Speaker 1: If we were in a battle together, he will be
Speaker 1: an incredible sniper shooter. I will just shoot into a
Speaker 1: run off ammunition. That's Qualcom's new CEO, Cristiano Aman, on
Speaker 1: the difference between himself and the chip maker's former CEO,
Speaker 1: Steve Mollenkom. Hi everyone, I'm Emily Chang and this is
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Studio one point oh, a series where I speak
Speaker 1: with the biggest influencers in technology and media. Over the
Speaker 1: last decade, I've had in depth conversations with the very
Speaker 1: people shaping the future of business, hearing their vision for
Speaker 1: what comes next. Today we talk all things chips as
Speaker 1: we speak to the newly minted CEO of one of
Speaker 1: the leading companies in the semiconductor industry. Their chips are
Speaker 1: in so many of the devices we use every day,
Speaker 1: but Qualcom is still far from being a household name.
Speaker 1: Christiano Aman, Qualcom's new CEO, wants to change that. He
Speaker 1: grew up in Brazil, got his first job in Japan
Speaker 1: in the mobile industry, and never left. He served at
Speaker 1: Qualcom through prolonged legal battles with one of its biggest customers, Apple,
Speaker 1: and hopes to USh You're in a new era for
Speaker 1: Qualcom that expands beyond mobile, two cars, cloud computing, IoT, VR,
Speaker 1: A R and more. How does he plan to do it?
Speaker 1: Joining me on this edition of Bloomberg Studio. At one point, Oh,
Speaker 1: Qualcom CEO Christiano, I'm on, Christiano. Is so great to
Speaker 1: have you here, Very happy to be here. Get to
Speaker 1: see you in personal Good to see you in person.
Speaker 1: And we talked in person when you were a president.
Speaker 1: But things have changed. Lot has changed, but it's good.
Speaker 1: Is life different or not that different? So it's a
Speaker 1: little bit different. I was busy before, you know, it's
Speaker 1: been running into some my conductor business has been present
Speaker 1: since a team, but it is different, kind of feel
Speaker 1: the weight of the responsibility of the CEO job. Having
Speaker 1: fun but busy, especially as the company is transforming. But
Speaker 1: I'm still the same guy. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: that guy. What was your upbringing? Like, what what kind
Speaker 1: of kid were you? You know, I was a very
Speaker 1: active kid. I was been somewhat hyperactive. I I I
Speaker 1: guess I chose engineering, uh because I think my dad
Speaker 1: was an engineer. But my mom would tell me that
Speaker 1: we'll break apart all the toys and put them back together.
Speaker 1: So I guess was a sign I want to do
Speaker 1: something with engineering. But I was a normal kid. I
Speaker 1: like as a kid, come back to school, you know,
Speaker 1: play on the streets, UH with UH with the other
Speaker 1: kids Brazil. A lot of things that you do. You
Speaker 1: just play soccer, uh and UH done a lot of that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what's uh? I had wonderful memories off the
Speaker 1: time in Brazil. You got your first job out of
Speaker 1: college in Japan was at the beginning of the cell
Speaker 1: phone and Uh, I got a job. I was hired
Speaker 1: by a Japanese company anyc uh, it's one of our
Speaker 1: customers today. That was the beginning where they were deploying
Speaker 1: analog settler in Brazil. I remember, you know, and I
Speaker 1: was working there and I had a cell phone, and
Speaker 1: UH it was people said, what is this? You know,
Speaker 1: there was a very few people with cell phone at
Speaker 1: the time. What I did realize is, you've actually always
Speaker 1: been working in the mobile industry since the beginning of
Speaker 1: your currents, the beginning of my career, since before mobile
Speaker 1: was mobile as we know it. Has it unfolded the
Speaker 1: way you imagined? No, I don't think nobody can can
Speaker 1: say that we we always knew And this would go
Speaker 1: back to I think my early Qualcom career, we always
Speaker 1: knew about the incredible potential of the wireless industry. But
Speaker 1: you know, if you think about where we started and
Speaker 1: in getting everyone a telephone, right, can everybody in the
Speaker 1: ward have a telephone without wires? Once you get to that,
Speaker 1: you'll think about, well, what if we connect us to
Speaker 1: the internet. The Internet was also you know, starting at
Speaker 1: that time to think what this wireless industry is. Today
Speaker 1: we have a computer in prove of our hands, and
Speaker 1: the transformation of this society that created by the smartphone.
