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Speaker 1: FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal with us and he's a

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Speaker 1: boxing reporter. This week, that's what it felt like with

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Speaker 1: Trek Scoobel and the Players Association against the Tigers in

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, and the result is Schooble and his

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Speaker 1: Cy Young Awards physically win. Ken, you wrote this morning

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Speaker 1: about the heavyweight fight. Can you enlighten us with more?

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Speaker 2: Yes? And basically what I wrote is that by overreaching

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Speaker 2: with what they offered, the Tigers and Major League Baseball's

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Speaker 2: labor relations department set themselves up to fail. And that

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Speaker 2: was my opinion. It's an opinion, it's not a fact, obviously,

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Speaker 2: but it seems to me that you had to offer

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Speaker 2: Trek Scooble more than nineteen million. You had to do

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Speaker 2: that before. When you were making your initial offers, they

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Speaker 2: were only slightly above David Price's record nineteen point seventy

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Speaker 2: five million in the initial offers, and then in the exchange,

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Speaker 2: when you go off for nineteen million, school book comes

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Speaker 2: back with thirty two million. If they had been higher,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, their position would have been more defensible.

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Speaker 2: You had to get well above Price eleven years after

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Speaker 2: he sets that record. And when you didn't do that. Granted,

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Speaker 2: three person arbitration panel, you never know how they're going

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Speaker 2: to rule exactly, but it seemed to me it's schooble

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Speaker 2: because he had the right as a five plus player

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Speaker 2: to compare himself to all players, not just those in

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Speaker 2: his service class. Well, then you're bringing in free agent salaries,

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Speaker 2: you're bringing in Blake's now in his thirty one million

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Speaker 2: thirty eight million dollar deal. However, you want to look

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Speaker 2: at it before or after deferrals, and he had a

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Speaker 2: really strong case at that point. So it seemed to

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Speaker 2: me that again MLB, with the Tigers and MLB as

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Speaker 2: a heavy influence in this process, they sought to make

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Speaker 2: their point and their point was not going to carry

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Speaker 2: the day. Did not carry the day as it turned out. Ten.

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Speaker 3: You're bringing an opinion, So here's my opinion. Tell me

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Speaker 3: if I'm wrong or not. Majorally, Baseball was okay losing

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Speaker 3: this because of how low of a number they went.

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Speaker 3: They don't like the arbitration process. Was this almost like

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Speaker 3: a oh man, we totally lost moment. Oh next next CBA,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna go ahead and nix it.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Eric, I agree with you that they're not crushed

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Speaker 2: by this in any sense of the word, but not

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Speaker 2: for the reason that you just described that it's going

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Speaker 2: to be eliminated in the next CBA. I'm sure they

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Speaker 2: would want to do that with a salary cap coming

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Speaker 2: in and the arbitration system either going away or changing dramatically.

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Speaker 2: But the reason why I don't believe they are that

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Speaker 2: upset is because school Bolt was a rare guy five

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Speaker 2: plus player, right one year away from free agency and

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Speaker 2: coming off back to back cy Young Awards. How often

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Speaker 2: are we going to see that going forward? We may

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Speaker 2: see it with Paul Skens and that would be the

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Speaker 2: test case, but you're not going to see it all

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Speaker 2: that often. There's only been I believe, twelve players in

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Speaker 2: history who won back to back cy Young Awards, and

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Speaker 2: none before Schoogle as a five plus player. So I'm

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Speaker 2: sure they would rather have won than lost, of course,

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Speaker 2: But are they devastated. No. At the same time, to

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Speaker 2: me and I wrote these words, it's a major blow

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Speaker 2: because you lost, and you lost a very high profile case,

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Speaker 2: and you lost again in my opinion, because they just

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Speaker 2: didn't go far enough with what they were offering before

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Speaker 2: and after the exchange date.

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Speaker 4: With all these points that.

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Speaker 5: There you go with all the points that you brought up,

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Speaker 5: and I know Kratzy's talking about the CBA and everything else,

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Speaker 5: Like for me, I'm like, this is a huge, huge

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Speaker 5: win for the players expression arbitration is so hard to

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Speaker 5: win these things, and to see how big a difference

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Speaker 5: it was from thirty two to nineteen, I think we

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Speaker 5: got like Paul Skein's probably sitting back like, oh baby,

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Speaker 5: this is really good, and some upcoming players like this

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Speaker 5: is a huge number for players.

