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Speaker 1: and this is the show where we talk about all

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Speaker 1: the ways people have died throughout history to cope with

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Speaker 1: our own mortality, and we don't cope well and we're broken.

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Speaker 1: I'm Gabby along with Nika. I couldn't sleep last night

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Speaker 1: because of the research that I was doing for this project. Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm Nika, and time you know I already said who

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Speaker 1: I am? And your Taylor? Hi. Yeah, I slept well

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Speaker 1: last night thinking about it. No, I'm just kidding. I

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Speaker 1: did not sleep thinking about I just remember when we

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Speaker 1: did flush eating bacteria one time, So I think I

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Speaker 1: have a fungus on my nail and I think bacteria.

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Speaker 1: Oh No, that stresses me out. Today is a special

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Speaker 1: episode because we're just going to be talking about cannibalism

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Speaker 1: the whole time, because it was just you know, it's fall,

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Speaker 1: people ingesting pumping spice? And then I don't eat pumpkin spice,

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Speaker 1: so then I have to eat people because they're filled

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Speaker 1: have pumpkin spice. Cannibalism is my second favorite sword after couter. No,

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Speaker 1: I hate that word. Oh Catholic, no cat, Get your

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Speaker 1: mind out of the gutter, Gabby. Do you know that

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Speaker 1: I'm working on a short film called Night of the Couters?

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Speaker 1: I vaguely remember that, but that is very Night of

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Speaker 1: the Couter. That's every night for me. I don't know, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe only thirty three percent of okay, okay. Anyway, we

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Speaker 1: have a bunch of fun trigger warnings for today. Cannibalism

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Speaker 1: obviously also wore starvation, murder, prejudice against Irish people, just

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Speaker 1: What Mark did you ask for? Honestly, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: so fun to hear. And yeah, also, if you're eating

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Speaker 1: my presciuto yesterday because I was like, I can't eat this.

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Speaker 1: like the muscles that people have. Anyway, cue the music,

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Speaker 1: So Nika is gonna start off our fun episode about cannibalism,

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Speaker 1: and you know, she's taken us back back in time.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you shut your mouth? Taylor? Taylor, whoa shut

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Speaker 1: Riff is talking, that will be compelling for the episode. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I was high on drugs when I wrote this outline,

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Speaker 1: going to the fifteen nineties in France, a super fun

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Speaker 1: time for humanity in general, unless, um, you were in France.

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Speaker 1: animal husbandry. Okay, Tyler, are bones nutrecious so calcium? Well yes,

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Speaker 1: or whatever. There's pictures of it and videos of it

421
00:26:02,765 --> 00:26:07,045
Speaker 1: if you want to check it out done and I do. So.

422
00:26:07,165 --> 00:26:09,165
Speaker 1: They also noted like they were like all these wigs

423
00:26:09,205 --> 00:26:11,285
Speaker 1: hanging off of lamps and like draped all over the

424
00:26:11,445 --> 00:26:14,965
Speaker 1: places like Silence of the Lambs. It was just like

425
00:26:15,045 --> 00:26:19,165
Speaker 1: really weird. So so then as they continue to search,

426
00:26:19,445 --> 00:26:23,125
Speaker 1: they find this like stash of photos. They open this doorer.

427
00:26:23,165 --> 00:26:26,285
Speaker 1: There's like photos and all this stuff. There's pictures of

428
00:26:26,325 --> 00:26:29,165
Speaker 1: them with you know, with people friends, just like the

429
00:26:29,205 --> 00:26:34,445
Speaker 1: cell phone, and then pictures of dismembered bodies. One of

430
00:26:34,525 --> 00:26:37,925
Speaker 1: the photos this is okay, this is really this is bad.

431
00:26:39,005 --> 00:26:41,325
Speaker 1: They found a photo and there's this like silver platter

432
00:26:41,565 --> 00:26:47,965
Speaker 1: with fruits and vegetables, specifically oranges and a head. And

433
00:26:48,005 --> 00:26:51,685
Speaker 1: when you look a little harder at this strange photo,

434
00:26:52,045 --> 00:26:55,325
Speaker 1: there are olives placed in the eyes and a lemon

435
00:26:55,365 --> 00:27:00,405
Speaker 1: slice for the nose, and it's just like, whoa, what

436
00:27:00,645 --> 00:27:05,325
Speaker 1: is this? This is like a human head? A human head?

437
00:27:05,525 --> 00:27:08,685
Speaker 1: Did you see it? Or yeah? Described there there are

438
00:27:08,725 --> 00:27:12,405
Speaker 1: photos online, but like they've blurred out the head because

439
00:27:12,445 --> 00:27:16,245
Speaker 1: that's disturbing. But they were just like oranges, like whole

440
00:27:16,285 --> 00:27:22,245
Speaker 1: oranges placed around it. Also oranges and olives. Weird combo. Yeah,

441
00:27:22,285 --> 00:27:27,085
Speaker 1: that's the weird party. Yeah. So anyway, they keep they

442
00:27:27,165 --> 00:27:31,405
Speaker 1: keep looking like they're like this is this is not cool?

