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Speaker 2: But there's managerial openings. Are you are you on the list?

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Speaker 2: Are you are you doing some interviews? Are you flying

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Speaker 3: Joe, No, Aja, I have been home or traveling to

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Speaker 3: So I've been there or here. I have not done

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Speaker 3: any interviews. You know, there's also a lot of college

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Speaker 2: Let's do one of those together.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's let's you and I do what we could

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's amazing to me for the likely I

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Speaker 3: college football's got to figure that out and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: if you sign a five year deal here, you're here

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Speaker 3: But there are a lot of job openings. Aj I

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Speaker 2: No, got it. Okay, so you almost were me. What

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Speaker 2: have I done? No one, Joe. You know everyone hates me.

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Speaker 2: Nobody gonna call me and hire me. You no better, Joe.

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Speaker 4: Come on, we know how it goes.

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Speaker 2: You know how that goes, Joe. But here's my question.

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Speaker 2: You were close to being the UCF University of Central Florida.

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Speaker 2: You were all in the job right well now.

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Speaker 1: In San Francisco, Tony Vaytello is allegedly supposed to be

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can I think it'd be easier.

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Speaker 1: Maybe going from big leagues to the colleges, maybe it's

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Speaker 3: Well, the game is different in college than it is

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Speaker 3: don't really know how he ran his program at Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: but like I've seen in college, the number three hitters

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Speaker 3: believe AJ he'll have to make that adjustment. But again,

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Speaker 3: the game is the game, right, I mean, you still

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of things, and he's done a really

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Speaker 5: What's better winning a World Series as a manager as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, they're so there's both of them

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Speaker 3: I didn't think myself of ever getting you know, beyond

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Speaker 3: for everybody else. And that brings a lot of like

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Speaker 2: It should bring a lot of joy to your life.

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Speaker 1: But now let's let's go back to since you were twenty,

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Speaker 2: Seven, and then yeah, you're you know what, it's now

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Speaker 6: Really home runner bus. There's nothing else going on there.

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Speaker 6: So you know they've fallen short for whatever reason. You know,

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Speaker 3: It's a bad matchup and I think it's they're young

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Speaker 5: Do you feel like the comments by a Rod and

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Speaker 3: I've always felt eric, unless you're in the clubhouse, you

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Speaker 2: Makes sense? It makes sense, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Do you still eat like two eggs every Do you

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I just asked that because you're very steeped

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Speaker 3: And then I wonder, like, are they just trying to

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Speaker 2: That's over with.

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Speaker 5: It's totally over And I think MLB dropped the ball

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Speaker 2: You don't need to comment on that.

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Speaker 4: That was my comment.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you predict that about anybody. I mean,

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Speaker 3: far as being the MVP, cal Rowley has had one

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Speaker 8: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Oh hell hell, yes, Joe. Yes, he did say Judge

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Speaker 2: doing jobs on Yes Network?

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yes, he says thank you, because otherwise he's

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Speaker 2: Because Cal Rawly is the MVP. There's no other reason

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Speaker 1: Would say that. Thanks Al, We'll call player bye. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Yes Nework.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: So before we let you go, I want to know

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Speaker 1: when you go to Stillwater, do you get a discount

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Speaker 1: at Eskimo Joe's on the cups and the drinks there

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Speaker 1: when you go see your daughter to play basketball when

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Speaker 2: Since your name is Joe, do they give you a

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Speaker 3: Joe, no discounts. They don't need discounts. It's a it's

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Speaker 3: But obviously it's it's been a fun run for my daughter.

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Speaker 3: She's a freshman. We're excited with he's the starting officially

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Speaker 2: Good Luck.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're excited to watch Joe.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to tune into girls basketball.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna watch. Yeah, we will definitely check it out.

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Speaker 7: That's gonna be fun. Well, good luck. You're gonna be

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Speaker 7: at most games or as many as you can, right, Yes.

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Speaker 3: And you could tell with my height that the basketball

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Speaker 7: Athleticism though.

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Speaker 2: Cats are the best athletes, come on, brains all that.

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Speaker 5: No, she got her athleticism from her mother, because Joe,

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Speaker 2: And you were just constant video.

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Speaker 5: You're like, one more, one more. This is her crossing

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Really, she really loves the game and it's been

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Speaker 3: That's what we'd love also.

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Speaker 2: But also Chrotch.

