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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: Bent the Fishing podcast with as much nutritional value as

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Speaker 1: here's what Nick sent us. Located in June Lake, California,

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Speaker 1: and find the nexus between angling tactics and our mission

426
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: to preserve and protect cold water fisheries. So here are

427
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: a few thoughts, and this is where we're gonna have

428
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: a little fun. Uh. First of all, the euro carpet

429
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: dudes have been using RC boats to run baits and

430
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: and drop bait piles in their swims for years. That's

431
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: actually not new or a gimmick. Those boats have actually

432
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: become adopted as legit tackle in that game. Like you know,

433
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: some guys can only afford the sling shot. The real

434
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: dudes get the remote control boat to send their their

435
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: their wad of boats a flying right. Um. But personally

436
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: see and generally speaking, I find this a little little hypocritical.

437
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: And hear me out right. I will never fish with

438
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: a drone. I will never drag the maps behind a

439
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: little boat. Neither will you. But in my opinion, like,

440
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: if that's how you get your jollys, have at it.

441
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: And I say it's hypocritical because if we you want

442
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: to ban small RC vehicles to what protect fish Meanwhile,

443
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: you've got forty boats putting in at the ramp that

444
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: have side scanned down scan, auto down riggers, I pilot

445
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: spot lock, and real time bottom mapping capability. So point being,

446
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: in my opinion, if you want to ban technology to

447
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: sort of preserve fisheries, like ban that ship. We we

448
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: all complain about how much harder it is to catch

449
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: fish nowadays, but like we've we've already given them nowhere

450
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: to hide. So for me, like, it's not the dude

451
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: with the Walmart boat or the radio shack making a

452
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: YouTube video that concerns me, it's the guy who's got

453
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: more tech than NASA on his ranger. You make a

454
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: compelling argument, Joe, and uh, and my response is not

455
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: gonna be based in logic. I'll just tell you that

456
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: right now because because I can't argue with it. Like all,

457
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: everything you just said is totally straight up spot on,

458
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: but I still am opposed to it. And my argument

459
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: has more to do with how I like. My argument

460
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: has to do with not infringing upon other people's enjoyment

461
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: of the outdoors. To me, drones flying around the river

462
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: or the lake are annoying as hell has become somewhat

463
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: popular on on on the trout rivers around here, guys

464
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: will be on their guided trip, you know, and the

465
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: guide's own and the guy dudes are fishing or ladies whomever.

466
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: The anglers are fishing in the front the back, and

467
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: they have their drone programmed to follow behind them down

468
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: the river so that they don't miss any of their

469
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: great fishing footage. And I find it just highly annoying.

470
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: So for me, you're right, it has nothing to do

471
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: with like protecting the fisher. Conservation has to do with

472
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: protecting my own sense of what I enjoy being outside

473
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: and not wanting to hear the worrying of little blades

474
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: all the time. And I see that totally, and I

475
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: we are on the same page. It's funny because have

476
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: done work where a drone is involved. It's like, when

477
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: the drone is doing the work for you, you're like, oh,

478
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: this is sweet. But whenever you're out there and like

479
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: a drone flies over you and you don't know where

480
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: it comes from, I instantly want to like shoot it

481
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: down with the shotgun. Yeah, I hate I really dislike it.

482
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: But and and you make a valid point, but is

483
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: that like now you're getting into the argument of do

484
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: we just ban drones? I mean, you know what I mean,

485
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: especially like if you're talking about the dude with the

486
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: follow me mode on the river he's not even using

487
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with nothing to fishing its

488
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: later on. I would I mean, on a totally personal level,

489
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,239
Speaker 1: I would love that, but I recognize that there are

490
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: reasons why it's not all about me. So I'm in

491
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: favor of this legislation passing. We'll see if it actually does.

492
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna protect fish the only way

493
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: I could see it, and this is a totally minor

494
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: use case, and I don't think it would have any

495
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: impact at all. But just I hate the idea of

496
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: someone sitting in their truck sending up a drone, running

497
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: it up and down, being like, are the fish rising?

498
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: Let me go check it out. I don't want to.

499
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: I don't actually want to walk or put in like

500
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: the effort to go find them. That's the only thing

501
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: I can think. And I don't think it would impact

502
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: the fish or at all. It's just again purely for

503
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: my own sense of moral superiority and judgment and for

504
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: the record that dudes it showed and I hate that guy.

505
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: But when you're looking at it from like a protection thing,

506
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's hard to spin it in

507
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: a like environmental concerns too, because there's a lot worse

508
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: things that can end up on the bottom of a lake, river,

509
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: ocean than a sunken drone or a toy boat, like

510
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, outboard fuel and oil and busted off lead.

