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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. It's the Weakest Link. Goodbye,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition to the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansins. I come to you from

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Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with heroes. Mark Seeler, Greg Rosenthal

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Speaker 1: joining us once again. Patrick Claibn, what's up boys? Salsan's damn,

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Speaker 1: We've we've made it eleven weeks. Oh my gosh, We've

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Speaker 1: done it. We've done it. That is Matt money Smith's

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Speaker 1: money tag today, perfectly timed because it's finally upon us listeners.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw on Twitter. This has

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Speaker 1: been something we've been talking about offline for some time.

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Speaker 1: When does Ricky Hollywood's guest appearance on the NBC game

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Speaker 1: show The Weakest Link finally premier? And we found out

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Speaker 1: the answer during Monday Night Football. My wife was watching,

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Speaker 1: uh the show with her parents and there it is

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Speaker 1: the promo at the end of the app Ricky Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: and I want to bring in Ricky a second. Hey, Ricky, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I just gotta tell you so. The first of all,

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Speaker 1: very excited, Monday night set your DVRs, watch live whatever

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Speaker 1: I forget about Monday Night football next week. It's all

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Speaker 1: about Ricky, Hollywood, I asked you to cut three things

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Speaker 1: from that that brief promo that I am gonna be

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Speaker 1: completely honest with you, Ricky, I'm nervous about okay, and

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Speaker 1: you've done a good job with the the non disclosure agreement. Um,

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Speaker 1: we are being completely honest when we say that Erica

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Speaker 1: was told not to say how the show went. We

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Speaker 1: don't know how the show went, but we got some

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Speaker 1: breadcrumbs here from the promo, so I'm gonna play I

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Speaker 1: asked you to play three First. First, let's hear from

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Speaker 1: Jane Lynch, the host of The Weakest Link. Here's one

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Speaker 1: clip from her. Well, this is what happens when you

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Speaker 1: vote off all the smart people. Okay, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that dog was part of the I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the the canines suddenly, I mean I think the

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Speaker 1: dog like the dog was proving the point there. All right,

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Speaker 1: so the line, let's hear that line again. Sorry, Well,

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Speaker 1: this is what happens when we vote off all the

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Speaker 1: smart people. Okay, that's a bread crumb, Claybon, that qualifies

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Speaker 1: as a bread crumb. That is disturbing on some level. Uh,

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Speaker 1: perhaps not as disturbing as the second, Jane Lynch read

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Speaker 1: crumb that's dropped. Let's hear that? Is it too late

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Speaker 1: to get new contestants? Okay, now now there's now, Now

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Speaker 1: there's real cause for concern. And finally, Erica, should we

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Speaker 1: hear from Ricky very briefly in the promo? And I'd

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Speaker 1: like to say it doesn't connect dots with the Jane

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Speaker 1: Lynch teasers and the promo, but i'd be lying, what

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Speaker 1: was that, Erica? I don't think it went well. Patrick.

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Speaker 1: Am I reading into this wrong by being too negative? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do think you are. The show takes a very

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Speaker 1: deprecating tone, especially the promotions, uh to the show that

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Speaker 1: they want to hit you, uh, you know, set you

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Speaker 1: up and then give you the day dead leg and

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Speaker 1: cut it back and get towards the end zone or

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Speaker 1: the you know, the touchdown area if you will. And

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Speaker 1: I think I think that things went well, honestly I do.

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Speaker 1: In the TV promotions world, I'm looking forward to Monday.

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Speaker 1: I think we've got some good things in store. I

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Speaker 1: feel like you kind of need a translator for Jane Lynch, Like,

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Speaker 1: isn't her role she meant She's meant to come on

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Speaker 1: and be sort of smarmie and like firing arrows at people.

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Speaker 1: So what does it really mean that said? Um, it

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Speaker 1: would be a bit of a surprise if Erica fared

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Speaker 1: well based on what you've called their dan and she

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Speaker 1: sounds fairly I know part of the role being the host,

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Speaker 1: was she was sardonic as well. But I don't know, Ricky.

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Speaker 1: I just I hope things went well. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to it. We're all gonna be watching. Uh and it

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Speaker 1: sinks up nicely with our Tuesday edition of the podcast

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Speaker 1: next week to unpack it. But how are you feeling

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Speaker 1: knowing that your life may may very well change? Uh?

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Speaker 1: In Yeah, I'm ready for the public to see what

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Speaker 1: actually happened. Um, you know it. Did they pick the

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Speaker 1: greatest you know screenshot to show me in this promote? No? Um,

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Speaker 1: but you know what I think, like, I can handle

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Speaker 1: some adversity and um, someone tweeted at me like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the camera doesn't add twenty pounds, it adds twenty years.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, why would you say that all out?

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Speaker 1: to keep keeping us in the dark. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: honest her. And perhaps, you know, perhaps Erica could have

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Speaker 1: been one of the people that was smart that got

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Speaker 1: Is is caping for Erica tam policy because she's amazing.

