WEBVTT - Drury Lane Ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. This episode was originally

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be another edition of Ghosts of the British Isles.

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<v Speaker 1>This sort of still is, but it ended up being

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<v Speaker 1>all about specifically theatrical ghosts. As Andrew Dixon wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>an article for The Guardian in twenty fifteen, quote, there

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<v Speaker 1>is barely a theater in Britain that doesn't claim a

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<v Speaker 1>resident spook. History is littered with stories of phantoms, glimpsed

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<v Speaker 1>in the orchestra stalls or on stage, presences felt but unseen.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this particular episode is about theatrical ghosts. But

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<v Speaker 1>theatrical ghosts associated with one place, and that place is

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<v Speaker 1>specific and it has its own interesting history. That is

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<v Speaker 1>the Theatre Royal drury Lane. This theater is known by

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of names. Theater Royal drury Lane is one,

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps its most accurate one, but it is more

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<v Speaker 1>often called the drury Lane Theater, sometimes just the Dreary,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. I picked this one because it's considered the

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<v Speaker 1>most haunted. But the thing is The ghost stories that

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<v Speaker 1>it has are many in number, but there's not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of documentation about these sightings. So I thought, first

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<v Speaker 1>we would talk about this theater's history because it's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is one for the theater kids in the crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we are going to talk about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the ghosts that are associated with it, including one whose

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<v Speaker 1>ghost is a previous podcast subject, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about him being a haunting entity on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I went back and checked and heard nothing about it,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't think we did. We're like augmenting that story. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we did mention this theater a lot in it, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why as I was reading through that line, I

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<v Speaker 1>kept being like, why, why is this familiar? Yeah? I

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<v Speaker 1>kept looking back through stuff and then went uh oh yeah, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Theater Royal Drury Lane in London is the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest theater of the city that's still in regular use.

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<v Speaker 1>There've actually been multiple buildings on the site over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>but they all operated under the same charter. Because of

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<v Speaker 1>this theater's age, it is home to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>ghost stories. The theater is part of the City of Westminster.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a Borough of London and part of the city's

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<v Speaker 1>historic West End theater district. The name is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>little confusing because the theater's address and main entrance are

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<v Speaker 1>not on Drury Lane. They're on Catherine Street. Dury Lane

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<v Speaker 1>is one street over at the back of the theater.

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<v Speaker 1>The name may have come from another building that was

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<v Speaker 1>near the theater in its first incarnation, or because of

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<v Speaker 1>a renaming of the streets. One other theory is that

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<v Speaker 1>the name came from a previous theater run by the

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<v Speaker 1>Drury's first proprietor, which was and Drew Lane. The original

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<v Speaker 1>Theatre Royal Drury Lane opened on May seventh, sixteen sixty three.

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<v Speaker 1>It was built by Thomas Killigrew under a royal charter.

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<v Speaker 1>That charter was part of a rebuilding of the arts

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<v Speaker 1>in England that followed the Puritan into Regnum, that period

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<v Speaker 1>from sixteen forty nine to sixteen sixty when England was

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<v Speaker 1>a republic and not governed by a monarch. In the

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<v Speaker 1>time preceding the interregnum, the theater had been largely sponsored

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<v Speaker 1>by the Stuart Court, and when we say the theater

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<v Speaker 1>we mean the theater scene of London, not this theater.

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<v Speaker 1>After Charles the First was executed, an event that could

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<v Speaker 1>make a very good future episode. The Protestants sold his

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<v Speaker 1>art collection and banned theater for a variety of reasons

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<v Speaker 1>you will see summed up in different ways. When the

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<v Speaker 1>executed King's son, Charles the Second, regained the throne in

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen sixty, he was eager to re establish the cultural

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<v Speaker 1>institutions the Puritans had closed down. A charming contempt. Account

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<v Speaker 1>of the granting of this charter and another reads quote.

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<v Speaker 1>King Charles the Second, at his restoration granted two patents,

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<v Speaker 1>one to Sir William Davenant and the other to Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Killigrew Esquire and their several heirs and assigns forever for

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<v Speaker 1>the forming of two distinct companies of comedians. The first

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<v Speaker 1>were called the King's Servants, enacted at the Theatre Royal

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<v Speaker 1>in Drury Lane, and the other the Duke's Company, who

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<v Speaker 1>acted at the Duke's Theater in Dorset Garden. About ten

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<v Speaker 1>of the King's Company were on the Royal household establishment,

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<v Speaker 1>having each ten yards of scarlet cloth with a proper

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<v Speaker 1>quantity of lace, allowed them for liveries, and in their

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<v Speaker 1>warrants from the Lord Chamberlain were styled Gentlemen of the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Chamber. Whether the like appointments were extended to the

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<v Speaker 1>Duke's Company, I am not certain. Can I just tell

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<v Speaker 1>you how much I love the idea of having a

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<v Speaker 1>job or title where they're like, here's your bolt, so

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<v Speaker 1>a fabric, go have your clothes custom made. That sounds dreamy.