511
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: So I'm totally with you with the annoyance factor, and like,

512
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: I hate that guy when I see that guy, but

513
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: I just think it's too hard to skin is like this,

514
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: this technology is too unfair for fishing. No, side scan

515
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: sonar is too unfair for fishing. Yeah, no, again, I

516
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: have no I have no qualms with your logic, and

517
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: I won't conspute it. I won't, Okay, I'm gonna, however,

518
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: stick with the theme of technology changing the way we've

519
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: fish and changing fish, all right, So I think this

520
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: one should be filed under the headline researchers write paper

521
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: about phenomenon anglers have known for centuries, call it a

522
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: discovery the Royal Society, which is a real name for

523
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: an actual peer reviewed biology journal. I guessed, uh, I

524
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: guess elitists quarterly was already taken just published a paper

525
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: informing the world of some breaking news phish change their

526
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: behavior in response to fishing pressure. You don't say, you

527
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: don't say yep, okay, So that's not the interesting part

528
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: of the story. You know that, I know that anyone

529
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: who's ever walked past the TV while the fishing show

530
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: was playing knows that we've thankfully moved on from the

531
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: once common belief that fish memories only last for thirty seconds.

532
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: That has been thoroughly debunked, and this new study continues

533
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: to reinforce what everyone who's ever attempted to catch a

534
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: fish in a popular spot already knows. But this study

535
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: didn't actually focus on sport fishing. It looked at marine

536
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: fish populations responses to modern commercial fishing practices, specifically, how

537
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: some commercial fleets fly drones around the ocean until they

538
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: locate large schools of fish, then drive boats right to

539
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: them and wrap them all up in nets. It's it's

540
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: an incredibly efficient method of harvest. Well, it seems that

541
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 1: some marine fish populations are starting to adapt to this

542
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: new predatory pressure. They're not schooling in the same ways

543
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: that they have traditionally. The researchers noted fish populations splitting

544
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: into smaller groups and more fish moving individually or in pairs,

545
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: And I find this freaking fascinating. Yeah, me too, Right,

546
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: fish have adapted their social behaviors in order to avoid

547
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: getting eaten. Like that's that's one of the main functions

548
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: of swimming in a school safety and numbers, right. But

549
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: but with modern phishing methods, the fish that school are

550
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: the ones getting scooped, And the researchers hypothesized that because

551
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: this new form of human predation selects for fish that

552
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: are less social, the individuals who are not inclined to

553
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: school or favorite smaller schools are surviving and passing on

554
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: their traits and behaviors to their offspring. Which, again, mind body,

555
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: so cool. Do you realize that you've just done? Go ahead, finish?

556
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: App Yeah, let me finish. The long term implications of

557
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: this are totally unknown. Schooling fish developed the social traits

558
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: over millions of years because they've worked. Not only are

559
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: fishing schools better at avoiding their natural aquatic predators, but

560
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: a separate study published last month in Nature Communications showed

561
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: that fish swimming in a school expends significantly less energy

562
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: because they can draft behind each other. So what might

563
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: happen to these populations if phishing pressure changes their long

564
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: evolved behaviors. We really don't know, And this could also

565
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: be bad news for fishing industry, which is currently relying

566
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: on those massive, highly visible fish schools to make their

567
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: profit margins. So what you've just done here is you've

568
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: given all like, I'll just relate it to to striper

569
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: guys like I ain't seen a blitz since that's why.

570
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: That's why right there, because they don't school up anymore now, dude,

571
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: it is it is incredibly fascinating that we have hit

572
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: the ocean so hard that we are changing schooling behavior. Yeah,

573
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: like we are in it's it's just like natural selection.

574
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: To me geek out on that stuff. It's it's it's

575
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: amazing to watch. But seeing how human predation behaviors, which

576
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: are new predation behaviors the fish and never seen before,

577
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: changing the way that fish live and act is I

578
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's said, but it's also just

579
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: really interesting. Well, and I think both of our stories

580
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: so far like they tie together beautifully. Like we're talking

581
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: about side scan and down scan. These guys are using

582
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: drones to find is for commercial purposes, and even that

583
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: a drone has made that job more efficient. Back in

584
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: the day, like the day day, dude, the commercial fleets

585
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: would hire pilots to go out there and and fly around.

586
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: But now even that I always took it like, um,

587
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: the operations that that really had their ship dialed had

588
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: the money to have their spot or planes and all that.

589
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: But still it was not everybody was doing that. Now

590
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: every commercial fleet probably has a drone guy on it

591
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: or that. That's just such a common thing and it's

592
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: gotten so much easier to do that. It all ties together, man,

593
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: It's it's it's those stories sort of go hand in

594
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: hand because it's it's all about, like, is technology, both

595
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: on the recreational and commercial side making us too efficient?

596
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: Are we too efficient at what we can do now?

597
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean yes, but how do you stop right exactly exactly?

598
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: You you don't stop that? And that's that's the frightening thing.

599
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, anybody who's planned about not seeing the

600
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: blitzing fish of any kind there you go blame the drones.

601
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: All things come back. So I'll move it from schooling

602
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: fish to very solitary fish. And what I classifies like

603
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 1: a weekly World News style story. However, it's just from

604
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: Yahoo dot com, which is essentially the same thing. Um

605
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: headline Fisherman discovers ugly frowning human like fish colon quote

606
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: it was looking at me. So this happened in Thailand

607
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: and the and the story. The story says fisherman press

608
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: sort Shookle caught the unidentified pail fish, which had massive

609
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: human like lips and bulging blue eyes. To make matters

610
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: even creepier, the creature appeared to have a shocked expression

611
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: after it was captured. So this fish wade two point

612
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: seven kilograms that six pounds in American numbers, and was

613
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: forty two centimeters long that's seventeen inches in American numbers.

