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Speaker 1: Eric Ellen in the studio, joined by a familiar face
Speaker 1: that is Legit Douzable my partner and crying throughout the
Speaker 1: regular season. It's been too long? How are you deuced?
Speaker 1: It's been forever. I thought you forgot about me, man
Speaker 1: and heard from me. You know what I'm saying that
Speaker 1: all seasons here you don't know me anymore. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: all love, dudes, I know what. I'm just messing with you. Man.
Speaker 1: It's good. It's good to see you again. Man, it's
Speaker 1: been it's been a while. What combine was the last
Speaker 1: time we saw you, I believe? Yeah, like two ships
Speaker 1: passing in a night. Uh, speaking of the Combine, Man,
Speaker 1: you work as hard as anybody in terms of your analysis.
Speaker 1: Some former players just rely on their past experiences, but
Speaker 1: you're always in the film room. What's it been like
Speaker 1: for you professionally as far as getting ready for this draft?
Speaker 1: I was just talking about this to somebody the other
Speaker 1: day and I just don't remember the draft taking this long? Now?
Speaker 1: Is it because I've been more invested in it this year? Right?
Speaker 1: Because I was at the Singer Bowl, I was at
Speaker 1: the Combine, and this is the first time in my career.
Speaker 1: Why I went to both of those events, right, So
Speaker 1: it seems like it's it's just been ages since the Combine.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's been ages since the Singer Bowl,
Speaker 1: And I think that is kind of I want to
Speaker 1: say it's it's worn on me, but it's just like
Speaker 1: I can't remember even when I was playing at the
Speaker 1: drop off from like the Combine to Draft day was
Speaker 1: this long. So it's just it's been a long process.
Speaker 1: But we're here. He I can't complaining. We are finally here. Um,
Speaker 1: the Jets to pivotal picks and top ten and four
Speaker 1: in the top forty. So um, it's a good day
Speaker 1: to be a Jet man. O. Hey, no doubt about
Speaker 1: a great transition man, A prose prol what's the best
Speaker 1: case scenario for the Jets at the top of the
Speaker 1: draft the way you're viewing it right now, because I
Speaker 1: don't remember a top three with as much uncertainty as
Speaker 1: we're facing now in recent time. Yeah, and you said
Speaker 1: it perfectly right there, e A. I think the Jets
Speaker 1: are in the tricky spot because if you're a top
Speaker 1: two team picking, you kind of get what you want,
Speaker 1: kind of get what you had your eyes at out on.
Speaker 1: If you're picking seven through ten, the board has been laid,
Speaker 1: the foundation has been laid for you, so you know
Speaker 1: where you're going from there. But when you're picking that
Speaker 1: four to six range, it's a if he placed to
Speaker 1: be and am not even gonna lie because the draft board,
Speaker 1: as you said, right, this is the first time in
Speaker 1: recent years that the draft board we don't know how
Speaker 1: it's gonna fall at one, two or three. I think
Speaker 1: a month or two ago everybody was certain that Aidan
Speaker 1: Hudgerson would be the number one overall pick. But it
Speaker 1: seems like Trayvon Walker has picked up some steam. And
Speaker 1: so I mean, even though in the combine people assume
Speaker 1: that I Ki was going to be the number one pick,
Speaker 1: and then there was Evan Neil was gonna be the
Speaker 1: number one pick. So I can't remember a draft to
Speaker 1: your point where there was this much uncertainty. So if
Speaker 1: you're the Jets, like you know, you're sitting back and
Speaker 1: waiting like, well, we have our draft board, right, and
Speaker 1: every team as a draft board. If Vicky Kana, you're
Speaker 1: Number one guy, and maybe it's followed by Aiden Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's came on timbodoreor Jermaine Johnson or Sauce Conner.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a weird spot to be in
Speaker 1: because I would just break it down like this, this
Speaker 1: draft has no sure fire superstars, but there's really good
Speaker 1: quality depth. There's gonna be some real good quality starters
Speaker 1: in this draft. But the only thing is, when you're
Speaker 1: picking in the top five, you you want game changers, right,
Speaker 1: you want guys that are, you know, foundational pieces that
Speaker 1: you can build around. And this draft just doesn't have that.
Speaker 1: So if you're the Jets and you're sitting at the
Speaker 1: draft board in the top four, it just depends on
Speaker 1: how the first three picks fall. And that's why I
Speaker 1: say it's a really tricky spot to be in. But
Speaker 1: if you're Joe d how are you hoping that board falls?
Speaker 1: Getting back to the best case scenario, because imagine Walker
Speaker 1: and Hutchinson before, it seems likely that they will be
Speaker 1: two of the top three picks, but we don't know
Speaker 1: at this point of course, what are you hoping for?
Speaker 1: If you're Joe d Well, honestly, you're open at Aidan
Speaker 1: Hutchinson falls the because you can take him in the
Speaker 1: r V. He's the most pro ready defensive end in
Speaker 1: this draft, and I think Jermaine Johnson is right behind him,
Speaker 1: and I think Jermaine has a little bit higher upside
Speaker 1: because he just learned how to pass us this last
Speaker 1: year with Aidan Hutcherson is kind of like a finished product,
Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get. He's gonna come in
Speaker 1: probably be an eight to ten SAC guy, and people
Speaker 1: kind of snub their nose at that. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of players in the NFL constantly
Speaker 1: doing that. You're in the year out and I believe
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson will do that. But I mean the chances
Speaker 1: of him falling before are I would say, literally slim
Speaker 1: to none. Right, Okay, right Johnson, Right, you You've got
Speaker 1: very vocal about that. Yeah. So, I mean, and it
Speaker 1: seems like he's picking up steam now, which is crazy. Right.
