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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do lots of recriminations on the Democratic side

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Speaker 2: after the shutdown cave and Angus King says standing up

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Speaker 2: Gillaine Maxwell is asking for a commutation of her sentence.

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Speaker 1: It really helps the show grow. But with that, let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and get to the shutdown.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the Dems and what's going on with them.

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Speaker 2: So Chuck Schumer, obviously and I think appropriately, taking a

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Speaker 2: lot of heat for being leader while manufacturing this shutdown.

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Speaker 2: Now he put out I'm sure this leak came from

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Speaker 2: Gene Shaheen, who was the lead negotiator of the deal

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Speaker 2: touch with leadership throughout, basically backing up some of the

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take list to what she said.

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Speaker 5: Senator Choke Schumi, your leader on the setate, said that

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Speaker 5: No, did you do this outside leadership? And was there

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: We kept leadership informed throughout.

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Speaker 2: Kept leadership inform throughout. Was there a big push to

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Speaker 3: One of the things the inside reporting has come out

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Speaker 1: And he was like, Okay, if you guys cave after that,

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Speaker 3: I do think, and more and more that I've sat

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Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think they actually cared.

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Speaker 2: It's not just their own inconvenience and you know, the

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Speaker 4: It's also the airline industry gives right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I talked about that bailouts. You know, if they

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Speaker 3: It would have been really bad, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure airline lobbyists were blowing up their phones and

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Speaker 4: Oh the filibuster.

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Speaker 2: It's so hard, we'll never get sixty votes, we could

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Speaker 4: Line, the loser line.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are also people who wanted to cave

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Speaker 2: Just to underscore what a group of like pathetic losers.

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Speaker 2: This is Angus King, who is technically an independent of Maine,

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Speaker 2: went on Morning Joe to justify his vote. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, guys, I was watching some MSNBC yesterday there

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Speaker 2: this extraordinary thing to Joe Scarborough, which is that quote

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: Well, Joe, you have to go back to what the

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Speaker 7: strategy was at the beginning of the shutdown. There were

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Speaker 7: two goals, both of which I support. One was standing

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Speaker 7: on the ACA premium tax credit issue. The problem was

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Speaker 7: the shutdown wasn't accomplishing either goals, and there was practically well,

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Speaker 7: it was zero likelihood that it was going to In

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Speaker 7: terms of standing up to Donald Trump, the shutdown actually

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Speaker 7: gave him more power, exhibit A being what he's done

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Speaker 7: the way, Joe, you're going to love this. Guess who's

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Speaker 7: getting paid during the shutdown. Not the park rangers or

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Speaker 7: air traffic controllers, the ice agents under special law, under

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Speaker 7: that big awful bill that they passed last summer. The

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Speaker 7: ice agents are being paid. Nobody else is. So standing

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Speaker 7: up to Donald Trump didn't work. It actually gave him more.

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Speaker 4: Power standing up to Donald Trump. It didn't work.

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Speaker 2: Like literally, resign, I mean seriously, like if you want

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Speaker 2: is what your own voters are demanding you do, and

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Speaker 2: like genuinely, you should step aside and let someone else

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Speaker 2: because this is utterly pathetic and.

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Speaker 4: It's not even true.

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Speaker 2: Sober like Trump was freaking out after this election, like

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Speaker 2: screaming at people that the government needed to be reopened.

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Speaker 2: The pressure was all on the Republicans. They were owning

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Speaker 2: it was working, and I think as a client made

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Speaker 4: To get your way.

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Speaker 2: We always suspected that would be the case with the

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Speaker 3: This is why you know people get mad at me

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Speaker 6: You got the same deal.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 2: Those are the type of candidates who are going to

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 8: We'd like to bring back to the table because that

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Speaker 9: So you're not committing to bringing up a bill that

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Speaker 8: I'm not committing to it or not committing to it.

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Speaker 8: What I'm saying is that we do it delivered a process.

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Speaker 8: That's the way this always works, and we have to

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're not going to vote on it because

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Speaker 2: And you know, speaking of the backlash and how widespread,

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Speaker 2: this point. Yesterday, the ladies of the view or taking

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Speaker 10: I want an opposition party. I think the Democrats caved.

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Speaker 11: I think the Democrats let down the American people, and

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Speaker 1: Even vote on it.

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Speaker 10: There's no guarantee in this new deal that there's going

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Speaker 10: So the bottom line is the Democrats went into this

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Speaker 1: I think Chuck Schumer his days are over.

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Speaker 12: I can not put that.

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Speaker 10: If he cannot keep his pockets together, if he cannot

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Speaker 2: Number of Democrats in the House at least have come

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Speaker 4: I could put a five up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: I think there's roughly eight Democratic members of the House

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Speaker 2: You had move on come out as well and say

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Speaker 2: complete betrayal. This is about the twenty twenty six Democrats

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and listen to Graham Platner put out

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Speaker 13: Let's listen to that this happened because Chuck Schumer failed

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Speaker 13: that when we fight, we win. When we hold the

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Speaker 13: not people's lives. We need to elect leaders that want

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Speaker 13: to fight. We need to elect leaders that care about people,

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Speaker 13: that care about the actual outcomes of policies. Call your

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Speaker 13: but sadly, until we elect more Democrats that understand that

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Speaker 4: Look.

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Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a litmus tess

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Speaker 2: But you know, the level of discuss they already had

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Speaker 4: And then you get.

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Speaker 2: One thing finally, Okay, they're going to fight a little bit,

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Speaker 1: I definitely have.

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Speaker 3: I do wonder though, if it actually helps a lot

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Speaker 3: That was part of what made the Tea Party actually successful,

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Speaker 3: if I were a Plattner because he's already said he

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Speaker 1: So it's like it's.

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Speaker 4: Definitely so it definitely benefits them politically.

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Speaker 3: I actually think the insurgent candidates this is a good thing.

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Speaker 3: as you and I discussed, like, it wasn't really about healthcare, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: that's not what most people were up in arms about.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, only seven percent of

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Speaker 3: people are even affected by Obamacare premiums. It's just not

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Speaker 3: that many people, like in the grand scheme of things,

444
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Speaker 3: that's not the ultimate problem with health insurance. You know,

445
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Speaker 3: health insurance is number one problem is costs. People were

446
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 3: mad about Trump for a whole host of reasons. I think,

447
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Speaker 3: you know, healthcare premium was like number fifty. They decided

448
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Speaker 3: to kind of make that a lynch pin, and to

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Speaker 3: their credit, where we're sitting here talking about it, so

450
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Speaker 3: it definitely kind of worked, but you.

451
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Speaker 4: Know, definitely reframe the conversation.

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Speaker 1: It reframed the conversation by healthcare.

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Speaker 3: But you know, if you read the centrist arguments, they're like,

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Speaker 3: can you anyone point to me how the shutdown would

455
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Speaker 3: have worked out better? And I was like, you know,

456
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Speaker 3: the one thing they have going for them is it

457
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Speaker 3: because they put their whole strategy just on healthcare. They

458
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Speaker 3: didn't really have like a fulsome nature of ass And

459
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Speaker 3: this is on Schumer and on leadership too, and this

460
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Speaker 3: kind of gets to where the platiners and others like,

461
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Speaker 3: when they come into office, you also have to professionalize

462
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Speaker 3: what it is you're asking for, right, So I mean,

463
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Speaker 3: by the way, I also think that many of the

464
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Speaker 3: ass and the so called whims were lame as hell,

465
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Speaker 3: like they were like, oh, no, more riffs, you know,

466
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Speaker 3: like government employees like I'm sorry, Like nobody gives a

467
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Speaker 3: shit about government employees.

468
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Speaker 1: Getting fired like no.

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Speaker 3: One yes healthcare, Like I just said, it's only seven

470
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Speaker 3: percent of people were on the Obamacare exchanges. Most of

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Speaker 3: them are elderly or small business owners, like you're myself,

472
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Speaker 3: not exactly them, you know, of tender demographic. Politically, they

473
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Speaker 3: needed something real and maybe something not even necessarily attainable,

474
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Speaker 3: but stuff that actually got to the heart of what

475
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Speaker 3: people are very upset about with Trump. But I mean,

476
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Speaker 3: this is part of the failure you and I have

477
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Speaker 3: talked about, like with Venezuela, right, Like if I were

478
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Speaker 3: designing something, I'd be like, no invasion of Venezuela. Right,

479
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Speaker 3: that's in part of the deal. If I were a Democrat,

480
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Speaker 3: what are people most upset about? Ice and stuff like that?