614
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: Hugo said it was dead by the time he had

615
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: returned to shore. So I'm gonna throw a shot at

616
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: this up on my Instagram story today. But but basically,

617
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: this is a squat fish that's all mouth. So picture

618
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: an angler fish or a monk fish, if you know

619
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: what those look like. It's similar to that huge mouth,

620
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: small body. Now, this dude caught this weird fish in

621
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: a crab trap, and homeboy says, I almost threw everything

622
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: back into the water. When I saw the scary fish,

623
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: it was looking at me and it had a face

624
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: like an ugly frowning human. It had big lips but

625
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: no teeth. Nobody knew what this creature was in our village,

626
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: including the elders. I did not dare to cook it

627
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: for myself or anybody else. So what the hell is it? Well?

628
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: A local marine center visited Shukel to examine the fish,

629
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: and they believe it could be a Pola Carriss fish.

630
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: It would explain the horrifying expression Paula Harris bury their

631
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: heads in the sand with their mouths open to catch

632
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: tiny fish. But I instantly reckon now is this is

633
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: something completely different? In fact, I researched Poula Carras fish

634
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: and I got zero hits. Man like that seems to

635
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: not exist. So either Yahoo has a typo or marine

636
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: biologists in Thailand and have no idea what the hell

637
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: they're talking. It looks to me instantly like a lighter,

638
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: paler skin tone version of the Northern star gazer. But

639
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: there are many kinds of star gazers all over the world,

640
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: and they make up the Urano Scopaday families, and some

641
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: of them can actually get up to forty inches long.

642
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: And star gazers, no doubt, they're ugly and weird, right,

643
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: But I don't really think it looks that much like

644
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: a human. You've seen the shot like it does. I'm

645
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: looking at it right now. Yeah, it's frowning, but that

646
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: that part sensationalized. But catching it in a crab trap

647
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: makes sense because they do spend most of their time

648
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: buried in the sand or mud and just their eyes

649
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: are sticking out, so they don't move much. They don't

650
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: they don't chase stuff. And I've caught a handful of

651
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: Northern star gazers over the years, but it's rare, and

652
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: it's always in the surf. When you're you're sitting on

653
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: a chunk, you have a clam or cut baits sitting

654
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: out there dead stick. Right. They don't fight. It's literally

655
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: like reeling in a paper bag full of sand. But

656
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: stargazers are both venomous and can give you an electric shock,

657
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: no way, right, So they have spikes on their gilt

658
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: gil plates that that will dose you up, and if

659
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: you step on their head you get shocked. And I've

660
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: gotten that shock and it is not pleasant. And while

661
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: they don't have the wattage of like an electric eel right,

662
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: it's one of those like spine tingling, I don't even know,

663
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: like like pit of the stomach, bar feelings you get

664
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: when you like stub your toe real bad and like

665
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: break your toenail off. It's just like like as soon

666
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: as it happens, you know, like you're just out there

667
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: swimming with the kids, and you're like, ah, like you

668
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it's just like so I've

669
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: I've experienced that. And that's relevant to point out because

670
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: Schooko gave the fish to the wildlife center fearing it

671
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: could bring him bad luck. And I would have been

672
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: more concerned about the venom in the electric shock than luck.

673
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: But that's just me. So that's when we got there,

674
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: shook smart move not starting. No. Actually I read that

675
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: they are delicacy like the venom. Once you get away

676
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: from the the venom is apparently neutralized. Uh if you

677
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: cook them. I don't know anybody around here who eats them.

678
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: You don't see them very much, but they are strange

679
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: and the ones we have here are very starkly modeled,

680
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: black and white. Actually a very interesting fish. I gotta

681
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: give you a lot of credit on that story, Joe,

682
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: that that I mean, I still want to win, but

683
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: the fact that you took like the sensationalized headline did

684
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: your own identifications were like, now, the biolog just got

685
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: it wrong. I know what that is. Come into fin

686
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: clips like I could save Stargazer for fin clips, but

687
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: it can always come back. It can always come back. Um. Yeah,

688
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: I have no good transition from that into what I'm

689
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: going to talk about other than you talked about a

690
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: fish and I'm going to talk about some other fish

691
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: that live on a different continent. Right, more specifically, I'm

692
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna talk about some fish that live on on this

693
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: continent in our greatest waterways of all least freshwater walkways.