Speaker 1: I've been talking about this guy since before the Singer Bowl,
Speaker 1: and you know, during the Singing Bowl I said he
Speaker 1: wouldn't get out of the pick twenty, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think he'd make it the twenty. Now I don't know
Speaker 1: if he makes it to pick ten. Honestly, um, just
Speaker 1: because he's aced every part of the draft process, you know,
Speaker 1: just from transferring. I mean just his background story, right,
Speaker 1: and you talk about the adversity he's went through, going
Speaker 1: to junior college, then going to Georgia, then playing at
Speaker 1: Georgia where we saw that how deep the Georgia defense was.
Speaker 1: He decided to bet on himself, leave go to a
Speaker 1: team for one year in Florida State, and all he
Speaker 1: did was become the a SEC defensive player of the
Speaker 1: year in that time, right, And people are saying, well,
Speaker 1: he didn't do this at Georgia. Well, if you look
Speaker 1: at all the players at Georgia and the defensive alignment
Speaker 1: more specifically, they all didn't have guddy numbers because they
Speaker 1: rotate so often. Because that defense and more specifically that
Speaker 1: defensive line is so deep that guys usually only stay
Speaker 1: on the field for four to five play. So I
Speaker 1: think Jemaine Johnson showed that he could leave a team
Speaker 1: where he was playing about thirty percent of the snaps,
Speaker 1: go to another team and uptick to sixty plus percent
Speaker 1: of the snaps. So now you're not you're not worried
Speaker 1: about durability, and you see the effort that he plays
Speaker 1: with efforts never gonna be an issue with this guy. Again,
Speaker 1: he's just coming into his own as a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: Put on a pass rush display at the Singer Bowl.
Speaker 1: I think he just fits the mantra of all gastel brakes.
Speaker 1: I think it's a guy that Joe d and you know,
Speaker 1: Robert Solo really would like to have. But I think
Speaker 1: they would like to have him more at ten than
Speaker 1: at four. I just don't think he lasts till pick
Speaker 1: number ten. Yeah, and that's what you're talking about with
Speaker 1: that tricky situation. Now. I wanted to ask you the
Speaker 1: way you view it though, if you stay it for
Speaker 1: is it offensive linement or edge rusher? Because I wanted
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on Sauce Gardner, who most people
Speaker 1: have a top their cornerback boards. Uh Stingley is a
Speaker 1: very good player. He's just been a little bit banged
Speaker 1: up and we'll have to see what happens. A lot
Speaker 1: of people think that that that that that guy could
Speaker 1: be a star though. You know, but with that being said,
Speaker 1: do you see it as old a lineman or edge
Speaker 1: at four? Yeah? So I'll break it down like this
Speaker 1: and then going into your dB conversation, you could reteam
Speaker 1: me up and we'll talk about that. UM. To me,
Speaker 1: I think it with Joe d and just knowing how
Speaker 1: he's he's wired and how he's done past draft, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be best player available now if Ikey Kandu is there,
Speaker 1: I think Jody doesn't care what everybody's saying in that
Speaker 1: world room, He's gonna turn that card in for Ikey
Speaker 1: Kuanu because if he has him as his number one
Speaker 1: overall player. UM. Granted, you know there's uncertainty, what what
Speaker 1: what would happen technically with George fan or McKay Beckton.
Speaker 1: George Fannons going into the last year off his deal,
Speaker 1: McKay Beckton has had the injuries. UM. I just think
Speaker 1: it's hard pressed for a GM to give up on
Speaker 1: his number one pick from two years ago, a top
Speaker 1: ten pick at that UM. But if I Quanner is
Speaker 1: there and the way that Joe Deeve preaches always building
Speaker 1: in the trenches right especially offensive line, the defensive line,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about getting great value. If if he's your
Speaker 1: number one over our player, you get him at four,
Speaker 1: that's admits value and you just have to figure out
Speaker 1: what to do with your offensive line later. Right, you
Speaker 1: have a trade ship now and either McKay Beckton or
Speaker 1: George Fann going into their last year. There's the deal.
Speaker 1: Because I Kandu. If you take him at the number
Speaker 1: four spot, he's gonna start from day one, and more
Speaker 1: specifically probably at right tackle. Um. He's a guy that
Speaker 1: can play right guard, left guard, right tackle, left tackle,
Speaker 1: played all of it at NC State. So I think
Speaker 1: if he's there that they're gonna run, run to the
Speaker 1: podium and take him. The only time they wouldn't run
Speaker 1: to the podium is if Aidan Hudgerson was able to
Speaker 1: fall to four. And I just don't foresee that happening.
Speaker 1: And so there's the dudes. Lean here a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes into the podcast, ikey a Kwanu out of NC State.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be something? Now if you go quanto at
Speaker 1: four and well, let's retreat a little bit and talk
Speaker 1: about the cornerback Sauce Gardner nine career interceptions, never gave
Speaker 1: up a touchdown during college. He plays with spice on
Speaker 1: the outside, he can win on third down. Was playing
Speaker 1: man press coverage. We mentioned stingtly before banged up at Alice.