481
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Speaker 3: I'll put some riders in there and be like, we're

482
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Speaker 3: not signing shit until there is some actual agreement here

483
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Speaker 3: on behavior of ice or border patrol, like the stuff

484
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Speaker 3: that people are really mad about. This is where I

485
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Speaker 3: think the Republicans did a better job in some of

486
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Speaker 3: their shutdowns, where they got to the heart of what

487
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Speaker 3: people were pissed about, Like it became a line twenty thirteen,

488
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Speaker 3: the big shutdown, it was over DACA, Like that was

489
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Speaker 3: it immigration was the number one issue, remember Bayiner suing

490
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Speaker 3: Obama and court about like that was what the entire

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Speaker 3: thing was about, and it gave people a real reason

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Speaker 3: to fight. It's also why the Cave wasn't really as

493
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Speaker 3: much as a case as this one. So this is really,

494
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Speaker 3: I think an indictment of the Democratic establishment for trying

495
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Speaker 3: to pick a poll tested thing to fight on and

496
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Speaker 3: not coming to terms with like what are we mad

497
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Speaker 3: about at the Trump administration? And this gets you know,

498
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Speaker 3: establishment failure too, and even the heart really of it,

499
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Speaker 3: Like at the end of the day, these people are

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Speaker 3: fighting to subsidize insurance companies. This is why I can't

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Speaker 3: get past with acaight premiums, Like, look, you know, my

502
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Speaker 3: in law's insurance went eighteen hundred and.

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Speaker 1: Forty two hundred. That's horrible as devastating, but you know

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Speaker 1: eighteen hundred was also a shitload of money.

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Speaker 3: And the money's coming from US paying health insurance companies

506
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Speaker 3: who will continue to jack up prices. That's you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I can't really get past that. I

508
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Speaker 3: guess like they need they needed something concrete. What's the

509
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Speaker 3: base Matt about put those five things down on a list.

510
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Speaker 3: We all come together, we least kind of agree on

511
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Speaker 3: some of them. We got to get three out of

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Speaker 3: five before we do anything.

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Speaker 2: I think the base just wanted to see them fight. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't think they cared that much about

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Speaker 2: the details. I just think they wanted to see Trump

516
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Speaker 2: get punched in the nose, which he was last week

517
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Speaker 2: in the elections for sure.

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Speaker 4: And then it's after that.

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Speaker 2: That's the moment when in spite of the fact you

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Speaker 2: got literally nothing in terms of a concession, that's the

521
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Speaker 2: moment that you're going to decide to cave. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think that's the part people just cannot get past.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, I have been saying this from

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Speaker 2: the beginning too. If like, you know, what's really animating

525
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Speaker 2: the Democratic base is a lot of Trump's just like

526
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Speaker 2: you know, insane authoritarian overreach, the masked agents in the streets,

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Speaker 2: the National Guard deployments, those sorts of things. That really

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Speaker 2: gets the core of what the base is concerned about.

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Speaker 2: Leadership has been very squeamish about pushing back on any

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 4: You know, they've always.

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Speaker 2: From the beginning, Oh, this is a you know, the

533
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Speaker 2: Epstein files is a distraction. Oh, talking about kill mar

534
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Speaker 2: a breo Garcia is a distraction. Talking about National Guard

535
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Speaker 2: in the streets is a distraction. We need to just

536
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Speaker 2: talk about egg prices and that's it and nothing else.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the few I think that strategy has

538
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Speaker 2: proven incorrect, and I think that the you know, the

539
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Speaker 2: American people have been pretty horrified by a lot of

540
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Speaker 2: the abuses that they have seen, and these things, you know,

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Speaker 2: they go together. You don't have to only talk about

542
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Speaker 2: the economy or only talk about the abuses. You can

543
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Speaker 2: talk about the way that Trump has basically seized the

544
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Speaker 2: power of a king. That's why the No King's protests

545
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Speaker 2: were so you know, so appealing to people and made

546
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Speaker 2: a lot of sense to people that he's favoring the

547
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Speaker 2: oligarchs over you know, ordinary people. He's sending these thugs

548
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Speaker 2: in to abuse ordinary American citizens. Meanwhile, you know, he's

549
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Speaker 2: denying you food stamp benefits and giving out taxes cuts

550
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Speaker 2: to the rich, et cetera. There is a coherent message there,

551
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Speaker 2: but democratic leadership is very afraid of talking about anything

552
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Speaker 2: that has to do with like, you know, that touches

553
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Speaker 2: on crime whatsoever, that touches on immigration whatsoever. And so

554
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Speaker 2: they've been very squeamish about that, so instead they picked

555
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Speaker 2: this issue of the healthcare subsidies that they felt like

556
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Speaker 2: would be a good wedge, and in a.

557
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Speaker 4: Sense it was.

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Speaker 2: You know, Republicans realize it's going to be a problem

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Speaker 2: for them when everybody's healthcare premium skyrocket and they're stuck

560
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Speaker 2: holding the bag. That is still the case, and the

561
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Speaker 2: you know people I've seen online the like ten millers

562
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Speaker 2: of the world from the Bulwarker making the case that

563
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Speaker 2: actually Democrats won this fight, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: That's what they're pointing to.

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Speaker 2: It's basically like, look, they raise the salience of the

566
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Speaker 2: issue of healthcare. It's very good issue for Democrats. They

567
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Speaker 2: did fantastic in the elections in part because of the

568
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Speaker 2: shutdown strategy. Republicans are going to be on the record

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Speaker 2: and have to own completely now and everyone will know

570
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Speaker 2: that they own the fact that healthcare premiums are skyrocketing,

571
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Speaker 2: and there is something to that, Like, I don't think

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Speaker 2: that it's that like Democrats politically did achieve some things

573
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Speaker 2: out of this strategy, But Matt Stiller was making this

574
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Speaker 2: point that you know, I think is similar to what

575
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Speaker 2: you're saying of effectively, you know, the real issue with

576
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Speaker 2: the shutdown strategy is that the Democratic Party apparatus doesn't

577
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Speaker 2: really know what it wants. They were never really on

578
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Speaker 2: the same page about like, Okay, what does victory look

579
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Speaker 2: like in this what is the resolution that we're actually

580
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Speaker 2: aiming for here? How we're going to effectuate that outcome?

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Speaker 2: And since they were sort of muddled and confused and

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Speaker 2: on different pages, you know, different people had different goals

583
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Speaker 2: in the show down, That's how it becomes easy to

584
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Speaker 2: peel off these you know, eight lame corportus Democrats to

585
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Speaker 2: get them ultimately to cave. So, you know, I think

586
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Speaker 2: the party is really in a it's in a transitional

587
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Speaker 2: place right now. Right there is a true battle going

588
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Speaker 2: on between the Schumer Hakeem Jeffrey's way of doing business

589
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Speaker 2: that has been you know, rock solid in the Democratic

590
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Speaker 2: Party for years and years, and these new insurgents and

591
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Speaker 2: the new insurgents definitely have the energy of the base

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Speaker 2: of the party, you know, Zoron Mumdani being emblematic of that,

593
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Speaker 2: Graham being emblematic of that.

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Speaker 4: Up in Maine.

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Speaker 2: You've got a very close three way race now in

596
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Speaker 2: Michigan right now between Abdul Sayad and Malari McMorrow, who's

597
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Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, progressive ish but a little

598
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Speaker 2: bit more mainstream. And then Haley Stevens, who's the pick

599
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Speaker 2: of Chuck Schumer, who's just like, you know, totally normal

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Speaker 2: establishment type of dem So you you have a battle

601
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Speaker 2: going on right now within the Democratic Party, and I

602
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Speaker 2: don't think that they're going to be able to really

603
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Speaker 2: solidify any sort of clear agenda to until you get

604
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Speaker 2: to like twenty twenty eight and you have the sound

605
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Speaker 2: and a Democratic primary and you have a new leader

606
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Speaker 2: and someone who has some sort of democratic legitimacy. One

607
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Speaker 2: last point, let me put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: We looked at some of these word clouds yesterday. This

609
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Speaker 2: is a eight, just to underscore how the strategy really

610
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Speaker 2: was putting pressure on the Republicans and very politically damaging

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Speaker 2: for them right before the cave. So you know, if

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Speaker 2: you go back to October ninth through thirteenth, you see

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Speaker 2: you ask people, Okay, what negative things have you heard

614
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Speaker 2: recently about Trump?

