WEBVTT - Ep. 13: Raining Blood on High Mountain Rainbows

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<v Speaker 1>Big cutty on a stone fly. My ass, you're pulling

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<v Speaker 1>the maps behind an RC cigarette boat. W t F.

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<v Speaker 1>How can you screw up with fish taco? But it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. Like I am who I am and I

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<v Speaker 1>come from where I come from. Those are not sandals. MG.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you Dan W from Fishing Adventtions with Dan w?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Bent the Fishing podcast with as much nutritional value as

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<v Speaker 1>Ecto cooler. I'm Joe Surmelli A Miles Nulty and I

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<v Speaker 1>really have not thought about an Ecto cooler since I

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<v Speaker 1>was in Coventry school. I'm serious, Like that is you

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<v Speaker 1>dusted off some old memories with that. Was it like

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<v Speaker 1>just capri Son with Ghostbusters packaging? Yeah, that's all it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a high sea product. It was delicious, Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There's probably a million of reasons why that's like not

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<v Speaker 1>FDA approved for kids now, but if they still made

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<v Speaker 1>it out by it, I liked it and they paid,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they paid perfectly. With lunchables. You and I

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<v Speaker 1>were of the air when when lunchables were revolutionary, a

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<v Speaker 1>special treat you know, remember having when having a lunchable

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<v Speaker 1>made you a cool kid? Did you get lunchables? No? God, no,

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<v Speaker 1>my my. I did not have the mom that was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna give me lunchables, just like I'm making you a sandwich.

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<v Speaker 1>There's want lunchables? I got, I got, can't. I've also

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<v Speaker 1>ended up fishing and destination so disconnected that lunchables were

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<v Speaker 1>the only logical thing to buy, Like the one gas

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<v Speaker 1>station in town, and then it comes from from deep

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<v Speaker 1>South Texas and we ate him for four days straight. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>these days, luckily, it's no longer slimy rounds of mystery

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<v Speaker 1>turkey that fuels us, though, is it? That's true? Grown

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<v Speaker 1>Up Miles and Joe, as well as this podcast are

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<v Speaker 1>fueled entirely by Black Rifle Coffee. There's absolutely nothing mysterious

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<v Speaker 1>about their premium blends, and there's no strange mouth feel

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<v Speaker 1>associated with enjoying a steaming up of their a K

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<v Speaker 1>Espresso or Silencer Smooth. Agreed. Agreed. And if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to join the new cool kids club that doesn't require

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<v Speaker 1>you to buy lunchables, you guys should head over to

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<v Speaker 1>Black Rifle Coffee dot com backslash meat Eater and get

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<v Speaker 1>set up with their subscription service, or just go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and buy lots of bags, and when you're doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>drop the promo code meat Eater to get off your

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<v Speaker 1>first order. So we actually do get to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of the cool kids club today, just in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a very different capacity. I mean, alright, well, let's put

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<v Speaker 1>it away. I feel like a cool kid today because

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<v Speaker 1>we got the legendary and highly respected Tom Rosenbauer of

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<v Speaker 1>Orvis to agree to hang out with us here at Bent,

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<v Speaker 1>which is strange and amazing. I feel like a cool

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<v Speaker 1>kid because of that. And you and I have both

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<v Speaker 1>known Tom for years, and I still feel like a

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<v Speaker 1>cool kid when Tom's like, all right, I'll hang out

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<v Speaker 1>with you for a while. You know. But but he's

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<v Speaker 1>such a good dude, and he's one of those guys

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<v Speaker 1>that just exudes ang to acknowledge, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's written so many books and he's constantly doing live

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<v Speaker 1>tying sessions and answering questions. But rather than you know,

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<v Speaker 1>harness that wealth of knowledge to make you better anglers,

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<v Speaker 1>we basically just asked Tom to trash somebody. Is the plan?

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty much, opportunity squandered. Pretty much. We're gonna we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>reverse the polarity of our Smooth Moves segment this week,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of letting a guide or captain rant about

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<v Speaker 1>stupid things clients have done, We're letting Tom Phillis in

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<v Speaker 1>on the worst guide he's ever fished with. Why Why

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna do something a little different on Smooth

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<v Speaker 1>Moves this week. Very happy to have a very esteemed

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<v Speaker 1>guest with us here, Mr Tom Rosenbauer, friend of mine

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<v Speaker 1>and Miles of ORBS fame. How are you, sir? Hey Joe, Hey, Miles,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing. We're great to see you, man, Yes, man,

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<v Speaker 1>and appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm not that busy. I'm happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, you're gonna make it sound like you're working harder.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll sell yourself out. You have, you have tying videos

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<v Speaker 1>to make and for the yeah, for the legions of fans.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, normally on Smooth Moves we have a captain

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<v Speaker 1>or a guide on here venting about some ridiculous thing

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<v Speaker 1>a client has done over the years, and we figure

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<v Speaker 1>this is a good opportunity to sort of reverse roles

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, because you are a well traveled man you

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<v Speaker 1>have fly fished all over the world, fished with tons

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<v Speaker 1>of guides. So today we're gonna flip the coin and

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<v Speaker 1>give you a chance to tell us about the worst

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<v Speaker 1>guide that you ever fish with. The worst guide story.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have the Mike Tom all right. You know

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<v Speaker 1>it's a really hard one because you've been in the

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<v Speaker 1>industry as long as I have you, you get heads

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<v Speaker 1>up about bad guides, and you know, typically, um, I

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<v Speaker 1>get I get good guys. I mean it's hard for

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<v Speaker 1>me to remember a really bad guide. Um Uh, they're

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<v Speaker 1>so much nicer than me. Yeah, I mean, I really,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean guys are I mean, guys, these days are

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<v Speaker 1>so great. Um, I think the most disappointing guide trip

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever had John Combs, John Combs orvis Um Rod

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<v Speaker 1>and real designer who's one of my favorite fishing buddies.

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<v Speaker 1>That I were down to Florida for the BTT Symposium

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<v Speaker 1>and we got a day with a with a guide

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<v Speaker 1>out of Miami, and so we showed up at the

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<v Speaker 1>dock at you know, like eight thirty, which to me

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, half the day's gone. It's gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds kind of late. Yeah, And I in fish

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<v Speaker 1>Fish game Bay in a long time. He took us

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<v Speaker 1>out there and it was kind of windy and rainy,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, uh, do you mind if I were

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<v Speaker 1>looking for both fishing permit? He said, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we should chum today. And I said, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be kind of fun. You know. Nordinarily I'd say no,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was miserable day, and you know, just let's

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<v Speaker 1>have some fun. Let's chump and see what comes up.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Shaun and I caught a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>puffer fish. That was it. We started to see who

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<v Speaker 1>catch the most puffer fish and then that was over

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, boy, it's getting windy out here, and

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<v Speaker 1>we said yeah, yes sort of. He said, that's fishing

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be very good. And Sean and I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we we love to fish. We fish hard. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you need places with some lady fish, you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>something we could throw to the late I like lady Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>going to Harvard and throw some lady fish. And we

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<v Speaker 1>went and we caught a couple of lady fish and

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<v Speaker 1>it was about eleven thirty and he said, well, do

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's time to call it? And neither Shaan

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<v Speaker 1>nor I said a war or we just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>looked at each other and said, w t F. What

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to do for the rest of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Put in a whole three hours of guiding there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he took us in and and we asked

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<v Speaker 1>him for a restaurant recommendation where we were staying, and

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<v Speaker 1>so he gave us a restaurant recommendation which was very

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<v Speaker 1>close to the hotel we were staying at. And just

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<v Speaker 1>to top it off, this was and I'm not that

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<v Speaker 1>fussy about restaurants, this was the worst restaurant. How can

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<v Speaker 1>you screw up a fish taco? And I had I had,

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<v Speaker 1>I had like four margarite is and I swear none

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<v Speaker 1>of them had in the alcohol in it. I kept

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<v Speaker 1>to hope that I'd get a little bit of tequila

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Um. Yeah, So but I have to ask, No,

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<v Speaker 1>did he know who you were, like, who you guys were,

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<v Speaker 1>and who you were with and what you do he

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<v Speaker 1>was an order guide? Oh no, not any of my doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's no longer person. So I'm compelled to ask, man,

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<v Speaker 1>when you were guiding, were you one of those dudes

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<v Speaker 1>that was really hard line about time? Like not that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on many half day trips, and even though

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that you get what you pay for, it's

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<v Speaker 1>always bothered me a little when it was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're done, even if the action was fire like, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what, you know that dude is back to the

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<v Speaker 1>dock by two pm, not to fIF not to two

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<v Speaker 1>pm on the nose, you know, I mean the length

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<v Speaker 1>I will here's what I'll say. The lengths of guide days,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for me and a lot of people I know,

