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Speaker 1: Hey listeners, Niminy here, host of historical records. Get ready

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Speaker 1: to hear about a historical hero through hip hop although

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Speaker 1: parents and teachers. You can download a free activity related

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Speaker 1: to today's episode by visiting story pirates dot com slash

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Speaker 1: historical records, and now onto the show. After a few

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Speaker 1: words for the grown ups, keep digging raccoons.

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Speaker 2: I know it's out here somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Ugh, Hey listeners, Niminy here outside my secret underground layer

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Speaker 1: looking for a time capsule that I buried over ten

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Speaker 1: years ago and has all kinds of special items from

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Speaker 1: my childhood that I cannot wait to tell you about.

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Speaker 2: Tanna, did you find it yet? How's it going over there?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 2: I agree?

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Speaker 1: The ground is way too hard for these shovels. You

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Speaker 1: have a jackhammer, Tina, you buried the lead.

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Speaker 2: Let's get that thing up and run it. This is great.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna find my time capsule in no time.

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Speaker 1: This way, Tina, No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: Not that way. Where are you going now.

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 2: Let me try. I appreciate the warning.

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Speaker 1: But I'll be fine. You might be a little too

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Speaker 1: small to run this jackhammer properly. I'll just hop on

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Speaker 1: and then wh.

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Speaker 4: Why am I going this last?

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Speaker 3: Why am I going that way?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 3: Where am I? Godway?

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Speaker 1: Well, that jackhammer clearly didn't work right, and we still

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Speaker 1: haven't found my time capsule.

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Speaker 2: What Tina, you have a bobcat digger.

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Speaker 3: Go get it.

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Speaker 2: Why were we using shovels in a jackhammer? We're gonna

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Speaker 2: find this thing.

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Speaker 3: No time historical records. You are now listening to historical.

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Speaker 2: To make history, you got to have struggles to make history.

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Speaker 1: You got to show poised, cannot be quiet, loud as

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Speaker 1: a riot to make history.

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Speaker 2: You gotta make some noise, incredible. Dig right here, Tina.

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Speaker 1: I know I've said this before, but I've said of

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Speaker 1: this as the spot.

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Speaker 3: We hit the time capsule.

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Speaker 2: Now dig around it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not my time capsule, and I dug it out there.

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Speaker 2: Point Tina, you did play a critical role.

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Speaker 1: Now, Listeners, you may be wondering, what does Niminy have

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Speaker 1: in this time capsule that is so important that it's

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Speaker 1: delaying the start of this episode, an episode in which

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Speaker 1: we are going to learn about the Great Baseball Legend

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Speaker 1: Josh Gibson. Excellent question, Listeners, to answer it, Let's first

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Speaker 1: drag my time capsule out.

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Speaker 2: Of this hole. Among the many.

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Speaker 1: Things I am excited to show you. First up is

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Speaker 1: a red cape that I wore pretty much every day

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Speaker 1: for nearly two years when I was a kid, and

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Speaker 1: opening the look with the key I always keep around

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Speaker 1: my neck. You see, I wanted to be a superhero,

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Speaker 1: so my red cape was critical.

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Speaker 2: Every good superhero needs a good red cape. Opening the latch. Wait,

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Speaker 2: what it's green? My superhero cape is green? How is

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Speaker 2: that possible? I was certain it was red.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: You know that is so strange.

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Speaker 1: Surely the next thing in my time capsule will match

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Speaker 1: my memory. After all, I have a fantastic memory.

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Speaker 2: You don't know that I see it. The green looks fantastic.

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Speaker 2: This cape is even cooler than I realized. What is it? Tina?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Right, of course we probably should get started with the

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Speaker 1: episode listeners. We'll get back to going through my time

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Speaker 1: caps a little little later. There's a lot in here

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Speaker 1: you're gonna want to see. But right now, we got

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Speaker 1: to dive into today's historical figure, Josh Gibson. And in

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Speaker 1: order to do that, we have to find our historian

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Speaker 1: friend Gabe whoa that might be the biggest construction vehicle

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Speaker 1: I have ever seen it's a giant excavator.