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Speaker 4: It's all about shut down and government and tariffs.

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Speaker 2: The next week they ask again, still shut down government, tariffs.

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Speaker 2: The following week it's ballroom, White House, East Wig destroying.

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Speaker 2: And then November onee through third, you know, leading into

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Speaker 2: the elections, it's shut down, food stamps, snap government. So

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Speaker 2: you know, the democratic messaging for the first time, really

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Speaker 2: I think was was breaking through.

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Speaker 4: You know, these were the messages that I don't think.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to reality.

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Speaker 3: There's forty two million people who are on food stands.

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Speaker 3: That's just a shitload of people. Like, you know, think

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Speaker 3: about it, that's more people than work for the federal government.

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Speaker 3: Where you sat here and talked about people who were furloughed,

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Speaker 3: that's only two million people. This is forty two million,

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Speaker 3: literally twenty one dimes the number. What is that one

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Speaker 3: seventh of the entire United States? Like I was, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I was looking at some pooling of from you Gov,

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Speaker 2: and one of the questions was just like are you

633
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Speaker 2: on food stamps or someone in your family? And for

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Speaker 2: people under fifty k it was fifty percent. Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: the people who either you know themselves were on food

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Speaker 2: stamps or someone in their families, so they're taking like

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Speaker 2: a direct hit. They're seeing personally what an impact it is.

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Speaker 2: So but in any case, you know, that's that's where

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00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: things stood when they decided like, let's just take a

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Speaker 2: deal that gives us literally nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just thinking about it again broadly, I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think one thing that is the problem in this

644
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Speaker 3: fight with the split over who the party is is

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Speaker 3: you can overread too, you know, one of the things,

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Speaker 3: like the Centrists are totally convinced that they have won

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Speaker 3: because of the span Burger and Chryl victories. Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: Mamdani people like yourself are also totally convinced that they've won.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think it really either a correct I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, yes, you won some and then others want

651
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Speaker 3: others and neither vision has dominated at a national level

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Speaker 3: for like who the party is right, and both are

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Speaker 3: like pretending that the other side doesn't well, actually the

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Speaker 3: Centrists are more pretending the left part doesn't exist. Bootaj

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Speaker 3: Edge not congratulating Mamdani insane, Like literally insane. I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 3: like what it's a democrat Like, why can't you just

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Speaker 3: be like congratulations. I actually don't understand it or even

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Speaker 3: remotely where it comes from.

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Speaker 1: Kind of more of a secondary point.

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Speaker 3: But what you risk in the interim couple of years, though,

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Speaker 3: is you don't really have a national brand of resistance

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Speaker 3: or a vision for alternative and that's how you lose,

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Speaker 3: you know, even when you, let's say, have the shutdown

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Speaker 3: fold like you know, in some ways, like a lot

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Speaker 3: of Republicans can point to that and be like, look,

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Speaker 3: Trump was an effective leader against the Democrats whenever they.

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Speaker 1: Were all up.

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Speaker 3: I mean, by the way, even in the elections. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think the Democrats did very well. We're still talking

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Speaker 3: about off your twenty twenty five election. The idea is

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Speaker 3: some national referendums ridiculous, like the vast majority people didn't

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Speaker 3: even vote, and in mid terms is going to be

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Speaker 3: much more voters, still a much lower turnout election than

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Speaker 3: what eventually comes in twenty twenty eight. I've been thinking,

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Speaker 3: I really think a lot of this is a victim

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Speaker 3: of no primary after Biden. You know, it really is

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Speaker 3: shocking to think how the Democrats have not been able

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Speaker 3: to hash out their differences since twenty twenty and even

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Speaker 3: that was kind of a rigged primary with COVID and

680
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Speaker 3: with Obama coming in. So the last time there was

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Speaker 3: like a real fight it was twenty sixteen. So just

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Speaker 3: watching how this all plays out, the cognitive distance between

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Speaker 3: the two sides, I think that's the biggest consequence, and

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Speaker 3: it does show you the ratifying and healing nature of democracy.

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Speaker 3: Like one reason why Trump is lockstep is because he won,

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Speaker 3: like he won multiple times twenty sixteen, he won the

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Speaker 3: primary in twenty twenty four, and he got the popular

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Speaker 3: vote like no republic cann incredibly stand up, But actually

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Speaker 3: my side is correct, right, you have to defer to

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Speaker 3: the leader. This rudderlessness, I think is really a real

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Speaker 3: problem for them, and it also shows I think some

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Speaker 3: of their risks going forward because they don't have the

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Speaker 3: answers to the reconcilable questions inside of their coalition, and

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Speaker 3: both sides can be like, well, no, see our guy

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Speaker 3: one in New York and people in Virginia are like,

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Speaker 3: well we want in Virginia. You know, we're not the same.

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Speaker 3: Like this stuff needs to get hashed out at the

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Speaker 3: national level.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: But I would say, like, I still think that even

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Speaker 2: if with the Democrats being like lame and week and sucking,

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Speaker 2: well they were lame and weak and sucking going into

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Speaker 2: these off your elections and they romped I mean it

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Speaker 2: was maybe not a nationwide referendum just because of it

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Speaker 2: being an off your election, but literally every race went

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Speaker 2: Democrats will literally ever, regardless of the state. You know,

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court races in Pennsylvania, propos Engine fifty in California, Virginia,

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Speaker 2: New Jersey, Georgia, Mississippi, like across the freaking board. And

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Speaker 2: so I think that probably the cake is baked for,

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Speaker 2: you know, a back life election in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: even with the Democrats being like lame and not offering

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Speaker 2: any kind of a vision.

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Speaker 4: But you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is what is being hashed out right now,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be hashed down in these primaries

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Speaker 2: to come. I think you're already seeing it. And so

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Speaker 2: to me, probably the biggest political legacy of this shutdown

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Speaker 2: fight is just further enraging the Democratic base and radicalizing

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Speaker 2: them against their own leadership. There's already been.

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Speaker 4: A lot of that.

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Speaker 2: This I think is just fuel on the fire. And

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Speaker 2: you know, to your point, like the grand Platters of

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Speaker 2: the world, the Abdula science of the world, like the

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Speaker 2: more renegade outsider candidates, this is going to anure to

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Speaker 2: their benefit. So, you know, for the corporatist Democrats who

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Speaker 2: caved thinking that this, you know, benefits their political worldview,

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Speaker 2: I think they have only further alienated their own voters

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Speaker 2: from the brand of politics that they espouse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely think that's correct, and I don't disagree

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Speaker 3: on twenty twenty seve that's not real.

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Speaker 1: I was more to really talking about twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Eight because there's no credible like we won at a

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Speaker 3: national level. That's what really, you know, that's Trump shut

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Speaker 3: everybody up in twenty twenty four, not with the primary,

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Speaker 3: but with the election. We're like, it's over. Okay, it's maga,

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Speaker 3: like it's period, it's done. Right, won the popular vote,

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Speaker 3: There's no more it, fans or butts. Obama did the

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Speaker 3: same with Hillary. He crushed her in the primary.

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Speaker 1: It was just done.

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Speaker 3: Like you can't really argue about it anymore. Hillary, I mean,

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Speaker 3: in some ways kind of did it to Bernie in

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you know, she did win.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she did a very good job, and

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Speaker 3: she didn't bring those people in, so a lot of

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Speaker 3: them didn't come out to vote. But this just really

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Speaker 3: shows me the power of actual democratic politics. And this

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00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: that's a bigger indictment of the establishment, not just about

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Speaker 3: the shutdown, but like going back in the fact they've

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Speaker 3: never really been battle tested, you know, over these last

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Speaker 3: eight years.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a real issue. Let's get to Trump,

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Speaker 1: shall we.

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Speaker 3: Who is this man inspiring so many of these, in

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Speaker 3: my opinion, shit libs in their own victories, even despite

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Speaker 3: the fact that again in my opinion, some of the

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Speaker 3: lamest people literally on the planet. How does a Mikey

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Speaker 3: Cheryl win by ten points in New Jersey? How is

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Speaker 3: this even possible?

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Speaker 1: Thirty point?

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Speaker 3: Don't even get me started in a state that you

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Speaker 3: got won by five sorry, lost by five points.

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Speaker 1: Just a year ago, literally a year ago.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is how Trump is now floating some new

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Speaker 3: proposals which his own administration says are totally fake. Many

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Speaker 3: of them are flailing in response to affordability, which will

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Speaker 3: remind you he also recently called a con job an interview,

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Speaker 3: and including floating the.