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<v Speaker 1>correlate with how enjoyable the clients are to be with.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just put it back, like if if I was

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with super obnoxious people who just you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>hours felt like minutes. We hit the ramp at five

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<v Speaker 1>pm at the latest, it was like we're done. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if I was enjoying, like if I

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<v Speaker 1>was having a good time fishing with whomever was in

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<v Speaker 1>my boat and we're enjoying our time together, we just

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<v Speaker 1>fish and we got back. When we got back, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be dark if fishing was good. That that's

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<v Speaker 1>how I always ran it well, and that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>to play it. I think that's fair. You were one

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<v Speaker 1>of the good ones, and I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's what a lot of guys do, which should

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<v Speaker 1>be motivation to not be one of the smooth moves

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<v Speaker 1>people like. The story should not be about you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>be cool to your guide. And I'm also sure, unlike

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<v Speaker 1>Tom's guide, you could also recommended damn Good Bar. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you could have more than one. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know who else can recommended damn good Bar. You folks

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<v Speaker 1>at home are dozens of listeners, and we have a

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<v Speaker 1>ringer this week, not even kidding around. Here comes one

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<v Speaker 1>hell of a thrashing nomination for That's My Bar, Best

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<v Speaker 1>God Damn Bar tender from Kim buck to to Portland's

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<v Speaker 1>Maine Portland argument for that matter, Today's That's My Bar

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<v Speaker 1>Submissi and comes to us from Nick Silva, and I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta say Nick must have had one hell of a

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<v Speaker 1>freshman English teacher, because he seems to have learned rule

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<v Speaker 1>number one for effective writing. Know your audience. Listeners to

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast have probably picked up on the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>both Joe and I are children of the nineties, with

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<v Speaker 1>particular sauce spots for metal, punk and hardcore bands from

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<v Speaker 1>that era. Nick clearly picked up on that, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why he knew that he had to send this submission

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<v Speaker 1>for June Lake Brewing. Yeah, I'll just jump in before

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<v Speaker 1>you get to the description, like this one comes with

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<v Speaker 1>whip lash, like the kind of whip lash that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of us haven't had in fifteen twenty years. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but it inspired me to kick out some old jams.

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<v Speaker 1>And now my neck hurts, so ah, can't turn your

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<v Speaker 1>head left it right anymore? Exactly? All right here it is,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what Nick sent us. Located in June Lake, California,

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<v Speaker 1>this brewery is the beer hub of the eastern Sierra Nevadas.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone from back country years to the old fishing guides

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<v Speaker 1>telling stories about the twenty one pound brown trout and

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<v Speaker 1>silver lake are mingling at the bar. If you show

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<v Speaker 1>up around opening, the server would usually have an Alpine

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<v Speaker 1>lake fly report for you. He starts his day with

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<v Speaker 1>a twelve mile round trip hike up the mountain to fish,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by beer shots for whoever is at the brewery

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<v Speaker 1>when they open. Most days they have a rad Slayer

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<v Speaker 1>playlist going on. Visit the restroom to check out. The

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<v Speaker 1>employees must carve Slayer into forearms before returning to work. Sticker,

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<v Speaker 1>It's so brilliant. Uh, Nick close out of the email

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<v Speaker 1>with a photo of that sticker and uh and if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see it for yourself, which which you

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<v Speaker 1>should go to either Joe's or my Instagram accounts. That's

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<v Speaker 1>at Joe dot Sir Meli one and at water Miles, respectively.

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<v Speaker 1>And if anybody knows where to purchase that sticker or

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<v Speaker 1>how even better yet, because sticker shouldn't be purchased, they

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<v Speaker 1>should be free how miles and I can get one

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<v Speaker 1>of those for free, I would just I would just

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<v Speaker 1>love to have that because it's like I've always I've

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<v Speaker 1>been saying it for years. Nothing goes with alpine fly

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<v Speaker 1>fishing like war ensemble cranked up to its Two things

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<v Speaker 1>don't belong in the same sentence. But that's why this

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<v Speaker 1>plays is so great. And I gotta say to the

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<v Speaker 1>the to the brewery owner, UM good for that he

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<v Speaker 1>can drink as much beer as he wants, because if

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<v Speaker 1>he's hiking twelve miles a day to fish alpine trout,

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<v Speaker 1>he can do all the taste. Like he's not couch tripping,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not gonna make him fat. Like that's that's terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. Man like even if it weren't for

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<v Speaker 1>the metal band references, which which clearly I appreciated this,

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<v Speaker 1>this one would be able to make a strong case

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<v Speaker 1>for a near perfect bar for me. Fresh brewed beer,

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<v Speaker 1>check backcountry skiing and skiers, check fishing guides my people.

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<v Speaker 1>Check a bartender who fishes alpine lakes in the morning

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<v Speaker 1>and gives beer shots in the afternoon. Done. This one

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<v Speaker 1>is like top of my list right now. It'd be

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<v Speaker 1>worth flying out there just just to feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>belong for the first time, and because I just it

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<v Speaker 1>just takes me back to my bar hopping days, with

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<v Speaker 1>the digital jukeboxes where you put your money in but

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<v Speaker 1>the que could be backed up so you might not

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<v Speaker 1>hear your songs for a while. Me and my boys

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<v Speaker 1>would be in these bars, would be like bit in

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<v Speaker 1>the jams and then I kicking the wheel in the

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<v Speaker 1>sky and an hour later Angel of Death would just

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<v Speaker 1>drop in. But the bartenders could manipulate those digital jukeboxes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know how many times a bartender would

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<v Speaker 1>be like nope, Like the whole bar would be like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, so this is this, this is where I belong,

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<v Speaker 1>This is where we belong. But listen, Nick fabulous submission.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys have been doing a tell of a job

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<v Speaker 1>sending this bar nominations and we appreciate them very very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Please keep them coming so we could nominate your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>fishy watering holes. Send those two bent at the meat

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<v Speaker 1>eater dot com. Have you ever been to a Slayer show?

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<v Speaker 1>Sadly no Pantera. Yes, huh see, I've been to a few.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of mosh pits and just general audience aggression,

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<v Speaker 1>I found the Slayer shows to be completely brutal, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's I'm jealous of you. I did not know you

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<v Speaker 1>had seen Pantera because I never got to see Pantera.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've heard that a Pantera show was just the

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<v Speaker 1>next level of brutal. What it made Slayer look like

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<v Speaker 1>romper Room, But unfortunately I never got to see him live.

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<v Speaker 1>Chaos Man pure cast I saw. I saw Pantera on

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<v Speaker 1>the Vulgar Display of Power Tour. Yeah. I heard it

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<v Speaker 1>was like scary, Like even if you were a hardass

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<v Speaker 1>metal dude, you're like Panters that there there there ship's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was next level, like there were no rules.

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<v Speaker 1>You could if you could get to the front, you

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<v Speaker 1>could climb up on stage and stage dive like whatever

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you were brave enough to do was legit. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the most brutal mosh scene of all time. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know what else is brutal? I have a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>I do know. Tell me Lance V. That's what's brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>But as brutal as I find his name Jabber to be.

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<v Speaker 1>We just keep kidding these questions and feedback about the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>The topic he's covering this week in Trolling with Lance

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<v Speaker 1>does at least show that he has a human side.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, his heart may look like those autopsy pictures

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<v Speaker 1>of Smoker's lungs, but at least he has one and

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<v Speaker 1>we know that now. So here's a tender, somewhat lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>made for TV movie moment on how Lance deals with

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<v Speaker 1>the price of fame, the land, to the boats, to

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<v Speaker 1>the like, to the seating up the n on net,

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<v Speaker 1>but the boy lands, Oh lot, peradadors. It's me, your buddy, Lance,

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<v Speaker 1>be here to cancel you on your journey to Internet fishing.

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<v Speaker 1>Start um. We've been getting a ton of questions from you, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>many of whish made me feel so bad for you

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<v Speaker 1>that I shot Monster Rehab out of my nose from

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<v Speaker 1>laughing hysterically, But since I consider myself a faith he er,

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<v Speaker 1>I shall not judge. Keep those questions coming to Bent

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<v Speaker 1>at the Mediator dot com. This week's question comes from

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<v Speaker 1>Dan W, who writes that douchebag online fishing trol y'all

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<v Speaker 1>put on was horrible. Please never do that again, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering how he handles getting recognized on the water.

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<v Speaker 1>As my YouTube channel is nearing a hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine subscribers, this is a concern I have for myself.

