Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and thank you for tuning in to another
Speaker 1: episode of the House of Alleywell. I'm Brian Krause, and
Speaker 1: I come to you this evening with a heavy heart
Speaker 1: to learning the news of Shannon Dougherty's passing just yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 1: I know all of us here at the House of halliwell, iHeartMedia,
Speaker 1: social media all over the world is shocked, devastated. Too young,
Speaker 1: too talented, too loving, too grateful, too early. Shannon will
Speaker 1: dearly be missed, and we are so honored that she
Speaker 1: had come on with us, had us along with her
Speaker 1: on this new incantation of the House. I highly well.
Speaker 1: We were lucky enough to record four episodes in the
Speaker 1: last week or so, and Shannon was just so motivated
Speaker 1: and determined to help make this show a success and
Speaker 1: give all of you more insight into what it was
Speaker 1: in the making and the fun and the behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of Charmed. And when Shannon wanted to get something done,
Speaker 1: she got it done. And that's something I learned a
Speaker 1: long time ago watching her on set and work and
Speaker 1: be such a professional and so good at what she did.
Speaker 1: She's had her last life long lasting impression on me.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm bumbling a little. I find it hard
Speaker 1: to say everything I want to say, so perhaps I'll
Speaker 1: leave you off with this. I know how grateful Shannon
Speaker 1: was as I was lucky enough to travel with her
Speaker 1: to many different places and comic cons and go backstage
Speaker 1: and hear from her the things that affected her emotionally joyously.
Speaker 1: It gave her so much emotionally meeting the fan and
Speaker 1: hearing the stories and knowing how much it meant to
Speaker 1: all of you, it filled her greatly. And I know
Speaker 1: that she believed in the House of Hallowell to be
Speaker 1: the little bit that she was able to give back,
Speaker 1: and so all of us here at the House of Hallewell,
Speaker 1: I want to honor that and we are going to
Speaker 1: continue on in her name kick freaking ass, because that's
Speaker 1: what she would do. And so from us at the
Speaker 1: House of halliwell, I love you, and we thank you,
Speaker 1: and please keep sharing it in your prayers and all
Speaker 1: our family, and take care of yourself and I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy this next episode as much as I do.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, Welcome to another episode of House of Hellowell.
Speaker 3: Episode one uh formerly knows as a pilot something Wika
Speaker 3: this way comes from here to October seventh, nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4: The synopsis to this episode.
Speaker 3: The series kicks off with the Hallewell sisters back under
Speaker 3: one roof despite some sisterly druma. Meanwhile, a killer is
Speaker 3: on the loose in San Francisco and Prue's ex boyfriend,
Speaker 3: Inspector Andy, is on the case. Phoebe finds the Book
Speaker 3: of Shadows in the attic, and all three sisters suddenly
Speaker 3: have magical powers. When Piper's boyfriend ends up being a
Speaker 3: warlock in disguise, the sisters come to terms with the
Speaker 3: fact that life will never be the same.
Speaker 2: Holly, I'm going to turn this over to you because
Speaker 2: you guys are the pros that know how to do
Speaker 2: a rewatch of a rewatch of a rewatch. I've never
Speaker 2: done this before.
Speaker 4: Well did you enjoy it the rewatch? Yeah? I did?
Speaker 4: You did? Did you watch everything like I did? Like
Speaker 4: I know we got dailies. I watched every second of
Speaker 4: Daily's do you mean when we were filming the show.
Speaker 4: I don't remember if you watched them or not.
Speaker 2: Like occasionally, but really only the episodes I directed.
Speaker 4: So I watched Daily's every second of them, and then
Speaker 4: I would watch every episode once only, so everybody else
Speaker 4: in the world is clearly very ahead of us.
Speaker 2: I don't like watching dailies because I feel that when
Speaker 2: I watch dailies, I become very conscious of certain things
Speaker 2: that I do, and I think, as you do, it's
Speaker 2: not good for you, like I think it restricts you
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. I watched the very first
Speaker 2: day of dailies just to see if the lighting was
Speaker 2: good and then if we all looked good. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: then past that, I just didn't want to restrict myself
Speaker 2: by being too self conscious.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, you would pick up your quirks, your habits
Speaker 4: that you would do over and over again. Yes, I
Speaker 4: do remember. Yeah, Hi, John Holly, mister Kretschmer, He's like,
Speaker 4: you know you are Charmed OJI director of the day.
Speaker 5: Thank you. I am very proud to say that I
Speaker 5: directed more Charm than any other single director.
Speaker 4: How many episodes did you direct?
Speaker 5: Seventeen?
Speaker 4: On the seventeen they were all when I was on
Speaker 4: Or did you cheat on me?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: John, he did, well, yes I did.
Speaker 5: But I did do three with you, Shanny, so that
Speaker 5: counts for something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my god, you only did three with me, and
Speaker 4: is seventeen? What is happening. You made a big vision.
Speaker 4: You were one of my favorite directors. You cheated on me.
Speaker 5: So sweet, You're so sweet. Let's let's change the subject
Speaker 5: for Oh.
Speaker 6: He's getting uncomfortable already, Hot seat John, That's what this
Speaker 6: time around.
Speaker 4: It's a brand new house. It's a totally different five,
Speaker 4: totally different five here, hot seat House of Valiwell, so, but.
Speaker 2: You directed most important, you directed the pilot, which really
Speaker 2: set the tone for the show.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a little more complicated than that, Shannon. There
Speaker 5: was a present I was asked to direct the twenty
Speaker 5: minute presentation, and I was unavailable because I was working
Speaker 5: as a producer director on another show, which was a
Speaker 5: mistake because I should have done the charming presentation. But nonetheless,
Speaker 5: Bruce Seth Green came in into the twenty minutes and
Speaker 5: then they replaced the third sister when I was hired
Speaker 5: to do to do the entire episode, so I reshot
Speaker 5: everything with the exception of Holly's confrontation in the elevator
Speaker 5: with Jeremy.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: So, pilot basically, yes, I'm that complicated. Yes, you directed
Speaker 2: the pilot. Yeah, I never watched because I don't watch
Speaker 2: anything that I'm on The only episodes I watched were
Speaker 2: the ones I directed, and I watched it in the
Speaker 2: editing room as we were editing. So for me to
Speaker 2: do this rewatch and actually have to rewatch it, I
Speaker 2: got to be honest with you. I was like, really
Speaker 2: really impressed by the pilot. I was, and maybe I
Speaker 2: was looking at it with a director's eye, but right probably, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was blown away by the lighting. I was blown
Speaker 2: away by the shots, the movement of the camera, the direction.
