Speaker 1: Big cutty on a stone fly. My ass, you're pulling
Speaker 1: the maps behind an RC cigarette boat. W t F.
Speaker 1: How can you screw up with fish taco? But it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Like I am who I am and I
Speaker 1: come from where I come from. Those are not sandals. MG.
Speaker 1: Are you Dan W from Fishing Adventtions with Dan w?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to
Speaker 1: Bent the Fishing podcast with as much nutritional value as
Speaker 1: Ecto cooler. I'm Joe Surmelli A Miles Nulty and I
Speaker 1: really have not thought about an Ecto cooler since I
Speaker 1: was in Coventry school. I'm serious, Like that is you
Speaker 1: dusted off some old memories with that. Was it like
Speaker 1: just capri Son with Ghostbusters packaging? Yeah, that's all it was.
Speaker 1: It was a high sea product. It was delicious, Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: There's probably a million of reasons why that's like not
Speaker 1: FDA approved for kids now, but if they still made
Speaker 1: it out by it, I liked it and they paid,
Speaker 1: you know, they paid perfectly. With lunchables. You and I
Speaker 1: were of the air when when lunchables were revolutionary, a
Speaker 1: special treat you know, remember having when having a lunchable
Speaker 1: made you a cool kid? Did you get lunchables? No? God, no,
Speaker 1: my my. I did not have the mom that was
Speaker 1: gonna give me lunchables, just like I'm making you a sandwich.
Speaker 1: There's want lunchables? I got, I got, can't. I've also
Speaker 1: ended up fishing and destination so disconnected that lunchables were
Speaker 1: the only logical thing to buy, Like the one gas
Speaker 1: station in town, and then it comes from from deep
Speaker 1: South Texas and we ate him for four days straight. Anyway,
Speaker 1: these days, luckily, it's no longer slimy rounds of mystery
Speaker 1: turkey that fuels us, though, is it? That's true? Grown
Speaker 1: Up Miles and Joe, as well as this podcast are
Speaker 1: fueled entirely by Black Rifle Coffee. There's absolutely nothing mysterious
Speaker 1: about their premium blends, and there's no strange mouth feel
Speaker 1: associated with enjoying a steaming up of their a K
Speaker 1: Espresso or Silencer Smooth. Agreed. Agreed. And if you want
Speaker 1: to join the new cool kids club that doesn't require
Speaker 1: you to buy lunchables, you guys should head over to
Speaker 1: Black Rifle Coffee dot com backslash meat Eater and get
Speaker 1: set up with their subscription service, or just go ahead
Speaker 1: and buy lots of bags, and when you're doing that,
Speaker 1: drop the promo code meat Eater to get off your
Speaker 1: first order. So we actually do get to be part
Speaker 1: of the cool kids club today, just in a in
Speaker 1: a very different capacity. I mean, alright, well, let's put
Speaker 1: it away. I feel like a cool kid today because
Speaker 1: we got the legendary and highly respected Tom Rosenbauer of
Speaker 1: Orvis to agree to hang out with us here at Bent,
Speaker 1: which is strange and amazing. I feel like a cool
Speaker 1: kid because of that. And you and I have both
Speaker 1: known Tom for years, and I still feel like a
Speaker 1: cool kid when Tom's like, all right, I'll hang out
Speaker 1: with you for a while. You know. But but he's
Speaker 1: such a good dude, and he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that just exudes ang to acknowledge, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's written so many books and he's constantly doing live
Speaker 1: tying sessions and answering questions. But rather than you know,
Speaker 1: harness that wealth of knowledge to make you better anglers,
Speaker 1: we basically just asked Tom to trash somebody. Is the plan?
Speaker 1: Pretty much, opportunity squandered. Pretty much. We're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: reverse the polarity of our Smooth Moves segment this week,
Speaker 1: and instead of letting a guide or captain rant about
Speaker 1: stupid things clients have done, We're letting Tom Phillis in
Speaker 1: on the worst guide he's ever fished with. Why Why
Speaker 1: So we're gonna do something a little different on Smooth
Speaker 1: Moves this week. Very happy to have a very esteemed
Speaker 1: guest with us here, Mr Tom Rosenbauer, friend of mine
Speaker 1: and Miles of ORBS fame. How are you, sir? Hey Joe, Hey, Miles,
Speaker 1: how you doing. We're great to see you, man, Yes, man,
Speaker 1: and appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule.
Speaker 1: Well I'm not that busy. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Come on, you're gonna make it sound like you're working harder.
Speaker 1: I'll sell yourself out. You have, you have tying videos
Speaker 1: to make and for the yeah, for the legions of fans.
Speaker 1: But anyway, normally on Smooth Moves we have a captain
Speaker 1: or a guide on here venting about some ridiculous thing
Speaker 1: a client has done over the years, and we figure
Speaker 1: this is a good opportunity to sort of reverse roles
Speaker 1: a bit, because you are a well traveled man you
Speaker 1: have fly fished all over the world, fished with tons
Speaker 1: of guides. So today we're gonna flip the coin and
Speaker 1: give you a chance to tell us about the worst
Speaker 1: guide that you ever fish with. The worst guide story.
Speaker 1: So you have the Mike Tom all right. You know
Speaker 1: it's a really hard one because you've been in the
Speaker 1: industry as long as I have you, you get heads
Speaker 1: up about bad guides, and you know, typically, um, I
Speaker 1: get I get good guys. I mean it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to remember a really bad guide. Um Uh, they're
Speaker 1: so much nicer than me. Yeah, I mean, I really,
Speaker 1: I mean guys are I mean, guys, these days are
Speaker 1: so great. Um, I think the most disappointing guide trip
Speaker 1: I've ever had John Combs, John Combs orvis Um Rod
Speaker 1: and real designer who's one of my favorite fishing buddies.
Speaker 1: That I were down to Florida for the BTT Symposium
Speaker 1: and we got a day with a with a guide
Speaker 1: out of Miami, and so we showed up at the
Speaker 1: dock at you know, like eight thirty, which to me
Speaker 1: is you know, half the day's gone. It's gonna say
Speaker 1: it sounds kind of late. Yeah, And I in fish
Speaker 1: Fish game Bay in a long time. He took us
Speaker 1: out there and it was kind of windy and rainy,
Speaker 1: and he said, uh, do you mind if I were
Speaker 1: looking for both fishing permit? He said, you know, I
Speaker 1: think we should chum today. And I said, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it'd be kind of fun. You know. Nordinarily I'd say no,
Speaker 1: but it was miserable day, and you know, just let's
Speaker 1: have some fun. Let's chump and see what comes up.
Speaker 1: And I think Shaun and I caught a couple of
Speaker 1: puffer fish. That was it. We started to see who
Speaker 1: catch the most puffer fish and then that was over
Speaker 1: and he said, boy, it's getting windy out here, and
Speaker 1: we said yeah, yes sort of. He said, that's fishing
Speaker 1: is gonna be very good. And Sean and I you know,
Speaker 1: we we love to fish. We fish hard. I said, well,
Speaker 1: you need places with some lady fish, you know, or
Speaker 1: something we could throw to the late I like lady Yeah,
Speaker 1: going to Harvard and throw some lady fish. And we
Speaker 1: went and we caught a couple of lady fish and
Speaker 1: it was about eleven thirty and he said, well, do
Speaker 1: you think it's time to call it? And neither Shaan
Speaker 1: nor I said a war or we just kind of
Speaker 1: looked at each other and said, w t F. What
Speaker 1: are we going to do for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: Put in a whole three hours of guiding there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he took us in and and we asked
Speaker 1: him for a restaurant recommendation where we were staying, and
Speaker 1: so he gave us a restaurant recommendation which was very
Speaker 1: close to the hotel we were staying at. And just
Speaker 1: to top it off, this was and I'm not that
Speaker 1: fussy about restaurants, this was the worst restaurant. How can
Speaker 1: you screw up a fish taco? And I had I had,
Speaker 1: I had like four margarite is and I swear none
Speaker 1: of them had in the alcohol in it. I kept
Speaker 1: to hope that I'd get a little bit of tequila
Speaker 1: in it. Um. Yeah, So but I have to ask, No,
Speaker 1: did he know who you were, like, who you guys were,
Speaker 1: and who you were with and what you do he
Speaker 1: was an order guide? Oh no, not any of my doing.
Speaker 1: But he's no longer person. So I'm compelled to ask, man,
Speaker 1: when you were guiding, were you one of those dudes
Speaker 1: that was really hard line about time? Like not that
Speaker 1: I've been on many half day trips, and even though
Speaker 1: I understand that you get what you pay for, it's
Speaker 1: always bothered me a little when it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're done, even if the action was fire like, no
Speaker 1: matter what, you know that dude is back to the
Speaker 1: dock by two pm, not to fIF not to two
Speaker 1: pm on the nose, you know, I mean the length
Speaker 1: I will here's what I'll say. The lengths of guide days,
Speaker 1: at least for me and a lot of people I know,
Speaker 1: correlate with how enjoyable the clients are to be with.