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Speaker 1: You know, your your dollars of optimism is really welcome

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Speaker 1: around these parts. Patrick claiban Um, all right, yes, good show.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good show when Ricky's on the

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Speaker 1: weakest link. We got a good show on the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL podcast today, much to get into. We're going

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Speaker 1: to begin our look ahead to week eleven, and we

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Speaker 1: have an excellent, excellent Week eleven matchup on Thursday Night Football,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals at the Seahawks, So we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: that game. Also, Greg wrote a woozy banger, the Old

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Speaker 1: Deep Reef, the Old Rosenthal Debrief, talking about teams who

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Speaker 1: are have every right to be frustrated at this point

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Speaker 1: in the season. I will go through Greg's list and

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Speaker 1: didn't make Greg's list. But first, let us start, as

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Speaker 1: we always do on this show, with the Monday Night

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Speaker 1: Football recap. We have to it's contractually obligated. You still

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Speaker 1: from Steve Leaving Kirk Cousins throws two touchdowns both as

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Speaker 1: It is. It is tough to watch Chicago Bears football

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Speaker 1: and my impression of the Vikings, um continues to change. Uh.

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Speaker 1: with and and that's why, Like when he completed that

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Speaker 1: goes on Eagles coach Doug Peterson, and then he goes

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Speaker 1: on local radio and he has to deal with this intro,

426
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: which just boggles my mind. Who do you blame the

427
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: most for the Eagles ten point lost the Giants seventy

428
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: two coaching head coach of the Eagles, Doug Peterson, Hi, Dog,

429
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: good morning, Andrew. Thanks for I appreciate that. Sorry, I

430
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: that was just was awesome. That really let that just

431
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: puts me in a great mood today. Already in a

432
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: good mood, I kind of felt you probably wouldn't be

433
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: in a good mood. You hang up now, No, no, please,

434
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 1: don't do I'm feeling my obligation right now. Hanging up,

435
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm filling my obligation. Dog, I fully understand. Angelo, all right,

436
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: what about Duck, I'm piste off. I love it. I

437
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: didn't even hear about this story. That that is rough.

438
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Can you how incompetent can you be

439
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: bringing in the what was that? Doug christ Angelo? I

440
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: get it. I'm with you, Doug. Yeah, he has because

441
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: he's like an employee there. Ultimately they're paying, you know,

442
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: he's working for that station and it's sort of smarmy, like,

443
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, viewers pull on what they're most annoyed by

444
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: and the idea they don't know what they're running before

445
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: the head coach of the phil Eagles comes on the show, like, yeah,

446
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: the zoom meetings between the Eagles and this is this

447
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: happened with Andy Reid to um, I think it over

448
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: when they're losing. Man, it the reporters in Philly really

449
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: get into They get into the coaches, you know what,

450
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: a little more aggressively than any than just about anyone else.

451
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: But here's here's the deal. If you're gonna do that,

452
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: then then own up to it. Don't be like, oh,

453
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: I'm sorry coach that we just we only had so

454
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: many things to know, Like link be a jerk. If

455
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a jerk, it's got one super Bowl

456
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: with Nick Foles is the starting quarterback. Like, let's be real, man. Anyway,

457
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: you have the Eagles at number one, Greg, why did

458
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: they why do they stand out above all of their

459
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: teams in terms of who should be frustrated right now? Yeah, well,

460
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: we we don't have to go to because we've we've

461
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: talked so much. But I think it's because they're stuck

462
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: in this terrible spot where they still matter so much

463
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: because they're still winning. This should be a time. Mike

464
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: Silver mentioned on her air that you know they're gonna

465
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: look at blowing things up possibly, but they're in first place.

466
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: So it's like this endless cycle where I don't think this.

467
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: I think five wins is gonna win them this division

468
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: with that tie if you look at all the schedules,

469
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: if they can scrape two more wins out, it's like

470
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: this purgatory. But I think what's similar about the top

471
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: of the list is if your quarterback, if you're a

472
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback or the guy you were hoping to be,

473
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: is a problem. I think that's the worst spot you

474
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: can be there in this in between where they have

475
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,719
Speaker 1: old players worth a ton of money, like making a

476
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: ton of money, and this should have been a go year,

477
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: and it just feels like everything about this is gonna

478
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: be drawn out because of this division, because they might

479
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 1: even make the playoffs, Like either way, it's just seems

480
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: so painful and impossible, almost like how they're gonna have

481
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: to decide what to do. It's a pretty interesting departure

482
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: from a couple of years ago. When the Eagles front

483
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: office under Howry Roseman was this you know analytics darling

484
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: that found a perfect way to marry numbers and on

485
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: field scouting and old football, you know knowledge with new knowledge.

486
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: And now they're they're they have they have huge cap

487
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: issues going into next season. All goes back to wins.