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Speaker 2: Who is driving that thing incoming? Watch out?

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Speaker 3: Everybody? Wait? Is that Gabe? Game? Is that job?

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Speaker 2: Hey nimany I can barely see you up there.

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Speaker 4: Come on up, you can use the ladder.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, yep, okay here come ohoa, we are really

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Speaker 2: Hey, Gabe, there you are. What are you doing with

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Speaker 2: this huge thing?

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Speaker 6: I heard you needed some help digging, so I brought

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Speaker 6: my personal digging machine to help.

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Speaker 1: H I actually found I was looking for And did

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Speaker 1: you say that this commercial machine typically used to dig

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Speaker 2: Minds, is yours?

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Speaker 4: That is correct?

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Speaker 6: You see, being a historian and getting the history right

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Speaker 6: often takes a little digging, sometimes literally.

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Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 6: Speaking of digging, should we dig into the life of

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Speaker 6: the great Josh Gibson?

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Speaker 2: Okay? But Gabe, before we go back in time, can

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Speaker 2: I be honest?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 4: I actually prefer that you be honest, respectfully.

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Speaker 1: I really don't like that the history simulator looks and

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Speaker 1: feels and sounds like a gooey alien pod.

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Speaker 2: It's very uncomfortable to be it.

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Speaker 6: I couldn't agree more, which is why I built my

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Speaker 2: You did no way where was it?

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Speaker 4: We're sitting in it. Welcome to the History Excavator, nineteen twenty.

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Speaker 2: I I love it.

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Speaker 1: Very impressive, you said, History Excavator nineteen twenty.

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Speaker 2: Why nineteen twenty?

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Speaker 6: Oh, that's just where we're headed today. Hold on, niminy,

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Speaker 6: A Roaring twenties.

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Speaker 2: Here we come.

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Speaker 3: It's so gay.

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Speaker 2: This is about one hundred years.

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Speaker 6: Ago, right nearly to the day, and it was a

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Speaker 6: time of incredible change in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Hey, look at those cool ladies with short bob haircuts

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Speaker 1: and just below the knee linked dresses.

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Speaker 6: Yes, those ladies were known as flappers at the time.

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Speaker 6: These dresses were considered by many to be scandalous for

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Speaker 2: Too short. They look like formal dresses to me. I

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Speaker 2: guess we really have come a long way or a

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Speaker 1: Check Out that guy wailing on the saxophone.

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Speaker 4: Pretty amazing.

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Speaker 6: Right in the nineteen twenties, there was an explosion of

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Speaker 6: music exploration, including the birth of jazz.

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Speaker 1: Oh and look at that group of men with those

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Speaker 1: ridiculous pinstriped suits.

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Speaker 6: They look away, niminy, be careful, those men are very serious.

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Speaker 4: In fact, they might be gangsters.

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Speaker 3: Gabe.

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Speaker 2: You really shouldn't judge a book by its cover.

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Speaker 1: Just because those guys look like cartoon mobsters doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: I bet they have a great sense of humor too.

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Speaker 2: Watch this, hey, sir, your suit is hysterical.

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Speaker 1: You look like a businessman doing an impression of a zebra.

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Speaker 8: I you think I'm funny, You think my suitors are

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Speaker 8: joke usink I'm a zebra business clownd sent from the Zuda.

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Speaker 2: Make your laugh. No, no, no, none of that. It's

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Speaker 2: a very fetching outfit.

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Speaker 6: And we have to go, Gaby, hit it here we

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Speaker 6: go down to the south.

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Speaker 2: True, I was close, Gabe.

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Speaker 1: Sorry for not trusting your instincts about who is and

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Speaker 1: who is in a gangster.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, thanks for getting us out of there.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of getting out of there, Gabe, always see our

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Speaker 1: black families packing their things and getting out of town.

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Speaker 4: It was known as the Great Migration.

