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Speaker 1: our guest, Irene Lee, who at the time was an

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. First of all, I just want

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Speaker 1: I was walking to Starbucks in Little Tokyo by first

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Johnny Ken Show. How are you hi,

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Speaker 1: John Hi Ken, Thank you for having me on the show. Today.

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Speaker 1: All right, what's lay out the case for recalling Kevin

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Speaker 1: So the recall effort basically is a last resort, last

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Speaker 1: Now I'm I'm living in a district where we had

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Speaker 1: a warming shelter and they're losing digits. And colder part

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00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: of the country, colder parts of the country, people freezing

430
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: to death, this kind of thing, but you're seeing it

431
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: daily in tent encampments. I think um Uh and many

432
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: many parts of the country. Math used to be fifty

433
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: percent math and fifty percent other stuff. Now it's ninety

434
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Speaker 1: nine pure correct, And that has to do with the

435
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: way that they make it now, the way they had

436
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: to change. About twelve fourteen years ago, Mexican government put

437
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: a kabash on importations of the chemical they were using

438
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: to make methamphetaments. As a federn, which is found in

439
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: pseudo fed it's in a decontest and all that kind

440
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: of stuff. They really cut back dramatically on the mount

441
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: that they allowed to be imported. So the trafficking world

442
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: in Mexico, which had grown up around methampheedoment and saw

443
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: enormous profits from making their own drugs and not having

444
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: to plant anything, had to shift and they shifted to

445
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 1: a new method that isn't as easy to make, but

446
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: it does have one benefit, and that is you can

447
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 1: make the precursor chemical known as P two P penal

448
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: to propanone. You can make it with many different combinations

449
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: of chemicals, and these chemicals are widely available there industrial chemicals.

450
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: They're legal, they're widely available. They're toxic, and but that

451
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: means the government cannot crack down the way it did

452
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: on a Federan They cracked down on this way of

453
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: making P two P. You shift to another or to another,

454
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: and the truth is that they have control over the

455
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: shipping ports, particularly on the western side of Mexico, so

456
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: they can get any combinations of these chemicals they want.

457
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: This allowed them to do two things. The first thing

458
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: I understood from the beginning when I was writing my book,

459
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: and that was pursued such enormous quantities that they've now,

460
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: as they said, covered the country in areas where you

461
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: never saw a Mexican methom fedomen before, in the Midwest,

462
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: nor in New England, etc. All over the country. You're

463
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: finding this stuff now, and that's just a testament to

464
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: how much they're able to make. But along the way,

465
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Speaker 1: as I was doing the least of those, I came

466
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: to understand that there was another story, and that, along

467
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: with the prevalence of the huge quantities, was this metho

468
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: was also creating SOMs of schizophrenia, very intense paranoia, delusions, hallucinations.

469
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: Very quickly, people lose absolute control of their lives. They

470
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: can't live with anybody up there else they're up all night.

471
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: Very quickly they're homeless, and then very quickly they're in tenths,

472
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: because tenths are the perfect place if you are believe

473
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: the entire world's out to get you. You're so paranoid

474
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: on this stuff. The tent is like this nice little cartoon.

475
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: There's less a little pod. And as one guy told me,

476
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: he said, the last place you want to be when

477
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: you're on this meth is in a homeless shelter because

478
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: you're surrounded by people you don't know. Everyone's a threat,

479
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: everyone's your paranoid beyond words. And so what we've seen

480
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: is the rise in homelessness. Mental illness has really kind

481
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: of accompanied this meth as it is marched in these

482
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: staggering quantities all across the country, beginning really in about

483
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, twelve thirteen in the Midwest. It arrived about

484
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen eight up into New England by two thousand,

485
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: nineteen and and and so that was really the startling

486
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: reporting that I was doing. I couldn't believe what I

487
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: was seeing and put it truthfully, you talked to people

488
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: who are in all these different parts of the country,

489
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: and it's almost like they're telling the same story of

490
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: people very quickly descending into mental illness, paranoia, inability to

491
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: manage their lives intense or on the street screaming at

492
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: demons they don't and bicycles, hoarding bicycle parts and all

493
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It was a remarkable reporting experience

494
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: because I kept hearing the same stories over and over

495
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: and over all. Right, say, how doesn't this make the

496
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: case for a conservatorship then that we have to do

497
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: something because these people know. I think that's why you

498
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: were seeing cities begin to do that. You saw the

499
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: City of New York may or New York beginning to

500
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: do that. It it defies I would say this. Let

501
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: me say this that that's a policy that cities and

502
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: counties and states can argue about and people can debate.