Speaker 2: How you know, you really felt the sisters like bond
Speaker 2: in their relationship, and I was just like, I mean
Speaker 2: I spoke to Holly about it and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Like that pilot was so good. So
Speaker 2: kudos to you, man, because you did an amazing job.
Speaker 5: Thank you well. You know, as I've told you privately,
Speaker 5: it was a very easy job to do because you
Speaker 5: guys were so fantastic and Brian, I wish I could
Speaker 5: include you, but you weren't in the episode, or Drew,
Speaker 5: but you came. When you guys came in, same thing happened.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was just it was always a pleasure
Speaker 5: to come to the show because everyone was so professional,
Speaker 5: so prepared. There were never any contentious fights. There were
Speaker 5: creative discussions, but we never we never seemed to We
Speaker 5: always seemed to be on the same page.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the thing, the thing that I appreciated with you
Speaker 5: and Holly was that you guys were so well prepared
Speaker 5: that when we shot a scene, we shot it very
Speaker 5: quickly because there wasn't a lot that I didn't There
Speaker 5: was no need to tweak the performances. You guys were
Speaker 5: just dialed into these characters from the get go. So
Speaker 5: if the pilot is successful, I have to say that
Speaker 5: eighty percent of that has to do with you guys
Speaker 5: and not me, And with with the script too, which
Speaker 5: which afforded me a lot of opportunities, And with Tommy
Speaker 5: del Ruth, who was the cameraman who did a wonderful
Speaker 5: job and came up with some wonderful ideas. And you know,
Speaker 5: you have to mention Dean Mitzner, who is the production
Speaker 5: designer who built that wonderful interior set and.
Speaker 4: It is gorgeous that set.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then and then we also have I also
Speaker 5: have to do a tip of the hat to Steve Labet,
Speaker 5: who was the visual effects guy. I think you know,
Speaker 5: you look at you look at this pilot, which was
Speaker 5: twenty eight years ago, I think, and it's not up
Speaker 5: to the snuff of what we can do today. But
Speaker 5: I have to say the visual effects are pretty darn
Speaker 5: good for what for that period, and they hold up
Speaker 5: pretty well. And I don't know, Holly, and and and
Speaker 5: and uh jan and if you remember, as the year progressed,
Speaker 5: getting the visual effects became easier. We didn't have to freeze,
Speaker 5: we didn't have to bring in the blue screen. It
Speaker 5: became a much quicker process. But that that first episode
Speaker 5: required a lot of technical work to get it to work,
Speaker 5: you know, especially where Holly, where you froze people. That
Speaker 5: was very hard.
Speaker 4: It was awkward.
Speaker 5: But thank you, Jen and I you know, I watched
Speaker 5: it yesterday and I thought, nah, it holds up pretty well,
Speaker 5: you know, And I.
Speaker 4: Think I think it's a testament really well.
Speaker 5: I think it's a testament to everyone involved in the
Speaker 5: show that this many years later, it is still an
Speaker 5: incredibly popular show on streaming services. I mean, it's amazing
Speaker 5: that it is constantly running to this day.
Speaker 2: But I did notice in the pilot what really stood
Speaker 2: out to me. One of the things was the relationship
Speaker 2: and the acting between tw Ted King and Dorian.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was. They were so good.
Speaker 2: Together and right off the bat, and I didn't really
Speaker 2: remember or like that chemistry, and so when I watched it,
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of that is from direction.
Speaker 2: It's obviously from the two of them as well. But
Speaker 2: for you to not take credit for that, like you're
Speaker 2: super humble and that's lovely, but you I wasn't there
Speaker 2: for their scenes, right, But whatever you did, whatever that
Speaker 2: connection was that you captured between the two of them,
Speaker 2: they were really really good.
Speaker 4: That was my favorite line I think in the whole
Speaker 4: pilot when he was like, Dorian goes she didn't direct Jack,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm laughing, oh, by myself. They
Speaker 4: were so good.
Speaker 5: It's very sweet of you to say that, Shannon, But
Speaker 5: I'll be completely honest with you, that was all them.
Speaker 5: I really I don't. I don't remember going in there
Speaker 5: and having to do much work those scenes. They were
Speaker 5: very enthusiastic, but those were some of the first things
Speaker 5: we filmed, as I remember. If I'm not yeah, I
Speaker 5: think so.
Speaker 3: Which on the pilot really had a feeling of I
Speaker 3: thought I was watching a movie, like a feature film.
Speaker 3: It had a feeling of like an eighties family thriller,
Speaker 3: horror thriller, excitement, and which was very unusual for television
Speaker 3: at that time.
Speaker 4: They were so separate.
Speaker 3: So when you were booked to do the pilot and
Speaker 3: you come brought on, how much were you able to share, like,
Speaker 3: this is what I want to do with it, and
Speaker 3: brought in the cinematic view and the way you added
Speaker 3: shots and all of that.
Speaker 5: I don't remember any tonal or stylistic discussions with Duke
Speaker 5: or with Connie or with Brad specifically. I think Jim
Speaker 5: Conway had who was familiar with my work, was comfortable
Speaker 5: bringing me in knowing, I guess, knowing what I was
Speaker 5: going to do with it. The one thing that we
Speaker 5: I did have an argument with Aaron about was I
Speaker 5: didn't want to do a lot of establishing shots. If
Speaker 5: you guys remember spelling shows were famous for a shot
Speaker 5: of a hospital with a sign and then zooming in yes,
Speaker 5: and I just I did not want to do that,
Speaker 5: and I, you know, Brad, to his credit, went to Duke,
Speaker 5: and Duke went to Aaron and said, you know, we've
Speaker 5: got to update the look of these shows. And so
Speaker 5: for the most part, we were able to eliminate all
Speaker 5: the establishing shots or as many as we could.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as many as we could.