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Speaker 1: So called fifty year mortgage, which we have a little

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Speaker 1: bit more of.

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Speaker 3: But now in an attempt to try and defend the

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Speaker 3: tariff policy, and the tariff policy, of course, which is

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Speaker 3: under fire at the United States Supreme Court, seems very

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Speaker 3: likely to get shut down, he's floating something called a

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Speaker 3: tariff dividend of two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 14: Will there be bringing him down? Without tariffs, we would

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Speaker 14: be this country would be in such trouble as they

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Speaker 14: were for many years. That's why we owe thirty eight

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Speaker 14: trillion dollars. And one of the things we're going to do,

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Speaker 14: we're going to issue a dividend to our middle income

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Speaker 14: people and lower income people of about two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 14: And we're going to use the remaining tariffs to lower

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Speaker 14: a dish.

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Speaker 12: For the last several months, eggs, gas, a dinner cost

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Speaker 12: for Thanksgiving way down. But other things that you noted

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Speaker 12: have gone up, beef, coffee. Is this a voter perception

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Speaker 12: issue of the economy or is there more that needs

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Speaker 12: to be done by Republicans on Capitol Hill or done

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Speaker 12: in terms of policy.

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Speaker 15: More than anything else, it's a coonjeb by the Democrats.

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Speaker 15: They're saying they just have to say, you know, they

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Speaker 15: put out something say today, crosser up. They feed it

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Speaker 15: to the anchors of ABC, CBS and NBC and a

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Speaker 15: lot of other you know, CNN.

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Speaker 3: It's a con job if you're I mean, the Biden

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Speaker 3: vibes here are just so strong. It's like every single time,

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Speaker 3: what did Biden say, he said Republicans are lying about inflation,

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Speaker 3: they're lying about grocery prices, They're lying about this.

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Speaker 1: They would do similar things.

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Speaker 3: They would float some bone dead or you know, idiot policy,

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Speaker 3: same thing like the tariffic and which again we all

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Speaker 3: know it's not going to happen. They don't have the

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Speaker 3: Ulano authority to just cut you a two thousand dollars check.

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Speaker 1: If they did, every president would.

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Speaker 3: Do it, right, not everyone, but a lot of them

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Speaker 3: would have done it, or they would have tried to

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Speaker 3: do it in the past.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you need Congress.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Congress is going to do a two thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: dividend check.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not happening.

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Speaker 3: And so they're flailing, completely flailing about here. And you

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Speaker 3: know this is where I think maga. It has a sickness.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I just talked about how Trump won popular vote and

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Speaker 3: so he took over the Republican Party. But part of

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Speaker 3: the sickness is nobody can speak out about an obvious

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Speaker 3: drubbing in the election because all Trump has to say

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Speaker 3: is it was a shutdown and I wasn't on the ballot.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, true, dude, but you're never going to

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Speaker 3: be on the ballot again. Okay, so all the other

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Speaker 3: people who still have to have a career in politics

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Speaker 3: need some flexibility and freedom. Well what happens you have

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Speaker 3: one Republican literally once who's caught talking about costs of

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Speaker 3: living Marjorie Taylor Green, and now he's attacking her. I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to go too much into it because you

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Speaker 3: guys are going to cover it tomorrow and it really

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Speaker 3: is kind of a separate conversation.

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Speaker 1: But think about it, Like, in terms of maga media,

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Speaker 1: there is.

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Speaker 3: Nobody out there at a prominent maga level from Fox News,

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Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro, the Blaze.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who else am I thinking of?

835
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Speaker 3: Who can honestly admit that shit is bad right now

836
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: economically for a lot of people, there's just not that

837
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Speaker 3: many of them. They stay silent and then they'll do

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Speaker 3: their show on some woke left you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It's like, guys, this is so boring at this point,

840
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Speaker 3: like your shit is over, and so after an election

841
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Speaker 3: like this, they need to come down and just be

842
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: like this is a huge problem, Like this is a

843
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Speaker 3: massive signal boost people are pissed about affordability.

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Speaker 1: We need to come up with a.

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Speaker 3: Set of issues. We're already probably going to lose in

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Speaker 3: the midterm elections. If we have any chance of building

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Speaker 3: on some sort of legacy of twenty twenty four, you

848
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Speaker 3: got to win back some of these voters. Let's look

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Speaker 3: at the crosstab and say, hey, what went wrong?

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Speaker 6: Where?

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Speaker 1: What can we fix?

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Speaker 3: No Republicans capable of saying that nationally, and it's because

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Speaker 3: of Trucka's trumpill attacked them from the national puppet. He said, Marjorie, Oh,

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Speaker 3: she's lost her way. Marjorie's lost her way. But Lindsay

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Speaker 3: Graham has it? Who were doing fundraising for Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean that. Listen, what's the signal.

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Speaker 3: The signal is if he kiss his ass, no matter what,

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Speaker 3: even though you were in an ideological opponent, whatever, doesn't matter,

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Speaker 3: as long as your fealty to him personally.

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Speaker 1: That's the only thing that you're allowed to do.

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Speaker 3: You're not allowed to speak up about the issues that

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Speaker 3: you see that are out there, even you know, Tucker, look,

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Speaker 3: you know a lot of the wars over Israel, Frankly,

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Speaker 3: a lot of the war also though, is over you know,

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Speaker 3: he did that episode with Charlie Kirk, right, right, around

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Speaker 3: the time a couple of weeks before Charlie died.

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Speaker 1: The whole episode by Charlie.

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Speaker 3: Was about economics and young people, and he said, young

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Speaker 3: people are feeling hopeless affordability.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it was about Zoron.

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Speaker 3: Actually, you should go back and watch it if you're interested,

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Speaker 3: because frankly that those were two of the only people

873
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Speaker 3: in the entire apparatus who were even willing to talk

874
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: like that without sounding like, you know, that they were

875
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 3: Democrats or something. And that's that's what I see out

876
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: in the landscape right now. It's truly a sickness in

877
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: the party and in Magamedia, Megamedia even more so because

878
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: this party is very downstream of a lot of internet

879
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: posters and podcast people, and they had just they have

880
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 3: their heads so far.

881
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: Up their ass. Yeah, whenever it comes to these issues,

882
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: I mean.

883
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 4: There's two lanes.

884
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: So this is something Emily has mentioned before of part

885
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 2: of the appeal of Niquentas is that there is really

886
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: there are very few venues for Trump criticism that aren't

887
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: like liberal or leftists.

888
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: That's very true.

889
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: And so you know, you've got these a number of dynamics,

890
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: but one of them being that most of Megamedia is

891
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: just grotesquely sycathantic in a like pathetic and embarrassing boomer

892
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: cringe kind of a way. And so you know, if

893
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: the only guy, one of the only guys who's saying

894
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: critical things from the right also happens to be a

895
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: neo Nazi, and then, by the way, you also have

896
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: this whole censorship regime of like if you say anything

897
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: against Israel and you're literally an anti semi. That's part

898
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: of what is fueling the rise of Nick Fuentes within

899
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: the Republican Party and why he is such a potent

900
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: force with young men in the party in particular.

901
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 4: But Sagar, you're selling our dear leader short.

902
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: He does have some really important ideas for how to

903
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: deal with things like housing affordability. Yesterday we mentioned his

904
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: brilliant genius idea for a fifty year mortgage loan. Even

905
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: Laura Ingram was not really buying this one. Let's take

906
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: a listen to that.

907
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 12: Your housing director has proposed something that has enraged your

908
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 12: MAGA friends, which is this fifty year mortgage idea, so

909
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 12: a significant MAGA backlash, calling it a giveaway to the

910
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 12: banks and simply prolonging the time it would take for

911
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 12: Americans to own a home outright?

912
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: Is that really a good idea?

913
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 15: It's not even a big deal. I mean, you know,

914
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 15: you go from forty to fifty years and whatever is

915
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 15: is you pay, you pay something less from thirty that

916
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 15: Some people had a forty and then they have a fifth.

917
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 15: All it means is you pay less per month, you

918
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 15: paid over a longer period of time. It's not like

919
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 15: a big factor. It might help a little bit, But

920
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 15: the problem was that Biden did this. He increased the

921
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 15: interest rates and I have a lousy fed person who's

922
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 15: going to be gone in a few months.

923
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: Not even a big deal.

924
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: It's not a big deal.

925
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: Also, did everybody notice he doesn't even know how long

926
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: the normal mortgage is.

927
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: He said it was forty years.