488
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: Though if wins doesn't stink, then we probably wouldn't be

489
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: talking about this. But they're gonna have to make a

490
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: decision there. Flip side, if someone told you you only

491
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: need five wins um in August, so they need five

492
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: wins to win the division? Would that put you in

493
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: a good mood? But I mean, that's the thing. Well,

494
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: I think i'd like to Greg's point, like, if you

495
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: win the NFC East this year, what does that say

496
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: about your organization? Not? Not much at all. You have

497
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: You don't have the Cowboys on this list, but they

498
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: I'll jump in here since we're talking to NFC East.

499
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: To me, they have to be frustrated because we talked

500
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: about it going into the season that it seemed like

501
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: things could break right for them. Finally it was all

502
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: there and they should have walked to a division title

503
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: this year. If if things played out the way they

504
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: should have. They should have been picking up five or

505
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: six wins in this bad division, and they should have

506
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: had Dak Prescott on the field and some of these

507
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy and some of these other players. You win

508
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen games potentially who those But instead, the

509
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: injury God's turned on you. Your roster is worse than

510
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: you realize and doesn't have the depth to survive the injuries,

511
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 1: and you go up in flames. So it's like, this

512
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: felt like and what's been an endless waiting period for

513
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to really make another run. This seemed like

514
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: a year set up well for them, and they just

515
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: were not able to capitalize on it. It hurts Patrick,

516
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, closet Cowboys fan. I haven't totally even given

517
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: up on them because their defense has looked much better

518
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks and Dones coming back. I

519
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't know, how is it? How

520
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: is it going to get worse? Who's the question with

521
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense? And I like when we were when

522
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: I was looking at when I was looking at Greg's list, right,

523
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: the the idea that somebody should be frustrated, Right, So

524
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: if we're going from the perspective of a fan base,

525
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: you can be frustrated, but who's who are you frustrated with?

526
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: And if you're if you're a fan of the Dallas Cowboys,

527
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: ultimately you're frustrated with the circumstance of your of your

528
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback breaking his leg right. Nobody in theory could

529
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: have prevented that, but you could have had your owner,

530
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: in the facto general manager pay that quarterback because um.

531
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: Another thing that adds to frustration is seeing players who

532
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: your team developed go to a franchise, like a Byron

533
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: Jones going to Miami who was a perennial loser. Now

534
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: they're in the midst of a playoff race. And the

535
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: idea was, you can't keep Byron Jones because you have

536
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: to pay the quarterback. But you don't pay the quarterback,

537
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: So what was the point of losing this talent? And

538
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: now your your defense is giving up points, is leaking

539
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: like a sieve, and and what do you have to

540
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: show for You've got nothing this failed season in which

541
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: the division is horrible, Like like you said, Dan, like

542
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: who wins the East doesn't really matter. Everybody's mad anyway, Mark,

543
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 1: what jumped out to you on this list or perhaps

544
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: not on the list. UM, I agree. I think that

545
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of arguments that if you are part

546
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: of the Niners organization, UM, just you look at I

547
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: gathered together and I'm not gonna waste forty It would

548
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: take probably a minute and a half to read off

549
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: all the injuries they've had in Corona issues. Um, there's

550
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: like forty six names here. I mean that alone, you're

551
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: you're the You're the defending NFC title champions. And I

552
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: would say that a little bit in the Wentz world,

553
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: you have, Um, this this season is a lost cause.

554
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why, because Dan and Eric and

555
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: I forked them to Thursday Nights ago. So the organization

556
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: knows that it's over for them this season. Uh. But

557
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: a larger, a larger question looms. You've given seventy four

558
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: million dollars to a quarterback for thirty starts over the

559
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: course of four years, and I think you have to

560
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: you there are narratives and areas and pots possible future

561
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: scenarios where Jimmy g is not the starter here anymore

562
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: after this, um, and you might be starting over at quarterback,

563
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: or if you don't, you've got to continue to probably

564
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: play around Jimmy g which at some point gets old.

565
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: If you're Cayl Shanahan, so you're you're entering into an

566
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: off season where a lot is about to happen. I

567
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: wanna bring up to that it maybe people be a

568
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: little more surprised around this. Number one is the Titans, because,

569
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: like like you mentioned, with the Cowboys, I think things

570
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: were set up. We were starting to feel like the

571
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: Titans have turned the corner. They were five and oh

572
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: they're two and two in games that have been decided

573
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: by more than a field goal this year, and they

574
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: got pushed around on Thursday night. They gotta play Baltimore

575
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: and then Indianapolis. Again. Maybe they'll surprise me and they'll

576
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: win both those games, but it doesn't They feel a

577
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: lot closer to just being another nine and seven team

578
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: again with a bad defense and a bat in an

579
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: offensive line that's kind of collapsing right now. That's a

580
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: bad recipe. And then the Saints. Maybe the Saints fans

581
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: don't feel like this, but this feels like it's it

582
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: for Drew Brees and the team's really good and and

583
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: I think he's playing at a higher level than Peyton

584
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: Manning was in his last year, but when ian rapport

585
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: started like mentioning all the other injuries, and I think

586
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: there's some that maybe aren't even getting mentioned publicly because

587
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: they're already getting in trouble with the injury report for

588
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: not reporting his shoulder injuries and his ribbon previous rib injuries.

