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Speaker 4: It's literally the emblem that protects you and it's such

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Speaker 1: Wow, it seems like you should take a bigger role

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Speaker 4: We don't come in judgmentally to say who's right or

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Speaker 1: That's an amazing mission that you are a part of,

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Speaker 4: my wife and daughter, and it was like it was

439
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 4: one of those.

440
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: My daughter was thirteen.

441
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 4: So with Daisy and I I was like, Okay, I

442
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 4: love what I'm doing, but I only have one life

443
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 4: and I don't get another swing at this, so I'm

444
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna make the hard call. And you know,

445
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 4: I probably didn't do it the best way. It was

446
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: one of those I didn't I didn't talk to anybody

447
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 4: or tell anybody before I pushed the button because I

448
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 4: didn't want anybody to talk me out of it.

449
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: Right.

450
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 4: I had made a decision that I need to do

451
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 4: this for my family. I need to reconnect with them,

452
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 4: I need to spend time with them. And that's exactly

453
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 4: what we did.

454
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: And you know.

455
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 4: Full of full of tears, it's still it's hard for me.

456
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: I loved it, and yeah, so Daisy and Isabelle and

457
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 4: I we spent.

458
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 3: A few years together, just us, just us traveling around

459
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: and it was fantastic.

460
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 4: And you know, we did a homeschool program, the Potters

461
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: School that I put Isabelle in and I got to

462
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 4: be her her tutor and support her and her studies

463
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 4: for a couple of years, and it was fantastic. And

464
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 4: you know, after after after that, one of the challenges though, is,

465
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: and you'll talk with people who transition out of uniform,

466
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 4: it's it's it's never enough just to be dedicated to

467
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 4: your family. That that focus and dedication to your family

468
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 4: is important, but you need your own sense of purpose

469
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 4: and and and it seems like you found that, uh

470
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 4: in what you're doing. And congratulations for finding that.

471
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: Purpose For me, that's what I was.

472
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: I was I was seeking and and you know it

473
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 4: was one of those you kind of feel it, but

474
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: you're you know, my wife, especially Daisy, she was able

475
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 4: to see it and recognize that, you know, you just

476
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 4: can't keep hanging out.

477
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: With us for.

478
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: For years and years more. You need something for yourself.

479
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: And I had always I had always wanted to transition

480
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 4: to the humanitarian side of the fence at some point.

481
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: And you know what surprises me is.

482
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 4: You look at as you look at veterans, how many

483
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 4: it's a sense of service that you have, and very

484
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 4: often you have it from when you're very young. Sometimes

485
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 4: it comes from your families, sometimes it comes from your community.

486
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: It definitely if you didn't have it before you join

487
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 4: the military, you will have it, you know, because of

488
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 4: your military service. So when people many people who leave

489
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 4: the uniformed ranks, they continue to serve in some way

490
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: serve their communities. It could be at the local state level,

491
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: it could be with with law enforcement, it could be

492
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: as a defense contractor it could be as a government

493
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 4: civilian and a federal agency. And I think especially if

494
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: we look back at the legacy of the GI Bill

495
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: after World War Two, and you know how we reintegrated

496
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 4: military veterans into society at all levels, and that redefine

497
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 4: the fabric of America. And I think you still see

498
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 4: versions of that today in the United States. And you

499
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 4: know that's everywhere from even as I c r C,

500
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: when I'm when I'm engaging on the hill with with

501
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: with congressional representatives, together with my colleagues to engage in

502
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 4: the Pentagon, or like you were mentioning with the American

503
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: Red Cross as we talked to our movement partners here

504
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 4: in the United States.

505
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: It's it's it really.

506
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: It's it's heartening to see how many people have a

507
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 4: more selfless sense of that they want to be giving

508
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: something with a sense of service. Uh and in many

509
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: cases very directly a sense of public service to America,

510
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 4: to US as a nation. And it's interesting because I

511
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 4: look at Armed Forces advisors like myself in the ICRC,

512
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: we have thirty different nationalities, so that as we engage

513
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: and we talk with different countries and different militaries and

514
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: different states, they have the same passion that I have

515
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: for America, for the countries that they come from, with

516
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: that North Star principle of humanity orienting them, so it

517
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 4: becomes a very powerful thing. But for any of the

518
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: veterans that may be listening or people who are getting

519
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: ready to transition, don't underestimate how hard it's going to be.

520
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 4: I mean, it is incredibly difficult. Don't underestimate all the

521
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: preparation that you need to do, not just for yourself,

522
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: but with your family. And then take that time to

523
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: reconnect with friends and family, because anybody who's been in

524
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: you would have been running hard. There would have been

525
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: a lot of time away from home. But but once

526
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 4: you've re said, make sure that you're thinking hard about

527
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 4: that sense of purpose, something that's going to give you

528
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 4: fulfillment you as an individual, because if you don't do that,

529
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: it's going to affect your relationships with others, to include

530
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: your family.