Speaker 1: Let's just put it back, like if if I was
Speaker 1: dealing with super obnoxious people who just you know, the
Speaker 1: hours felt like minutes. We hit the ramp at five
Speaker 1: pm at the latest, it was like we're done. Uh.
Speaker 1: But you know, if I was enjoying, like if I
Speaker 1: was having a good time fishing with whomever was in
Speaker 1: my boat and we're enjoying our time together, we just
Speaker 1: fish and we got back. When we got back, you know,
Speaker 1: it might be dark if fishing was good. That that's
Speaker 1: how I always ran it well, and that's the way
Speaker 1: to play it. I think that's fair. You were one
Speaker 1: of the good ones, and I know a lot of
Speaker 1: that's that's what a lot of guys do, which should
Speaker 1: be motivation to not be one of the smooth moves
Speaker 1: people like. The story should not be about you, right,
Speaker 1: be cool to your guide. And I'm also sure, unlike
Speaker 1: Tom's guide, you could also recommended damn Good Bar. In fact,
Speaker 1: I know you could have more than one. And you
Speaker 1: know who else can recommended damn good Bar. You folks
Speaker 1: at home are dozens of listeners, and we have a
Speaker 1: ringer this week, not even kidding around. Here comes one
Speaker 1: hell of a thrashing nomination for That's My Bar, Best
Speaker 1: God Damn Bar tender from Kim buck to to Portland's
Speaker 1: Maine Portland argument for that matter, Today's That's My Bar
Speaker 1: Submissi and comes to us from Nick Silva, and I
Speaker 1: gotta say Nick must have had one hell of a
Speaker 1: freshman English teacher, because he seems to have learned rule
Speaker 1: number one for effective writing. Know your audience. Listeners to
Speaker 1: this podcast have probably picked up on the fact that
Speaker 1: both Joe and I are children of the nineties, with
Speaker 1: particular sauce spots for metal, punk and hardcore bands from
Speaker 1: that era. Nick clearly picked up on that, which is
Speaker 1: why he knew that he had to send this submission
Speaker 1: for June Lake Brewing. Yeah, I'll just jump in before
Speaker 1: you get to the description, like this one comes with
Speaker 1: whip lash, like the kind of whip lash that a
Speaker 1: lot of us haven't had in fifteen twenty years. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it inspired me to kick out some old jams.
Speaker 1: And now my neck hurts, so ah, can't turn your
Speaker 1: head left it right anymore? Exactly? All right here it is,
Speaker 1: here's what Nick sent us. Located in June Lake, California,
Speaker 1: this brewery is the beer hub of the eastern Sierra Nevadas.
Speaker 1: Everyone from back country years to the old fishing guides
Speaker 1: telling stories about the twenty one pound brown trout and
Speaker 1: silver lake are mingling at the bar. If you show
Speaker 1: up around opening, the server would usually have an Alpine
Speaker 1: lake fly report for you. He starts his day with
Speaker 1: a twelve mile round trip hike up the mountain to fish,
Speaker 1: followed by beer shots for whoever is at the brewery
Speaker 1: when they open. Most days they have a rad Slayer
Speaker 1: playlist going on. Visit the restroom to check out. The
Speaker 1: employees must carve Slayer into forearms before returning to work. Sticker,
Speaker 1: It's so brilliant. Uh, Nick close out of the email
Speaker 1: with a photo of that sticker and uh and if
Speaker 1: you want to see it for yourself, which which you
Speaker 1: should go to either Joe's or my Instagram accounts. That's
Speaker 1: at Joe dot Sir Meli one and at water Miles, respectively.
Speaker 1: And if anybody knows where to purchase that sticker or
Speaker 1: how even better yet, because sticker shouldn't be purchased, they
Speaker 1: should be free how miles and I can get one
Speaker 1: of those for free, I would just I would just
Speaker 1: love to have that because it's like I've always I've
Speaker 1: been saying it for years. Nothing goes with alpine fly
Speaker 1: fishing like war ensemble cranked up to its Two things
Speaker 1: don't belong in the same sentence. But that's why this
Speaker 1: plays is so great. And I gotta say to the
Speaker 1: the to the brewery owner, UM good for that he
Speaker 1: can drink as much beer as he wants, because if
Speaker 1: he's hiking twelve miles a day to fish alpine trout,
Speaker 1: he can do all the taste. Like he's not couch tripping,
Speaker 1: so it's not gonna make him fat. Like that's that's terrific.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Man like even if it weren't for
Speaker 1: the metal band references, which which clearly I appreciated this,
Speaker 1: this one would be able to make a strong case
Speaker 1: for a near perfect bar for me. Fresh brewed beer,
Speaker 1: check backcountry skiing and skiers, check fishing guides my people.
Speaker 1: Check a bartender who fishes alpine lakes in the morning
Speaker 1: and gives beer shots in the afternoon. Done. This one
Speaker 1: is like top of my list right now. It'd be
Speaker 1: worth flying out there just just to feel like I
Speaker 1: belong for the first time, and because I just it
Speaker 1: just takes me back to my bar hopping days, with
Speaker 1: the digital jukeboxes where you put your money in but
Speaker 1: the que could be backed up so you might not
Speaker 1: hear your songs for a while. Me and my boys
Speaker 1: would be in these bars, would be like bit in
Speaker 1: the jams and then I kicking the wheel in the
Speaker 1: sky and an hour later Angel of Death would just
Speaker 1: drop in. But the bartenders could manipulate those digital jukeboxes,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how many times a bartender would
Speaker 1: be like nope, Like the whole bar would be like,
Speaker 1: come on, so this is this, this is where I belong,
Speaker 1: This is where we belong. But listen, Nick fabulous submission.
Speaker 1: You guys have been doing a tell of a job
Speaker 1: sending this bar nominations and we appreciate them very very much.
Speaker 1: Please keep them coming so we could nominate your favorite
Speaker 1: fishy watering holes. Send those two bent at the meat
Speaker 1: eater dot com. Have you ever been to a Slayer show?
Speaker 1: Sadly no Pantera. Yes, huh see, I've been to a few.
Speaker 1: In terms of mosh pits and just general audience aggression,
Speaker 1: I found the Slayer shows to be completely brutal, and
Speaker 1: that's I'm jealous of you. I did not know you
Speaker 1: had seen Pantera because I never got to see Pantera.
Speaker 1: But I've heard that a Pantera show was just the
Speaker 1: next level of brutal. What it made Slayer look like
Speaker 1: romper Room, But unfortunately I never got to see him live.
Speaker 1: Chaos Man pure cast I saw. I saw Pantera on
Speaker 1: the Vulgar Display of Power Tour. Yeah. I heard it
Speaker 1: was like scary, Like even if you were a hardass
Speaker 1: metal dude, you're like Panters that there there there ship's scary.
Speaker 1: It was. It was next level, like there were no rules.
Speaker 1: You could if you could get to the front, you
Speaker 1: could climb up on stage and stage dive like whatever
Speaker 1: whatever you were brave enough to do was legit. It
Speaker 1: was the most brutal mosh scene of all time. But
Speaker 1: you know what else is brutal? I have a feeling
Speaker 1: I do know. Tell me Lance V. That's what's brutal.
Speaker 1: But as brutal as I find his name Jabber to be.
Speaker 1: We just keep kidding these questions and feedback about the guy.
Speaker 1: The topic he's covering this week in Trolling with Lance
Speaker 1: does at least show that he has a human side.
Speaker 1: I mean, his heart may look like those autopsy pictures
Speaker 1: of Smoker's lungs, but at least he has one and
Speaker 1: we know that now. So here's a tender, somewhat lifetime
Speaker 1: made for TV movie moment on how Lance deals with
Speaker 1: the price of fame, the land, to the boats, to
Speaker 1: the like, to the seating up the n on net,
Speaker 1: but the boy lands, Oh lot, peradadors. It's me, your buddy, Lance,
Speaker 1: be here to cancel you on your journey to Internet fishing.
Speaker 1: Start um. We've been getting a ton of questions from you, guys,
Speaker 1: many of whish made me feel so bad for you
Speaker 1: that I shot Monster Rehab out of my nose from
Speaker 1: laughing hysterically, But since I consider myself a faith he er,
Speaker 1: I shall not judge. Keep those questions coming to Bent
Speaker 1: at the Mediator dot com. This week's question comes from
Speaker 1: Dan W, who writes that douchebag online fishing trol y'all
Speaker 1: put on was horrible. Please never do that again, though,
Speaker 1: I'm wondering how he handles getting recognized on the water.