Speaker 1: You after a productive, ultra productive freshman year where you
Speaker 1: could have predicted that this guy was gonna be a
Speaker 1: first round pick a couple of games into his college. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, Sauce Gardener, while you like
Speaker 1: him as a player, four might be too high for you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think any corner or safety or any secondary. Remember,
Speaker 1: I just don't see the Jets, just knowing the brash
Speaker 1: No One coach slo and his philosophy on defense, I
Speaker 1: don't foresee them taking the corner in the top ten
Speaker 1: or in the first round, honestly, period. If you just
Speaker 1: look at the history of this defense, going back to
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley, going back to coach Quinn, you know when
Speaker 1: he left and went to Atlanta, they don't take corners
Speaker 1: specifically high in this draft. If you look at it
Speaker 1: um in San Francisco when Robert Salo was there, they
Speaker 1: were able to get a guy like Richard Servant towards
Speaker 1: the back end of his career, right, they were able
Speaker 1: to fill take a filler on a guy like Jason Barette.
Speaker 1: They got Kawan Williams, who was an undrafted free agent,
Speaker 1: but They got him from the Browns right, Emanuel Moseley,
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent. That's how they He just built this team.
Speaker 1: It's always been built from the front back right, because
Speaker 1: this defense is predicated off the defensive line creating having
Speaker 1: So even though Sauce Garner I love him, he's a
Speaker 1: great prospect, right, you talked to about all the attributes. Right,
Speaker 1: hasn't given up a touchdown in his college career. A
Speaker 1: guy who likes to be on the island and man press.
Speaker 1: So I think he's better suited to go to the
Speaker 1: Giants Acrosstown team to a Wink Martindale scheme where he's
Speaker 1: gonna blitz and keep his corners on the island. We're
Speaker 1: in this defense. On first and second down, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be a little bit more zone happy, right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: be more cover three, Cover two. Then on third down
Speaker 1: we're gonna blitz and go man. So that's where he
Speaker 1: would flourish. I think Stingley would actually be a better
Speaker 1: fit because he's shown better in zone coverages as far
Speaker 1: as his an aptitude and as far as knowing what
Speaker 1: you know receiving receiving routes are coming, which uh combination
Speaker 1: routes are coming and knowing how to attack certain zone coverages,
Speaker 1: and he's he's probably a better guy as far as
Speaker 1: taking the ball when it's in the air, especially going
Speaker 1: up and getting it at a high point. The thing
Speaker 1: about him is, like you talked about right e, he
Speaker 1: hasn't been healthy. We haven't seen a healthy Derek Stingley
Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen, and at times he looks uninterested on film.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's because he's so talented and
Speaker 1: doesn't take his best at times to you know, lock
Speaker 1: people up. But there's certain scouts and talented valuays that
Speaker 1: said that he doesn't have alpha mentality, and most top
Speaker 1: corners have that alpha mentality. But if you get that
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Derek Stingley, you get the best dB in
Speaker 1: the draft, not just the best corner, the best dB
Speaker 1: in the draft. But that's a big gift because we
Speaker 1: haven't seen that guy since twenty nineteen. Not going back
Speaker 1: and watching this film from where he missed about three
Speaker 1: games and then some of them uhe where he missed
Speaker 1: the last nine with the Liz Frank injury. It wasn't
Speaker 1: as bad as I originally thought it was, right, but
Speaker 1: it just wasn't as dominant as we saw in the
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. He's got a great feel for the game,
Speaker 1: natural instincts. You know, some people would say is Stingley's
Speaker 1: boomer bus, Like this guy could be a multi time
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl player and All Pro player and you know,
Speaker 1: or you might be getting guys a little bit banged
Speaker 1: up here early in his career. And we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: All right, So at ten, give me like three players.
Speaker 1: If the Jets stay there, you have your eyes on,
Speaker 1: well one Jermaine Johnson, who we talked about earlier. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the brass is praying, like on their knees,
Speaker 1: praying that he falls at ten. I just don't foresee
Speaker 1: it happening. But you know, this is the one draft
Speaker 1: where there's so much uncertainty. We really truly don't know
Speaker 1: how the top three are gonna pan out. It could
Speaker 1: go edge top three. Then what do you do. Do
Speaker 1: you not take Jermaine at four or do you try
Speaker 1: to still wait to get him at tend because if there,
Speaker 1: if it goes edge edge edge, I can tell you
Speaker 1: for a certainty he's most likely not getting to pick ten.
Speaker 1: Right and then even George carl Office or somebody might
Speaker 1: actually come in top ten behind him. Also because you
Speaker 1: look at Seattle in Atlanta, they're looking for edge rush
Speaker 1: as well too, and maybe even the Giants. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna take Sauce Conner with their second pick, but
Speaker 1: I would say he's he's a player. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson if he was happened to slip to you know,
Speaker 1: number ten. Spout another guy, Jamie Jamison Williams to me
Speaker 1: was my number one receiver in this class before the injury.
Speaker 1: He was the only receiver I felt comfortable taking in
Speaker 1: the top ten before the injury. Now I don't have
Speaker 1: any receipre as a top ten pick. But if you
Speaker 1: know the medicals come back, the Jets staff, the medical
Speaker 1: staff feels comfortable enough or they see that, you know
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna recover a c l s aren't
Speaker 1: what they used to be. A e A guys are
Speaker 1: coming back quicker from those. If they feel comfortable enough
Speaker 1: where this guys may be ready to go in October,
Speaker 1: then I think he adds an element to this team
Speaker 1: that they need on offense. If you look at what
Speaker 1: the Dests trying to do in the all season and
Speaker 1: trading for Tyreek Hill. Jamison Williams is in that same bill, right.