531
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they may be you know, used to you

532
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: being at your job and you know, like when my

533
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: dad would deploy as a Green Beret, my mom was

534
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: always home. We never really traveled around the country like

535
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: a lot of Army brats did in other jobs. Like

536
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, hey, a year later you go into

537
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: a new base, or dad's move into a new base,

538
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: or mom in two years or transitioning TDY. My dad

539
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: was I was. I kind of was fortunate that Dad

540
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: would just go from his base and go for three

541
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: six months and we would just stay here. So we

542
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: got to grow roots here, you know, here in Utah.

543
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: And mom was also Dad and mom and okay, let's

544
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: say quick prayer to get the car started this morning

545
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: so we get to school on time. I'm like, do

546
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: I have to pray for that? You know, It's like,

547
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. And then Dad comes home from

548
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, deployment, and then he's like trying to rub

549
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: shoulders with mom and trying to acclimate back into the

550
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: life of the family unit that we want Dad back at,

551
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: you know. But then all of a sudden, it's like, hey,

552
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: well there's a regiment going on here, and Mom's kind

553
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: of got things under control, and now Dad's got to

554
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: fall back into the regiment of that. And Dad sits

555
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: there and thinks, well, you know, I maybe deployments are

556
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: taking away from me or taking away from that family timeframe.

557
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: And I never realized Dad was gone. I mean I did,

558
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: but I just thought, oh, that's dad. You know, that's

559
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: what my dad does. And I would wear camouflage every

560
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: day to school, and I had my own little ribbons

561
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: that I earned around the house with a good conduct

562
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: and like all that kind of a thing. My Dad's like,

563
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: here's your airborne wings, because we would jump off picnic

564
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: tables before they jumped, they'd get ready to jump and

565
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: stuff before they got on the sea one through. Yeah.

566
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: So I would do all that as eight nine ten

567
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: year old little kid, Like you would have your kid

568
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: paling around with you everywhere, right exposed to that environment,

569
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: and so I just was I guess I'm just relating

570
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: with just like that kind of a situation of the

571
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: family unit and the dynamic. And then him transitioning from

572
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: Green Beret from a medical was to like believe in

573
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: me as a business owner at fourteen. So he saw

574
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: me slinging skateboards out of my garage and he's like, well,

575
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: let's get you a business license and get you a

576
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: little shop and start pushing that together. All behind the scenes,

577
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: he had a work a master's degree in business management

578
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: and communications. So this whole time, you know dad being

579
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: a Green Beret warfighter, he was also very savvy business guy.

580
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of where I get that from.

581
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: Like I can totally see where he like kind of

582
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: put me into this realm of where I'm at today

583
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: and including this show, because I got into public speaking

584
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: and communications because of my dad. After I learned that

585
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: he was all, you know, into business as well. So

586
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: it's like, thanks Dad, and so thanks to you, I'm

587
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: just saying, yeah, I've just share that with you, Okay,

588
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know you know so,

589
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: And uh, I guess it's just a hard transition because

590
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: I try to watch in transition from SF to running

591
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: marathons every day to what's he going to do? Now?

592
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: You know, like, what what do you do? You know,

593
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: you're like kind of frozen. And so you guys at

594
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: the International Red Cross, you're always looking for able people

595
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: that can help join your your your programs and your cause,

596
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: even if it's not on an international level, it's on

597
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: a local level. They can just reach out through the

598
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: Red Crosses probably website right and examply for careers.

599
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: Most definitely, most definitely, and you know both the American

600
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: Red Cross as was I c r C. You know

601
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 4: you can you can go via the websites to see

602
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 4: what kind of openings and for anybody who's interested in

603
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: those career opportunities. You know what's good is if you

604
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 4: do that before you're ready to transition, so you can

605
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 4: start looking what what are the qualifications, what are the

606
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: attributes that they're looking at. So if you if you

607
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: see a gap in your resume or something that you

608
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 4: might be able to do to try and make yourself

609
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: more competitive, then.

610
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: You do that.

611
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 4: I just I wanted to when you were when you

612
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: were talking about deployments and you know, when your father

613
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 4: would go away and then come back, it made me

614
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 4: think of one other really important mission that the ICRC

615
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: has when it comes to armed conflict, in whether it's

616
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: with US military, and this is when I'm speaking with

617
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: US government officials, whether it's on the Hill or Pentagon officials.

618
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 4: Something I emphasize is our obligation to US service members

619
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: and their families in the event that a big war

620
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 4: were to kick off, or in any of the current

621
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: conflicts that the US may be involved in around the world.