694
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: All right, So back in there were a few different

695
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: studies published that showed mercury levels in Great Lakes fish

696
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: we're holding steadier, in some cases rising. And some of

697
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: you might be thinking, duh, everybody knows the Great Lakes

698
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: are like this polluted wasteland. Didn't want of them like

699
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: catch on fire or something, And yes, that used to

700
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: be the case. But uh, but if if you're up

701
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: on kind of contemporary happenings, the Great Lakes represent one

702
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: of the best examples of conservation success that we have

703
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: in this country. Ever since the passage of the Clean

704
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: Water Act, the waters and fisheries quality of the Great

705
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: Lakes has improved exponentially. Lake Erie, which was considered a

706
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: dead zone that that's that was a term that was used,

707
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: a dead zone for aquatic life in v is a

708
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: thriving ecosystem now and and you see that trend all

709
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: across the lakes. Not only are the fish back, but

710
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: the levels of pollutants mercury included are low howlow. According

711
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: to Sarah Jansen, a research chemist with the U S

712
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: Geological Survey, we're seeing some of the lowest concentrations of

713
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: mercury in waters and sediments that the Great Lakes have

714
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: ever seen. So that begs the question, why are the

715
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: mercury levels in the fish not going down? And that's

716
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: what Ryan Lapac, researcher for the National Science Foundation, is

717
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. The short answer, according to the Pack,

718
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: is invasive species and ecosystems changes. Though the lakes now

719
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: have far fewer pollutants, they are home to many invasive

720
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: species like sea lampreys, ale wives, carp zebra muscles, and gobies,

721
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: and those last two in particular might explain this this

722
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: conundrum that we're looking at. A single tiny zebra muscle

723
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: will filter gallons of water a day, so so they're

724
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: they're like little miniature pollution magnets, and there are millions

725
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: of those muscles. That could be a good thing. Since

726
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: the vast majority of native fish in the Great Lakes

727
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: don't eatzebra muscles, they could be sequestering all those pollutants

728
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: and taking them out of the food chain, except for

729
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: this other invasive species, small fish called gobies. Gobies do

730
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: eat zebra mussels, and just about everything eats gobies, So

731
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: what's happening is that the remaining pollution in the system

732
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: now has this incredibly efficient pathway right into the food chain.

733
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: According to the pack, another factor that helps explain why

734
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: we're not seeing a drop in mercury levels and fish

735
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: is that the Great Lakes are both cold and hospitable.

736
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: That means the fish grow slowly, but they can live

737
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: a really long time, giving them lots of years to

738
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: to to build up their mercury deposits. The takeaway here

739
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: is actually a positive one, even though it doesn't sound

740
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: like it at first. The Great lakes are much much

741
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: clear than they used to be. And while the levels

742
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: of mercury are remaining steady in the fish, and that's concerning,

743
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: the levels still aren't so high that you shouldn't eat

744
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: any anything that lives in there. Right, like fish lower

745
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: in the food chain, perch, whitefish, they have they still

746
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: have relatively low levels of contaminants. Bigger fish like lake trout,

747
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: they can still be eaten safely. You just want to

748
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: limit your consumption to one meal a week, and you know,

749
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: don't bring him as an appetizer to a baby shower. Right.

750
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: Long term, if we keep the lakes clean, these fish

751
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: will eventually flush out too. We just haven't got there yet. Well,

752
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: and this one kind of hits home for me because

753
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time on Lake Erie in particular,

754
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: I love fishing out of Buffalo Harbor, and um, I

755
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: only know it as having been cleaned up, But you

756
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: hear all these stories from the old time are about

757
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: just what a sludge pit that lake was for so long.

758
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: And this is very interesting because zebra muscles in particular,

759
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: this highly invasive thing that that nobody wants, but also

760
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: nobody can deny how much they have contributed to cleaning

761
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: up Lake Erie, exactly right. But I mean, and and

762
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: knowing a lot of guys that fish there, you know,

763
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: it's like it's always a trade off, Like they've affected

764
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: bait fish migrations and so it is a trade off.

765
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: But um, that is fascinating because you're like, yes, so

766
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: I get it. These muscles are making themselves a little

767
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: concentrated mercury ball and the gobies. Dude, when you go

768
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: up there to fish, I don't care if you're lake

769
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: trout fishing, small mouth fishing, most of the time you

770
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: are trying to imitate a gobie. You go up there

771
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: with a brown tube, brown, little purple, little blurple tube

772
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: up there, Niagara River, on Lake Ontario, anywhere in Lake Erie.

773
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: Most of the time you are trying to imitate a gobie.

774
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: So good on these guys for figuring out that connection there. Um,

775
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: and I don't really know how to expand all other

776
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: than to say, like, boy, like yes for that. That

777
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: does make a lot of sense because every one of

778
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: those muscles is just like a tide pod of of

779
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: bad ship that is essentially making the entire lake cleaner.

780
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: But but I actually most guys will tell you the

781
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: gobies are a worse problem than the muscles. They much

782
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: rather have the muscles and get rid of the gobies. Yeah,

783
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I could go there's a hole of the

784
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, I go down with the gobies replacing other forage.

785
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: Based on why that's an issue, I'm not. I'm not

786
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: going to get into that because we just don't have time,

787
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: and that wasn't the point of the story. But I

788
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: found that one really interesting to say, you know, we

789
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: had this conundrum, what the lakes are cleaner? Why aren't

790
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: the fish cleaner? And and the fact that that someone

791
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: has possibly they think figured it out that that one

792
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: was another one I do stories today that I was like, Wow,

793
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. I hope that everybody out there is

794
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: as geeky as I am and find that as interesting

795
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: as I do. Um, we we both see well this week,

796
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I'm just gonna win. I don't either,

797
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: feel phil you have your work cut out for you.