Speaker 1: He puts the fear of God and men at the
Speaker 1: safety position, right, and that helps with the run game
Speaker 1: because you have to keep the safeties back, so now
Speaker 1: you have a lighter box and anybody that knows this
Speaker 1: Michael for offense, he truly wants to run the football
Speaker 1: and then set everything up off of that. So it's
Speaker 1: gonna help you with the run game. But it's also
Speaker 1: gonna help you with Zach Wilson in that big arm
Speaker 1: being able to take those shots down the field, and
Speaker 1: that's gonna open the game up underneath for Elijah Moore,
Speaker 1: for Corey Davis, for the two tight ends Tyler Conklin
Speaker 1: and c j Usama. So I think Jamison Williams would
Speaker 1: be a really nice piece for the Jets. And then
Speaker 1: the last person I would say, and I'm not a
Speaker 1: huge fan of this one, e A, but just to
Speaker 1: help the offense out, I'm gonna go Drake London right um.
Speaker 1: Also a guy that's a guy that's not on currently
Speaker 1: on the roster right now with bigger frame, guy, contested
Speaker 1: jump ball guy, really good intermediate route running sometimes that's
Speaker 1: a really good job because he has the back the
Speaker 1: basketball background as far as being a power forward on
Speaker 1: on little comeback rounds of shielding that body, making it
Speaker 1: big so the dB can't play through him, and being
Speaker 1: able to catch the ball. So that's another element that
Speaker 1: they just don't have a bigger receiver that can go
Speaker 1: up and get the ball. So those would be the
Speaker 1: three guys I would say the number ten by their
Speaker 1: connor and play. But knowing Joe D, honestly, I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised if they try to trade back at
Speaker 1: that tense spot because I don't have any of those
Speaker 1: receivers as a top ten player in the draft. It
Speaker 1: remains there. They're not running, they're sprinting up to the
Speaker 1: podium to turn that in, especially if they don't go
Speaker 1: edge at number four. But if Jermaine is gone and
Speaker 1: they go O line and before I think Joe D
Speaker 1: is gonna do, it's best to try to trade back there.
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Speaker 1: one seven zero seven one one seven yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you could definitely see that happening. This draft is all
Speaker 1: about depth, and you talked about the lack of star
Speaker 1: power up top, especially if the Jets are sitting there
Speaker 1: at ten and they do have a cluster of players,
Speaker 1: going back would be advantageous for a team that has
Speaker 1: multiple needs. So you were talking big time. They're about receivers.
Speaker 1: You covered Jamison Williams. You talked about Drake London. The
Speaker 1: Jets have capital to trade for an established veteran. They
Speaker 1: attempted the trade for Tyree Hill as you punch. We
Speaker 1: know for a fact Deebo Samuel has said that he
Speaker 1: wants to be traded. John Lynch the forty Niners, GM
Speaker 1: says he can't ever imagine moving Deebo Samuel. So I
Speaker 1: just want to ask you two things. If you're Joe
Speaker 1: d do you make the call to check in with
Speaker 1: John Lynch? And part B of that would be okay.
Speaker 1: If he's ever willing to listen to an offer, what
Speaker 1: would you offer, uh, if you chose to go in
Speaker 1: that direction. Yeah, yeah. I love it when GMS or
Speaker 1: personnel come out and say I couldn't imagine ever, you know,
Speaker 1: trading this player away until they heir offer. They love
Speaker 1: right essentially, especially if a player is this gruntal and
Speaker 1: has really put his foot in the ground and said,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing for you guys anymore. So make this
Speaker 1: trade happen. That way, we can you know, leave amicably.
Speaker 1: You can get some draft capital and I can go
Speaker 1: where I want to go and get paid. And we've seen,
Speaker 1: you know, over over the years. You know, unfortunately it
Speaker 1: happened to I say unfortunately, but maybe fortunately it happened
Speaker 1: with the Jets and Jamal Adams. He wanted out, They
Speaker 1: ended up having the trade and they got great value
Speaker 1: back phone. We saw what to rekill. Like I believe
Speaker 1: the Christian Kirk deal made him. I would say expendable,
Speaker 1: but it made it where the price tag was so
Speaker 1: you know crazy that Kansas City was like, well, we
Speaker 1: can't pay him. We're paying Patrick Mahomes. So they decided
Speaker 1: to let him go get a trade. Davante Adams the
Speaker 1: same thing, right, he wanted his he wanted his way out.
Speaker 1: He wanted to get back closer to home, get with
Speaker 1: his best friend Derek Carr, and forced his way out.
Speaker 1: So we kind of see a power shift, right, kind
Speaker 1: of like the NBA where players have kind of been
Speaker 1: able to force they were at their way out, and
Speaker 1: it's been unique to watch. I love it as an
Speaker 1: ex player, but just knowing the owners and how they think,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much locker it's gonna last. Right,
Speaker 1: So it's John Lynch and the brass in San Francisco
Speaker 1: willing to really, like, you know, put their foot down
Speaker 1: and be like, well, you're gonna play for us, and
Speaker 1: you're not playing for anybody. With a young quarterback going
Speaker 1: into year two that you traded so much draft capital
Speaker 1: way for, he's already come out and say, Jimmy Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: that's potentially we keep him. I think that's because if
Speaker 1: you do lose a Deebo, Samuel, you need a Ventuan quarterback.
Speaker 1: You can't just throw trade Lands out there into that
Speaker 1: fire with no surefire, you know, star power on the
Speaker 1: outside to get him, you know, for him to get
Speaker 1: the ball to to make plays. So I just think
Speaker 1: that people will say, you know, the front Niners have
Speaker 1: the ball in their court. I just think they're up
Speaker 1: against time, honestly, because if Deebo is dead set or
Speaker 1: not being there, We've seen it time and time again.