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Speaker 1: You have to remember he started a school called Grandview Prep,

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Speaker 1: which I've never even heard of. I've lived in Florida

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Speaker 2: And they all wait on it. So she's out there

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Speaker 3: Were gonna Hey a J I do know that you

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Speaker 3: they beat Okay, so they played some really good competitions.

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Speaker 3: It's just when they got to their division, the competition

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. I'll give you credit for that one.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Alan Counckle says I too.

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Speaker 3: By the way, do counk I said, hello, I.

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Speaker 7: Will Joey got to jump. This was awesome though, thanks

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Speaker 7: Hope you enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Have a great night. Hein Snatcher's don't second guess the catcher.

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Speaker 8: City territory. I'm chandeler Rome, joined by Tyler Stafford and

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Speaker 8: the first major league free agent to sign this winter

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Speaker 8: Nate Pierson. Nate, you didn't waste any time here, man?

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Speaker 9: How are you?

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Speaker 8: And what was this kind of a weird free agency process,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I guess I didn't have to wait till the

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Speaker 4: Can't wait.

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Speaker 8: I mean, for those that don't know, Nate Pearson, you know,

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Speaker 8: much do you get involved in like teams that were

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Speaker 8: after you, teams that wanted you? Do you leave that

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, definitely.

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Speaker 10: My my agent definitely Spearheads and he kind of like

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Speaker 10: what made me choose Houston is there. You know, they're

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Speaker 10: giving me the opportunity to start again, and I thought

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Speaker 10: that was very interesting.

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Speaker 4: I've always wanted to get another opportunity because I.

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Speaker 10: Feel like with the Jays I kind of battled through

443
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Speaker 10: some injuries and it kind of just they went out

444
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Speaker 10: and signed guys and filled the rotation and it kind

445
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Speaker 10: of just you know, had to be in the bullpen.

446
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Speaker 10: So I was looking for that another opportunity to start,

447
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Speaker 10: and I think the Astros were going to be a

448
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Speaker 10: perfect fit.

449
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Speaker 9: So is that something that you put out there that like, hey,

450
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Speaker 9: I'm interested in starting. Did the Astros come to you

451
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Speaker 9: and and make that, uh an offer?

452
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Speaker 4: Or yeah? How does that work? Yeah?

453
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Speaker 10: So the Astros came to me and offered it, and

454
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Speaker 10: I had a couple of the offers, but they were

455
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Speaker 10: just relievers, and uh, just for relief and the ass

456
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Speaker 10: they offered first, and it was kind of just like,

457
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Speaker 10: they want to give you the opportunity to start, and

458
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Speaker 10: they still see me as a starter, and so I

459
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Speaker 10: kind of just ran with it, and I was like,

460
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Speaker 10: this is this is a team that that sees the

461
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Speaker 10: opportunity and the potential.

462
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Speaker 4: So kind of made it pretty easy.

463
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Speaker 8: You obviously, I mean, you get you get drafted out

464
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Speaker 8: of Juco, your first couple of years in the minor leagues,

465
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Speaker 8: you do function like a traditional starter. And then kind

466
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Speaker 8: of you mentioned there were some injuries, you dealt with

467
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Speaker 8: some injuries. The Blue Jays were obviously at a point

468
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Speaker 8: then where they were kind of in win now. They

469
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Speaker 8: had good teams, they were they were trying to win

470
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Speaker 8: in the present. Kind of what happened with going from

471
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Speaker 8: starting to relieving? Was it just the injuries? Was it

472
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Speaker 8: Toronto's plan? And kind of what do you relish the

473
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Speaker 8: most now about getting that chance to start again?

474
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Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I think it was just because I debuted

475
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Speaker 10: during COVID and it was like super weird, you know,

476
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Speaker 10: just not having any fans in the stadium and only

477
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Speaker 10: playing sixty games, and I made like I made like

478
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Speaker 10: five starts or yeah, four starts, and then had a

479
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Speaker 10: little bit of an elbow issue, had to miss like

480
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Speaker 10: a week and two weeks. But it was only six

481
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Speaker 10: game seasons, so I didn't have enough time to build

482
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Speaker 10: back up. And then so I just they just stuck

483
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Speaker 10: me in the pen. Towards the end of the year,

484
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Speaker 10: we ended up going to the wild Card. I pitched

485
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Speaker 10: out of the bullpen and threw really well, and I