622
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: And it is those situations where somebody deploys or you

623
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 4: can take other nations militaries. How often you might have

624
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 4: somebody taken as a prisoner of war or somebody who

625
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: may be missing in action, and you have a family

626
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: that doesn't know where they killed, where they taken prisoner.

627
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 4: So one of the important roles that ICRC has in

628
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 4: armed conflict is being able to help to make those links,

629
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: to restore those links with families by being able to

630
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: visit POW's, being able to get a Red Cross message

631
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 4: out and communicate that with the families so that they

632
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: they know that their family members still alive if in

633
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 4: the most unfortunate of circumstances, someone has fallen, to be

634
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: able to make sure that those remains are able to

635
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: be returned in a dignified manner and that the family knows.

636
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: And we had a had a very on Powmi a

637
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 4: day we went as a delegation with their headed delegation,

638
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 4: Fabrito Carboni, with very I think one of the as

639
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 4: an American, one of the most powerful things you can

640
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 4: see to reflect on the nation is to go to

641
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 4: Arlington Cemetery and see the changing of the guard the

642
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: tomb of the unknown Soldier. And it's that concept of

643
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 4: you know, thinking back to those many Americans in World

644
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 4: War One or World War Two, during the Great Wars,

645
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 4: or then even in the Korean War where they might

646
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: have had a family member that deployed in these conflicts

647
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: that never came back and they don't know what happened.

648
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: And you know, the effort the US military, through pow

649
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: Mia efforts or the ICRC makes in countries where conflicts

650
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 4: occurred to try and provide some resolution, even if it

651
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: takes some time. What I find amazing is, you know,

652
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 4: we've got everything to include forensic specialists and that are

653
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: able to help engage bring their expertise not only with

654
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 4: countries around the world, but also with the United States

655
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 4: and again hopefully hopefully a lot of these efforts will

656
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 4: never be needed. But if there were big conflict to

657
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 4: emerge on the scales that we saw in the great.

658
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 3: Wars of World War One and World War.

659
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 4: Two, our history and those Americans and the voices, the writings,

660
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: the recordings of what they have to tell us are

661
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 4: important for us to remember. And the ICRC is very

662
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: attuned to that, and I think it's an important part

663
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: of our work from a preparedness perspective.

664
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm also in tune to that. I like that. That's

665
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: a good I like what you said right there. I

666
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: just want to let that be known. Okay, for the record,

667
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: that was awesome, well put. And I was just thinking, geez,

668
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sitting here telling my daughter there's these

669
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: positions available. She speaks multiple languages, and I'm like, wow, well,

670
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: you know, I just okay, wats for a resume coming

671
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: through shorty Okay. I'm gonna be like, yo, Sydney, You'll

672
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: never believe another job opportunity because that might just that

673
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: it gives you a sense of purpose.

674
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 3: It does. Yeah, that's that's one thing.

675
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 4: And that's why when I mentioned transitioning out of the

676
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 4: military was hard, Transitioning into the ICRC was not.

677
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's because of that.

678
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 4: As long as as long as you have that sense

679
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 4: of purpose that you know when you have a good

680
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 4: mission and it was the same thing when it was uniform.

681
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: As long as you have a good mission, then there's

682
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 4: nothing to worry about it. Even if life's hard, if

683
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: it's difficult, if there's challenges, as long as your mission

684
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 4: is good and you can stand behind it and you're

685
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: proud of that mission, then you're in a good place.

686
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like to probably be shoulder to shoulder with

687
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: those that are going to be shoulder to shoulder with you,

688
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, That's what I mean. And so whether that's

689
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: on a C one thirty and you got your battle

690
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: buddies on there and every crew chief, everybody's shoulder to

691
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: shoulder kind of ranks out the window at that point.

692
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's like Hey Tom, Hey Bill, Hey Dan. Okay,

693
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: but sir, on the flight line, I got you. You know,

694
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: like that shoulder shoulder camaraderie is something that I found

695
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: myself was awesome in the middle Terry on a baseball team.

696
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, in boy scouts, you have a lot of

697
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: the same people doing the same type of shoulder shoulder activities,

698
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: and I'm sure with the ICRC it's the same exact thing.

699
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: There's camaraderie. You have people who a brotherhood and a

700
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: sisterhood who have you know, sworn to help, you know,

701
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: the humanitarian north Star effort. Sometimes we drift towards the

702
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: second start of the right though, Peter pan Okay, but

703
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: we got to always stay focused on that north star, right.

704
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: But you know, there might be a vacation to the

705
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: less star there. But nonetheless, I think what you guys

706
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: are doing as a whole right is just is honorable.