503
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: I would say this, It does not seem reasonable to

504
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: assume that people on the street in the conditions addicted

505
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: to meth using fentanyl too. I mean, there's no one

506
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: drug people are using. It's a kind of a polypharmacy

507
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: out there that there is. There is no chance that

508
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: many of those people will ever find quote unquote the

509
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: readiness for treatment to say yes, I want to come

510
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: in and stay. A lot of people come in and

511
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: then the three days later they run back out. Um,

512
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: there's no chance that they will have the time to

513
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: develop the readiness for treatment while they're on the street.

514
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: Before me. This meth now so prevalent, so cheap, drives

515
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: them mad or and ben Fentinel kills them all right.

516
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: I hang on, Sam, hang on it, because I want

517
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: to talk about Fentinel too, because something else is remarkable.

518
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: In this interview, Sam Cannotice is our guest Teason, author

519
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: of the book The Least of Us True Tales of

520
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: America and Hope in the Time of Fentanyl and meth.

521
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: More coming up John and Ken Show KFIAM six forty

522
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: Live Everywhere the iHeartRadio app Our guest is Sam Canonis.

523
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: The book The Least of Us about the effects of drugs,

524
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: particularly meth, which we talked about in the last segment.

525
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: Especially it's an effect on the homeless population and they're

526
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Speaker 1: they're losing their instinct for self preservation. Sam wanted to

527
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: ask you about another part of the interview that you

528
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: did with New York Magazine and a paragraph that really

529
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: just stunned me. And moving now over to the newer

530
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: drug fentanyl. You said, there's a saying on the street

531
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Speaker 1: that I've heard it from several people that there is

532
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: no such thing as a long term street feentnyl user

533
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: like there was with heroin. There are people who use

534
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: heroin for thirty to forty years, but with fentanyl, everybody dies.

535
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: There may be people using it who function in societies

536
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: to some degree, but eventually everybody dies. But that's a

537
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: pretty tragic It has to do though, with the fact

538
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: that in order to sell Sentinel you have to mix it,

539
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: and that people on the street, even traffickers in Mexico

540
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: who have then gotten much better at mixing it, still

541
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: are far from perfect. Centinel is so potent that a

542
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: few the equivalent of a few grain fentel, few grains

543
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: of like salt, say, would make you high, and a

544
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: couple more would kill you. And so you can't sell

545
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: a few grains on the street. So you have to

546
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: mix it with something else. And the problem is that

547
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: the mix is always bad. You never know what the

548
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: mix is, even if you have a high tolerance, you're

549
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: never quite sure. And the drug is so potent that

550
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: that frequently that's this is what happens. The guy who

551
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: first told me that there's no such thing as a

552
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: long term fentinyl user is himself dead from a fentinyl

553
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: sentinel overdose. And and that is really the case. Again,

554
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's And the fact is too that we're

555
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: seeing now Fentinel because it's so cheap and so potent,

556
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: it's being used now to bump or boost up other

557
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: other drugs, cocaine and methem sediment, and to some degree.

558
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: We're seeing now examples of it being dusted into onto

559
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: marijuana as well. And of course you're seeing Fentinel in

560
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: all these counterfeit pills that are coming in from Mexico

561
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: that first looked like oxycodon generic thirty milligram press blues

562
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: but now and percocets and fan X bars and now

563
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: have many colors. But all of this, I want to

564
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: stress it seems to me very clearly from my reporting,

565
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: this is all a function of the enormous supplies that

566
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: they're able to produce down in Mexico. And again, Sentinel

567
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: and math are both now nationwide. I was talking with

568
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: a guy in Maine who's now in recovery, but he's

569
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: he's a heroin addict and Maine, and all of a sudden,

570
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: Fentinel was it, and he couldn't find any heroine at all.