486
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Speaker 10: think it kind of opened their eyes like, Okay, this

487
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Speaker 10: guy might just be a reliever. And then coming into

488
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Speaker 10: the next spring train, the plan was to be built

489
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Speaker 10: up as a starter, and I just started getting a

490
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Speaker 10: bunch of different random injuries and I kind of just

491
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Speaker 10: missed out on that development. And I kind of just

492
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Speaker 10: got to the point where they had to move on

493
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Speaker 10: and signed and Kevin Gosman, you say, Kakuci and all

494
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Speaker 10: those like big time guys, and he kind of just

495
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Speaker 10: kind of left me into the being out of the bullpen,

496
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Speaker 10: which you know, I still thankful for the opportunity and

497
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Speaker 10: still keep close tabs with those guys there that are

498
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Speaker 10: still there and being able to see what they're doing

499
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Speaker 10: this year is pretty amazing.

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Speaker 4: Definitely root for him.

501
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Speaker 8: Since you mentioned Kokuchi, I wonder how much of how

502
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Speaker 8: much do you or did you know about the Astros

503
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Speaker 8: kind of pitching infrastructure and the way they developed pitchers,

504
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Speaker 8: because Kokuchi is a very good example of a guy

505
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Speaker 8: that was struggling in Toronto, came over at the deadline

506
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Speaker 8: a couple of years ago, and they turned him into

507
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Speaker 8: a very one of the best starters in baseball down

508
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Speaker 8: the stretch. They've done that with a lot of different pitchers.

509
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Speaker 8: How much were you aware of that and how much

510
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Speaker 8: of that maybe impact you, know, you choosing to come

511
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Speaker 8: to Houston.

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Speaker 10: I definitely remember like when he when he got traded,

513
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Speaker 10: because I got traded around the same time, and I

514
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Speaker 10: remember watching his whole year that year and then him

515
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Speaker 10: going to the Astros and then kind of just turning

516
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Speaker 10: it around and then, you know, put himself in a

517
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 10: grape position be a free agent, sign a nice deal.

518
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Speaker 10: But that was like one of the things I talked

519
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Speaker 10: about with Dane Brown, just like how they were able

520
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Speaker 10: to what they're able to do with Kakuchi, and like

521
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Speaker 10: how they they believe that they have some ideas for

522
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Speaker 10: me coming into the year that could help me out

523
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Speaker 10: and help me smooth that transition back to starting.

524
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Speaker 4: And so I thought it was very interesting.

525
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Speaker 9: So how soon did they say, hey, here's how to

526
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Speaker 9: throw a sinker, because I feel like that's that's the

527
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Speaker 9: trick for everyone. How soon does that happen?

528
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Speaker 10: I mean I already started throwing a sinker. I started

529
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Speaker 10: learning a little bit, not this last season of the

530
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Speaker 10: season before and when I got traded over the Cubs

531
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Speaker 10: and I started throwing it. Mainly did rities just to

532
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Speaker 10: get it inside open up the slider away because that

533
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Speaker 10: was my main two pitches, you know, fastball and slider,

534
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Speaker 10: and so I think it just helped the slider play up.

535
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Speaker 10: I get definitely to righties. So I've already I've already

536
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Speaker 10: kind of have that in the arsenal. Whether we lean

537
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Speaker 10: on a little bit more, I'm waiting to, you know,

538
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 10: dive in with the pitching guys here in Houston and

539
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 10: see what they what they think, and see what their

540
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Speaker 10: ideas are.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know how much of this makes it

542
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Speaker 9: out of you know, the the bubble of the Astros.

543
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Speaker 9: Like obviously Hunter Brown has become one of the best

544
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Speaker 9: starters in baseball? Is it common knowledge outside of like

545
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Speaker 9: Astros fans and and here kind of what kickstarted that?

546
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Speaker 9: Because you know, at the beginning of last year, he

547
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Speaker 9: you know, was almost a you know, minor league candidate.

548
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Speaker 9: He really wasn't doing anything. And then introduce that sinker.

549
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Speaker 9: And then literally since throwing that sinker has been you know,

550
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Speaker 9: one of the best pitchers in baseball. Is that a

551
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Speaker 9: thing that other people are aware of?