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<v Speaker 1>A terrific question, Dan. Part of being a successful internet

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<v Speaker 1>angler is giving the impression you only fish where the

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<v Speaker 1>common folk don't. At this point in my career, Indiana

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<v Speaker 1>Jones couldn't figure out where the guy fish. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna assume you're still fishing the parking lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>same county puddle you've gone to for your entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's what to do when a fan approaches you

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<v Speaker 1>and says, O, MG, are you Dan W from Fishing

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<v Speaker 1>Adventures with Dan W. Oh my god, I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>you fish? Are you say? I don't really fish here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just field testing a new lure or rod. Decide

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<v Speaker 1>if it's worth taking the brand on as a sponsor,

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<v Speaker 1>and this toilet bowl happened to be on the way

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<v Speaker 1>to the airport hashtag business class. Or you can go

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<v Speaker 1>to the nostalgic route and say I used to fish

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<v Speaker 1>here when I was a kid. We used to catch

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<v Speaker 1>seven pound hogs left and right. But I see this

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<v Speaker 1>place has gone to total ship. I just swung in

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<v Speaker 1>because I have time to kill before the new lexus

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<v Speaker 1>I bought. My mom gets a liver to her house

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<v Speaker 1>hashtag where do your mother? In either case, the objective

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<v Speaker 1>is to make the fan understand you're actually too good

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<v Speaker 1>to be fishing this spot, thereby inferring he or she

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<v Speaker 1>is a complete loser. I hope this was helpful, Dan

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<v Speaker 1>and allows you to reclaim the serenity you seek instead

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<v Speaker 1>of constantly feeling like the guy who played the liquid

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<v Speaker 1>Terminator walking around comic Con. Hashtag shoot for the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>If you miss, you'll land among the stars. Hashtag that

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<v Speaker 1>was terrible advice. Hashtag I can't believe we're contractually obligated

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<v Speaker 1>to have him on the show. Hashtag looks forget that

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<v Speaker 1>just happened, and move on to fish news right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Fish news that escalated quickly, so I want to kick

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<v Speaker 1>this off with a few fan shout outs. Not long

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<v Speaker 1>ago I covered a little news piece on the famed

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<v Speaker 1>mullet toss in Florida, where drunk people throw dead bait

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<v Speaker 1>fish cross state lines, and Miles and I had questions

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<v Speaker 1>in particularly what were the rules for for throwing and

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<v Speaker 1>can you say craft a slingshot or trebor sche perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>and as predicted you find people provided the answer. Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Williams wrote in to say, you have to throw it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can throw it however you feel. However you

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<v Speaker 1>feel it never feels right to you whatever that fish

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<v Speaker 1>speaks to you and says, throw me like this exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says there's a board at the at the

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<v Speaker 1>mullet toss demonstrating the most common ways. I could not

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<v Speaker 1>find that, but did learn it cost fifteen bucks to

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<v Speaker 1>throw them. Allett pop, which begs more questions byd was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I was gonna say, which begs more questions like

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<v Speaker 1>what if I bring my own mullet comedy and exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>And and then follow that up, we got a note

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<v Speaker 1>from Grant Russell in Australia, so that's now pushing like

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<v Speaker 1>half dozen Australian fans and you wrote, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of those one upsman kind of guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but I thought i'd bring your attention to the tuna

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<v Speaker 1>tossing event at the Tuna Rama Festival in Port Lincoln, Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Aussies are just more manly than Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>said you would level it up thesses. But apparently Grant

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<v Speaker 1>says they held a fake tune of these days, weighing

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two pounds, real tuna are no longer being thrown, imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>much to the delight of the seafood buyers from Japan

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<v Speaker 1>who have stood outside protesting the event for decades, hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of signs saying please save the tune of parentheses for us. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get into news and remember, kids, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a competition. Miles and I do not know which stories

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<v Speaker 1>the other dude has and are awesome. Engineer Phil will

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<v Speaker 1>declare a news victor at the end. And now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>scared because for the first time last week we overlapped,

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<v Speaker 1>we crossed stories and I crushed you. Yes you did,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was traumatic all around. It was it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an awkward moment I was bound to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It took twelve episodes, but now I'm on edge, especially

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<v Speaker 1>considering I'm kicking off with a story out of Montana. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you got the leadoff man, You're you're, you're, You're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting pretty on this one, I know. But do you

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<v Speaker 1>have a story out of Montana? I'm not telling you.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel I feel good about my record of overlap

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<v Speaker 1>right now, so I'm just gonna hold tight with that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, fair enough. So um. This is from the

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<v Speaker 1>website of the Helena Independent Record headlold on, hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, hold on? How did you just pronounce our

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<v Speaker 1>state capital Helena? There we go, all right, moving on,

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<v Speaker 1>I said Helena, definitely not Helena anyway. From the website

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<v Speaker 1>of the Helena Independent Record headline Montana proposes ban on

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<v Speaker 1>fishing with drones and remote control boats. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>shame on you. Is this what you guys are doing

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<v Speaker 1>out there? No big big cutty on a stone fly

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<v Speaker 1>my ass. You're pulling the maps behind an RC cigarette

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<v Speaker 1>boat and I've just outed all of you. Finally, I

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<v Speaker 1>wish I could be that cool. No. Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>am very glad. So I'm aware of this, this this passage,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm very happy about it for the record, like

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<v Speaker 1>we can, we can riff on it and make jokes,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh, it's part of a broader sort of move

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<v Speaker 1>that they're doing with Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks to

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<v Speaker 1>outlaw drones for fishing, hunting, all kinds of stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm all for it. Oh, this is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting back and forth then, because I have I

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<v Speaker 1>have a slightly different take, and this is why we

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<v Speaker 1>work well together. So from the story, the state of

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<v Speaker 1>Montana is asking the public to weigh in on whether

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<v Speaker 1>drones and remote control boats should be banned for fishing,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Montana Fish and Wildlife Commission recently advanced for

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<v Speaker 1>public comment a proposal prohibiting the use of drones and

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<v Speaker 1>r C boats to place bait or lures, troll or

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<v Speaker 1>hook and land fish. The proposal also bars using the

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<v Speaker 1>devices to search for fish that are then cast two

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<v Speaker 1>with a rotten reel. So apparently game wardens in your

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<v Speaker 1>state have been getting more and more questions regarding the

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<v Speaker 1>legality of drones in our C boats for fishing. Now, Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>the story makes it sound to me like this is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty sporadic occurrence in Montana, Like it's not happening

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<v Speaker 1>that much. However, thanks to YouTube, the methods overall are

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<v Speaker 1>growing in popularity because there's a you know, a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of Yahoo's out there doing this and putting it on video. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But the issue is that this is sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>a gray area within the law. This is from the

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<v Speaker 1>story again. In general, laws and regulations contain specific prohibitions

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<v Speaker 1>against the use of guns, traps, or quote, other devices.

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<v Speaker 1>But anglers routinely used devices such as down riggers right

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<v Speaker 1>to place their baits or lures, and an argument could

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<v Speaker 1>be made that the drones or remote control boats perform

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<v Speaker 1>a similar function. Uh. And this was given to go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>to be open to public comment and possibly leading to

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<v Speaker 1>a a public hearing. And um, you know some supporters,

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<v Speaker 1>as you've already hinted at, are saying, well, we have

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<v Speaker 1>drones outlawed for hunt, which I understand that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cheating to scout a piece of land or something. In

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<v Speaker 1>hunting they need to do it in fair fair, but

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<v Speaker 1>they need to do it in fishing to just for

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<v Speaker 1>consistency sake, Like, if we're gonna outlaw that in hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>the outlaw that and fishing. And then um, Clayton Elliott

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<v Speaker 1>of Montana Trot Unlimited. He's a fan of the public

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<v Speaker 1>comment because he believes it's just important to quote search

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<v Speaker 1>and find the nexus between angling tactics and our mission

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<v Speaker 1>to preserve and protect cold water fisheries. So here are

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<v Speaker 1>a few thoughts, and this is where we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a little fun. Uh. First of all, the euro carpet

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<v Speaker 1>dudes have been using RC boats to run baits and

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<v Speaker 1>and drop bait piles in their swims for years. That's

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<v Speaker 1>actually not new or a gimmick. Those boats have actually

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<v Speaker 1>become adopted as legit tackle in that game. Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some guys can only afford the sling shot. The real

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<v Speaker 1>dudes get the remote control boat to send their their

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<v Speaker 1>their wad of boats a flying right. Um. But personally

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<v Speaker 1>see and generally speaking, I find this a little little hypocritical.