Speaker 5: But other than that, I mean it was part of
Speaker 5: the reason there was so much movement is that Tommy,
Speaker 5: having done ER, was very familiar with doing long steady
Speaker 5: cam shots and and yeah, complicated things. And Holly, if
Speaker 5: you remember in the next episode, there's that really amazing
Speaker 5: STEADI caam shot in the bar with you and Alyssa.
Speaker 5: It's a different show, but that was Tommy. He was
Speaker 5: he was very adept at you know. I would say
Speaker 5: can we do this, and he'd say, no problem, and
Speaker 5: we did it, you know, so that he made it
Speaker 5: very easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our crew was amazing, and as the camera department
Speaker 2: was like phenomenal. I just I never I never felt
Speaker 2: like they were intrusive. They didn't. It wasn't like they're
Speaker 2: constantly in your eyeline or and they were really really good,
Speaker 2: Like we didn't have to do a lot of takes.
Speaker 2: They nailed it on the first try every single time.
Speaker 4: And I do remember that it was.
Speaker 2: Kind of experimental, I guess you could say, because Tommy
Speaker 2: did come from Er and there were those long steady
Speaker 2: cam shots and then we started going into like handheld
Speaker 2: and and I loved that because that was my personal style.
Speaker 2: So it was it was extremely exciting. It was it
Speaker 2: was hard too, It was hard, but it was exciting.
Speaker 2: It was you could feel how good the show was
Speaker 2: going to be. It was bizarre. It was like you
Speaker 2: were excited because you were like, oh, this is really
Speaker 2: good and our crew is really good, and our director
Speaker 2: is really good, and all the actors are really good,
Speaker 2: so you were able to be like, there's no way
Speaker 2: the show isn't getting picked up.
Speaker 4: I felt like I was treading water the whole time, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, I was over exerting all of my efforts,
Speaker 4: like I was just trying so hard, which I think
Speaker 4: is reflected in Piper. Yes, the hyper Piper walk, just in.
Speaker 5: The way she walks.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: And you know, it wasn't until that we went into
Speaker 4: Less Sheldon's trailer and I saw the trailer that I
Speaker 4: saw the credits and what we heard the music that
Speaker 4: I felt like, oh, maybe this is actually something that's
Speaker 4: going to be Like I got chills. Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you said in the second in the second episode,
Speaker 5: you were in the makeup trailer when I think, I
Speaker 5: don't know how you got the information, but you basically
Speaker 5: said we're hit, you know, and it was like everyone
Speaker 5: sort of relaxed, you know, was very listen. I have
Speaker 5: to say we had more fun doing that pilot than
Speaker 5: than than than I can imagine being on any other show.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just remember it being a lot of fun. Shannon,
Speaker 5: You and I would joke around. There was one time
Speaker 5: when you took a polar and of me holding a
Speaker 5: martini glass and a cigarette. Do you remember that, you
Speaker 5: know which is which? I don't. I don't partake in either,
Speaker 5: But you then put it up on the on the monitor,
Speaker 5: you know, is this is our leader kind of thing.
Speaker 5: But it was just like that. We just we had fun,
Speaker 5: We were relaxed. It was you know, we had confidence
Speaker 5: in the material, and I had confidence in you guys
Speaker 5: and then the crew. So it was just smooth sailing.
Speaker 5: I don't remember any moment of there being difficulty or attention.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's just yeah, I just maybe that's just history
Speaker 5: putting a gloss on it.
Speaker 4: But no, we had nothing to lose. We had nothing
Speaker 4: to lose in everything to prove, and so yeah, it
Speaker 4: was you know, they're going to give us these toys
Speaker 4: in this project, and we're going to see if it floats.
Speaker 6: Basically, how many days did you guys have to shoot
Speaker 6: that pilot?
Speaker 4: Seven days?
Speaker 2: It was, yeah, it was seventh because we weren't We
Speaker 2: didn't get to start doing eight days until later on,
Speaker 2: so it was seven day.
Speaker 4: He tried to let get us to do it in
Speaker 4: seven in the beginning, but the special effects and then
Speaker 4: add stunts to that and make up forget it, it
Speaker 4: was not possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was after the pilot that that it
Speaker 2: was like decided so in the pilot, I mean really,
Speaker 2: for you to shoot that pilot with all of the
Speaker 2: special effects and everything in seven days, that's pretty that's
Speaker 2: pretty remarkable.
Speaker 6: That's insane because usually they give pilots like double like
Speaker 6: a pilot's fourteen days or eighteen days, like to really
Speaker 6: kind of get Actually.
Speaker 2: The presentation was, yeah, you got to remember, we had
Speaker 2: the presentation that we had already shot.
Speaker 5: The show was a go, so we had to get
Speaker 5: you know, we had to keep doing episodes. Normally, when
Speaker 5: you do a pilot and you have ten days to
Speaker 5: do it, they then put it together and then they
Speaker 5: have to sell it. The show had been sold.
Speaker 6: Right, so okay, So and did it feel different for you?
Speaker 6: Girls being from the presentation to them the first episode,
Speaker 6: did it feel drastically different outside of the recasting.
Speaker 2: I don't think it felt drastically different, but it definitely
Speaker 2: felt different.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I will say that Lorii Wrong, who played Phoebe in
Speaker 2: the beginning was or for the presentation, was really great.
Speaker 2: She was a great actress. And you know, Laurie and
Speaker 2: Alyssa are very, very very different people. So Laurie's performance
Speaker 2: was different than Alyssa's was a lot like Holly and
Speaker 2: I in the sense of very grounded in drama, and
Speaker 2: that's you know it was. The presentation was much more
Speaker 2: serious and it was way darker, which was my style, right,
Speaker 2: So I loved the presentation. I thought, like everybody was great,
Speaker 2: but when Alyssa came in, you know, it provided like
Speaker 2: a levity that I think the show ended up needing.
