 6: know what's coming. Like I was panicking because I knew

490
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 6: that this phase of learning about you too was about

491
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 6: to get pierced for me. And I've thought the way

492
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 6: you talked about forgetting things about her and being so

493
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 6: afraid that you're going to lose you two, I'm afraid

494
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 6: I'm losing us. I don't remember certain things. I don't

495
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 6: remember what you smelled, like the god the way that

496
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 6: just like cut me to the core. Because there is

497
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 6: and people don't always talk about it, there is a

498
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 6: trauma years after losing someone about letting anyone else into

499
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 6: this place that the person who's died occupied, Like how

500
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 6: do you let someone into that space in your heart?

501
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 6: Into that room? Does someone moving into it, you know,

502
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 6: take away what you can hold on to of this

503
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 6: person that you've lost. And I thought her telling you

504
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 6: to open the door was so it was like there

505
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 6: was nothing she could say in response, because that's your

506
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 6: pain and just to say you have to, like you're

507
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 6: still here, open the door. It has to change at

508
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 6: some point. There was space for all of it, and

509
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 6: none of it was downplayed. And again just as a

510
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 6: person now who's been through loss that I hadn't been

511
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 6: at twenty seven. I cherished the way you guys got

512
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 6: to handle that. It was beautiful.

513
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 4: And I love that the speech isn't I'm lonely, I

514
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: miss you. It's not fair. I love that it's that

515
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 4: I'm losing you to me just spoke to like how

516
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: much he loved her, and not just being married and

517
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 4: having a partner, but it was specifically about her and

518
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 4: fun slash sad. Behind the scenes of that scene, I

519
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 4: remember rehearsing it and liking the way it felt, liking

520
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: the emotion where I was at emotionally, and then us

521
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 4: shooting my coverage and I didn't feel like I got

522
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 4: to where I wanted. And I was so upset with

523
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 4: myself because I was like James was a buddy, and

524
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 4: I remember afterwards when he was like, it's great, we

525
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 4: got it, and I remember I was so upset with myself.

526
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: I actually started crying, like I kind of just choked

527
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 4: up apologizing him, but I walked away and like, actually

528
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 4: was I was so upset with myself that I felt

529
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: like I was a good story I was telling myself.

530
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 4: Was I'm letting my friend down and then I was

531
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: actually crying, like I was like I thought I wanted

532
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 4: to do in the scene in the scene. So it

533
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 4: was funny to watch it back now and go like,

534
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: that's a totally fine level right there. Yeah, you didn't

535
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: need to be weeping.

536
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 3: No, I have. Actually, that's a huge note that I

537
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: have in this that you. I am consistently impressed and

538
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: surprised by you, Rob because your subtlety, your groundedness. Watching

539
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: that performance in particular, what you're talking about made me

540
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: feel safe as an audience member, like I didn't feel

541
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: like I was watching an actor that was performing. And

542
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: there's a have you ever seen a play or you

543
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 3: watch just something and you're like, ooh. I went to

544
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: see some shows recently in the West End and there

545
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: was there was a particular actress in a role that

546
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: was really a wonderful actress, but she has had trouble

547
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: hitting the high notes, and every time she started to

548
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: sing and get close to the notes, you could tell

549
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: everybody was like holding their breath a little bit, like, oh,

550
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: oh God.

551
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: Are you going to get it?

552
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: Are you going to get there? And it's not a

553
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: great feeling as an audience member. You really want to relax.

554
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: And I felt like when I watched that performance that

555
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: you gave, I felt so safe, Like I wasn't worried

556
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: at all. It wasn't like is he gonna cry? Is

557
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: it gonna are you milking it? Is he going to

558
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: be like trying to take his moment to be emotional

559
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: and show everybody that he can cry on camera. No,

560
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: you were just so dropped in to me. It felt

561
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 3: like you were exactly realistically, because loss isn't all of

562
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: a sudden like that. It like what you're talking about,

563
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: Sophie takes It takes a long time. You know, there's

564
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 3: the initial shock and then there's the anger and the

565
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: bargaining and all the steps that you go through. But

566
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: he's holding on to her because it does take a

567
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: long time to like let go slowly like untangle. And

568
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: that's what I felt from that performance. So whatever was

569
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: going on in your head, that was just some negative

570
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: self talk, man, because.

571
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 4: You rock down, Yeah, which I was. I had a

572
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: lot of back then. The other thing too, is that

573
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: this might be a conversation he's had with her fifty times. Yeah,

574
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: you might have had this conversation every single night, you know,

575
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: so it's another reason why, like it might not be

576
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: explosive because this might be the thirtieth time he's saying

577
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: these words to her, you know. So I remember wanting

578
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: just to keep it honest. That's always the north Stars,

579
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: like is it honest? Is this honest and grounded? But

580
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 4: I was at the tail end of my because this

581
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 4: was still early in my career where I thought sadness

582
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 4: equal tears.

