Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. It's the Weakest Link. Goodbye,
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition to the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansins. I come to you from
Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with heroes. Mark Seeler, Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: joining us once again. Patrick Claibn, what's up boys? Salsan's damn,
Speaker 1: We've we've made it eleven weeks. Oh my gosh, We've
Speaker 1: done it. We've done it. That is Matt money Smith's
Speaker 1: money tag today, perfectly timed because it's finally upon us listeners.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw on Twitter. This has
Speaker 1: been something we've been talking about offline for some time.
Speaker 1: When does Ricky Hollywood's guest appearance on the NBC game
Speaker 1: show The Weakest Link finally premier? And we found out
Speaker 1: the answer during Monday Night Football. My wife was watching,
Speaker 1: uh the show with her parents and there it is
Speaker 1: the promo at the end of the app Ricky Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and I want to bring in Ricky a second. Hey, Ricky, Okay,
Speaker 1: I just gotta tell you so. The first of all,
Speaker 1: very excited, Monday night set your DVRs, watch live whatever
Speaker 1: I forget about Monday Night football next week. It's all
Speaker 1: about Ricky, Hollywood, I asked you to cut three things
Speaker 1: from that that brief promo that I am gonna be
Speaker 1: completely honest with you, Ricky, I'm nervous about okay, and
Speaker 1: you've done a good job with the the non disclosure agreement. Um,
Speaker 1: we are being completely honest when we say that Erica
Speaker 1: was told not to say how the show went. We
Speaker 1: don't know how the show went, but we got some
Speaker 1: breadcrumbs here from the promo, so I'm gonna play I
Speaker 1: asked you to play three First. First, let's hear from
Speaker 1: Jane Lynch, the host of The Weakest Link. Here's one
Speaker 1: clip from her. Well, this is what happens when you
Speaker 1: vote off all the smart people. Okay, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that dog was part of the I don't know
Speaker 1: what the the canines suddenly, I mean I think the
Speaker 1: dog like the dog was proving the point there. All right,
Speaker 1: so the line, let's hear that line again. Sorry, Well,
Speaker 1: this is what happens when we vote off all the
Speaker 1: smart people. Okay, that's a bread crumb, Claybon, that qualifies
Speaker 1: as a bread crumb. That is disturbing on some level. Uh,
Speaker 1: perhaps not as disturbing as the second, Jane Lynch read
Speaker 1: crumb that's dropped. Let's hear that? Is it too late
Speaker 1: to get new contestants? Okay, now now there's now, Now
Speaker 1: there's real cause for concern. And finally, Erica, should we
Speaker 1: hear from Ricky very briefly in the promo? And I'd
Speaker 1: like to say it doesn't connect dots with the Jane
Speaker 1: Lynch teasers and the promo, but i'd be lying, what
Speaker 1: was that, Erica? I don't think it went well. Patrick.
Speaker 1: Am I reading into this wrong by being too negative? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do think you are. The show takes a very
Speaker 1: deprecating tone, especially the promotions, uh to the show that
Speaker 1: they want to hit you, uh, you know, set you
Speaker 1: up and then give you the day dead leg and
Speaker 1: cut it back and get towards the end zone or
Speaker 1: the you know, the touchdown area if you will. And
Speaker 1: I think I think that things went well, honestly I do.
Speaker 1: In the TV promotions world, I'm looking forward to Monday.
Speaker 1: I think we've got some good things in store. I
Speaker 1: feel like you kind of need a translator for Jane Lynch, Like,
Speaker 1: isn't her role she meant She's meant to come on
Speaker 1: and be sort of smarmie and like firing arrows at people.
Speaker 1: So what does it really mean that said? Um, it
Speaker 1: would be a bit of a surprise if Erica fared
Speaker 1: well based on what you've called their dan and she
Speaker 1: sounds fairly I know part of the role being the host,
Speaker 1: the old British bird that had the gig before she
Speaker 1: was she was sardonic as well. But I don't know, Ricky.
Speaker 1: I just I hope things went well. I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. We're all gonna be watching. Uh and it
Speaker 1: sinks up nicely with our Tuesday edition of the podcast
Speaker 1: next week to unpack it. But how are you feeling
Speaker 1: knowing that your life may may very well change? Uh?
Speaker 1: In Yeah, I'm ready for the public to see what
Speaker 1: actually happened. Um, you know it. Did they pick the
Speaker 1: greatest you know screenshot to show me in this promote? No? Um,
Speaker 1: but you know what I think, like, I can handle
Speaker 1: some adversity and um, someone tweeted at me like, oh,
Speaker 1: the camera doesn't add twenty pounds, it adds twenty years.
Speaker 1: So I was like, why would you say that all out?
Speaker 1: That's so upsetting, But yeah that's true. Yeah, this this
Speaker 1: show has aged me and it's it was very, very
Speaker 1: very stressful experience. I would say, one one little breadcrumb,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of the promo, had Ricky gone on
Speaker 1: in one you know, four hundred tho dollars or something,
Speaker 1: would she have, you know, scooted over to a new
Speaker 1: apartment with like a crazy man and a frozen pizza
Speaker 1: at five feet away. I think she would be up
Speaker 1: in the hills or something. So I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: the money is not landed. Well, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is the case or not, but
Speaker 1: I did have to sign some thing that you wouldn't
Speaker 1: get paid until a hundred fifty days from when your
Speaker 1: episode airs. Alright, man, she's doing a really good job
Speaker 1: to keep keeping us in the dark. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: honest her. And perhaps, you know, perhaps Erica could have
Speaker 1: been one of the people that was smart that got
Speaker 1: voted off, and maybe she was saying this is terrible
Speaker 1: because she did get voted at all. Maybe Jane Lynch
Speaker 1: Is is caping for Erica tam policy because she's amazing.
Speaker 1: You know, your your dollars of optimism is really welcome
Speaker 1: around these parts. Patrick claiban Um, all right, yes, good show.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good show when Ricky's on the
Speaker 1: weakest link. We got a good show on the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast today, much to get into. We're going
Speaker 1: to begin our look ahead to week eleven, and we
Speaker 1: have an excellent, excellent Week eleven matchup on Thursday Night Football,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals at the Seahawks, So we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: that game. Also, Greg wrote a woozy banger, the Old
Speaker 1: Deep Reef, the Old Rosenthal Debrief, talking about teams who
Speaker 1: are have every right to be frustrated at this point
Speaker 1: in the season. I will go through Greg's list and
Speaker 1: maybe throw in a couple of our own that maybe
Speaker 1: didn't make Greg's list. But first, let us start, as
Speaker 1: we always do on this show, with the Monday Night
Speaker 1: Football recap. We have to it's contractually obligated. You still
Speaker 1: get a first down. I'm third and four. Cousins throwing
Speaker 1: ed is caught touchdown. It's Adam Feeling for the second
Speaker 1: time tonight, and Minnesota chumps back on top of HM
Speaker 1: sell it ESPN Monday Night Football. That was the call
Speaker 1: from Steve Leaving Kirk Cousins throws two touchdowns both as
Speaker 1: you heard to Adam Feeling the second the difference in
Speaker 1: a nineteen to thirteen win over the Chicago Bears and
Speaker 1: Soldier Field, a game where the Barris dragged the Vikings
Speaker 1: down to their level and it was a dark place.
Speaker 1: It is. It is tough to watch Chicago Bears football
Speaker 1: in and that is coming from a Jets van Mark.