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Speaker 4: I just don't understand.

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Speaker 5: I think it's it's a lot deeper, and I think

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Speaker 5: the brass in Major League Baseball, I think that this

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Speaker 5: hurts some big time. I mean, do you see it

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Speaker 5: but it's really not. But I feel like it's a

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Speaker 5: huge win for the players, Todd.

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Speaker 2: I see it from both perspectives that I just described.

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Speaker 2: A huge blow in the sense that you lost a

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Speaker 2: high profile case, not a huge blow in terms of

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Speaker 2: what it will mean going forward, because it was such

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Speaker 2: a specific profile that Schooble filled. Now at the same time,

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Speaker 2: looking at it from the reverse side, the player's side,

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Speaker 2: as you just described, Yes, it's a huge win. This

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Speaker 2: is a record for an arbitration eligible player. Wan Soto

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Speaker 2: had that record at thirty one million. Schooble now surpasses

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Speaker 2: it at thirty two million. And the other thing it did,

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Speaker 2: and this could help in the future, especially with three

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Speaker 2: to four your players who are arbitration and have special

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Speaker 2: accomplishments like schemes. It raised the bar for pitchers. It

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Speaker 2: finally brought the pitchers, at least the elite ones, the

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Speaker 2: very elite ones, up to the level of position players.

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Speaker 2: And one of the problems in arbitration over the years

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Speaker 2: that I know has frustrated the player's side is that

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Speaker 2: they've been unable to advance pitchers salaries in that process

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Speaker 2: as rapidly as position players. So yes, this does help

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Speaker 2: correct that. But again I will say it's a very

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Speaker 2: specific case. It's a guy who is five plus and

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Speaker 2: it's a guy with back to back Cy Young's. You

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Speaker 2: still't see that very often.

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Speaker 4: Now let's go to the Tigers a little bit more.

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Speaker 5: Here, Valdez gets picked up three years, one hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifteen million. School boy got his money. How do you

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Speaker 5: see this Tigers team now moving forward? I feel like,

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Speaker 5: you know, in those kind of meetings in the room,

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Speaker 5: they're gonna bash you all the way through. You think

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Speaker 5: Tarek Scooble is going to be that Guy's like, I

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Speaker 5: forget this. I'm gonna play my game, not worry about

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Speaker 5: anything else because of the Bologne that they went through.

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Speaker 5: Do you see this Tigers team making a push for

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Speaker 5: the playoffs and getting back in and making some damage again, Well.

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Speaker 2: Trek Scooble was most likely going to go to be

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Speaker 2: a free agent anyway, and most likely is going to

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Speaker 2: try to win his third straight Cy Young Award. No

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Speaker 2: matter what they said in the room. That's his makeup.

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Speaker 2: That's all players makeups. They want to be the best

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Speaker 2: they can be, and they're not gonna listen to some attorneys.

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Speaker 2: This was outside council arguing the case for the Tigers,

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Speaker 2: not the Tigers themselves. They're not gonna worry and be

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Speaker 2: hurt by anything, especially in Schoobl's case. He won, so

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Speaker 2: there's no reason for him to carry a grudge. But

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Speaker 2: certainly it will only, I'm sure, add to his motivation

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Speaker 2: and certainly also the team. Now, as I wrote the

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Speaker 2: day before, they do not intend trade Tarrek Schoobel. They

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Speaker 2: to win, and in speaking to a person who has

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Speaker 2: briefed on their plans, he repeated that to me. He said,

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Speaker 2: but Valdez is pretty good himself and has been an

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Speaker 2: ace on a World Series team. Obviously they got a

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Speaker 2: nice one to two punch. And I wrote, in addition

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Speaker 2: to hearing from that person who had knowledge of the

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Speaker 2: Tigers thought process, it makes no logical sense to trade Schooble.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna do that now and your fans are going

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Speaker 2: to revolt. Now, yes, you're only going to get a

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Speaker 2: draft pick back for him in return if you carry

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Speaker 2: him through the season and then of course offer him

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Speaker 2: a qualifying offer. But that's the chance you take trying

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Speaker 2: to win. And people have said, well, they can still

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Speaker 2: trade him at the deadline. I don't expect the Tigers

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Speaker 2: to be out of contention in the Ales Central at

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Speaker 2: any stage of this season.