583
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: Sure we all did in our twenties, we all did.

584
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: I was like, keep it honest, but if it's sad,

585
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: I need to cry. And so there was this budding

586
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 4: of heads. I was like, that work felt honest, but

587
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: I didn't cry. So I missed the mark.

588
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you? What was your You may have

589
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: talked about this, and forgive me if you have, but

590
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: remind me a bit about your experience as an actor

591
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: before this show, Like were you hired to do dramatic

592
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: work a lot or were you doing mostly comedy or.

593
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 4: No a drama? Are you so my first kind of

594
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: first job was a nighttime soap opera shout out to

595
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 4: remember my network TV channel thirteen in La I did.

596
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 4: I did a nighttime soap, did sixty episodes as a

597
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: self contained series, did another nighttime soap, and then my

598
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: next like proper job was Lipstick Jungle. So it was yeah,

599
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 4: you know it was It wasn't like HBO drama, but

600
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: it was, you know, like One Tree Hill level drama. However,

601
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 4: I will say going back watching this, this was me

602
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: getting thrown into the deep end. I had never had

603
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 4: to do real pain, because this is a different kind

604
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 4: of pain.

605
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: Like losing, That's what I'm saying.

606
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, this was a This was a first for me,

607
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: which is again I had no touchstone for this role,

608
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: so I didn't know if like, yeah, am I am

609
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: I doing this love story of disservice by not being

610
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 4: more devastated, you know, because all I'd ever done before

611
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: is like I got cheated on my girlfriend dumped me.

612
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 6: But I love him.

613
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh So it was a first. Yeah,

614
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: I mean this dude, Clay, Like I was saying, like Hillary,

615
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 4: I remember listening last season to the show and going, dude,

616
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: she's getting put through the ringer, And I thought about

617
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: my thing. And then in an episode with her when

618
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: she was like, tell me if you've ever your character

619
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: ever went through these things, and I realized, oh my gosh,

620
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 4: you know, Clay's got put through.

621
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 6: It too, uh huh yeah.

622
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 4: And then at least at least as the show goes on,

623
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: Clay gets to sort of he walks through fire, but

624
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 4: then he gets out on the happy, silly side, you know.

625
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, how fun though that you get to you really

626
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: got to dive in emotionally, dig deep, emotionally do.

627
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: The funeral scene. I remember shooting that, yeah, and it

628
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 4: was just me in a coffin, you know, and again

629
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, what does this look like?

630
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: Losing something? And I remember so again this is very

631
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 4: early on for me, but I remember I didn't I

632
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 4: didn't really know the best way to do this. So

633
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 4: I was just like, I just got to stay in

634
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 4: the sorrow pocket. So for about a day or two

635
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 4: leading up to that scene, I was just isolate in

636
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: my apartment watching a lot of that movie The Fountain.

637
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: Have you seen that with Rachel Weiss and Hugh Jackman,

638
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: devastating If you haven't, there's this scene in it where

639
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 4: it's a Darren Aronofski film. So I understand about twenty

640
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: eight percent of the whole movie, but it's about a

641
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: doctor who's working on a cure for this rare disease

642
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: that his wife has and is going to be dying

643
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: from soon. And it's so it's him like racing against

644
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 4: time to try to save the love of his life.

645
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: But there's this one scene where he comes home from

646
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 4: a late night of work and he just like snuggles.

647
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: She's asleep in bed, and he snuggles up next to

648
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 4: her and he lays there for a moment, and then

649
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: he gets out of bed and he tiptoes to the

650
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 4: bathroom and he just weeps as quietly as he can.

651
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 4: And I remember that resonated with me. So I just

652
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: watched that movie for like a day and a half

653
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: because I didn't know again like I have to cry

654
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: because that's the only way to show how sad I am.

655
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: So it was it was not efficient.

656
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: What sort of director was James in that environment because

657
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: he was pretty new, Like how did he handle He.

658
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 4: Was great because he was hands off. I think maybe

659
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: he could tell I was putting myself through it enough

660
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: and I I I think he came over to my

661
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: apartment and we sat down and we talked through all

662
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 4: of our stuff. So that kind of freed us up

663
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 4: on the day for him, like for us to do

664
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 4: a blocking rehearsal, and then it was just sort of

665
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 4: like go, yeah, you know, we'll find it, you know,

666
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: And so there was a lot of freedom with it

667
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: with him. That's great, but yeah, but this was like

668
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: I remember the stress of this episode because it's like,

669
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: I'm the new guy. I've always told myself I'm not

670
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: a guy who cries. I don't know how to do that,

671
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I'm like, come on, a

672
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 4: dead wife and a funeral.

673
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 6: No, oh god, Rob, I can't remember. It's murky for

674
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 6: me because I know that I gave this book because

675
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 6: I couldn't stop talking about it when it came out.