Speaker 2: And and she came in and she did a great job,
Speaker 2: and yeah, just brought like a slightly different flavor to
Speaker 2: the show. And to be honest, like when I when
Speaker 2: I watched it, it was like, God, you know, they
Speaker 2: accept that their witches so easily, Like especially Phoebe, She's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm a witch. I'm like who thinks that like that?
Speaker 2: Like that part sort of threw me off.
Speaker 4: It was a little rush, and I was like, it could.
Speaker 2: Never have worked with Laurie because she was so grounded
Speaker 2: and so serious that it would have felt fake. But
Speaker 2: with Melissa, you were like, plus she believes she's a
Speaker 2: witch immediately.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally played her personality that bubbly, kind of
Speaker 6: like trying to figure like, oh, now there's purpose, like
Speaker 6: they right, she's.
Speaker 2: Searching for her purpose anyway, it gives it to.
Speaker 6: Her exactly, and so I think that was really well played,
Speaker 6: but was from the one more question about that was
Speaker 6: the presentation, like the verbatim. Basically it was the same
Speaker 6: exact script and same shot essentially the same kind of
Speaker 6: shots or whatever, and then you just.
Speaker 5: It well, I mean from my perspective, it was only
Speaker 5: twenty minutes. It wasn't a full episode, right, Yeah, there
Speaker 5: were scenes that weren't included. Okay, but Bruce and I
Speaker 5: have have similar styles, and so I would I would
Speaker 5: sometimes use hit what he had shot as a template
Speaker 5: for what I wanted to do, but I did tweak
Speaker 5: things to accommodate my own personal aesthetic sense.
Speaker 6: Right, because pilots sign please sorry, sorry, go ahead, No, no,
Speaker 6: I was just going to say, like a pilot director
Speaker 6: really is responsible for establishing ultimately the look and feel
Speaker 6: of a show, right, and so the fact that you
Speaker 6: were tasked with that and kind of everything that happened
Speaker 6: one hundred and seventy plus episodes was really established and
Speaker 6: started with you and your kind of vision with Tom
Speaker 6: to to kind of set the tone in the mood
Speaker 6: right away, yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, and watching it. There were only three things
Speaker 5: that dated the show, and I've mentioned this before. One
Speaker 5: was Holly in a phone booth, which just you know,
Speaker 5: I don't I think that there are people in this
Speaker 5: world who don't even know what a phone booth is anymore.
Speaker 5: When when TW says or when when Shannon accuses TW
Speaker 5: of checking checking, you know, checking about her past, it's like, well, now,
Speaker 5: this was an innocent time before social media, so it
Speaker 5: was much more difficult. And the third was is he
Speaker 5: hands you his card as opposed to just saying here's
Speaker 5: my number, which you know shows the the the use
Speaker 5: of the huge use of cell phone since.
Speaker 2: Then I hand people in my card all the time.
Speaker 6: Also, you robbed a cell phone, you had a cell
Speaker 6: phone that was a big like character had a cell
Speaker 6: phone web thing within the second episode. I mean maybe
Speaker 6: you answered in the the elevator.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the the the iPhone had not yet come out.
Speaker 5: They were still using flips flip at this point.
Speaker 4: Yes, what's a flip crazy flip?
Speaker 2: I love my flip phone, fiberry buttons, of course, my
Speaker 2: favorite was a BlackBerry.
Speaker 4: There were buns.
Speaker 6: You still want pay phones, be honest, But I.
Speaker 5: Think I think the show, I think the show you know,
Speaker 5: holds up pretty well stylistically and and artistically. It doesn't.
Speaker 5: It's not it's not dated like some shows could be.
Speaker 4: I think that's I think.
Speaker 2: That's why it keeps going. I mean, it keeps going
Speaker 2: because the fans connected to it so much, but also
Speaker 2: because it still feels pretty relevant even today, maybe even
Speaker 2: more so today. So I think that that's, you know,
Speaker 2: why it continues to stream everywhere. I think it's why
Speaker 2: the fans are still so dedicated and watch it over
Speaker 2: and over and over and over again. I like I said,
Speaker 2: I didn't find anything that was at a place or
Speaker 2: that was dated. When I rewatched it, I was I
Speaker 2: was pleasantly shocked and and was and was like, oh hey,
Speaker 2: we we all did a really good job. Like I've
Speaker 2: been pat with myself on the back, which I never do.
Speaker 2: I'm always so critical of myself. But I was, hey,
Speaker 2: you really brought crude of life, and I was, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, but like, oh my god, her boyfriend, her
Speaker 2: ex boyfriend, Roger so true, so.
Speaker 1: Deep Roger, question, did you.
Speaker 2: Question that I worked for? I worked with who I
Speaker 2: just totally took like my ideas and credit for my work.
Speaker 2: And he was just the actor obviously was really good
Speaker 2: because the character was sleazy and.
Speaker 4: He came across so sleezy, and I know he wasn't.
Speaker 4: He was actually a really nice guy. But oh, like
Speaker 4: I'm still creeped out by it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, and then to see Prue and Andy's like,
Speaker 2: we actually had really good chemistry as well?
Speaker 4: You did? It was it was Yeah, everybody wonders what
Speaker 4: happened to that relationship? What did happen in that relationship?
Speaker 4: I can tell you.
Speaker 6: I can tell you I have a detailed breakdown of
Speaker 6: what happened to that relationship. Flag with red flag, counter
Speaker 6: red flag. I have a lot of red flags on
Speaker 6: mister Andy.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, really, so Prue is not like me, because
Speaker 2: Prue is better about catching red flags, whereas I run
Speaker 2: towards them.
Speaker 4: Right, Prue didn't catch any of these red flags? Really well,
Speaker 4: then why did they break up?
Speaker 2: Yes? She did.
Speaker 4: She called red flags. That's why they broke up.
Speaker 1: Took a while.
Speaker 6: Took a while. Okay, listen, I'm probably not the best
Speaker 6: person to break down this relationship.
Speaker 2: I know you're not true.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, John. How difficult I mean?