Speaker 1: I think there's not something we could predict it. That's
Speaker 1: incredible and I feel very fortunate to be working in
Speaker 1: seller my entire career. You joined Qualcom more than years ago.
Speaker 1: How did you rise through the ranks? I guess I
Speaker 1: made the right choices to be working on things that
Speaker 1: were important. I've been Uh. I always had a passion
Speaker 1: for technology. I think one of the things that helped
Speaker 1: me within my career Qualcom is UM. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's true they tell me, I do that. Do
Speaker 1: we be able to see through corners, think strategically about things?
Speaker 1: And uh? But yes, it's Uh. It's an incredible journey
Speaker 1: and Uh, I love this company. Quaco's an incredible place
Speaker 1: for engineers and for me to get to the CEO,
Speaker 1: it's uh an incredible achievement, both professionally and personal. I
Speaker 1: think there's also somebody come from Brazil with Latin America
Speaker 1: bringing there. They're very few I think of us that
Speaker 1: roles to that position. So I also feel an incredible
Speaker 1: responsibility off off the weights have been you know, somebody
Speaker 1: that people can look at and say, look, we can
Speaker 1: do that. What's it like being an immigrant CEO? Do
Speaker 1: you think there's something different about your experience when you
Speaker 1: have a different upbringing. Uh. You can put that to
Speaker 1: your advantage as having a collection of experience that you
Speaker 1: can bring to place. It's not easy, um, doing business
Speaker 1: in Brazil. You know, sometimes you don't have the same resources.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of adversity. Uh. Growing up we
Speaker 1: had hyper inflation, you know, after at some point like
Speaker 1: a month, and you have to deal with adversity and
Speaker 1: you have to you have to make decision when the
Speaker 1: odds are not great. I took that with me and
Speaker 1: I think it had helped me and my career. Your predecessor,
Speaker 1: Steve Molenkov, had a more laid back more cautious style.
Speaker 1: Was very good at dealing with the thorny legal issues
Speaker 1: that Qualcom had to deal with, but didn't love the spotlight.
Speaker 1: How are your leadership styles different? We work so well
Speaker 1: together because I think we're very complimentary. I think Steve
Speaker 1: it's very thoughtful, very analytical. You know. I think if I,
Speaker 1: you know, in a positive way, if I use this metaphor,
Speaker 1: I think Steve would be uh, if we were in
Speaker 1: a battle together, he would be an incredible uh sniper shooter.
Speaker 1: I was just I was just shooting to a run
Speaker 1: of ammunition and uh. But we work very very well together.
Speaker 1: I will say my my style is, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I I like doing many things at the same time.
Speaker 1: I think that's why I have been successful and been
Speaker 1: very focused in driving the versific diversification of Qualcom as
Speaker 1: we go to all those different industries. Um, it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's not like I it's not like I like the spotlight,
Speaker 1: as I think all of us in this industry get
Speaker 1: to get used to, you know, to do this. But
Speaker 1: I feel I have an incredible opportunity and almost like
Speaker 1: an obligation to tell the story about Qualcom companies changing.
Speaker 1: We have a new story to tell and I I
Speaker 1: feel in the CEO position, I have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: do that. You're a lot more Fourth, right, I found
Speaker 1: about the competition, and I wonder, is that is that
Speaker 1: how you motivate the team? Is that how you motivate engineers?
Speaker 1: Our industry changed so fast. Now we've been working, we'll
Speaker 1: be working on a chip for four years. Um we
Speaker 1: have the four years before the chip, every seed the
Speaker 1: light of day, we have to think about what the
Speaker 1: market will look. We want at that time, what the
Speaker 1: market will be. And then we launched this incredible chip
Speaker 1: that we're working for four years and he can get
Speaker 1: obsolete in twelve months and we have to do something
Speaker 1: else right, So we have to be reinventing ourselves. And
Speaker 1: for that, I think the key ingredient for success is
Speaker 1: to never be complacent to our being challenged ourselves. Competition
Speaker 1: has always been good for Quacom, It's good for everyone.