707
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 4: So no, thank you, And you know, for me, it's

708
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 4: a you know, does it reflects One of the things

709
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 4: that makes Special Operations Team so versatile is you have

710
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: all of these different subject matter experts that are part

711
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: of your team. And that's very much how the ICRC operat.

712
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 4: So it's one of those concepts that's very familiar where

713
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: you know, whether it's an Armed Forces advisor, or it's

714
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 4: an engineer who's able to work essential water systems wastewater

715
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 4: and drinking water, or it's a or it's medical professionals

716
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 4: doctors and nurses, or it's the protection personnel that are

717
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: able to go do prison visits and check on you know,

718
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: how how the prisons are being run, or it's somebody

719
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 4: who's able to be on the hotlines that are restoring

720
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 4: family links. Right listening to the stories from the families,

721
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 4: it's it's it's really incredible when you see the diversity

722
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 4: of teams and the way that they're tailored by I

723
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 4: C r C leadership and heads of delegations in the field.

724
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: I would say that, like in basic I remember a

725
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: gentleman getting red crossed out in basic training. We're like,

726
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: where do you go? Oh, he got red Cross? We're like,

727
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: what is that? How do what do we get Red Cross?

728
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: Like something serious happened in his life that the Red

729
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: Cross reached out through the Basic training and pulled him

730
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: out to go take care of whatever he had to

731
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: take care of. That's all I ever knew. He's just

732
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: we just heard he was Red Cross. So I mean,

733
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: you guys literally reach everybody that is needing to be that.

734
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: You try to help everybody in need, like you said,

735
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: whether they're a pow, whether it's an airman that's being

736
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: red crossed out for family medical or family emergencies, and

737
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, the Red Cross can get involved in that

738
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: that's theral neutrality, nutrilit neutralness, neutralness, we'll go with neutral thiss. Okay,

739
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: that's the that you present to all sides of the

740
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: situation of the conflict. And I think what you would

741
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: like is just when you come into the situation and

742
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: you're talking to Side A, who thinks they're the good guys,

743
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, cool, okay, you think you're the good guys,

744
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: but we were the Red Cross. We just want to

745
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: make sure that we can get in through these lanes. Okay,

746
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: from your side, that's the good guys, quote unquote. And

747
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: now someone has to go talk to Team B, who

748
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: thinks that they're the good guys, and now and you're

749
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: still the Red Cross or the Red Crescent, and you're like, hey, look, okay,

750
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: so you think you're the good guys. That's cool. I

751
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: can't tell you what they think, but I can tell

752
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: you that we just need to go down this road

753
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: without you guys shooting at us from this side, okay.

754
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: And so and really that's the that's where the Red

755
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: Cross comes in. It's like, hey, you know, let us

756
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: just take these supplies in this is the situation and

757
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: just leave us alone. And sometimes that doesn't always happen.

758
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: We've seen it time and time again, targeted attacks of

759
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: these vehicles that have the cross or the Credit Crescent

760
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: or a similar nature right trying to bring supplies. And

761
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: it's not just in Gaza, it's like Africa and in

762
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: other countries that a lot of people aren't even on

763
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: their radar. Like you guys are getting phone calls of

764
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: almost a nine to one one high. This is African

765
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: country needs you. Now. You're like, Okay, here's what's going

766
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: on over here. Here's a genocide happening over here. Here's

767
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: an earthquake of enormous proportions over here in Haiti, you know,

768
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: et cetera. It's like that's where you guys come in,

769
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: and that's where you flex, like Arnold right there.

770
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 4: Yea, And I think you know what's important, And I

771
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: think it's interesting the evolution of a lot of our work.

772
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 4: And you know, if we go back to the origin

773
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: story of the ICRC, you know in eighteen fifty nine,

774
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 4: when we look at the Battle of Sulfarino where Rido Nan,

775
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: a businessman, is going to try and meet Napoleon. He

776
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 4: has no idea what's going on, and a battle breaks

777
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 4: out where twenty nine thousand people are killed in twelve

778
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 4: hours of fighting, and you know, you don't have any

779
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 4: of what we're talking about doesn't exist. And it's that

780
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 4: need in this case where you have somebody who's seeing

781
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: the after effects, is seeing the wounded and seeing the dead,

782
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 4: with no one to attend to them, no one to

783
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 4: carry them off.

784
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 3: And you know, he writes about it, and he's.

785
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 4: Able to share that story in a small pamphlet. He

786
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 4: writes memories of Sulfurino, and he's able to share that

787
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 4: with other European partners and get everyone to agree that

788
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 4: this is not okay. You know that these individuals who

789
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 4: are fighting on behalf of their.

790
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: State in uniform.