Speaker 1: First of all, congratulations on your lock. You sweated it
Speaker 1: out a little bit, I imagine, but you got your
Speaker 1: lock with the Vikings. But did you learn anything about
Speaker 1: Minnesota games? You know what I learned about them? I mean,
Speaker 1: I like, I think that our role when we're covering
Speaker 1: thirty two teams is that, you know, you have to
Speaker 1: be flexible with early season impressions as the season goes along,
Speaker 1: and my impression of the Vikings, um continues to change. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, they were one in five. We were all
Speaker 1: kind of one in five and twenty and you decide
Speaker 1: whether to kind of work out of that or sink deeper.
Speaker 1: And I think the Vikings have taken the high road here.
Speaker 1: And that was a you know, that's these divisional games
Speaker 1: in November. Um, when everyone's kind of feeling a little
Speaker 1: bit a little bit used up. UM. I thought it
Speaker 1: was a tough win because if you look at what happened,
Speaker 1: they were swept by the Bears last year and the
Speaker 1: year of war, and they scored twenty six points in
Speaker 1: two games against the Vikings last year, thirty or so.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's for them. Um. Your season remains
Speaker 1: alive because you got out of this. Dalvin Cook, who
Speaker 1: had been completely shut down against the Bears last season,
Speaker 1: really the last three games against them, ninety six yards.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the typical Dalvin Cook game, but you know,
Speaker 1: they I felt like they could only win when Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins also throwing the ball. Um, you know, twelve thirteen
Speaker 1: times a game. He had to do a little bit
Speaker 1: more last night. It wasn't perfect, Um, but you're always
Speaker 1: lucky to be playing a Bears offense that still thinks
Speaker 1: it's nineteen thirty one, and every week there's a new
Speaker 1: drama created, and uh, you know, we can get into that.
Speaker 1: But the Vikings took care of business or the better team.
Speaker 1: So I'd rather at this time of year, let's I
Speaker 1: don't care what the records are. Let's dispose of the junk.
Speaker 1: I don't have any more time for the junk. The
Speaker 1: Vikings are proving to be a little bit higher than that,
Speaker 1: and so right on Minnesota. Yeah, they they proved to
Speaker 1: me they were so much better than the Bears, and
Speaker 1: they were. They were a little unlucky. You know. I
Speaker 1: saw Patrick's face the second this game's you know, recap started,
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, we gotta talk about this game. I mean,
Speaker 1: pork Kirk Cousins. It's like the bar keeps changing. He
Speaker 1: finally plays a really good game on Monday Night football
Speaker 1: against a really good opponent. Adam Feeling drops a pass
Speaker 1: that turns into an interception on a perfect throw in
Speaker 1: the red zone, and his special teams is got off
Speaker 1: all giving up a kick return in terrible field position
Speaker 1: all day, or else they would have blown out a
Speaker 1: good defense. His running game was terrible. He's ten of
Speaker 1: eleven on third down for a hundred and forty nine
Speaker 1: yards and two touchdowns, and most of that's in third
Speaker 1: and long because you know, the Vikings just refused to
Speaker 1: stop running Dalvin Cook for one in two yards on
Speaker 1: first down. They're gonna use this guy up, giving him
Speaker 1: thirty carries a game. Sometimes you got to adjust to
Speaker 1: the game that's in front of you. But they probably
Speaker 1: did that because they thought, we don't really need to
Speaker 1: do much to beat this lousy Bears offense. And I
Speaker 1: suppose they were right on that. So good for Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: You know, it's this is the team of hands, this
Speaker 1: TL the Minnesota Vike games, and they're back in it.
Speaker 1: They are definitely back in it. I thought they had
Speaker 1: the chance to do it, and here they are. And
Speaker 1: when you saw, you saw claibon. Kirk Cousins is a
Speaker 1: guy that we all like to have our fun with. Me. Well,
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna I want to set you up here.
Speaker 1: I want try to be able to chime in here.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a little host move there. Um. But like,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is a guy would like to have fun
Speaker 1: with and and that's why, Like when he completed that
Speaker 1: pass to Kyle Rudolph Uh to clinch the game essentially
Speaker 1: late in the fourth quarter, I mean, that isn't as
Speaker 1: as excited as I've ever seen Kirk Cousins, maybe next
Speaker 1: to his high school plays where he was singing Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, why is he this excited? I
Speaker 1: know he just probably won the game, it didn't even
Speaker 1: run out the clock, but probably want it and then
Speaker 1: you realize, like Kirk Cousins is human. Kirk Cousins, as
Speaker 1: much as we say we're sick of talking about, you
Speaker 1: know that Kirk Cousins can't win in prime time and
Speaker 1: he's own nine on Monday Night Football. He's sick of
Speaker 1: it too. So when he completes that pass, he's celebrated
Speaker 1: because another Kirk Cousins narrative went by the wayside, which
Speaker 1: which Dan is an indictment of Kirk Cousins, because literally,
Speaker 1: Monday night is the game. The game's count the same.
Speaker 1: It's a dumb narrative in the first place, went on
Speaker 1: Monday as the same as a win on Sunday at
Speaker 1: one Eastern. It literally does not don't bring into this.
Speaker 1: It's a game. It's a win. And and the same thing.
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing, Dan. There's a minute in
Speaker 1: thirty five seconds to go when they get that first
Speaker 1: down to Kyle Rudolph, and I'm thinking, the game's not over, Kirk,
Speaker 1: like you got well he the thing is like, so
Speaker 1: they're showing a graphic which was the only Monday Night
Speaker 1: Football uh CG graphic that I've enjoyed all year. The
Speaker 1: office space comage right to Kirk Cousins record on Monday night.
Speaker 1: But literally like it it does. There's no difference between
Speaker 1: when or not. And it helped um. But as you
Speaker 1: guys mentioned, like the Bears, um they need a quarterback
Speaker 1: that can make plays. Uh, Matt Nage needs a quarterback
Speaker 1: that can make plays. And so like whatever last night,
Speaker 1: Uh was a lot of it, as Greg mentioned, had
Speaker 1: to do with what the Bears could not do on offense.
Speaker 1: And there was a point where there was a third down,
Speaker 1: the Vikings blitz in the A gap because that's Mike
Speaker 1: Zimmer and that's what he's gonna do. And it was
Speaker 1: one of those rare occasions where there was a short
Speaker 1: receiver to get the ball to and Nick Foles bailed
Speaker 1: and threw some candle in the wind ball twenty yards
Speaker 1: out of bounds and Anthony Miller was like wide open
Speaker 1: directly in front of him, and like, I don't really
Speaker 1: know what the progression was on that play. Honestly, to
Speaker 1: be clear, I'm not some savat that knows much about
Speaker 1: anything in terms of the schematics and football, but I
Speaker 1: just know what we saw last night was not going
Speaker 1: to work. And to Mark's point, last night, I get
Speaker 1: that the people of Chicago care, and they should care.
Speaker 1: It's a franchise a lot of them grew up with.