676
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 6: To our boss. In two thousand and seven, this book

677
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 6: called Love Is a Mixtape came out and this incredible writer,

678
00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 6: Rob Sheffield, who comes from like music journalism, like you know,

679
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 6: he's like the real deal. Peyton Sawyer. He wrote this

680
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 6: memoir about his wife dying of a brain aneurysm in

681
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 6: their house, and it was like, it's still one of

682
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 6: the most beautiful books I've ever read in my life.

683
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 6: And the whole thing he sort of takes you on

684
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 6: this nonlinear journey of like the albums they fell in

685
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 6: love to and the concerts they used to go to,

686
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 6: and how all of this music helps him process this

687
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 6: unimaginable loss. Did I give you a copy of the book.

688
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

689
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 6: God, what a I bungled it, missed opportunity. I think

690
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 6: I must have assumed, like, oh, well, they'll tell you

691
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 6: to read this book because like none you know, in season,

692
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 6: I guess it would have been five, like nobody stopped

693
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 6: talking about it.

694
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 4: You know.

695
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 6: They always say, if you want something done right, do

696
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 6: it yourself. Not necessarily that you would like to really

697
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 6: dip back into it, but if you have any free

698
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 6: time coming up for any reason lately soon. What are

699
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 6: the words I'm looking for?

700
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 3: Can I speak to you words?

701
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 4: Can I just tell you? Your English is getting so

702
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 4: much better, Sophia?

703
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 6: Thank you so much better now than when I was,

704
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 6: like in journalism school. But it's so beautiful. And again,

705
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 6: I don't think I could have understood it then the

706
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 6: way I feel like I can understand it watching you

707
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 6: do it now. The encouragement to push tears, which all

708
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 6: of us got in our twenties, like can you just

709
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 6: make it a little more emotional? Can we just get

710
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 6: like a tear? What a weird sense of direction to

711
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 6: give a young person, but to be able to play

712
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 6: actual pain rather than to try to show it off.

713
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 6: It made me think watching you do this episode in particular,

714
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 6: a lot about the book, about certain ways that the

715
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 6: author described this sort of pain that burned so big

716
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 6: that it almost hollowed you out, Like it felt so

717
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 6: enormous that you almost couldn't feel anything at all. And

718
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 6: the way that you're explaining letting yourself feel it instead

719
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 6: of trying to push it out of you. I guess

720
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 6: this is the most long winded way of saying I

721
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 6: think you did it perfectly.

722
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you for saying that. Yeah, I was curious

723
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: to see what to hear what your thoughts on it were,

724
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 4: because I will be honest, when I watched it, half

725
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 4: of me was like, okay, that's that's grounded, like okay,

726
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 4: and the other half of me felt like I was

727
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: watching a little kid play dress up. Like I was

728
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: going like I hope and I hope other people are

729
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: on like it's just because it's me, And I also

730
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: know where I was back then. But I remember at

731
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 4: the time after this episode aired, a friends, a friend

732
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: of a friend reached out to me and said he

733
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 4: had lost his wife to a brain in years he

734
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: and he basically said, he's like you, you played that

735
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: beautifully and that that is what that pain was like.

736
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: And it was. Yeah, it was so nice because again,

737
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 4: especially back then with like my imposter syndrome, I was like,

738
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: I bricked it. That was terrible. So to have this

739
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 4: grown man say I felt like you told that story,

740
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 4: well it was. It was a really nice atta boy

741
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: to get back here. Yeah, And I think it just

742
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: also it really helps immediately make sense of everything we've

743
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 4: seen Clay doing so far in terms of being distant.

744
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: I don't believe in love non committal, You're like, who,

745
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 4: I completely get it. And I also love the way

746
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 4: that we got to flash back and see David and Quinn. Yeah,

747
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 4: because we've had nothing substantive bear excuse me, very very

748
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 4: little substantive from these twoses, and this was the first

749
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 4: time where it's like, great, now we see where it

750
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: used to.

751
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: Be, see how the change. Yeah, now we're getting the

752
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: real answer. It's not just like oh we changed. Oh,

753
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, okay, he's throwing your clothes on the

754
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 3: lawn of some other guy, and okay. There was an

755
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: obsession about money and there was this like you're starting

756
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 3: to see how the pieces are coming together. Flashbacks were

757
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: really really useful. And one time Rob when you you

758
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: didn't look like you were playing dress up as a

759
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: little boy in that scene, but the scene that you

760
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: did was when you walked out in the suit and

761
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: the way that you were holding your body and the

762
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 3: way before she proposed to you with your arms forward

763
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: and she's like, just brought some jeans.

764
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: That's good because that scene that's what we were going for.