Speaker 1: As my YouTube channel is nearing a hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: nine subscribers, this is a concern I have for myself.
Speaker 1: A terrific question, Dan. Part of being a successful internet
Speaker 1: angler is giving the impression you only fish where the
Speaker 1: common folk don't. At this point in my career, Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones couldn't figure out where the guy fish. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna assume you're still fishing the parking lot of the
Speaker 1: same county puddle you've gone to for your entire life.
Speaker 1: So here's what to do when a fan approaches you
Speaker 1: and says, O, MG, are you Dan W from Fishing
Speaker 1: Adventures with Dan W. Oh my god, I can't believe
Speaker 1: you fish? Are you say? I don't really fish here.
Speaker 1: I'm just field testing a new lure or rod. Decide
Speaker 1: if it's worth taking the brand on as a sponsor,
Speaker 1: and this toilet bowl happened to be on the way
Speaker 1: to the airport hashtag business class. Or you can go
Speaker 1: to the nostalgic route and say I used to fish
Speaker 1: here when I was a kid. We used to catch
Speaker 1: seven pound hogs left and right. But I see this
Speaker 1: place has gone to total ship. I just swung in
Speaker 1: because I have time to kill before the new lexus
Speaker 1: I bought. My mom gets a liver to her house
Speaker 1: hashtag where do your mother? In either case, the objective
Speaker 1: is to make the fan understand you're actually too good
Speaker 1: to be fishing this spot, thereby inferring he or she
Speaker 1: is a complete loser. I hope this was helpful, Dan
Speaker 1: and allows you to reclaim the serenity you seek instead
Speaker 1: of constantly feeling like the guy who played the liquid
Speaker 1: Terminator walking around comic Con. Hashtag shoot for the moon.
Speaker 1: If you miss, you'll land among the stars. Hashtag that
Speaker 1: was terrible advice. Hashtag I can't believe we're contractually obligated
Speaker 1: to have him on the show. Hashtag looks forget that
Speaker 1: just happened, and move on to fish news right now.
Speaker 1: Fish news that escalated quickly, so I want to kick
Speaker 1: this off with a few fan shout outs. Not long
Speaker 1: ago I covered a little news piece on the famed
Speaker 1: mullet toss in Florida, where drunk people throw dead bait
Speaker 1: fish cross state lines, and Miles and I had questions
Speaker 1: in particularly what were the rules for for throwing and
Speaker 1: can you say craft a slingshot or trebor sche perhaps
Speaker 1: and as predicted you find people provided the answer. Frank
Speaker 1: Williams wrote in to say, you have to throw it,
Speaker 1: but you can throw it however you feel. However you
Speaker 1: feel it never feels right to you whatever that fish
Speaker 1: speaks to you and says, throw me like this exactly.
Speaker 1: And he says there's a board at the at the
Speaker 1: mullet toss demonstrating the most common ways. I could not
Speaker 1: find that, but did learn it cost fifteen bucks to
Speaker 1: throw them. Allett pop, which begs more questions byd was
Speaker 1: gonna I was gonna say, which begs more questions like
Speaker 1: what if I bring my own mullet comedy and exactly,
Speaker 1: And and then follow that up, we got a note
Speaker 1: from Grant Russell in Australia, so that's now pushing like
Speaker 1: half dozen Australian fans and you wrote, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be one of those one upsman kind of guys,
Speaker 1: but I thought i'd bring your attention to the tuna
Speaker 1: tossing event at the Tuna Rama Festival in Port Lincoln, Australia,
Speaker 1: because the Aussies are just more manly than Yes, I
Speaker 1: said you would level it up thesses. But apparently Grant
Speaker 1: says they held a fake tune of these days, weighing
Speaker 1: twenty two pounds, real tuna are no longer being thrown, imagine,
Speaker 1: much to the delight of the seafood buyers from Japan
Speaker 1: who have stood outside protesting the event for decades, hundreds
Speaker 1: of signs saying please save the tune of parentheses for us. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So let's get into news and remember, kids, this is
Speaker 1: a competition. Miles and I do not know which stories
Speaker 1: the other dude has and are awesome. Engineer Phil will
Speaker 1: declare a news victor at the end. And now I'm
Speaker 1: scared because for the first time last week we overlapped,
Speaker 1: we crossed stories and I crushed you. Yes you did,
Speaker 1: and it was traumatic all around. It was it was
Speaker 1: kind of an awkward moment I was bound to happen.
Speaker 1: It took twelve episodes, but now I'm on edge, especially
Speaker 1: considering I'm kicking off with a story out of Montana. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you got the leadoff man, You're you're, you're, You're
Speaker 1: sitting pretty on this one, I know. But do you
Speaker 1: have a story out of Montana? I'm not telling you.
Speaker 1: I feel I feel good about my record of overlap
Speaker 1: right now, so I'm just gonna hold tight with that one.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough. So um. This is from the
Speaker 1: website of the Helena Independent Record headlold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on? How did you just pronounce our
Speaker 1: state capital Helena? There we go, all right, moving on,
Speaker 1: I said Helena, definitely not Helena anyway. From the website
Speaker 1: of the Helena Independent Record headline Montana proposes ban on
Speaker 1: fishing with drones and remote control boats. First of all,
Speaker 1: shame on you. Is this what you guys are doing
Speaker 1: out there? No big big cutty on a stone fly
Speaker 1: my ass. You're pulling the maps behind an RC cigarette
Speaker 1: boat and I've just outed all of you. Finally, I
Speaker 1: wish I could be that cool. No. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: am very glad. So I'm aware of this, this this passage,
Speaker 1: and I'm very happy about it for the record, like
Speaker 1: we can, we can riff on it and make jokes,
Speaker 1: but uh, it's part of a broader sort of move
Speaker 1: that they're doing with Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks to
Speaker 1: outlaw drones for fishing, hunting, all kinds of stuff, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all for it. Oh, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: an interesting back and forth then, because I have I
Speaker 1: have a slightly different take, and this is why we
Speaker 1: work well together. So from the story, the state of
Speaker 1: Montana is asking the public to weigh in on whether
Speaker 1: drones and remote control boats should be banned for fishing,
Speaker 1: and the Montana Fish and Wildlife Commission recently advanced for
Speaker 1: public comment a proposal prohibiting the use of drones and
Speaker 1: r C boats to place bait or lures, troll or
Speaker 1: hook and land fish. The proposal also bars using the
Speaker 1: devices to search for fish that are then cast two
Speaker 1: with a rotten reel. So apparently game wardens in your
Speaker 1: state have been getting more and more questions regarding the
Speaker 1: legality of drones in our C boats for fishing. Now, Interestingly,
Speaker 1: the story makes it sound to me like this is
Speaker 1: a pretty sporadic occurrence in Montana, Like it's not happening
Speaker 1: that much. However, thanks to YouTube, the methods overall are
Speaker 1: growing in popularity because there's a you know, a bunch
Speaker 1: of Yahoo's out there doing this and putting it on video. Uh.
Speaker 1: But the issue is that this is sort of like
Speaker 1: a gray area within the law. This is from the
Speaker 1: story again. In general, laws and regulations contain specific prohibitions
Speaker 1: against the use of guns, traps, or quote, other devices.
Speaker 1: But anglers routinely used devices such as down riggers right
Speaker 1: to place their baits or lures, and an argument could
Speaker 1: be made that the drones or remote control boats perform
Speaker 1: a similar function. Uh. And this was given to go ahead,
Speaker 1: to be open to public comment and possibly leading to
Speaker 1: a a public hearing. And um, you know some supporters,
Speaker 1: as you've already hinted at, are saying, well, we have
Speaker 1: drones outlawed for hunt, which I understand that's kind of
Speaker 1: cheating to scout a piece of land or something. In
Speaker 1: hunting they need to do it in fair fair, but
Speaker 1: they need to do it in fishing to just for
Speaker 1: consistency sake, Like, if we're gonna outlaw that in hunting,
Speaker 1: the outlaw that and fishing. And then um, Clayton Elliott
Speaker 1: of Montana Trot Unlimited. He's a fan of the public
Speaker 1: comment because he believes it's just important to quote search
Speaker 1: and find the nexus between angling tactics and our mission
Speaker 1: to preserve and protect cold water fisheries. So here are
Speaker 1: a few thoughts, and this is where we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a little fun. Uh. First of all, the euro carpet
Speaker 1: dudes have been using RC boats to run baits and
Speaker 1: and drop bait piles in their swims for years. That's
Speaker 1: actually not new or a gimmick. Those boats have actually
Speaker 1: become adopted as legit tackle in that game. Like you know,
Speaker 1: some guys can only afford the sling shot. The real
Speaker 1: dudes get the remote control boat to send their their
Speaker 1: their wad of boats a flying right. Um. But personally
Speaker 1: see and generally speaking, I find this a little little hypocritical.