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Speaker 6: Lots of black folks were moving from the rural south

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Speaker 6: better jobs, more pay, and a brighter future.

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Speaker 2: And once they got to the north, where would they work.

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Speaker 4: Let's head to the north. Here we are in the North.

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Speaker 6: Often black folks would work in steel factories like that

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Speaker 6: one in cities like this one Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: Look over their gabe a department store. Can we go in?

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Speaker 2: I want to buy one of those flapper dresses.

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Speaker 6: It's not just any department store. It's Gimbals, which is

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Speaker 6: where Josh Gibson worked.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 1: Let's head through the revolving doors and check it out.

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Speaker 2: Oh mah, there are.

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Speaker 1: A head spinning amount of flapper dress options. Too many

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Speaker 1: options actually, and suddenly I have no interest in shopping. Hey,

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Speaker 1: did you say Josh Gibson works here?

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Speaker 2: I thought he was a baseball player.

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Speaker 6: He was, but when his family first moved to the North,

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Speaker 6: he wanted to be an electrician. I know it sounds weird,

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Speaker 6: but electricity was still considered a fairly new technology, so

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Speaker 6: it was a great trade to get into. And he

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Speaker 6: started as an elevator operator at Gimbals.

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Speaker 3: Gabe.

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Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt, but who's that teenager over by the

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Speaker 1: old timey elevator.

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Speaker 4: That's actually Josh Gibson.

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Speaker 6: He takes people up and down to different floors in

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Speaker 6: the store.

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Speaker 1: Oh, of course, an elevator operator.

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Speaker 3: Got it.

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Speaker 2: But how does he transition from this to baseball.

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Speaker 6: Well, this department store doesn't just have an irresponsible amount

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Speaker 4: They also have an amateur baseball team.

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Speaker 6: They do, yeah, they do, and it's called the gimbal Ac.

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Speaker 6: And that's how Josh Gibson started playing baseball.

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Speaker 2: He was only sixteen though.

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Speaker 6: That's true, but he took to the sport like a

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Speaker 6: fish to water. Josh knew how to keep his eye

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Speaker 6: on the ball and slam.

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Speaker 4: Crack knock it out of the park.

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Speaker 6: He was a home run king and in no time

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Speaker 6: at all, other local teams were eyeing this young prospect.

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Speaker 2: So did he quit his job to play baseball?

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Speaker 3: Not yet.

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Speaker 1: He kept his job at the department store while playing baseball.

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Speaker 4: He had to keep that job to make ends meet.

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Speaker 6: You see, at the time, there was a different league

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Speaker 6: for black players. It was known as the Negro League,

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Speaker 6: and Josh played for a less official Negro League team,

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Speaker 6: kind of like the minor leagues today.

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Speaker 2: And did he eventually go pro?

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Speaker 4: You bet.

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Speaker 6: His name and his fame grew and he eventually was

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Speaker 6: able to go professional, but it was almost by accident.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like an interesting.

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Speaker 4: Story, It is.

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Speaker 6: Hold tight, We're headed to the game where it all happened.

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Speaker 2: Gabe, we might be at the wrong baseball game. I

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Speaker 2: don't see Josh Gibson anywhere on the field.

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Speaker 4: That's because he was in the stands.

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Speaker 1: The stands, so he wasn't playing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's nineteen thirty and Josh is still playing in

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Speaker 6: the less official leagues.

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Speaker 4: But he was at this major league game as a fan.

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Speaker 2: I see him up there in the stands.

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Speaker 6: Josh and everyone else and then stadium was watching the

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Speaker 6: Homestead Grays, the best Pittsburgh team in the Negro League.

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Speaker 2: Gape, there are some seats open right behind Josh. Let's

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Speaker 2: watch the game from there.

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Speaker 4: Perfect. Hey, where'd you get all that food.

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Speaker 1: At the concession stand, Gabe Warehouse, dontorry. I got you

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Speaker 3: And a large drink.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Here are seats.