443
00:27:31,605 --> 00:27:37,525
Speaker 1: And then they find a video that is like a

444
00:27:37,565 --> 00:27:42,525
Speaker 1: how to video to be a cannibal. And so I'm

445
00:27:42,525 --> 00:27:44,405
Speaker 1: not sure like who made the video, like if it

446
00:27:44,445 --> 00:27:47,245
Speaker 1: was the couple or it was just like somebody else.

447
00:27:47,325 --> 00:27:50,645
Speaker 1: There's just like teaching others how to be a cannibal.

448
00:27:50,805 --> 00:27:55,925
Speaker 1: But that was there, so we're we're really picking up,

449
00:27:56,005 --> 00:27:58,405
Speaker 1: like what's what's going on here there? These people are

450
00:27:58,405 --> 00:28:03,365
Speaker 1: eating people a whole mode. Yeah. Then they find a

451
00:28:03,405 --> 00:28:07,725
Speaker 1: cookbook in Natalia's handwer she's creating, and you guessed it.

452
00:28:08,325 --> 00:28:13,405
Speaker 1: They are recipes to cook victims of this situation. So

453
00:28:13,485 --> 00:28:16,685
Speaker 1: at this point they are arrested, right, okay, yeah, yeah,

454
00:28:17,085 --> 00:28:22,205
Speaker 1: So well we're not done looking around at their partment yet. Well,

455
00:28:23,685 --> 00:28:26,285
Speaker 1: so they're like so they're like, okay, this is all

456
00:28:26,405 --> 00:28:30,005
Speaker 1: very sketchy. So like, let's look in the refrigerator, which

457
00:28:30,285 --> 00:28:34,325
Speaker 1: in a cannibal's house, as you can imagine, they were

458
00:28:34,365 --> 00:28:37,765
Speaker 1: like all these glass jars with legit body parts chilling

459
00:28:37,845 --> 00:28:43,405
Speaker 1: and sailing like hands, ears, whatever. There were also lots

460
00:28:43,445 --> 00:28:47,125
Speaker 1: of frozen chunks of meat and the freezer. They're like

461
00:28:47,325 --> 00:28:51,325
Speaker 1: not exactly sure like where the meat originated from. And

462
00:28:51,365 --> 00:28:53,525
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, we're just gonna take this whole refrigerator

463
00:28:54,765 --> 00:29:00,685
Speaker 1: that's going into evidence. Remember those wigs, m yes, they

464
00:29:00,685 --> 00:29:03,365
Speaker 1: were not wigs, as I'm sure you have probably figured out.

465
00:29:03,765 --> 00:29:09,245
Speaker 1: They were people. They would scalp their victims and then

466
00:29:09,325 --> 00:29:13,565
Speaker 1: just like literally like cut the hair off and like

467
00:29:13,725 --> 00:29:17,325
Speaker 1: scalp it. And they just like had these chilling around

468
00:29:17,365 --> 00:29:21,525
Speaker 1: the apartment. So the initial investigation they determined there at

469
00:29:21,605 --> 00:29:25,125
Speaker 1: least seven different bodies in there. So when they came in,

470
00:29:25,245 --> 00:29:28,525
Speaker 1: so they're like, y'all are arrested, this is nope, So

471
00:29:28,645 --> 00:29:32,685
Speaker 1: they come in for questioning, and Natalia actually identified and

472
00:29:32,965 --> 00:29:35,845
Speaker 1: they like confess that, like, you know, they've been been

473
00:29:35,965 --> 00:29:39,405
Speaker 1: cannibals for a while, and they actually identified thirty people

474
00:29:39,805 --> 00:29:42,325
Speaker 1: who are actually on the missing person's list, Like she

475
00:29:42,365 --> 00:29:44,565
Speaker 1: was able to say like, oh it was this person,

476
00:29:44,685 --> 00:29:47,285
Speaker 1: like knew the names and like the dates and everything.

477
00:29:47,605 --> 00:29:51,725
Speaker 1: Is there is there info on how they chose their victims?

478
00:29:51,885 --> 00:29:55,845
Speaker 1: Like what? Yeah, so so I found this actually this

479
00:29:55,925 --> 00:29:58,125
Speaker 1: like YouTube video with this girl's talking about it, and

480
00:29:58,165 --> 00:30:00,245
Speaker 1: she said, which I didn't read this anywhere, so this

481
00:30:00,325 --> 00:30:02,405
Speaker 1: is this is just like a he said, she said thing.