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Speaker 3: Based on reading your article from today, seems like you

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Speaker 3: talk to people who are in the room or briefed

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Speaker 3: on what happened in the room. Did you get any

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Speaker 3: inkling or any any actual words that were said in

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Speaker 3: the case for Major League Baseball again, Arrek Scooble, because

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was a joke kind of going around

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Speaker 3: that like he threw the ball between his legs to

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Speaker 3: don't know what they could have said.

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Speaker 2: I saw some of those tweets myself, Eric, and they

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Speaker 2: were very clever. My understanding without knowing specifically what was

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Speaker 2: pointing out is that he is more comparable to in particular,

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Speaker 2: Jacob de Gram. Jacob de Gram had the previous highest

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Speaker 2: raise in arbitration. It was I believe nine point four million.

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Speaker 2: I might be wrong about that in that range, and

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Speaker 2: they were saying, well, if da Graham got that raise,

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Speaker 2: then Schooble should only get a similar raise. His would

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Speaker 2: have been with nineteen million dollars salary eight point eight

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Speaker 2: five million. So that was the argument. Not so much

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Speaker 2: Terrek Scougle's no good. I don't know that you can

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Speaker 2: make that case. But even the argument invoking de Gram

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Speaker 2: five plus. And again, a five plus player you can

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Speaker 2: know hearings can get like that. AJ's talked about his

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Speaker 2: maybe they pointed out a few things. I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: And there was a lot of confusion about how all

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Speaker 1: of this works. I mean, I saw people that know

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Speaker 1: based on special accomplishments, the five plus the whole deal.

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Speaker 1: And now the aftermath from some people is, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: Schoobl's his own case and schemes, but everyone else will

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Speaker 1: still be in the same realm, And it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: I disagree on that one, because you can compare arbitration

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Speaker 1: if you're a few notches below in the future, there's

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Speaker 1: a big gap between Prices nineteen and Schoobles thirty two.

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Speaker 1: So my question for you is do you think that

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Speaker 1: MLB will try and battle this in the next CBA.

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Speaker 1: This clearly seems like something that MLB is against and

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Speaker 1: the players are for, because you go to a panel

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Speaker 1: and you tell a narrative versus a number, which I

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Speaker 1: believe was proposed in the last CBA. Morey Brown, who's

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Speaker 1: job for Forbes, said he thinks this will further spur

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Speaker 1: them to make this a big point in the CBA,

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Speaker 1: not the top, but obviously one of their big points

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Speaker 1: to get rid of this, or to at least tweak it.

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Speaker 2: It has always been a point for them, and I

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Speaker 2: believe I have a line in the column saying they

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Speaker 2: can go after the system as they've done in the past.

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Speaker 2: I don't expect that to be any different. I expect them, maybe,

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Speaker 2: going to a salary cap, which is obviously what they're

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Speaker 2: going to propose or at least try to get involved

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Speaker 2: with then, and you're not going to have arbitration in

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Speaker 2: is now anyway, So yes they will try. And yes

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Speaker 2: I'm not writing fiction, first of all, and I'm also

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine. First of all, I did not hear

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Speaker 1: It is Ken, Thank you very much. Fascinating week for

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys. Chalut.

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Speaker 1: We've got power rankings, super duper early ones. SEEBS put

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Speaker 1: Dodgers one, Brewers, two Blue Jays, three Cubs, four Yankees,

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Speaker 1: How did they do?

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Speaker 5: I think they missed one key team on here. I

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Speaker 4: Where's the Orioles at Oh?

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Speaker 1: Where are my?

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Speaker 1: Did I just say you're on the train? Now?

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Speaker 4: Just hop on the train.

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Speaker 1: On the train.

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Speaker 5: First, when you pick up one of the most prolific

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Speaker 4: Undercover pickup Shane Boz.

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Speaker 4: He's pumping weights left and right.