Speaker 1: And hear me out right. I will never fish with
Speaker 1: a drone. I will never drag the maps behind a
Speaker 1: little boat. Neither will you. But in my opinion, like,
Speaker 1: if that's how you get your jollys, have at it.
Speaker 1: And I say it's hypocritical because if we you want
Speaker 1: to ban small RC vehicles to what protect fish Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you've got forty boats putting in at the ramp that
Speaker 1: have side scanned down scan, auto down riggers, I pilot
Speaker 1: spot lock, and real time bottom mapping capability. So point being,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, if you want to ban technology to
Speaker 1: sort of preserve fisheries, like ban that ship. We we
Speaker 1: all complain about how much harder it is to catch
Speaker 1: fish nowadays, but like we've we've already given them nowhere
Speaker 1: to hide. So for me, like, it's not the dude
Speaker 1: with the Walmart boat or the radio shack making a
Speaker 1: YouTube video that concerns me, it's the guy who's got
Speaker 1: more tech than NASA on his ranger. You make a
Speaker 1: compelling argument, Joe, and uh, and my response is not
Speaker 1: gonna be based in logic. I'll just tell you that
Speaker 1: right now because because I can't argue with it. Like all,
Speaker 1: everything you just said is totally straight up spot on,
Speaker 1: but I still am opposed to it. And my argument
Speaker 1: has more to do with how I like. My argument
Speaker 1: has to do with not infringing upon other people's enjoyment
Speaker 1: of the outdoors. To me, drones flying around the river
Speaker 1: or the lake are annoying as hell has become somewhat
Speaker 1: popular on on on the trout rivers around here, guys
Speaker 1: will be on their guided trip, you know, and the
Speaker 1: guide's own and the guy dudes are fishing or ladies whomever.
Speaker 1: The anglers are fishing in the front the back, and
Speaker 1: they have their drone programmed to follow behind them down
Speaker 1: the river so that they don't miss any of their
Speaker 1: great fishing footage. And I find it just highly annoying.
Speaker 1: So for me, you're right, it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with like protecting the fisher. Conservation has to do with
Speaker 1: protecting my own sense of what I enjoy being outside
Speaker 1: and not wanting to hear the worrying of little blades
Speaker 1: all the time. And I see that totally, and I
Speaker 1: we are on the same page. It's funny because have
Speaker 1: done work where a drone is involved. It's like, when
Speaker 1: the drone is doing the work for you, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is sweet. But whenever you're out there and like
Speaker 1: a drone flies over you and you don't know where
Speaker 1: it comes from, I instantly want to like shoot it
Speaker 1: down with the shotgun. Yeah, I hate I really dislike it.
Speaker 1: But and and you make a valid point, but is
Speaker 1: that like now you're getting into the argument of do
Speaker 1: we just ban drones? I mean, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: especially like if you're talking about the dude with the
Speaker 1: follow me mode on the river he's not even using
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with nothing to fishing its
Speaker 1: later on. I would I mean, on a totally personal level,
Speaker 1: I would love that, but I recognize that there are
Speaker 1: reasons why it's not all about me. So I'm in
Speaker 1: favor of this legislation passing. We'll see if it actually does.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna protect fish the only way
Speaker 1: I could see it, and this is a totally minor
Speaker 1: use case, and I don't think it would have any
Speaker 1: impact at all. But just I hate the idea of
Speaker 1: someone sitting in their truck sending up a drone, running
Speaker 1: it up and down, being like, are the fish rising?
Speaker 1: Let me go check it out. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't actually want to walk or put in like
Speaker 1: the effort to go find them. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: I can think. And I don't think it would impact
Speaker 1: the fish or at all. It's just again purely for
Speaker 1: my own sense of moral superiority and judgment and for
Speaker 1: the record that dudes it showed and I hate that guy.
Speaker 1: But when you're looking at it from like a protection thing,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's hard to spin it in
Speaker 1: a like environmental concerns too, because there's a lot worse
Speaker 1: things that can end up on the bottom of a lake, river,
Speaker 1: ocean than a sunken drone or a toy boat, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, outboard fuel and oil and busted off lead.
Speaker 1: So I'm totally with you with the annoyance factor, and like,
Speaker 1: I hate that guy when I see that guy, but
Speaker 1: I just think it's too hard to skin is like this,
Speaker 1: this technology is too unfair for fishing. No, side scan
Speaker 1: sonar is too unfair for fishing. Yeah, no, again, I
Speaker 1: have no I have no qualms with your logic, and
Speaker 1: I won't conspute it. I won't, Okay, I'm gonna, however,
Speaker 1: stick with the theme of technology changing the way we've
Speaker 1: fish and changing fish, all right, So I think this
Speaker 1: one should be filed under the headline researchers write paper
Speaker 1: about phenomenon anglers have known for centuries, call it a
Speaker 1: discovery the Royal Society, which is a real name for
Speaker 1: an actual peer reviewed biology journal. I guessed, uh, I
Speaker 1: guess elitists quarterly was already taken just published a paper
Speaker 1: informing the world of some breaking news phish change their
Speaker 1: behavior in response to fishing pressure. You don't say, you
Speaker 1: don't say yep, okay, So that's not the interesting part
Speaker 1: of the story. You know that, I know that anyone
Speaker 1: who's ever walked past the TV while the fishing show
Speaker 1: was playing knows that we've thankfully moved on from the
Speaker 1: once common belief that fish memories only last for thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: That has been thoroughly debunked, and this new study continues
Speaker 1: to reinforce what everyone who's ever attempted to catch a
Speaker 1: fish in a popular spot already knows. But this study
Speaker 1: didn't actually focus on sport fishing. It looked at marine
Speaker 1: fish populations responses to modern commercial fishing practices, specifically, how
Speaker 1: some commercial fleets fly drones around the ocean until they
Speaker 1: locate large schools of fish, then drive boats right to
Speaker 1: them and wrap them all up in nets. It's it's
Speaker 1: an incredibly efficient method of harvest. Well, it seems that
Speaker 1: some marine fish populations are starting to adapt to this
Speaker 1: new predatory pressure. They're not schooling in the same ways
Speaker 1: that they have traditionally. The researchers noted fish populations splitting
Speaker 1: into smaller groups and more fish moving individually or in pairs,
Speaker 1: And I find this freaking fascinating. Yeah, me too, Right,
Speaker 1: fish have adapted their social behaviors in order to avoid
Speaker 1: getting eaten. Like that's that's one of the main functions
Speaker 1: of swimming in a school safety and numbers, right. But
Speaker 1: but with modern phishing methods, the fish that school are
Speaker 1: the ones getting scooped, And the researchers hypothesized that because
Speaker 1: this new form of human predation selects for fish that
Speaker 1: are less social, the individuals who are not inclined to
Speaker 1: school or favorite smaller schools are surviving and passing on
Speaker 1: their traits and behaviors to their offspring. Which, again, mind body,
Speaker 1: so cool. Do you realize that you've just done? Go ahead, finish?
Speaker 1: App Yeah, let me finish. The long term implications of
Speaker 1: this are totally unknown. Schooling fish developed the social traits
Speaker 1: over millions of years because they've worked. Not only are
Speaker 1: fishing schools better at avoiding their natural aquatic predators, but
Speaker 1: a separate study published last month in Nature Communications showed
Speaker 1: that fish swimming in a school expends significantly less energy
Speaker 1: because they can draft behind each other. So what might
Speaker 1: happen to these populations if phishing pressure changes their long
Speaker 1: evolved behaviors. We really don't know, And this could also
Speaker 1: be bad news for fishing industry, which is currently relying
Speaker 1: on those massive, highly visible fish schools to make their
Speaker 1: profit margins. So what you've just done here is you've
Speaker 1: given all like, I'll just relate it to to striper
Speaker 1: guys like I ain't seen a blitz since that's why.
Speaker 1: That's why right there, because they don't school up anymore now, dude,
Speaker 1: it is it is incredibly fascinating that we have hit
Speaker 1: the ocean so hard that we are changing schooling behavior. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we are in it's it's just like natural selection.
Speaker 1: To me geek out on that stuff. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: amazing to watch. But seeing how human predation behaviors, which
Speaker 1: are new predation behaviors the fish and never seen before,
Speaker 1: changing the way that fish live and act is I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's said, but it's also just
Speaker 1: really interesting. Well, and I think both of our stories
Speaker 1: so far like they tie together beautifully. Like we're talking
Speaker 1: about side scan and down scan. These guys are using
Speaker 1: drones to find is for commercial purposes, and even that
Speaker 1: a drone has made that job more efficient. Back in
Speaker 1: the day, like the day day, dude, the commercial fleets
Speaker 1: would hire pilots to go out there and and fly around.