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Speaker 4: This is a lot of food.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: The batter is up and I can barely hear the

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Speaker 4: And here comes the bitch in a miss.

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Speaker 9: But oh, something's wrong with buck ewing the catch up

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Speaker 4: He seems to cut the pinch in the wrong way.

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Speaker 9: Pretty sure he's about to start screaming, ouch my hand,

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Speaker 9: I'm hurt and I can no longer play baseball today.

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Speaker 4: Och Well, buck you instead of game his day.

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Speaker 9: He is done playing baseball bart today and possibly tomorrow

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Speaker 4: Of I'm being honest the way he said out, who

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Speaker 6: Mmmm, niminy, This cotton candy is amazing, Gabe.

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Speaker 1: Please, I'm trying to watch the game and buck Ewing

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Speaker 4: Even worse, the Grays have no backup catcher.

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Speaker 3: What are they going to do?

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Speaker 2: No backup catcher? Well, you can't play baseball without a catcher.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows that.

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Speaker 3: Wait.

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Speaker 2: The coach for the Grays is walking toward us.

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Speaker 6: That's because there's an eighteen year old sitting in the

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: The coach is asking him to play.

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Speaker 2: And Josh is saying yes.

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Speaker 9: I actually can't believe what I'm saying. The Grays seem

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Speaker 3: And this kid's even play.

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Speaker 2: Gabe, I can't believe this is how Josh Gibson got

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Speaker 4: Fortune favors the prepared niminy.

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Speaker 2: Oh, of course it does. Why do you think I'm

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Speaker 6: Josh had such an incredible game that afterwards the Grays

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Speaker 4: Josh Gibson is up the bat, and he traveled the

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Speaker 6: And here's the bitch.

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Speaker 2: He can acts going coming, got.

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Speaker 5: Job, gets it absolute places fashion Harry Cleveland for that,

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Speaker 2: Games. What an incredible start to a career. What were

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Speaker 6: Well, unfortunately, Josh played in a time when black athletes

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Speaker 2: What so they don't know how many home runs he hit.

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Speaker 6: They have a decent idea. It's believed that he hit

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Speaker 6: four of those were against the top Negro league teams.

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Speaker 6: That's incredible, truly, But so much of Josh Gibson's story

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Speaker 4: You remember that ball that he smashed in Cleveland?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well some say it landed in Cincinnati the next day.

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Speaker 10: Wow.

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Speaker 6: And when history is a little hazy, some of the

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Speaker 4: Like the legend of what happened in Yankee Stadium?

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Speaker 2: What happened in Yankee Stadium.

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Speaker 4: Let's go watch.

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Speaker 6: Welcome to nineteen thirty four left field, Yankee Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, Josh is up at the plate.

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Speaker 4: Then we're right on time.

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Speaker 1: There goes the pit and Josh takes up big cut.

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Speaker 2: Oh he got a hold of that.

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Speaker 3: He's the lad that thing.

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Speaker 1: The ball is flying to a left field that's going

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Speaker 3: Leaving the stadium.

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Speaker 2: Goodness, Christ, just the great Josh Gibson has done it.

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Speaker 1: Now he is responsible for the only fair ball ever

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Speaker 6: Nemony, I had no idea you were such a fantastic

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Speaker 4: I'm a fast learner, I'll say.

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Speaker 1: You know, Gabe, it's awesome that there are all these

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Speaker 6: It's frustrating, all right, but even without stats, he lives

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Speaker 4: That's how good he was.

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Speaker 2: That's a neat way to think about it.

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Speaker 6: Some people call Josh Gibson the black Babe Ruth.

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Speaker 4: Others call Babe Ruth the white Josh Gibson.

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Speaker 2: I love that he ended his.

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Speaker 6: Career as the second highest paid player in the Negro

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Speaker 1: And I suppose today we are making a historical record

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Speaker 1: being honored. His song won't include tons of statistics, obviously,

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Speaker 1: that will never leave.

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Speaker 3: You a head.