Speaker 1: But for those of us who are watching this team,
Speaker 1: uh that from the front office decisions and on down,
Speaker 1: they just keep making these mistakes. I don't know why
Speaker 1: we're so involved in the franchise. It's just not that
Speaker 1: they're not doing anything. Like, congratulations on getting Eddie Jackson
Speaker 1: after he suffered all those injuries at Alabama and fell
Speaker 1: to you. Congratulations on trading for future Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: and Khalil mack Um. But if you if you can't
Speaker 1: get guys open, and you can't find a quarterback in
Speaker 1: an arrow where everybody seems to be on the burge
Speaker 1: of finding their quarterback, none of that matters. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: only like, there's only only a handful of teams that
Speaker 1: seem completely eyes wide shut to evolving in and you
Speaker 1: know you're you have to assume mail at some point
Speaker 1: realize that too. The Bears. My one thing with them is,
Speaker 1: and when we come at these teams, the first thing
Speaker 1: that happens you get a pocket of the fan base saying,
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't be mean to my team. It's like, actually,
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do, and this is an old
Speaker 1: West is um is. We're not putting up with it,
Speaker 1: nor should you as fans, because the I've been watching
Speaker 1: football since and the Bears have been the same team
Speaker 1: essentially through that entire run. They've had four top ten
Speaker 1: offense since offenses since that's well, I mean, you know
Speaker 1: there's one or two years where that's occurred, and they're
Speaker 1: not like second or third, they're like ten. They've been
Speaker 1: a defensive oriented team that struggles to score points. I
Speaker 1: feel like my entire life, let's try a new path.
Speaker 1: And here's the weird thing about Monday's game. The Vikings
Speaker 1: badly outplayed them in several facets, especially on defense, and
Speaker 1: Cordella Cordeil Patterson's kickoff return got them in the lead.
Speaker 1: The punt return later in the game put him in
Speaker 1: position again, and somehow, if Nick Foles just hits that
Speaker 1: past to Anthony Miller, it should have been Bears twenty,
Speaker 1: Vikings nineteen. And that's why I think the Bears, and
Speaker 1: reasons that Mark just explained as well, are a sneaky
Speaker 1: I'm not saying pain rankings, but in terms of a
Speaker 1: frustrating fan experience, you're sure the Bears are are up
Speaker 1: there because they're not fun to watch, and then you
Speaker 1: have games like last night where it becomes just a
Speaker 1: public execution by everyone that just teeing off about how
Speaker 1: boring and terrible your team is. It's got to get old.
Speaker 1: Their their offensive line is so bad. I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's part of it. So folds combined with that offensive line,
Speaker 1: and they they've been banged up and they've had COVID issues.
Speaker 1: I think where Mitchell Robinski is coming out of the
Speaker 1: Buy as their starter folds, his injury um that he
Speaker 1: had at the end of the game is not as
Speaker 1: serious as they feared, and it sounded like he was
Speaker 1: day to day and has a chance to be ready
Speaker 1: to play coming out of the by but um on
Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday rather, Naggi said that there they'll look
Speaker 1: at everything and including a possible quarterback change, and when
Speaker 1: they say that, they always make the change if they
Speaker 1: gotta make so if they're sticking. If they were sticking
Speaker 1: with him, I think they would say so. They'll maybe
Speaker 1: the injury will be an excuse. I don't think it
Speaker 1: really matters. And by the way that game, coming out
Speaker 1: of the Buy is again on primetime against the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Paer. So you know they are they are, they
Speaker 1: are pushing into this. The NFL schedule makers, they've had
Speaker 1: some tricks up their sleeves this year, and this trick
Speaker 1: is on us. I do like that Justin Jefferson had
Speaker 1: his moment. That dude is I think would be Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year if if um they didn't allow. I
Speaker 1: think they should separate quarterbacks and other players in all
Speaker 1: these awards so that we could have like a Jefferson
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson versus Tristan Worth's conversation or whatever, because Justin
Speaker 1: Jefferson is like, I don't know if he's better than
Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs, but he's he's in that caliber right now,
Speaker 1: like as a I mean, that's that's where he is
Speaker 1: as as like a top twelve receiver in the league
Speaker 1: right now, where Feeling is the clear number two and
Speaker 1: Jefferson's one. Like, that's pretty amazing. We just get we
Speaker 1: can get a sponsor. Oh, I know where you're going
Speaker 1: already with it. You're making the case for the Offensive
Speaker 1: Player the Year. Well, then say quarterbacks are ineligible. That
Speaker 1: is part of my problem is that a lot of
Speaker 1: times the same quarterback wins this both awards, and then
Speaker 1: some other years it's like though they decided to spin
Speaker 1: it off into Drew Brees or some running back or
Speaker 1: something as a consolation. Well, I mean, justin Jefferson could
Speaker 1: have maybe you should have become a quarterback back in
Speaker 1: like seventh grade to deal with this specific issue. Well,
Speaker 1: I think we should get a sponsor to pony up
Speaker 1: some more money, right for the all Pro rookie team. Uh,
Speaker 1: so we can give all of these guys a little
Speaker 1: more shine. Well, maybe we'll give out the awards. We'll
Speaker 1: give the non quarterback awards show January third, January third. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great idea, Hey, Ricky. Uhh, this is when
Speaker 1: this is the part of the show where I asked
Speaker 1: Ricky seriously to do some show pre production work and
Speaker 1: then she ignores it. Uh, make a note of this, please,
Speaker 1: uh and bring it up to me after the season.
Speaker 1: We want to do some type of rookie awards shows
Speaker 1: or even like non quarterback awards too, like some give
Speaker 1: out some some non let's give out some awards. Please
Speaker 1: make a note of it. You got it. Don't let
Speaker 1: me down. I really I can see her taking that
Speaker 1: note right now with the number two pencil on a
Speaker 1: piece of paper. She's watching YouTube cat videos as I'm talking. Um,
Speaker 1: let's give the last word an annoying dumb game to
Speaker 1: John Parry. Yeah. That is helmet to contact to the
Speaker 1: helmet of the quarterback there with the right hand, forcible contact.
Speaker 1: One of the things that happens when there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of penalties in a game. Your mind gets blowed
Speaker 1: into this sleep and maybe you're not processing things the
Speaker 1: way that you should. That he is a foul and
Speaker 1: we should have had a flag there to extend the drive.
Speaker 1: That was such a fitting like breakdown from the rules
Speaker 1: official guy Patrick. Yeah, you can hear him trying to
Speaker 1: make a case right for apologizing for the officials, not
Speaker 1: realizing that he's making a case for getting rid of
Speaker 1: officials just in general because of their overall uselessness. Uh.
Speaker 1: The idea that right, that we are so bored of
Speaker 1: this game that we have no part in that sometimes
Speaker 1: we forget to play our integral, supposedly integral role in
Speaker 1: officiating the game. So we just kind of whatever. We
Speaker 1: just gotta wing it, man. Something. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: a Kickers club and then there may be as a
Speaker 1: Zebras club for these officials. That's the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: you only talk about behind closed doors. You don't know,
Speaker 1: then John Perry, go out and tell everyone that officials
Speaker 1: take plays off, quarters off, that they snooze mentally, you
Speaker 1: don't reveal. I felt like he was trying to be human,
Speaker 1: and he probably shouldn't have. I did, like, as someone
Speaker 1: is a space get at Like, doesn't your mind just
Speaker 1: sometimes wander, like even when you're on like live TV.
Speaker 1: It's a problem for sure, But that's reason I wait,
Speaker 1: wait a second, Yeah, but you're not supposed to give
Speaker 1: the tour of the sausage factory, right, I do like that.
Speaker 1: Remember in the nineties when it was like a late
Speaker 1: nineties show on Fox and everybody was super pissed about it.
Speaker 1: In the Magic World, this guy was like showing all
Speaker 1: the tricks, all the different sleight of hands tricks and
Speaker 1: cutting the body in half of a saw tricks. And
Speaker 1: you don't do that, John Harry, this is not a
Speaker 1: Fox reality show. Come on the prestige man, All right,
Speaker 1: good stuff. Let's never think about that game ever again.