482
00:30:02,485 --> 00:30:05,005
Speaker 1: But she said that like they would get on these

483
00:30:05,085 --> 00:30:09,685
Speaker 1: dating apps or dating sites. But here's the kicker is

484
00:30:09,685 --> 00:30:14,445
Speaker 1: they've been practicing cannibalism since nineteen ninety nine, so they've

485
00:30:14,445 --> 00:30:17,485
Speaker 1: been doing this for that's a long time to not

486
00:30:17,605 --> 00:30:21,605
Speaker 1: get caught. At least that's almost my entire lifetime. Yeah,

487
00:30:21,605 --> 00:30:24,805
Speaker 1: this just feels fake because it's like, how did they

488
00:30:24,805 --> 00:30:27,085
Speaker 1: not get caught. That's so many people in a long

489
00:30:27,165 --> 00:30:30,085
Speaker 1: period of time. No, exactly there were and there were

490
00:30:30,165 --> 00:30:34,005
Speaker 1: thirty people at least, and I feel like dismembering people

491
00:30:34,085 --> 00:30:37,765
Speaker 1: it's probably loud, you know, like you can't just casually

492
00:30:37,805 --> 00:30:41,925
Speaker 1: have an apartment dismembering people exactly. So okay, but the

493
00:30:42,005 --> 00:30:44,845
Speaker 1: evidence is they're a gabby. They have the people in

494
00:30:44,885 --> 00:30:48,685
Speaker 1: the apartment well, but it's it's it's mind boggling that

495
00:30:48,725 --> 00:30:51,525
Speaker 1: they weren't caught. So they had Okay. So, like I said,

496
00:30:51,525 --> 00:30:53,765
Speaker 1: they were like living in this like hostile type situation,

497
00:30:54,405 --> 00:30:56,565
Speaker 1: and so people when they would come back, like people

498
00:30:56,605 --> 00:30:59,485
Speaker 1: that also lived in the area, were like, oh, it

499
00:30:59,605 --> 00:31:02,045
Speaker 1: kind of like smelled a little funky, to look a

500
00:31:02,085 --> 00:31:04,525
Speaker 1: little bit weird. And if they were like you know,

501
00:31:04,845 --> 00:31:07,245
Speaker 1: tried to come and they would apparently like Natalia and

502
00:31:07,325 --> 00:31:09,565
Speaker 1: Dmitri would like freak out and be like no, no, no,

503
00:31:09,605 --> 00:31:11,605
Speaker 1: don't come in here, don't come in here. Which I'm like,

504
00:31:11,845 --> 00:31:14,125
Speaker 1: how did nobody think like, hey, you might want to

505
00:31:14,165 --> 00:31:16,685
Speaker 1: just do like a weird walls check. They just seem sketchy,

506
00:31:16,845 --> 00:31:19,085
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I've lived in a lot

507
00:31:19,085 --> 00:31:22,325
Speaker 1: of apartments, and the I mean, I think you guys

508
00:31:22,365 --> 00:31:23,885
Speaker 1: know that, like the way you live in apartments is

509
00:31:23,925 --> 00:31:26,965
Speaker 1: like you mind your business. Yeah, but this was like

510
00:31:27,005 --> 00:31:31,925
Speaker 1: a military base, you know. So anyway, they also had

511
00:31:31,965 --> 00:31:33,805
Speaker 1: like a seller where they would also keep a lot

512
00:31:33,845 --> 00:31:37,325
Speaker 1: of this stuff that they found. You gotta have a seller. Yeah.

513
00:31:37,405 --> 00:31:41,725
Speaker 1: So Natalia is like, hey, guys, I'm mentally ill, and

514
00:31:41,965 --> 00:31:44,965
Speaker 1: which I would be like, yeah, I would say so,

515
00:31:45,645 --> 00:31:50,365
Speaker 1: but Taylor's like, you don't say you don't say what

516
00:31:50,365 --> 00:31:54,685
Speaker 1: what are you? What are your symptoms? Murdering and eating people? Yeah? Right?

517
00:31:55,005 --> 00:31:57,125
Speaker 1: Well she was like yeah, I like, um, a few

518
00:31:57,205 --> 00:31:59,405
Speaker 1: years back, if you like look at my history, like

519
00:31:59,925 --> 00:32:02,805
Speaker 1: she had like substance abuse or something like that, and

520
00:32:02,885 --> 00:32:05,285
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, so I'm like mentally ill. But the

521
00:32:05,485 --> 00:32:08,725
Speaker 1: psychiatrist was like, no, you're just like crazy eating people,

522
00:32:08,805 --> 00:32:11,525
Speaker 1: like that's just whatever. She was trying to get out

523
00:32:11,565 --> 00:32:13,885
Speaker 1: of it, yeah, because she was like I don't want

524
00:32:13,885 --> 00:32:17,845
Speaker 1: to go to prison, right, Yeah. So where they sent

525
00:32:18,245 --> 00:32:22,165
Speaker 1: Natalia because like she was just as if not more,

526
00:32:22,165 --> 00:32:25,925
Speaker 1: involved in Dmitri. She was sent to like an isolated

527
00:32:25,925 --> 00:32:30,965
Speaker 1: island prison situation like Shutter Island or something. You know. Um,

528
00:32:32,245 --> 00:32:34,365
Speaker 1: she's supposed to be there for ten years, ten or

529
00:32:34,365 --> 00:32:36,925
Speaker 1: twelve years, I forget which it was, and then after

530
00:32:36,965 --> 00:32:38,925
Speaker 1: that a year and a half in a regular prison,

531
00:32:38,965 --> 00:32:41,685
Speaker 1: which I'm like, you need to be there like for

532
00:32:41,765 --> 00:32:46,005
Speaker 1: like ever, right, they're gonna let what Yeah, I mean