765
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: Yes, it made me that was so so great, So

766
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 3: it's really funny. But yeah, the flashbacks were really useful

767
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: and I thought they did them. We've always done flashbacks

768
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: pretty well on our show. I like that that's a

769
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: device that we use often, you too. One thing that

770
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: was super weird to me was the house party with

771
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: Renee just by the way. I don't know if any

772
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 3: did you guys notice that that, like all the lights

773
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: were on. I'm like, what time is this party?

774
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: And who fun?

775
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: It was so bright in there. It was so bright.

776
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: It was also a little bit heavy handed that Clay goes,

777
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 4: he goes, all right, I got to take the picture,

778
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 4: and I go, okay, make it sexy but not too sexy.

779
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: That'll cost us twenty million next year. And I took

780
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 4: the picture.

781
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, guys, look there it is there, there it is.

782
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

783
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: I liked that. We we we finally get to see

784
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 4: Brooke tell Julian that she was planning on proposing on

785
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: the beach.

786
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, all these reverse proposals, It's fun.

787
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 4: That was such a beautiful, sad moment that I was

788
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: kind of disappointed that that was just going to be

789
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 4: where it it lived and died, and so I was

790
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 4: really happy this episode that Brooks circled back and told him.

791
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: That yeah, I am too.

792
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 6: It felt really important and what I appreciate in the

793
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 6: same way that I felt like I got to understand

794
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 6: Clay's behavior because we got to learn where he came from.

795
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 6: I got to understand this idea. I thought the flashbacks

796
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 6: with Quinn and David that you were just talking about

797
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 6: joy finally let us understand what that line. People are

798
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 6: allowed to change and then and they're allowed not to.

799
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 6: I was like, I get it. I see it. I

800
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 6: see how he changed and thought it was great, and

801
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 6: I see how him changing absolutely broke her heart. They

802
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 6: just grew apart. I get it. And what I like

803
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 6: is that I got the backstory for these two new

804
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 6: characters that we already have. For Brooke Davis, yeah, like

805
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 6: we know how deeply imprinted she has been by Lucas's betrayal,

806
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 6: by feeling as though she, you know, isn't the one

807
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 6: whoever really gets chosen that, you know. I think one

808
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 6: of the things I now feel weirdly even more connected

809
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 6: to her on is this feedback of well, you have

810
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 6: a really big life, and it's really hard for someone

811
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 6: to be with you, and it's it's especially hard for

812
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 6: a man to not have his ego bruised when his

813
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 6: girl is fill in the blank, like to see all

814
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 6: of that stuff in her come out in that sad,

815
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 6: sad moment when he asks on the doc did you

816
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 6: mean it? And she says I did then and he says,

817
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 6: but not anymore. I wanted to sob I was like,

818
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 6: what does Brooke answer?

819
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 4: What do you say?

820
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: She says, I'm not sure, I don't know.

821
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, she says, I don't know anymore.

822
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting? How time, you know, you can feel

823
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: so passionately in what moment and then like a couple

824
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 3: of few things happen and you're like yeah.

825
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 6: And you can think you know where you stand with someone,

826
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 6: and then something happens, you learn something, and you go, oh,

827
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 6: everything I thought isn't really the full picture? And is

828
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 6: this full picture safe for me? Is this full picture

829
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 6: good for me? And I loved and I think we

830
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 6: talked about this a little bit last week. So often

831
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 6: we move through things so fast on this show, and

832
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 6: finally it feels like we're in a ton where we're

833
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 6: letting things breathe. I like that they didn't clean it up.

834
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 6: I like that she said I don't know anymore, and

835
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 6: I loved that instead of trying to convince her, he

836
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 6: admits that he didn't know, and then he just apologizes.

837
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: And he's like, I'm still here, Okay, this is where

838
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 3: we are now.

839
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sorry that I hurt you. And it just

840
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 6: has to be there. And she has to work through

841
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 6: everything from her past that's triggered, everything he did in

842
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 6: the present that wasn't really up to par and figure

843
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 6: out can I make room for this person to be

844
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 6: a flawed human or are their flaws going to harm

845
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 6: the human that I am?

846
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 3: And that is the thing. The fact that he'd dote,

847
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 3: you're right, The fact that he does just stay right there,

848
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: because you could do that forever, right, grab pieces of

849
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: information to complete the picture. I don't know if we

850
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: ever get a full complete picture of another person, even

851
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: if it's your spouse or your child, Like I, you know,

852
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: we could never be anybody of it than ourselves. Yeah,

853
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: so you're always going to be gathering new pieces of information,

854
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: which then could change the narrative about how you feel

855
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: or what you think, or how you want to approach

856
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: your relationship with them.

857
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

858
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: But the mark of someone who is willing to just

859
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 3: stay there and be like, Okay, the new information makes

860
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: you feel differently, I'm here for that. Let's see what

861
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: happens next.

862
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he responded, rather than reacted.

863
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 6: Yes.