Speaker 1: Um Greg I listen. I don't want to be confrontational here. Greg,
Speaker 1: But I really liked your debrief. The one thing I
Speaker 1: didn't like is that you allowed our editorial team to
Speaker 1: use the HTML formatting of my power rankings. When you
Speaker 1: ranked the eleven teams that should be frustrated after week ten.
Speaker 1: That's out of bounds and I didn't know that. I
Speaker 1: never property haven't they used that format though for years
Speaker 1: Basically for like the Shook quarterback rankings, the position rankings,
Speaker 1: once it's attached to a DAN, I have not Dan's
Speaker 1: not going to consider what happened. I have not checked
Speaker 1: that out. I didn't even know that. I'm I'm glad
Speaker 1: they did. That really makes it like a ranking, al right,
Speaker 1: I mean there was a lot of there was a
Speaker 1: lot of explanations there. I will connect with Aliban party
Speaker 1: to get to the boy. This reminds me of when
Speaker 1: the previous UM owner of the Power Rankings called me
Speaker 1: into an office UM set like an hour long meeting
Speaker 1: UM for this meeting, and spoke to me for forty
Speaker 1: five minutes that he didn't want us to use the
Speaker 1: phrase positional power rankings because he sort of owned the
Speaker 1: I P for Power Rankings, after which I was like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you just like email me. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you just talk to me. Probably I think there were
Speaker 1: deeper things happening there. Greg, I think, don't you know,
Speaker 1: I don't seem like such an ass anymore? Now do
Speaker 1: I know you're second in that ranking? Come down down
Speaker 1: over there? Why I'm just in you're just a little
Speaker 1: you're a little uh fired up over there. That's it's
Speaker 1: a good segue. I think this is the time here
Speaker 1: people are a little they're a little ornery. It's like
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten to Thanksgiving yet. It's been a long season,
Speaker 1: but you're not to like the stretch run. And that's
Speaker 1: what That's what these rankings were about. Who who's the
Speaker 1: Who's ornery, who's a little cranky? Who's who's piste off?
Speaker 1: Like you know, Lamar said he was piste off? Who else?
Speaker 1: Who did? Peterson was like, I'm piste off. Every La
Speaker 1: Fleur was I'm piste off. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: pis Let's let's listen the good way to get into
Speaker 1: this conversation because you do have the Eagles at number one,
Speaker 1: and the Eagles are really you know, to three five
Speaker 1: and one that just got beat by who j Men
Speaker 1: and Carson Wentz is a mess, and part of that
Speaker 1: goes on Eagles coach Doug Peterson, and then he goes
Speaker 1: on local radio and he has to deal with this intro,
Speaker 1: which just boggles my mind. Who do you blame the
Speaker 1: most for the Eagles ten point lost the Giants seventy
Speaker 1: two coaching head coach of the Eagles, Doug Peterson, Hi, Dog,
Speaker 1: good morning, Andrew. Thanks for I appreciate that. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: that was just was awesome. That really let that just
Speaker 1: puts me in a great mood today. Already in a
Speaker 1: good mood, I kind of felt you probably wouldn't be
Speaker 1: in a good mood. You hang up now, No, no, please,
Speaker 1: don't do I'm feeling my obligation right now. Hanging up,
Speaker 1: I'm filling my obligation. Dog, I fully understand. Angelo, all right,
Speaker 1: what about Duck, I'm piste off. I love it. I
Speaker 1: didn't even hear about this story. That that is rough.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Can you how incompetent can you be
Speaker 1: bringing in the what was that? Doug christ Angelo? I
Speaker 1: get it. I'm with you, Doug. Yeah, he has because
Speaker 1: he's like an employee there. Ultimately they're paying, you know,
Speaker 1: he's working for that station and it's sort of smarmy, like,
Speaker 1: you know, viewers pull on what they're most annoyed by
Speaker 1: and the idea they don't know what they're running before
Speaker 1: the head coach of the phil Eagles comes on the show, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the zoom meetings between the Eagles and this is this
Speaker 1: happened with Andy Reid to um, I think it over
Speaker 1: when they're losing. Man, it the reporters in Philly really
Speaker 1: get into They get into the coaches, you know what,
Speaker 1: a little more aggressively than any than just about anyone else.
Speaker 1: But here's here's the deal. If you're gonna do that,
Speaker 1: then then own up to it. Don't be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry coach that we just we only had so
Speaker 1: many things to know, Like link be a jerk. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a jerk, it's got one super Bowl
Speaker 1: with Nick Foles is the starting quarterback. Like, let's be real, man. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you have the Eagles at number one, Greg, why did
Speaker 1: they why do they stand out above all of their
Speaker 1: teams in terms of who should be frustrated right now? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we we don't have to go to because we've we've
Speaker 1: talked so much. But I think it's because they're stuck
Speaker 1: in this terrible spot where they still matter so much
Speaker 1: because they're still winning. This should be a time. Mike
Speaker 1: Silver mentioned on her air that you know they're gonna
Speaker 1: look at blowing things up possibly, but they're in first place.
Speaker 1: So it's like this endless cycle where I don't think this.
Speaker 1: I think five wins is gonna win them this division
Speaker 1: with that tie if you look at all the schedules,
Speaker 1: if they can scrape two more wins out, it's like
Speaker 1: this purgatory. But I think what's similar about the top
Speaker 1: of the list is if your quarterback, if you're a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback or the guy you were hoping to be,
Speaker 1: is a problem. I think that's the worst spot you
Speaker 1: can be there in this in between where they have
Speaker 1: old players worth a ton of money, like making a
Speaker 1: ton of money, and this should have been a go year,
Speaker 1: and it just feels like everything about this is gonna
Speaker 1: be drawn out because of this division, because they might
Speaker 1: even make the playoffs, Like either way, it's just seems
Speaker 1: so painful and impossible, almost like how they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to decide what to do. It's a pretty interesting departure
Speaker 1: from a couple of years ago. When the Eagles front
Speaker 1: office under Howry Roseman was this you know analytics darling
Speaker 1: that found a perfect way to marry numbers and on
Speaker 1: field scouting and old football, you know knowledge with new knowledge.
Speaker 1: And now they're they're they have they have huge cap
Speaker 1: issues going into next season. All goes back to wins.
Speaker 1: Though if wins doesn't stink, then we probably wouldn't be
Speaker 1: talking about this. But they're gonna have to make a
Speaker 1: decision there. Flip side, if someone told you you only
Speaker 1: need five wins um in August, so they need five
Speaker 1: wins to win the division? Would that put you in
Speaker 1: a good mood? But I mean, that's the thing. Well,
Speaker 1: I think i'd like to Greg's point, like, if you
Speaker 1: win the NFC East this year, what does that say
Speaker 1: about your organization? Not? Not much at all. You have
Speaker 1: You don't have the Cowboys on this list, but they
Speaker 1: I'll jump in here since we're talking to NFC East.
