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Speaker 1: Right, Welcome in. It is Sunday Night. It is May seventeenth,

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Speaker 1: The Laate Kick is live. It is the Year of

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Speaker 1: Our Lord twenty twenty. We've had a jam packed show

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Speaker 1: again tonight. We're gonna get you off the air in

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Speaker 1: about forty minutes or less. Because tonight is the well

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Speaker 1: second to last and last episode of the Bulls Last

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Speaker 1: Dance documentary, We're actually going to reference that in a

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Speaker 1: We have got a lot to talk about this evening.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go a lot of different routes. I haven't

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Speaker 1: talked to Oklahoma a whole lot, but I think I

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Speaker 1: may have a little take on the Sooners that differs

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Speaker 1: from dare I say the majority out there right now?

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Speaker 1: If it didn't, I probably wouldn't spend much time talking

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Speaker 1: also I talked about this two weeks ago. I feel

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Speaker 1: like we need to circle back and put a finer

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Speaker 1: point on it. There are a lot of decommits coming.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of commitments happen right now. This

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Speaker 1: is the reason that I talk about it. Tennessee's been

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Speaker 1: on fire Auburn has had a huge weekend. Alabama is

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Speaker 1: independent of any one school, I'm making a very broad

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Speaker 1: point that fluid is the name of the game and

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Speaker 1: recruiting for this particular cycle for a lot of reasons,

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Speaker 1: and I think they're all pretty apparent. Also, we're going

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Speaker 1: all access story time again tonight. I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 1: some stories from way back, at least as it relates

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that. And Also, we got a

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Speaker 1: big feature dropping tomorrow nine am Eastern, eight am Central,

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Speaker 1: our full interview with Alabama head coach Nick Saban. The

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Speaker 1: Social Distance series continues. We will release that on the

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Speaker 1: twenty four seven Sports YouTube channel. But because you are

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Speaker 1: such loyal viewers, I'm gonna give you a sneak peak

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Speaker 1: you Nick Saban comparing himself to Michael Jordan. I figured

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Speaker 1: that'd be a good way to end the show tonight,

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Speaker 1: and some Q and A too, So we got to

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Speaker 1: get started here. We got a lot to get to.

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Speaker 1: I got two missed calls since I came on the air.

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Speaker 1: Kind of friends don't know. We're doing the show right now.

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Speaker 1: This fall is going to be crazy. Now. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about how crazy just the world of recruiting

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Speaker 1: recruiting fan. Well, some of you feel that way. Others,

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Speaker 1: the more diehard types, you really do care about recruiting.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. We talk recruiting some on this show.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four seven Sports is a recruiting company. But when

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Speaker 1: we talk about recruiting on this show, we're not breaking

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be elite. It's got to be

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Speaker 1: pretty good, be situational, be good on third down, be

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Speaker 1: good in the red zone. That's all you gotta do.

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Speaker 1: I know when I say that's all you gotta do,

432
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Speaker 1: that's what you got to do. That's what you're looking for.

433
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Speaker 1: Start watching defensive recruiting with Oklahoma. Start watching the kids

434
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Speaker 1: they get in there. Being the transfer market, they do

435
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Speaker 1: it at quarterback all the time. Who's to say that

436
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Speaker 1: they don't start doing it as restrictions continue to loosen up.

437
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: Who's to say that they don't become the trendsetters for

438
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Speaker 1: being able to watch your talent develop maybe at the

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Speaker 1: second level, third level of the sport, not of the defense,

440
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: and then just start littering their roster with really good,

441
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: really developed, really mature transfer options in their defensive front seven.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the way they do it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how they're going to do it. I just know they

444
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Speaker 1: got a cat in there coaching their defense right now,

445
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Speaker 1: who I think understands how to do it. It's just

446
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: I mean, if he knows it now, if he's going

447
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: to know it in five years, he knows it now.

448
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: It just was what it was this last year. There

449
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: was a reason why LSU was so mouthy going into

450
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Speaker 1: that beach bawl. It's because they had watched Oklahoma on film.

451
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Speaker 1: They told you exactly what they were going to do,

452
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Speaker 1: and then they did it. And it wasn't a schematic thing.