571
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: We are, we are probably about a year or two

572
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: away from seeing like no heroine at all, real heroine

573
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: at all on the streets of America. We're almost We're

574
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: almost there. It's just been outcompeted by Fentinel. It seems

575
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: like the death toll has a potential to explode. It's possible.

576
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I'm not seeing wal Fentinel is

577
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: out there. I don't like to predict the future, particularly

578
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: now when it's horrifying news like this. But you know,

579
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: there's the amounts of Sentinel just simply increased. You're finding

580
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: it more parts of the country. Pretty much everywhere in

581
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: the country. I would say, with some exceptions. I guess

582
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: Baltimore an amazing story. I think Baltimore has been a

583
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: heroine town since the sixties. But the tests that they're

584
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: doing on people who overd us now, are you know,

585
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: eighty five percent ninety percent, maybe upwards of eighty five

586
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: percent are on Fentinel And there's really kind of no

587
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: more heroine in Baltimore, where where they made the great

588
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: show The Wire several years ago. You're seeing this all over.

589
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: The ingredients for Sentinel in meths are they coming from

590
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: China primarily? Yes, but you know, yeah, right exactly. But

591
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: but the truth is, you know, if you control the

592
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: shipping ports, and there are two of them on the

593
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: western side of Mexico that are the principal ones, although

594
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: the airport in Mexico City is a big player in

595
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: this too, but Salt of Arizona about two Day tribe,

596
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: you reach these two very very large ports through which

597
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: all this stuff comes. All kinds of retail comes frommer items, etcetera, etcetera,

598
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: things that are used in manufacturing other larger things, car parts, etcetera. Whatever.

599
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: But you get there are a lot of chemicals and

600
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: and so all of that's coming well, a lot of

601
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: it is coming from China, although my sources in the

602
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: DA tell me that there's India is now becoming a

603
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a bigger player. But the truth is

604
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: it could be other countries as well. You know, it

605
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be just China or India. It just

606
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: happens to be more convenient. Have you heard of stuff

607
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: is coming into Long Beach in San Pietro. My understanding

608
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: is that there that there are not per se but

609
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: but the pills. What I what I have heard is

610
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: that um and seeing in reports from from the border,

611
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: is that the pills now are coming in in quantities

612
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: that simply boggled I mean, they boggled my mind. I've

613
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: just stunned sometimes to see that. The seizures. Remember in

614
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen in San Diego, there was the

615
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: first seizure of Mexican trafficked pills that contain only phantomo

616
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: counterfeit pills that contain only Fentomo and Sandia twelve thousand pills, okay,

617
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: And everyone was high five and then of each other.

618
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: And then the next week it was eighteen. And then

619
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: in Phoenix a month later, two months later it was thirty.

620
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: Now you're seeing one border crossing like in Nogalis in

621
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Speaker 1: Arizona of three, three or four hundred thousand pills sees

622
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Speaker 1: almost daily um and then of course of a week

623
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Speaker 1: those season like a million or something like that. I mean,

624
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: it's just it's a remarkable thing. There's this enormous rush

625
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: towards a manufacturer. Is this too overwhelming for even the

626
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: federal government to take on? Is? Does anyone have a

627
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: desire to do it? Well? I believe it has kind

628
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: of graduated to that level. I don't think any president

629
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: in recent years has done much about this, and and

630
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: but it has graduated beyond simply like a drug issue

631
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: the way we've commonly thought about it, to something that amounts.

632
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it feels as much as as it

633
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: feels like a drug issue, it feels like a national poisoning.

634
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: And now would really rise to another to another level.

635
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: But again you've seen both the Trump administration and the

636
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: Biden in the administration essentially do very little about this,

637
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: in part I think because Mexico has done a lot

638
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: to curtail the immigration coming from from Mexico and has

639
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: done a lot to keep keep migrants from other parts

640
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: of Latin America in Mexico. That kind of thing. There's

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Speaker 1: these drugs and such staggering quantities. All right, Sam, thank

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