552
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I think it's just like for guys

553
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 10: that have a good four scene, I think it just

554
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Speaker 10: it just changes the game a little bit when you're

555
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Speaker 10: able to have two fastballs that are just one even

556
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Speaker 10: if even if it's not like an elite sinker, it

557
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 10: doesn't even have to be that. It just has to

558
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 10: be something that's different than your four seam, and all

559
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 10: of a sudden, it just opens up.

560
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Speaker 4: Different areas for hitters to adapt to.

561
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Speaker 10: You know, they can't just like, all right, look at

562
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Speaker 10: the force seam at the top of the zone and

563
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 10: then anything down is going to be off speed, whether

564
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Speaker 10: like now you're throwing a sinker, you throw that down

565
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Speaker 10: and in, or you can even throw it up and in.

566
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Speaker 10: You know, I think it just opens up the arsenal

567
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Speaker 10: a little bit more and everything. I think everything just

568
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Speaker 10: plays up. And you saw it with Hunter Brown. I

569
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Speaker 10: remember watching one of the starts I was in Toronto

570
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Speaker 10: and they came into town, and I watched one of

571
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Speaker 10: the starts and it was just like we heard the

572
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Speaker 10: story about him introducing the sinker and how it's kind

573
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Speaker 10: of like taking off. He threw pretty well against us,

574
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Speaker 10: and I was watching just about every pitch that outing

575
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Speaker 10: of his because his stuff's electric, and I was able

576
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Speaker 10: to see how everything just kind of just played up

577
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Speaker 10: a little bit more, even when he was able to

578
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Speaker 10: run that in against rieties and even you know, front door.

579
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Speaker 4: To to lefties. So I thought it was pretty impressive.

580
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Speaker 8: Yeah, you hit on something there that I don't think

581
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Speaker 8: a lot of people, a lot of maybe outside fans appreciate.

582
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Speaker 8: Like you said, something like the sinker doesn't even have

583
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Speaker 8: to be like a metrically like well performing pitch like

584
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Speaker 8: last year and twenty twenty four for Hunter, Like if

585
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Speaker 8: you look at all the publicly available metrics like run value,

586
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 8: things like that, Like the sinker wasn't great, it wasn't

587
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 8: a good but what it did was it stopped hitters

588
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 8: from leaning out over the plate. It stopped you know,

589
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 8: tendencies of just hunting everything away, everything away, like it

590
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 8: gave him a presence on the other half of the

591
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 8: plate and just doing that, just having that mere presence

592
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 8: changes entirely kind of how hitters approach you. You mentioned Nate,

593
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 8: you mentioned your your arsenal. Obviously you've been predominantly fastball, slider,

594
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 8: forcing slider, that is, you know, forcing you can get

595
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 8: it up to one hundred ninety seven ninety eight. Where

596
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 8: do you think and to be a starter, and if

597
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Speaker 8: you want to stick in a rotation, obviously you're going

598
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 8: to need maybe a couple more pitches. Kind Of where

599
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Speaker 8: do you think maybe your other pitches are and what

600
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Speaker 8: are you looking forward most to maybe refining in your

601
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Speaker 8: arsenal as you transition back to being a starter.

602
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: I mean I still throw a curveball.

603
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 10: It's kind of like a knuckle curve, and then I

604
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 10: have a change up as well. You know, over the

605
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 10: years it's been mainly I've been leaning on the fastball,

606
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 10: slider and curveball occasionally kind of just haven't thrown a

607
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 10: change up in a couple of years, but I do

608
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 10: throw it in catch play. Just still working on it.

609
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 10: Just coming out of the pen when you're trying to

610
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 10: just get three quick outs and leverage, you know, you're

611
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 10: not really looking to set guys up for the you know,

612
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 10: the turnaround of the lineup. You know, you're just trying

613
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 10: to go at these guys with your best stuff, and

614
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 10: so I kind of just fit into that mold. But

615
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 10: now that I'm going back to starting, I was still

616
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 10: able to work on my pitches and when warm ups

617
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 10: and stuff, so just be able to knock off the

618
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 10: rest of those in spring training and hopefully get a

619
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 10: good mix going.

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Speaker 9: What does the off season look like for you? Like,

621
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Speaker 9: how is it different knowing that you're coming into spring

622
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 9: training as a starter. What like you know, you always

623
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 9: hear like, oh you got to stretch out, you know,

624
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 9: these types of things. What is the difference between an

625
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 9: off season going in as a reliever versus as a starter.