453
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a let's hope the ball bounce is our

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Speaker 1: way thing. It was a one hundred times out of

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Speaker 1: one hundred thing. If LSU and Oklahoma playing that game,

456
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Speaker 1: unless you have like ten freak injuries that happened to LSU.

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Speaker 1: I think Oklahomas gonna win a national championship under Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 1: Not gonna call it next year, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. Let's roll on. Our All Access stories

460
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Speaker 1: always do really good traffic. We always get a ton

461
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Speaker 1: of comments on them. Normally, the All Access stories, for

462
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Speaker 1: those of you who aren't aware, are just stories that

463
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Speaker 1: I give you from games that I've covered, and it's

464
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Speaker 1: a lot of behind the scenes stuff. So I figured

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Speaker 1: i'd go a little bit further back to a time

466
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Speaker 1: before I was even in the sports media business. I

467
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Speaker 1: wanted to be in, I dreamed about being in, but

468
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Speaker 1: I was an m So if you are familiar with

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Speaker 1: the Iron Bowl rivalry, it's the Alabama Auburn rivalry. I

470
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Speaker 1: don't really care if you think it's the best or

471
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Speaker 1: not the best, irrelevant, it's very It's crazy to be around,

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Speaker 1: whether you observe it or you covered, it's crazy to

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Speaker 1: be around. So if you've ever seen some of that

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Speaker 1: home surveillance video from places in California when there's an

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Speaker 1: earthquake and you'll see like the swimming pool, if you've

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Speaker 1: ever seen what an earthquake does to a swimming pool,

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Speaker 1: that is the Alabama Auburn rivalry. That earthquake hits and

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Speaker 1: it's just like a bowl. And if you kick a

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Speaker 1: bowl a full of water, that's exactly what the earthquake

480
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Speaker 1: does to the swimming pool. The water just goes back

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Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth. And that's exactly how the

482
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Speaker 1: Iron Bowl rivalry really has always been, and it was

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Speaker 1: no different in the late two thousands. In the late

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Speaker 1: two thousands, start around two thousand and six or seven,

485
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Speaker 1: Auburn has off six straight wins seven I think was

486
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Speaker 1: the last win in that street for Tommy Tuberville. Alabama

487
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Speaker 1: has gone and hired a guy named Nick Saban, and

488
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Speaker 1: so then Nick Saban starts winning and he runs Tommy

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Speaker 1: Tuberville out of town. And then in this game right here,

490
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Speaker 1: actually that Colin's showing you look at Glen Coffee Go.

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Speaker 1: Alabama won that game thirty six. Nothing humiliated Tommy Tuberville.

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Speaker 1: He's fired. They bring in gene Chiswick, who was five

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Speaker 1: and nineteen at the time, and so it's just back

494
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Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth, back and forth. So let

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Speaker 1: me take you back to that pre Nick Saban time.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you where I was. All of you

497
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Speaker 1: remember where you were during I get if you think

498
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Speaker 1: like me and you're a big college football fan, you

499
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Speaker 1: think about where you were during big moments in the

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Speaker 1: sports history. So I've told this, I've referenced many times

501
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Speaker 1: where I was. I was working at a fabric warehouse

502
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Speaker 1: down in Columbus on Twelfth Avenue for those familiar down there.

503
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Speaker 1: And Mike Shula gets fired and then it's that period

504
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Speaker 1: of ooh, who are they going to go after? And

505
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: everyone knows they want Nick Saban, but Nick Saban gives

506
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Speaker 1: the I'm not gonna be the Alabama head coach deal.

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Speaker 1: So then they put Joe Kines in the interim position

508
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Speaker 1: for the bowl game and they interview him a halftime.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like someone cranked up a leaf blower. It's

510
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Speaker 1: just waa. So Joe Kines is not the guy. Bless him,

511
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Speaker 1: bless him, great guy, just not the guy, and so

512
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: Nick Saban has given him a no. I mean, guys,

513
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Speaker 1: do you remember the names? I remember this, and here's

514
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Speaker 1: what it has to do with where I was working.

515
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Speaker 1: I would listen on a little teal blue radio every day.