Speaker 1: To me, they have to be frustrated because we talked
Speaker 1: about it going into the season that it seemed like
Speaker 1: things could break right for them. Finally it was all
Speaker 1: there and they should have walked to a division title
Speaker 1: this year. If if things played out the way they
Speaker 1: should have. They should have been picking up five or
Speaker 1: six wins in this bad division, and they should have
Speaker 1: had Dak Prescott on the field and some of these
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy and some of these other players. You win
Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen games potentially who those But instead, the
Speaker 1: injury God's turned on you. Your roster is worse than
Speaker 1: you realize and doesn't have the depth to survive the injuries,
Speaker 1: and you go up in flames. So it's like, this
Speaker 1: felt like and what's been an endless waiting period for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to really make another run. This seemed like
Speaker 1: a year set up well for them, and they just
Speaker 1: were not able to capitalize on it. It hurts Patrick,
Speaker 1: you know, closet Cowboys fan. I haven't totally even given
Speaker 1: up on them because their defense has looked much better
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks and Dones coming back. I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't know, how is it? How
Speaker 1: is it going to get worse? Who's the question with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense? And I like when we were when
Speaker 1: I was looking at when I was looking at Greg's list, right,
Speaker 1: the the idea that somebody should be frustrated, Right, So
Speaker 1: if we're going from the perspective of a fan base,
Speaker 1: you can be frustrated, but who's who are you frustrated with?
Speaker 1: And if you're if you're a fan of the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: ultimately you're frustrated with the circumstance of your of your
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback breaking his leg right. Nobody in theory could
Speaker 1: have prevented that, but you could have had your owner,
Speaker 1: in the facto general manager pay that quarterback because um.
Speaker 1: Another thing that adds to frustration is seeing players who
Speaker 1: your team developed go to a franchise, like a Byron
Speaker 1: Jones going to Miami who was a perennial loser. Now
Speaker 1: they're in the midst of a playoff race. And the
Speaker 1: idea was, you can't keep Byron Jones because you have
Speaker 1: to pay the quarterback. But you don't pay the quarterback,
Speaker 1: So what was the point of losing this talent? And
Speaker 1: now your your defense is giving up points, is leaking
Speaker 1: like a sieve, and and what do you have to
Speaker 1: show for You've got nothing this failed season in which
Speaker 1: the division is horrible, Like like you said, Dan, like
Speaker 1: who wins the East doesn't really matter. Everybody's mad anyway, Mark,
Speaker 1: what jumped out to you on this list or perhaps
Speaker 1: not on the list. UM, I agree. I think that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of arguments that if you are part
Speaker 1: of the Niners organization, UM, just you look at I
Speaker 1: gathered together and I'm not gonna waste forty It would
Speaker 1: take probably a minute and a half to read off
Speaker 1: all the injuries they've had in Corona issues. Um, there's
Speaker 1: like forty six names here. I mean that alone, you're
Speaker 1: you're the You're the defending NFC title champions. And I
Speaker 1: would say that a little bit in the Wentz world,
Speaker 1: you have, Um, this this season is a lost cause.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why, because Dan and Eric and
Speaker 1: I forked them to Thursday Nights ago. So the organization
Speaker 1: knows that it's over for them this season. Uh. But
Speaker 1: a larger, a larger question looms. You've given seventy four
Speaker 1: million dollars to a quarterback for thirty starts over the
Speaker 1: course of four years, and I think you have to
Speaker 1: you there are narratives and areas and pots possible future
Speaker 1: scenarios where Jimmy g is not the starter here anymore
Speaker 1: after this, um, and you might be starting over at quarterback,
Speaker 1: or if you don't, you've got to continue to probably
Speaker 1: play around Jimmy g which at some point gets old.
Speaker 1: If you're Cayl Shanahan, so you're you're entering into an
Speaker 1: off season where a lot is about to happen. I
Speaker 1: wanna bring up to that it maybe people be a
Speaker 1: little more surprised around this. Number one is the Titans, because,
Speaker 1: like like you mentioned, with the Cowboys, I think things
Speaker 1: were set up. We were starting to feel like the
Speaker 1: Titans have turned the corner. They were five and oh
Speaker 1: they're two and two in games that have been decided
Speaker 1: by more than a field goal this year, and they
Speaker 1: got pushed around on Thursday night. They gotta play Baltimore
Speaker 1: and then Indianapolis. Again. Maybe they'll surprise me and they'll
Speaker 1: win both those games, but it doesn't They feel a
Speaker 1: lot closer to just being another nine and seven team
Speaker 1: again with a bad defense and a bat in an
Speaker 1: offensive line that's kind of collapsing right now. That's a
Speaker 1: bad recipe. And then the Saints. Maybe the Saints fans
Speaker 1: don't feel like this, but this feels like it's it
Speaker 1: for Drew Brees and the team's really good and and
Speaker 1: I think he's playing at a higher level than Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning was in his last year, but when ian rapport
Speaker 1: started like mentioning all the other injuries, and I think
Speaker 1: there's some that maybe aren't even getting mentioned publicly because
Speaker 1: they're already getting in trouble with the injury report for
Speaker 1: not reporting his shoulder injuries and his ribbon previous rib injuries.
Speaker 1: He might be bolsh Soldiers. There might be something going on.
Speaker 1: Who knows you? You want Breeze out there. He'd been
Speaker 1: playing pretty well. He had reached the top ten in
Speaker 1: the QB Index, and I think they had to have it.
Speaker 1: I think they still have a chance. Maybe he'll come
Speaker 1: back to go win a Super Bowl, but right when
Speaker 1: things were starting to crank up, you lose him. Jamis
Speaker 1: didn't inspire a lot of confidence last week. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: he'll be better, but it's a bummer, I think for
Speaker 1: that team who is more all in than any We
Speaker 1: always say, like all in, who is more all in
Speaker 1: than the Saints being a hundred million dollars over the
Speaker 1: cap for next year and Breeze almost certainly being in
Speaker 1: his last year. So maybe Breeze comes back and he's
Speaker 1: fine by by when it matters, but I would be
Speaker 1: I would be a little frustrating right now after taking
Speaker 1: that hit, I'll throw out since you mentioned the niners
Speaker 1: um mark and the idea that the window which seemed
Speaker 1: open shut very quickly and hopefully they can open it
Speaker 1: back up again. But I'm very frustrated right now if
Speaker 1: I'm the Ravens, because there is a creeping sense of
Speaker 1: dread perhaps that you know, you were window where you
Speaker 1: were supposed to go and win this damn thing uh closed,
Speaker 1: and now you gotta figure out how to do it
Speaker 1: a different way because last year I and I come
Speaker 1: back to this a lot, because usually when you have
Speaker 1: the season that the Ravens had last year, when you
Speaker 1: kind of take the league by storm, you actually catch
Speaker 1: the league with it with their pants down. Is what
Speaker 1: they did on offense last year, with that, with the
Speaker 1: tight ends and with the running backs, and then of
Speaker 1: course Lamar just being brilliant um on top of it all. Uh,
Speaker 1: you just set the league on fire. And then obviously,
Speaker 1: unfortunately for them, things didn't work out in their playoff game.
Speaker 1: And now who knows what's happening this year? Is that
Speaker 1: the league catching up a little bit? Is that injuries?
Speaker 1: Is it both? Uh? Is it Lamar not playing at
Speaker 1: the same level. It's probably a combination of all those things.
Speaker 1: And it's still early enough where they can get things
Speaker 1: figured out and they still have about very high ceiling.
Speaker 1: But I would understand if inside that building and John
Speaker 1: Harbor puts his head, uh to take a nap on
Speaker 1: his cow uch in his office, he's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: did did we have our chance? And the chances already gone?
Speaker 1: I wonder if they think about that well. I mean
Speaker 1: that being said, right, they are a Willie sneed catch
Speaker 1: away from knocking off a team in their division. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's the last undefeated team in the NFL. And not
Speaker 1: only that, right, they had the drive before that against
Speaker 1: the Steelers where they also had a chance to score.