626
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Speaker 10: I think it's just volume, Like when you're when you're

627
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 10: when you're a reliever, of the off season is a

628
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 10: little bit different. Just the volumes of throws you know

629
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Speaker 10: you got to get when you're building up. I feel

630
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 10: like as a reliever, you're not throwing as many just

631
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 10: make it as many throws and just like catch player

632
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 10: or long toss or whatever. But now that the focus

633
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 10: is being prepared to start, I think those throwing sessions

634
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 10: get up a little bit longer, not like throwing harder longer,

635
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 10: just more just more throws, more movements, just conditioning that

636
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 10: body to take on more pitches, just just to be

637
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 10: able to prepare for a higher pitch.

638
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: Count in games.

639
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Speaker 8: How would you describe your force eamer like, does it

640
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 8: have kind of some natural hop? Does it have some run?

641
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 8: Do you do you do you like to play with

642
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 8: it at the top of the zone, leave it top

643
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 8: rail or do you maybe need to work on maybe

644
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 8: the movement getting a little more movement on the four seamer?

645
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I have I have good ride on my

646
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: four team.

647
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Speaker 10: Sometimes it'll it'll kind of run on me a little bit, uh,

648
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 10: But I try to keep it at the top of

649
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 10: the zone and just let it ride and occasionally just

650
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 10: let it sometimes it will cut. And so I really

651
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 10: like the the cut ride aspect is very popular nowadays

652
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 10: in today's game. But yeah, I kind of just let

653
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 10: that eat at the top of the zone and then

654
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 10: if I if I need to go down and freeze

655
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 10: a guy, I do think it down and away a

656
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 10: well located down and away heater is you know, very

657
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Speaker 10: hard to hit, and so I think it still is

658
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Speaker 10: and so obviously keep that keep that in mind as well.

659
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Speaker 8: Everything's hard to hit from my advantage. But it doesn't

660
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 8: matter where you located. This may be this may I'm

661
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Speaker 8: sure you've gotten some version of this question before. But

662
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Speaker 8: for those that don't know, as we're talking to you,

663
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 8: when you were drafted, obviously first round draft pick with

664
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Speaker 8: the J's really rocketed up. Prospect rankings played in the

665
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 8: Futures Game in twenty nineteen was up, you know, in

666
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 8: the top ten of not only just pitcher prospects in baseball,

667
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 8: but in the top ten prospects in baseball by a

668
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 8: lot of outside publications. You know, in Houston, you know,

669
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 8: they've had a bunch of guys that have had similar

670
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 8: pedigrees that have come up to the clubhouse that I mean,

671
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 8: you know, one of them, and Kyle Tucker obviously, guys

672
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 8: that are very heralded, guys that get a lot of

673
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 8: praise put on them, you know, before they get there,

674
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 8: and that can sometimes be difficult to manage guys manage

675
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 8: those expectations very differently. How has that been for you?

676
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 8: How was that to have all those expectations on you

677
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 8: kind of before you even got to pro ball? And

678
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 8: is it something now. I want to be careful how

679
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 8: I phrased this, like coming to Houston, coming to maybe

680
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 8: a different place and a fresh start. Is that refreshing

681
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 8: in any way?

682
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, No, it definitely is, because I mean looking back

683
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 10: at my my time with Toronto, like coming up, I

684
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 10: was like, before I even debut, I was like, he's

685
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 10: the ace, you know, all this stuff. I'm just like, dude,

686
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 10: I just want to pitch, man, I don't want to

687
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 10: you know, all the the pressure is good and all,

688
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 10: you know, but I thought it was a little excessive there.

689
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 4: You know. I was twenty two at the time.

690
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 10: You know, It's just it was it could be overbearing

691
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 10: if you aren't able to take a step back and

692
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 10: sit down and be like, all right, why am I here?

693
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 10: Why why do I want to be in the big leagues?

694
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 10: Like why did I have this dream? And it all

695
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 10: comes down and just t ball or back backyard playing

696
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 10: catch with your dad and everything, and so it's easy

697
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 10: to get carried away with all the hype and everything,

698
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 10: but you really just kind of got to lean on

699
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 10: your your uh, your family, and you know, keep you

700
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 10: humble and focus on what needs to happen into the

701
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 10: day to day not like looking three years from now

702
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 10: and all this stuff looking too far in the future.