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<v Speaker 1>But to go back to the theater. Killigrew was a dramatist.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote the plays The Parsons, Wedding, the Prisoners and

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<v Speaker 1>Clara Scilla, and the theater company that Killigrew founded was

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<v Speaker 1>known as the King's Men in addition to the King's Servants,

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<v Speaker 1>and the theater opened with the nickname the King's Playhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>That theater, which costa reported two four hundred pounds to

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<v Speaker 1>build at the time, so that was pretty expensive, staged

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<v Speaker 1>The Humorous Lieutenant, a tragic comedy by John Fletcher, as

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<v Speaker 1>its opening play. The theater actually closed for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years, for sixteen sixty five and sixteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 1>but once it reopened it had a lot of success

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<v Speaker 1>for several years, but then that success was halted on

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<v Speaker 1>January twenty fifth, sixteen seventy two, when the theater burned

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground. The theater was rebuilt in sixteen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 1>though its footprint changed as it was expanded considerably. It

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<v Speaker 1>is believed, although not conclusively documented, that Sir Christopher Wren

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<v Speaker 1>may have been the architect responsible for its construction. When

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<v Speaker 1>the new four thousand pound facility opened on March twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen seventy four, Killigrew stayed on as Master of the Rebels.

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<v Speaker 1>In sixteen eighty two, the two companies that had been

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<v Speaker 1>formed in the sixteen sixty two charters were merged into one,

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<v Speaker 1>and Killigrew was still involved with this newly formed group

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<v Speaker 1>until his death, that was on March nineteenth, sixteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 1>One of Killigrew's most significant contributions to the theater was

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<v Speaker 1>the use of women actors instead of troops consisting exclusively

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<v Speaker 1>of men. Samuel Peeps noted in a diary entry from

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<v Speaker 1>before the opening of the Jury Theater play staged by Killigrew,

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<v Speaker 1>of which he says, quote and here the first time

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<v Speaker 1>that ever I saw women come upon the stage. Killigrew

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<v Speaker 1>continued this practice at Dury Lane. Yeah, that was not

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<v Speaker 1>common practice yet. From seventeen ten to seventeen thirty three,

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<v Speaker 1>the Drury Lane Theater was wildly successful, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>home to the earliest productions of a lot of famous plays.

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<v Speaker 1>The credit for this success is often given to the

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<v Speaker 1>way it was run, which was the work of three men,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Wilkes, Collie Sibber and Thomas Dogget. It was actually

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<v Speaker 1>sibbers autobiography that we read from in the account of

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<v Speaker 1>how the two charters were granted earlier. These men had

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<v Speaker 1>all been very closely tied to the theater for some time.

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<v Speaker 1>Early publications of the manuscript for the Humorous Lieutenant Liz

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<v Speaker 1>Cibber is one of the performers, and in seventeen thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>Barton Booth joined the three man management team when Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Dogget retired. But then in the seventeen thirties, when Sibbers retired,

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<v Speaker 1>the theater was taken over by Charles Fleetwood. Unlike his predecessor's,

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<v Speaker 1>Fleetwood was not a good manager. Under his leadership, a

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<v Speaker 1>series of events that came to be known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Drury Lane Riots took place. A letter from Horace Walpole,

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<v Speaker 1>who we've talked about on the show before, to Horace Mann,

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<v Speaker 1>who I don't think we've talked about on the show

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<v Speaker 1>for mentions being at one of these riots. Quote. The

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<v Speaker 1>town has been trying all this winter to beat pantomimes

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<v Speaker 1>off the stage. Fleetwood, the master of Drury Lane, has

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<v Speaker 1>omitted nothing to support them, as they support his house.

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<v Speaker 1>About ten days ago he let into the pit great

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<v Speaker 1>numbers of bear garden bruisers, that is the term, to

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<v Speaker 1>knock down everybody that hissed the pit. Rallied their forces

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<v Speaker 1>and drove them out. I was sitting very quietly in

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<v Speaker 1>the sideboxes, contemplating all this. On a sudden the curtain

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<v Speaker 1>flew up and discovered the whole stage filled with blaggards,

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<v Speaker 1>armed with bludgeons and clubs to menace the audience. This

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<v Speaker 1>raised the greatest uproar, and among the rest who flew

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<v Speaker 1>into a passion. But your friend, the philosopher in short,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the actors, advancing to the front of the

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<v Speaker 1>stage to make an apology for the manager. He had

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<v Speaker 1>scarcely begun to say, mister Fleetwood, when your friend, with