589
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: He might be bolsh Soldiers. There might be something going on.

590
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 1: Who knows you? You want Breeze out there. He'd been

591
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: playing pretty well. He had reached the top ten in

592
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: the QB Index, and I think they had to have it.

593
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: I think they still have a chance. Maybe he'll come

594
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: back to go win a Super Bowl, but right when

595
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: things were starting to crank up, you lose him. Jamis

596
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: didn't inspire a lot of confidence last week. Maybe maybe

597
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: he'll be better, but it's a bummer, I think for

598
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: that team who is more all in than any We

599
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: always say, like all in, who is more all in

600
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: than the Saints being a hundred million dollars over the

601
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: cap for next year and Breeze almost certainly being in

602
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: his last year. So maybe Breeze comes back and he's

603
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: fine by by when it matters, but I would be

604
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: I would be a little frustrating right now after taking

605
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: that hit, I'll throw out since you mentioned the niners

606
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: um mark and the idea that the window which seemed

607
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: open shut very quickly and hopefully they can open it

608
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 1: back up again. But I'm very frustrated right now if

609
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm the Ravens, because there is a creeping sense of

610
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: dread perhaps that you know, you were window where you

611
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: were supposed to go and win this damn thing uh closed,

612
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: and now you gotta figure out how to do it

613
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: a different way because last year I and I come

614
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: back to this a lot, because usually when you have

615
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: the season that the Ravens had last year, when you

616
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: kind of take the league by storm, you actually catch

617
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: the league with it with their pants down. Is what

618
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: they did on offense last year, with that, with the

619
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: tight ends and with the running backs, and then of

620
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: course Lamar just being brilliant um on top of it all. Uh,

621
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: you just set the league on fire. And then obviously,

622
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: unfortunately for them, things didn't work out in their playoff game.

623
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: And now who knows what's happening this year? Is that

624
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: the league catching up a little bit? Is that injuries?

625
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: Is it both? Uh? Is it Lamar not playing at

626
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: the same level. It's probably a combination of all those things.

627
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: And it's still early enough where they can get things

628
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: figured out and they still have about very high ceiling.

629
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: But I would understand if inside that building and John

630
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: Harbor puts his head, uh to take a nap on

631
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: his cow uch in his office, he's like, oh, no,

632
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: did did we have our chance? And the chances already gone?

633
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: I wonder if they think about that well. I mean

634
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: that being said, right, they are a Willie sneed catch

635
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: away from knocking off a team in their division. Uh,

636
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: that's the last undefeated team in the NFL. And not

637
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: only that, right, they had the drive before that against

638
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: the Steelers where they also had a chance to score.

639
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: It was fourth down inside the red zone and they

640
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: didn't get that. Part of the problem though with them,

641
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: it's it's that ability to kind of just well, the

642
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: thing is right with with windows in the NFL. The

643
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: window is your window of opportunity. It's not your it's

644
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Speaker 1: not like a digital yes, no thing, it's do you

645
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Speaker 1: have a chance? Right? And they still have a chance. Um,

646
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Speaker 1: I think I really do. But there are some signs

647
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: that are worrisome defensively, offensively, just in terms of the

648
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: they are known as sort of like a tough team,

649
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: and they're no longer like when their offensive line that

650
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: starts falling apart and Nick Boyle is going to be

651
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: part of that, that to me ruins at all and

652
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: they have not been able to set the edge. They're

653
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: playing the Titans team we'll talk about on Thursday, but

654
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: that matchup is fascinating because the Titans kind of match

655
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: up well to go after that week that said, there's

656
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: such a good org Dan that, um, like, I think

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Speaker 1: they have a chance to win the Super Bowl this year.