Speaker 3: I know things have changed now, CGI and the whole
Speaker 3: day there was a lot of lightning and you had
Speaker 3: massive rain in this episode which culminated with the soundtrack
Speaker 3: which came behind you, which I thought the music in
Speaker 3: the soundtrack in this episode was fantastic and fits so
Speaker 3: well and helped push the story. How difficult was it
Speaker 3: filming backed in so practically and then matching up that
Speaker 3: soundtrack where you were you involved in the that end
Speaker 3: of the show as well in the edit and pushing
Speaker 3: the sound of the show.
Speaker 5: I don't think I couldn't participate in the in the
Speaker 5: final mix because I was shooting the next episode, So
Speaker 5: you have to you have to give the post production
Speaker 5: people credit for that. I don't remember there being sound
Speaker 5: issues from the rain that was created on stage, because
Speaker 5: that's usually fairly well controlled with horsehair and troughs and
Speaker 5: things like that, and lightning is very easy, easily done
Speaker 5: back in those days, which and didn't make much noise,
Speaker 5: so I don't I don't recall there being issues with
Speaker 5: dialogue and soundtrack personally, but it was.
Speaker 3: Used really craftly and with the music. That's what kind
Speaker 3: of got me into some of it, which I didn't
Speaker 3: notice the first time, is how much it was used
Speaker 3: to kind of propel some of the emotions of the story,
Speaker 3: and the way you placed it was fantastic.
Speaker 5: Well that's that's the post production people. I again, I
Speaker 5: couldn't participate in the spotting of the music or discussions
Speaker 5: with the composer unforcedly because as an itinerant television director
Speaker 5: always working on something else, and I was literally filming
Speaker 5: the next episode or editing the next episode, so I
Speaker 5: didn't have a You know, you have to give that
Speaker 5: credit to Connie and Brad and everyone in post production.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, but thank you for I can't take credit
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: So when did the girls like first discover Like when
Speaker 2: was it? Because I was always amazed that they accepted
Speaker 2: that they as I said before, that they were witches
Speaker 2: right away so just like recapping the actual episode, I
Speaker 2: know that you know, they find the Book of Shadows,
Speaker 2: they have the Ouiji board, and the Wigi board starts
Speaker 2: doing its thing on its own, but still to accept
Speaker 2: it so easily and holly, like your character then starts
Speaker 2: like I think Prue was the one who was so doubtful,
Speaker 2: but even your character, you know, the sort of pragmatic one,
Speaker 2: I would say, started accepting it pretty quickly as well.
Speaker 4: Well it worked out for her career wise. That's why.
Speaker 4: Remember when I freeze the chef and he's about to
Speaker 4: eat something Asian that wasn't finished, which, by the way,
Speaker 4: no one told me that that would be my hand
Speaker 4: movement for eight years when I was grabbing for that,
Speaker 4: no one told me until, like I think it was
Speaker 4: Jim Conway said in like the next episode, No, that's
Speaker 4: your thing, that's what you do, And I was like forever,
Speaker 4: like I didn't know, like I would have planned more carefully.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was a thing of like how
Speaker 2: we used our powers. Yes, remember they had me squinting
Speaker 2: at first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you weren't down with it.
Speaker 2: It was like, guys, I'm gonna have so many wrinkles
Speaker 2: around my eyes like this is not good, and because
Speaker 2: I had to exaggerate it so that the audience could
Speaker 2: actually see it.
Speaker 4: And I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously as I watched the show, I'll figure
Speaker 2: out which episode I finally got to start using my
Speaker 2: hand for the motion.
Speaker 4: But right, that was a big That was a big deal.
Speaker 4: Though you had to like get that approved.
Speaker 2: It took me a lot. It took a lot of
Speaker 2: meetings with Aaron. Your hand with Aaron was kind of
Speaker 2: like my hair. It was kind of like your hair,
Speaker 2: our wardrobe. We couldn't change things because you know, he
Speaker 2: was right in a way his whole idea about us
Speaker 2: changing how we looked. He said that an audience really
Speaker 2: needed to connect with us before we changed anything. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: he thought that that meant never changing anything, and I
Speaker 2: was definitely not down with that. I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm going to change my hair up and wear different clothes.
Speaker 2: And you eventually had to stand up for yourself too
Speaker 2: and be like, no, my hair is not going to
Speaker 2: be like this for you know.
Speaker 4: However, any I got to go a phone call at home,
Speaker 4: like the batphone rang and said that Aaron Spelling was
Speaker 4: on the phone and I thought I was getting fired.
Speaker 4: It's such a scary phone call to gain. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: thought I was getting fired. But literally he was calling
Speaker 4: me about the banks, like the banks need to come back.
Speaker 4: And I was like, what, Like, this is a phone
Speaker 4: call about my hair, and he said, yeah, it's your identity,
Speaker 4: it's who you are. It's piper Is you have to
Speaker 4: have the bangs. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You were not thrilled with that.
Speaker 4: Never again in my whole life. Actually, we liked the
Speaker 4: bank stop it.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember this moment, but when
Speaker 5: we did the scene in the bar where you first
Speaker 5: see the cream moved towards your coffee and then bubble
Speaker 5: into your coffee, and then the script was that you
Speaker 5: had then grabbed Lyssa's drink and downd it. I don't
Speaker 5: know if you remember that. You and I. You and
Speaker 5: I had a discussion at that moment where I turned,
Speaker 5: I pulled you aside and very quietly said, look, I
Speaker 5: don't know if you want to do the drinking thing
Speaker 5: based on what people have said about you in the past,
Speaker 5: but I would prefer not to do that if that's
Speaker 5: okay with you, And you said you agreed with me,
Speaker 5: and so we did we did one version with the
Speaker 5: liquor and one without, and in the in the direct
Speaker 5: I didn't use the liquor. I didn't use the drink,
Speaker 5: but really Violet, they.
Speaker 4: Did use it. Yeah, I do remember that.
Speaker 2: I remember because I remember being like, Wow, you know,
Speaker 2: there's somebody who's actually looking out for me in a
Speaker 2: personal way, which was really nice because obviously I hadn't
Speaker 2: been looked out for for a really long time. So
Speaker 2: you you were conscious of, you know, the backstory of me,
Speaker 2: or the backstory that people created for me. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it was in fact in there, you know, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day. I don't maybe because it's so
Speaker 2: many years twenty eight years, is that what we all
Speaker 2: decided later that it didn't even bother me seeing it
Speaker 2: again when I rewatched, I was like, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would probably down a drink, Like if I see
Speaker 2: cream over and go into my thing, that would freak
Speaker 2: me out.