533
00:32:46,805 --> 00:32:49,725
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But um, I did. However,

534
00:32:49,805 --> 00:32:52,645
Speaker 1: I have seen a documentary about like Russian Russian prison

535
00:32:52,765 --> 00:32:57,805
Speaker 1: prisons and they're like no joke, but like still and

536
00:32:57,845 --> 00:33:01,165
Speaker 1: then her husband, Dmitri, he just went to like regular prison,

537
00:33:01,285 --> 00:33:03,725
Speaker 1: so like she was a little bit battier I guess

538
00:33:03,725 --> 00:33:08,605
Speaker 1: than he was. I don't know. So so here's what

539
00:33:08,645 --> 00:33:13,605
Speaker 1: they would do do. It's pretty graphic, but are you ready?

540
00:33:13,765 --> 00:33:16,685
Speaker 1: I'm ready? So what they would do so they would

541
00:33:16,725 --> 00:33:20,565
Speaker 1: inject their victims with a substance containing phenobarbital, which would

542
00:33:20,565 --> 00:33:22,885
Speaker 1: just like make them go to sleep, and then they

543
00:33:22,885 --> 00:33:26,645
Speaker 1: would skin them and then they would dismember them, and

544
00:33:26,685 --> 00:33:29,285
Speaker 1: they would like save some parts of souvenirs. They would

545
00:33:29,325 --> 00:33:32,725
Speaker 1: save the meat and some cans. And this is the

546
00:33:32,765 --> 00:33:37,125
Speaker 1: worst part. It is rumored that they may have or

547
00:33:37,165 --> 00:33:40,125
Speaker 1: it is suggested that they may have slipped some of

548
00:33:40,165 --> 00:33:44,245
Speaker 1: the meat into some of there's this other soldier's food

549
00:33:44,245 --> 00:33:48,645
Speaker 1: that were at the academy. So yeah, so super sketchy

550
00:33:48,685 --> 00:33:50,685
Speaker 1: that they were able to get away with us for

551
00:33:50,805 --> 00:33:56,205
Speaker 1: like twenty years and like only two people. Um yeah,

552
00:33:56,245 --> 00:33:58,885
Speaker 1: it makes me think there might have been more cannibals,

553
00:33:59,205 --> 00:34:01,685
Speaker 1: That's what That's what a lot of people were saying.

554
00:34:01,725 --> 00:34:06,925
Speaker 1: But I mean, there's no actual evidence of that, and

555
00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:10,685
Speaker 1: like honestly, like both Dmitri and Natalia were very I

556
00:34:10,725 --> 00:34:12,925
Speaker 1: mean they confessed, they opened up and they were like yeah,

557
00:34:12,925 --> 00:34:14,565
Speaker 1: so like the I don't know if it was the

558
00:34:14,605 --> 00:34:17,765
Speaker 1: first one or the most recent one, but they were

559
00:34:17,805 --> 00:34:20,525
Speaker 1: like yeah, so they would go on like dating sites

560
00:34:20,605 --> 00:34:23,045
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then they don't know if it was

561
00:34:23,205 --> 00:34:25,845
Speaker 1: for I mean, I guess they were trying to bring

562
00:34:25,885 --> 00:34:28,205
Speaker 1: them in as like a third person or something, because

563
00:34:28,205 --> 00:34:30,525
Speaker 1: they would like all three beyond the date. But then

564
00:34:30,565 --> 00:34:33,125
Speaker 1: at like one point, like Natalia got really jealous and

565
00:34:33,165 --> 00:34:36,005
Speaker 1: so Dmitri was like, oh and he got like all

566
00:34:36,885 --> 00:34:39,365
Speaker 1: he like stabbed it said that he stabbed this person

567
00:34:40,605 --> 00:34:42,965
Speaker 1: because he had always had a knife, and then Natalia

568
00:34:43,125 --> 00:34:45,645
Speaker 1: just like went ham and like took it even further

569
00:34:45,845 --> 00:34:51,285
Speaker 1: or something. So like I don't know, I don't it

570
00:34:51,445 --> 00:34:54,525
Speaker 1: seems like there should be more people, but they haven't

571
00:34:54,565 --> 00:34:57,925
Speaker 1: found evidence of that, and like the biggest thing that

572
00:34:57,965 --> 00:35:01,205
Speaker 1: they have they're trying to figure out the police is

573
00:35:01,245 --> 00:35:05,325
Speaker 1: like how to avoid this in the future, right, you know,

574
00:35:05,685 --> 00:35:08,885
Speaker 1: and like trying to figure out if there are more people,

575
00:35:08,885 --> 00:35:11,125
Speaker 1: And they were trying to really keep this on the

576
00:35:11,245 --> 00:35:14,085
Speaker 1: DL because that's like, this is terrifying, but it's it

577
00:35:14,165 --> 00:35:17,085
Speaker 1: all got leaked and so now people are freaked out

578
00:35:17,125 --> 00:35:20,325
Speaker 1: that like they're a lot, like had been eating people