791
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: You know, once they're wounded, once they're sick, they're out

792
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: of the fight and they need to be respected as

793
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: individuals now and they need to be protected and someone

794
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 4: needs to attend to them. And I can remember he

795
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 4: writes about he writes about a sergeant major who had

796
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: been fighting for over thirty years, very experienced, who's you know,

797
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: on a church floor, who's about to die, who's about

798
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 4: to die from gang green five days after his injuries,

799
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 4: and he knows that he's going to die, and he's asking, here,

800
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 4: do not can you please let my family know? And

801
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 4: he writes a letter so that Andre Denana is able

802
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 4: to get that letter to the family to know where

803
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 4: he died and that he died honorably. But the greatest

804
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: tragedy was that Sergeant Major. He knew that had he

805
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 4: had his wounds been attended to right away, he would

806
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 4: have survived. He might have suffered an amputation, but he

807
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 4: would have survived. And you know, so this movement to

808
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 4: amongst these powers to come up with a way to

809
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 4: protect those in uniform when they're wounded, and to and

810
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: to and to honor the dignity of those who are fallen,

811
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: it was it was really important.

812
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: Uh.

813
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: And and you see these gaps come up and even

814
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 4: today where I think everybody, independent of whether there's treaties

815
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 4: or legal obligations or not, and any human should be

816
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 4: able to appreciate intuitively that moral sense of obligation to

817
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 4: respect the humanity of everyone. And then we see that

818
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: as we go into World War One, you know, prisoners

819
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 4: of war became a big issue, and the miss treatment

820
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 4: of prisoners of war, so then they became another group

821
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 4: of uniform personnel that needed to be protected. And in

822
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 4: World War Two then you have you know a lot

823
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: of civilians that are harmed unnecessarily in World War Two.

824
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: So then you get the protection of civilians and you

825
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 4: bring that body of law, whether on land or at sea,

826
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: if you're sick, if you're wounded, if you are if

827
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: you are a civilian, that you deserve to be protected.

828
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would imagine that if there was someone

829
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: wounded on the battlefield, you're not really taking sides of

830
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: who that wounded is. You're just like, hey, you.

831
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: Know exactly, And that's what impartiality comes up. It needs

832
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: based whoever needs the support.

833
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: That's correct, you know, because there's veterans on both sides,

834
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: a Team A and tm B who are being shell shocked,

835
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: wounded with PTSD wounded physically traumatic brain injuries on both sides,

836
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: all fighting in the name of their cause, right, And

837
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: like I said, Team athinks they're the good guy. Team

838
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: B things they're the good guy and they're fighting each other.

839
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: They just need to like someone needs to like just

840
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: talk the same language to one another. And which is

841
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: what I find. I'm going to go out on a

842
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: limb here. I think that like presidents should speak a

843
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: different language, at least one like fluently. It should be like, okay,

844
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: I speak Mandarin or I speak Spanish. Huh okay, well

845
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: we have two candidates. One speaks matter and one speaks Spanish.

846
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. That's a good thing. They could talk,

847
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you know, I think that if

848
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: we could have people learn or have like you said,

849
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: you have multiple nationalities from all around the world blended

850
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: into your organization, who can do just that and have

851
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: those conversations with that passion, whereas over here it's like, oh,

852
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: you're talking bad about me, but they're really trying to say, hey,

853
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: can I get a couple of water? Right? That's like

854
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: communication is the breakdown. I think that's just me. I'm

855
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: just saying that. But I know that you guys are

856
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: very uh you know, is it a political is that

857
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 1: the right word, like you're not? Yeah?

858
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: Or a neutral political organization?

859
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 4: And you know it's it's it's one of those you

860
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: try to understand where people are coming from, right. So,

861
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 4: and one of the challenges is, you know, war is

862
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: about uh using you've gotten to the point.

863
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: As a state or as a as.

864
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 4: An organization if it's a non state armed group where

865
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 4: you've you've decided that you're going to use violence to

866
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: try and achieve some political objectives. And it's one of

867
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 4: those you know, trying to get everybody acknowledged that even

868
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 4: even wars have rules, right, and and and how you

869
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 4: decide to fight those wars, how you lead those wars

870
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 4: is going to determine how the wars end. So trying

871
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 4: to get everybody to imagine beyond the rage that they

872
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: may feel internally and and have the professionalism to be

873
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: able to conduct themselves in a way that's able to

874
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 4: think about the post conflict environment and set the stage

875
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: so that, you know, you minimize the grievances so that

876
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 4: there's the greatest chance of reconciliation. I mean, you think

877
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 4: about a lot of the foundations of law of armed

878
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 4: conflict as the US military understands it today, is you know,

879
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: founded all the way back from Abraham Lincoln and the

880
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 4: Civil War and what he asked to be generated the

881
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 4: libor code for Union Forces. A lot of these same

882
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 4: concepts that are born in this era are the same

883
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 4: ideas that you know, we continue to teach to our

884
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 4: armed forces and in the United States, the laws of

885
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 4: armed conflict that all uniform personnel receive.