Speaker 1: Stars in this league will force their way out. Now.
Speaker 1: I almost certainly believe that Joe d is already checked
Speaker 1: in with the San Francisco forty Niners. Uh, the Deaths
Speaker 1: are one of the few teams that have the draft
Speaker 1: capital in the cash bad cap space to take him.
Speaker 1: To answer your second part e, A, what would I
Speaker 1: be willing to give give up to get debo? Um,
Speaker 1: I've heard some obnoxious things out there on Twitter LANDA like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you got an interesting take. You gotta because I really
Speaker 1: want you to get into it, because yeah, you you
Speaker 1: gotta break down something that you hit up before war.
Speaker 1: I'm interrupting you a little bit, but I really like
Speaker 1: the way you've looked at this because you talk about
Speaker 1: the offense that is predicated on the run game, and
Speaker 1: I get into specifics about the money, which you'll get into. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so um talking about what the Jets were willing to
Speaker 1: give up to get tyrekall right, I believe it was
Speaker 1: the two second round picks. Was the thirty five, third, eight,
Speaker 1: sixty nine picks. I think they were receiving a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick back right, So essentially it's almost kind of
Speaker 1: like a wash. It's like two second round picks essentially,
Speaker 1: because you're getting Tyreek Hill and you're getting a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick back. Um, Tyreek Hills are all pro. Right,
Speaker 1: he's been doing it since. Believe he's twenty nine years old,
Speaker 1: but again still puts the fear of God and in
Speaker 1: the defensive corners, coordinators, and safeties. So Deebo Samuel, right,
Speaker 1: if you look at his career, had a pretty good
Speaker 1: rookie season, banged up his second year, didn't play a
Speaker 1: lot uh, and had an elite year last year. So
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not paying what I was paying for
Speaker 1: Tarik Yell for Deebo Samuel one. He is twenty six
Speaker 1: years old and that's still young, but way he plays
Speaker 1: the game and the injury history he's had going back
Speaker 1: even to college. That would make me fearful of paying
Speaker 1: a guy twenty eight meal, which essentially he's kind of
Speaker 1: asking for because there was rumors he wanted to be
Speaker 1: the highest non paid quarterback, highest paid non quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL. So you're looking at somewhere upwards to eight
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, And I just went, I mean,
Speaker 1: so I'm trading away the number ten pick, which I
Speaker 1: know Joe d that's not even on the table. That's
Speaker 1: ridiculous to even think about. Um. But not only trading
Speaker 1: that away, but also having to pay a guy twenty
Speaker 1: five million that has any injury history. Now, Granted, I
Speaker 1: love Deebo. I love the mentality he brings. He literally
Speaker 1: was carrying that San Francisco offense last year throughout the
Speaker 1: playoffs because that defense was was stifling other teams. But
Speaker 1: they really weren't doing too much on office until Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel got Samuel got the ball in his hand. But
Speaker 1: I just don't feel comfortable giving up draft capitable of
Speaker 1: a top ten pick for a player that's not as
Speaker 1: good as a Tyreek Kill who's probably a number three
Speaker 1: or four receiver in the NFL. UM Deebo Samuels is
Speaker 1: a really good piece on offense. You know, they call
Speaker 1: him wide back, play receiver and running back as well. Year.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't understand that at all either, because
Speaker 1: Eliza Mitchell was playing well in games. I believe I
Speaker 1: did the research on this, and while I was breaking
Speaker 1: down film last year, I want to say in games
Speaker 1: that he rushed for over ninety yards, I think they
Speaker 1: were like seven and one or eight and one. So
Speaker 1: I don't understand how he wasn't the bell count. Now
Speaker 1: he got banged up a few games. I think he
Speaker 1: only played twelve games last year, not including the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But like any time he was in there and they
Speaker 1: fed him the ball, good things happened for them, right,
Speaker 1: And then it actually helped Deebo, you know, with with
Speaker 1: some of you know, him getting open and Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: finding unique ways to get him the ball in open space. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he kind of became their main back down
Speaker 1: the stretch. And I didn't get that because I thought
Speaker 1: Elijah More was really their bell cow and and carried
Speaker 1: them a lot of a lot of games. Like you
Speaker 1: didn't see it on the satsue, but he would have
Speaker 1: like twenty something carries a game and average close to
Speaker 1: four yards and all those games where they were winning games. So, um,
Speaker 1: I get why Debo doesn't want to be, you know,
Speaker 1: technically a white back. There's a lot of wear and
Speaker 1: tearing a guy, especially with the injury history that he has.
Speaker 1: But that's what makes him unique also, right, That's also
Speaker 1: one of his selling points in negotiations that I do
Speaker 1: this at running back, I do this that receiver, you
Speaker 1: get the balls to me in space. I'm a yat king. Like.
Speaker 1: I believe he's one of the top guys in yat
Speaker 1: yardage in the NFL. So I mean to me him
Speaker 1: saying he doesn't want to do that. Now, Granted he
Speaker 1: was on a good trajectory before week eleven when they
Speaker 1: started giving them more carriages in the backfield. Um, I still,
Speaker 1: I still believe you had one over fourteen hundred yards receiving,
Speaker 1: which is still very elite. Right. But I just think
Speaker 1: what makes him so unique is the mentality and how
Speaker 1: tough he plays. Right, he plays like a defensive player
Speaker 1: on offense. Yeah, that so so. So to answer your
Speaker 1: question when I would come out, yeah yeah, uh like
Speaker 1: I don't I couldn't give them to choose because essentially
Speaker 1: that's what Tireko was going for. I would say a
Speaker 1: second and the third I would feel comfortable giving up
Speaker 1: because again, you're not just giving up the draft capital.