928
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you know, we don't all have specialized banking

929
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: instruments from Goldman Sacks and our commercial real estate properties.

930
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: Most of us are dealing with the shithead mortgage brokers at.

931
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: Whatever a bank or rocket mortgage.

932
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: You know that you're lucky enough to even get if

933
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 3: you can qualify for one.

934
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is like, remember what was it?

935
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: Wasn't it dan Quayle who didn't know how much a

936
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: gallon of milk costs.

937
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: No, I'm thinking of George H. W.

938
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: Bush how he was like mystified at a grocery store

939
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: checkout counter because he hadn't seen barcode scanners.

940
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: This was in the eighties.

941
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: But the point whales thing was not knowing how.

942
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: To spell potato.

943
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

944
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: Sorry, that humiliation, but yeah hw And that image went,

945
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 3: you know, viral in whatever nineteen nineties terms. Why because

946
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: they were like, this man is so rich and so old.

947
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: He literally he's not into a grocery store in like

948
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: twenty five years.

949
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: This stuff matters. I mean, we talked yesterday about the

950
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: White House.

951
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: These things, the symbols, you know, they strike at the

952
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: heart of how out of touch a person can be.

953
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 3: I also think what it gets to ist. I've said

954
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 3: this before too. I remember about Biden. Biden would do

955
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: something very similar where a year or so in office

956
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: he would still talk about January sixth, and he would

957
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 3: talk about Trump.

958
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: Well, Trump is now in the same boat. It's November eleventh.

959
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: Dude, I don't want to hear about Biden anymore, does

960
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 3: anybody else. One of the nice things I like about

961
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: America is when a guy like Biden says off, We're

962
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: all just like who, Like, we get temporary amnesia.

963
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: We're like, who are you talking about?

964
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 3: Because what we expect is that when a new government

965
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 3: comes into power. Yeah, you can blame Biden for a

966
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: couple of months. After that, you own it, especially now

967
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: at this point, especially with the way that you dominate media.

968
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: So I see that where he blames Biden interest rates.

969
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think he's wrong to blame a

970
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: lot of the actions of the Federal Reserve. But as

971
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: we demonstrated yesterday, interest rates alone are not the issue.

972
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: It's price.

973
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: Prices are fifty percent higher than they were five, you know,

974
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: six years ago.

975
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: That's the whole ball game. It's all supply.

976
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 3: Then we have all these boomers with massively appreciated assets.

977
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: Average first time home buyer today is forty years old.

978
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: The average person who's like looking at a house, I

979
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: believe is in their sixties. You know, in terms of

980
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: their ability to offer cash, there's no incentives whenever it

981
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 3: comes to first time home buyers. Even if there are,

982
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: you know, some modest more interests or whatever, doesn't remotely

983
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: make up for the fact that wages have not kept

984
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 3: up place.

985
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: That's it.

986
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: There's literally nothing else to say about it. All you

987
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: have to do is attack supply. You need to throw

988
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: a Manhattan level project level of stuff at it. There's

989
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: no other way, simply, And yet we're all just you know,

990
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: working around the edges. And this is what's leading to

991
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: the doomerism for a lot of people who are much younger.

992
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: I was just looking, you know, I put some tweet

993
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: out about boomers don't get it, and of course, you know,

994
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: a vast majority of boomers.

995
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: Are like, well, I graduated in nineteen eighty five.

996
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, well, in nineteen eighty five, the

997
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: average first time home bar I was twenty nine years old.

998
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: Today it's forty. Okay, so things have radically changed. The

999
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 3: median income relative to a buyer. It's there's no comparing

1000
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: the world.

1001
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: The median age of a home buyer now is fifty

1002
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: nine years.

1003
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I can't live like this.

1004
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 3: I mean, it distorts the whole market. We talked yesterday

1005
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: about developers and supply side. So if all the rich

1006
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: people are old, what do you do You build houses

1007
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: for rich people and for old people. That's who you're

1008
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: going to cater your market. It's basic economics. You have

1009
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: to have some sort of intervention. A fifty year mortgage

1010
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: turns you into a permanent renter to the bank and

1011
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: also makes you somebody who's paying You know what was

1012
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: the example that we gave. It was like, compared to

1013
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: a thirty year they would pay a quarter mill in interest,

1014
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: but compared to a fifty year they're paying.

1015
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: A million million a million.

1016
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: Dollars for like a five hundred thousand dollars home over

1017
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: the lifetime of your mortgage. I saw a hilarious tweet

1018
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 3: where there was an old man like in a diner

1019
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: and he's like, he's owned this place for forty nine

1020
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: years and somebody said he's only got one.

1021
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: More year to pay it off.

1022
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: It's like, can you imagine that?

1023
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: Like, if you buy a house of your thirties, you're

1024
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: eighty years old, and you might pay it off, and

1025
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: let's say you move after eight years, which the average

1026
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: person does whenever they have it, You're gonna have zero

1027
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: equity after closing costs. You're gonna be flipped upside down

1028
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: like most people, you know how most people are upside

1029
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 3: down on the car loans. You're gonna start having people

1030
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 3: negative equity in their home loans. That's what the net

1031
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: result of a fifty year more having in gra Actually

1032
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: that's exactly what, exactly what?

1033
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and it's also it's you know, for a

1034
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: guy who's supposed to be like this post liberal president

1035
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: is the most neoliberal idea you could possibly come up with.

1036
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: Like we're it's a market based solution, you know, like

1037
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: we're not going to actually do anything to help you

1038
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: or like, you know, actually come in and shape the

1039
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: markets and then more housing is being built. We're just

1040
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: gonna make it so that banks can builk you for

1041
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: even more interest and you can be even more in

1042
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: debt than you already are. So yeah, there's a reason

1043
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: why that idea was panned across the board. I actually

1044
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: want to play next B six, which is Scott Bessen

1045
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: speaking of the two thousand dollars idea, which is a

1046
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 2: complete and total fantasy that'sn't really gives away the game

1047
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: here because he's asked. He's asked like, okay, so what

1048
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: form is that going to come in? Let's go and

1049
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: take a lot. This is B six. Let's listen to this.

1050
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 9: The two thousand dollars dividend could come in lots of forms,

1051
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 9: in lots of ways, George. You know, it could be

1052
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 9: just the tax decreases that we are seeing on the

1053
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 9: president's agenda. You know, no tax on tips, no tax

1054
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 9: on overtime, no tax and solid security deductibility of auto loans.

1055
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 9: So you know, those are substantial deductions that are being

1056
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 9: financed in the tax bill.

1057
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 16: Because of all the extra tax revenue, there isn't more

1058
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 16: room to get checks back to people.

1059
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 17: So when people hear that, what's the reality of it?

1060
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 17: When do you think that people would get these two

1061
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 17: thousand dollars checks in the mail from the White House

1062
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 17: from this plan.

1063
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 16: Well, again, it will have to be passed by Congress.

1064
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 16: But the reality is just this that because of Biden's inflation,

1065
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 16: which average five percent over four years, that people on

1066
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 16: average lost about thirty four hundred dollars in purchasing power,

1067
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 16: and they've gained about twelve hundred this year. But there's

1068
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 16: still room to go, and so we're making up ground fast.

1069
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 16: But the fact is that people are still down about

1070
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 16: two thousand dollars relative to what their purchasing power was

1071
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 16: when Joe Biden took office, And so we understand that

1072
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 16: people feel like there's an affordability problem, but we're closing

1073
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 16: the gap fast, and with these policies and potentially you know,

1074
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 16: rebate checks, we might close the whole gap really really fast.

1075
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 17: Okay, really fast, but you won't say exactly when, whether

1076
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 17: that's Q one the next year, not me, not yet Okay.

1077
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 4: So you've got Besin saying like.

1078
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll show up that conduction if you think about it,

1079
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: You've already gotten two thousand dollars stimulus if you really

1080
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: think about it in the right way.

1081
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 4: You know, we did that whole.

1082
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 2: Tax cut thing, and mostly one to the rich, but

1083
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: still a little tiny shreds of it may have gone

1084
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: to you to no tax on tips that could be

1085
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 2: the form. And then you have has it who's like, well,

1086
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: let's talk about Joe Biden. You know we're bad under him,

1087
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: and like maybe low key. The two thousand dollars that

1088
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: you're going to get is in theoretical increased purchasing power

1089
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Speaker 2: from lower inflation. So you know that it demonstrates to

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Speaker 2: you just how real of an idea it is, and

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Speaker 2: has it even says like, look, actual checks would have

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Speaker 2: to go through Congress.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I said, all right, I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: the whole thing is a farce.