Speaker 1: I think it's keep us honest. He keep us driving
Speaker 1: harder and trying to take measure risks to do something
Speaker 1: different and to differentiate ourselves and how it's at face
Speaker 1: competition that way. This is my conversation with the CEO
Speaker 1: of Qualcom Christiano, I'm on coming up, we get a
Speaker 1: reality check on where we are in the chip shortage
Speaker 1: and when will supply catch up with demand? Plus, after
Speaker 1: years of legal battles with Apple, what's the status of
Speaker 1: the relationship with Ballcom now? I'm Emily Chang and this
Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Studio one point. Oh, stay with us. Qualcom's
Speaker 1: last few years were dominated by really big legal challenges.
Speaker 1: Are those legal challenges behind you for good? All of
Speaker 1: those are behind us right now. I would argue that
Speaker 1: we're especially as relate to our licensing business. We have
Speaker 1: one of the most stable times in the history of
Speaker 1: the company. I've been with a company since the very beginning,
Speaker 1: and in the history of company, we never had more
Speaker 1: stability in the licensing business. And I'll argue that our
Speaker 1: model has been battle hardened by all regulators across the
Speaker 1: and UH and I we feel very good about, you know,
Speaker 1: having the value for our licensing business recognized, but also
Speaker 1: what we bring to the industry and UH and we
Speaker 1: feel good about it. Your relationship with Apple in particular
Speaker 1: went through a few difficult years, bitter lawsuits. Where is
Speaker 1: that relationship today? Relationship is great. You know, we have
Speaker 1: a multier agreement with them. There's a lot more to
Speaker 1: Qualcom than the Apple relationship. You know. Qualcom has an
Speaker 1: incredible opportunity in mobile with five G, especially as new
Speaker 1: players are rising. Um it's incredible to see companies like
Speaker 1: shell Me becoming the number two in the world in
Speaker 1: Europe now they're probably this month their number one in shipments,
Speaker 1: which is incredible. And we are becoming the essential ingredient
Speaker 1: for all of this cloud economy that is upon us
Speaker 1: by connecting everything on the edge, and that's part of
Speaker 1: how the company is diversifying. So we're very happy about that.
Speaker 1: And I think the company at the very end will
Speaker 1: be a company of many relationships. People don't realize that
Speaker 1: Qualcom chips power so many of the devices that we
Speaker 1: are so dependent on. Do you think Qualcom should be
Speaker 1: more of a household name like Apple, like Google, like Facebook. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm very partial, so the answer will be absolutely yes.
Speaker 1: And Uh, we have this incredible semiconductor crisis which has
Speaker 1: been very difficult to get out of it. If I
Speaker 1: can point one positive thing that came out of this
Speaker 1: crisis is uh, the broader society realized the chips are
Speaker 1: very important and the role the semiconductor companies play chips
Speaker 1: are important that people are interested to know about chips,
Speaker 1: and I think that creates opportunity for people to realize
Speaker 1: how broad qualcom presence is. I think beyond funds, where
Speaker 1: are we in the chip shortage now? Better? Uh, We're
Speaker 1: not out of it. Um. You know, we have said that.
Speaker 1: Consider simply to the past two earnings calls that uh,
Speaker 1: we see material improvements coming to us at the end
Speaker 1: of this year, the calendar year, and we are going
Speaker 1: to enter two thousand twenty two with a much more
Speaker 1: balanced equation between supply and demand for all chips are
Speaker 1: just some chips for the majority of the chips, I
Speaker 1: think the except there are going to be stio exceptions. Reality, Emily,
Speaker 1: we're short on everything, like on every single product across
Speaker 1: every single UH industry that we participate in, we're short.
Speaker 1: If SAM conductor companies come in and say we are
Speaker 1: not short, you should be worried about them, because I
Speaker 1: think the demand is very high across all industry. We
Speaker 1: see this accelerated digital transformation happening, and we were able
Speaker 1: to be fortunate to have scale to sourcing, multi sourcing
Speaker 1: put capacity expansion plans in place, and those are gonna
Speaker 1: come to fruition as we get to the end of
Speaker 1: the calendar year. So as we enter two thousand twenty two,
Speaker 1: we're going to see for the absolutely majority of our business,
Speaker 1: supply and demand will start to manage. Which chips are
Speaker 1: the biggest exceptions which are going to take the longest
Speaker 1: to come back. There has been a very broad industry
Speaker 1: shortage of power management. I see also when you think
Speaker 1: about electrification electric cars, you know, the batteries use a
Speaker 1: lot of power management i c s and those are
Speaker 1: capacity was finite. The industry has not been investing in
Speaker 1: that capacity. So is that why Elon Musk has been
Speaker 1: complaining about this? I think in general everyone is complaining about, uh,
Speaker 1: the shortage of legacy technology and uh, but even those
Speaker 1: are going to come online and uh, we'll feel good
Speaker 1: about where we're going to be in two thousand twenty two.