864
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

865
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 6: And it was so refreshing to see it modeled, especially

866
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 6: on our show, because you know, we did fall into

867
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 6: a lot of early and mid aux tropes, and we

868
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 6: did have a lot of really bad behavior. And I

869
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 6: just love how grown up all this stuff feels everything

870
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 6: we're dealing with in this season. You know, even even

871
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 6: watching Nathan and Haley go through this, you guys being

872
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 6: trapped having to watch this show the way I felt

873
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 6: as a viewer and a friend when it finally clicks,

874
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 6: and Renee bursts into tears because she knows she screwed up,

875
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 6: and he finally bursts into tears because it's been so

876
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 6: awful and she's actually finally taking her first deep breath.

877
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 6: Like the humanity of everyone feels really real and it

878
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 6: doesn't feel tropy and it doesn't feel soapy in it. Yeah,

879
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 6: and it's I don't know, I felt really proud of

880
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 6: us watching this.

881
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 3: You knew that even back then, though, because I have

882
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 3: this in my little one of my little notes says,

883
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: relaxed Brook. Relaxed Brook because you had your like sweatshirt

884
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: on or whatever, this like loose t shirt was. Your

885
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: hair wasn't done. I mean you looked really pretty, but

886
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: like you're it wasn't the Brook that we're always seeing

887
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: with the makeup and that. It was just like I

888
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: love that you even had that instinct back then, Like

889
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: we're just doing raw humanity right now. Can we please

890
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 3: stop with like Brooke needs a break?

891
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I don't need full pin curls for this.

892
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 6: You guys please.

893
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 3: Really served the story though. It was a great choice.

894
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's nice to be able to be a little

895
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 6: bit bear as an actor to match your appearance to

896
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 6: your emotion, because Brooke is really a raw nerve in

897
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 6: this and I think it would have, to your point,

898
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 6: felt really weird. If she was in a full close

899
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 6: over Bros. Outfit having this conversation with Julian, we all

900
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 6: would have been like, what is going on here? When

901
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 6: does she have time to put on eyeliner?

902
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

903
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 4: Well, and it speaks to how much she's struggling. Because

904
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 4: Brooke normally is so put together, so for her to

905
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 4: not be as polished as usual speaks to the fact

906
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 4: that she's struggling.

907
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, how did it feel?

908
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 6: Joy? Because I'm wondering similarly to you know, you asking

909
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 6: Rob about what it was like to have James direct

910
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 6: his big emotional scenes. How did it feel for you

911
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 6: two to be shooting all of this stuff? You know,

912
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 6: Nathan and Haley essentially captive audience members, you know, can't

913
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 6: go outside of their own home. They're getting followed around

914
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 6: and all the things. What was it like to shoot

915
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 6: that really emotional stuff with you and James while he

916
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 6: was directing? Do do you remember or is it kind

917
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 6: of a blur?

918
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: The emotional stuff was not too difficult for me, ever,

919
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: probably because I was living in a prison of emotional

920
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: well during the time that we were filming, so I

921
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 3: think I was happy for any chance to leak. But James,

922
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: I do remember, was, as you said, to Rob, a

923
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: bit hands off with the actors, which I appreciated so much.

924
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: It's not that he didn't have ideas, it was that

925
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: he knew that he trusted us, like he knew that

926
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 3: we knew our characters. He trusted us to do our job.

927
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: He trusted the lighting guys to do their job, He

928
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: trusted the said deck to do their job, which is

929
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: really I think what a great director does. They are

930
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: quality control, as Paul Johanson would always say, like directing

931
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: is just quality control. You just show up and trust

932
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 3: that everybody else knows what they're doing, and you can

933
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: guide and you know, share your creative ideas. But we

934
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 3: don't need to like micromanage everybody's job. And so I

935
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: think James was mentored by Paul in that a lot

936
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 3: as well, and I really I really enjoyed working with him.

937
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if he likes directing and acting at

938
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: the same time. I would like to ask him that he.

939
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 4: Also, like I find so many actors who become directors

940
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 4: you know the things you don't like to hear as

941
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 4: an actor, like there is it's such a pet peeve. Man.

942
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 4: I like if, say, before the funeral scene, if a

943
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: director walked up to me and goes, okay, so in

944
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 4: this scene the love of your life is dead and

945
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 4: now you're at our coffin. It's like, bitch, I read

946
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 4: the script. You know what. I'm in a church right now,

947
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 4: I know what the scene is, like I hate it.

948
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: Or people be like, remember this is a really big scene.

949
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 4: Oh is it?

950
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: Thank you?

951
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 4: This is my first time reading these sides. Thanks for

952
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 4: that clue. It's like, yeah, go back to video if

953
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 4: that's all you have to share, Just go back to

954
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 4: video village and scream action. Yes, yes, let me work,

955
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 4: and then if you can fine tune me, fine to me,

956
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 4: but please don't come in and explain the action text

957
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 4: of the script to me.