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<v Speaker 1>the most audible voice and dignity of anger, called out,

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<v Speaker 1>he is an impudent rascal. The whole pit huzzad and

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<v Speaker 1>repeated the words, only think of my being a popular orator.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that's adorable. I really loved reading a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of mariswaalbole stuff. When I was working on that,

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<v Speaker 1>I stood up and yelled, it's just so charming. The

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<v Speaker 1>cause of the riots is often choked up to rising

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<v Speaker 1>ticket prices, but modern scholarship makes the case that it

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<v Speaker 1>was really much more complex than that. Part of it

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<v Speaker 1>the inclusion of pantomimes instead of higher grade of theater,

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<v Speaker 1>which not everybody liked. Fleetwood had been steadily losing public

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<v Speaker 1>trust for years, and in the year before the riots,

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<v Speaker 1>the actors had a conflict with Fleetwood when he refused

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<v Speaker 1>to guarantee their wages for the season. The actors had

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<v Speaker 1>staged a walkout over treatment ten years earlier, in seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three, but in seventeen forty four, when this was

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<v Speaker 1>going on, their only recourse was to file a legal action.

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<v Speaker 1>They were no longer legally allowed to form their own

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<v Speaker 1>theater if they left this one. Although the actors did

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<v Speaker 1>lose their legal filing against Fleetwood, the whole thing left

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<v Speaker 1>Fleetwood's already weak reputation with the public just completely ruined.

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<v Speaker 1>After the seventeen forty four riots, he sold his stake

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<v Speaker 1>in the theater and left the country settling in France.

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<v Speaker 1>Will continue to discuss the many people who managed the

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<v Speaker 1>Theatre Royal Drury Lane, but we will first take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick sponsor break. In seventeen forty seven, the theater changed

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<v Speaker 1>hands yet again, to run under the management of David Garrick.

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<v Speaker 1>This was another period of incredible success and credit praise.

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<v Speaker 1>Garrick's Drury Lane run lasted three decades, and he appeared

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<v Speaker 1>in many of the venue's productions during that time. Before

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<v Speaker 1>he retired in seventeen seventy six, he gave a farewell

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<v Speaker 1>performance in a play called The Wonder In. This last

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<v Speaker 1>show for the beloved actor and manager was so anticipated

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<v Speaker 1>that it seemed that all of London showed up. There

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<v Speaker 1>was not enough space in the theater to accommodate the crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>Accounts note that the staging was changed that night so

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<v Speaker 1>that Garrick was alone on stage during his final lines

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<v Speaker 1>as he bid farewell to his life on the stage.

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<v Speaker 1>In seventeen seventy six, Richard Brinsley Sheridan took the helm

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<v Speaker 1>of the Jury Theater and he continued its run of excellence.

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<v Speaker 1>It was during his tenure there that he wrote and

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<v Speaker 1>premiered The School for scandal, but though the quality of

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<v Speaker 1>the plays was good, the quality of the building was not.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the years, a lot of problems had cropped up

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<v Speaker 1>in the theater and its age eventually surpassed management's ability

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<v Speaker 1>to keep up. In seventeen ninety one, the theater closed

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<v Speaker 1>temporarily in the building. This was, as you recall, the

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<v Speaker 1>second one was demolished. For the next several years, the

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<v Speaker 1>company continued to stage plays, but they were performed a

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<v Speaker 1>little less than a mile away at Theatre Royal Haymarket,

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<v Speaker 1>while the new building was erected at the Drury Lane location.

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<v Speaker 1>The third building for the Drury was designed by architect

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Holland and his project started right after the second

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<v Speaker 1>was torn down. When it opened in April seventeen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>it had this beautiful blue and white interior color scheme

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<v Speaker 1>described as just being very richly decorated. And this new

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<v Speaker 1>theater was once again bigger and could hold three thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred eleven audience members. This theater was built with

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<v Speaker 1>the latest and safety materials and was touted as being fireproof.

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<v Speaker 1>It even had a water tank series mounted above the

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<v Speaker 1>curtain to rapidly douse any flames on stage. But although

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<v Speaker 1>those fireproof claims were inaccurate, which is a sad theme

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<v Speaker 1>and supposedly fireproof theaters, it burned down in eighteen oh

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<v Speaker 1>nine and the Troop once again had to relocate to

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<v Speaker 1>the Haymarket then the Lyceum Theater, while the Jury was

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<v Speaker 1>rebuilt for the fourth time. One of the most delightful

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<v Speaker 1>aspects in my opinion of the fourth construction project was

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<v Speaker 1>that the architect Benjamin Dean Wyatt published a book about

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<v Speaker 1>its design titled Observations on the Design for the Theater