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Speaker 4: Shall we head back then?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 2: Thanks Gabe, I got a.

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Speaker 4: Run, Good luck, Niminy, swing for the fences.

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Speaker 1: I always do, okay listening as a we're back, and

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Speaker 1: I am walking to the studio like Josh wakes from

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Speaker 1: the dugout to the play, excited, confident and ready to

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Speaker 2: Oh that was quick. Here we are at the studio.

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Speaker 2: Oh hey, Tina, are the musicians ready? Great time to

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Speaker 2: turn this piece of history into.

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Speaker 1: Music, featuring the incredible actor, rapper and singer Fergie l Philippe.

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Speaker 4: Okay, here's a finured that Josh Gibson.

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Speaker 9: I want to walk it off the map in a

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Speaker 9: long flame all the da field.

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Speaker 4: Someone's going going and smash slam.

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Speaker 5: Another one gone bash bam, Another one gone a crack

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Speaker 2: Another one gone.

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Speaker 4: Wait tune twenty stand and six foot one.

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Speaker 3: Got a date at the plate.

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Speaker 5: A big home run Bob pops off the state collect

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Speaker 5: the shot of a gun?

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Speaker 3: Is the man?

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Speaker 4: Is the legend? It is Josh good Son.

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Speaker 5: He so dynamic, his hits titanic, his swings like magic.

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Speaker 5: See him coming from the dugout of the team might panic.

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Speaker 5: The crowd is ecstatic, the end of so tragic. First

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Speaker 5: we go back to where it all began. Born to

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Speaker 4: Trained to be an electrician.

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Speaker 5: And that's where he might have stayed fixing electronics solar's days,

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Speaker 5: But he got a job at a place where a

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Speaker 5: to sharecroppers. But now he snare pop ups. He operated elevators.

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Speaker 5: Now he studied hitting hatters. That could be no imitators,

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Speaker 5: because I mean as an innovator and nobody great. He's

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Speaker 2: The craft good the bat and another one gone.

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Speaker 5: A tip bud the captain is another one gone, another

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Speaker 4: Here, another one gone. It's seventeen years.

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Speaker 5: He had eight hundred home ones, three sixty average lifetime.

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Speaker 5: That ain't oh hum canning on fifty off the base

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Speaker 5: path fall fund if the Negro league, but the same

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Speaker 5: but many claimed the babe with the white Josh Gibson.

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Speaker 5: So if you have some wisdom, you see he's in

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Speaker 5: They want him to stay in his place. Gibson handles

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Speaker 4: Keeps setting records, keeps.

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Speaker 5: Getting hits, falls into love, has a few kids places

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Speaker 5: around the world, from seed to seed. Still they never

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Speaker 5: let the man in the MLB smash Sam, another one gone,

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Speaker 4: A tip budd the cap because.

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Speaker 5: Another one gone, another one gone, another one gone, Who

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Speaker 5: another one gone, Yeah, another one gone. When Josh Gibson

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Speaker 5: was thirty two, he started getting head aches, got.

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Speaker 4: Some X raised, then some bad news the next day.

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Speaker 5: Kept playing for his hometown team, the Homestead Grace, But

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Speaker 4: There wasn't trus because of this, he'd be forgotten.

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Speaker 5: But his game still alics It's hall and the monograts

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Speaker 4: Even though another one's gone, He's still here, Still here,

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Speaker 4: Still here, He's still here, even though one another was gone.

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Speaker 9: He still here.

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Speaker 5: Smash slam, another one gone, bash damn, another one gone to.

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Speaker 4: Crack good back, and another one gone.

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Speaker 5: A tip but a cat because another one's gone, another

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Speaker 5: one gone, hey, another one gone, another one gone, even

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a few words for the

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Speaker 2: grown ups. Wow, that someone was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Also, there was a part of that tune that reminded

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Speaker 2: Listener, follow me to the giant fall in my backyard. Ah,

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Speaker 2: here we a Tina.