Speaker 4: Honestly, it's warranted, Yeah, it's warranted.
Speaker 5: It was important to me to at least make you
Speaker 5: aware of it, and I was I mean not to
Speaker 5: sound too paternalistic, but I was trying to protect you
Speaker 5: because I love you, you know, and I loved working with you,
Speaker 5: and I didn't I didn't want I didn't want any
Speaker 5: sort of garbage to be interfering with your performance.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and I felt it from you when
Speaker 2: you said when you took me aside and you were
Speaker 2: like with the drinking, it it really I think Holly
Speaker 2: has heard it from me a bunch of times. And
Speaker 2: I've already told you that you're absolutely one of my
Speaker 2: favorite directors I've ever worked with in my entire career
Speaker 2: because thank you. Well, just because you do look out
Speaker 2: for people. You don't want people hurt by something that
Speaker 2: you're doing as as a character.
Speaker 4: But people tie you.
Speaker 2: To your character, and you know, you become your character
Speaker 2: to them. So if Prue is, you know, drinking, Shannon
Speaker 2: must have a problem with drinking as well. And you know,
Speaker 2: as we all know, I'd had so much bad press
Speaker 2: and it was, you know, painful, and then it was
Speaker 2: almost like I got this restart doing Charmed that was
Speaker 2: really important to me, an important show.
Speaker 4: You know, my best friend was on it.
Speaker 2: It just I wanted it to go smooth, and yeah,
Speaker 2: you did, you did do that. Of course, you know
Speaker 2: that's the director's cut, and you know that kind of
Speaker 2: had a different a different idea, and I don't think
Speaker 2: they saw the core correlation between the two at all.
Speaker 2: I think it was you know, just them thinking that,
Speaker 2: you know who wouldn't react like that.
Speaker 4: But we were aware of things like that going forward.
Speaker 4: We were aware, like I mean, sometimes there's a lot
Speaker 4: of perier happening with us because we were aware of
Speaker 4: being truly we were aware of being young women and
Speaker 4: you know, somewhat role models, and we didn't want to
Speaker 4: always be seen drinking. So there is a lot of
Speaker 4: perier out there.
Speaker 6: Should have had a sponsor, John, That's a testament to
Speaker 6: you as as a filmmaker, to the fact that you
Speaker 6: thought about that, that you pulled aside and came up
Speaker 6: with an alternative solution. Like you know, especially in the
Speaker 6: game of TV, it's just kind of a wide medium,
Speaker 6: close up, close up, and we're moving on. But the
Speaker 6: fact that you kind of approach each scene with and
Speaker 6: that this is what I've experienced working with you throughout
Speaker 6: my career. There was always that extra Everything was thought out, thoughtful,
Speaker 6: and you really tip time, and you really care about
Speaker 6: your actors, and I think that's what separates you, you know,
Speaker 6: from most and why we all love you so much
Speaker 6: and working with you.
Speaker 4: John will tell you a great story about what must
Speaker 4: have been one of my most uncomfortable moments, and he
Speaker 4: already knows what it is. I'll give you a hint.
Speaker 4: It was definitely the church and coming out of the
Speaker 4: church and saying I'm good. Was so hard for me
Speaker 4: to be that joyful. Like we all know, I can
Speaker 4: cry and get angry and all the things, but to
Speaker 4: be joyful to you know, really sell happiness is hard
Speaker 4: for me. For therapists reasons only.
Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite moments.
Speaker 2: You show so much joy around me though, Oh really, yeah, joy,
Speaker 2: I bring it out in her.
Speaker 4: There you go. You should have been there. I bring
Speaker 4: it out. It was so tough. It was so tough
Speaker 4: for me to do.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I remember that Prue found Luigi board put
Speaker 2: it on the table. And then and then and you
Speaker 2: started trying to break the news to me that Phoebe
Speaker 2: was moving back home. And it wasn't like I could
Speaker 2: stop it because the house was left to all three
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 4: It was willed, it was.
Speaker 6: You all equally own it.
Speaker 2: Right, So it's not like I could say no. But
Speaker 2: our relationship was so bad in the beginning. But what's
Speaker 2: really interesting is that there were these moments.
Speaker 4: Because I was like, oh, god, Pru is such a bitch.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, But then there were these moments
Speaker 2: that she you know, when she brought her sister the
Speaker 2: extra blankets and yes, and you could see like the
Speaker 2: softness improved towards her, but it was obviously like built
Speaker 2: up resentment over her thinking that Phoebe had a relationship
Speaker 2: with her sleazy x Roger, Yes, which is hard, Like
Speaker 2: it's hard to think that somebody that you love is
Speaker 2: cheating on you with your boyfriend.
Speaker 4: I like to remind people all the time that Pru
Speaker 4: and Phoebe never got along, but there you balanced it beautifully.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 6: That's what I love so much about this show is
Speaker 6: that dynamics between the sisters. You guys, you have this
Speaker 6: obviously there's a history. It's a parent the way you're
Speaker 6: talking about her and then the way you guys meet
Speaker 6: when she comes back home from New York. But then
Speaker 6: you have these tender moments and then I like that,
Speaker 6: you know, she's the one who's kind of like we said,
Speaker 6: she's she's leaning full into this new purpose. But you,
Speaker 6: you guys, come, you come to it, and you start
Speaker 6: to understand your power through her in that kind of
Speaker 6: in the at the Pharmacy that's seen in the Pharmacy,
Speaker 6: where she's encouraging you to like lean into this and
Speaker 6: trust what it really is.
Speaker 2: And like lose my temper and see like how my
Speaker 2: powers are actually triggered.
Speaker 6: Correct, But it really does play well. You guys played
Speaker 6: beautifully opposite each other because you feel that it really
Speaker 6: did add such a because you guys are all so
Speaker 6: specific with your with your characters and your choices. It
Speaker 6: really enhances the experience from an audience point of view,
Speaker 6: Like I loved you know, I love everything about the Pilot.