958
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: No. It's infuriating actually, and it takes you out of

959
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: the moment because now you're like, now my pride is

960
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 3: hurt now you yeah, like right before I do this scene,

961
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 3: you're telling me that you think I'm a shy actor.

962
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 6: Thank you, And especially when you have to do a

963
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 6: scene like that, you you have to be open emotionally,

964
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 6: and I think people forget this about actors. They think

965
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 6: we have like on off switches, you know, like we're

966
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 6: wind up toys. And when you have come in completely

967
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 6: laid bare because you're getting ready to just see where

968
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 6: it goes, Yeah, and someone talks to you like you're

969
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 6: a fucking dip. At least for me, I can be like, oh,

970
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 6: interesting this person, Okay, But if I'm in that state

971
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 6: where I'm so emotionally open and I'm not prepared it,

972
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 6: it's exactly like you said, it's like it it gets

973
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 6: in me in a way that I'm like, who are

974
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 6: you what?

975
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah?

976
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 6: Do you think we do here? Do you think we

977
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 6: don't read scripts like it? It makes me so much

978
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 6: more upset than it would if I were just walking

979
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 6: down the street and it happened.

980
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, absolutely, you're so emotionally open that oh

981
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: my god for somebody to be like, So the backstory

982
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: is you're like, do you work with people who don't

983
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: do their homework?

984
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 6: Because we do our homework here.

985
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 4: Dude, especially on a TV show where the directors are

986
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 4: just guns for hire, like we live with the character

987
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 4: every single week. Yeah, you are a visitor here, but like,

988
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: it's because what really gets to me. I don't know

989
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 4: about you, but it's because for me, it's not that

990
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 4: it's just unhelpful and a waste of time. It is actually,

991
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 4: what is the word I'm looking for. It's not that

992
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 4: it's unhelpful, it's that it's like destructive. That's what I

993
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 4: was gonna say, It's destructive or counterproductive because the problem

994
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 4: is now I'm I'm pissed off at you. I'm now

995
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 4: using my energy to decide how I'm even going to

996
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 4: respond to that, and now I've all the all the

997
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 4: work where I was at now is gone because now

998
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about what a stupid thing that was

999
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 4: to say. So it's like I get infuriated exause I'm like,

1000
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 4: now I'm just pissed off at you, and I'm not

1001
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 4: even focused on the scene.

1002
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 6: Because you're being essentially you're being emotionally punched instead of

1003
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 6: emotionally hugged, and you're like, this scene requires an emotional hug.

1004
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 6: And then the worst part is, and I'm sure there's

1005
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 6: people at home being like, oh, poor auctors, the worst

1006
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 6: part is because if you if it hasn't happened to you,

1007
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 6: and you don't get how destabilizing it is. Nobody cares,

1008
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 6: nobody's sympathetic, and you're like, okay, so I have to

1009
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 6: now use my brain power to figure out how to

1010
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 6: respond to this person and not be rude, even though

1011
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 6: what they've just done is actually so rude. But if

1012
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 6: I match their energy, I'm gonna get called difficult.

1013
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1014
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 6: So it's like you have to you have to navigate

1015
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 6: this really weird experience and still be nice, sweet and cute,

1016
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 6: wild and have to roll the camera and go sob

1017
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 6: over a coffin. No, no, no, I gotta go hard.

1018
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 3: And you want to use it like I I when

1019
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 3: that stuff happens to me that in that kind of

1020
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: emotional context, I want to use it like I want

1021
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: to allow the anger to just get in even further

1022
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: because at least I can do something with it. But then,

1023
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 3: like you're saying, managing, letting the anger do what it's

1024
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 3: going to do, but also not being a rude human

1025
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: in that moment to a like you got to split

1026
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 3: your personality into all of a sudden in one moment,

1027
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 3: and like hold the left side of your personality with

1028
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: all of these emotions and anger and everything. But then

1029
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: the right side of your personality has to be like yes, ah,

1030
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: thank you so much. Could I also please have a

1031
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 3: coffee with a little cream on the side, and would

1032
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: just make that wait by my chair please?

1033
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1034
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 6: Could I please figure out how to send you away

1035
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 6: from me? Yeah, in the classiest way possible, because I

1036
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 6: would like to scream.

1037
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 4: Men don't get called difficult. So I've had a couple

1038
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 4: of times where I've I've like recently, as I do

1039
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 4: a director who we got along well, but he came

1040
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 4: up and he gave me a good note and an

1041
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: offensive note, like a stupid note like that, and I

1042
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 4: just took a beat and I looked at him and

1043
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 4: I went one of those notes was helpful. You just

1044
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 4: got my idol. You just took a moment, went because

1045
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 4: he was also an actor, and you went fair and

1046
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 4: he walked away. That's because what's nice about that is

1047
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 4: like I've let you know that that was stupid, but

1048
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 4: like we're good. I'm not carrying it into the scene

1049
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 4: with you, but yeah, I'll just go like yeah, not helpful, Yeah.