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Speaker 1: Do me a favor and dive into my time capsule

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Speaker 1: and grab the thing that looks like an old recording. Listeners,

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Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted to show you is a

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the speech was about history, but given

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Speaker 2: I'm way off data.

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Speaker 1: How are we looking fantastic, Tina, Let's play a little

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Speaker 7: I imagine I speak for all of us today when

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Speaker 7: I say that these last four years have been a blur.

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Speaker 7: Lots of late nights, lots of early mornings, and plenty

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Speaker 7: of looking for my glasses only to find that they

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Speaker 7: were on my head the whole time. The truth is,

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Speaker 7: As the poet An Michael says it. Quote, history and

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Speaker 7: memory share events. That is, they share time and space.

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Speaker 7: Every moment is two moments.

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Speaker 2: End quote.

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Speaker 7: Well, I dare say that in these four years of

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Speaker 1: And now we carry them both proudly as we head

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Speaker 2: Ugh, I barely remember saying any of that. Thank you, Tina.

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Speaker 2: I guess it was a pretty good speech.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, there was a lot more to it than I remembered.

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Speaker 1: A lot like Josh Gibson's story. When I think about it,

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's always more to the story than we can

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Speaker 2: Well, I could think about that for a long time.

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Speaker 10: I can.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Tina, what is it? Okay? Yeah, I know I'm

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Speaker 2: late as usual.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listeners, let's raise to the room inside my secret

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Speaker 1: underground bunker where I take all my most important video calls,

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Speaker 1: boot up the.

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Speaker 2: Computer, the internets, and here we go. Hi, Bob and Peyton,

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Speaker 2: can you introduce yourself.

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Speaker 10: Hi, my name is Bob Kendrick. I'm president of the

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Speaker 10: Negro League Baseball Museum in Kansas, City, Missouri, the world's

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Speaker 10: only museum dedicated to preserving and celebrating the rich history

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Speaker 10: of African American baseball and its profound impact on the

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Speaker 10: social advancement of America.

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Speaker 8: Hi, I'm Peyton and I'm ten years old. I just

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Speaker 8: love baseball all year round.

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Speaker 1: Peyton, what were you hoping to ask Bob about Josh Gibson?

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Speaker 8: So, mister Kendrick, I'm wondering why did it take so

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Speaker 8: long for the Negro League players to get recognized as

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Speaker 8: some of the greatest players of all time?

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Speaker 10: That is a great question. They toiled, I'd like to say,

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Speaker 10: in anonymity for so long, And I say that because

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Speaker 10: there were a lot of people who saw them play.

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Speaker 10: It just happened to be black. Later on, as we

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Speaker 10: get into the forties, before Jackie Robinson brace to color Arrea,

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Speaker 10: there were a lot of white fans who saw them

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Speaker 10: like too. But there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 10: still hold to the belief that if it didn't happen

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Speaker 10: in the major leagues, then it must not have happened.

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Speaker 10: And so we've been working so hard over the last

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Speaker 10: thirty years to make sure that people know who these

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Speaker 10: ballplayers were and how good they were and what they

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Speaker 10: contributed to the game, but just as important, what they

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Speaker 10: contributed to this country.

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Speaker 8: Is it true Josh Gibson hit eight hundred home runs

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Speaker 8: in the Negro leagues.

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Speaker 10: Honestly, Peyton, he probably hit more than that, and again

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Speaker 10: this was against all levels of competition, including the major leaguers.

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Speaker 10: I personally believe that Josh Gibson was the greatest hitter

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Speaker 10: this game has ever seen.

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Speaker 8: I would like to see more minorities play baseball because

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Speaker 8: I'm kind of one of the only African American black

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Speaker 8: kids on my team.