Speaker 6: The Pilot is so fantastic and it's one of my
Speaker 6: favorite episodes that I've seen today. But it's really the
Speaker 6: dynamics because you have that history, you have that underlying thing,
Speaker 6: but then you also come together for certain things and
Speaker 6: it makes it real because that's what that's what family
Speaker 6: relationships are. I love my dad more than anything, and
Speaker 6: he drives me. I have never yelled or cried more
Speaker 6: at anyone in my entire life than my father, and
Speaker 6: yet he is like and I love him more than
Speaker 6: anything else in the world. And that's just kind of
Speaker 6: family dynamics, right, And so the fact.
Speaker 4: That's what I try to explain to people all the time,
Speaker 4: is the fact that we were so different and we're
Speaker 4: so independent. It not just as characters but as people
Speaker 4: is what makes it more relatable, not less. The fact
Speaker 4: that we do disagree, we do get along, don't get along,
Speaker 4: makes it more real, not less. And I know it's
Speaker 4: not a popular opinion, but the scene in the drug
Speaker 4: store for me, is where charm came together. That's where
Speaker 4: coalesced in that scene as a show for me, as
Speaker 4: an episode for me, I don't know. I just that's
Speaker 4: that's the scene that's memorable for me, And that's the
Speaker 4: scene that really is entertaining to me.
Speaker 6: It was entertaining, and I like at the end you
Speaker 6: accept there's an acceptance like how did that feel? And
Speaker 6: you kind of like instantly like, oh, that actually kind
Speaker 6: of felt good. And so that you watch it wash
Speaker 6: over you, you watch you've been like fighting against it,
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden you have this realization
Speaker 6: like you know, now obviously like in the coming episodes,
Speaker 6: you guys are still going to be fighting against your
Speaker 6: purpose and what this new life looks like but in
Speaker 6: that moment you leaned in and fully and like we
Speaker 6: see that. We see the shift, and it's awesome for
Speaker 6: an audience member.
Speaker 2: And you also see the shift and the relationship between
Speaker 2: her with Phoebe. You see that, you know, prove's almost
Speaker 2: like thankful in a way for Phoebe pushing her.
Speaker 4: And you know what's interesting is.
Speaker 2: That that entire the pilot, the first season and everything,
Speaker 2: like we all really got along. Yes, incredibly different people,
Speaker 2: but everybody got along. So you could feel like that,
Speaker 2: you know, last like hug between the three sisters. You
Speaker 2: could actually feel like the love between all of us.
Speaker 4: We were striving, yeah, and we were striving towards the
Speaker 4: same goal. And because we were all you know, kid actors,
Speaker 4: we had something to prove as adults, and it was
Speaker 4: you know, sink or swim.
Speaker 2: Right, And it was your boyfriend at the time in
Speaker 2: the show, Jeremy.
Speaker 4: That was the freaking killer. I know, glad, you have
Speaker 4: bad taste. Your picker is broken. Piper's picker is broken.
Speaker 4: Piper's picker was broken for a long time, but it
Speaker 4: got fixed.
Speaker 5: Sure, yes, yeah, you know it's funny. You mentioned you
Speaker 5: mentioned the you mentioned the pharmacy. That was the one
Speaker 5: scene that I was nervous about, not because of performance,
Speaker 5: but because of the physical effects. I didn't know if
Speaker 5: that stuff was going to come off the shelves, and
Speaker 5: if it did and it was, the take was no good,
Speaker 5: We'd have to reload it. It was going to take hours.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Do you know how they did it?
Speaker 2: Do you remember didn't they have the air puffers behind stuff,
Speaker 2: like they.
Speaker 5: They had a combination of air puffers and they had
Speaker 5: strength like a no no, no, a board that's kind
Speaker 5: of pushed the stuff out. As I remember, there were
Speaker 5: guys behind the shelf pushing it out. There was a
Speaker 5: combination of yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I remember the air blowers that like you
Speaker 2: know that like you hit and it's a huge gust
Speaker 2: of like wind really quick or air. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it was actually again for that time, it was kind
Speaker 2: of amazing those special effects people who did all that.
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable because yeah, I was like you I wasn't
Speaker 2: quite sure it was going to work.
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, John Gray was.
Speaker 5: The effects head of effects and he did a very
Speaker 5: good job on me on the pilot, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but yeah, that was the that was the but we
Speaker 5: got it on the first take. That the wide shot
Speaker 5: we got on the first take, as I remember, so.
Speaker 2: I think so I liked it. I liked getting everything
Speaker 2: on the first take.
Speaker 4: All the time.
Speaker 2: That was my big thing, Like you know that was
Speaker 2: your big thing. Well that's why I got named one
Speaker 2: take Doherty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm always better on take two. Yeah, I make.
Speaker 2: Carolled that for like ever since Michael landon Days.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm always better on take two. Take three goes
Speaker 4: a little awry. Take four don't even try it. Oh
Speaker 4: nice ry.
Speaker 2: Let's say, can we talk about the cat for one second,
Speaker 2: because so the cat is in the first scene.
Speaker 4: I totally forgot that we stole the cat.
Speaker 2: We didn't steal it. It found us because we're the
Speaker 2: best witches in the world. But the cat was in
Speaker 2: the first scene with the witch who's you know, doing
Speaker 2: her chance or prayers for protection spelled that didn't do
Speaker 2: Jack by yourself when Jeremy stabs her with that knife. Yes, uh,
Speaker 2: and the cat doesn't even help her, which I'm like,
Speaker 2: isn't this cat supposed to because protection spell didn't help
Speaker 2: her and the cat did jack right right, But he
Speaker 2: apparently was not just dating you, but every other witch
Speaker 2: that he wanted to kill because they were all like Jeremy.
Speaker 2: He was super busy. But then the cat, you know,
Speaker 2: found us.