Speaker 1: It was fourth down inside the red zone and they
Speaker 1: didn't get that. Part of the problem though with them,
Speaker 1: it's it's that ability to kind of just well, the
Speaker 1: thing is right with with windows in the NFL. The
Speaker 1: window is your window of opportunity. It's not your it's
Speaker 1: not like a digital yes, no thing, it's do you
Speaker 1: have a chance? Right? And they still have a chance. Um,
Speaker 1: I think I really do. But there are some signs
Speaker 1: that are worrisome defensively, offensively, just in terms of the
Speaker 1: they are known as sort of like a tough team,
Speaker 1: and they're no longer like when their offensive line that
Speaker 1: starts falling apart and Nick Boyle is going to be
Speaker 1: part of that, that to me ruins at all and
Speaker 1: they have not been able to set the edge. They're
Speaker 1: playing the Titans team we'll talk about on Thursday, but
Speaker 1: that matchup is fascinating because the Titans kind of match
Speaker 1: up well to go after that week that said, there's
Speaker 1: such a good org Dan that, um, like, I think
Speaker 1: they have a chance to win the Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 1: But they're not someone I see as like a window
Speaker 1: team because they have what I would consider a top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback to build around and an organ organization that's
Speaker 1: shown they can be a great defense year after year,
Speaker 1: and so I don't like see them going away. I
Speaker 1: just yeah, I'd be frustrating if they come out of
Speaker 1: this year not winning the super Bowl. Of course, um
Speaker 1: after how good they were, but they just seem like
Speaker 1: one of those teams that's gonna be around each and
Speaker 1: every year. Here's the thing though, I mean the Seas
Speaker 1: to Dan's point, it's the Ravens, so like the floor
Speaker 1: is different than what some of these other scenarios we're
Speaker 1: talking about. But Lamar Jackson mentioned earlier in the year
Speaker 1: when they were having a few up and down issues,
Speaker 1: like people have taken what Tennessee did in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and applied it to us that he sees it week
Speaker 1: after week. Last week at this time, he was saying,
Speaker 1: the teams are calling out their lace. I think at
Speaker 1: some point they're gonna have to look at their offense
Speaker 1: and say, whether it's a Greg Roman issue or whatever,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to rethink how we attack teams because
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be happening to a team that's gonna go
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Roman got fired pretty quickly after
Speaker 1: basically you know, quote unquote revolutionizing the NFL and doing
Speaker 1: an awesome job with Kaepernick, and then it fell apart
Speaker 1: quickly and he got fired pretty quickly. I don't think
Speaker 1: that will happen, but he just the way he does
Speaker 1: his offense. Who knows, you know, he might pizza finish
Speaker 1: the pizza. I know, you know what, I've thought about
Speaker 1: that if you had had that extra slice there. But um,
Speaker 1: he's probably frustrated because he should have made a full
Speaker 1: push to get the head coaching job. Last offseason. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Q rating is tumbling by the hour here. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing that works in his favor right is the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Was was an easy spot to blame when it was Kaepernick,
Speaker 1: and it's probably gonna be an easy spot to blame
Speaker 1: again when it's Lamar. The way that people questioned them,
Speaker 1: but at some point not a fear of the Ravens
Speaker 1: though the Ravens aren't going to be questioning Lamar, especially
Speaker 1: especially after that game against New England, right were other
Speaker 1: than that pick at the end of the first half.
Speaker 1: Lamar kind of did everything that he could possibly do
Speaker 1: and they still didn't win the game. Um, But on
Speaker 1: the terms of quarterbacks, you know, going through Greg's list,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna pick a team to be frustrated about,
Speaker 1: it's a team that already has their franchise quarterback and
Speaker 1: the rest of the whole franchise is an absolute ruin.
Speaker 1: It's Greg's number two teams, the Houston Texans, because like
Speaker 1: whether it's Jimmy g and Greg's top five or you know,
Speaker 1: trying to see is Carson wins the future? Like nobody
Speaker 1: is questioning if Deshaun is the future, but just everything
Speaker 1: is in shambles, and like Tyron Matthew is on Twitter
Speaker 1: making jokes about fitting the culture because like new Hopkins
Speaker 1: got traded, there's just so many angles for a fan
Speaker 1: of the Houston Texans uh to just be ready to
Speaker 1: flush this this entire thing. And I think that's my
Speaker 1: number one. They were number two on my list because
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, crossed my mind also when I was
Speaker 1: when I was doing just the research before the show
Speaker 1: that Deshaun Watson signed a four year extension before this
Speaker 1: season starts. Now, you signed an extension I think pays
Speaker 1: him nearly forty million dollars a year, So no one's
Speaker 1: ever going to say, I wonder if he's doubting signing
Speaker 1: that extension, because look at Dak Prescott right now. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm sure he's he's obviously frustrated,
Speaker 1: he's piste off Angelo that he signs this deal, getting
Speaker 1: himself in deeper with an organization that right now seems
Speaker 1: a little bit rudderless, and he's tied to them. So
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really curious how um the media and
Speaker 1: public outcry against the setup that the Texans have now
Speaker 1: and you know, we don't need to talk about Jackie
Speaker 1: easter Be specifically anymore, don't do it, Mark done it.
Speaker 1: We've done it. We don't need insurance. You've got a
Speaker 1: dental plan. We don't have to repeat ourselves. But I
Speaker 1: think it was really fascinating to see our guy then
Speaker 1: the network insider. It's in his contract. You have to
Speaker 1: say NFL network insider part it's really true. The other
Speaker 1: guys are just NFL Networks Tom Pelsero. But Ian's the insider.
Speaker 1: He had. He had that report Sunday morning, and when
Speaker 1: he does these reports, he's always telling you something good.
Speaker 1: That they might keep Romeo Cornell next year, and that
Speaker 1: in that scenario there might not be a GM, that
Speaker 1: it's just Easter B And so that that tells me
Speaker 1: like they're they're priming the pump. They're either checking out
Speaker 1: to see if the public revolt, or they're just like
Speaker 1: kind of trying to let everyone down easy, that this
Speaker 1: is what's happening. They when you start mentioning that, um,
Speaker 1: they couldn't fly in people, you know, necessarily for interviews
Speaker 1: because of COVID for the new head coaching job, so
Speaker 1: you might as well keep Romeo. Was a very generous
Speaker 1: report for the Texans I mean what what I mean
Speaker 1: what you can't you can't pick a head coach on zoom.
Speaker 1: You're you're, you're, you have like people in the stadium.
Speaker 1: You can't do a head coaching interview. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's well, it's actually it's a cood ata, you know,
Speaker 1: happening before our eyes. So you know, have a nice
Speaker 1: time with that. Texans fans, all right, check out the
Speaker 1: debrief on NFL dot com Slash Rosenthal. I'll tell our
Speaker 1: editors you know, that is Power Rankings, um property. It's
Speaker 1: I thought it was the I P of the Power Rankings,
Speaker 1: and you want to the Power Rankings is an important
Speaker 1: article on their website every week. I would think they'd
Speaker 1: wanted to have a unique look, but apparently, you know,
Speaker 1: they have other ideas and maybe I just need to
Speaker 1: get my opinion in there and shake things up, all right,
Speaker 1: before we go Thursday night football. Good stuff here. This
Speaker 1: is really good Cardinals at Seahawks to six and three team.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's seven thousand, six and three teams
Speaker 1: in the league right now, and here's two of them,
Speaker 1: and they are in two very different places right now.