579
00:35:20,365 --> 00:35:24,005
Speaker 1: for the last twenty years, thirty victims at least that

580
00:35:24,085 --> 00:35:29,125
Speaker 1: they could remember. And yeah, so there you go. I

581
00:35:29,165 --> 00:35:32,445
Speaker 1: think this story, this story also shows that if you're

582
00:35:32,485 --> 00:35:35,565
Speaker 1: trying to open up your relationship, you know, maybe have

583
00:35:35,685 --> 00:35:39,805
Speaker 1: some good communication so it doesn't spiral into a cannibalism

584
00:35:39,965 --> 00:35:45,645
Speaker 1: jealousy situation. That's the lesson I'm getting. Yeah, Yeah, that's

585
00:35:45,645 --> 00:35:49,285
Speaker 1: a great lesson. Kevin's a great lesson. Communicate with your

586
00:35:49,325 --> 00:35:52,725
Speaker 1: partner when you open up your relationship. Well, we love

587
00:35:52,805 --> 00:35:54,965
Speaker 1: to see it, We love to hear about it. We

588
00:35:55,005 --> 00:36:02,925
Speaker 1: are ready for our nightmares tonight. We'll be right back. Wow,

589
00:36:03,005 --> 00:36:06,085
Speaker 1: we're back with Cadavergas with a little bit more info.

590
00:36:06,205 --> 00:36:10,445
Speaker 1: And Taylor just told us a story that will live

591
00:36:10,525 --> 00:36:12,805
Speaker 1: with us in our hearts. I forgot to tell you

592
00:36:13,325 --> 00:36:15,445
Speaker 1: they were so good. I forgot I forgot one thing.

593
00:36:15,965 --> 00:36:19,405
Speaker 1: Um they This couple is now lovingly referred to as

594
00:36:19,445 --> 00:36:27,965
Speaker 1: the Cannibal couple Cuties alliteration. Yeah, the cannibal couple. Love

595
00:36:28,165 --> 00:36:32,525
Speaker 1: love makes he do crazy things. You know anyway, Um, well,

596
00:36:32,565 --> 00:36:36,125
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the uh, the fact that they

597
00:36:36,405 --> 00:36:40,525
Speaker 1: might have been slipping the human remains into other people's food,

598
00:36:40,965 --> 00:36:44,325
Speaker 1: that made me start thinking about Sweeney Todd obviously, So

599
00:36:44,525 --> 00:36:48,285
Speaker 1: I had to watch Sweeney Todd and he, you know,

600
00:36:48,405 --> 00:36:52,245
Speaker 1: kills he's the the demonic Barbara fleet Street and he

601
00:36:52,325 --> 00:36:55,605
Speaker 1: you know, kills his he kills his clients, which I

602
00:36:55,605 --> 00:37:01,565
Speaker 1: feel like that doesn't It's the whole thing, Taylor, It's

603
00:37:01,565 --> 00:37:03,845
Speaker 1: a whole thing. It came out and the first story

604
00:37:03,885 --> 00:37:06,165
Speaker 1: came out in like eighteen forty six. So if you

605
00:37:06,205 --> 00:37:09,725
Speaker 1: haven't caught up, get with it, get with it. But

606
00:37:10,205 --> 00:37:12,005
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's a really bad way to

607
00:37:12,045 --> 00:37:15,445
Speaker 1: like have clients. You know, like if you kill all

608
00:37:15,445 --> 00:37:17,565
Speaker 1: of them, how are you going to have a return customer?

609
00:37:17,725 --> 00:37:20,485
Speaker 1: Are you right? Have? Like word of mouth? That's what

610
00:37:20,645 --> 00:37:26,245
Speaker 1: I was going to Marketing is original, you know, marketing. Yeah,

611
00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:29,525
Speaker 1: So a Sweeney Tod is really unrealistic because then he

612
00:37:29,525 --> 00:37:32,365
Speaker 1: would send his victims down a little tunnel down to

613
00:37:32,445 --> 00:37:34,485
Speaker 1: missus love it, and then she would turn those people

614
00:37:34,525 --> 00:37:38,965
Speaker 1: and to meet pies very spicy. So I actually have

615
00:37:39,085 --> 00:37:40,925
Speaker 1: never seen it. So I'm actually kind of mad that

616
00:37:40,965 --> 00:37:45,325
Speaker 1: you just gave literally the entire plot away. Yeah, but

617
00:37:45,365 --> 00:37:47,285
Speaker 1: that's like the first like ten minutes or something, ten

618
00:37:47,365 --> 00:37:49,765
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Well, it takes them a long time in

619
00:37:49,765 --> 00:37:51,885
Speaker 1: the musical to get there, yeah, because they got a

620
00:37:51,885 --> 00:37:53,565
Speaker 1: lot of singing to do. They have a lot of

621
00:37:53,605 --> 00:37:56,445
Speaker 1: sing because like musicals, they really love exposition. That's like

622
00:37:56,525 --> 00:37:59,085
Speaker 1: they're like me, it's my favorite part of anything. But

623
00:37:59,245 --> 00:38:01,325
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I was like, Okay, Sweeney Tod, it's