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<v Speaker 1>And hear me out right. I will never fish with

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<v Speaker 1>a drone. I will never drag the maps behind a

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<v Speaker 1>little boat. Neither will you. But in my opinion, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's how you get your jollys, have at it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I say it's hypocritical because if we you want

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<v Speaker 1>to ban small RC vehicles to what protect fish Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got forty boats putting in at the ramp that

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<v Speaker 1>have side scanned down scan, auto down riggers, I pilot

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<v Speaker 1>spot lock, and real time bottom mapping capability. So point being,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, if you want to ban technology to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of preserve fisheries, like ban that ship. We we

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.160
<v Speaker 1>all complain about how much harder it is to catch

0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 1>fish nowadays, but like we've we've already given them nowhere

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 1>to hide. So for me, like, it's not the dude

0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 1>with the Walmart boat or the radio shack making a

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 1>YouTube video that concerns me, it's the guy who's got

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 1>more tech than NASA on his ranger. You make a

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.919
<v Speaker 1>compelling argument, Joe, and uh, and my response is not

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna be based in logic. I'll just tell you that

0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:00.400
<v Speaker 1>right now because because I can't argue with it. Like all,

0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 1>everything you just said is totally straight up spot on,

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.359
<v Speaker 1>but I still am opposed to it. And my argument

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.919
<v Speaker 1>has more to do with how I like. My argument

0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 1>has to do with not infringing upon other people's enjoyment

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 1>of the outdoors. To me, drones flying around the river

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>or the lake are annoying as hell has become somewhat

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 1>popular on on on the trout rivers around here, guys

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 1>will be on their guided trip, you know, and the

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 1>guide's own and the guy dudes are fishing or ladies whomever.

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>The anglers are fishing in the front the back, and

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 1>they have their drone programmed to follow behind them down

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 1>the river so that they don't miss any of their

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.640
<v Speaker 1>great fishing footage. And I find it just highly annoying.

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.399
<v Speaker 1>So for me, you're right, it has nothing to do

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.639
<v Speaker 1>with like protecting the fisher. Conservation has to do with

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 1>protecting my own sense of what I enjoy being outside

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 1>and not wanting to hear the worrying of little blades

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.439
<v Speaker 1>all the time. And I see that totally, and I

0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:00.080
<v Speaker 1>we are on the same page. It's funny because have

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.360
<v Speaker 1>done work where a drone is involved. It's like, when

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the drone is doing the work for you, you're like, oh,

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 1>this is sweet. But whenever you're out there and like

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 1>a drone flies over you and you don't know where

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>it comes from, I instantly want to like shoot it

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 1>down with the shotgun. Yeah, I hate I really dislike it.

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>But and and you make a valid point, but is

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 1>that like now you're getting into the argument of do

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 1>we just ban drones? I mean, you know what I mean,

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>especially like if you're talking about the dude with the

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.879
<v Speaker 1>follow me mode on the river he's not even using

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:30.880
<v Speaker 1>that has nothing to do with nothing to fishing its

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:38.360
<v Speaker 1>later on. I would I mean, on a totally personal level,

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.239
<v Speaker 1>I would love that, but I recognize that there are

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 1>reasons why it's not all about me. So I'm in

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 1>favor of this legislation passing. We'll see if it actually does.

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's gonna protect fish the only way

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>I could see it, and this is a totally minor

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 1>use case, and I don't think it would have any

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 1>impact at all. But just I hate the idea of

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 1>someone sitting in their truck sending up a drone, running

0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>it up and down, being like, are the fish rising?

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Let me go check it out. I don't want to.

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't actually want to walk or put in like

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the effort to go find them. That's the only thing

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I can think. And I don't think it would impact

0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the fish or at all. It's just again purely for

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.680
<v Speaker 1>my own sense of moral superiority and judgment and for

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the record that dudes it showed and I hate that guy.

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>But when you're looking at it from like a protection thing,

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.679
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, it's hard to spin it in

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>a like environmental concerns too, because there's a lot worse

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>things that can end up on the bottom of a lake, river,

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>ocean than a sunken drone or a toy boat, like

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, outboard fuel and oil and busted off lead.

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 1>So I'm totally with you with the annoyance factor, and like,

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I hate that guy when I see that guy, but

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's too hard to skin is like this,

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 1>this technology is too unfair for fishing. No, side scan

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 1>sonar is too unfair for fishing. Yeah, no, again, I

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>have no I have no qualms with your logic, and

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>I won't conspute it. I won't, Okay, I'm gonna, however,

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 1>stick with the theme of technology changing the way we've

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:03.120
<v Speaker 1>fish and changing fish, all right, So I think this

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 1>one should be filed under the headline researchers write paper

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>about phenomenon anglers have known for centuries, call it a

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>discovery the Royal Society, which is a real name for

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 1>an actual peer reviewed biology journal. I guessed, uh, I

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>guess elitists quarterly was already taken just published a paper

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>informing the world of some breaking news phish change their

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>behavior in response to fishing pressure. You don't say, you

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>don't say yep, okay, So that's not the interesting part

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>of the story. You know that, I know that anyone

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>who's ever walked past the TV while the fishing show

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>was playing knows that we've thankfully moved on from the

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 1>once common belief that fish memories only last for thirty seconds.

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 1>That has been thoroughly debunked, and this new study continues

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>to reinforce what everyone who's ever attempted to catch a

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>fish in a popular spot already knows. But this study

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't actually focus on sport fishing. It looked at marine

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>fish populations responses to modern commercial fishing practices, specifically, how

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>some commercial fleets fly drones around the ocean until they

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>locate large schools of fish, then drive boats right to

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>them and wrap them all up in nets. It's it's

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 1>an incredibly efficient method of harvest. Well, it seems that

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.479
<v Speaker 1>some marine fish populations are starting to adapt to this

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 1>new predatory pressure. They're not schooling in the same ways

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>that they have traditionally. The researchers noted fish populations splitting

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>into smaller groups and more fish moving individually or in pairs,

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>And I find this freaking fascinating. Yeah, me too, Right,

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>fish have adapted their social behaviors in order to avoid

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>getting eaten. Like that's that's one of the main functions

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 1>of swimming in a school safety and numbers, right. But

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>but with modern phishing methods, the fish that school are

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>the ones getting scooped, And the researchers hypothesized that because

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 1>this new form of human predation selects for fish that

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>are less social, the individuals who are not inclined to

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>school or favorite smaller schools are surviving and passing on

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 1>their traits and behaviors to their offspring. Which, again, mind body,

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>so cool. Do you realize that you've just done? Go ahead, finish?

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>App Yeah, let me finish. The long term implications of

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>this are totally unknown. Schooling fish developed the social traits

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>over millions of years because they've worked. Not only are

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>fishing schools better at avoiding their natural aquatic predators, but

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>a separate study published last month in Nature Communications showed

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>that fish swimming in a school expends significantly less energy

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 1>because they can draft behind each other. So what might

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>happen to these populations if phishing pressure changes their long

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 1>evolved behaviors. We really don't know, And this could also

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>be bad news for fishing industry, which is currently relying

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>on those massive, highly visible fish schools to make their

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>profit margins. So what you've just done here is you've

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>given all like, I'll just relate it to to striper

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>guys like I ain't seen a blitz since that's why.

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>That's why right there, because they don't school up anymore now, dude,

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>it is it is incredibly fascinating that we have hit

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>the ocean so hard that we are changing schooling behavior. Yeah,

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>like we are in it's it's just like natural selection.

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>To me geek out on that stuff. It's it's it's

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>amazing to watch. But seeing how human predation behaviors, which

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>are new predation behaviors the fish and never seen before,

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>changing the way that fish live and act is I

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I mean, it's said, but it's also just

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>really interesting. Well, and I think both of our stories

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 1>so far like they tie together beautifully. Like we're talking

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>about side scan and down scan. These guys are using

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>drones to find is for commercial purposes, and even that

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>a drone has made that job more efficient. Back in

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the day, like the day day, dude, the commercial fleets

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>would hire pilots to go out there and and fly around.

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>But now even that I always took it like, um,

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>the operations that that really had their ship dialed had

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the money to have their spot or planes and all that.

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>But still it was not everybody was doing that. Now

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>every commercial fleet probably has a drone guy on it

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>or that. That's just such a common thing and it's

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 1>gotten so much easier to do that. It all ties together, man,

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's those stories sort of go hand in

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>hand because it's it's all about, like, is technology, both

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>on the recreational and commercial side making us too efficient?

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Are we too efficient at what we can do now?

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean yes, but how do you stop right exactly exactly?

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>You you don't stop that? And that's that's the frightening thing.

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 1>But um, yeah, anybody who's planned about not seeing the

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>blitzing fish of any kind there you go blame the drones.

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 1>All things come back. So I'll move it from schooling

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 1>fish to very solitary fish. And what I classifies like

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.239
<v Speaker 1>a weekly World News style story. However, it's just from

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Yahoo dot com, which is essentially the same thing. Um

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 1>headline Fisherman discovers ugly frowning human like fish colon quote

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>it was looking at me. So this happened in Thailand

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and the and the story. The story says fisherman press

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>sort Shookle caught the unidentified pail fish, which had massive

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>human like lips and bulging blue eyes. To make matters

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>even creepier, the creature appeared to have a shocked expression

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 1>after it was captured. So this fish wade two point

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>seven kilograms that six pounds in American numbers, and was

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 1>forty two centimeters long that's seventeen inches in American numbers.