798
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: And you know what, if if I lose this week,

799
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I went down swinging and I will

800
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: still feel feel good about myself. It's not like it's

801
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: not like one of those weeks where you tanked and

802
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: you come in like I don't have it. I feel good.

803
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: I think we both came with the heat this week.

804
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: And if you lose this week, you're gonna lose twice

805
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: because as soon as we hear from Phil, we're moving

806
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: on to our our second installment of awkward moments in angling.

807
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: I took a beating compared I was compared to Joey

808
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: Buttafuco last week. This week, I got some pictures from

809
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: Miles mom, and we're gonna have a little fun at

810
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: his expense. Wow. Um, great showing from both of you.

811
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: You guys really brought your a games this week. Unfortunately, uh,

812
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: this is just too close for me to call right now.

813
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we've still got a ton of votes coming

814
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: in from Maricopa County and Georgia is looking like a

815
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: real nail biter, so stay tuned. Actually, on second thought,

816
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: I will just give the crown to whichever one of

817
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: you makes Lance V a hanging chad. When did you

818
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: take a picture in a lab black? So payback suck,

819
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: and now it's my turn to shame Miles. This is

820
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: our second installment of awkward Moments in fishing, and here's

821
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: the fun part of the photo I'm about to describe.

822
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: Right by itself, it's just kind of a cute family shot.

823
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: But once you learn that this served as the Nulti

824
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: family Christmas card, in which I have come to understand,

825
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: it levels up a notch. And since it's a family photo,

826
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: one has to get a sense of all the characters

827
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: and and you, you, sir, will have the chance to

828
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: tell me what I got wrong at the end. But

829
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: but what's fun about this is I get to paint

830
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: my perception of your past in this moment, and then

831
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: you get to tell us what I totally have inaccurate.

832
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see how you do a psychological

833
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: breakdown in my childhood through this photos. I did my best.

834
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this. This is a this is a fun

835
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this very much. So I'm gonna start with

836
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: eight year old Miles, who is rocking a full on

837
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: Canadian tuxedo. Though you lose a few points though, because

838
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: the gray stonewashed jean jacket kind of clashes with the

839
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: classic lee dungaree blue jeans, so like it's all denim,

840
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: it's just not cohesive denim. Okay. Points re earned, however,

841
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: for the reef style flip flops, because you're not one

842
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: of those kids rocking the sandals with the built in

843
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: ankle braces like most kids wear, but minus one more point.

844
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: We're having the cuffs of the jeans rolled up way

845
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: too high. Like that's like that's the gene. Cuffs are

846
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: rolled way too high for a young man. That's weak

847
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: and the particularly that time. Those are not sandals. Those

848
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: are slippers. Yeah, no, you don't call them sandals in Hawaii.

849
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: They're slippers. Was taken in Hawaii. It was not taking

850
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: in Hawaii, but it doesn't matter. Like I am who

851
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: I am, and I come from where I come from.

852
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: Those are not sandals. Okay, fine, fine, you got one

853
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: jab in you got okay, that's okay. Here's the thing, though,

854
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: The entire ensemble is complimented by a life jacket, but

855
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: it is not just any life jacket, much like the Titanic.

856
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure somewhere on the original tag it was touted

857
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: as the unsinkable life jack, okay, which in fairness would

858
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: have been the one that my mom bought two all right.

859
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: It's crafted from the same dense, rigid, non bendable gloss

860
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: coated foam they used to make headgear for people training

861
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: in martial arts or those prone to seizures. So if

862
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: you could picture that shiny, glossy foam, that's this life jacket.

863
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: All right now, Myles dad has his arms around miles

864
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: shoulders and he's horizontally holding a large mouth bass that

865
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: I'll say is I'm gonna say what four or five pounds?

866
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: You tell me? Yeah? Yeah, it was written a five

867
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: pound rinch. Okay, he's holding it right in front of

868
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: your face, but you're not looking at the fish that

869
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: is inches in front of your face, nor at the camera,

870
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: but rather like awkwardly off to the side, as if

871
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: young Miles had just seen the ice cream truck like

872
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: round the corner or something. So you're totally not engaged

873
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: in the photo. All right now, Uh, your dad is

874
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: is owning the members jacket, only he's wearing a light

875
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: gray like a champion. And I'm not even gonna poke

876
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: fun because that he's straight varsity, right. He's also wearing

877
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: some choice aviators that to me looked like they were

878
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 1: real pilot aviators, like they weren't the knockoff ray bands

879
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: I used to buy at the flea market. Okay, and uh,

880
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: your dad finishes off with a blue hat that I

881
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: would wear all day at Presidents. Subsequently, some hipster would

882
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: pay fifty bucks for on eBay and dude, I've zoomed

883
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: in and I cannot tell what it says, but it

884
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: looks like a beer brand to me. I thought it

885
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: was Papst at first, but be you can tell us

886
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: Miller light that's a Miller light hat. I'm almost positive

887
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: that's a Miller lighthead because I think it's I'm not

888
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: looking at the photo right now, but he wore that

889
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: Miller led hat all the time fishing, so I'm assuming

890
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: it's the same one. Okay. Well, anyway, you've said in

891
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: this podcast previous your dad developed video games for a living,

892
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: But based on just this shot, I put him like

893
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: eastbounding down as a long haul trucker who likes playing

894
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: pool and knows how to wheel to queue when ship

895
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: gets ugly. All right, Oh, hold on, I'm sorry I

896
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: screwed up. That is. I can't believe I messed this up.