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Speaker 5: my goodness, gracious, this changes everything. I'd take the Braves out.

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Speaker 5: I would take the Braves.

433
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Speaker 3: I would, I would. I would spot your I think

434
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 3: you're spot on with that. I think the Braves can

435
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 3: be shoot. I think the Braves can be second or

436
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 3: third best team in the league for sure. There's a

437
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 3: lot of canby though, there's a lot of canby if

438
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 3: this does. It was so it was so unlucky that

439
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 3: the Braves last year said, okay, five six of our

440
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 3: starters all got hurt like that is ridiculous. That's not

441
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 3: gonna happen again. All five or six of those starters

442
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 3: aren't gonna have cy young years though. Either they upgraded

443
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 3: in their bullpen with Robert Suarez. They brought back Iglacia,

444
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: who was unbelievable. He was great at the end of

445
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 3: the season. But sixth, I don't think. I don't think

446
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 3: they're six to me, I think the Mets and Phillies

447
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: are above them. Right now and they have to prove it.

448
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 3: I still think they're a playoff team. But really the biggest,

449
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 3: the biggest on this list is the Brewers. Like I'm

450
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: not sure what CBS was doing with this one. How

451
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 3: they had them up there. They were, they had the

452
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 3: most wins in the National League. I get that they

453
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: got rid of they got rid of pieces and added

454
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 3: what did they add again? I mean they added Did

455
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: they get Nolan McClain from the Mets for Freddie Peralta. No,

456
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: they got Brandon Sproute, who could be great. Obviously, I'm

457
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 3: not kicking the Brewers out of the top ten because

458
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: of what they've done and because of my love for

459
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 3: the Brewers, I will not kick them out of the

460
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 3: top ten. The Braves are kicked out top ten. And

461
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: if we could put the list of one time I

462
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 3: had a little bit of a switcher route, I think

463
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: the Mariners, whatever order it is, I think the Mariners

464
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: are better than the Yankees currently. I think how they

465
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 3: come into the season, they're better than the Yankees. I

466
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: think the Cubs are They're a little bit. I think

467
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: they're a little bit inflated on this list. Are they

468
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 3: the second best National League team? Because I kicked the

469
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: Brewers out. No, I think that. I think that falls

470
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 3: to the Phillies. Are Mets still until the Cubs prove

471
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 3: that they can have a great season. Is Alex Bregman

472
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: taking over for what Kyle Tucker did the beginning of

473
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: the season last year? Like you know, to me, I

474
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 3: think there's a there's a pecking order in the National League,

475
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: and I still think it runs through the National League East,

476
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: after you have after you have the Dodgers, so I think,

477
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 3: and I think the Mariners are ahead of the Yankees.

478
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 3: I think the Mariners are the second best team. And

479
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: I think maybe there's a world and I don't know

480
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: who I kick out or the Tigers should be top

481
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: ten just because they have a power packed lineup, our

482
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: power packed rotation. They didn't add to their lineup. And

483
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: I know this list came out before Framber Valdez was signed,

484
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 3: but you know, so that's where I would That's where

485
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: I would change. But if you told me at Tigers

486
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: are eleven, I'd be cool with that too.

487
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Speaker 4: H agreed.

488
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: I like a lot of what you said. Do you

489
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: want to see the bottom ten?

490
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: Yes?

491
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: Please?

492
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: Because I think there's some wrong ones on the bottom ten.

493
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: We're going from worst to not as bad thirty Rockies

494
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: twenty nine, Nationals, White Sox at twenty eight, Angels twenty seven,

495
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: Twins check in at twenty six. We put the Cardinals

496
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: or CBS did at twenty five, Pirates go to twenty four,

497
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: Marlins twenty three, Raising Florida next to them twenty two,

498
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: and the A's at twenty one.

499
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of who should be down there

500
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 4: that it's not there right now.

501
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: I think he's smart. Alecan has a name.

502
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 4: What do you got, Crothy?