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Hugo said it was dead by the time he had

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>returned to shore. So I'm gonna throw a shot at

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>this up on my Instagram story today. But but basically,

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a squat fish that's all mouth. So picture

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 1>an angler fish or a monk fish, if you know

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>what those look like. It's similar to that huge mouth,

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 1>small body. Now, this dude caught this weird fish in

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>a crab trap, and homeboy says, I almost threw everything

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 1>back into the water. When I saw the scary fish,

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 1>it was looking at me and it had a face

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 1>like an ugly frowning human. It had big lips but

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 1>no teeth. Nobody knew what this creature was in our village,

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>including the elders. I did not dare to cook it

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 1>for myself or anybody else. So what the hell is it? Well?

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 1>A local marine center visited Shukel to examine the fish,

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and they believe it could be a Pola Carriss fish.

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>It would explain the horrifying expression Paula Harris bury their

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>heads in the sand with their mouths open to catch

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>tiny fish. But I instantly reckon now is this is

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:04.399
<v Speaker 1>something completely different? In fact, I researched Poula Carras fish

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.319
<v Speaker 1>and I got zero hits. Man like that seems to

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 1>not exist. So either Yahoo has a typo or marine

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>biologists in Thailand and have no idea what the hell

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>they're talking. It looks to me instantly like a lighter,

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>paler skin tone version of the Northern star gazer. But

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.720
<v Speaker 1>there are many kinds of star gazers all over the world,

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and they make up the Urano Scopaday families, and some

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>of them can actually get up to forty inches long.

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 1>And star gazers, no doubt, they're ugly and weird, right,

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>But I don't really think it looks that much like

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 1>a human. You've seen the shot like it does. I'm

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>looking at it right now. Yeah, it's frowning, but that

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.399
<v Speaker 1>that part sensationalized. But catching it in a crab trap

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:46.799
<v Speaker 1>makes sense because they do spend most of their time

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>buried in the sand or mud and just their eyes

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>are sticking out, so they don't move much. They don't

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 1>they don't chase stuff. And I've caught a handful of

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Northern star gazers over the years, but it's rare, and

0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 1>it's always in the surf. When you're you're sitting on

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.760
<v Speaker 1>a chunk, you have a clam or cut baits sitting

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>out there dead stick. Right. They don't fight. It's literally

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 1>like reeling in a paper bag full of sand. But

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:12.840
<v Speaker 1>stargazers are both venomous and can give you an electric shock,

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>no way, right, So they have spikes on their gilt

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>gil plates that that will dose you up, and if

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.399
<v Speaker 1>you step on their head you get shocked. And I've

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>gotten that shock and it is not pleasant. And while

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>they don't have the wattage of like an electric eel right,

0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 1>it's one of those like spine tingling, I don't even know,

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 1>like like pit of the stomach, bar feelings you get

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 1>when you like stub your toe real bad and like

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 1>break your toenail off. It's just like like as soon

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 1>as it happens, you know, like you're just out there

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 1>swimming with the kids, and you're like, ah, like you

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. Like it's just like so I've

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I've experienced that. And that's relevant to point out because

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Schooko gave the fish to the wildlife center fearing it

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>could bring him bad luck. And I would have been

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>more concerned about the venom in the electric shock than luck.

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.120
<v Speaker 1>But that's just me. So that's when we got there,

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 1>shook smart move not starting. No. Actually I read that

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 1>they are delicacy like the venom. Once you get away

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>from the the venom is apparently neutralized. Uh if you

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 1>cook them. I don't know anybody around here who eats them.

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:19.760
<v Speaker 1>You don't see them very much, but they are strange

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and the ones we have here are very starkly modeled,

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 1>black and white. Actually a very interesting fish. I gotta

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:28.399
<v Speaker 1>give you a lot of credit on that story, Joe,

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 1>that that I mean, I still want to win, but

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you took like the sensationalized headline did

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.879
<v Speaker 1>your own identifications were like, now, the biolog just got

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>it wrong. I know what that is. Come into fin

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>clips like I could save Stargazer for fin clips, but

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>it can always come back. It can always come back. Um. Yeah,

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I have no good transition from that into what I'm

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about other than you talked about a

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 1>fish and I'm going to talk about some other fish

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that live on a different continent. Right, more specifically, I'm

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about some fish that live on on this

0:37:56.080 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 1>continent in our greatest waterways of all least freshwater walkways.

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>All right, So back in there were a few different

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 1>studies published that showed mercury levels in Great Lakes fish

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>we're holding steadier, in some cases rising. And some of

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.319
<v Speaker 1>you might be thinking, duh, everybody knows the Great Lakes

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 1>are like this polluted wasteland. Didn't want of them like

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>catch on fire or something, And yes, that used to

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 1>be the case. But uh, but if if you're up

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>on kind of contemporary happenings, the Great Lakes represent one

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 1>of the best examples of conservation success that we have

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:35.799
<v Speaker 1>in this country. Ever since the passage of the Clean

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Water Act, the waters and fisheries quality of the Great

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Lakes has improved exponentially. Lake Erie, which was considered a

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>dead zone that that's that was a term that was used,

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.440
<v Speaker 1>a dead zone for aquatic life in v is a

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.839
<v Speaker 1>thriving ecosystem now and and you see that trend all

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>across the lakes. Not only are the fish back, but

0:38:55.520 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the levels of pollutants mercury included are low howlow. According

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 1>to Sarah Jansen, a research chemist with the U S

0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Geological Survey, we're seeing some of the lowest concentrations of

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 1>mercury in waters and sediments that the Great Lakes have

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 1>ever seen. So that begs the question, why are the

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:18.399
<v Speaker 1>mercury levels in the fish not going down? And that's

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 1>what Ryan Lapac, researcher for the National Science Foundation, is

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out. The short answer, according to the Pack,

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:29.759
<v Speaker 1>is invasive species and ecosystems changes. Though the lakes now

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 1>have far fewer pollutants, they are home to many invasive

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 1>species like sea lampreys, ale wives, carp zebra muscles, and gobies,

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:42.719
<v Speaker 1>and those last two in particular might explain this this

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>conundrum that we're looking at. A single tiny zebra muscle

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 1>will filter gallons of water a day, so so they're

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.240
<v Speaker 1>they're like little miniature pollution magnets, and there are millions

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>of those muscles. That could be a good thing. Since

0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of native fish in the Great Lakes

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>don't eatzebra muscles, they could be sequestering all those pollutants

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 1>and taking them out of the food chain, except for

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 1>this other invasive species, small fish called gobies. Gobies do

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:16.839
<v Speaker 1>eat zebra mussels, and just about everything eats gobies, So

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>what's happening is that the remaining pollution in the system

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 1>now has this incredibly efficient pathway right into the food chain.

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>According to the pack, another factor that helps explain why

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>we're not seeing a drop in mercury levels and fish

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>is that the Great Lakes are both cold and hospitable.

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 1>That means the fish grow slowly, but they can live

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 1>a really long time, giving them lots of years to

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to to build up their mercury deposits. The takeaway here

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.399
<v Speaker 1>is actually a positive one, even though it doesn't sound

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:48.600
<v Speaker 1>like it at first. The Great lakes are much much

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>clear than they used to be. And while the levels

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 1>of mercury are remaining steady in the fish, and that's concerning,

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the levels still aren't so high that you shouldn't eat

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 1>any anything that lives in there. Right, like fish lower

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>in the food chain, perch, whitefish, they have they still

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:07.360
<v Speaker 1>have relatively low levels of contaminants. Bigger fish like lake trout,

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 1>they can still be eaten safely. You just want to

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 1>limit your consumption to one meal a week, and you know,

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>don't bring him as an appetizer to a baby shower. Right.

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:19.839
<v Speaker 1>Long term, if we keep the lakes clean, these fish

0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>will eventually flush out too. We just haven't got there yet. Well,

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and this one kind of hits home for me because

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I've spent a lot of time on Lake Erie in particular,

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I love fishing out of Buffalo Harbor, and um, I

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.239
<v Speaker 1>only know it as having been cleaned up, But you

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:35.879
<v Speaker 1>hear all these stories from the old time are about

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 1>just what a sludge pit that lake was for so long.

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:44.400
<v Speaker 1>And this is very interesting because zebra muscles in particular,

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>this highly invasive thing that that nobody wants, but also

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 1>nobody can deny how much they have contributed to cleaning

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 1>up Lake Erie, exactly right. But I mean, and and

0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.839
<v Speaker 1>knowing a lot of guys that fish there, you know,

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's always a trade off, Like they've affected

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:04.879
<v Speaker 1>bait fish migrations and so it is a trade off.