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh you're gonna get it.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like the way they did Social Security,

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Speaker 3: where they technically made Social Security tax free by making

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Speaker 3: it a tax eligible like on your in terms of

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Speaker 3: your deduction. It's too complicated to explain, but the basics

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Speaker 3: is eighty eight percent of people get Social Security. They

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Speaker 3: get it when they file their taxes in terms of

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Speaker 3: being tax free. It's not that they get like less

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Speaker 3: of a check or more of a check, if that

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Speaker 3: makes sense. So this is the similar way where they

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Speaker 3: always are trying to play with it, and.

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Speaker 1: It just reminds me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for for all of the talk about moving

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Speaker 3: back Paul Ryan on are my big brain moments where

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Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit, these people are so out

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Speaker 3: of touch. Is I was dragged to this meeting with

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Speaker 3: Paul Ryan. I guess it's just like twenty seventeen. He

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Speaker 3: like sat back in his chair and he was like,

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Speaker 3: as a result of our tax legislation, the average American

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Speaker 3: will save seven hundred and eighty dollars and that is

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Speaker 3: enough to remodel their kitchen. And I was like, seven

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty dollars a year, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: that's what you're sitting here bragging to me about. I

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Speaker 3: was like, what a joke. I was like, these people

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Speaker 3: are done. They're gonna lose. And that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said. First of all, it's not enough

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Speaker 1: to remodel kitchen. All right, I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: he's gonna buy stink.

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Speaker 4: All right, we can get some new hardware on the cabinets.

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Speaker 1: It was twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: It was twenty seventeen, so I guess there was less inflation.

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Speaker 3: But I even at that time, I didn't know at

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Speaker 3: a home. It was like living in a shithole apartment.

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Speaker 1: But even at that.

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Speaker 3: Time, I was like, I don't think that's enough to remodel.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure. But that's the level of discourse that

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Speaker 3: they awe. These people all try to fall back on,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know, it's pathetic. It's genuinely pathetic. And

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Speaker 3: it also shows how out of touch they are really

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Speaker 3: with consumer sentiment. Something that we had been flagging here.

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Speaker 3: We used to flag it a lot into the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: You can do it now to the University of Michigan

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Speaker 3: survey brutal for the way that people feel about the economy.

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Speaker 1: B five. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 18: This is consumer sentiment, the current conditions. Consumer sentiment can

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Speaker 18: be the current conditions or it can be future expectations.

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Speaker 18: We're looking at current conditions. And get this. According to

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Speaker 18: the University of Michigan, we are dealing with the worst ever,

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Speaker 18: the worst ever view of current conditions, dating all the

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Speaker 18: way back since nineteen hundred and fifty one. This is

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Speaker 18: record breaking in the way you don't want to be

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Speaker 18: breaking records. And get this, Kate. It is down thirty percent.

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Speaker 18: Consumer sentiment of current conditions down thirty percent from January

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Speaker 18: when Donald Trump took office.

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Speaker 6: But take a look here Trump blamed.

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Speaker 18: Trump's policies have worsened economic conditions in America.

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Speaker 6: Look at this. We're dealing with a super majority here.

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Speaker 18: We're talking about more than three in five Americans, sixty

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Speaker 18: one percent, who say that Trump's policies have worsened economic

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Speaker 18: conditions in America. How about worsened your own finances. Again,

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Speaker 18: we're dealing with a majority here. Fifty one percent of

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00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 18: Americans say that Trump's policies have worsened your own finances.

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Speaker 6: This is double trouble for the president of the United States.

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Speaker 6: I decide to look at pure.

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Speaker 18: Pure independence, those who don't lean towards either side, and

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Speaker 18: look at this disapproof of Trump on the economy among

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Speaker 18: pure independence.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about four and five seventy nine percent. On'm

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Speaker 6: laughing because you rarely ever see a number this high.

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Speaker 18: Seventy nine percent of pure independence disapproof of Trump on

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Speaker 18: the economy.

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Speaker 6: How about this? This is no outlier, Kate.

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Speaker 18: This is no outlier because look at Marquette University, their

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00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 18: law school, seventy six percent of pure independence disapprove of

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Speaker 18: Trump on the economy.

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Speaker 6: When you put it all together with.

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Speaker 18: The approval ratings, it averages out to a net approval

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Speaker 18: rating on the economy among pure independence of get this

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Speaker 18: minus fifty eight points.

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Speaker 1: Who what a disaster.

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Speaker 3: There's like, no, there's barely even words. You have to

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Speaker 3: bring all of that together. So good luck you're Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: Now that's basically the same numbers that we're racking up

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. We covered it here day in

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00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 3: and day out. They lost their way. What happened after that?

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00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: They became laser focused on you. Oh, they became labor

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00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: focused on a foreign war, they were seen as doing

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Speaker 3: not enough for people who were at home.

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Speaker 1: They seemed like they.

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00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 3: Were out of touch, old and focusing on the wrong things,

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Speaker 3: and then trying to dominate.

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Speaker 1: It on some culture issues. Shall shall we all remember

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Speaker 1: how that all played?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for the election.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's like the script is written during the

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Speaker 2: press conference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, same shit.

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Speaker 3: I mean the script is written by the way. It's

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00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 3: actually similar sycophantic dynamics. The King was obviously you know,

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Speaker 3: Biden was obviously decrepit and dementia ridden by twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 3: if not even whenever he ran, nobody could say it.

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Speaker 1: If you did, you were a conspiracy theorist.

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Speaker 3: Well, this time around with Trump, it's like if you

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Speaker 3: say even anything even moderate like MTG about hey, I

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Speaker 3: think we should focus a little bit on price, is

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Speaker 3: you get xcis like the Dean Phillips of the world

1201
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Speaker 3: or any of the other Democrats who tried to originally

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Speaker 3: And then eventually, sometime around mid twenty twenty seven, in

1203
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: the middle of the election, everyone can start to say

1204
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: the truth out loud, and there will be a civil war.

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Speaker 1: And at that point, what do you think is going

1206
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Speaker 1: to happen. You know, it seems shit literally all over again.

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Speaker 2: You know, of all those numbers that Harry Anton put

1208
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: up there, the one that really struck me the most

1209
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 2: is where it's at a majority of people actually say

1210
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: Trump's economic plan has directly hurt me. Because a lot

1211
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Speaker 2: of times you'll have a negative sense overall of the economy,

1212
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: but people will say what I'm actually doing. Okay, there

1213
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: you had very little discrepancy between the percent who were

1214
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: saying Trump's policies have made the economy worse and percent

1215
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: that said Trump's policies have made my life worse, directly,

1216
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: my economic situation worse. So when you have a majority

1217
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: who are feeling that direct impact, yeah, that is that

1218
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Speaker 2: is political.

1219
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Speaker 1: He tied himself to the tariffs. He made it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the economy was the number one thing when

1221
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 3: he ran obviously, and then too we tied himself directly

1222
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Speaker 3: to the tariffs. People either felt the problems with the

1223
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Speaker 3: tariffs or they feebled the general chaos with their stock

1224
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: portfolios or anything. I mean, if you look, you and

1225
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Speaker 3: I run a business for that entire Liberation Day period,

1226
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: we were like no big expenses like at our company.

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00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: How many other people are like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a ton Look at the job market,

1229
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: there's a ton of people who were like man between

1230
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Speaker 3: AI and the government and all this other nonsense, not hiring.

1231
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Speaker 1: Or we're firing.

1232
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 3: We're just we're spending no big money projects which originally

1233
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: may have been green lit or not being green lit.

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Speaker 3: This stuff cascades throughout the whole US economy, and you know,

1235
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: home prices flat or high, mortgage rates flat basically not

1236
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Speaker 3: that you know, much lower than they were, these electric.

1237
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Speaker 1: Bills going higher.

1238
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Speaker 3: I mean, genuinely economically, what's all that different from last year?

1239
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: I can't think of saying if anything is worse if

1240
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: you look at all the private data. By the way,

1241
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: when the shutdown ends and we actually get some of

1242
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 3: that some of those numbers, bls, it's going.

1243
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Speaker 1: To be bad. I was just looking.

1244
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Speaker 3: ADP, you know, just this morning put out a new

1245
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 3: put out a new report which here let me just

1246
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: pull it up very quickly, but ADYP just had a

1247
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Speaker 3: payroll report that came out, you know, I think maybe

1248
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 3: like an hour ago or so, which showed you know,

1249
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Speaker 3: the exact similar types of losses in terms of payrolls.