658
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: But they're not someone I see as like a window

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Speaker 1: team because they have what I would consider a top

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00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: ten quarterback to build around and an organ organization that's

661
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: shown they can be a great defense year after year,

662
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: and so I don't like see them going away. I

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Speaker 1: just yeah, I'd be frustrating if they come out of

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Speaker 1: this year not winning the super Bowl. Of course, um

665
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Speaker 1: after how good they were, but they just seem like

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Speaker 1: one of those teams that's gonna be around each and

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Speaker 1: every year. Here's the thing though, I mean the Seas

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Speaker 1: to Dan's point, it's the Ravens, so like the floor

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Speaker 1: is different than what some of these other scenarios we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. But Lamar Jackson mentioned earlier in the year

671
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Speaker 1: when they were having a few up and down issues,

672
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: like people have taken what Tennessee did in the playoffs

673
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: and applied it to us that he sees it week

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Speaker 1: after week. Last week at this time, he was saying,

675
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: the teams are calling out their lace. I think at

676
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: some point they're gonna have to look at their offense

677
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: and say, whether it's a Greg Roman issue or whatever,

678
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to rethink how we attack teams because

679
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be happening to a team that's gonna go

680
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Roman got fired pretty quickly after

681
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: basically you know, quote unquote revolutionizing the NFL and doing

682
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: an awesome job with Kaepernick, and then it fell apart

683
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: quickly and he got fired pretty quickly. I don't think

684
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: that will happen, but he just the way he does

685
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: his offense. Who knows, you know, he might pizza finish

686
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: the pizza. I know, you know what, I've thought about

687
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: that if you had had that extra slice there. But um,

688
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: he's probably frustrated because he should have made a full

689
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: push to get the head coaching job. Last offseason. I mean,

690
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: the Q rating is tumbling by the hour here. Well,

691
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: the thing that works in his favor right is the quarterback.

692
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: Was was an easy spot to blame when it was Kaepernick,

693
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: and it's probably gonna be an easy spot to blame

694
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 1: again when it's Lamar. The way that people questioned them,

695
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: but at some point not a fear of the Ravens

696
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: though the Ravens aren't going to be questioning Lamar, especially

697
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: especially after that game against New England, right were other

698
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: than that pick at the end of the first half.

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00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Lamar kind of did everything that he could possibly do

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00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: and they still didn't win the game. Um, But on

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00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: the terms of quarterbacks, you know, going through Greg's list,

702
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna pick a team to be frustrated about,

703
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: it's a team that already has their franchise quarterback and

704
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: the rest of the whole franchise is an absolute ruin.

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00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: It's Greg's number two teams, the Houston Texans, because like

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Speaker 1: whether it's Jimmy g and Greg's top five or you know,

707
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: trying to see is Carson wins the future? Like nobody

708
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: is questioning if Deshaun is the future, but just everything

709
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: is in shambles, and like Tyron Matthew is on Twitter

710
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: making jokes about fitting the culture because like new Hopkins

711
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: got traded, there's just so many angles for a fan

712
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: of the Houston Texans uh to just be ready to

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00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: flush this this entire thing. And I think that's my

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Speaker 1: number one. They were number two on my list because

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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, crossed my mind also when I was

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00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: when I was doing just the research before the show

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00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: that Deshaun Watson signed a four year extension before this

718
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: season starts. Now, you signed an extension I think pays

719
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: him nearly forty million dollars a year, So no one's

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00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: ever going to say, I wonder if he's doubting signing

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00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: that extension, because look at Dak Prescott right now. But

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00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm sure he's he's obviously frustrated,

723
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: he's piste off Angelo that he signs this deal, getting

724
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: himself in deeper with an organization that right now seems

725
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: a little bit rudderless, and he's tied to them. So

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00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really curious how um the media and

727
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: public outcry against the setup that the Texans have now

728
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: and you know, we don't need to talk about Jackie

729
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: easter Be specifically anymore, don't do it, Mark done it.

730
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: We've done it. We don't need insurance. You've got a

731
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: dental plan. We don't have to repeat ourselves. But I

732
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: think it was really fascinating to see our guy then

733
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Speaker 1: the network insider. It's in his contract. You have to

734
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: say NFL network insider part it's really true. The other

735
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: guys are just NFL Networks Tom Pelsero. But Ian's the insider.

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00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: He had. He had that report Sunday morning, and when

737
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: he does these reports, he's always telling you something good.

738
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Speaker 1: That they might keep Romeo Cornell next year, and that

739
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: in that scenario there might not be a GM, that

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00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: it's just Easter B And so that that tells me

741
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: like they're they're priming the pump. They're either checking out

742
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: to see if the public revolt, or they're just like

743
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: kind of trying to let everyone down easy, that this

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00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: is what's happening. They when you start mentioning that, um,

745
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: they couldn't fly in people, you know, necessarily for interviews

746
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: because of COVID for the new head coaching job, so

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00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: you might as well keep Romeo. Was a very generous

748
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: report for the Texans I mean what what I mean

749
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: what you can't you can't pick a head coach on zoom.

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00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: You're you're, you're, you have like people in the stadium.

751
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: You can't do a head coaching interview. I don't know.

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00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: It's well, it's actually it's a cood ata, you know,

753
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: happening before our eyes. So you know, have a nice

754
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: time with that. Texans fans, all right, check out the

755
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: debrief on NFL dot com Slash Rosenthal. I'll tell our

756
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: editors you know, that is Power Rankings, um property. It's

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00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: I thought it was the I P of the Power Rankings,

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00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: and you want to the Power Rankings is an important

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00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: article on their website every week. I would think they'd

760
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: wanted to have a unique look, but apparently, you know,

761
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: they have other ideas and maybe I just need to

762
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: get my opinion in there and shake things up, all right,

763
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: before we go Thursday night football. Good stuff here. This

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00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: is really good Cardinals at Seahawks to six and three team.