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Drury Lane as executed in eighteen twelve, accompanied by plans,

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<v Speaker 1>elevation and sections of the same. And the reason it's

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<v Speaker 1>delightful is that this book is available online. It is

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<v Speaker 1>something anybody can look at and will link it in

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes. It walks through the whole process from

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<v Speaker 1>the formation of a joint stock company and subscription sales

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<v Speaker 1>to fund the project, and Wyatt is very clear about

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge of this building project, noting quote the pecuniary

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassments of the property were at that time so great

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<v Speaker 1>that considerable doubts were entertained whether it would ever be

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<v Speaker 1>practicable to surmount those embarrassments. But they did get the

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<v Speaker 1>money together, and this fourth Theater is often referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as the Modern Theater. It's the one that is still

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<v Speaker 1>standing today. It took several years for the Fourth Theater

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<v Speaker 1>to be erected, but in eighteen twelve the jury opened again.

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<v Speaker 1>This marked the start of a really exciting time in

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<v Speaker 1>the theater, as the new facility was built to handle

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<v Speaker 1>large sets and could achieve more stunning visual effects. Five

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<v Speaker 1>years after the Modern Theater opened, the stage was lit

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<v Speaker 1>by gas lamps, making it the first theater in Britain

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<v Speaker 1>to do so. This new era headlined Edmund Keene as

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<v Speaker 1>its lead actor, and it did quite well for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Keene's death is very closely tied to the theater, as

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<v Speaker 1>he was in the middle of a performance of Othello

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen thirty three when he collapsed on stage, and

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<v Speaker 1>at that point his son Charles, who was playing Iago,

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<v Speaker 1>caught his father as he crumpled. Edmund reportedly said there

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<v Speaker 1>on stage, Oh God, I am dying. Speak to them, Charles.

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<v Speaker 1>He never recovered and he died a few weeks later.

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<v Speaker 1>After this, the theater again went through a rough phase

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<v Speaker 1>for the four decades after Keene's frightening collapse on stage.

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<v Speaker 1>The theater really didn't have a real success. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen it had been leased by Stephen Price, a theater

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<v Speaker 1>empresario from New York, and after he gave it up

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen thirty, the least kind of had a revolving

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<v Speaker 1>door of managers. Yeah, I was like, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to go through this whole list in the episode, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's literally like from April of this year to November

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<v Speaker 1>of this year, this guy tried it, got scared and left,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the next guy just tried to make a

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<v Speaker 1>quick buck and then he was out, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>next guy wanted to do something big but didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It's a very sad quick list of no accomplishments.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen seventy nine, Augustus Harris assumed management of the

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<v Speaker 1>Drury and he really invigorated the lagging space. Under Harris,

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<v Speaker 1>melodrama reigned supreme and it became one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>popular entertainments of London. After Harris, the Drury once again

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<v Speaker 1>had a successful leader at the Helm in Arthur Collins.

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<v Speaker 1>And Collins did not reinvent the theater's image. He continued

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<v Speaker 1>more or less in the vein of Harris. He basically

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<v Speaker 1>was like, we have a successful blueprint, I just need

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<v Speaker 1>to keep executing it. Musicals debuted at the Jury in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenties. Prior to this, it was considered the

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<v Speaker 1>home of dramatic theatrical performance, but it opened its stage

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<v Speaker 1>to musical theater to meet the demands of London's theatergoers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny because now a lot of plays had end

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<v Speaker 1>up on Broadway start in London and like musicals are

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<v Speaker 1>super big. At the time, it was like should we

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<v Speaker 1>do this our reputation. During World War Two, the theater

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<v Speaker 1>became the home of the Entertainment National Service Association. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>see that listed as ENSA. This organization was started to

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<v Speaker 1>provide entertainment to BRI's troops during the war, and its

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<v Speaker 1>first large scale production was a variety concert that was

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast by the BBC at the same time it was

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<v Speaker 1>being performed before an audience at the Dreary. The theater

0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.159
<v Speaker 1>did sustain minor damage from bombing during the war, but

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<v Speaker 1>was able to repair and reopen in nineteen forty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific eighteen sixty, a play written by Noel Coward, was

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<v Speaker 1>its first production after World War II, the theater was

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<v Speaker 1>given status as a Grade one Site of Historical Significance

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty eight. At the close of the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 1>the theater was purchased by Andrew Lloyd Weber, who wrote Katz,

0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Phanom of the Opera, Jesus Christ, Superstar and Avida, among others.

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<v Speaker 1>This was part of one hundred and forty five million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar bid that included nine other theaters in London. In

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<v Speaker 1>a press interview, Weber stated that this bold move was

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<v Speaker 1>about keeping room for fresh, unique material on the stage,

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<v Speaker 1>noting quote, it is vital that the theater be in

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<v Speaker 1>the hands of people who know and love the theater.