624
00:38:01,325 --> 00:38:03,085
Speaker 1: been around, like it's been a story that's been around

625
00:38:03,085 --> 00:38:04,725
Speaker 1: for a while, and I was like, was it like

626
00:38:04,845 --> 00:38:10,125
Speaker 1: based on somebody real? And the answer is no anyway,

627
00:38:10,365 --> 00:38:14,485
Speaker 1: d no, oh no. But the first Sweeney Todd was

628
00:38:14,525 --> 00:38:17,325
Speaker 1: in this Penny Dreadful, which was kind of like in

629
00:38:17,685 --> 00:38:21,165
Speaker 1: Victorian England they would write these really like spooky, like

630
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Speaker 1: gothic stories that were just like slasher fiction basically that

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00:38:24,965 --> 00:38:27,445
Speaker 1: was just like really like not very well written and

632
00:38:27,485 --> 00:38:30,965
Speaker 1: often like plagiarized stories, but people really enjoyed reading them.

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Speaker 1: So he was the first. One was called like a

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00:38:32,485 --> 00:38:35,125
Speaker 1: String of Pearls and it's just like these dudes are

635
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Speaker 1: like where did our friend go? He was like getting

636
00:38:37,325 --> 00:38:39,165
Speaker 1: like gonna go get a haircut, and then he neighbor

637
00:38:39,285 --> 00:38:42,885
Speaker 1: came back, you know, so then it's Sweeney Todd. Ah,

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Speaker 1: he did it, love it. But I was trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out, like they were saying at this point that

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Speaker 1: there might have been there was like a barber in

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00:38:50,925 --> 00:38:53,605
Speaker 1: Paris who was killing people, but there's no like real

642
00:38:53,645 --> 00:38:55,885
Speaker 1: evidence of that, but there are people were like gossiping

643
00:38:55,925 --> 00:38:59,605
Speaker 1: about that. But then the cool thing about Sweeney Todd

644
00:38:59,725 --> 00:39:02,525
Speaker 1: is that it all goes back to maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit of racism against Irish people. So this is like

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Speaker 1: I was like, what is the origin of Sweeney top

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00:39:09,285 --> 00:39:11,205
Speaker 1: part of it was during this time too. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of like adulteration of food, Like like a lot

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00:39:14,405 --> 00:39:16,725
Speaker 1: of the food was contaminated, you know, like how you

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00:39:16,725 --> 00:39:19,085
Speaker 1: get your cocaine now it's got ventanel, and it's same

651
00:39:19,125 --> 00:39:21,245
Speaker 1: thing back then. Like your meat pies would have gross

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00:39:21,245 --> 00:39:24,045
Speaker 1: shit in them sometimes, and so it's like really at

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00:39:24,045 --> 00:39:25,885
Speaker 1: the time, it's like it wouldn't be too crazy to

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Speaker 1: think that you just have like some human remains in

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Speaker 1: your pie. You're like that was a thing that was

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00:39:31,045 --> 00:39:36,085
Speaker 1: happening meat pies for me, Oh, we're destroying them. I

657
00:39:36,205 --> 00:39:39,165
Speaker 1: kind of feel like all meat is ruined now. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's all meat. I don't I'm vegetarian now,

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Speaker 1: are you actually? No? I grew up vegetarian, though, and

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00:39:47,725 --> 00:39:50,245
Speaker 1: I was vegetarian in college. I'm not so much now,

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00:39:50,245 --> 00:39:52,765
Speaker 1: but I do prefer melas. Wait when did you get changed?

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00:39:53,045 --> 00:39:56,125
Speaker 1: Did you get changed and then you realize that you

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00:39:56,165 --> 00:39:59,445
Speaker 1: had an actually a taste for meat, specifically human meat

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Speaker 1: like that one movie? Oh god? No, I just was like, well,

665
00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:05,045
Speaker 1: you wanted that movie. I think you would really relate

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00:40:05,045 --> 00:40:07,765
Speaker 1: with the make character. It's kind of It can be

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Speaker 1: expensive to be a vegetarian sometimes. I don't like touching

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00:40:13,885 --> 00:40:16,085
Speaker 1: raw meat. I don't know, I don't like making it,

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00:40:16,125 --> 00:40:18,925
Speaker 1: so I prefer not to make it. I made chicken

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00:40:19,085 --> 00:40:21,325
Speaker 1: for my partner yesterday because it was their birthday or

671
00:40:21,325 --> 00:40:25,045
Speaker 1: also would have never touched that disgusting chicken. Yeah, it's gross.

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00:40:25,085 --> 00:40:27,245
Speaker 1: I like a turkey sandwich, you know, I could. I

673
00:40:27,285 --> 00:40:29,765
Speaker 1: could live without it, though. Okay, anyway, can we get

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00:40:29,765 --> 00:40:35,085
Speaker 1: back to the story, yes, okay, well every Sweeney Todd Okay.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, at the time they were saying that sometimes

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Speaker 1: even here sawdust was in the flower, just people be

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00:40:40,725 --> 00:40:43,085
Speaker 1: eating sawdust, I guess. But they were also like a

678
00:40:43,085 --> 00:40:45,605
Speaker 1: lot of milk was like diluted, and they would also

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00:40:45,645 --> 00:40:47,725
Speaker 1: like in butter and milk, they would put copper in

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00:40:47,805 --> 00:40:50,885
Speaker 1: it to give it a brighter color. You know, I don't,

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00:40:50,885 --> 00:40:53,725
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, do we really care that much about

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00:40:53,725 --> 00:40:58,645
Speaker 1: the color? Not a good time for eating in Victorian England.