897
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: That is a point logger hat from Point Wisconsin. And no,

898
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: no wonder you didn't notice that or know what that

899
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: was because it was a very niche brand from that

900
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: part of the country. But that is a point logger hat,

901
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: no question, hands down. All right, So we got clarity

902
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: on the hat. We can move on to your mom.

903
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: And she's just like so cute and momish in this shot,

904
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: like clean compared to you two ruffians, stark white shirt,

905
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: striped denim skirt, and like a scuff free pair of kids.

906
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: Perhaps they were kids my mom wore kids, um, And

907
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: I think I know what she's thinking because I have

908
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: similar pictures with my mom. She's playing along for the

909
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: picture for your sake, she's encouraging of your fishing. But

910
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: get super piste when you used the good cutting board

911
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: to whack up a walleye, And God bless her for

912
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: letting this be your Christmas card? What did I get right?

913
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: What did I get wrong? Oh? Man? You were pretty

914
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: much spot on that that whole way through. Uh what

915
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: What you you don't know is that I'm like, actually

916
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of piste off in that photo because Dad's getting

917
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: ahold of fish but I'm not. And I'm like, you know,

918
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm eight. I'm like, that's no fair. I wanna I

919
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: want to be holding the fish in the in the

920
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: Christmas card. And I was even more piste because because

921
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: I did have what I thought was a picture worthy

922
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: fish that was caught that day. I had, you know,

923
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: a northern pike that in my mind was was was

924
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: a dandy. It was nothing compared to Christmas card. Dandy wasn't.

925
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: And I know there are other photos that I made

926
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: people take of me holding the fish, but my fish photo,

927
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: the photos of the family with me holding the fish,

928
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: did not make the Christmas card. Oh no, no, no,

929
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: just the one with with dad's big bass. And uh

930
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: and and Mom was not happy about the whole thing

931
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: ever becoming our Christmas card. Now in the moment, she

932
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: didn't know this was gonna be the Christmas card. But

933
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: I do remember this being a point of contention that

934
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: that our Christmas card being sent out to all our

935
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: genteel and polite friends who didn't care at all about fishing,

936
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: had to see my dad holding a giant dead bass.

937
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: So that's pretty much, uh, that's pretty much what I

938
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: got for you. You You did, you did well, sir, well,

939
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: that was a great awkward fishing moment. And not to

940
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: all the fathers of young children out there, okay, don't

941
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: let this resentment breed forever, and let your kids hold

942
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: their own fish. They'll never never forgive you for it.

943
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: All right, that's stunn a little. But uh, now that

944
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: Joe has taken his lumps and awkward fishing moments and

945
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: I have taken mine, it's only fair. It's your turn.

946
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking to all of you out there listening. It's

947
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: my duty to remind you that my picture can now

948
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 1: be seen on mine Joe's Instagram pages. That's at water

949
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: Miles and at Joe dot Sir, Melie. But we want

950
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: to put your terribly awkward fishing photos on our pages

951
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: as well. We've already gotten a few, but keep them coming,

952
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: send them to bent at the Meat Eater dot com,

953
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: and you might get to be burned by us on

954
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: this podcast. We hope, so at least we want to

955
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: burn you. But let's keep making people feel awkward right now.

956
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Though we've had our good friend dos Bot to Lum

957
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: and badass guy Tim Land We're on the show before,

958
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 1: but this week we're gonna try and rattle his brain

959
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: with trivia where categories include flea market, junk, and horrible cinema.

960
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: You gotta be highly skilled for these shows. You understand

961
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: that I do under Are you well? Burst, there. You're

962
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: very smart men. Half all right in the hot seat

963
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: today for trivia. My good buddy Tim Land where of

964
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: tight Lins Fly Fishing Company in Green Bay. What's going on? Tim?

965
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: Not much show? How are you doing? Good man? Now?

966
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: Tim and I met on the set of season two

967
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 1: of dos Boat this past summer, and um, I learned

968
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: a few things about you after spending a few days

969
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: with you that have helped me Taylor Today's trivia questions,

970
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: and uh the first one of those things that I

971
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: learned from hanging out at the fly shop is that,

972
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: like me, you are a collector of vintage tackle. Okay, well,

973
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: all right, you don't sound too confident, but you do

974
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: have you do have too, yes, So just having it there,

975
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: I assumed you were an expert, so we'll see how

976
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: this goes. But you have too awesome cases of vintage

977
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: flies and reels and all kinds of cool stuff there

978
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: in the shop that I was just very interested in.