0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise our lifeblood is taken away from us, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>no room anymore for the old fashioned producer who will

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<v Speaker 1>back shows that take risks. I would like to think

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<v Speaker 1>that we will be more sympathetic to shows that deserve

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<v Speaker 1>a break to survive. There are lots of shows that

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<v Speaker 1>don't look good on paper and appear not to be

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<v Speaker 1>good business, where we'll say, let's get behind this and

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<v Speaker 1>hope it pays off. I love that. Incidentally, while I

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<v Speaker 1>was researching this, I discovered that if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>double last name. You have to hyphenate it in English

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<v Speaker 1>standard writing. That's how I found it out. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know when we call him Weber, if we should

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<v Speaker 1>call him Lloyd Webber or not. But Andrew Lloyd Weber

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<v Speaker 1>has really followed through on his promise. He spent or

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<v Speaker 1>reported sixty pounds to refurbish the theater, restoring it back

0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.359
<v Speaker 1>to its eighteen twelve design, while also modernizing it to

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<v Speaker 1>include new cafes and bars to make it like a

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<v Speaker 1>destination for your entire day. You could hang out there.

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<v Speaker 1>It added disability access, It added more comfortable seating as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a lot of various technical additions that enable

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<v Speaker 1>really state of the art production values. And this renovation

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<v Speaker 1>won the twenty twenty two Theater Building of the Year Award,

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<v Speaker 1>which I did not know about until I was working

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<v Speaker 1>in this but it is given out by the Stage

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<v Speaker 1>Awards each year. Okay, time for ghosts, but before we

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<v Speaker 1>dig into the spectral inhabitants of Juryland, we will hear

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<v Speaker 1>from sponsors that keep the show going. Because of its

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<v Speaker 1>long history, the theater in Drury Lane has long been

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<v Speaker 1>rumored to be haunted, and some of these ghosts have

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<v Speaker 1>great stories of their own. So first up is kind

0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.359
<v Speaker 1>of a short one. It's Charles Keene, the son of

0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.359
<v Speaker 1>actor Edmund Keene, who we mentioned earlier. You'll recall Edmund

0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:05.280
<v Speaker 1>collapsed into Charles's arms on stage. Charles, like his father,

0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.240
<v Speaker 1>became an actor, and he also became a theater manager,

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<v Speaker 1>and his ghost is said to frequently take a seat

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<v Speaker 1>in the front row and wait for plays to begin,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the curtain rises and the stage lights come up,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles vanishes. And then there's Charles Macklin. Macklin's ghost has

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<v Speaker 1>a good bit of documented backstory on why it might

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<v Speaker 1>be lurking in the theater, and that is related to guilt.

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<v Speaker 1>This story is often summed up as Charles Macklin murdered

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<v Speaker 1>another actor by stabbing him in the eye with his cane,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is technically correct, but the actual events as

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<v Speaker 1>they played out are more tragic. This is a case

0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.159
<v Speaker 1>where some petty bickering escalated in a way, but a

0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:51.000
<v Speaker 1>line was crossed accidentally, and it all began with a

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<v Speaker 1>wig in seventeen thirty five when Macklin, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>popular Irish actor who was at the height of his

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<v Speaker 1>fame at Their Dreary, had prepared to go on stage

0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 1>by dressing and applying his makeup, but he could not

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<v Speaker 1>find the wig that went with his outfit. He then

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<v Speaker 1>saw that actor Thomas Hallam was wearing it. Hallam was

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<v Speaker 1>a low ranking actor in the troop, kind of one

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<v Speaker 1>of those people that filled a lot of small extras

0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:20.120
<v Speaker 1>type roles, and seeing him and his wig incensed Macklin.

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<v Speaker 1>Hallam was persuaded to give up the wig and he

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<v Speaker 1>went to the props room to get another and switch out,

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<v Speaker 1>and that might have resolved things, but when Hallam then

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<v Speaker 1>came back with his new wig, he threw the original

0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.920
<v Speaker 1>wig at Macklin said something kind of, you know, incendiary,

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<v Speaker 1>and after a brief moment where it still seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>things might be okay, Macklin reportedly said to Hallam, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>God damn you for a blaggered scrub rascal. How durst

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<v Speaker 1>you have the impudence to take this wig. Hallam replied

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<v Speaker 1>by saying that Macklin was also a rascal, and Macklin

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<v Speaker 1>picked up his cane and thrust it in Hallam's face.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like this was intended like as an admonishment

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<v Speaker 1>and a threat. He was not trying to strike him

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<v Speaker 1>in the eye, but then Hallam was bleeding profusely from

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<v Speaker 1>his eye. Maclin later described his own shock at the

0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.040
<v Speaker 1>scene quote, good God, said, I what have I done?