Speaker 1: But now even that I always took it like, um,
Speaker 1: the operations that that really had their ship dialed had
Speaker 1: the money to have their spot or planes and all that.
Speaker 1: But still it was not everybody was doing that. Now
Speaker 1: every commercial fleet probably has a drone guy on it
Speaker 1: or that. That's just such a common thing and it's
Speaker 1: gotten so much easier to do that. It all ties together, man,
Speaker 1: It's it's it's those stories sort of go hand in
Speaker 1: hand because it's it's all about, like, is technology, both
Speaker 1: on the recreational and commercial side making us too efficient?
Speaker 1: Are we too efficient at what we can do now?
Speaker 1: I mean yes, but how do you stop right exactly exactly?
Speaker 1: You you don't stop that? And that's that's the frightening thing.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, anybody who's planned about not seeing the
Speaker 1: blitzing fish of any kind there you go blame the drones.
Speaker 1: All things come back. So I'll move it from schooling
Speaker 1: fish to very solitary fish. And what I classifies like
Speaker 1: a weekly World News style story. However, it's just from
Speaker 1: Yahoo dot com, which is essentially the same thing. Um
Speaker 1: headline Fisherman discovers ugly frowning human like fish colon quote
Speaker 1: it was looking at me. So this happened in Thailand
Speaker 1: and the and the story. The story says fisherman press
Speaker 1: sort Shookle caught the unidentified pail fish, which had massive
Speaker 1: human like lips and bulging blue eyes. To make matters
Speaker 1: even creepier, the creature appeared to have a shocked expression
Speaker 1: after it was captured. So this fish wade two point
Speaker 1: seven kilograms that six pounds in American numbers, and was
Speaker 1: forty two centimeters long that's seventeen inches in American numbers.
Speaker 1: Hugo said it was dead by the time he had
Speaker 1: returned to shore. So I'm gonna throw a shot at
Speaker 1: this up on my Instagram story today. But but basically,
Speaker 1: this is a squat fish that's all mouth. So picture
Speaker 1: an angler fish or a monk fish, if you know
Speaker 1: what those look like. It's similar to that huge mouth,
Speaker 1: small body. Now, this dude caught this weird fish in
Speaker 1: a crab trap, and homeboy says, I almost threw everything
Speaker 1: back into the water. When I saw the scary fish,
Speaker 1: it was looking at me and it had a face
Speaker 1: like an ugly frowning human. It had big lips but
Speaker 1: no teeth. Nobody knew what this creature was in our village,
Speaker 1: including the elders. I did not dare to cook it
Speaker 1: for myself or anybody else. So what the hell is it? Well?
Speaker 1: A local marine center visited Shukel to examine the fish,
Speaker 1: and they believe it could be a Pola Carriss fish.
Speaker 1: It would explain the horrifying expression Paula Harris bury their
Speaker 1: heads in the sand with their mouths open to catch
Speaker 1: tiny fish. But I instantly reckon now is this is
Speaker 1: something completely different? In fact, I researched Poula Carras fish
Speaker 1: and I got zero hits. Man like that seems to
Speaker 1: not exist. So either Yahoo has a typo or marine
Speaker 1: biologists in Thailand and have no idea what the hell
Speaker 1: they're talking. It looks to me instantly like a lighter,
Speaker 1: paler skin tone version of the Northern star gazer. But
Speaker 1: there are many kinds of star gazers all over the world,
Speaker 1: and they make up the Urano Scopaday families, and some
Speaker 1: of them can actually get up to forty inches long.
Speaker 1: And star gazers, no doubt, they're ugly and weird, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't really think it looks that much like
Speaker 1: a human. You've seen the shot like it does. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it right now. Yeah, it's frowning, but that
Speaker 1: that part sensationalized. But catching it in a crab trap
Speaker 1: makes sense because they do spend most of their time
Speaker 1: buried in the sand or mud and just their eyes
Speaker 1: are sticking out, so they don't move much. They don't
Speaker 1: they don't chase stuff. And I've caught a handful of
Speaker 1: Northern star gazers over the years, but it's rare, and
Speaker 1: it's always in the surf. When you're you're sitting on
Speaker 1: a chunk, you have a clam or cut baits sitting
Speaker 1: out there dead stick. Right. They don't fight. It's literally
Speaker 1: like reeling in a paper bag full of sand. But
Speaker 1: stargazers are both venomous and can give you an electric shock,
Speaker 1: no way, right, So they have spikes on their gilt
Speaker 1: gil plates that that will dose you up, and if
Speaker 1: you step on their head you get shocked. And I've
Speaker 1: gotten that shock and it is not pleasant. And while
Speaker 1: they don't have the wattage of like an electric eel right,
Speaker 1: it's one of those like spine tingling, I don't even know,
Speaker 1: like like pit of the stomach, bar feelings you get
Speaker 1: when you like stub your toe real bad and like
Speaker 1: break your toenail off. It's just like like as soon
Speaker 1: as it happens, you know, like you're just out there
Speaker 1: swimming with the kids, and you're like, ah, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it's just like so I've
Speaker 1: I've experienced that. And that's relevant to point out because
Speaker 1: Schooko gave the fish to the wildlife center fearing it
Speaker 1: could bring him bad luck. And I would have been
Speaker 1: more concerned about the venom in the electric shock than luck.
Speaker 1: But that's just me. So that's when we got there,
Speaker 1: shook smart move not starting. No. Actually I read that
Speaker 1: they are delicacy like the venom. Once you get away
Speaker 1: from the the venom is apparently neutralized. Uh if you
Speaker 1: cook them. I don't know anybody around here who eats them.
Speaker 1: You don't see them very much, but they are strange
Speaker 1: and the ones we have here are very starkly modeled,
Speaker 1: black and white. Actually a very interesting fish. I gotta
Speaker 1: give you a lot of credit on that story, Joe,
Speaker 1: that that I mean, I still want to win, but
Speaker 1: the fact that you took like the sensationalized headline did
Speaker 1: your own identifications were like, now, the biolog just got
Speaker 1: it wrong. I know what that is. Come into fin
Speaker 1: clips like I could save Stargazer for fin clips, but
Speaker 1: it can always come back. It can always come back. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have no good transition from that into what I'm
Speaker 1: going to talk about other than you talked about a
Speaker 1: fish and I'm going to talk about some other fish
Speaker 1: that live on a different continent. Right, more specifically, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about some fish that live on on this
Speaker 1: continent in our greatest waterways of all least freshwater walkways.
Speaker 1: All right, So back in there were a few different
Speaker 1: studies published that showed mercury levels in Great Lakes fish
Speaker 1: we're holding steadier, in some cases rising. And some of
Speaker 1: you might be thinking, duh, everybody knows the Great Lakes
Speaker 1: are like this polluted wasteland. Didn't want of them like
Speaker 1: catch on fire or something, And yes, that used to
Speaker 1: be the case. But uh, but if if you're up
Speaker 1: on kind of contemporary happenings, the Great Lakes represent one
Speaker 1: of the best examples of conservation success that we have
Speaker 1: in this country. Ever since the passage of the Clean
Speaker 1: Water Act, the waters and fisheries quality of the Great
Speaker 1: Lakes has improved exponentially. Lake Erie, which was considered a
Speaker 1: dead zone that that's that was a term that was used,
Speaker 1: a dead zone for aquatic life in v is a
Speaker 1: thriving ecosystem now and and you see that trend all
Speaker 1: across the lakes. Not only are the fish back, but
Speaker 1: the levels of pollutants mercury included are low howlow. According
Speaker 1: to Sarah Jansen, a research chemist with the U S
Speaker 1: Geological Survey, we're seeing some of the lowest concentrations of
Speaker 1: mercury in waters and sediments that the Great Lakes have
Speaker 1: ever seen. So that begs the question, why are the
Speaker 1: mercury levels in the fish not going down? And that's
Speaker 1: what Ryan Lapac, researcher for the National Science Foundation, is
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. The short answer, according to the Pack,
Speaker 1: is invasive species and ecosystems changes. Though the lakes now
Speaker 1: have far fewer pollutants, they are home to many invasive
Speaker 1: species like sea lampreys, ale wives, carp zebra muscles, and gobies,
Speaker 1: and those last two in particular might explain this this
Speaker 1: conundrum that we're looking at. A single tiny zebra muscle
Speaker 1: will filter gallons of water a day, so so they're
Speaker 1: they're like little miniature pollution magnets, and there are millions
Speaker 1: of those muscles. That could be a good thing. Since
Speaker 1: the vast majority of native fish in the Great Lakes
Speaker 1: don't eatzebra muscles, they could be sequestering all those pollutants
Speaker 1: and taking them out of the food chain, except for
Speaker 1: this other invasive species, small fish called gobies. Gobies do
Speaker 1: eat zebra mussels, and just about everything eats gobies, So
Speaker 1: what's happening is that the remaining pollution in the system
Speaker 1: now has this incredibly efficient pathway right into the food chain.