516
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Speaker 1: I would have an earbud in as I was stacking

517
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Speaker 1: these rolls of fabric, and I remember listening to talk

518
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: radio all throughout the day and hearing names like Paul Johnson,

519
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Speaker 1: Jeff Tedford, Rich Rodriguez. It sounds like there's breaking news,

520
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: We've got a deal in place. He's going to be

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Speaker 1: the head coach of Alabama. Then all of a sudden

522
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Speaker 1: you find out maybe his wife is not so gung

523
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Speaker 1: ho about it as Rich Rodriguez is. So now he's out,

524
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Speaker 1: and so now it sounds like Nick. It sounds like

525
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: Alabama's down to their ninth or tenth option, not much

526
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Speaker 1: unlike Tennessee went through a few years back. A few

527
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Speaker 1: years back, Tennessee was going after all these folks and

528
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Speaker 1: reportedly kept getting told no. So that's where Alabama was.

529
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Speaker 1: But then they circle back and they go back after

530
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Speaker 1: Nick Saban and they get him. January third, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and seven, I am Indian styled with a clipboard on

532
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Speaker 1: my lap, filling out inventory for rolls of fabric that

533
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: have just come in off the Southeastern freight truck. And

534
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: there's the breaking news in the year bud Alabama finalizing

535
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Speaker 1: a deal with Nick Saban. So, because I'm passionate about

536
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: the SEC. It's huge. I felt the same way. Well

537
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: maybe not quite to this degree, but when we found

538
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Speaker 1: out Jimbo Fisher was going to Texas A and M.

539
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if you feel like A and m's been

540
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Speaker 1: mismanaged like I do, and you're getting a national championship

541
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Speaker 1: winning head coach to go in there, that's exciting because

542
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Speaker 1: if you love SEC football, if you love major college football.

543
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: I grew up in the SEC, so it's SEC for me.

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Speaker 1: You guys know about the lower back tattoo I have allegedly,

545
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: so it was a big deal. So then that stuff

546
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Speaker 1: starts to unfold. Okay, here's what I write. I realized,

547
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: not maybe from his introductory press conference when I knew

548
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: things had changed at Alabama, was there were some folks

549
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: around town that you could always count on to get

550
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: information from Alabama, and then all of a sudden they

551
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: didn't know anything anymore. And what happened was a lot

552
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: of people who had loose lips had been disassociated from

553
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: the program, so there was no information coming out of

554
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: Alabama anymore, and all of a sudden, your little sources,

555
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: you know, down on the corner of Ninth then Broad

556
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: at the restaurant, you go to on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

557
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: They don't know anything anymore. That's when I knew things

558
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: at Alabama had changed a little bit, if you didn't know,

559
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: just by the identity of the guy they had hired.

560
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: So then Nick Saban starts building Alabama to what it's

561
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Speaker 1: going to be. So then a couple of years later,

562
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Speaker 1: I was telling Colin about the YouTube video earlier. Tubberville's out,

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00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: Auburn's looking for a head coach, swimming pool back and forth,

564
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Speaker 1: and you can look this up. I didn't know if

565
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: we could use it if we had the rights to it,

566
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: but you just after the show, preferably just google Auburn

567
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: gene Chiswick Airport or YouTube and you'll see a lot

568
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Speaker 1: of you remember what happened. Auburn is rumored to be

569
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: going after gene Chiswick for their head coaching position. He

570
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: is at the time five and nineteen as a head coach,

571
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: and a guy shows up to the airport, Jay Jacobs,

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Speaker 1: athletic director at the time. In some Auburn dignitaries, if

573
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: you will, they fly up there, they fly back and

574
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: they're getting off the private plane and there's this dude.

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00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: You never see his face. He's just off in the

576
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: distance somewhere, just yelling boo, we need a leader, not

577
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: a loser. That's what he was screaming. Five and nineteen

578
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: is not what we need. I wrote down quickly his suggestions.

579
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: He wanted Turner Gill, he wanted Brady Hoke, Patrick Nicks,

580
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: he threw Rodney Garner out there. But he said five

581
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: and nineteen is not what we need. He was adam

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Speaker 1: And of course, two years later, gene Chisick won a

583
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Speaker 1: national championship at Auburn. Say what you will. Gene Chiswick

584
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: won a national championship at Auburn. That guy was never

585
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: heard from again, or was he. This is where the

586
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: story really gets interesting. I finally get my break and

587
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: someone finally puts me on radio in Columbus. It is

588
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Speaker 1: I think twenty twelve or twenty thirteen. Ean, So Chizick's

589
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: already gone. I mean he's been fired. They won a championship,

590
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: he's been gone. That's how quickly the old swimming pool,

591
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: the water goes back and forth. There's this guy, abnoxious

592
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: Auburn fan calling into our show. Now I loved him.