1250
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Speaker 3: So it's just it's not good. It's it's really all

1251
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 3: of the data points. Same with Biden. He wasn't singularly

1252
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 3: focused on it. To most people, it's quite obvious Trump

1253
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 3: cares more about some bullshit Nobel Peace Prize nonsense.

1254
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Speaker 4: Well, and you have the.

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Speaker 2: Insult injury of Trump to throwing these opulent you know, yeah,

1256
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Speaker 2: the best part of the too at mar A Lago

1257
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Speaker 2: and building out his east wing and redecorating his Marvel

1258
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Speaker 2: bathroom and whatever. So you have not only are not

1259
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Speaker 2: focused on me, but you are, you know, living this

1260
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Speaker 2: lavish Great Gatsby roaring twenties, you know, like opulent lifestyle

1261
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: in all of our faces and giving away the store

1262
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Speaker 2: to a bunch.

1263
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Speaker 4: Of billion.

1264
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Speaker 3: Turning down to Galaine Maxwell. There of course, was a

1265
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Speaker 3: big pause in any potential vote on the Epstein files

1266
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Speaker 3: in the United States Congress. Some fifty four days they

1267
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Speaker 3: stayed out of session, including refusing to swear in a

1268
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Speaker 3: new Democratic member of the House because she would have

1269
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Speaker 3: signed a discharge petition to force a vote on set

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Speaker 3: Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: Attelita Grihalva.

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Speaker 3: She has now officially traveled here to Washington, DC to

1273
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Speaker 3: be sworn in and will probably be shining this petition

1274
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Speaker 3: very shortly.

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Speaker 1: Here's what she had to say.

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Speaker 19: So it looks like I'm going to get sworn in

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Speaker 19: this week after seven weeks of waiting. I almost can't

1278
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 19: believe it's true. I am really upset that the one

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Speaker 19: of the first votes that I will take is on

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Speaker 19: a bill that does nothing for affordable health care for

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Speaker 19: the American people. And I also have to say that

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Speaker 19: we have to do something to make sure that one

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Speaker 19: person can't silence the voices of eight hundred and thirteen

1284
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Speaker 19: thousand people. This can never happen again to another member

1285
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 19: elect that is waiting in the wings because someone doesn't

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Speaker 19: want to do their job or because they're playing politics.

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Speaker 1: So that was Adelite de Grijalva.

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Speaker 3: She won that special election Mike Johnson and who decided

1289
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Speaker 3: not to swear her in again largely because of the

1290
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Speaker 3: Epstein situation. And at the very same time, we're getting

1291
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Speaker 3: some very very troubling details from a whistleblower inside of

1292
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Speaker 3: the federal prison system.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up here on the screen.

1294
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Speaker 3: This is from the Jeffrey Epstein case regarding Gallaine Maxwell

1295
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Speaker 3: and her current club fed treatment. Now, according to a

1296
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 3: whistleblower who has approached the United States Congress. They are

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Speaker 3: saying that Maxwell has received what was described as quote

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Speaker 3: concierge style treatment at the minimum security prison camp she

1299
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Speaker 3: was transferred to, including customized meals, permission to go to

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Speaker 3: exercise after hours, time to play with a puppy that

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Speaker 3: was being trained by an inmate to become a service dog,

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Speaker 3: among other things.

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Speaker 1: So you could see that is a little bit interesting.

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Speaker 3: The whistleblower, by the way, way also claims that a

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Speaker 3: top official at the prison camp complained he is quote

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00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 3: sick of having to be Maxwell's bitch. I mean, they're fair,

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Speaker 3: it's objectively crazy. You're running a federal prison camp. Most

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Speaker 3: of the inmates are fraudsters, white people. They are white

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Speaker 3: collar criminals. You're not even you're not even allowed in

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Speaker 3: this prison if you're a sex offender like Gallaine Maxwell,

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Speaker 3: if you're a murder or whatever you must he there's

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Speaker 3: something called a points system. I was doing some research

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Speaker 3: in the federal prison system, Like you need a very

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00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 3: very low number of like points like violent crime and

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Speaker 3: all that usually keeps you out a place like a

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Speaker 3: federal prison camp. Pedophiles and all that, they're not allowed

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Speaker 3: in there either. It's a very specific type of inmate.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a cushy place, that's why it is

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Speaker 3: what it is. And they have a lot of they

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00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: have a lot of like leeway. There's not as many guards,

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00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 3: a lot of them. You know, they can smuggle food

1322
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: in or whatever. Like people kind of look the other way.

1323
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 3: So when Glaine shows up here, these guys are not

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Speaker 3: First of all, it's the type of inmate who's not

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00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: even supposed to be there. But then second there's obviously

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00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 3: pressure from some about her treatment inside of this prison him.

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Speaker 3: So if a top prison official is saying, I'm tired

1328
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 3: of being her bitch, somebody is telling him you have

1329
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 3: to be her bitch. Who is that person? Is it

1330
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Speaker 3: in the doj at the Beer of Prisons? You know

1331
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: all of this by the way, I mean the Beer

1332
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 3: of Prisons? Are we all going to forget? Was the

1333
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: entity which oversaw the suicide, released the video if you

1334
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 3: want to call it that, of the evidence again, if

1335
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Speaker 3: you want to call it, who covered up and did

1336
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 3: the investigation, you know, of the so called suicide, which

1337
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 3: there's a million holes to run through. So this stuff

1338
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: just stinks, I mean, the entire thing, Yes, thinks, I

1339
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: mean we.

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Speaker 2: Know it comes from Trump, Like there's no there's no

1341
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: mystery around it. We know she knows stuff he doesn't

1342
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: want out. She has all this power and leverage. You know,

1343
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: ever since she started getting her cushy treatment. Guess what

1344
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: the least of the Wall Street Journal and everywhere else stopped.

1345
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: She got her prison transfer. She gets to hang out

1346
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: with their puppy. Another thing that they said here that

1347
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 2: was noteworthy is she gets to have more access with

1348
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: visitors who have compute so that she can have you know,

1349
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: outside electronic communications against something that is completely barred and

1350
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: banned for any of the other inmates who committed much

1351
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: lesser like crimes than she committed. So it's insane. I mean,

1352
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: it's totally obvious what's going on here. She has dirt

1353
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: on Trump or on his friends or all of the

1354
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: above that he doesn't want to be made public. And

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01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: so you know, in fact, like, not only is this

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01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: prison official her bitch, but Trump is her bitch. He's

1357
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: doing her bidding and getting her the special treatment. That's

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Speaker 2: what's happening here. And oh, by the way, she's also

1359
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: putting in her application for her sentence to be commuted,

1360
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: and Trump has been going on a pardon spree, pardoned

1361
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Speaker 2: all these fake electors part of the like you know,

1362
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: January sixth, stop the steel bullshit, just pardoned them. I

1363
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,959
Speaker 2: saw someone else, the husband of this Republican representative, just

1364
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: just gotten pardoned this morning for some sort of health

1365
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: care fraud that he committed, by the way, as we're

1366
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: talking about healthcare. And so she's on the list for

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01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: potential partner commutation, and every time he gets asked about it,

1368
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: he won't deny, he won't rule it out whatsoever. So

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Speaker 2: I think everyone should expect that that is a very

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Speaker 2: likely outcome, especially when you see the details of the

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01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: special treatment, the cushy concierge style treatment that she's receiving

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Speaker 2: at this club fed.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can draw another conclusion at this point.

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Speaker 3: It's like it just has to be some very high

1375
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 3: level people in the White House who are telling them

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Speaker 3: this is the way that it all has to be treated.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how else can you explain, you know, all

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01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 3: of the changes in policy and the prison movement, and

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01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 3: now the top prison officials saying that she's treating me

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Speaker 3: like her bitch.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 3: The commutation, I still like as corrupt as I believe

1383
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 3: things are and as crazy as I things are. The fact,

1384
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 3: like if he commuted her sentence, I can you even

1385
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 3: imagine like the the break no no, because no, no no, I

1386
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 3: mean the reaction. I'm not saying he wouldn't do it.

1387
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 3: I'm saying the reaction to that. It would confirm everything.

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01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: But the react, the reactions wild because Maga has mostly

1389
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: shut up about this at this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but even that would be I mean, I would

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01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: hope it's a it's a bridge too far. I did

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01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: say that, you know a lot of these people are

1393
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 3: sick of fans and all that, But like, or would

1394
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 3: we really all just sit here and allow something like

1395
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 3: that to go?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, but look, I could be wrong.