Speaker 1: According to the pack, another factor that helps explain why
Speaker 1: we're not seeing a drop in mercury levels and fish
Speaker 1: is that the Great Lakes are both cold and hospitable.
Speaker 1: That means the fish grow slowly, but they can live
Speaker 1: a really long time, giving them lots of years to
Speaker 1: to to build up their mercury deposits. The takeaway here
Speaker 1: is actually a positive one, even though it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like it at first. The Great lakes are much much
Speaker 1: clear than they used to be. And while the levels
Speaker 1: of mercury are remaining steady in the fish, and that's concerning,
Speaker 1: the levels still aren't so high that you shouldn't eat
Speaker 1: any anything that lives in there. Right, like fish lower
Speaker 1: in the food chain, perch, whitefish, they have they still
Speaker 1: have relatively low levels of contaminants. Bigger fish like lake trout,
Speaker 1: they can still be eaten safely. You just want to
Speaker 1: limit your consumption to one meal a week, and you know,
Speaker 1: don't bring him as an appetizer to a baby shower. Right.
Speaker 1: Long term, if we keep the lakes clean, these fish
Speaker 1: will eventually flush out too. We just haven't got there yet. Well,
Speaker 1: and this one kind of hits home for me because
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time on Lake Erie in particular,
Speaker 1: I love fishing out of Buffalo Harbor, and um, I
Speaker 1: only know it as having been cleaned up, But you
Speaker 1: hear all these stories from the old time are about
Speaker 1: just what a sludge pit that lake was for so long.
Speaker 1: And this is very interesting because zebra muscles in particular,
Speaker 1: this highly invasive thing that that nobody wants, but also
Speaker 1: nobody can deny how much they have contributed to cleaning
Speaker 1: up Lake Erie, exactly right. But I mean, and and
Speaker 1: knowing a lot of guys that fish there, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's always a trade off, Like they've affected
Speaker 1: bait fish migrations and so it is a trade off.
Speaker 1: But um, that is fascinating because you're like, yes, so
Speaker 1: I get it. These muscles are making themselves a little
Speaker 1: concentrated mercury ball and the gobies. Dude, when you go
Speaker 1: up there to fish, I don't care if you're lake
Speaker 1: trout fishing, small mouth fishing, most of the time you
Speaker 1: are trying to imitate a gobie. You go up there
Speaker 1: with a brown tube, brown, little purple, little blurple tube
Speaker 1: up there, Niagara River, on Lake Ontario, anywhere in Lake Erie.
Speaker 1: Most of the time you are trying to imitate a gobie.
Speaker 1: So good on these guys for figuring out that connection there. Um,
Speaker 1: and I don't really know how to expand all other
Speaker 1: than to say, like, boy, like yes for that. That
Speaker 1: does make a lot of sense because every one of
Speaker 1: those muscles is just like a tide pod of of
Speaker 1: bad ship that is essentially making the entire lake cleaner.
Speaker 1: But but I actually most guys will tell you the
Speaker 1: gobies are a worse problem than the muscles. They much
Speaker 1: rather have the muscles and get rid of the gobies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I could go there's a hole of the
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, I go down with the gobies replacing other forage.
Speaker 1: Based on why that's an issue, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to get into that because we just don't have time,
Speaker 1: and that wasn't the point of the story. But I
Speaker 1: found that one really interesting to say, you know, we
Speaker 1: had this conundrum, what the lakes are cleaner? Why aren't
Speaker 1: the fish cleaner? And and the fact that that someone
Speaker 1: has possibly they think figured it out that that one
Speaker 1: was another one I do stories today that I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. I hope that everybody out there is
Speaker 1: as geeky as I am and find that as interesting
Speaker 1: as I do. Um, we we both see well this week,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I'm just gonna win. I don't either,
Speaker 1: feel phil you have your work cut out for you.
Speaker 1: And you know what, if if I lose this week,
Speaker 1: I feel like I went down swinging and I will
Speaker 1: still feel feel good about myself. It's not like it's
Speaker 1: not like one of those weeks where you tanked and
Speaker 1: you come in like I don't have it. I feel good.
Speaker 1: I think we both came with the heat this week.
Speaker 1: And if you lose this week, you're gonna lose twice
Speaker 1: because as soon as we hear from Phil, we're moving
Speaker 1: on to our our second installment of awkward moments in angling.
Speaker 1: I took a beating compared I was compared to Joey
Speaker 1: Buttafuco last week. This week, I got some pictures from
Speaker 1: Miles mom, and we're gonna have a little fun at
Speaker 1: his expense. Wow. Um, great showing from both of you.
Speaker 1: You guys really brought your a games this week. Unfortunately, uh,
Speaker 1: this is just too close for me to call right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've still got a ton of votes coming
Speaker 1: in from Maricopa County and Georgia is looking like a
Speaker 1: real nail biter, so stay tuned. Actually, on second thought,
Speaker 1: I will just give the crown to whichever one of
Speaker 1: you makes Lance V a hanging chad. When did you
Speaker 1: take a picture in a lab black? So payback suck,
Speaker 1: and now it's my turn to shame Miles. This is
Speaker 1: our second installment of awkward Moments in fishing, and here's
Speaker 1: the fun part of the photo I'm about to describe.
Speaker 1: Right by itself, it's just kind of a cute family shot.
Speaker 1: But once you learn that this served as the Nulti
Speaker 1: family Christmas card, in which I have come to understand,
Speaker 1: it levels up a notch. And since it's a family photo,
Speaker 1: one has to get a sense of all the characters
Speaker 1: and and you, you, sir, will have the chance to
Speaker 1: tell me what I got wrong at the end. But
Speaker 1: but what's fun about this is I get to paint
Speaker 1: my perception of your past in this moment, and then
Speaker 1: you get to tell us what I totally have inaccurate.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see how you do a psychological
Speaker 1: breakdown in my childhood through this photos. I did my best.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this. This is a this is a fun
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this very much. So I'm gonna start with
Speaker 1: eight year old Miles, who is rocking a full on
Speaker 1: Canadian tuxedo. Though you lose a few points though, because
Speaker 1: the gray stonewashed jean jacket kind of clashes with the
Speaker 1: classic lee dungaree blue jeans, so like it's all denim,
Speaker 1: it's just not cohesive denim. Okay. Points re earned, however,
Speaker 1: for the reef style flip flops, because you're not one
Speaker 1: of those kids rocking the sandals with the built in
Speaker 1: ankle braces like most kids wear, but minus one more point.
Speaker 1: We're having the cuffs of the jeans rolled up way
Speaker 1: too high. Like that's like that's the gene. Cuffs are
Speaker 1: rolled way too high for a young man. That's weak
Speaker 1: and the particularly that time. Those are not sandals. Those
Speaker 1: are slippers. Yeah, no, you don't call them sandals in Hawaii.
Speaker 1: They're slippers. Was taken in Hawaii. It was not taking
Speaker 1: in Hawaii, but it doesn't matter. Like I am who
Speaker 1: I am, and I come from where I come from.
Speaker 1: Those are not sandals. Okay, fine, fine, you got one
Speaker 1: jab in you got okay, that's okay. Here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: The entire ensemble is complimented by a life jacket, but
Speaker 1: it is not just any life jacket, much like the Titanic.
Speaker 1: I'm sure somewhere on the original tag it was touted
Speaker 1: as the unsinkable life jack, okay, which in fairness would
Speaker 1: have been the one that my mom bought two all right.
Speaker 1: It's crafted from the same dense, rigid, non bendable gloss
Speaker 1: coated foam they used to make headgear for people training
Speaker 1: in martial arts or those prone to seizures. So if
Speaker 1: you could picture that shiny, glossy foam, that's this life jacket.
Speaker 1: All right now, Myles dad has his arms around miles
Speaker 1: shoulders and he's horizontally holding a large mouth bass that
Speaker 1: I'll say is I'm gonna say what four or five pounds?