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<v Speaker 1>And I threw the stick into the chimney. He sat

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<v Speaker 1>down and said to mister Ames's son, who was dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in woman's clothes, whip up your clothes, you little bee,

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<v Speaker 1>and urine in my eye. But he could not, so

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<v Speaker 1>I did. As we know, sometimes people have used urine

0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:43.800
<v Speaker 1>to treat wounds, thinking it was sterile. You don't do it.

0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Don't pee on wounds, and especially not eye wounds. But

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<v Speaker 1>Maclin really thought he was being a good guy uh

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<v Speaker 1>by doing so. But at this point this seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>a gross but minor injury. Hallam was taken into a

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<v Speaker 1>room to lie down where he could be treated. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the women in the troop was looking after him,

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<v Speaker 1>and meanwhile, the play started and Maclin went on and

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<v Speaker 1>did his role. But then when the show was over,

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Maclin was informed that the wound was actually quite serious

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and that it was very likely going to prove fatal,

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<v Speaker 1>and at that point he fled the theater. Hallum died

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<v Speaker 1>the following day, and Macklin surrendered himself to the police

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<v Speaker 1>after a wilful murder indictment was issued. Macklin was tried

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<v Speaker 1>at the Old Bailey and represented himself in the end.

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<v Speaker 1>After many character witnesses passed through to support Macklin's story

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<v Speaker 1>that the death had been accidental and that he had

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<v Speaker 1>been shocked and upset when he realized what had happened,

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<v Speaker 1>the actor was found guilty not of murder but of manslaughter.

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<v Speaker 1>His sentence was that he was quote to be branded

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<v Speaker 1>on the hand and discharged. It seems like he may

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<v Speaker 1>not have ever even been branded though, and when he

0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 1>went back to the stage he was applauded by the

0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>audience in attendance, although there were protesters who wanted him

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:08.520
<v Speaker 1>fired permanently. Yeah, he actually sued the organizer of those

0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 1>protests and won. It kind of dragged out for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time where he tried to kind of regain his reputation,

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:19.640
<v Speaker 1>and it dragged out because Macklin lived a long time

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 1>after this incident. He died in seventeen ninety seven at

0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the age of ninety seven. He appeared to have always

0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:29.959
<v Speaker 1>carried guilt with him though, regarding what had happened, and

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.840
<v Speaker 1>he is now said to be seen walking near the

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:36.760
<v Speaker 1>spot where he accidentally stabbed Hallum. We actually did a

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<v Speaker 1>whole episode on the life of the next Ghost. That

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<v Speaker 1>episode came out in twenty twenty three, although we did

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<v Speaker 1>not talk about his after life. This is Joseph Grimaldy.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the very short version of his life. Joseph Grimaldy,

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<v Speaker 1>who went by Joe, was born December eighteenth, seventeen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>eight into a theater family. His father, Giuseppo was known

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>to be harsh and abusive, and when the elder Grimaldi died,

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Joe became famous. He really eclipsed his father's reputation. Grimaldi's

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.520
<v Speaker 1>fame came from just how far he was willing to

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<v Speaker 1>push himself physically in the interest of comedic entertainment. He

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 1>would perform tumbling tricks, pratfalls, and all kinds of slapstick.

0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 1>And he painted himself stark white, which is why he

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>is sometimes called the first modern clown. Eventually, his physically

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.639
<v Speaker 1>demanding act wore down his health. He retired in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight. There are some aspects of Grimaldi's haunting story

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence of a bit of confusion or even some

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>willful obfuscation of reality to just bolster the stories of

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<v Speaker 1>a ghost, one that comes up a lot is that

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<v Speaker 1>he requested to be beheaded before being buried because he

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure he was not buried alive. So

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<v Speaker 1>this detail is usually used to explain stories that people

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<v Speaker 1>have of Grimaldi's clown painted head hovering in some of

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:03.199
<v Speaker 1>the theaters audience boxes, But it was actually his father

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 1>who made that request in his will. That is an

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 1>order that's said to have been carried out by Joseph's

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>sister Margaret. The stories of Grimaldy's theatrical hauntings are usually

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<v Speaker 1>pretty tame, although depending on your point of view, they

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 1>could be considered assaultive. He is known to kick people

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<v Speaker 1>in the rear. Often this is to get a hesitant

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>actor to go out on stage, or just as prankish

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>behavior behind the scenes, but there have also been actors

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 1>who stated that they could feel him moving them on

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the stage, sort of placing their limbs in a certain

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:38.119
<v Speaker 1>way or shifting the direction their body was facing, and

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<v Speaker 1>that the result was always a better reaction from the

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 1>audience than they were getting before Grimaldy's ghostly guidance. Grimaldy

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>is also alleged to haunt Joseph Grimaldy Park that was

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<v Speaker 1>once a cemetery, and it is where the clown is buried.