703
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 10: So stuff is definitely refreshing to be with a new organ,

704
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 10: get back to the have an opportunity to start again,

705
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 10: just get back to that routine and everything.

706
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 8: But yeah, he mentioned that you've talked to Dana Dana

707
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 8: Brown or the Astros GM Coincidentally, he was working for

708
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 8: the Blue Jays when they drafted you in twenty seventeen.

709
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 8: Any what was kind of his message to you. Dana

710
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 8: is a pretty optimistic, pretty positive person that likes to

711
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 8: pump a lot of people up. I guess what was

712
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 8: what was his message to you? And would you take

713
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 8: away from that conversation you had with him?

714
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 10: No, he was just he was just really excited that

715
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 10: we were able to get this done early in the

716
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 10: offseason so he can stay connected through throughout the whole

717
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 10: offseason and be prepared and be able to hit the

718
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 10: ground running when I come into camp.

719
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Speaker 4: But yeah, he was.

720
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Speaker 10: He was just very uh open and explaining like how

721
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Speaker 10: they're able to like turn pictures into uh reaching their potential.

722
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 4: You know. He said he has a.

723
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Speaker 10: Good eye for identifying starters and he listed a couple

724
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 10: of guys like Blanco, how he was a reliever and

725
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 10: there they he thought that they he could start, and

726
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 10: so they they switched him over into a different role.

727
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 4: And I actually remember his no hitter. It was again

728
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 4: the Jays. I was there.

729
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 10: I was there watching it early in the season in

730
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 10: uh in twenty four, and it was it was pretty

731
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 10: crazy to see. So I was thinking about that as

732
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 10: he was explaining it, and I was like, yeah, they

733
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 10: seems like they got something figured out. And you know,

734
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 10: whether he's the main guy in charge with that or what.

735
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 10: But I mean, I think it starts from the top

736
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 10: and goes all the way down when it comes to

737
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 10: development like that.

738
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Speaker 4: So I was just very encouraging.

739
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 8: Before we get you out of here, you have mentioned

740
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 8: the Jay's a couple of times. Obviously, they have won

741
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 8: the American League pennant. They're gonna play the Dodgers in

742
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 8: the World Series. I'd imagine that you grew close to

743
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 8: to Vlad and Bow and maybe even George over there.

744
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 8: What's what was it like for you are watching the

745
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 8: Alcs and watching them go through the playoffs, and how

746
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 8: do you think this World Series is gonna go? Knowing, uh,

747
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 8: knowing the guys in that clubhouse, knowing kind of what

748
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 8: they're made of. How do you think they're equipped to

749
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 8: go against the Dodgers.

750
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think they're They got to goodest chances anyone,

751
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 10: you know, to take down the Dodgers. What's crazy to

752
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 10: me is like I look look at their roster, at

753
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 10: the position players, and it's not like a crazy drastic

754
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 10: change from the team I knew and we last year

755
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 10: we sold it the deadline. I was one of the

756
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 10: guys traded and traded probably like what nine guys or

757
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 10: something like it was.

758
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: It was insane.

759
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 10: And to see the turnaround how drastic it is while

760
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 10: they know. I know they got some new coaches, they

761
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 10: got like a new hitting coach and all that stuff,

762
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 10: but I don't know, I feel like they just like

763
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 10: flipped the switch, and those guys everyone's just raking, even

764
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 10: like one through nine, everyone's getting clutch knocks and uh

765
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 10: like Nathan Lucas, uh seeing him, I was up and

766
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 10: down with him, riding the option train with him and

767
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 10: just seeing how how how he's doing. Ardy Clement played

768
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 10: with him in Triple A two. Just seeing all those

769
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 10: guys come in to form, and obviously Vlattie, I think

770
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 10: just getting Lattie into the postseason and letting him do

771
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 10: his thing was like the biggest thing, you know, when

772
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 10: I was there, we never made it past the wild card,

773
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 10: and so it's hard to hard to put, you know,

774
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 10: really good effort into three games, and two of them

775
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 10: we went to and out. So it's you know, just

776
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 10: getting Blatty into the platform for him to shine. And

777
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 10: then George is going back to vintage you know, Houston,

778
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 10: George Springer with the with the Homers. You know, I

779
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 10: remember watching in twenty seventeen him doing all that stuff.