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00:40:59,365 --> 00:41:01,045
Speaker 1: So there's like, it's not crazy that you would have

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00:41:01,165 --> 00:41:03,565
Speaker 1: human remains in your meat pie, you know, just there's

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00:41:03,565 --> 00:41:06,885
Speaker 1: all sorts of crazy things in there. But okay, so

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00:41:07,005 --> 00:41:10,765
Speaker 1: the racist origin of Sweeney Todd, this is what they're

687
00:41:10,765 --> 00:41:13,285
Speaker 1: thinking is because Sweeney it is a Scottish name, but

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00:41:13,285 --> 00:41:15,725
Speaker 1: it was that mostly affiliated with Irish people and at

689
00:41:15,725 --> 00:41:18,885
Speaker 1: the time, they fucking hated Irish people and they was

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00:41:18,965 --> 00:41:21,965
Speaker 1: just like a lab porterials of Irish people as like animals.

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00:41:22,605 --> 00:41:26,205
Speaker 1: And you know, that's a great question. Haters be hate

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00:41:26,205 --> 00:41:30,085
Speaker 1: and that's that's okay. I was gonna say xenophobia, but

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00:41:30,365 --> 00:41:33,845
Speaker 1: that's basically haters be hating was just like a better term. Yeah.

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00:41:33,885 --> 00:41:37,605
Speaker 1: But also again why that is a larger question, but

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00:41:37,685 --> 00:41:45,485
Speaker 1: there's no it's complicated, okayis complicated. Yeah. Watch Peaky Blinders. Okay,

696
00:41:45,645 --> 00:41:51,005
Speaker 1: watch Dairy Girls. Watch Dairy Girls. Yeah, so they're thinking

697
00:41:51,045 --> 00:41:53,365
Speaker 1: that because they made Sweeney Todd. He was just like,

698
00:41:53,725 --> 00:41:56,405
Speaker 1: like this crazy person. They're like they think that's probably

699
00:41:56,405 --> 00:41:58,565
Speaker 1: where the character came from, was like the fact that

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00:41:58,605 --> 00:42:01,005
Speaker 1: the food was gross and that they hated Irish people,

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00:42:01,085 --> 00:42:03,925
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how he came around. And but

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00:42:03,965 --> 00:42:06,485
Speaker 1: the thing is, you know, haters hate and right, but

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00:42:07,005 --> 00:42:10,525
Speaker 1: people were actually, we're also in England, some people were

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00:42:10,525 --> 00:42:13,805
Speaker 1: actually not xenophobic. They were actually being like, hey, guys,

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00:42:14,045 --> 00:42:16,685
Speaker 1: you're hating on their Irish people and like poor people,

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00:42:16,805 --> 00:42:19,165
Speaker 1: especially like poor Irish people all the time. Maybe you

707
00:42:19,165 --> 00:42:22,085
Speaker 1: should shut the fuck up and stop doing that sort

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00:42:22,085 --> 00:42:26,525
Speaker 1: of shit. Okay, And specifically, basically there's this guy Jonathan

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00:42:26,605 --> 00:42:30,085
Speaker 1: Swift in like seventeen thirty or seventeen twenty nine, and

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00:42:30,165 --> 00:42:33,325
Speaker 1: he was a satirist and he I didn't know they

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00:42:33,325 --> 00:42:34,965
Speaker 1: made jokes back then, they used to make jokes too,

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00:42:35,085 --> 00:42:38,245
Speaker 1: But he wrote this whole thing, it's called a Modest Proposal,

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00:42:39,005 --> 00:42:42,325
Speaker 1: basically trying to like make fun of like rich, xenophobic

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00:42:42,365 --> 00:42:46,165
Speaker 1: English people, being like, hey, you know there's all these

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00:42:46,165 --> 00:42:49,405
Speaker 1: like poor Irish people. Here's what I suggest. Why don't

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00:42:49,445 --> 00:42:52,205
Speaker 1: you guys just eat their babies? You know? That was

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00:42:52,285 --> 00:42:56,325
Speaker 1: his whole God essay that he wrote. It was satire, obviously,

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00:42:56,365 --> 00:42:58,965
Speaker 1: but it was and he was like a modest proposal

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Speaker 1: for preventing the children of poor people in Ireland from

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00:43:02,125 --> 00:43:04,565
Speaker 1: being a burden on their parents or country and for

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00:43:04,685 --> 00:43:07,365
Speaker 1: making them ben aficial to the public. And so he

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00:43:07,445 --> 00:43:09,765
Speaker 1: just says this whole diet dribe about like, yeah, just