Speaker 3: The one thing I noticed about the cat as well
Speaker 3: was tw when he hit the crime scene, he was
Speaker 3: holding the cat and he checked out the necklace and
Speaker 3: he was like, okay. And then at the very end
Speaker 3: of the show, when he says goodbye and blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and the cat walks up and he turns around from
Speaker 3: the street about to say something, he clocks the cat
Speaker 3: that you guys are holding the cat.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, because he notices the collar.
Speaker 2: The collar, Yeah, he notices it like before.
Speaker 4: The cat's Honestly, he is far enough away that he
Speaker 4: should not have seen that, but he sees that it's
Speaker 4: the same cat, correct, right.
Speaker 3: So so at the end of the episode when he
Speaker 3: clocks that it maybe go okay for future episodes. Does
Speaker 3: that make him a little more suspect of you guys
Speaker 3: being No, he.
Speaker 4: Already he already knows. In my mind, he already knows.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: I don't think he knew at all.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he was under I think he saw
Speaker 2: that and was like, hey, you know, what's the like
Speaker 2: wisest cat here now.
Speaker 4: But I don't think he connected that we were witches.
Speaker 4: She's been going to a cult stores. He knew the
Speaker 4: whole time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, he's like my ex boyfriend. I
Speaker 2: never showed any signs of being a witch. I don't
Speaker 2: think he knew yet, John, what do you think.
Speaker 5: I don't think he knew yet. There's nothing, there's nothing.
Speaker 5: There's nothing in the episode that indicates that he's onto you, guys.
Speaker 5: I mean, the fact is that he believes there's such
Speaker 5: a thing as Wicca and witches, but I don't think
Speaker 5: he connects you to that yet.
Speaker 4: You guys, are you're estimating Trudeau's detective skills. Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: just going to say.
Speaker 3: But in that shot, you isolated him for that to
Speaker 3: have that look. Was there a conversation about him knowing
Speaker 3: too much or giving away too much or just noting.
Speaker 5: I have no memory of that of what we did then.
Speaker 5: I was just trying to get through the day. We
Speaker 5: were on Carol Avenue and we had to get off
Speaker 5: the streets.
Speaker 4: Okay, that was let's go. The sun is setting, losing
Speaker 4: the daylight.
Speaker 6: The fact that Andy from the outset, like the first
Speaker 6: time we meet him at the crime scene, and he
Speaker 6: is he is coming from and following a lead from
Speaker 6: an occult shop like this, Like this feels very like
Speaker 6: his theory about which is and them being real and
Speaker 6: existing in San Francisco and kind of tied to a
Speaker 6: bunch of similar cases that he's kind of detecting is
Speaker 6: evident from the very beginning, right. And so the fact
Speaker 6: that the cat immediately, the cat that he saw at
Speaker 6: this crime scene is now being held by I think
Speaker 6: it was Phoebe is holding the cat before they all
Speaker 6: walk inside, like that would be a very strong direct
Speaker 6: correlation that these three are there's something going on about this,
Speaker 6: especially because they you know, the caller has the trequetra well.
Speaker 5: I think Connie was probably laying that pipe, you know.
Speaker 5: But I don't think there was anything that specifically indicates
Speaker 5: to me that he's going light bulb they're witches yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also remember, like in later episodes, he doesn't really
Speaker 2: connect the witches thing. So I definitely don't think he
Speaker 2: had any indication in the pilot. Holly's got her own theory.
Speaker 6: I think he starts strong in fact on this second
Speaker 6: go around because I destroyed Andy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'll get into that.
Speaker 6: I think during the pilot, in the first two episodes,
Speaker 6: he's actually very he's on the right path. He's a
Speaker 6: good detection. He's a very good, good detective. He's a
Speaker 6: very good detective.
Speaker 4: So I really the flounders later, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: I you know, at the beginning he's a very good detective.
Speaker 2: I agree, so and at the end of the pilot
Speaker 2: he asks brourout and Prue's very much like, my life
Speaker 2: is a little complicated right now because obviously she's adjusting,
Speaker 2: And honestly, still one of my favorite things is that
Speaker 2: ending where Prue goes up the stairs, turns and looks
Speaker 2: at the door and like shuts it with her mind,
Speaker 2: because for me, it's when she finally really truly embraces
Speaker 2: that she's a witch. And sure later you know she
Speaker 2: struggles on and off, but that, like I always get chills,
Speaker 2: and yet I smile thinking about that. When I rewatch,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh.
Speaker 4: What a good ending.
Speaker 2: It wasn't good if it was any of us, right,
Speaker 2: but the fact that Prue was so hesitant to accept
Speaker 2: her powers and then you realize that she's accepting them,
Speaker 2: and you go as an audience member, I imagine that
Speaker 2: you say, like, oh my god, now they're really like
Speaker 2: the most powerful witches in the world because they've all
Speaker 2: accepted things.
Speaker 5: It's a very delicious moment. And I think one of
Speaker 5: the things that makes it delicious is that it's silent,
Speaker 5: that it's all done on your face, you know, and
Speaker 5: didn't don't they didn't they use that shot over and
Speaker 5: over in the in the credits.
Speaker 4: Or something the credits.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's because it's iconic. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's absolutely iconic and everything you said about emotionally the
Speaker 5: audience understanding that she now accepts it as absolutely true
Speaker 5: and you sold it. I mean it was it was
Speaker 5: as I said, it was a delicious moment.
Speaker 4: Well you shot it, so you're delicious. Yeahs agree. All right, Well,
Speaker 4: I think that's it for the pilot.
Speaker 2: We're going to see you again, because yeah, at least
Speaker 2: for the three US at least. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'll bring it back for the others. I'm so mad.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know what, I don't know what
Speaker 4: you're talking about. God, I have no recollection of that episode.
Speaker 2: Soah, but this was this is fun, Like I love
Speaker 2: rewatching and then like seeing you and all of us
Speaker 2: having like our opinions about what happened. I think it's
Speaker 2: very cool. So thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 5: Thank you for inviting me, and it was a total
Speaker 5: pleasure not only to do this but to see all
Speaker 5: you guys again because I love you all very very much.
Speaker 2: We'll see you for all the other episodes if you'll
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 4: Thanks. So that's how Shalla weld.
Speaker 2: Thank you you guys again, and we'll see you for
Speaker 2: the next episode.