979
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: So our first question today is going to, uh see

980
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: how much knowledge you have of the things in your

981
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: case in a roundabout way, So are you ready to play? Yeah,

982
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: let's do it all right, here we go. Question one

983
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: in n Charles Fluger finally received a patent for his

984
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: Medalist fly reel after submitting the design two years earlier.

985
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: Since fly reels already existed, the granting of that patent

986
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: meant that Flugger's reel was designated as unique and different

987
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: from other reels out there. So which of the following

988
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: was a key feature of the Metalists that earned Flugger

989
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: the patent? A? Did it have a real foot that

990
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: would universally fit on any brand of fly rod? Be

991
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: a real handle that rotated around a post instead of

992
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: remaining static as you cranked. See A revolutionary paint finish

993
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: that inhibited rust? Or D an ornamental round line guide

994
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: built into the frame. One of those things earned Flugger

995
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: the patent for the Medalist in nineteen thirty. You think

996
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: on this, I don't I don't like it. I don't

997
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: like it at all? Was the finish? So you're going

998
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: with C it was a revolutionary paint finish that inhibited rust.

999
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: I'm going with that. Yes, that is incorrect. What the

1000
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: answer is? D an ornamental round line guide built into

1001
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: the frame. I had no idea, but I was totally

1002
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: good because I had a I had a bunch of

1003
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: friends that redid the click and Paul on the inside

1004
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: with brass and things, because they were some of the

1005
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: first saltwater reels that they actually had used, So I

1006
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: thought maybe the finish on the outside was kind of

1007
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: a key feature to that. I thought long and hard

1008
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: about the fake answers in that, so good on me.

1009
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: But they changed in a nineteen fifty two. This is

1010
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: according to the Internet, right, So they have the rectangular

1011
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: line guides, and if you remember the old medalist like,

1012
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: now that line guide is built into the frame, those

1013
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: were screwed in as a separate piece. Uh, as I

1014
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: read it. As it turns out, the round line guide

1015
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: went away because it actually proved inefficient because more people

1016
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: started chasing bigger stuff than trout didn't lay line as

1017
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: nice as a long rectangular guide. So point being with

1018
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: that for all you dirt mall and and flea market

1019
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: people like me and I think tim on occasion like, yeah,

1020
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: medalists are a dime a dozen, right, But you see

1021
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: one with the round line guide for two bucks in

1022
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: somebody's box of wares, by that because that is the

1023
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: valuable one that'll get you on antiques road show every time.

1024
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: There you go exactly. Okay, So moving on to question two. Uh,

1025
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: here's another thing I learned about you that I love you.

1026
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: Um you have an ability to reference obscure, weird movies.

1027
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: And here's how this came about. During the shoot, we

1028
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: were cutting up fish with the bench made meat crafter

1029
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: boning knife that the meat eater made there and the

1030
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: entire crew was talking about this knife, and your contribution

1031
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: was I want the knife. And I was like, did

1032
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: he just drop a reference is Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy.

1033
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: I did, and I was like, holy sh it, we

1034
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: can hang. So I got you. You are at least

1035
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: somewhat well versed in weird and or forgotten movies. And

1036
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change up the format of this question a

1037
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: little bit. Here. I'm gonna give you a chance to

1038
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: answer without the multiple choice, And if you can get

1039
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: this without needing a list of answers, you will not

1040
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: only win the nothing that's already up for grabs, but

1041
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: I will double the nothing and toss in a one

1042
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: year subscription to the Nothing. If you can hit this

1043
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: without needing multiple choice, I'm counting on you, man, Like

1044
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: I like, we're kindred spirits here, So here we Go okay,

1045
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: in which film is the excuse for a destroyed living

1046
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: room that one of the main characters was attempting to

1047
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: free the mounted mahi mahi hanging on the wall. Oh

1048
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: my god, I don't know, Tim. Please know that we're

1049
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: already like brothers. There was not What about Bob? No? No,

1050
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: But without answering Miles, do you know it? Sadly? No? Oh,

1051
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: you're you're on an island. I quit all right, I'll

1052
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: give you the multiple choice. Then was it a the

1053
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: son in law? Be in sin? No? Man? See Biodome?

1054
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: D The Godfather Part two? Now I know? Was it

1055
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: for the first one? Was it father in law? No?

1056
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: The son in law? Have you never seen Biodome? I've never, Dude,

1057
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: we talked about biodome and I've not seen Biodome. You

1058
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: need to go to Blockbuster tonight. It features one of

1059
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: my favorite quotes of all times. What do you boys

1060
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: want out? Alive? To die and come back as a leotard?