Speaker 1: But are you saying that chips in cars in particular
Speaker 1: are going to be have more difficulty? Uh? What happened
Speaker 1: to the pandemic and you caught you know, you had
Speaker 1: disconnect between supply and demand. But the percentage of digital
Speaker 1: in course are increasing at a very fast space. I
Speaker 1: think the car industry. Restaurants, forming electronics in the car
Speaker 1: become extremely important. That's part why our automotive business is
Speaker 1: growing so fast. And I think the car in generous
Speaker 1: is consuming more I see more silicon, and that's why
Speaker 1: this industry is going to take a little longer to recover.
Speaker 1: But you know, even in general, say globally across all industries,
Speaker 1: we're going to be out of this uh crisis as
Speaker 1: we get to the second half two two. I think
Speaker 1: the automotive industry is probably gonna take throughout two thousand
Speaker 1: twenty two to recover uh. We We also see pockets
Speaker 1: within consumer electronics that there's also going to take longer
Speaker 1: to recover. But in general, as we get to the
Speaker 1: first half of twenty two, I think this entire crisis
Speaker 1: is behind us. You help bring the industry together on
Speaker 1: five G. Five G is now here. Is this more
Speaker 1: than just a speed bump or a six G around
Speaker 1: the corner. It's much more than a speed bump. It
Speaker 1: starts with phones. Phones. I would argue that transition is
Speaker 1: almost already done from the premium and the high tiers.
Speaker 1: The biggest features of five G are not yet uh
Speaker 1: uh in scale and they're gonna be very transformative. Think
Speaker 1: about companies now moving to hoteling and people have work
Speaker 1: from anywhere. That's more than a speed bump. Is about
Speaker 1: bringing the power of the cloud to every device. So
Speaker 1: when six G how far away is that? We are
Speaker 1: already working on six G. We you know, we measure
Speaker 1: every decade you have a new G. Five G was
Speaker 1: originally scheduled to launch in two thousand twenty. We accelerated
Speaker 1: by one year, were launched a nineteen. You should think
Speaker 1: about by two thousand thirty, you should be the time
Speaker 1: for six G uh to come to the spotlight. But
Speaker 1: we have some ways to go. You've told us that
Speaker 1: part of what we'll define your tenure and Qualcom success
Speaker 1: in it is moving into new markets, whether it's cars, PCs, networking.
Speaker 1: What's going to break out first and what will take longer.
Speaker 1: We are definitely already there with auto. We have a
Speaker 1: ten billion dollars contracted pipeline, we have one billion into revenues.
Speaker 1: We're scratching the surface on COYOT, and we have some
Speaker 1: new opportunities that could materialize any moment, like the conversions
Speaker 1: of phones and PCs. Meantime ARM which is of course
Speaker 1: best known for its mobile ship technology, hugely important part
Speaker 1: of the ecosystem. Qualcom is a big customer. ARM has
Speaker 1: been a neutral party up to this point. In videos
Speaker 1: trying to buy ARM and the CEO of Nvidio, Jensen
Speaker 1: Wong says, doesn't plan for that neutrality to change. But
Speaker 1: you've said you don't think that change of ownership is
Speaker 1: a good thing. Why not? We don't any question Orm
Speaker 1: already one. If you think about phones day one, it's
Speaker 1: all powered by ARM, CPUs, compute euters, it's coming. You
Speaker 1: look at what Apple did with the M one moving
Speaker 1: to ARM. We're bringing ARM to the Windows ECO system.
Speaker 1: So they they're winning in the PC space. Automotive already won.
Speaker 1: It's an ARM. I will argue that in Vidia without
Speaker 1: acquiring ARM, they announced CPU ARM for the data center,
Speaker 1: Amazon with ARM on Graviton, Google working on ARM. So
Speaker 1: I would argue that if you step back and you
Speaker 1: look ARM already one and the one, because they're independent,
Speaker 1: it's not like you need one company to buy ARM
Speaker 1: to invest in ARM for them to win. Wom participate
Speaker 1: in a consortium to buy ARM to keep it usual,
Speaker 1: we said before, I reiterated, and any of those options
Speaker 1: become available. I think Qualcom is going to be right
Speaker 1: there and it's gonna it's gonna be interested in participating.