765
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: I feel like there's seven thousand, six and three teams

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00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: in the league right now, and here's two of them,

767
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: and they are in two very different places right now.

768
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: Because the Cardinals obviously coming off the drama of the

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00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: Hail Murray just a brilliant win against the Bills. And

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00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Now they've you know, they've lost three or

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00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: four and uh they are They have a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson who has seven turnovers in the last two weeks,

773
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: so maybe he's in a little bit of a funk

774
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: right now, which they frankly, quite frankly, Patrick Claybron the

775
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: Seahawks as they're built can't really deal with a Russell

776
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: Wilson funk of any extended uh measure. No, and when everything,

777
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: like the whole plane is built off of Russell Wilson

778
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: at this point. And so there's there's gonna be fluctuations

779
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: that they're gonna be high variants because they don't have

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00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: a defense. They lose to a Jared Golf team, uh

781
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: where the you know, the Rams lose Andrew Witworth, and

782
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: you wonder what their long term viability is at this point.

783
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: But um, this is what it's gonna be. Like we

784
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: we knew this early on that this defense can't stop anybody.

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00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: So this is this is all gonna kind of be

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00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: built on whether or not rust can complete those balls.

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00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: And you you see, like the past, the Tyler being

788
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: knocked away and there's one pass to two d K

789
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: where Jalen Ramsey played great. If that happens in the playoffs, yeah,

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00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: but there's there's only so many teams that can do that. Uh,

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00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: they can match up with the Seahawks. So it's you know,

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00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to to Russ making a play

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00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: in the final moments, which is what the Sea Hawks

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00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: always come down to. So so I don't think they

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00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: can be uh to frustrated with their position, because that's

796
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be every single year. I thought that

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00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: I still think that their defense could get better. I mean,

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00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: I guess I hadn't given up hopes because it doesn't

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00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: make sense. They're usually well coached and they have some

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00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: talented players that if they can get to be average

801
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: by the end of the season, they can be a factor.

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00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: And that's why I think that's possible. I'm actually more

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00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: concerned with their offense at the moment because that's how

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00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: they're built. UM and I think this matchup is really interesting.

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00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: First of all, it might be the first time that

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00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: two teams have play in prime time UM in a month,

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00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, two times in a month, both games in

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00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: primetime other one was switched because of a COVID issue.

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00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: Um but I love it. But who yeah, I love it.

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00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean this sign me up for all these NFC

811
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: West gemes. But I think it's it's kind of telling

812
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: because I think the end of that game, when Vance

813
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: Joseph started cooking up the Seahawks offensive line with all

814
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: those pressures and the Cardinals don't really get pressures on

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00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: their own, that's set up what's happened to the Seahawks since.

816
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: Because the Seahawks offensive line had no answers. Russell Wilson,

817
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: surprisingly for a veteran quarterback somewhere, had no answers. And

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00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: that's been the game plan ever since. Even in the

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00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: game against the Bills um which they put up points,

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00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: they had no answer for the Bills blitz. Last week

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00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: against the Rams, they had no answer. And you just

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00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: that's an offensive line thing, that's a coaching thing, and

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00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: that's a rust thing. It's all together, and you gotta

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00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: expect the Cardinals to do it again. Are you saying

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00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: let Vance cook That's right, he's gonna have to. He

826
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: doesn't really have any players up front either. It's not

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00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: like they had they had any pass rush as we

828
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: saw against Buffalo. I mean they barely sniffed Josh Allen.

829
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Speaker 1: I mean the Broncos gave him a chef's kitchen and

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00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: he did he did attempt to cook and that didn't

831
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: go too well. So I don't know if he should

832
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: be Maybe they get in the whole house. He's not

833
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: a guy who can take care of the whole house,

834
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: but maybe he can do some damage in the kitchen.

835
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Speaker 1: That that's a possibility. I like, I feel like, for

836
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Speaker 1: the first time since we've been doing this show. I

837
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: don't know what is it, thirteen episodes or something, I

838
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: don't trust the Seahawks. This is the first time I

839
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: felt that way. And Greg, I'm surprised. I know this

840
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: is what you mean literally, but that you're more concerned

841
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: about the offense than the defense. Um this defense because

842
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: they can't survive being an average offense, which they have, Well,

843
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: that would break the back, but it's because the defense

844
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: has been, you know, consistently horrible. That game against um Arizona,

845
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,479
Speaker 1: I thought was such an effective show of what both

846
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: offenses could do. They combined for about a thousand yards

847
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: at the end of regulation, but there was no stopping.