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Dan Lenno, who was born George Wild Galvin in eighteen sixty,

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:01.120
<v Speaker 1>is another well known ghost of the Dreary. His two

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is a story that's largely charming, but then has a

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 1>rather tragic end. He was born into performing. His entire

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>family was made up of traveling actors and comedians, and

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>he started on the stage as a toddler at age three.

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<v Speaker 1>Leno quickly rose to fame as a young adult and

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<v Speaker 1>became famous as a pantomime performer. He often appeared in

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<v Speaker 1>drag and was famous for a stage version of Mother

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<v Speaker 1>Goose with a title role written expressly for him. Leno

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<v Speaker 1>was dedicated to charitable works and took particular interest in

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<v Speaker 1>causes that helped other performers. Sometimes he is touted as

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<v Speaker 1>the highest paid performer of his day. He performed for

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<v Speaker 1>King Edward the seventh and was nicknamed the King's Jester

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<v Speaker 1>after the monarch gifted him an elegant tie pin. In

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen hundreds, but also in the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>Leno started misusing alcohol. This is apparently a problem that

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<v Speaker 1>ran in his family. In nineteen oh three, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a mental breakdow down, and he was institutionalized for several

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<v Speaker 1>months at London's Camberwell House Asylum. After his convalescence there,

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<v Speaker 1>he did return to the stage, but only briefly. He

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<v Speaker 1>gave a performance on October thirty first, nineteen oh four,

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<v Speaker 1>and he died that same night. His cause of death

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<v Speaker 1>is reported differently from source to source, citing everything from

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<v Speaker 1>heart trouble to overwork. Most modern historians think he had

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<v Speaker 1>some medical problem that was the result of alcohol misuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Comedian Stanley Lupino described his encounter with Dan Leno's ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>to the press in nineteen twenty three. The following account

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<v Speaker 1>from Lupino ran in The Register, a newspaper in Adelaide, Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote He stated that while asleep in his dressing room,

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<v Speaker 1>he was awakened by curtains moving and saw a form

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<v Speaker 1>flit across the room and disappear through a locked door.

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<v Speaker 1>Later he saw the face of Dan Leno. He rushed

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<v Speaker 1>out of the theater and spent the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>night at a hotel. The next evening, he said, ay

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<v Speaker 1>be well known in the theatrical world, who had come

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<v Speaker 1>to visit me and my wife was alone in my

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<v Speaker 1>dressing room while I was performing on the stage. She

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<v Speaker 1>fainted and afterwards, although she had heard nothing of my experience,

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<v Speaker 1>declared she had seen the ghost of Dan Lenno. Leno's

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<v Speaker 1>ghost is said to be heard clogging throughout the theater,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you catch a whiff of lavender, that is

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<v Speaker 1>also attributed to him, as he reportedly wore the scent

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<v Speaker 1>when he was alive. Sometimes it is Dan that gets

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<v Speaker 1>the credit for assisting performers with their staging and body

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<v Speaker 1>position instead of Grimaldi. He has even been reported to

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<v Speaker 1>pat actors on the back after a good show. Drury

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<v Speaker 1>Theater's most famous ghost, though, is the Man in Gray.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the one who's been spotted the most, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>also the one we know the least about. According to legend,

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<v Speaker 1>this man appears in the upper circle and he's dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteenth century clothing. He wears a tricorn hat and

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<v Speaker 1>a writing cloak and carries a sword. And the Man

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<v Speaker 1>in Girl is a very welcome spirit. It has become

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<v Speaker 1>one of those theater superstitions that his appearance blesses a

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<v Speaker 1>plays run. If you don't get the Man in Gray

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<v Speaker 1>to stop by during your pre production and rehearsals. Your

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<v Speaker 1>show might be doomed to flop. But who is he?

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<v Speaker 1>This is one that has a very compelling but awfully

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to corroborate detail that sometimes offered as the explanation

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<v Speaker 1>of his identity. Many accounts of the jury say that

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<v Speaker 1>during renovations in the nineteenth century a skeleton was discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>A nineteen thirty nine article about the theater written by

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<v Speaker 1>John Shan of The Guardian states of the man in

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<v Speaker 1>gray quote, this friendly apparition has been seen coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of the upper circle bar and vanishing through what was

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<v Speaker 1>once a passage to the stage by persons who know

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<v Speaker 1>nothing of the odd discovery made by workmen about eighty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, while making alterations a wall where is now

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<v Speaker 1>the upper circle bar was pulled down. Behind it was