503
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 3: I don't think the Pirates should be in there. I

504
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: think the Pirates have done enough to improve their team,

505
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: and they still have Paul Skins. Like the record, the

506
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 3: record or the stat that if the Pirates have scored

507
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: three or more runs in every one of Paul skien starts,

508
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: he'd be forty three to one. Like this team's offense

509
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: has improved, has their defense declined? I don't know. That's

510
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: hard to say. Maybe maybe there's a there's going to

511
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 3: be a drop off there, but with Paul Skiing's at

512
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 3: the top, I think anything is possible. I don't think

513
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: the Pirates are in that bottom ten. I also don't

514
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 3: think the A's of Sacramento. The Aths are in the

515
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 3: bottom ten. I think they did think every Mason Miller, absolutely,

516
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: JP Sears was a quality starter for them. I know

517
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: as Era wasn't great. I just think they started to

518
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 3: acclimate to playing in a Triple A park and how

519
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 3: they can use that to their advantage the last two

520
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 3: months of the season.

521
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: I think it.

522
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: I think it goes into this season. I think some

523
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: of their guys have There's there's the whole contract boost.

524
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: You get a contract and all of a sudden, you're

525
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 3: not like you're not sleeping at night. Oh man, if

526
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get sent down a Triple A Wait a minute,

527
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: I'm already playing in a Triple A park.

528
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: Wait.

529
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: You know. It's just some of their guys are now

530
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: solidified in their roles, and I think they're I think

531
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: they're not. I don't think they're a top top or

532
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: bottom ten team.

533
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 5: Well, there's one team I think that should be in there.

534
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 5: I would say Tampa Bay had the chance of being

535
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 5: in Oh they are in there.

536
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: Now they are in there.

537
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 5: I'm struggling today. I think I think the power should

538
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 5: be there. Honestly, I mean, listen, what have they done.

539
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 5: They have Paul Skins, Yeah, and they still can't find

540
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 5: ways to win. Yeah. Did they get a couple of guys,

541
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 5: of course they did. But you can't tell me that

542
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 5: they're a top twenty team right now. I mean, listen,

543
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 5: they're on the bottom of the list in the NL

544
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 5: Central each year. They can't find a way to dig

545
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 5: out of there, and they hurt themselves at the end

546
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 5: of the day. So they didn't really get that much

547
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 5: big of names, and it's just gonna be the Pirates

548
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 5: of old.

549
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: Make Crats do what he's supposed to do, which is

550
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: if he is going to defend a team and say

551
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: the Pirates deserve to be twenty or better, I'm fine

552
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: with that. But you know the game. If you think

553
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: the A's and the Pirates do not belong on the

554
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: bottom ten list that is put together by CBS, you

555
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: must help them replace those two teams. There needs to

556
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: be a bottom ten. It's not easy. Trust me, I

557
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: went through the extra.

558
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: Give me a sack here, hang on, hang on, I'm.

559
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: Telling you it's not going to be easy. We can

560
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: literally go through the teams, it doesn't even take that long,

561
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: and you're going to struggle to find teams that replace them.

562
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: I'm looking I'm looking through my you can go through,

563
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: but I'm also looking through.

564
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: I can, but I think the exercise is fun to

565
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: do it this way. Okay, So you're not putting the

566
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: the Braves in there, right, they were borderline on the

567
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: top ten. The Diamondbacks, so you're putting them in the

568
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: bottom ten. I'm not Cubs, Red Sox Orioles. We're good.

569
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: They're not touching that list. White Sox are already in it.

570
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm not putting the Reds in there. I'm not putting

571
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: the Guardians in there, not a bottom ten. Rockies are

572
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: in there already. Not putting the Tigers, not the Astros

573
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: for me, not the Royals, Angels are already in there,

574
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: Dodgers obviously. I'm just going.

575
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: Down twice twice.

576
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: Ls are in there already. Brewers are not going in there.

577
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: Twins are in there already, Mets and Yankees and Phillies

578
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: are not going in there. Pirates are in there already.

579
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: We're almost done with the list of teams. Padres are

580
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: not going in there. I don't think the Giant should

581
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: be in there. Mariners are obviously not in there. Cardinals

582
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: are already in there. Rays are already in there. I'm

583
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: not putting the Rangers in there or the Blue Jays

584
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: and the Nats are already in there. It is a perfect

585
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: bottom ten. It is perfect. They nailed it. It is

586
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: very difficult to agree.