886
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so hopefully everybody you know, the Geneva Convention

887
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: does exist. And so where in the Geneva Convention does

888
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: the International Red Cross fall? Is that a part of

889
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: Geneva Conventions, are you guys? Hey, Geneva recognizes the crescent

890
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: and the cross as yes.

891
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 4: And the Geneva Conventions are also that they provide the

892
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 4: mandate for the International Committee the Red Cross. So when

893
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 4: there's an armed conflict, this is what the Geneva Conventions

894
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: that all states have agreed to. So it means that

895
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 4: when there's an armed conflict, everyone has this common agreement

896
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 4: and understanding of what the legal obligations are under the

897
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 4: laws of armed conflict, and that includes a mandate to

898
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 4: allow the ICRC to do our humanitarian work.

899
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: So there's that aspect.

900
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 4: But then also the ICRC is you know, the nickname

901
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 4: would be the Guardians of IHL. So one of one

902
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 4: of the most impressive groups of specialists that we have

903
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 4: in the ICRC is international Humanitarian law specialists.

904
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: So they focus.

905
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 4: On international humanitarian law. All the treaties at Geneva Conventions

906
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 4: as we watch and observe how wars are being conducted

907
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 4: as we think about future warfare as well and contemplate

908
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 4: new technologies. How adequate do states recognize and do we

909
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 4: as ICRC recognize the current body of law? And how

910
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 4: much might there need to be discussions about additional conversations

911
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 4: to keep everyone safe and respect humanity and future warfare?

912
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, a hundred percent. I don't even know what if

913
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: we should even keep this conversation going any longer. Just

914
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: end it right there, okay, because that's exactly the point

915
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: that we're I love to hear that, you know, and

916
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: you know that's like what's his wife's name, Amaal Clooney.

917
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: She George Clooney's wife. She is a huge, like, you know,

918
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: humanitarian lawyer, I think, and she, Uh, that's what you're

919
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: talking about, is these lawyers that just focus straight on

920
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: humanitarian law to help Like just how do you how

921
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: do you have somebody who, like herself, such a educated individual,

922
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: so smart and powerful, so right about a lot of things,

923
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: try to explain to somebody who's just stuck on like bloodlust,

924
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, like a I don't know what I'm trying

925
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: to get, you know, like there's somebody just dead set

926
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: on war.

927
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's one of one of those one of

928
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: those things that how you frame the conversation, who you

929
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 4: talk with, who you engage, when you choose to engage,

930
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: obviously is very carefully considered, and you need you need

931
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 4: We as the ICRC, work very hard when we engage

932
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 4: with different parties to an armed conflict to get them

933
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 4: to accept the meeting if we ask for the meeting,

934
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: to accept it. And one of the reasons that someone

935
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: should feel confident accepting the meeting is what we started

936
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 4: with in the beginning, that bilateral confidential dialogue.

937
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: You can trust that if you're.

938
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 4: Going to talk with me, or you're going to talk

939
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 4: with my colleagues, that we're not going to go yapp

940
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 4: into some other party. We're not going to be judgmental

941
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 4: and publish some public report on social media. We're going

942
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 4: to have a conversation with you based on our humanitarian

943
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: interests and hope that we're able to get the other

944
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 4: side to appreciate why it's also in their national interests,

945
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 4: in their interests.

946
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: And there is very often overlap.

947
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 4: You just have to be able to articulate it in

948
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 4: a way that's convincing, that's able to get the other

949
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 4: side to appreciate it. Often, in the heat of conflict

950
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 4: and war, there's a lot of emotions, there's a lot

951
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 4: of rage.

952
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: So how do you get through that?

953
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 4: Again, not to imagine just the current fight, but to

954
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 4: try and imagine a future where the conflict ends, and

955
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 4: what does that post conflict environment look like?

956
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 3: And that's what we're trying to shape.

957
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 4: And you know it doesn't The legal foundations are important,

958
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 4: but you know it's one of those. I found it interesting,

959
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: if you allow me real quick to read. It was

960
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 4: in nineteen fifty five, is when the United States ratified

961
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 4: the Geneva Conventions, and we waited until after the Korean

962
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 4: War because we didn't want the Korean War to affect

963
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 4: the dialogue.

964
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: But I found it interesting. Here you have.