Speaker 1: Because the Cardinals obviously coming off the drama of the
Speaker 1: Hail Murray just a brilliant win against the Bills. And
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Now they've you know, they've lost three or
Speaker 1: four and uh they are They have a quarterback in
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson who has seven turnovers in the last two weeks,
Speaker 1: so maybe he's in a little bit of a funk
Speaker 1: right now, which they frankly, quite frankly, Patrick Claybron the
Speaker 1: Seahawks as they're built can't really deal with a Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson funk of any extended uh measure. No, and when everything,
Speaker 1: like the whole plane is built off of Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: at this point. And so there's there's gonna be fluctuations
Speaker 1: that they're gonna be high variants because they don't have
Speaker 1: a defense. They lose to a Jared Golf team, uh
Speaker 1: where the you know, the Rams lose Andrew Witworth, and
Speaker 1: you wonder what their long term viability is at this point.
Speaker 1: But um, this is what it's gonna be. Like we
Speaker 1: we knew this early on that this defense can't stop anybody.
Speaker 1: So this is this is all gonna kind of be
Speaker 1: built on whether or not rust can complete those balls.
Speaker 1: And you you see, like the past, the Tyler being
Speaker 1: knocked away and there's one pass to two d K
Speaker 1: where Jalen Ramsey played great. If that happens in the playoffs, yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's there's only so many teams that can do that. Uh,
Speaker 1: they can match up with the Seahawks. So it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to to Russ making a play
Speaker 1: in the final moments, which is what the Sea Hawks
Speaker 1: always come down to. So so I don't think they
Speaker 1: can be uh to frustrated with their position, because that's
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be every single year. I thought that
Speaker 1: I still think that their defense could get better. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I hadn't given up hopes because it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. They're usually well coached and they have some
Speaker 1: talented players that if they can get to be average
Speaker 1: by the end of the season, they can be a factor.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think that's possible. I'm actually more
Speaker 1: concerned with their offense at the moment because that's how
Speaker 1: they're built. UM and I think this matchup is really interesting.
Speaker 1: First of all, it might be the first time that
Speaker 1: two teams have play in prime time UM in a month,
Speaker 1: you know, two times in a month, both games in
Speaker 1: primetime other one was switched because of a COVID issue.
Speaker 1: Um but I love it. But who yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean this sign me up for all these NFC
Speaker 1: West gemes. But I think it's it's kind of telling
Speaker 1: because I think the end of that game, when Vance
Speaker 1: Joseph started cooking up the Seahawks offensive line with all
Speaker 1: those pressures and the Cardinals don't really get pressures on
Speaker 1: their own, that's set up what's happened to the Seahawks since.
Speaker 1: Because the Seahawks offensive line had no answers. Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: surprisingly for a veteran quarterback somewhere, had no answers. And
Speaker 1: that's been the game plan ever since. Even in the
Speaker 1: game against the Bills um which they put up points,
Speaker 1: they had no answer for the Bills blitz. Last week
Speaker 1: against the Rams, they had no answer. And you just
Speaker 1: that's an offensive line thing, that's a coaching thing, and
Speaker 1: that's a rust thing. It's all together, and you gotta
Speaker 1: expect the Cardinals to do it again. Are you saying
Speaker 1: let Vance cook That's right, he's gonna have to. He
Speaker 1: doesn't really have any players up front either. It's not
Speaker 1: like they had they had any pass rush as we
Speaker 1: saw against Buffalo. I mean they barely sniffed Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: I mean the Broncos gave him a chef's kitchen and
Speaker 1: he did he did attempt to cook and that didn't
Speaker 1: go too well. So I don't know if he should
Speaker 1: be Maybe they get in the whole house. He's not
Speaker 1: a guy who can take care of the whole house,
Speaker 1: but maybe he can do some damage in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: That that's a possibility. I like, I feel like, for
Speaker 1: the first time since we've been doing this show. I
Speaker 1: don't know what is it, thirteen episodes or something, I
Speaker 1: don't trust the Seahawks. This is the first time I
Speaker 1: felt that way. And Greg, I'm surprised. I know this
Speaker 1: is what you mean literally, but that you're more concerned
Speaker 1: about the offense than the defense. Um this defense because
Speaker 1: they can't survive being an average offense, which they have, Well,
Speaker 1: that would break the back, but it's because the defense
Speaker 1: has been, you know, consistently horrible. That game against um Arizona,
Speaker 1: I thought was such an effective show of what both
Speaker 1: offenses could do. They combined for about a thousand yards
Speaker 1: at the end of regulation, but there was no stopping.
Speaker 1: I thought the Cardinals in terms of the play that
Speaker 1: you called unstoppable Greg Kyler Murray on the ground, I
Speaker 1: mean he fried Buffalo is well, and I just I
Speaker 1: don't like the trajectory of the Seahawks team right now.
Speaker 1: They were exhausted at the end of that game against
Speaker 1: the Cardinals last time winded. No. I know it went
Speaker 1: into overtime, that game had possessions, but I don't see
Speaker 1: why the script would be that different. That was like
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. These teams haven't changed that much, and
Speaker 1: you know, you get them all out of his back,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's healthy and like one guy alone,
Speaker 1: it's not going to make the difference here. One thing
Speaker 1: that does help, if you're gonna make an argument for
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks, is there's a there's a reason right
Speaker 1: that that Alex Collins was off the street that we
Speaker 1: haven't seen DJ Dallas make a lot of plays, And
Speaker 1: there's there's this, you know, super trite conversation about what
Speaker 1: running backs actually bring to the table. But like especially
Speaker 1: in past protection with dealing with the blitz, Uh, it's
Speaker 1: gonna help to have Chris Carson back. Um, it's gonna
Speaker 1: help russ uh measurably, especially a guy who who makes
Speaker 1: plays leaving the pocket to to have a to have
Speaker 1: a back out there that's killed them. We can do that.
Speaker 1: They haven't been able to pick up short yardage. They
Speaker 1: were missing their starting cornerbacks though still and they're missing
Speaker 1: their starting center very likely still Um and the Cardinals
Speaker 1: running game. I do think they're different than a month ago.
Speaker 1: I think they're more consistent throwing the ball, and when
Speaker 1: they get Kenyan Drake back, that three headed monster does matter.
Speaker 1: I think him and Edmonds together are better than just
Speaker 1: one of them, and they put up, you know, over
Speaker 1: two hundred yards rushing. They are the best rushing team
Speaker 1: in the league because of Kyler Um, but because they
Speaker 1: have those other two guys and they coach up the
Speaker 1: offensive line really well. I look the one thing that
Speaker 1: can Like one little note on the Seahawks defense, I
Speaker 1: feel you just come out of a game with the Rams,
Speaker 1: a team you know really well, and the Dolphins, basically
Speaker 1: I thought showed how a defense could diagnose Jared Goff
Speaker 1: and make life really difficult. Seattle took no notes from that,
Speaker 1: or if they did, were completely unable to duplicate that.
Speaker 1: So I don't see how you slow down this Cardinals
Speaker 1: team that feels like I don't know what the ceiling
Speaker 1: is for the Cardinals. Would anyone be surprised if they
Speaker 1: were in the fourth quarter of the NFC title game
Speaker 1: with a chance to win. I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule
Speaker 1: them out because I think Kyler Murray is an X
Speaker 1: factor in all of this discussion in the NFC. And
Speaker 1: speaking of Kyler Murray, UM, my last thought on this game.