1050
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to use it or let it go.

1051
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: Just I've been learning more to just let it go,

1052
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: like like immediately just assume the best. This is a

1053
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: good person, that they want the show to be the

1054
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 3: best thing. They weren't thinking about it. I don't have

1055
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 3: time to process this, like and you just say thank

1056
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: you and let them go on their merry way, and

1057
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: then you go home and stew about it once the

1058
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: scene is over and you've cried your guts out over

1059
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 3: the coffin.

1060
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, I think what started to help me

1061
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 6: was figuring out the reframe of like we were saying, rob,

1062
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 6: when someone talks to you like that, you're standing there

1063
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 6: going do you think I'm stupid? Do you think I

1064
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 6: haven't read the script? I don't understand what we're doing.

1065
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 6: We're expending emotional energy on nonsense for me, even if

1066
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 6: it's not true. What I have found the most helpful

1067
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 6: is to go, oh, they just want to prove to

1068
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 6: me that they've also done their homework, because people know

1069
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 6: I like homework. So maybe this person who I've only

1070
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 6: known for forty eight hours really just wants me to

1071
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 6: know they've done their homework because obviously they assume I've

1072
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 6: done my homework. And that is how I have to

1073
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 6: talk myself out of the imposter syndrome. Thing that I

1074
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 6: think we all were raised with and unfortunately had encouraged

1075
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 6: in our early workspace that we shared. And it's like,

1076
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 6: I have to psych myself out of it in a

1077
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 6: different way. And if I can do that, if I

1078
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 6: can split my brain into just enough to do that,

1079
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 6: I'm like, look at me being my highest self instead

1080
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 6: of my like sensitive inner five year old.

1081
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 4: Look at that.

1082
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 6: I'll tell my therapist it's working well.

1083
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 4: And that's like over time. The two things that I

1084
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: have learned as well to sort of help me reframe

1085
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 4: that whole experience is one new directors or insecure directors

1086
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: feel like they always have to be doing something and

1087
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 4: so it could be that which has nothing to do

1088
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 4: with me. Also, especially in episodic work, there's an onset

1089
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Speaker 4: producer watching that director work, So that director may just

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Speaker 4: want the producer to see them interact doing with actors

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Speaker 4: doing something exactly.

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Speaker 3: But what actors, what they don't know is that they

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00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 3: can walk up to actors and be like, the producer's

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00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 3: watching me, and so they really want to know that

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00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: I'm giving you a note, So could you just nod

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00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 3: your head and look like I'm saying something meaningful to

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00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: you And we're totally on board, like we're nothing if

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00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 3: not collaborative. We want to make it work.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so true story. I recently work done something where

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Speaker 4: the onset producer didn't have the best ideas, but they

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00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 4: had a lot of ideas, so I could tell. At

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Speaker 4: one point the director when he came over and he

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00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 4: gave a note to myself, my co star went, is

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00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 4: that your note is at their note? And he kind

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00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 4: of like made sure they weren't looking. He said, that's

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00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 4: their note. I said, here's what we're going to do

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00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 4: going forward. When you come up to us, say pineapple

1108
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 4: and then tell us the note so that we know

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00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 4: it's not yours. So he'd looked up and be like, okay,

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00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 4: just one second, guys, we didn't get set pineapple, tip

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00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 4: your hat to her and say milady at the start

1112
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 4: of the scene. Great, you got it. I know, like,

1113
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: I don't have to do that. That's not his name.

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00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. But also he needs to know that he

1115
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 3: should be doing that with actors, because then you know

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00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 3: that he's not a terrible director.

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00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's the thing, right if he if I'm

1118
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 4: hearing him give terrible notes, I immediately go, this guy doesn't

1119
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 4: have my back. So now it's up to me to

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00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 4: make sure I don't look like an apple, right, And

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00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 4: that's not how I'm going to do my best work

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00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 4: if i'm if I'm performing and covering my butt.

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Speaker 6: Yeah no, Yeah, you want to feel safe, because it's

1124
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 6: in the safety that you relax enough to have the

1125
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 6: unexpected happen. And when when you're looking around going uh oh,

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00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 6: I've made a big mistake by choosing to work with

1127
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 6: this energy. That's that's a recipe for disaster. So how

1128
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 6: nice to be like, Listen, I have thoughts. Some other

1129
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 6: people have thoughts.

1130
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 5: I will tell you when.

1131
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 6: They're my thoughts and when they come from.

1132
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, just rub your chin, just scratch your shoulder when

1133
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: it's not when it's not your idea. I love that.