587
00:29:59,520 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 5: To your point.

588
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: You can move a couple of teams.

589
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: That's fine, you know, to like, you.

590
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 5: Know, put the Pirates of twenty two behind the Athletics,

591
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 5: that kind of deal. You can do that kind of thing.

592
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: But I don't. I guess, yeah, I don't. I don't

593
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 4: see anybody else going in.

594
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: No Sunny Days in the chat said Diamondbacks are definitely

595
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: bottom ten. I mean that's fine. I respect opinions, but

596
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't agree. I think that they could get close

597
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: to that. But I don't agree that they're bottom ten.

598
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair. I mean, I mean I can I

599
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: can definitely, I can see the Rangers. I can see

600
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: the Rangers maybe sliding in there, unless they completely change

601
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: the culture and unless Nimo is that shot in the

602
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: arm for the offense. I think, you know, there's a

603
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: possibility there. But that rotation was ridiculous. So yeah, you're right,

604
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: I would say I can't. I can't replace them, so

605
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: I can't take any of them.

606
00:30:52,920 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: Out over under Marlins bet MGM saying seventy two and

607
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: a half, Where are we going?

608
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 4: This is close? I don't think I think they'll be

609
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 4: under five hundred. But how far.

610
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: Big gap between seventy two and a half and eighty

611
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: one wins which is five hundred? Do you think they'll

612
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: fill in that gap? They traded away some pitching, they'll

613
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: probably trade away more pitching in Sandy al Contra. But

614
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: they kind of surprised some people last year. They won

615
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: seventy nine games this past season.

616
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 4: Man, you guys put me on the spot here, Why

617
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: don't you.

618
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: Just talk about shock taking.

619
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna say under but really close, I'm gonna

620
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 5: say under under. Okay, I think that n AL least

621
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 5: is a gauntlet. I think it's some really good squads.

622
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 5: Want to see them when I like the Miami Mons,

623
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 5: I like the organization, like everything about them, But I

624
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 5: would say closer to seventy I would little under seventy wins?

625
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: What do you like everything about them? What is what

626
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: is the like about them? Like I like some.

627
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 4: Dudes on the team.

628
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 5: You're gonna you're gonna gonna speak up or you're gonna

629
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 5: speak out, let's go.

630
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I like, I like some of the dudes

631
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: on the team. But that's why I'm taking That's why

632
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: I'm taking the over is because I think this is

633
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: under set, way way too low. I think if they

634
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: had said, like seventy four seventy five, I would have

635
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: been like, Okay, they won seventy seventy nine games last year.

636
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: Seventy nine games last year, and I think you sit

637
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: there and you go, okay, yes, I get it. They

638
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: got rid of their best pitcher from last year in

639
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: Edwar Cabrera, but that's what they've been doing. They've been

640
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: pumping out pitching and supposedly they have pitching galore coming

641
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: from the minor leagues. I think this is a seventy

642
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: I think it's a seventy four to six six win team,

643
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: and so I'm taking the over. I'm not taking as

644
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: big of the over as I have taken, but I

645
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: really like this one. I think they showed that they

646
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: can win games, and they're some of their position players

647
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: have really taken the next steps. And you have another

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Speaker 3: I love it. But I'm not putting any money on it,

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Speaker 3: because they could get rid of another picture, they could

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Speaker 3: and I'm so nervous about it. But they could also

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Speaker 1: Marlins have done just about zip zero nothing too. Don't

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Speaker 3: Did a lot. I can't even mention the same the

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Speaker 3: They're hauling there and they earn it.

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Speaker 1: seventy one nine wins last year, Nationals are going to suck.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I think it could be a hook.

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Speaker 5: You man, I'm going against. I think people are putting

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Speaker 1: Who's winning the super Bowl on Sunday? Where do I

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: coin toss. I'm locking that in right now.

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Speaker 4: ever on.

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Speaker 1: I'm not touching that one. It's too much time.

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Speaker 3: I'm easily swayed. I can go tails.

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Speaker 4: No, let's go let's talk about you want heads, I

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Speaker 4: want tails.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do an hour post show, all right, we'll

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Speaker 1: just three to four. We'll talk heads or tails