965
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 4: Warriors from World War One world War Two that are

966
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 4: serving in the Senate that are arguing why this is

967
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 4: so important, And they argue, our nation has everything to

968
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 4: gain and nothing to lose by being a party to

969
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 4: the conventions now before the Senate, and by encouraging their

970
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 4: most widespread adoption. The requirements of the four Conventions to

971
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 4: a very great degree reflect the actual policies of the

972
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 4: United States and World War Two. The practices which they

973
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 4: bind nations to follow, impose no burden upon us that

974
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 4: we would not voluntarily assume in a future conflict without

975
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 4: the injunctions of formal treaty obligations. And I bring that

976
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 4: up because it's you know what, you hear this veteran

977
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 4: saying and ratifying the conventions. Is there something in the

978
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 4: American spirit about this that even if this body of

979
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: law didn't exist, we will conduct ourselves honorably in warfare?

980
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: And and it's it's it's.

981
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 4: It's one of those things I think it's important for

982
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 4: us to remember today, especially as I hear sometimes that

983
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 4: of the Geneva Conventions, maybe that works for counterinsurgency or

984
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: counter terrorism, but it's it's going to be really difficult

985
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 4: if there's a large scale conflict. Well, here's the men

986
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 4: that came out of the horrors of one of the

987
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 4: greatest wars on earth, and they're telling us exactly that

988
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 4: this is how they conducted themselves, and that they agree

989
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 4: that these conventions are important. And I think it's important

990
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 4: for all of us to remember that as we talk

991
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 4: about any potential future wars that the United States may

992
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 4: be engaged, and that framing within American spirits.

993
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: I love that, and I think that we should, you know,

994
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: move our best foot forward as the stewards of what

995
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: we have around us, as you know, as a father,

996
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: as a business owner, as people around me. I can

997
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: just be whatever best conduit of that I can be,

998
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: and then hopefully that will rub off on those around me,

999
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: which will then domino effect their circle of influence and

1000
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: then their circle of influence to try to keep it honorable.

1001
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: And you know, conflict has been around since the dawna time.

1002
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: Man has fought with sticks and stones. Okay, let alone

1003
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: air power, right, so you can only imagine twenty nine

1004
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: thousand lost lives. We're not from air power when you

1005
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: know you're referencing take this note or the the founding

1006
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: of the Napoleon, you know, of the yeah, yeah, yeah, right,

1007
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: you know that's twenty nine thousand lives of bayonets and

1008
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: one shots.

1009
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, under brutality fist fights.

1010
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: There was no tanks. So twelve hours and twenty nine

1011
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: thousand people like, we're so jaded to you know, to

1012
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: conflicts happening. That's like, oh, another four dead in Kiev,

1013
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: another twelve dead in Africa, another thirty seven dead at

1014
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: a local Texas school. Okay, so it's like we're just

1015
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: so we need to stop. Dude, it's just a total

1016
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: hippie song. Okay, look around, what's that sound? Everybody? Look

1017
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: what's going down? You know, and just be aware, I think,

1018
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: and just know that I don't know. We just all

1019
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: red blood.

1020
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: It should never be callous. That's the loss of human life,

1021
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 3: you know. It's one of those things.

1022
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 4: It's and and when we're talking armed conflict, we know

1023
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 4: the horrors of war are very real and as you described,

1024
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 4: it's it's an unfortunate part of humanity that we will

1025
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 4: probably continue to fight wars for the indefinite future.

1026
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: So if flies, it's the lord of the flies who

1027
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: hold the conch shell. It's like.

1028
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 4: Whether it's in warfare other context you described there, some

1029
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 4: suffering will happen. But how can we identify as ways

1030
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 4: to avoid and mitigate unnecessary suffering?

1031
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: And that is the focus of the ICRC.

1032
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 4: We we have folks like myself as Armed Forces advisors

1033
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 4: who had to make the difficult decisions in armed conflict,

1034
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 4: and and the way it is in the Geneva Conventions,

1035
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 4: it balances military necessity and appreciation that the military has

1036
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 4: a mission, so you balance military necessity with those humanitarian

1037
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 4: concerns and interests. Right, So, how can we both for

1038
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 4: the uniform personnel as well as for the civilians mitigate

1039
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 4: and eliminate unnecessary suffering because it's pointless, it achieves no end.

1040
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: No, no, it just makes everybody mad. That is nowadays,

1041
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: it's just right in our face. We get dosed with

1042
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: the reality of it from our supercomputer in our hand.

1043
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: Everybody's just dosed with this is what's going on. This

1044
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: is what's going on, and it's like, how do we

1045
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think everybody is jaded. I'm scratching

1046
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: my beard with my David Letterman pencil right here that

1047
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: I hold.

1048
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: So while you have that feeling of being jaded, yeah,

1049
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 3: and as do many.