1134
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: It's funny on that. Oh we're winding up, guys. Is

1135
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: there anything in this else in this episode we need

1136
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: to talk about. Let's see, the music was great, I

1137
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: had orange hair. Still, this really is a problem. There

1138
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 3: were so many blue dresses in this episode too, which

1139
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 3: is also strange. I don't know if you noticed blue dresses.

1140
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 6: There was a lot of attempts at interjecting. I feel

1141
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 6: like we kind of glossed over. We talked about it

1142
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 6: a little bit, but I feel like we glossed over

1143
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 6: the Nathan and Haley stuff. But I guess maybe it's

1144
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 6: because you just had to sit there and be a

1145
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 6: captive audience, right, And then the relief came in the end,

1146
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 6: and then we got that beautiful sequence with you guys

1147
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 6: outside talking about your lives, and we finally got our

1148
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 6: Avi Brothers song that the episode is titled after, and

1149
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 6: it it felt like such a nice respite for you too.

1150
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 6: I guess I just wanted to say that. I really

1151
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 6: I really loved the way it wrapped up.

1152
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you had a great moment. I think it's

1153
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 4: after the news breaks and there's the sigh of relief

1154
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 4: and Nathan says, you know, I'm so sorry, Haley. I

1155
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 4: shouldn't have been at that party drinking yes and you

1156
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 4: and you Haley responded with, dude, like you actually say

1157
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 4: you're still young. I think we forget that sometimes. I

1158
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 4: thought that was such a good moment because he was

1159
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 4: kind of he was kind of right, but he was

1160
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 4: kind of just raking himself over the coals, and I

1161
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 4: love that, Like what a loving partner thing to do

1162
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 4: to go now you can take yourself off that hook. Yes.

1163
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're allowed to go out and drink and have

1164
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: a fun time without having someone launch it attack against you.

1165
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 6: Will we have a listener question kid, before we move on,

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00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 6: We have a question from Sarah Beth. And this is

1167
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 6: a pretty big episode about people's journeys, so maybe we

1168
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 6: have thoughts. She asks, if your character had a time capsule,

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00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 6: what three items would they include and what do those

1170
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 6: items represent about their journey?

1171
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 4: My goodness, I think for Clay it would be Sarah

1172
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 4: qua in Cherry, the box in the capsule. It's a

1173
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 4: very big capsule humans, because those are his three loves. Well,

1174
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 4: Cherry was a chair that we meet in like season nine.

1175
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 6: I think that's right.

1176
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 4: He's like irrationally obsessed with So I would say it's

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01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 4: the three loves of Clay's life, Sarah and Cherry.

1178
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 6: Wow, that's a quick answer.

1179
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 4: I got a pee, guys, I had that one locked

1180
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 4: and loaded.

1181
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll move fast, Haley is gonna have I mean,

1182
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 3: I would say it a little bracelet, you know, the

1183
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 3: little Crackerjack bracelet. Except what happens if the time capsule

1184
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 3: gets like a dug up by some Hooligan kids and

1185
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: then she loses it forever. I don't know. I don't

1186
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: think Haley's going to bury some things in a time capsule.

1187
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 3: Maybe Jamie's like bracelet from the hospital and.

1188
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 5: A yearbook.

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01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 3: And I think she probably stole Julius Caesar from Lucas

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01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: and put that in the time capsule.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that feels right. I feel like Brooke would have

1192
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 6: either one of her campaign posters or that Brooke Davis

1193
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 6: for president Penn was running for student council president change

1194
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 6: the course of her life. I feel like she would

1195
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 6: probably have one of those first dresses that she feverishly

1196
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:19,479
Speaker 6: sewed like a magical worker. Yes, for the first close

1197
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 6: over Bros. Launch. And then I think she would put

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01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 6: Julian's letterman jacket.

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01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 4: Yes.

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01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 3: Oh wait, I'm amending mine because now I think she

1201
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 3: needs Quentin's paper on limiz.

1202
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 4: Oh.

1203
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 3: I think that's going in the time capsule too.

1204
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 5: Okay, I love that.

1205
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 6: Oh cu Well, now let's spin a wheel.

1206
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: Oh what do we have to.

1207
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 4: Most likely to only date someone with a compatible zodiac sign?

1208
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: Idea? Is anyone neurotic enough for that in real life?

1209
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 3: That we know? Superstitious? Like really superstitious I'm.

1210
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 4: Gonna I'm gonna go out and say Zelda from episode seven.

1211
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 6: Yes, upcoming Zelda, honestly genius. I agree, co sign so good. Yes, guys,

1212
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 6: we have to get into it. Let's get right into

1213
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 6: seven o eight friends. I mean you'll get it next week,

1214
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 6: but we're going to dive into season seven, episode eight.

1215
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 6: I just died in your arms tonight.

1216
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: Can't wait.

1217
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 6: Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, this is over.

1218
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for listening.

1219
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1220
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,840
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