723
00:43:10,365 --> 00:43:15,605
Speaker 1: eat children, you just eat them, just eat them. I

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00:43:15,645 --> 00:43:17,725
Speaker 1: think I read this in high school and I remember

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00:43:17,765 --> 00:43:21,005
Speaker 1: it actually being very well written and funny, and like,

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00:43:21,085 --> 00:43:23,325
Speaker 1: if you understand the context of the times, it's like

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00:43:23,485 --> 00:43:27,205
Speaker 1: very enjoyable to read. Yeah. He was like, I have

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00:43:27,285 --> 00:43:30,565
Speaker 1: been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance

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00:43:30,565 --> 00:43:33,525
Speaker 1: in London that a young, healthy child well nursed is

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00:43:33,605 --> 00:43:36,885
Speaker 1: at a year old a most delicious and nourishing and

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00:43:36,925 --> 00:43:41,805
Speaker 1: wholesome food. Which is funny whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled,

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00:43:41,805 --> 00:43:43,965
Speaker 1: because here he's making fun of rich, but he's also

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00:43:44,005 --> 00:43:46,765
Speaker 1: making fun of people in America, which I also appreciate,

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00:43:47,005 --> 00:43:52,285
Speaker 1: my knowing American friend. We deserve it. Yeah. Oh yeah.

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00:43:52,325 --> 00:43:55,205
Speaker 1: Also he was saying he was making fun of Catholics too.

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00:43:55,245 --> 00:43:58,725
Speaker 1: He was like, infants flesh will be in season throughout

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00:43:58,765 --> 00:44:01,765
Speaker 1: the year, but most plentiful in March and a little

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00:44:01,765 --> 00:44:05,045
Speaker 1: before and after because all the babies were being born then,

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00:44:05,085 --> 00:44:07,285
Speaker 1: because he was saying that was nine months after Lent.

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00:44:09,405 --> 00:44:11,485
Speaker 1: He's like, all these people after Lent or horny and

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00:44:11,485 --> 00:44:12,965
Speaker 1: they had kids, and now we got all of them

742
00:44:14,365 --> 00:44:17,285
Speaker 1: for Lent. Yeah, so that's a great time to like

743
00:44:18,045 --> 00:44:21,885
Speaker 1: eat children. Anyway. So when I was joking earlier about

744
00:44:21,925 --> 00:44:24,165
Speaker 1: eating your kids, you know, I'm just like this man.

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00:44:24,285 --> 00:44:26,685
Speaker 1: You know, I'm making the same joke like three hundred

746
00:44:26,765 --> 00:44:34,565
Speaker 1: years later, So eat your children. The end. Well, this

747
00:44:34,645 --> 00:44:38,965
Speaker 1: has been an episode about cannibalism, and what a fun

748
00:44:38,965 --> 00:44:41,925
Speaker 1: time we had. Yeah, what did I ever do with

749
00:44:41,965 --> 00:44:49,925
Speaker 1: that lady's cookbook? That's a quick question. I'm gonna um

750
00:44:50,485 --> 00:44:54,205
Speaker 1: into evidence and probably not to see the light of

751
00:44:54,285 --> 00:44:59,005
Speaker 1: day because I mean, like here's the thing, and like, okay,

752
00:44:59,045 --> 00:45:01,365
Speaker 1: so back to Sweetie Todd, like even like you know,

753
00:45:01,485 --> 00:45:06,205
Speaker 1: the more more recent iteration, like people are watching this

754
00:45:06,245 --> 00:45:08,925
Speaker 1: and like some people are probably like, hum, that's not

755
00:45:09,005 --> 00:45:14,685
Speaker 1: about you. You know, look these people. That movie was

756
00:45:14,805 --> 00:45:20,325
Speaker 1: out when these people were around. Tim Burton did this.

757
00:45:20,525 --> 00:45:24,085
Speaker 1: So Tim Burton, it's Helena Bottom Carter dead. This Johnny

758
00:45:24,125 --> 00:45:26,685
Speaker 1: Depp did it. It's their fault that these people were

759
00:45:26,685 --> 00:45:31,525
Speaker 1: eating people feeding them to other people. Perhaps after this, Okay,

760
00:45:32,125 --> 00:45:36,405
Speaker 1: Johnny depp is canceled he encouraged cannibalism. No, Also, you know,

761
00:45:36,485 --> 00:45:39,925
Speaker 1: people have to take personal responsibility too. Just because you

762
00:45:39,965 --> 00:45:42,325
Speaker 1: have information doesn't mean you should do it. Like, don't

763
00:45:42,405 --> 00:45:45,565
Speaker 1: let yourself become a cannibal, y'all. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Got it anyway? Yeah, even though it might be our

765
00:45:51,525 --> 00:45:54,485
Speaker 1: innate survived like none of us, none of us are surviving, Like,

766
00:45:54,525 --> 00:45:56,765
Speaker 1: we're fine right now. You don't need it, You don't

767
00:45:56,765 --> 00:46:00,605
Speaker 1: need to eat somebody. Okay, thanks for listening and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about you next week. Bye bye, kid Gal. Cadaver

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