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00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: I thought the Cardinals in terms of the play that

849
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: you called unstoppable Greg Kyler Murray on the ground, I

850
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: mean he fried Buffalo is well, and I just I

851
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: don't like the trajectory of the Seahawks team right now.

852
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: They were exhausted at the end of that game against

853
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: the Cardinals last time winded. No. I know it went

854
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: into overtime, that game had possessions, but I don't see

855
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: why the script would be that different. That was like

856
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. These teams haven't changed that much, and

857
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, you get them all out of his back,

858
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's healthy and like one guy alone,

859
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: it's not going to make the difference here. One thing

860
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: that does help, if you're gonna make an argument for

861
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks, is there's a there's a reason right

862
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: that that Alex Collins was off the street that we

863
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: haven't seen DJ Dallas make a lot of plays, And

864
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: there's there's this, you know, super trite conversation about what

865
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: running backs actually bring to the table. But like especially

866
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: in past protection with dealing with the blitz, Uh, it's

867
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: gonna help to have Chris Carson back. Um, it's gonna

868
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: help russ uh measurably, especially a guy who who makes

869
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: plays leaving the pocket to to have a to have

870
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: a back out there that's killed them. We can do that.

871
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: They haven't been able to pick up short yardage. They

872
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: were missing their starting cornerbacks though still and they're missing

873
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: their starting center very likely still Um and the Cardinals

874
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: running game. I do think they're different than a month ago.

875
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: I think they're more consistent throwing the ball, and when

876
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: they get Kenyan Drake back, that three headed monster does matter.

877
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: I think him and Edmonds together are better than just

878
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: one of them, and they put up, you know, over

879
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: two hundred yards rushing. They are the best rushing team

880
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: in the league because of Kyler Um, but because they

881
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: have those other two guys and they coach up the

882
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: offensive line really well. I look the one thing that

883
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: can Like one little note on the Seahawks defense, I

884
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: feel you just come out of a game with the Rams,

885
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: a team you know really well, and the Dolphins, basically

886
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: I thought showed how a defense could diagnose Jared Goff

887
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: and make life really difficult. Seattle took no notes from that,

888
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: or if they did, were completely unable to duplicate that.

889
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: So I don't see how you slow down this Cardinals

890
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: team that feels like I don't know what the ceiling

891
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: is for the Cardinals. Would anyone be surprised if they

892
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: were in the fourth quarter of the NFC title game

893
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: with a chance to win. I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule

894
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: them out because I think Kyler Murray is an X

895
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: factor in all of this discussion in the NFC. And

896
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: speaking of Kyler Murray, UM, my last thought on this game.

897
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: We love m v P watch. I think Greg has

898
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: now cleared it. We're allowed to talk about this on

899
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: the podcast. Uh and on the internet. Is that clear? Guy?

900
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: Is that? Are we okay? Yeah? I mean and fat

901
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: and emphatic get started started. We're starting around, turning around

902
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: that corner. Okay. Good. So anyway, primetime games, big deal,

903
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: big deal when you're talking about the m v P.

904
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: We're factors in UH. When people have to cast votes,

905
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: and I have it right now, Mahomes at one, Kyler

906
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: at two, Rogers at three, Russ at four, and then

907
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: take your pick Kamara or Dalvin Cook at five. That's

908
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: my rankings for m v P. So this game under

909
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: the lights and because they're different than the Sunday games.

910
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: It's different than the Sunday one o'clock game. Dollar of

911
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: what claimant says, these games are different. They matter more.

912
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: Um and momentum is a real thing, and trap games exist.

913
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: This is all real and Santa is real. It's all there. Anyway, whoever,

914
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: whoever really steps up and falls out as a quarterback

915
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: in this game, that could that could make it diff watch. Yeah,

916
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: I would have Rogers one right now and my Homes two. Um,

917
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: But I definitely don't have, um a problem with with

918
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: Murray and Rust being in there. You know, if they

919
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: if they finished strong, and the Seahawks are favored in

920
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: this game, we're like talking all doom and gloom. It's

921
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: worth noting in the desert. Um, yeah, their favored. I

922
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: think it's a I thought. I think it's a total

923
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: toss up and I and I don't think it's necessarily

924
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: because it's a primetime game. But I do think there

925
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: is something to the fact that the Cardinals are new operation.

926
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: They haven't been in these big games. Um, we're starting

927
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: to get to the portion of like their big game season.

928
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: And I do think that you know, having veterans and

929
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: a heter in coaching staff, and all that knowledge, like

930
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: it helps the Seahawks a little bit here and they

931
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: know how important this is and so wouldn't surprise me

932
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: if we see, um, the best Seahawks you know, effort

933
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: that we've seen over the last month, and it should

934
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: be a good one, great one. This game is going

935
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: to be four and a half hours long. It's good.