Speaker 1: You have to pay a guy, you know, top two
Speaker 1: or three receiver of money right now when you trade
Speaker 1: for him. So I mean, you're not just giving up
Speaker 1: the jack capital. You gotta give up. That's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not apples to apples, because when you
Speaker 1: do bring a guy in, you know, potentially we're guessing here,
Speaker 1: we're hypothesizing that, hey, this guy wants more money, all right.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times when people are unhappy in
Speaker 1: a certain place, it's more than just the way they're
Speaker 1: using me. It might come down to financial money money. So, dudes,
Speaker 1: straight up, do you think Samuel is moved draft weekend?
Speaker 1: Or you think they sit tight and try to work
Speaker 1: something out. I'm not talking I'm not even talking about
Speaker 1: the Jets, I'm talking about the whole league in anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if it doesn't happen this weekend, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be tough for San Fran to do it, right, because
Speaker 1: now everybody's called your bluff and now, like you said,
Speaker 1: you wanted you know, this pick or that pick for
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. Now you're talking about picks, right, So our
Speaker 1: team is willing to give up a top tier pick
Speaker 1: in the future for Deebo Samuel. Maybe maybe not. But
Speaker 1: once your bluff has been called and you you haven't
Speaker 1: been able to trade him, then his market value is
Speaker 1: not as great, okay, because teams to feel those knees
Speaker 1: via the draft. Now, again, there's no certified superstars in
Speaker 1: this draft, but if we look at it as a whole, right,
Speaker 1: all the players that are I want to say this
Speaker 1: scron because I was a player, All these players that
Speaker 1: aren't happy with their current contract situation is a better
Speaker 1: political way to say it. Most of those guys were
Speaker 1: drafted in the second or third round. They weren't first
Speaker 1: round picks Deebo Samuel, DK metcalf A, J Brown, Terry
Speaker 1: mccorin which the third round pick. So there's great value
Speaker 1: in getting a guy in the second or third a round,
Speaker 1: especially in this receiver class. This is a deep receiver class. Again,
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be no surefire exit ex receivers, which
Speaker 1: is the number one receiver coming out Day one. There's
Speaker 1: no Jamaar Chases, right, there's no Julios, there's no a j. Green's.
Speaker 1: But there's gonna be some good number two receivers that
Speaker 1: have potential to maybe elevate themselves into a number one.
Speaker 1: So if a team decided to take a guy in
Speaker 1: the second round, maybe he could be the next Devo,
Speaker 1: Maybe he could be the next d K, Maybe he
Speaker 1: could be the next you know, Terry mcclaurin. So I
Speaker 1: think teams are looking at it that way. So I
Speaker 1: think San Francisco John Lynch can say, and I love
Speaker 1: John Lynch. I spent my last year in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: I love him and Cole. He could say all he
Speaker 1: wants about he don't foresee them traded. If Debo doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be there, and he's ready to really sit
Speaker 1: down and hold out, then you're up against the eight
Speaker 1: bol because again, you got a young quarterback that you
Speaker 1: traded away a lot of draft capital for and you
Speaker 1: gotta get him some help weapons. So if Dee deebo
Speaker 1: holds out and Trey Linz doesn't have him on the outside,
Speaker 1: you better, you better, damn. I'm sure I have somebody
Speaker 1: that can feel that void or at nobody gonna be
Speaker 1: in San Francisco in a couple of years. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can understand both sides of the coin and both sides
Speaker 1: of the ledger. If you're a receiver or you are
Speaker 1: any players outperformed where you were drafted and you're a
Speaker 1: couple of years into the league, you're looking at the
Speaker 1: money being thrown around and said, hey, where is mine?
Speaker 1: But you also get it from a team's perspective by saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you're under contract. You're under contract for us for a
Speaker 1: couple more years. We don't have incentive to do this.
Speaker 1: So it's just an interesting dynamic that not just the
Speaker 1: forty niners have to work through a lot of teams.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned those various receivers. That's why a lot
Speaker 1: of these receivers remain in our headlines every day because
Speaker 1: we're wondering what's the next move? Are they going to
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Speaker 1: some exciting news about you, real quick, how would you
Speaker 1: rate the Jets needs in order as you head to
Speaker 1: the draft their needs? This is a good question, man.
Speaker 1: I've gotten this question a lot on Twitter, and my
Speaker 1: my list might surprise people, but I think these are
Speaker 1: underlying lists. So I think one obviously is EDG rush right,
Speaker 1: And honestly, the way I've heard Joe d talk the
Speaker 1: last couple of days, it seems like he's really banking
Speaker 1: on Carl lost In being a hundred percent healthy when
Speaker 1: the season starts, right and they've added you know, Jacob
Speaker 1: Martin in the off season from the Texans. Who's gonna
Speaker 1: help on special teams and help on third down pass rush?
Speaker 1: John Franklin Myers will be able to kick inside more
Speaker 1: on third downs as a pass for US specialist. Uh,
Speaker 1: everybody's saying that he could move inside right away on
Speaker 1: first and second down. You guys were tripping. They paid
Speaker 1: him money to play on the outside. The defense was
Speaker 1: terrible last year, but if John Franklin Myers was playing
Speaker 1: inside would have been even worse. So John frank and
Speaker 1: Meyers stifles tight ends in the run game. We saw
Speaker 1: that versus Tennessee Titans, we saw versus Houston Texans. Like,
Speaker 1: he's there, big end in this position in this defensive scheme.