1061
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: I promise you, Joe. That is on my That's on

1062
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: my movie list tonight. It is an exceptional cinema And

1063
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: the next time I see you, we better be able

1064
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: to go back and forth on the biodome. I feel

1065
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: so left out on that one. Damn it. We are

1066
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: about out of time here on Bent, which brings us

1067
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: to our end of the line segment where we run

1068
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: down a lure or fly or bait we think you

1069
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: need to know about or just know more about, because

1070
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: we said so. Damn right. Yeah, it's like parenting. This week,

1071
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: Joe is going to try and support a claim that

1072
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: wiggily rubber beats wavy hair when considering criteria to determine

1073
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: the most versatile lure ever made. You'd be the judge. Well,

1074
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: that's not allowed enough. Burt. Way back in I penned

1075
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: an article that made a fairly ballsy claim for generations,

1076
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: the plain white bucktail jake has been largely hit old

1077
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: as the most versatile lore ever made. Matter of fact,

1078
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: white bucktails were once included in the ditch bag of

1079
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: every naval airman and rumored to be part of survival

1080
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: kits within other branches of the military. Now, I certainly

1081
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: can't take anything away from the bucktail or its versatility,

1082
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: but what I wrote was that there wasn't much that

1083
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: could challenge that versatility until two thousand and two. That's

1084
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: the year that storm gave the world the Wild Eye swimshad.

1085
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: To understand the power and the glory and the ingenuity

1086
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: of the wild Eye swimshad, which most people just referred

1087
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: to as storm shads or Stormy's, one must examine the

1088
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: swim bait market in two thousand two and the years

1089
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: just prior. Okay, at that point in history, there were

1090
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: really only two swim bait options for consumers. You either

1091
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: paid a hefty price for custom swim baits, mostly coming

1092
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: out of California, or you bought the cheap rubber ones

1093
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 1: that were pretty stiff and rigid and needed a he

1094
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: rigged on a jighead for proper delivery. Now years ago,

1095
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: I chatted with Steve Gibson, a product engineer at Storm,

1096
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: and he explained that the wild Eyes sort of split

1097
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: the difference. They came pre rigged with an internal jighead,

1098
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: which meant anglers of any skill level could just tie

1099
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: one on and cast away. Unlike many cheaper swim baits

1100
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: of that era that were solid colors or two tone

1101
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: at best, Storm created life like patterns with foil inserts,

1102
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: more akin to the custom stuff that the Callie boys

1103
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: were doing. But perhaps most critical was that a bag

1104
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: of stormies did not break the bank. They were affordable

1105
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: to all aesthetics and cost the side though. The storm

1106
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: chad just playing cough fish, lots of fish, and in

1107
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: pretty much any type of water you wanted to throw

1108
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: one in. And I still genuinely remember the first pack

1109
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: of five inch storm shad I ever bought, mullet pattern

1110
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: to be exact, which is still my favorite today, and

1111
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: I grabbed them at the Fisherman's Supply in Point Pleasant,

1112
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: New Jersey before hitting a local jetty and positively crushed

1113
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: stripers that evening high hopping a storm shad off the

1114
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: bottom in the inlet as the tide flushed out. Now

1115
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: Gibson told me he truly realized the potential of the

1116
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: storm shad in those early days when he started getting

1117
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: calls about people using three inch freshwater models to tangle

1118
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: with massive tarpin. And not long after the storm shads released,

1119
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: they were in pretty much every big box and mom

1120
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: and pop tackle shop in the country. If you just

1121
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: cast and reel a storm, you'll catch fish. But there's

1122
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: almost nothing you can't do with this lore hop it

1123
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: crawl at jig at hell in times of extreme desperation.

1124
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: I'll admit I've even trolled one, and as long as

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01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: that paddle tail is thumping, you're in the game. Though

1126
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: I may not have to catch fish to survive, I

1127
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: do feel stranded and very afraid if I'm fishing without

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: some storm he's on hand, particularly in salt what from

1129
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: the Louisiana redfish backcountry to the stripers surf of the

1130
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: Northeast to the oil rigs of the golf storm shads

1131
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: have saved me from lots of skunkings and in many

1132
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: cases just proved to be more effective than the rest

1133
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: of the loures we were chucking. Now. Of course, one

1134
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: could argue that a storm shat is even less durable

1135
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: than a plain white bucktail, which is accurate. So maybe

1136
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: if you were genuinely going to wind up stranded on

1137
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: an island, okay, you'd want that bucktail in that situation. Personally,

1138
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: I would rather have a metal Hopkins or cast master.

1139
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: That's even harder for barracudas and such to mangle. But

1140
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: we'll save that argument for another end of the line.

1141
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: So that's it for this week. You now know where

1142
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: to find drinking paradise if you can tie delicate may

1143
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: flies while listening to Raining Blood, how to ruin a

1144
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: warm Christmas greeting with a large mouth bass and the

1145
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: Tom Rosenbauer, the Great Tom rosen Power drowns his fishing

1146
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: sorrows in week Margarita's as per usual. We'd like to

1147
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: remind you, guys to keep those bar nominations, comments, criticism,

1148
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: questions for lance, awkward photos, and sale been items coming

1149
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: to bent at the meat eator dot com. Just reading,

1150
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: just listening to that, like we just keep adding things

1151
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: we want. Pretty soon it will be send your social

1152
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: Security number, copy of your passport. I'm kidding, of course,

1153
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: but we do love hearing from you guys very very much.

1154
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: We do, we do, and we hope you're getting out

1155
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: to fish this weekend, not binging poly shore movies. And

1156
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: remember keep only what you intend to eat and as

1157
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: for the rest of it, free might em free my

1158
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: emight I if you will