Speaker 1: You tell me? Yeah? Yeah, it was written a five
Speaker 1: pound rinch. Okay, he's holding it right in front of
Speaker 1: your face, but you're not looking at the fish that
Speaker 1: is inches in front of your face, nor at the camera,
Speaker 1: but rather like awkwardly off to the side, as if
Speaker 1: young Miles had just seen the ice cream truck like
Speaker 1: round the corner or something. So you're totally not engaged
Speaker 1: in the photo. All right now, Uh, your dad is
Speaker 1: is owning the members jacket, only he's wearing a light
Speaker 1: gray like a champion. And I'm not even gonna poke
Speaker 1: fun because that he's straight varsity, right. He's also wearing
Speaker 1: some choice aviators that to me looked like they were
Speaker 1: real pilot aviators, like they weren't the knockoff ray bands
Speaker 1: I used to buy at the flea market. Okay, and uh,
Speaker 1: your dad finishes off with a blue hat that I
Speaker 1: would wear all day at Presidents. Subsequently, some hipster would
Speaker 1: pay fifty bucks for on eBay and dude, I've zoomed
Speaker 1: in and I cannot tell what it says, but it
Speaker 1: looks like a beer brand to me. I thought it
Speaker 1: was Papst at first, but be you can tell us
Speaker 1: Miller light that's a Miller light hat. I'm almost positive
Speaker 1: that's a Miller lighthead because I think it's I'm not
Speaker 1: looking at the photo right now, but he wore that
Speaker 1: Miller led hat all the time fishing, so I'm assuming
Speaker 1: it's the same one. Okay. Well, anyway, you've said in
Speaker 1: this podcast previous your dad developed video games for a living,
Speaker 1: But based on just this shot, I put him like
Speaker 1: eastbounding down as a long haul trucker who likes playing
Speaker 1: pool and knows how to wheel to queue when ship
Speaker 1: gets ugly. All right, Oh, hold on, I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: screwed up. That is. I can't believe I messed this up.
Speaker 1: That is a point logger hat from Point Wisconsin. And no,
Speaker 1: no wonder you didn't notice that or know what that
Speaker 1: was because it was a very niche brand from that
Speaker 1: part of the country. But that is a point logger hat,
Speaker 1: no question, hands down. All right, So we got clarity
Speaker 1: on the hat. We can move on to your mom.
Speaker 1: And she's just like so cute and momish in this shot,
Speaker 1: like clean compared to you two ruffians, stark white shirt,
Speaker 1: striped denim skirt, and like a scuff free pair of kids.
Speaker 1: Perhaps they were kids my mom wore kids, um, And
Speaker 1: I think I know what she's thinking because I have
Speaker 1: similar pictures with my mom. She's playing along for the
Speaker 1: picture for your sake, she's encouraging of your fishing. But
Speaker 1: get super piste when you used the good cutting board
Speaker 1: to whack up a walleye, And God bless her for
Speaker 1: letting this be your Christmas card? What did I get right?
Speaker 1: What did I get wrong? Oh? Man? You were pretty
Speaker 1: much spot on that that whole way through. Uh what
Speaker 1: What you you don't know is that I'm like, actually
Speaker 1: kind of piste off in that photo because Dad's getting
Speaker 1: ahold of fish but I'm not. And I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm eight. I'm like, that's no fair. I wanna I
Speaker 1: want to be holding the fish in the in the
Speaker 1: Christmas card. And I was even more piste because because
Speaker 1: I did have what I thought was a picture worthy
Speaker 1: fish that was caught that day. I had, you know,
Speaker 1: a northern pike that in my mind was was was
Speaker 1: a dandy. It was nothing compared to Christmas card. Dandy wasn't.
Speaker 1: And I know there are other photos that I made
Speaker 1: people take of me holding the fish, but my fish photo,
Speaker 1: the photos of the family with me holding the fish,
Speaker 1: did not make the Christmas card. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: just the one with with dad's big bass. And uh
Speaker 1: and and Mom was not happy about the whole thing
Speaker 1: ever becoming our Christmas card. Now in the moment, she
Speaker 1: didn't know this was gonna be the Christmas card. But
Speaker 1: I do remember this being a point of contention that
Speaker 1: that our Christmas card being sent out to all our
Speaker 1: genteel and polite friends who didn't care at all about fishing,
Speaker 1: had to see my dad holding a giant dead bass.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty much, uh, that's pretty much what I
Speaker 1: got for you. You You did, you did well, sir, well,
Speaker 1: that was a great awkward fishing moment. And not to
Speaker 1: all the fathers of young children out there, okay, don't
Speaker 1: let this resentment breed forever, and let your kids hold
Speaker 1: their own fish. They'll never never forgive you for it.
Speaker 1: All right, that's stunn a little. But uh, now that
Speaker 1: Joe has taken his lumps and awkward fishing moments and
Speaker 1: I have taken mine, it's only fair. It's your turn.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to all of you out there listening. It's
Speaker 1: my duty to remind you that my picture can now
Speaker 1: be seen on mine Joe's Instagram pages. That's at water
Speaker 1: Miles and at Joe dot Sir, Melie. But we want
Speaker 1: to put your terribly awkward fishing photos on our pages
Speaker 1: as well. We've already gotten a few, but keep them coming,
Speaker 1: send them to bent at the Meat Eater dot com,
Speaker 1: and you might get to be burned by us on
Speaker 1: this podcast. We hope, so at least we want to
Speaker 1: burn you. But let's keep making people feel awkward right now.
Speaker 1: Though we've had our good friend dos Bot to Lum
Speaker 1: and badass guy Tim Land We're on the show before,
Speaker 1: but this week we're gonna try and rattle his brain
Speaker 1: with trivia where categories include flea market, junk, and horrible cinema.
Speaker 1: You gotta be highly skilled for these shows. You understand
Speaker 1: that I do under Are you well? Burst, there. You're
Speaker 1: very smart men. Half all right in the hot seat
Speaker 1: today for trivia. My good buddy Tim Land where of
Speaker 1: tight Lins Fly Fishing Company in Green Bay. What's going on? Tim?
Speaker 1: Not much show? How are you doing? Good man? Now?
Speaker 1: Tim and I met on the set of season two
Speaker 1: of dos Boat this past summer, and um, I learned
Speaker 1: a few things about you after spending a few days
Speaker 1: with you that have helped me Taylor Today's trivia questions,
Speaker 1: and uh the first one of those things that I
Speaker 1: learned from hanging out at the fly shop is that,
Speaker 1: like me, you are a collector of vintage tackle. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: all right, you don't sound too confident, but you do
Speaker 1: have you do have too, yes, So just having it there,
Speaker 1: I assumed you were an expert, so we'll see how
Speaker 1: this goes. But you have too awesome cases of vintage
Speaker 1: flies and reels and all kinds of cool stuff there
Speaker 1: in the shop that I was just very interested in.
Speaker 1: So our first question today is going to, uh see
Speaker 1: how much knowledge you have of the things in your
Speaker 1: case in a roundabout way, So are you ready to play? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do it all right, here we go. Question one
Speaker 1: in n Charles Fluger finally received a patent for his
Speaker 1: Medalist fly reel after submitting the design two years earlier.
Speaker 1: Since fly reels already existed, the granting of that patent
Speaker 1: meant that Flugger's reel was designated as unique and different
Speaker 1: from other reels out there. So which of the following
Speaker 1: was a key feature of the Metalists that earned Flugger
Speaker 1: the patent? A? Did it have a real foot that
Speaker 1: would universally fit on any brand of fly rod? Be
Speaker 1: a real handle that rotated around a post instead of
Speaker 1: remaining static as you cranked. See A revolutionary paint finish
Speaker 1: that inhibited rust? Or D an ornamental round line guide
Speaker 1: built into the frame. One of those things earned Flugger
Speaker 1: the patent for the Medalist in nineteen thirty. You think
Speaker 1: on this, I don't I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 1: like it at all? Was the finish? So you're going
Speaker 1: with C it was a revolutionary paint finish that inhibited rust.
Speaker 1: I'm going with that. Yes, that is incorrect. What the
Speaker 1: answer is? D an ornamental round line guide built into
Speaker 1: the frame. I had no idea, but I was totally
Speaker 1: good because I had a I had a bunch of
Speaker 1: friends that redid the click and Paul on the inside
Speaker 1: with brass and things, because they were some of the
Speaker 1: first saltwater reels that they actually had used, So I
Speaker 1: thought maybe the finish on the outside was kind of
Speaker 1: a key feature to that. I thought long and hard
Speaker 1: about the fake answers in that, so good on me.
Speaker 1: But they changed in a nineteen fifty two. This is
Speaker 1: according to the Internet, right, So they have the rectangular
Speaker 1: line guides, and if you remember the old medalist like,
Speaker 1: now that line guide is built into the frame, those
Speaker 1: were screwed in as a separate piece. Uh, as I
Speaker 1: read it. As it turns out, the round line guide
Speaker 1: went away because it actually proved inefficient because more people
Speaker 1: started chasing bigger stuff than trout didn't lay line as
Speaker 1: nice as a long rectangular guide. So point being with
Speaker 1: that for all you dirt mall and and flea market
Speaker 1: people like me and I think tim on occasion like, yeah,
Speaker 1: medalists are a dime a dozen, right, But you see
Speaker 1: one with the round line guide for two bucks in
Speaker 1: somebody's box of wares, by that because that is the
Speaker 1: valuable one that'll get you on antiques road show every time.