936
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: I'll be fine with that. It seems like we could

937
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: have another great game. It's a good job for Colleen,

938
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: and I hope, I hope she has one of these

939
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: quarterbacks at the end of the game. If you put

940
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: a nerf gun to my head, um and how to

941
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: pick the division winner, I probably would despite all their problems.

942
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: I would go with the Seahawks just because of all

943
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: their big game experience. And I do believe Russe will

944
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: come out of this slump. I think it's gonna go

945
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: down to the last week. And you can make a

946
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: case for any of these teams besides the Niners, but

947
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: I think the Seahawks are my pick where we stand

948
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: right now. When I picked Cardinals Seattle second in the RAMS,

949
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: I understand the rams, the metrics heads, No, I don't,

950
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: I do not. I just I I don't see it

951
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: on a week two week basis, I don't see the

952
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: makings of a team that's going to go on a

953
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: Super Bowl run. I'd be I'd be really subcrision. I'd

954
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: be really surprised that they won the division. I I like,

955
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: maybe I and I get overconfident. I confidently feel like

956
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: Arizona is gonna win this division in terms in terms

957
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: of the division, right, I would decide, even with the

958
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: injury to Whitworth, which is a significant problem in terms

959
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: of their Super Bowl aspirations, I think the defense is

960
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: easily positioned as the best of the division, arguably one

961
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: of the best uh in the NFL, and they have

962
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: talent right at spots that nobody else has. Um Aaron

963
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: Donald is probably my perennial m VP pick as as

964
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: a literal uh as as a literal player that's valuable

965
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: uh in in a relative position to his peers. To

966
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: Greg's point, if it's all quarterbacks, if all quarterbacks are

967
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: at the top of your m v P list, then

968
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: what are you saying about their relative value with each other? Really?

969
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: Um So I would say, you know, call it the

970
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald Award, to give it to him every tier

971
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: because he's that much better than than and the other

972
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: players one Rams in the division maybe Seahawks uh. In

973
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: terms of threatening for the championship, the one huge edge

974
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: of the Seahawks have is schedule. Um, they have not

975
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: played the NFC East, whereas the Cardinals and and the

976
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: Rams beat up. So if if the Seahawks could somehow

977
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: win this game on Thursday, you get their little mini

978
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: by then you've got the Eagles, Giants, Jets, Washington before

979
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: you play the Rams and forty Niners at the end.

980
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: So if you compare the schedules, that's a it's a

981
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: pretty significant edge to the Seahawks if they can, if

982
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: they can pull this game out, especially they lose. They've

983
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: been swept by Arizona, So I mean that's but I mean,

984
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: but you know, you suddenly play Cupcake City and you

985
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: take care of business and you win for in row,

986
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: while the Rams and the Cardinals are dealing with each

987
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: other and dealing with tougher games. That's a problem. Right.

988
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: The path is wide open to eleven wins at least

989
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: if you can win on Thursday. But I gotta win

990
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: on Thursday, all right, Good stuff stuff, Patrick Laban, You've

991
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: done it again. You've said it all, and uh, you've

992
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: done it at the level of grace that very rarely

993
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: is seen on this show. I don't know, I don't

994
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: know about I mean you guys, you guys cracking out

995
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: every every single every single time you're at the plate,

996
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean to to mark plate appearances, and as far

997
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, you're on base every single time. So

998
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm glad to be not just in the stadium, uh,

999
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: in the general vicinity of this uh illustrious podcast. I

1000
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: think we've been We've been through a few batting slumps

1001
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: along the way, but I'm thank you for that. I'm

1002
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: piste off Angela. All right, we'll be back on Thursday.

1003
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: We got, of course, the recap of Thursday Night Football

1004
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: coming uh that's a mini episode, and then the full

1005
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: preview of everything to come in week eleven. Both those

1006
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: shows coming up uh this week. Uh. And also you

1007
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: u K listeners uh in Game Pass subscribers, keep your

1008
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: eyes peeled. That so all I can say, I don't

1009
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: even know if I can say that. I think it's

1010
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: Game Pass International too, so you know, you could be

1011
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: throughout Europe. You know, we know a lot of you

1012
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: are sheltering in place right now. I like the coordination

1013
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: going on here between the countries and so you've got

1014
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: more time at home. I think it's all the international game.

1015
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: Pas No, I see how the Irish listeners right now. Irishly,

1016
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: we're not the UK. We're separate and you are. Yeah,

1017
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: we can't even agree on numbers over here. So Australia, Germany,

1018
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: we got listening here in Africa. It's happening in Africa.

1019
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: We're very blessed all of you listeners across the world

1020
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: war so please continue to listen and watch and keep

1021
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: an eye out over on game Pass. This is Dan

1022
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: Hansons signing off for the graceful one. Patrick clay Band,

1023
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: Storm the Old Bows and Ricky Hollywood are Little TV

1024
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: Star until Thursday