Speaker 1: I played that position. You gotta have a bigger end
Speaker 1: to really set that edge in this defense, right, So
Speaker 1: John Flanking Myers was gonna be on the outside. I
Speaker 1: think it's a situation where Robert Sale would like to
Speaker 1: have what he had in San Francisco. They paid the
Speaker 1: year Dfour the year before Bosa, same situation, Carl Lawson,
Speaker 1: they and they both end up getting hurt. Then they
Speaker 1: draft a guy like a Jermaine Johnson or Nick Bosa,
Speaker 1: like they did in San Francisco. They were able to
Speaker 1: bring d Ford along slowly. He didn't have to take
Speaker 1: all the reps right away. He was able to be
Speaker 1: a third down specialist and then sub let Eric Armstead
Speaker 1: and also Nick Boso on some on some reps on
Speaker 1: first and second down. I think that's the situation that
Speaker 1: you know, Robert Sale would love to have if he's
Speaker 1: able to get a guy like a Dreama and Johnson
Speaker 1: or even an in later on. If carl Aston is
Speaker 1: a hundred percent healthy, he stays in on first and
Speaker 1: second down, being able to sublet him with a Hono
Speaker 1: v Katie or Boy Mafe maybe in the second round.
Speaker 1: So I think defensive then is the first one. Second
Speaker 1: one is safety. Now I know the Jets have signed
Speaker 1: a ton, I mean eric a ton of safeties. This
Speaker 1: aw Sason. I mean talking about Will Parks coming back
Speaker 1: and signing him with la Marcus Joiner signing back. I
Speaker 1: think Elijah Riley got tendered, uh exclusive rights center came back. Also,
Speaker 1: Jason Pennock is gonna be there. Aston Davis is gonna
Speaker 1: be there. Um Marcel Harris from Florida Forts has experienced
Speaker 1: at safety and linebacker. But I think he'll be more
Speaker 1: of a linebacker in the Jets game. I just think
Speaker 1: they need to pair somebody with Jordan's whitehead, right. A
Speaker 1: guy like Lewis seemed to me if he falls to
Speaker 1: his second round, it's a match made in heaven. Guy
Speaker 1: has great range. Literally plays at the speed that he
Speaker 1: ran into Combine at the sub four four and hits
Speaker 1: people at that speed. Like when he hits people, they
Speaker 1: go back at four sub four four speed. Uh a,
Speaker 1: And it's the guy that has good range. Now the
Speaker 1: secondary coach is gonna have the table in some of
Speaker 1: his aggression, right, because there's a lot of interceptions he
Speaker 1: left on the field because he was going for the
Speaker 1: big hit. But to me, he has the biggest upside
Speaker 1: at the safety position in this draft. I think he
Speaker 1: can end up being the best safety in this draft.
Speaker 1: When it's all set and done. Um yeah, you like
Speaker 1: the second you like? The value of the second tier
Speaker 1: safeties in the draft goes, Yeah, it goes beyond scene,
Speaker 1: And to me, I think the second tier value and
Speaker 1: they say second tier, but honestly, I put Louis Scene
Speaker 1: kind of right there with uh well, Kyle Hamilton's right,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that far of a drop off
Speaker 1: from Kyle him, and he's definitely more athletic than him.
Speaker 1: Guys like Jalen pet guy like Jakwan Bursker, guy like
Speaker 1: Dax Hill, Um, these guys have great value in the
Speaker 1: second round. Like Dax Hill is more of a you know,
Speaker 1: a nickel guy. He can play in the slot that
Speaker 1: the Jets kind of already have too many nickels if
Speaker 1: you ask me. D J. Reid has nickel experience, but
Speaker 1: will be on the outside. You know, Michael Carter, Javlyn
Speaker 1: Gidrey have have nickel experience. Brendon Echo has nickel experience.
Speaker 1: I think the Jets was set at the nickel spots.
Speaker 1: So Daks Hill, even though he can play deep middle safety,
Speaker 1: he made his way in Michigan by playing in the
Speaker 1: slot and taking away the slot receiver, so I think
Speaker 1: he's more of a slot guy. Same thing with Jalen Petrie.
Speaker 1: I think Jakuan Bursker to me is a really good
Speaker 1: all around good safety, a guy that can play in
Speaker 1: the box. The guy can play in the meet, middle,
Speaker 1: deep half of of the field. He's just an all
Speaker 1: around good player. Just turn on that was constentate from
Speaker 1: last year. He was the best player on that field.
Speaker 1: So I mean, like I said, there's great value in
Speaker 1: that second tier at the safety position, with guys like
Speaker 1: Jalen Petrie, Um Jaquan Burskert lewis seen who may not
Speaker 1: even make it out of the first round. I've been
Speaker 1: told some teams really like him, Dax Hill. There's there's
Speaker 1: great value in that second tier right there. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: see you're ranking edge first and then safety. Even though
Speaker 1: the Jets have strength and numbers right now, you'd like
Speaker 1: to see somebody else in for the Green and White.
Speaker 1: The value might match perfectly for them at the top
Speaker 1: of the second round. Yeah, and then I would have
Speaker 1: to go receiver, right And I only say that because
Speaker 1: I think, uh, they'll take a look at safety in
Speaker 1: the second round. I think they'll take a look at
Speaker 1: receiver in the second round, depending how the draft board
Speaker 1: falls out. And I think there's great value. Like we
Speaker 1: talked about earlier eight, there's no receiver coming in from
Speaker 1: Day one that's gonna be out of this rookie class
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a X receiver, a true number one receiver.