Speaker 1: There you go exactly. Okay, So moving on to question two. Uh,
Speaker 1: here's another thing I learned about you that I love you.
Speaker 1: Um you have an ability to reference obscure, weird movies.
Speaker 1: And here's how this came about. During the shoot, we
Speaker 1: were cutting up fish with the bench made meat crafter
Speaker 1: boning knife that the meat eater made there and the
Speaker 1: entire crew was talking about this knife, and your contribution
Speaker 1: was I want the knife. And I was like, did
Speaker 1: he just drop a reference is Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 1: I did, and I was like, holy sh it, we
Speaker 1: can hang. So I got you. You are at least
Speaker 1: somewhat well versed in weird and or forgotten movies. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change up the format of this question a
Speaker 1: little bit. Here. I'm gonna give you a chance to
Speaker 1: answer without the multiple choice, And if you can get
Speaker 1: this without needing a list of answers, you will not
Speaker 1: only win the nothing that's already up for grabs, but
Speaker 1: I will double the nothing and toss in a one
Speaker 1: year subscription to the Nothing. If you can hit this
Speaker 1: without needing multiple choice, I'm counting on you, man, Like
Speaker 1: I like, we're kindred spirits here, So here we Go okay,
Speaker 1: in which film is the excuse for a destroyed living
Speaker 1: room that one of the main characters was attempting to
Speaker 1: free the mounted mahi mahi hanging on the wall. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I don't know, Tim. Please know that we're
Speaker 1: already like brothers. There was not What about Bob? No? No,
Speaker 1: But without answering Miles, do you know it? Sadly? No? Oh,
Speaker 1: you're you're on an island. I quit all right, I'll
Speaker 1: give you the multiple choice. Then was it a the
Speaker 1: son in law? Be in sin? No? Man? See Biodome?
Speaker 1: D The Godfather Part two? Now I know? Was it
Speaker 1: for the first one? Was it father in law? No?
Speaker 1: The son in law? Have you never seen Biodome? I've never, Dude,
Speaker 1: we talked about biodome and I've not seen Biodome. You
Speaker 1: need to go to Blockbuster tonight. It features one of
Speaker 1: my favorite quotes of all times. What do you boys
Speaker 1: want out? Alive? To die and come back as a leotard?
Speaker 1: I promise you, Joe. That is on my That's on
Speaker 1: my movie list tonight. It is an exceptional cinema And
Speaker 1: the next time I see you, we better be able
Speaker 1: to go back and forth on the biodome. I feel
Speaker 1: so left out on that one. Damn it. We are
Speaker 1: about out of time here on Bent, which brings us
Speaker 1: to our end of the line segment where we run
Speaker 1: down a lure or fly or bait we think you
Speaker 1: need to know about or just know more about, because
Speaker 1: we said so. Damn right. Yeah, it's like parenting. This week,
Speaker 1: Joe is going to try and support a claim that
Speaker 1: wiggily rubber beats wavy hair when considering criteria to determine
Speaker 1: the most versatile lure ever made. You'd be the judge. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not allowed enough. Burt. Way back in I penned
Speaker 1: an article that made a fairly ballsy claim for generations,
Speaker 1: the plain white bucktail jake has been largely hit old
Speaker 1: as the most versatile lore ever made. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: white bucktails were once included in the ditch bag of
Speaker 1: every naval airman and rumored to be part of survival
Speaker 1: kits within other branches of the military. Now, I certainly
Speaker 1: can't take anything away from the bucktail or its versatility,
Speaker 1: but what I wrote was that there wasn't much that
Speaker 1: could challenge that versatility until two thousand and two. That's
Speaker 1: the year that storm gave the world the Wild Eye swimshad.
Speaker 1: To understand the power and the glory and the ingenuity
Speaker 1: of the wild Eye swimshad, which most people just referred
Speaker 1: to as storm shads or Stormy's, one must examine the
Speaker 1: swim bait market in two thousand two and the years
Speaker 1: just prior. Okay, at that point in history, there were
Speaker 1: really only two swim bait options for consumers. You either
Speaker 1: paid a hefty price for custom swim baits, mostly coming
Speaker 1: out of California, or you bought the cheap rubber ones
Speaker 1: that were pretty stiff and rigid and needed a he
Speaker 1: rigged on a jighead for proper delivery. Now years ago,
Speaker 1: I chatted with Steve Gibson, a product engineer at Storm,
Speaker 1: and he explained that the wild Eyes sort of split
Speaker 1: the difference. They came pre rigged with an internal jighead,
Speaker 1: which meant anglers of any skill level could just tie
Speaker 1: one on and cast away. Unlike many cheaper swim baits
Speaker 1: of that era that were solid colors or two tone
Speaker 1: at best, Storm created life like patterns with foil inserts,
Speaker 1: more akin to the custom stuff that the Callie boys
Speaker 1: were doing. But perhaps most critical was that a bag
Speaker 1: of stormies did not break the bank. They were affordable
Speaker 1: to all aesthetics and cost the side though. The storm
Speaker 1: chad just playing cough fish, lots of fish, and in
Speaker 1: pretty much any type of water you wanted to throw
Speaker 1: one in. And I still genuinely remember the first pack
Speaker 1: of five inch storm shad I ever bought, mullet pattern
Speaker 1: to be exact, which is still my favorite today, and
Speaker 1: I grabbed them at the Fisherman's Supply in Point Pleasant,
Speaker 1: New Jersey before hitting a local jetty and positively crushed
Speaker 1: stripers that evening high hopping a storm shad off the
Speaker 1: bottom in the inlet as the tide flushed out. Now
Speaker 1: Gibson told me he truly realized the potential of the
Speaker 1: storm shad in those early days when he started getting
Speaker 1: calls about people using three inch freshwater models to tangle
Speaker 1: with massive tarpin. And not long after the storm shads released,
Speaker 1: they were in pretty much every big box and mom
Speaker 1: and pop tackle shop in the country. If you just
Speaker 1: cast and reel a storm, you'll catch fish. But there's
Speaker 1: almost nothing you can't do with this lore hop it
Speaker 1: crawl at jig at hell in times of extreme desperation.
Speaker 1: I'll admit I've even trolled one, and as long as
Speaker 1: that paddle tail is thumping, you're in the game. Though
Speaker 1: I may not have to catch fish to survive, I
Speaker 1: do feel stranded and very afraid if I'm fishing without
Speaker 1: some storm he's on hand, particularly in salt what from
Speaker 1: the Louisiana redfish backcountry to the stripers surf of the
Speaker 1: Northeast to the oil rigs of the golf storm shads
Speaker 1: have saved me from lots of skunkings and in many
Speaker 1: cases just proved to be more effective than the rest
Speaker 1: of the loures we were chucking. Now. Of course, one
Speaker 1: could argue that a storm shat is even less durable
Speaker 1: than a plain white bucktail, which is accurate. So maybe
Speaker 1: if you were genuinely going to wind up stranded on
Speaker 1: an island, okay, you'd want that bucktail in that situation. Personally,
Speaker 1: I would rather have a metal Hopkins or cast master.
Speaker 1: That's even harder for barracudas and such to mangle. But
Speaker 1: we'll save that argument for another end of the line.
Speaker 1: So that's it for this week. You now know where
Speaker 1: to find drinking paradise if you can tie delicate may
Speaker 1: flies while listening to Raining Blood, how to ruin a
Speaker 1: warm Christmas greeting with a large mouth bass and the
Speaker 1: Tom Rosenbauer, the Great Tom rosen Power drowns his fishing
Speaker 1: sorrows in week Margarita's as per usual. We'd like to
Speaker 1: remind you, guys to keep those bar nominations, comments, criticism,
Speaker 1: questions for lance, awkward photos, and sale been items coming
Speaker 1: to bent at the meat eator dot com. Just reading,
Speaker 1: just listening to that, like we just keep adding things
Speaker 1: we want. Pretty soon it will be send your social
Speaker 1: Security number, copy of your passport. I'm kidding, of course,
Speaker 1: but we do love hearing from you guys very very much.
Speaker 1: We do, we do, and we hope you're getting out
Speaker 1: to fish this weekend, not binging poly shore movies. And
Speaker 1: remember keep only what you intend to eat and as
Speaker 1: for the rest of it, free might em free my
Speaker 1: emight I if you will