Speaker 1: We love m v P watch. I think Greg has
Speaker 1: now cleared it. We're allowed to talk about this on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Uh and on the internet. Is that clear? Guy?
Speaker 1: Is that? Are we okay? Yeah? I mean and fat
Speaker 1: and emphatic get started started. We're starting around, turning around
Speaker 1: that corner. Okay. Good. So anyway, primetime games, big deal,
Speaker 1: big deal when you're talking about the m v P.
Speaker 1: We're factors in UH. When people have to cast votes,
Speaker 1: and I have it right now, Mahomes at one, Kyler
Speaker 1: at two, Rogers at three, Russ at four, and then
Speaker 1: take your pick Kamara or Dalvin Cook at five. That's
Speaker 1: my rankings for m v P. So this game under
Speaker 1: the lights and because they're different than the Sunday games.
Speaker 1: It's different than the Sunday one o'clock game. Dollar of
Speaker 1: what claimant says, these games are different. They matter more.
Speaker 1: Um and momentum is a real thing, and trap games exist.
Speaker 1: This is all real and Santa is real. It's all there. Anyway, whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever really steps up and falls out as a quarterback
Speaker 1: in this game, that could that could make it diff watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have Rogers one right now and my Homes two. Um,
Speaker 1: But I definitely don't have, um a problem with with
Speaker 1: Murray and Rust being in there. You know, if they
Speaker 1: if they finished strong, and the Seahawks are favored in
Speaker 1: this game, we're like talking all doom and gloom. It's
Speaker 1: worth noting in the desert. Um, yeah, their favored. I
Speaker 1: think it's a I thought. I think it's a total
Speaker 1: toss up and I and I don't think it's necessarily
Speaker 1: because it's a primetime game. But I do think there
Speaker 1: is something to the fact that the Cardinals are new operation.
Speaker 1: They haven't been in these big games. Um, we're starting
Speaker 1: to get to the portion of like their big game season.
Speaker 1: And I do think that you know, having veterans and
Speaker 1: a heter in coaching staff, and all that knowledge, like
Speaker 1: it helps the Seahawks a little bit here and they
Speaker 1: know how important this is and so wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 1: if we see, um, the best Seahawks you know, effort
Speaker 1: that we've seen over the last month, and it should
Speaker 1: be a good one, great one. This game is going
Speaker 1: to be four and a half hours long. It's good.
Speaker 1: I'll be fine with that. It seems like we could
Speaker 1: have another great game. It's a good job for Colleen,
Speaker 1: and I hope, I hope she has one of these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks at the end of the game. If you put
Speaker 1: a nerf gun to my head, um and how to
Speaker 1: pick the division winner, I probably would despite all their problems.
Speaker 1: I would go with the Seahawks just because of all
Speaker 1: their big game experience. And I do believe Russe will
Speaker 1: come out of this slump. I think it's gonna go
Speaker 1: down to the last week. And you can make a
Speaker 1: case for any of these teams besides the Niners, but
Speaker 1: I think the Seahawks are my pick where we stand
Speaker 1: right now. When I picked Cardinals Seattle second in the RAMS,
Speaker 1: I understand the rams, the metrics heads, No, I don't,
Speaker 1: I do not. I just I I don't see it
Speaker 1: on a week two week basis, I don't see the
Speaker 1: makings of a team that's going to go on a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl run. I'd be I'd be really subcrision. I'd
Speaker 1: be really surprised that they won the division. I I like,
Speaker 1: maybe I and I get overconfident. I confidently feel like
Speaker 1: Arizona is gonna win this division in terms in terms
Speaker 1: of the division, right, I would decide, even with the
Speaker 1: injury to Whitworth, which is a significant problem in terms
Speaker 1: of their Super Bowl aspirations, I think the defense is
Speaker 1: easily positioned as the best of the division, arguably one
Speaker 1: of the best uh in the NFL, and they have
Speaker 1: talent right at spots that nobody else has. Um Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald is probably my perennial m VP pick as as
Speaker 1: a literal uh as as a literal player that's valuable
Speaker 1: uh in in a relative position to his peers. To
Speaker 1: Greg's point, if it's all quarterbacks, if all quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: at the top of your m v P list, then
Speaker 1: what are you saying about their relative value with each other? Really?
Speaker 1: Um So I would say, you know, call it the
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald Award, to give it to him every tier
Speaker 1: because he's that much better than than and the other
Speaker 1: players one Rams in the division maybe Seahawks uh. In
Speaker 1: terms of threatening for the championship, the one huge edge
Speaker 1: of the Seahawks have is schedule. Um, they have not
Speaker 1: played the NFC East, whereas the Cardinals and and the
Speaker 1: Rams beat up. So if if the Seahawks could somehow
Speaker 1: win this game on Thursday, you get their little mini
Speaker 1: by then you've got the Eagles, Giants, Jets, Washington before
Speaker 1: you play the Rams and forty Niners at the end.
Speaker 1: So if you compare the schedules, that's a it's a
Speaker 1: pretty significant edge to the Seahawks if they can, if
Speaker 1: they can pull this game out, especially they lose. They've
Speaker 1: been swept by Arizona, So I mean that's but I mean,
Speaker 1: but you know, you suddenly play Cupcake City and you
Speaker 1: take care of business and you win for in row,
Speaker 1: while the Rams and the Cardinals are dealing with each
Speaker 1: other and dealing with tougher games. That's a problem. Right.
Speaker 1: The path is wide open to eleven wins at least
Speaker 1: if you can win on Thursday. But I gotta win
Speaker 1: on Thursday, all right, Good stuff stuff, Patrick Laban, You've
Speaker 1: done it again. You've said it all, and uh, you've
Speaker 1: done it at the level of grace that very rarely
Speaker 1: is seen on this show. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know about I mean you guys, you guys cracking out
Speaker 1: every every single every single time you're at the plate,
Speaker 1: I mean to to mark plate appearances, and as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, you're on base every single time. So
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm glad to be not just in the stadium, uh,
Speaker 1: in the general vicinity of this uh illustrious podcast. I
Speaker 1: think we've been We've been through a few batting slumps
Speaker 1: along the way, but I'm thank you for that. I'm
Speaker 1: piste off Angela. All right, we'll be back on Thursday.
Speaker 1: We got, of course, the recap of Thursday Night Football
Speaker 1: coming uh that's a mini episode, and then the full
Speaker 1: preview of everything to come in week eleven. Both those
Speaker 1: shows coming up uh this week. Uh. And also you
Speaker 1: u K listeners uh in Game Pass subscribers, keep your
Speaker 1: eyes peeled. That so all I can say, I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I can say that. I think it's
Speaker 1: Game Pass International too, so you know, you could be
Speaker 1: throughout Europe. You know, we know a lot of you
Speaker 1: are sheltering in place right now. I like the coordination
Speaker 1: going on here between the countries and so you've got
Speaker 1: more time at home. I think it's all the international game.
Speaker 1: Pas No, I see how the Irish listeners right now. Irishly,
Speaker 1: we're not the UK. We're separate and you are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can't even agree on numbers over here. So Australia, Germany,
Speaker 1: we got listening here in Africa. It's happening in Africa.
Speaker 1: We're very blessed all of you listeners across the world
Speaker 1: war so please continue to listen and watch and keep
Speaker 1: an eye out over on game Pass. This is Dan
Speaker 1: Hansons signing off for the graceful one. Patrick clay Band,
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