Speaker 1: And many other companies that across different UH sectors, across
Speaker 1: the automotive sector, the cloud companies had indicated similar concerns.
Speaker 1: We all we all want an independent arm I know
Speaker 1: that you've traveled to China a lot. Qualcom has a
Speaker 1: big business um in China. Are you being impacted at
Speaker 1: all by the US China trade tensions that the ratcheting
Speaker 1: up of rhetoric between the two governments, Not at all?
Speaker 1: I you know, I said that many times before, and
Speaker 1: our rate to rate. I think our business with China
Speaker 1: is expending. We have growing and vibrant business with China.
Speaker 1: But it's important to understand the fundamentals of that. We
Speaker 1: provide technology to a lot of the China companies. They
Speaker 1: are growing in within technology within their domestic market as
Speaker 1: well as their global ambitions. We're working with companies like
Speaker 1: the g I for drones. We're working for companies on
Speaker 1: network and an ILT that continue to expand. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I still believe that strong business
Speaker 1: cooperation between the private sector in the United States and
Speaker 1: China it is probably going to continue to be a
Speaker 1: stabilizing force and the relations between the two countries. And
Speaker 1: I feel that, uh, it's the right ward and the
Speaker 1: conversation should be strategic coupling off the two economies and
Speaker 1: especially what we do. It's great for United States to
Speaker 1: have leadership in semi and in across the industry that
Speaker 1: we operate in. And I think that's good for United
Speaker 1: States and it's good for China. So no concern that
Speaker 1: longer term as an American company, Qualcom could become a
Speaker 1: target for retaliation in a in a US China trade war. Look,
Speaker 1: we can't. We can't really predict you know, the outcomes.
Speaker 1: You know you can you can take the glasses have food,
Speaker 1: the glasses half empty. I always take the glasses have full.
Speaker 1: I think we add so much value to the Chinese companies.
Speaker 1: The number of Chinese companies they're now depending on Qualcom
Speaker 1: technology is bigger today than it was yesterday, and it
Speaker 1: was going to be much bigger tomorrow. And I think
Speaker 1: that provides stability to our presence and business in China.
Speaker 1: You're listening to my conversation with Christiano Amant, Qualcom CEO.
Speaker 1: Up next, how Aman is leading the semiconductor industry into
Speaker 1: the future, a r VR five, gene glasses, the metaverse,
Speaker 1: plus how do muscle cars and martial arts play into
Speaker 1: his story. I'm Emily Chang and this is Bloomberg Studio
Speaker 1: one point out stay with us. I'm told that you're
Speaker 1: kind of like a networker on steroids. I think it's
Speaker 1: a kid's a compliment. But how would you describe yourself
Speaker 1: or what do you think of that? Well, it's uh, well,
Speaker 1: I think that as a compliment. I think it's um
Speaker 1: maybe more than me um. I will say, uh. Qualcom
Speaker 1: has an incredible role in the eco system, uh, within
Speaker 1: the wordless industry. I think company needs recognized that we
Speaker 1: can we can put this together. I think looking at
Speaker 1: the fact that we provide technology across all companies, whether
Speaker 1: you're infrastructure company, whether their device company, where our application developer. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's a common thing and that creates an ecosystem all
Speaker 1: companies over shared goal. But how do you, I mean,
Speaker 1: are you like constantly picking up the phone to Tim
Speaker 1: Cook or Andy Jase or sat Adela or some Look.
Speaker 1: I have built a lot of relationship over the years,
Speaker 1: and I I will say one of my assets is
Speaker 1: I think an incredible network because I was able to
Speaker 1: reach out to a number of companies and create a
Speaker 1: win win partnership. So I won't deny it. I have
Speaker 1: I had built incredibly strong relationship. I think relationships is
Speaker 1: always based on if they're successful, is based on trust
Speaker 1: and based on ability to have you know, win win
Speaker 1: partnerships and UH. And that's reflected also beyond five G.