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 1>But um, that is fascinating because you're like, yes, so

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I get it. These muscles are making themselves a little

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>concentrated mercury ball and the gobies. Dude, when you go

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.359
<v Speaker 1>up there to fish, I don't care if you're lake

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>trout fishing, small mouth fishing, most of the time you

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 1>are trying to imitate a gobie. You go up there

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 1>with a brown tube, brown, little purple, little blurple tube

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 1>up there, Niagara River, on Lake Ontario, anywhere in Lake Erie.

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Most of the time you are trying to imitate a gobie.

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:40.720
<v Speaker 1>So good on these guys for figuring out that connection there. Um,

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>and I don't really know how to expand all other

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>than to say, like, boy, like yes for that. That

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 1>does make a lot of sense because every one of

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.319
<v Speaker 1>those muscles is just like a tide pod of of

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:54.520
<v Speaker 1>bad ship that is essentially making the entire lake cleaner.

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 1>But but I actually most guys will tell you the

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 1>gobies are a worse problem than the muscles. They much

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 1>rather have the muscles and get rid of the gobies. Yeah,

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I could go there's a hole of the

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole, I go down with the gobies replacing other forage.

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Based on why that's an issue, I'm not. I'm not

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>going to get into that because we just don't have time,

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 1>and that wasn't the point of the story. But I

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:15.360
<v Speaker 1>found that one really interesting to say, you know, we

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 1>had this conundrum, what the lakes are cleaner? Why aren't

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the fish cleaner? And and the fact that that someone

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 1>has possibly they think figured it out that that one

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 1>was another one I do stories today that I was like, Wow,

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.239
<v Speaker 1>that's really interesting. I hope that everybody out there is

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 1>as geeky as I am and find that as interesting

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 1>as I do. Um, we we both see well this week,

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:34.879
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, I'm just gonna win. I don't either,

0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 1>feel phil you have your work cut out for you.

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, if if I lose this week,

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I went down swinging and I will

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 1>still feel feel good about myself. It's not like it's

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 1>not like one of those weeks where you tanked and

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 1>you come in like I don't have it. I feel good.

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I think we both came with the heat this week.

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:51.360
<v Speaker 1>And if you lose this week, you're gonna lose twice

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 1>because as soon as we hear from Phil, we're moving

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 1>on to our our second installment of awkward moments in angling.

0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I took a beating compared I was compared to Joey

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Buttafuco last week. This week, I got some pictures from

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Miles mom, and we're gonna have a little fun at

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>his expense. Wow. Um, great showing from both of you.

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:19.320
<v Speaker 1>You guys really brought your a games this week. Unfortunately, uh,

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 1>this is just too close for me to call right now.

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've still got a ton of votes coming

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 1>in from Maricopa County and Georgia is looking like a

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 1>real nail biter, so stay tuned. Actually, on second thought,

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I will just give the crown to whichever one of

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:41.800
<v Speaker 1>you makes Lance V a hanging chad. When did you

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>take a picture in a lab black? So payback suck,

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>and now it's my turn to shame Miles. This is

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:54.759
<v Speaker 1>our second installment of awkward Moments in fishing, and here's

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the fun part of the photo I'm about to describe.

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Right by itself, it's just kind of a cute family shot.

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>But once you learn that this served as the Nulti

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:06.879
<v Speaker 1>family Christmas card, in which I have come to understand,

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>it levels up a notch. And since it's a family photo,

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>one has to get a sense of all the characters

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>and and you, you, sir, will have the chance to

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 1>tell me what I got wrong at the end. But

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 1>but what's fun about this is I get to paint

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:20.759
<v Speaker 1>my perception of your past in this moment, and then

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:23.160
<v Speaker 1>you get to tell us what I totally have inaccurate.

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see how you do a psychological

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>breakdown in my childhood through this photos. I did my best.

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed this. This is a this is a fun

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed this very much. So I'm gonna start with

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 1>eight year old Miles, who is rocking a full on

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Canadian tuxedo. Though you lose a few points though, because

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the gray stonewashed jean jacket kind of clashes with the

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:46.880
<v Speaker 1>classic lee dungaree blue jeans, so like it's all denim,

0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 1>it's just not cohesive denim. Okay. Points re earned, however,

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:53.719
<v Speaker 1>for the reef style flip flops, because you're not one

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 1>of those kids rocking the sandals with the built in

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 1>ankle braces like most kids wear, but minus one more point.

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 1>We're having the cuffs of the jeans rolled up way

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 1>too high. Like that's like that's the gene. Cuffs are

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:06.799
<v Speaker 1>rolled way too high for a young man. That's weak

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 1>and the particularly that time. Those are not sandals. Those

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:17.280
<v Speaker 1>are slippers. Yeah, no, you don't call them sandals in Hawaii.

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>They're slippers. Was taken in Hawaii. It was not taking

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.719
<v Speaker 1>in Hawaii, but it doesn't matter. Like I am who

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:26.399
<v Speaker 1>I am, and I come from where I come from.

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:29.759
<v Speaker 1>Those are not sandals. Okay, fine, fine, you got one

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 1>jab in you got okay, that's okay. Here's the thing, though,

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 1>The entire ensemble is complimented by a life jacket, but

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it is not just any life jacket, much like the Titanic.

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure somewhere on the original tag it was touted

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 1>as the unsinkable life jack, okay, which in fairness would

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:47.799
<v Speaker 1>have been the one that my mom bought two all right.

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>It's crafted from the same dense, rigid, non bendable gloss

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 1>coated foam they used to make headgear for people training

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:56.840
<v Speaker 1>in martial arts or those prone to seizures. So if

0:46:56.880 --> 0:47:00.840
<v Speaker 1>you could picture that shiny, glossy foam, that's this life jacket.

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 1>All right now, Myles dad has his arms around miles

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.840
<v Speaker 1>shoulders and he's horizontally holding a large mouth bass that

0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:08.240
<v Speaker 1>I'll say is I'm gonna say what four or five pounds?

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 1>You tell me? Yeah? Yeah, it was written a five

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:12.680
<v Speaker 1>pound rinch. Okay, he's holding it right in front of

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 1>your face, but you're not looking at the fish that

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 1>is inches in front of your face, nor at the camera,

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 1>but rather like awkwardly off to the side, as if

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 1>young Miles had just seen the ice cream truck like

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.280
<v Speaker 1>round the corner or something. So you're totally not engaged

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:28.279
<v Speaker 1>in the photo. All right now, Uh, your dad is

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.439
<v Speaker 1>is owning the members jacket, only he's wearing a light

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 1>gray like a champion. And I'm not even gonna poke

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 1>fun because that he's straight varsity, right. He's also wearing

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:39.879
<v Speaker 1>some choice aviators that to me looked like they were

0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:43.479
<v Speaker 1>real pilot aviators, like they weren't the knockoff ray bands

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I used to buy at the flea market. Okay, and uh,

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>your dad finishes off with a blue hat that I

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:51.640
<v Speaker 1>would wear all day at Presidents. Subsequently, some hipster would

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:54.880
<v Speaker 1>pay fifty bucks for on eBay and dude, I've zoomed

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:56.840
<v Speaker 1>in and I cannot tell what it says, but it

0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 1>looks like a beer brand to me. I thought it

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:00.799
<v Speaker 1>was Papst at first, but be you can tell us

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Miller light that's a Miller light hat. I'm almost positive

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that's a Miller lighthead because I think it's I'm not

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 1>looking at the photo right now, but he wore that

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Miller led hat all the time fishing, so I'm assuming

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it's the same one. Okay. Well, anyway, you've said in

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 1>this podcast previous your dad developed video games for a living,

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<v Speaker 1>But based on just this shot, I put him like

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<v Speaker 1>eastbounding down as a long haul trucker who likes playing

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:24.640
<v Speaker 1>pool and knows how to wheel to queue when ship

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<v Speaker 1>gets ugly. All right, Oh, hold on, I'm sorry I

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<v Speaker 1>screwed up. That is. I can't believe I messed this up.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a point logger hat from Point Wisconsin. And no,

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>no wonder you didn't notice that or know what that

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.680
<v Speaker 1>was because it was a very niche brand from that

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 1>part of the country. But that is a point logger hat,

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<v Speaker 1>no question, hands down. All right, So we got clarity

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:47.960
<v Speaker 1>on the hat. We can move on to your mom.

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.359
<v Speaker 1>And she's just like so cute and momish in this shot,

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:53.840
<v Speaker 1>like clean compared to you two ruffians, stark white shirt,

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 1>striped denim skirt, and like a scuff free pair of kids.