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Speaker 3: I do want to say I want to give a

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Speaker 3: major shout out to Ryan Grimm, who I mean, story

1399
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 3: after story from Ryan and from oz Over at drop

1400
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 3: site is just confirming beyond my wildest dreams when I

1401
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 3: laid out all of the Israel connections with Epstein. If

1402
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 3: I had this stuff, I would have been less careful

1403
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 3: in my language. And I'm in like one hundred percent

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01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: I'm willing to just say it out loud. Let's put

1405
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 3: his story up here on the screen here, he had

1406
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 3: a blog.

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01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: You guys broke this down on a Friday show.

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 3: But Epstein helped Sell, helped Israel sell the surveillance state

1409
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 3: to coat de war an African nation, And some of

1410
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 3: the allegations inside of the story are absolutely wild. They

1411
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 3: talk about his relationship with aud Barack, about the sale

1412
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 3: of his military technology, about the daughter of this leader

1413
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 3: and how she herself was ensnared kind of within his scheme.

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01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 3: This is just one of the latest Epstein stories that

1415
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: they've dropped. They dropped previously one that also involved Africa

1416
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 3: Israeli intelligence. He's got a new one actually out just

1417
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 3: this morning.

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Speaker 4: We go ahead, hold up.

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01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 2: Israeli spy stayed for weeks at a time at Jeffrey

1420
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: Epstein's mansion. Leaked email show Epstein working on a wire

1421
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: transfer to Ahood Barrock's top aid Yoni Korn, who regularly

1422
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: stayed at his mansion. I'll read you the lead of this.

1423
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: So this is again Ryan and Mas An Israeli military

1424
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: intelligence officer, stayed at Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan apartment on at

1425
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: least three occasions, including once in February twenty thirteen while

1426
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 2: working as a senior aide who then Israeli Minister of

1427
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 2: Defense Ahood Barrock. Yoni Koran made his intelligence career working

1428
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: in covert operations alongside the massade. Remained a lieutenant colonel

1429
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: in reserve duty after he officially left the Intelligence Directorate.

1430
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: He stayed in Epstein's apartment again for two weeks in

1431
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 2: October twenty fourteen, and a third time for ten more

1432
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: days in September twenty fifteen. Dropsite compiled evidence of these

1433
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 2: days from schedules released by the House Oversite Committee last

1434
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: month and Barock's hacked emails. On all three trips, Korn

1435
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: appeared to be conducting official or unofficial business. A Times

1436
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: of Israel article from late January twenty thirteen, a few

1437
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: weeks before Korn's first documented stay, identifies him as still

1438
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: actively serving as the bureau chief for the Israeli Ministry

1439
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: of Defense that month, and it goes on from there.

1440
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, TLDR. This guy Israeli military intelligence officer, high

1441
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: level senior aid to the Defense Minister, then Defense Minister

1442
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: of Israel Ahood Barock, staying at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion on

1443
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: the Upper East Side for two weeks at a time,

1444
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: you know, ten days, two weeks while he's conducting business.

1445
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's confirmed, like it's confirmed he was an

1446
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: intelligent asset for Israel, period dusted we know now. And

1447
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 2: the other wild thing that we always bring out, and

1448
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: I think really bears mentioning, is you know, Ryan and Maas,

1449
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: they're just going through things that have been publicly released now,

1450
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: either from the Hospital Side Committee or from these mostly

1451
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 2: from these hacked emails. This is all available to any

1452
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 2: news outlet who cares to look through them and do

1453
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: the reporting.

1454
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 4: And none of them do.

1455
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: None of them care to go through the emails, none

1456
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 2: of them want to put this sort of information out

1457
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 2: in the public domain. And that is wild. That is

1458
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 2: incredibly revealing in and of itself.

1459
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 3: Again, I wish I had this six months ago when

1460
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 3: I was really like on a tour of it, because like,

1461
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 3: this is all this is actually what I needed, like

1462
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 3: the actual steakecraft stuff, behind the scenes, of the nitty

1463
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 3: gritty on how you are a very useful person. One

1464
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 3: of the things also that always annoyed me is the assumption,

1465
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 3: you know, when we talked about intelligence asset was that

1466
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: they're being run by Israel or run by ci.

1467
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: It's not like that. The point was is that he

1468
01:05:58,640 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: had a blackmail scheme or what.

1469
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 3: Who knows what exactly what he was doing behind the scenes,

1470
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 3: but he had access to a lot of sketchy money

1471
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: circles that was very convenient for huge numbers of intelligence agencies,

1472
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 3: power brokers, et cetera, with a lot of these Israeli

1473
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 3: public officials, and he used his influence behind the scenes

1474
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 3: here obviously to benefit the state of Israel. Four separate

1475
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 3: Times documented that Ryan and mas have now shown us

1476
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 3: I mean, what else do you want? How else would

1477
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 3: you describe that relationship? Right, we don't need anything else.

1478
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,959
Speaker 2: Here, straining the you know, language and definitions exactly, saying

1479
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: that it's.

1480
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Speaker 1: Just it's open it shut.

1481
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 3: If this was any other person, if you just neutral said,

1482
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 3: here are for separate instances where he acted and used

1483
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 3: his private influence to benefit a foreign state, how would

1484
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 3: you describe that person who also was involved with like

1485
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 3: this trafficking ring and was also an extremely high networth

1486
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 3: individual under extremely suspicious circumstances. Come on, all right, I

1487
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 3: mean it's like a movie character. It would be so

1488
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 3: obvious to any neutral observer. But yeah, I mean, this

1489
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 3: is where the mainstream press stuff and Maga. I mean

1490
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 3: they pretended to care. Nobody's caring anymore. Yet they got this.

1491
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: Nobody retweets, nobody covers it. It all just is out

1492
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 3: in the open. Obviously, it's great.

1493
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 4: You know where the free press at.

1494
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they're interviewing Mosa You remember that. Remember when

1495
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 3: she interviewed Mosad Barry and she was like, so was

1496
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 3: Epstein ever Mosad?

1497
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: And he was like, no, of course not. You know,

1498
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: it's like it would never happen. Okay, I'll take your

1499
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: word for it.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm enjoying the Colombian president, Patro Gustava, Patrick

1501
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: Patro going after Trump on the Epstein front. And by

1502
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 2: the way, we just murdered some more random, you know

1503
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: people in the ocean. Two more boats were blown up,

1504
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 2: claiming to be.

1505
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 4: Just this time specific.

1506
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 3: At least it's no longer in the the Venezuela thing.

1507
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 3: I really, it has died down very recently. Kind of

1508
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 3: an interesting internal thing. I think the election had something

1509
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 3: to do with it, But I also kind of belie

1510
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 3: that some of the pushback that we were providing in

1511
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 3: terms of the intel and just how bullshit.

1512
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: The case was made it. It's somehow I really do

1513
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: think it. Actually, well, that's so different to some love.

1514
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: But in any case, I'm appreciating the Colombian president and

1515
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 2: taking Trump to task for his Epstein ties. He said recently,

1516
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 2: a clan of Pedophiles wants to destroy our democracy to

1517
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: keep Epstein's list from coming out. They send warships to

1518
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: kill fishermen and threaten our neighbor with invasion for their oil.

1519
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: They want to turn the region into another Libya full

1520
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 2: of slaves.

1521
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 4: So the Epstein, you know.

1522
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 3: As I have explained, mister Petros has gone global. Petro

1523
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 3: is desperate to get sanctioned because he's actually not that

1524
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 3: popular and he wants the Lula treatment. He wants Trump

1525
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 3: to sanction him so that he can become very popular

1526
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,440
Speaker 3: and his leftist coalition can prevail in Colombia.

1527
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: So that's mostly what explained. I mean, it's funny, you

1528
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: can't get me wrong. He's trying to.

1529
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 3: Say the most outrageous shit about Trump because he's desperately

1530
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 3: seeking some sanctions from the US State Department, who, by

1531
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 3: the way, the State Department is aware of this.

1532
01:08:58,439 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: Rubio doesn't want him.

1533
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 3: To get realized did and so his advice to the

1534
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 3: president has been sir, you just gotta have to shut

1535
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 3: up and take it.

1536
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: And knowing Trump, we'll see it's not gonna work.

1537
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Speaker 3: That's a little inside baseball for everybody here on the show.