Speaker 1: You've been saying quite nice things about Intel's pacl Singer
Speaker 1: when you know, obviously with their foundry business, they could
Speaker 1: look like a competitor. Is that genuine sentiment? Absolutely? Look
Speaker 1: the way. Here's how I think about it. And I
Speaker 1: think Pat and I UH, I think we're both part
Speaker 1: of the class of the one c H. I think
Speaker 1: Qualcom in Intel are two incredible UH technology companies in
Speaker 1: America and UH and I think we have been at
Speaker 1: odds with each other in the past, and I think
Speaker 1: Pat and I had an opportunity to redefine this relationship.
Speaker 1: Everything is conversion. I think mobile technology is everywhere. So
Speaker 1: when you look at that, it's really about coopetition. It's
Speaker 1: no different than a relationship with Samsung, relationship with Sandsung.
Speaker 1: It's UH. If anything is an incredible, great relationship. It's complex. Uh,
Speaker 1: we are a supplier, we're a customer, we're a competitor
Speaker 1: all at once. There's nothing more important right now for
Speaker 1: this in my conductor industry to have a resilient Uh
Speaker 1: say my conductor supply chain its clock. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: in the metaverse or your chips going to be in
Speaker 1: the metaverse. We have start working early with augmented reality
Speaker 1: and virtual reality. You know, we now those are becoming
Speaker 1: a meaningful business. We have an incredible relationship with Facebook
Speaker 1: on auclus I think that's what VR will be working
Speaker 1: with companies like Microsoft on augmented reality. I think mixed
Speaker 1: reality is going to be a reality, uh for us
Speaker 1: pun intended. I feel that the next phone, it's going
Speaker 1: to be immersive glasses, and we're gonna have glasses that
Speaker 1: we're gonna wear, and it's gonna be pair with our phone.
Speaker 1: And eventually we're just gonna have glasses. Our phones are
Speaker 1: going to be glasses, augmented reality glasses. Think about this,
Speaker 1: You're gonna get glasses that look like this. You'll be
Speaker 1: able to have five G modem and computation in your glasses.
Speaker 1: You're gonna bring their own demanding computing of the cloud,
Speaker 1: and you'll be able to with those glasses, we'll be
Speaker 1: able to look at everyone, look at everything, and if
Speaker 1: you look at somebody, and then we'll say, I'm going
Speaker 1: to re facehip. Recogn should go to the cloud, check
Speaker 1: on Instagram, linked in everything, get all information you need
Speaker 1: UH in real time, as well as objects and things
Speaker 1: that you want to research upon. That's no longer a
Speaker 1: technology issue. It's just a matter of having the ecosystem
Speaker 1: to mature. I think there's an incredible opportunity, UH, to
Speaker 1: change healthcare, to change education productivity as we bring full immersive,
Speaker 1: augmented reality and two glasses. You live in San Diego,
Speaker 1: work qualcom is based. I know you're a dad um.
Speaker 1: I also hear you're a car nut, right you refurbish
Speaker 1: old cars. I have a two restoration projects that I'm
Speaker 1: working on. I'm very excited about them. But UH, it's
Speaker 1: contrary to what we're doing in automotive. All that we're
Speaker 1: doing an automotive is about the latest and greatest digital
Speaker 1: transformation of the car. I don't know if my cars
Speaker 1: have any electronics at all, other than UH, the ignition
Speaker 1: I doing restoration and muscle cars. I really like muscle
Speaker 1: cars and from the seventies era. And uh I I
Speaker 1: love my two projects. And what about the martial arts
Speaker 1: that can't be that's got to be more than a
Speaker 1: midlife crisis. Mark. You are very skilled in martial arts. Well,
Speaker 1: I've been. Uh. I'm a protection of Japanese traditional karate.
Speaker 1: The reason that's important for me, Emily is give me
Speaker 1: a moment that I can disconnect from everything. He helped
Speaker 1: me keep balance, help me trying to do something else
Speaker 1: to put my mind on. And uh and I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of lessons that you can bring from
Speaker 1: I think a traditional martial arts to business. There's a
Speaker 1: lot you can bring to business. And you know, one
Speaker 1: of the things about uh, uh you know you learn
Speaker 1: in martial arts, especially the traditional Japanese one about spirit.
Speaker 1: I thank you you win the fight in spirit before
Speaker 1: the fights and uh and I take that to the
Speaker 1: to the workplace, how we think about things and about
Speaker 1: the new challenges and opportunities. UH for Qualcom Christianoman, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. It's really great to
Speaker 1: have you here on the show. It's great to have
Speaker 1: you here in person. My pleasure. Bloomberg Studio One pointo
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