0:48:57.080 --> 0:49:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps they were kids my mom wore kids, um, And

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I know what she's thinking because I have

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:04.560
<v Speaker 1>similar pictures with my mom. She's playing along for the

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:07.239
<v Speaker 1>picture for your sake, she's encouraging of your fishing. But

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:09.439
<v Speaker 1>get super piste when you used the good cutting board

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.120
<v Speaker 1>to whack up a walleye, And God bless her for

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:15.359
<v Speaker 1>letting this be your Christmas card? What did I get right?

0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 1>What did I get wrong? Oh? Man? You were pretty

0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 1>much spot on that that whole way through. Uh what

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 1>What you you don't know is that I'm like, actually

0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:27.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of piste off in that photo because Dad's getting

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 1>ahold of fish but I'm not. And I'm like, you know,

0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm eight. I'm like, that's no fair. I wanna I

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>want to be holding the fish in the in the

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Christmas card. And I was even more piste because because

0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 1>I did have what I thought was a picture worthy

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:44.239
<v Speaker 1>fish that was caught that day. I had, you know,

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a northern pike that in my mind was was was

0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:50.520
<v Speaker 1>a dandy. It was nothing compared to Christmas card. Dandy wasn't.

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:52.919
<v Speaker 1>And I know there are other photos that I made

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 1>people take of me holding the fish, but my fish photo,

0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:58.319
<v Speaker 1>the photos of the family with me holding the fish,

0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>did not make the Christmas card. Oh no, no, no,

0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 1>just the one with with dad's big bass. And uh

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:05.719
<v Speaker 1>and and Mom was not happy about the whole thing

0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:08.160
<v Speaker 1>ever becoming our Christmas card. Now in the moment, she

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't know this was gonna be the Christmas card. But

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I do remember this being a point of contention that

0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 1>that our Christmas card being sent out to all our

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:19.040
<v Speaker 1>genteel and polite friends who didn't care at all about fishing,

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 1>had to see my dad holding a giant dead bass.

0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 1>So that's pretty much, uh, that's pretty much what I

0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:26.000
<v Speaker 1>got for you. You You did, you did well, sir, well,

0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:27.960
<v Speaker 1>that was a great awkward fishing moment. And not to

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 1>all the fathers of young children out there, okay, don't

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:32.839
<v Speaker 1>let this resentment breed forever, and let your kids hold

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 1>their own fish. They'll never never forgive you for it.

0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:42.839
<v Speaker 1>All right, that's stunn a little. But uh, now that

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Joe has taken his lumps and awkward fishing moments and

0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 1>I have taken mine, it's only fair. It's your turn.

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to all of you out there listening. It's

0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:57.200
<v Speaker 1>my duty to remind you that my picture can now

0:50:57.239 --> 0:51:00.479
<v Speaker 1>be seen on mine Joe's Instagram pages. That's at water

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:04.439
<v Speaker 1>Miles and at Joe dot Sir, Melie. But we want

0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 1>to put your terribly awkward fishing photos on our pages

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.800
<v Speaker 1>as well. We've already gotten a few, but keep them coming,

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:13.919
<v Speaker 1>send them to bent at the Meat Eater dot com,

0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:17.359
<v Speaker 1>and you might get to be burned by us on

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.000
<v Speaker 1>this podcast. We hope, so at least we want to

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 1>burn you. But let's keep making people feel awkward right now.

0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Though we've had our good friend dos Bot to Lum

0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:29.200
<v Speaker 1>and badass guy Tim Land We're on the show before,

0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.479
<v Speaker 1>but this week we're gonna try and rattle his brain

0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 1>with trivia where categories include flea market, junk, and horrible cinema.

0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:39.880
<v Speaker 1>You gotta be highly skilled for these shows. You understand

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that I do under Are you well? Burst, there. You're

0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:46.719
<v Speaker 1>very smart men. Half all right in the hot seat

0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:48.960
<v Speaker 1>today for trivia. My good buddy Tim Land where of

0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:53.120
<v Speaker 1>tight Lins Fly Fishing Company in Green Bay. What's going on? Tim?

0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Not much show? How are you doing? Good man? Now?

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Tim and I met on the set of season two

0:51:58.200 --> 0:52:02.479
<v Speaker 1>of dos Boat this past summer, and um, I learned

0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 1>a few things about you after spending a few days

0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 1>with you that have helped me Taylor Today's trivia questions,

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and uh the first one of those things that I

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.000
<v Speaker 1>learned from hanging out at the fly shop is that,

0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 1>like me, you are a collector of vintage tackle. Okay, well,

0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:23.319
<v Speaker 1>all right, you don't sound too confident, but you do

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 1>have you do have too, yes, So just having it there,

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I assumed you were an expert, so we'll see how

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 1>this goes. But you have too awesome cases of vintage

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 1>flies and reels and all kinds of cool stuff there

0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:39.160
<v Speaker 1>in the shop that I was just very interested in.

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.799
<v Speaker 1>So our first question today is going to, uh see

0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.799
<v Speaker 1>how much knowledge you have of the things in your

0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 1>case in a roundabout way, So are you ready to play? Yeah,

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:51.520
<v Speaker 1>let's do it all right, here we go. Question one

0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 1>in n Charles Fluger finally received a patent for his

0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Medalist fly reel after submitting the design two years earlier.

0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Since fly reels already existed, the granting of that patent

0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 1>meant that Flugger's reel was designated as unique and different

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:10.920
<v Speaker 1>from other reels out there. So which of the following

0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 1>was a key feature of the Metalists that earned Flugger

0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the patent? A? Did it have a real foot that

0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:22.400
<v Speaker 1>would universally fit on any brand of fly rod? Be

0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 1>a real handle that rotated around a post instead of

0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:30.360
<v Speaker 1>remaining static as you cranked. See A revolutionary paint finish

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 1>that inhibited rust? Or D an ornamental round line guide

0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 1>built into the frame. One of those things earned Flugger

0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the patent for the Medalist in nineteen thirty. You think

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:50.480
<v Speaker 1>on this, I don't I don't like it. I don't

0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:55.000
<v Speaker 1>like it at all? Was the finish? So you're going

0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:58.240
<v Speaker 1>with C it was a revolutionary paint finish that inhibited rust.

0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:03.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm going with that. Yes, that is incorrect. What the

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 1>answer is? D an ornamental round line guide built into

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the frame. I had no idea, but I was totally

0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 1>good because I had a I had a bunch of

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 1>friends that redid the click and Paul on the inside

0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:23.360
<v Speaker 1>with brass and things, because they were some of the

0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:26.440
<v Speaker 1>first saltwater reels that they actually had used, So I

0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:29.520
<v Speaker 1>thought maybe the finish on the outside was kind of

0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 1>a key feature to that. I thought long and hard

0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.680
<v Speaker 1>about the fake answers in that, so good on me.

0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:37.520
<v Speaker 1>But they changed in a nineteen fifty two. This is

0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:40.800
<v Speaker 1>according to the Internet, right, So they have the rectangular

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>line guides, and if you remember the old medalist like,

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:45.640
<v Speaker 1>now that line guide is built into the frame, those

0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 1>were screwed in as a separate piece. Uh, as I

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 1>read it. As it turns out, the round line guide

0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 1>went away because it actually proved inefficient because more people

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:59.520
<v Speaker 1>started chasing bigger stuff than trout didn't lay line as

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>nice as a long rectangular guide. So point being with

0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 1>that for all you dirt mall and and flea market

0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:11.120
<v Speaker 1>people like me and I think tim on occasion like, yeah,

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:15.600
<v Speaker 1>medalists are a dime a dozen, right, But you see

0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:19.240
<v Speaker 1>one with the round line guide for two bucks in

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 1>somebody's box of wares, by that because that is the

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:27.279
<v Speaker 1>valuable one that'll get you on antiques road show every time.

0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:32.160
<v Speaker 1>There you go exactly. Okay, So moving on to question two. Uh,

0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:34.640
<v Speaker 1>here's another thing I learned about you that I love you.

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Um you have an ability to reference obscure, weird movies.

0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 1>And here's how this came about. During the shoot, we

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 1>were cutting up fish with the bench made meat crafter

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:48.440
<v Speaker 1>boning knife that the meat eater made there and the

0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:51.839
<v Speaker 1>entire crew was talking about this knife, and your contribution

0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:55.520
<v Speaker 1>was I want the knife. And I was like, did

0:55:55.600 --> 0:56:00.680
<v Speaker 1>he just drop a reference is Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy.