780
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 10: It was it's just it's just cool to watch and

781
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 10: really rooin for those guys. Hope they can take down

782
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 10: the Dodgers.

783
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: You said it.

784
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 8: They have as good a shot as anyone, and it'll

785
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 8: be fascinating to watch play out one more before we

786
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 8: get you added to no Astros fans are going to

787
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 8: want to hear about this. You and Kyle Tucker are

788
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 8: pretty close from the I don't know if the same

789
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 8: area in Florida, but from around kind of the same place.

790
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 8: I know you guys have trained together in some off seasons.

791
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 8: The public probably doesn't get to see, you know, the

792
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 8: real Kyle Tucker. He keeps himself pretty reserved, doesn't say much.

793
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 8: Is probably the most nonchalance superstar I've been. I've really

794
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 8: ever been around. What's he like off the field, what's

795
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 8: he like to train with, and what was he like

796
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 8: to maybe come up with in the off seasons? Being

797
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 8: someone that you trained with and and became friends with

798
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 8: it and someone that has you've kind of grown up

799
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 8: in pro ball with.

800
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 10: No I mean, he's what you see on TV is

801
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 10: kind of exactly what you get, and he doesn't change.

802
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 10: He's very quiet, reserved, goes about his business. We trained

803
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 10: together in the off season. Uh, he always starts a

804
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 10: little bit later, which is pretty impressive. Like I don't

805
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 10: know how he just strolls in, you know, mid November

806
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 10: and December. I don't think he picks up a bat

807
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 10: till like January, but he just just rakes. He just

808
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 10: picks it up and just like riding a bike. Just

809
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 10: being able to watch him comeing to, you know, be

810
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 10: a massive superstar. It was just pretty amazing because I

811
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 10: remember we were working out when we're both in them

812
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 10: and the miners coming up, and it's just it's awesome

813
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 10: to see all the work he's put in and him

814
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 10: just take off and get a World Series under his belt,

815
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 10: and it's it's pretty cool.

816
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 9: Was he was he digging in the dirt on the

817
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 9: backfields too before?

818
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? I remember, I remember facing him.

819
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 10: We were like young in like high school and stuff

820
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 10: because we're both around the Tampa area. And he just

821
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 10: never wore batting gloves and where it's like, that's kind

822
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 10: of crazy, and then he still kind of did it.

823
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: I mean he switches on and off.

824
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 10: I think he uses them a little bit more now,

825
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 10: but he just never used batting gloves and that was

826
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 10: just like the same, just vintage Kyle Tucker.

827
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty cool.

828
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 8: Well, you know why he has to, you know why

829
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 8: he wears them all the time now? Right, it's because

830
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 8: of the pitch clock. He didn't have he didn't have

831
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 8: enough time. He didn't have enough time to do his

832
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 8: dig in the h all that he was he was

833
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 8: never getting in the box by eight seconds. So like

834
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 8: he switched over the first year of the pitch clock.

835
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 8: I think he did the first month without batting gloves

836
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 8: and he realized how rushed he was getting, so that

837
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 8: the only reason he's wearing batting gloves is because of

838
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 8: the pitch clock. So yeah, who knows where he'll end

839
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 8: up this all. Have you teased him yet that you

840
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 8: signed before him?

841
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: No, I haven't.

842
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 10: Uh No, I haven't talked to him yet, but uh,

843
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 10: I'm sure I'll Okay, I'll talk to him. You know,

844
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 10: he's such a high profile, like uh free agent.

845
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 7: You know.

846
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 10: I feel like those guys take a little bit to

847
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 10: to sign and probably after the winter meetings, you know,

848
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 10: til they get the right fit. But it's definitely gonna

849
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 10: be exciting to see where he goes. I know he's

850
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 10: gonna have a bunch of bunch of teams wanting them,

851
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 10: so it's gonna be fun for him.

852
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 8: So he definitely will and maybe maybe there's a reality

853
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 8: where you'll, uh you'll face him in the big leagues

854
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 8: as a as a starter in the Astros rotation. Nate

855
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 8: told you we wouldn't keep you very long. This was great.

856
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 8: I really appreciate you taking some time to join us

857
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 8: and introduce yourself to your new team and your new

858
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 8: fan base, and we appreciate it, and we will see

859
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 8: you in West Palm Beach in February until.

860
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: The sounds good. Thank you guys, thanks for having me

861
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Speaker 4: on