1050
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 4: Or that feeling that we become desensitized to that. That's

1051
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: where I think you can feel confident that the ICRC

1052
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 4: and the ICRC around the world does not get desensitized ever.

1053
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 4: Like the mission is humanity, and the mission is to

1054
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 4: think about exactly that which other people don't want to

1055
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 4: think about, and focus all of our energy on that

1056
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 4: to try and reduce human suffering in warfare.

1057
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. I appreciate you. I want you

1058
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: to know that I know I've captured an hour of

1059
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: your time today and I know that you're very busy

1060
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: and there's so much more that I could talk with you.

1061
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: And you're always welcome back to be on the show,

1062
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: to bring the message and the mission of the International

1063
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: Red Cross to my platform. Whatever I can do with it,

1064
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: whatever conduit I have here here at soft Rep you know, Radio,

1065
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 1: soft Reap, Radio, merch Storm. But look, whatever I have,

1066
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: whatever I can help with, please use me. This this

1067
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 1: opportunity if it's available, you know, if you have something

1068
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: you want to say, if you're great, Liaison Dominique wants

1069
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: to you know, reach out to me and say, hey,

1070
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: rad can we get so and so on. Yes, anybody

1071
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: that comes from your lane is a welcome guest on

1072
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: my show. I just want to let you know.

1073
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Speaker 4: That, thank you, and uh and I love your I

1074
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 4: love your your mantle of honor there, that's a that's

1075
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: a good one. And like I said before, I'm jealous.

1076
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 4: I love the Rocky Mountains ever since I went to

1077
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 4: the Academia in Colorado.

1078
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah you did.

1079
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 3: There's something I love.

1080
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 4: The outdoors and yeah, I need to come out to you.

1081
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: I got my snowboards right here. So they're just waiting

1082
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: in that fireplace. It is October, it is we are

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Speaker 1: feeling the fall. Colors change here in Utah, home to

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Speaker 1: snowboard Ski Resort, Brighton Ski Resort. You know Brighton Snowboard Resort.

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Speaker 1: What's up? I should say that Powder Mountain? You know,

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Speaker 1: little Nordic valley up in the north. Uh. We have

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Speaker 1: a big belief here at soft Rep. And it's thrills

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Speaker 1: before pills. So before you go to the VA, when

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Speaker 1: you go to the v A, if you go to

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Speaker 1: the VA, you're talking to your doctor or to your

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Speaker 1: VA representative, ask them about you know, is there recreational

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Speaker 1: therapy first for me to get involved with. If I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go outside, can I get a swimming pool pass

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Speaker 1: to get in the water? Can I go get a

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Speaker 1: custom snowboard made for my one leg? You know, ask

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Speaker 1: your Veterans Administration professional for recreational therapy. Okay, just ask

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Speaker 1: for it. Say where's recreational therapy? I know those are

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Speaker 1: I know that's motrin. Where's my recreational therapy?

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Speaker 3: Give me the good time?

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Speaker 1: Yes exactly, Okay, So I just want to I just

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Speaker 1: want to encourage that you know, and you know, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being on the show. And again

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Speaker 1: you're you're supported by your family, You're supported by us

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Speaker 1: here a Soft Reap on your mission. You know, I

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Speaker 1: respect the red cross, the red crescent, and any other

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Speaker 1: emblem that's going to fall underneath your guys's lane. I

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Speaker 1: I will respect that.

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Speaker 3: I just want you to know, thank you having fun conversation.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, well, thank you And to my to my

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Speaker 1: guests that just joined us or to the first time listener,

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Speaker 1: I hope a great time and you'll be coming back.

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Speaker 1: And to those of you that have listened to the

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Speaker 1: show and that you constantly listen to us, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know who you are. You guys send me emails general.

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Speaker 1: This is right out to you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for always, you know, critiquing my shows. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: And again to Brandon Webb who runs Soft Reap and

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Speaker 1: the team behind him allowing me to have this opportunity

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Speaker 1: to become a better person by talking to people like

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Speaker 1: Tom Geyser. Okay, I grew today from this conversation, and

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Speaker 1: I hope that you did too. When you listen to

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Speaker 1: our show, so thank you so much for being a

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Speaker 1: part of it. Tom and Dominique, thank you for making

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Speaker 1: this happen. And again sorry about being laser. It won't

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Speaker 1: happen again. I'll always be on time and that was

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Speaker 1: my fault. I'm not gonna blame you Dominique. I'll take

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Speaker 1: full responsibility and go check out the merch store, Go

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Speaker 1: check out the book club, softwap dot com, Forward slash

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Speaker 1: Book hyphen Club, And my name is Rad saying peace.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Rad, and to all your listeners

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to self red Ladia