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<v Speaker 1>a small room. It contained a table and a chair,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the chair sat a skeleton with a dagger

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<v Speaker 1>in its breast. You may laugh at the ghost, but

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<v Speaker 1>the skeleton is a fact. An inquest was held on it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I never managed to turn up any mention of

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<v Speaker 1>the skeleton or an inquest in any newspapers. You would

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<v Speaker 1>think that would have been written about. Additionally, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>wild and I mean wild range of dates given by

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<v Speaker 1>various sources for the renovation that uncovered this skeleton you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see them that run from eighteen forty all the way

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<v Speaker 1>into the late eighteen seventies. I searched throughout all of

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<v Speaker 1>those time periods with a variety of different search chains,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did not turn up a single newspaper mention

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<v Speaker 1>to that end. Holly also wanted to include another quote

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<v Speaker 1>from that twenty fifteen Guardian article that we mentioned at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the show. The writer Andrew Dixon conferred

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<v Speaker 1>with a woman and named Efa Monks, who's a theater

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<v Speaker 1>professor at Queen Mary University of London, about the theater

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<v Speaker 1>and why the theater community seems so prone to see ghosts.

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<v Speaker 1>Her answer was delightful. Quote. Theater is a ghostly experience

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about it. It's concerned with the unearthing

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<v Speaker 1>of texts that, in the case of the Greek tragedies,

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<v Speaker 1>might be two thousand years old, and an experience that

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<v Speaker 1>comes back night after night, but which also disappears in

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<v Speaker 1>front of your eyes as it does so sounds pretty

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<v Speaker 1>ghostly to me. I love that take. Yes, That's what

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<v Speaker 1>makes live theater so great, right, It's you're the only

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<v Speaker 1>people experiencing that moment in history together, which I love. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those are the Drury Lane ghosts. A little later on

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<v Speaker 1>the ghosts than I would have liked, but we just

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<v Speaker 1>don't have that much info. Yeah, I really wish I

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<v Speaker 1>could have unearthed some magical mention of the body or

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<v Speaker 1>skeleton allegedly found in the wall. Not a peep. If

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<v Speaker 1>there's one out there, I'd love to see it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do have listener mail from our listener Amanda, who writes,

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<v Speaker 1>Hello there, Holly and Tracy. This is my first time writing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just listened to your weekend classic on the

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<v Speaker 1>Bell Witch, and I couldn't have been more excited. Growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in Kentucky, everyone would hear tales of the bell

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<v Speaker 1>Witch around Halloween, but my first recollection of hearing the

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<v Speaker 1>story was from our lunch room monitor at our Catholic

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 1>elementary school during October. She would read any and all

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<v Speaker 1>ghost stories to us during lunch, but the bell Witch

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<v Speaker 1>always indicated the start of ghost story lunches for the school.

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<v Speaker 1>If you walked past our cafeteria, you would have seen

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred kids as quiet as mice waiting for the

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<v Speaker 1>next scare scene. Fast forward thirty years to your Saturday classic,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was back in that black and white tiled cafeteria.

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<v Speaker 1>But I really appreciate how toward the end both of

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<v Speaker 1>you discussed all the permutations of the legend. I was

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<v Speaker 1>listening waiting for things to be said that weren't, because

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<v Speaker 1>obviously each ghost story has their own embellishments. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say our Catholic elementary school's version had a down house,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would love to hear all of the local variations.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you both for such a wonderful show. You bring

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<v Speaker 1>so much joy and reverence to all the topics you share,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes listening each week a true pleasure. Attached is

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<v Speaker 1>my pet tax our German shepherd guardian angel Bear, who

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<v Speaker 1>would listen with me on our walks, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>our senior chunky orange boy Chewy fourteen years old, and

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<v Speaker 1>crazy baby girl Kenny, who's in October Baby. Like me,

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<v Speaker 1>All our babies are rescues, although Kenny came to us

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<v Speaker 1>via the cat distribution system and we couldn't be happier.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep up the incredible work and know the three of

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<v Speaker 1>us are always excited for the next episode. Bear is

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>so beautiful and these cats listen, I'm telling you, I

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<v Speaker 1>love a goofy orange cat. I just love them. And

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Kenny is also incredibly cute. So thank you, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for sharing this with us. I love the

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<v Speaker 1>Belwitch story and I love that that was part of

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:55.359
<v Speaker 1>their elementary school tradition. That time sounds great. I wonder

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 1>if they included the looking for her toothpart. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have a spawned an assortment of like local folklore, as

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<v Speaker 1>local ghost stories often do. Yeah, it's the best. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that makes Halloween great. It unites us.

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<v Speaker 1>We all want to hear the stories, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good way to share stories of our history, even if

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<v Speaker 1>they sometimes get a bit embellished. If you would like

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