Speaker 1: So there's great value in that second round. We just
Speaker 1: spoke about the receivers that are up for contracts. Right,
Speaker 1: all of them were in second and third round. Terry mcclaurin,
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf Debo, Samuel's A J. Brown. These were second
Speaker 1: and third round picks. So a guy like Jalen Torbert
Speaker 1: or a guy like you know, Christian Watson from North
Speaker 1: Dakota State, there's great value in getting those guys in
Speaker 1: the second round. These are bigger receivers, or even a
Speaker 1: guy like George Piggins who had Uh who had some
Speaker 1: injuries that Georgia, but came back for the National Championship
Speaker 1: and look good and really killed the combin. I think
Speaker 1: he ran a lot faster than most people. Dottie would
Speaker 1: has sure hands as a contested fifty jump guy, and
Speaker 1: Uh it's also a really good intermediate route runners. So
Speaker 1: I think there's great value and the guy like Jalen
Speaker 1: tober Uh, Kristen Watson, or even George Piggins getting them
Speaker 1: in the second round. Yeah, I got my eyes on
Speaker 1: Johan Dotson ode Penn State. I don't know, but but
Speaker 1: but they all can't go in the first round either.
Speaker 1: So to your point, there's could be some quality pass
Speaker 1: catchers there at the top of the second Okay, So
Speaker 1: it's to add to that point. I think receiver is
Speaker 1: the one position that's coming into the league more ready
Speaker 1: than any other position. So I think teams value and
Speaker 1: understand that. And again, we just talked about the second
Speaker 1: and third round receivers up for contracts next year that
Speaker 1: they're holding out right now. So I think if you
Speaker 1: look at that as a whole, like we can get
Speaker 1: a guy in the second round, he could be our
Speaker 1: number two receiver and maybe elevate itself up to a
Speaker 1: number one after year two or year three. Okay, I
Speaker 1: love it. It was great catching off with you. What's
Speaker 1: going on with you professionally? Man? It seems like every
Speaker 1: time we pop up, dude has got something else working. Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's start with I Am Athlete Tonight. Yeah, just announced it. Uh,
Speaker 1: I think it was Monday yesterday, Yeah, oh, Monday that. Um.
Speaker 1: I will be the new host of I Am Athlete
Speaker 1: Tonight on Mad Dog Radio Serious XM Channel eighty two.
Speaker 1: So seven to nine pm every day we will have
Speaker 1: a show. Uh. Some of my co host will be
Speaker 1: Shady McCoy, pac Man Jones, Brandon Marshall, Antoine Walker, Brandon Flowers. UM.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have a good time. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a real locker room field, right, It's gonna be different
Speaker 1: from most sports shows. We'll talk sports topics, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna take you inside the locker room, onto the field,
Speaker 1: inside the basketball arena onside, and into the baseball field
Speaker 1: and really give you that interior in an in room
Speaker 1: locker field. Um, things that you may not know or
Speaker 1: how we feel from past experience. Because everybody that's coming
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Speaker 1: gonna be a good time again. Seven to nine pm,
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Speaker 1: sure you gotta tune in. And that's every day Monday
Speaker 1: through Friday, Monday through Friday, every day seven to nine
Speaker 1: pm Eastern. Dude. That is big. We're excited about that.
Speaker 1: So I'll have Serious all primed and ready to go
Speaker 1: on the eight two in the car when we're taking
Speaker 1: our family drives there in the early evening. Finally, what
Speaker 1: do you got going for the draft? Yeah? Some for
Speaker 1: the Draft. I'll be doing the draft show for s
Speaker 1: N y UM, so I'll be there Thursday as we
Speaker 1: kick off, you know, the draft seven to eight p m.
Speaker 1: Pre show for the draft, and we're doing the post
Speaker 1: show twelve the twelve thirty close out show on Sunday
Speaker 1: for s n Y as well six pm on s
Speaker 1: n Y six and seven closing out the draft for
Speaker 1: the Jets and what they did or didn't do during
Speaker 1: the draft. Also, I'll be on Good Morning Football the
Speaker 1: two days after the draft to give us anopsis of
Speaker 1: what I thought, what teams you know did a really
Speaker 1: good job in draft and the draft, and which teams
Speaker 1: didn't do a good job in the draft. So Good
Speaker 1: Morning Football. I believe it's Tuesday, March three, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, I'll be on there Peter and everybody else
Speaker 1: and my guys, you know, Kate and and shregs. Uh
Speaker 1: those are those are my family that those are my
Speaker 1: family members. Sm Y is in the same building as
Speaker 1: they take Good Morning Football. So we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: good time on there. Man. Man, I love it, Uh
Speaker 1: well deserved. You put in the work. People are putting
Speaker 1: me on various platforms all over the place. No surprise there,
Speaker 1: I got two final ones in their rapid fire your
Speaker 1: favorite Jets offseason addition, to date has been who Lincoln Thomlinson. Secondly,
Speaker 1: the draft is always about the quarterback dominos. How many
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going round one? Two? Dudes? Enjoy? Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Kenny Pickett and Maligue Willis. Okay,
Speaker 1: good stuff. And it's gonna be interesting to see if
Speaker 1: one of those, uh comment number ten because maybe a
Speaker 1: team's looking for a quarterback and they're calling the Jets.
Speaker 1: Who knows. We'll have to see Pitts. Keep eye on Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Stiller. All right, buddy, great senior, Alright, appreciate the