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Speaker 10: We understand that there are just not a lot of

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Speaker 10: black kids playing our game anymore. And the interesting thing

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Speaker 10: about that, Peyton, is baseball used to be our sport,

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Speaker 10: which is why we had a Negro league. You had

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Speaker 10: a league that was filled with black players and of

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Speaker 10: course some brown players because you had Hispanic. But after

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Speaker 10: baseball integrates and now Jackie Robinson and other black and

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Speaker 10: brown stars leave the Negro leagues to go into Major

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Speaker 10: League Baseball, that is what ultimately put the Negro leagues

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Speaker 10: out of this and then over time there became kind

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Speaker 10: of this separation, so to speak, from the African American

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Speaker 10: community and the game of baseball. It became very expensive

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Speaker 10: to play our sport. All the equipment is expensive, the

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Speaker 10: league fees are expensive. Now you'll be playing all these

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Speaker 10: travel teams and all of this kind of stuff where

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Speaker 10: a lot of kids, particularly those kids who are in

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Speaker 10: the urban court, they can't afford to play anymore. And

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Speaker 10: so we're working hard with Major League Baseball to do

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Speaker 10: everything we can to make sure that urban kids understand

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Speaker 10: their place in this game. And so when you walk

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Speaker 10: through the Negro League's Baseball Museum, what did you see?

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Speaker 10: You see people who look just like you who played

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Speaker 10: this game, and they played it as well as anyone

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Speaker 10: ever played this game. It's important that you see yourself

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Speaker 10: in this game.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, mister Kendrick for sharing all those great stories

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Speaker 8: with me.

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Speaker 10: Paidon was my pleasant and I've enjoyed hanging out with

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Speaker 10: you today.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Thank you both for this great conversation.

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Speaker 1: Listeners, thanks for joining in today and witnessing the greatness.

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Speaker 2: Of Josh Gibson with me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much to today's guests Bob and Drick, Fergie Philippe.

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Speaker 2: And Pitton, Remember parents and teachers.

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Speaker 1: You can download a free activity related to today's episode

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Speaker 1: by visiting story pirates dot Com slash Historical Records. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back next week with another episode, another song, and

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Speaker 1: another hero oute. But for now, there are a few

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Speaker 1: huge holes in the backyard of my top secret bunker

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Speaker 1: that I need to go fill in. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: remember to make history, you gotta make some noise.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 9: Historical Records is produced in partnership with Story Pirate Studios,

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Speaker 9: Questlove's two on five Entertainment John Glickman and iHeart Podcasts

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Speaker 9: and Benjamin Salka. Executive produced for iHeart Podcasts by Noel Brown.

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Speaker 9: Producers for Story Pirate Studios are Isabella Riccio, Sam Bear,

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Speaker 9: Producers for two one five are John G. Britney, Benjamin

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Speaker 9: and Sarah Zolman. Hosted by niminy Ware. Our head writer

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Speaker 9: is Duke Doyle. Our historians are Gabe Pacheco and Lee Polus.

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Speaker 9: Music supervision for two one five by Stroe Elliott. Scoring

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Speaker 9: and music supervision for Story Pirate Studios by Eric Gerson.

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Speaker 9: Sound designed and mixing by Sam Bear at the Relic

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Speaker 9: Room in New York City. Song mastering by Josh Hahn,

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Speaker 9: Theme song by Dan Foster and Eric Gerson and produced

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Speaker 9: by Eric Erson. Production coordination by Isabelle Riccio, Production management

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Speaker 9: by Maggie Lee. The line producer for Story Pired Studios

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Speaker 9: is Glennis Braut. Pr for Story Pirate Studios is provided

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Speaker 9: by Naomi Shaw. Episode artwork by Camilla Franklin. This episode

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Speaker 9: was written by Duke Doyle. The song Josh Gibson was

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Speaker 9: written by Dan Foster and produced by Eric Erson. Vocal

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Speaker 9: direction by Jack Mitchell, Special gut Spergie l Philippe, Bob Kendrick.

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Speaker 4: And kid interviewer Peyton.

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Speaker 9: This episode features performances by Nick Canalis, Peter McNerney, Lee Overtree,

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Speaker 9: and Gabe Pacheco. Special thanks to alex vespastav