0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I did, and I was like, holy sh it, we

0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:08.200
<v Speaker 1>can hang. So I got you. You are at least

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:11.759
<v Speaker 1>somewhat well versed in weird and or forgotten movies. And

0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:15.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna change up the format of this question a

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:17.880
<v Speaker 1>little bit. Here. I'm gonna give you a chance to

0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:21.480
<v Speaker 1>answer without the multiple choice, And if you can get

0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:24.239
<v Speaker 1>this without needing a list of answers, you will not

0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:27.680
<v Speaker 1>only win the nothing that's already up for grabs, but

0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:30.319
<v Speaker 1>I will double the nothing and toss in a one

0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:33.920
<v Speaker 1>year subscription to the Nothing. If you can hit this

0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 1>without needing multiple choice, I'm counting on you, man, Like

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I like, we're kindred spirits here, So here we Go okay,

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:45.560
<v Speaker 1>in which film is the excuse for a destroyed living

0:56:45.640 --> 0:56:48.920
<v Speaker 1>room that one of the main characters was attempting to

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:53.520
<v Speaker 1>free the mounted mahi mahi hanging on the wall. Oh

0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:58.719
<v Speaker 1>my god, I don't know, Tim. Please know that we're

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:04.040
<v Speaker 1>already like brothers. There was not What about Bob? No? No,

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:09.840
<v Speaker 1>But without answering Miles, do you know it? Sadly? No? Oh,

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you're you're on an island. I quit all right, I'll

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 1>give you the multiple choice. Then was it a the

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:20.919
<v Speaker 1>son in law? Be in sin? No? Man? See Biodome?

0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 1>D The Godfather Part two? Now I know? Was it

0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 1>for the first one? Was it father in law? No?

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 1>The son in law? Have you never seen Biodome? I've never, Dude,

0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 1>we talked about biodome and I've not seen Biodome. You

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:47.880
<v Speaker 1>need to go to Blockbuster tonight. It features one of

0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.040
<v Speaker 1>my favorite quotes of all times. What do you boys

0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:52.240
<v Speaker 1>want out? Alive? To die and come back as a leotard?

0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:57.720
<v Speaker 1>I promise you, Joe. That is on my That's on

0:57:57.760 --> 0:58:00.120
<v Speaker 1>my movie list tonight. It is an exceptional cinema And

0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the next time I see you, we better be able

0:58:01.960 --> 0:58:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to go back and forth on the biodome. I feel

0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:15.720
<v Speaker 1>so left out on that one. Damn it. We are

0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.080
<v Speaker 1>about out of time here on Bent, which brings us

0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:20.400
<v Speaker 1>to our end of the line segment where we run

0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 1>down a lure or fly or bait we think you

0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:26.440
<v Speaker 1>need to know about or just know more about, because

0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>we said so. Damn right. Yeah, it's like parenting. This week,

0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Joe is going to try and support a claim that

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 1>wiggily rubber beats wavy hair when considering criteria to determine

0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 1>the most versatile lure ever made. You'd be the judge. Well,

0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:52.840
<v Speaker 1>that's not allowed enough. Burt. Way back in I penned

0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:57.480
<v Speaker 1>an article that made a fairly ballsy claim for generations,

0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:00.200
<v Speaker 1>the plain white bucktail jake has been largely hit old

0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:04.000
<v Speaker 1>as the most versatile lore ever made. Matter of fact,

0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:07.520
<v Speaker 1>white bucktails were once included in the ditch bag of

0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:10.640
<v Speaker 1>every naval airman and rumored to be part of survival

0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:14.200
<v Speaker 1>kits within other branches of the military. Now, I certainly

0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:17.800
<v Speaker 1>can't take anything away from the bucktail or its versatility,

0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:20.600
<v Speaker 1>but what I wrote was that there wasn't much that

0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>could challenge that versatility until two thousand and two. That's

0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:29.360
<v Speaker 1>the year that storm gave the world the Wild Eye swimshad.

0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:33.680
<v Speaker 1>To understand the power and the glory and the ingenuity

0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of the wild Eye swimshad, which most people just referred

0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:40.120
<v Speaker 1>to as storm shads or Stormy's, one must examine the

0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:43.160
<v Speaker 1>swim bait market in two thousand two and the years

0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:46.760
<v Speaker 1>just prior. Okay, at that point in history, there were

0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:50.880
<v Speaker 1>really only two swim bait options for consumers. You either

0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:54.040
<v Speaker 1>paid a hefty price for custom swim baits, mostly coming

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:57.360
<v Speaker 1>out of California, or you bought the cheap rubber ones

0:59:57.400 --> 1:00:00.080
<v Speaker 1>that were pretty stiff and rigid and needed a he

1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:03.640
<v Speaker 1>rigged on a jighead for proper delivery. Now years ago,

1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I chatted with Steve Gibson, a product engineer at Storm,

1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and he explained that the wild Eyes sort of split

1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the difference. They came pre rigged with an internal jighead,

1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:15.720
<v Speaker 1>which meant anglers of any skill level could just tie

1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:19.280
<v Speaker 1>one on and cast away. Unlike many cheaper swim baits

1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:21.720
<v Speaker 1>of that era that were solid colors or two tone

1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:25.920
<v Speaker 1>at best, Storm created life like patterns with foil inserts,

1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:28.920
<v Speaker 1>more akin to the custom stuff that the Callie boys

1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:32.600
<v Speaker 1>were doing. But perhaps most critical was that a bag

1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:36.640
<v Speaker 1>of stormies did not break the bank. They were affordable

1:00:36.760 --> 1:00:40.760
<v Speaker 1>to all aesthetics and cost the side though. The storm

1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:44.600
<v Speaker 1>chad just playing cough fish, lots of fish, and in

1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:47.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty much any type of water you wanted to throw

1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:51.000
<v Speaker 1>one in. And I still genuinely remember the first pack

1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:54.520
<v Speaker 1>of five inch storm shad I ever bought, mullet pattern

1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:57.960
<v Speaker 1>to be exact, which is still my favorite today, and

1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I grabbed them at the Fisherman's Supply in Point Pleasant,

1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:05.120
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey before hitting a local jetty and positively crushed

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<v Speaker 1>stripers that evening high hopping a storm shad off the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom in the inlet as the tide flushed out. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Gibson told me he truly realized the potential of the

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<v Speaker 1>storm shad in those early days when he started getting

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<v Speaker 1>calls about people using three inch freshwater models to tangle

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<v Speaker 1>with massive tarpin. And not long after the storm shads released,

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<v Speaker 1>they were in pretty much every big box and mom

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<v Speaker 1>and pop tackle shop in the country. If you just

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<v Speaker 1>cast and reel a storm, you'll catch fish. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>almost nothing you can't do with this lore hop it

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<v Speaker 1>crawl at jig at hell in times of extreme desperation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll admit I've even trolled one, and as long as

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<v Speaker 1>that paddle tail is thumping, you're in the game. Though

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<v Speaker 1>I may not have to catch fish to survive, I

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<v Speaker 1>do feel stranded and very afraid if I'm fishing without

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<v Speaker 1>some storm he's on hand, particularly in salt what from

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<v Speaker 1>the Louisiana redfish backcountry to the stripers surf of the

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<v Speaker 1>Northeast to the oil rigs of the golf storm shads

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<v Speaker 1>have saved me from lots of skunkings and in many

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<v Speaker 1>cases just proved to be more effective than the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the loures we were chucking. Now. Of course, one

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<v Speaker 1>could argue that a storm shat is even less durable

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<v Speaker 1>than a plain white bucktail, which is accurate. So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>if you were genuinely going to wind up stranded on

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<v Speaker 1>an island, okay, you'd want that bucktail in that situation. Personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I would rather have a metal Hopkins or cast master.

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<v Speaker 1>That's even harder for barracudas and such to mangle. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll save that argument for another end of the line.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's it for this week. You now know where

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<v Speaker 1>to find drinking paradise if you can tie delicate may

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<v Speaker 1>flies while listening to Raining Blood, how to ruin a

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<v Speaker 1>warm Christmas greeting with a large mouth bass and the

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Rosenbauer, the Great Tom rosen Power drowns his fishing

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<v Speaker 1>sorrows in week Margarita's as per usual. We'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>remind you, guys to keep those bar nominations, comments, criticism,

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<v Speaker 1>questions for lance, awkward photos, and sale been items coming

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<v Speaker 1>to bent at the meat eator dot com. Just reading,

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<v Speaker 1>just listening to that, like we just keep adding things

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<v Speaker 1>we want. Pretty soon it will be send your social

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<v Speaker 1>Security number, copy of your passport. I'm kidding, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do love hearing from you guys very very much.

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<v Speaker 1>We do, we do, and we hope you're getting out

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<v Speaker 1>to fish this weekend, not binging poly shore movies. And

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<v Speaker 1>remember keep only what you intend to eat and as

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of it, free might em free my

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<v Speaker 1>emight I if you will