593
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: He went by the handle of Pauli Walnuts. The Soprandos

594
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: was a big at the time, obviously, so he goes

595
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: by the name Paul Walnuts. So he would call in

596
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: and it was good natured, but you know, he'd rib

597
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: you back and forth. But I mean, the guy was

598
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: out to lunch with a lot of the takes that

599
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: he would have, and he was a dude who, in

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Speaker 1: spite of all the logic you would throw at him,

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Speaker 1: he would listen, nod his head yes, and say yeah,

602
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: but I still think the way I think. Anyway. Well,

603
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Speaker 1: I'm driving into the station one day and it occurs

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Speaker 1: to me because I had thought for a long time

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Speaker 1: I know that guy's voice. I know his voice, and

606
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: then it occurs to me. I don't know what was happening.

607
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: I was driving down went and Rode in Columbus. I

608
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: don't know what hit me or how it hit me

609
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: the right way, but it did. And I said, that's

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Speaker 1: the airport guy. That's the lunatic from excuse me, that

611
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: is the young man from the airport. So I go

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Speaker 1: into the studio and all the guys who were working there,

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Speaker 1: pun Bobby Ze, all these guys. I pull up the

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Speaker 1: YouTube video. I say, tell me, if you recognize this

615
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: voice I press play. They all to a man said,

616
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: that's Paulding, that's him. So he called like every day,

617
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: so has Matt our producer in radio, later did late

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Speaker 1: Kick with me and Columbus. I have him with one

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Speaker 1: of the audio pods reserved and he's got that video

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Speaker 1: pulled up and we're gonna ambush him. And sure enough

621
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Speaker 1: he calls in and sure enough he's mouthy, and sure

622
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Speaker 1: enough we ambush him. Say hey, you ever heard this before?

623
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Speaker 1: And it was as we couldn't see his face, but

624
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Speaker 1: it was as if he had heard a ghost, and

625
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: he stammered all over himself and we never heard from

626
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Speaker 1: him again. So we went from Indian style in a

627
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: fabric warehouse to ambushing a caller on a local sports

628
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Speaker 1: talk show in Columbus. That is what the back and forth,

629
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Speaker 1: the volatility of the Iron Bowl rivalry did for me professionally.

630
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Speaker 1: Did you think that was where I was going? Probably? Not.

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Speaker 1: We have got a big day coming up tomorrow. We

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Speaker 1: have with our social distance series here at twenty four

633
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Speaker 1: to seven Sports. We have landed so many big time guests.

634
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: There has not been a secret to it. There's not

635
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: been a formula. Each one has been a case by

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Speaker 1: case as to how we've done it. But we've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of people with really really good and extensive

638
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: networks of contacts here, and a lot of people with

639
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: time on their hands obviously, so we've been able to

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Speaker 1: lock down many like we've done Urban Meyer, I myself

641
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Speaker 1: have done Meyer, Brian Kelly, we had Matthew McConaughey, Barton Simmons,

642
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: had Jeremy Pruett. Recently, we've had so many I'm going

643
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: to forget like fifty of them. Evan Daniels last night

644
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: got John Wall to talk about Michael Jordan, so that

645
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: one's coming up this week. But we've got Nick Saban

646
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: coming tomorrow morning, bright and early. But I told you

647
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: you don't have to wait until then. I'm going to

648
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Speaker 1: show you some of this on the Sunday night Late

649
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Speaker 1: Kick Show. So I was really curious being that Nick

650
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: Saban is one of only a few people who could

651
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: ever identify with someone like Michael Jordan had he been

652
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: watching the show. So Colin's about to play this for you.

653
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: This is just a sneak peak. This entire interview will

654
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: drop tomorrow on the back end, though I'll give you

655
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: some other anecdote it's from the Saban interview roll at Colin.

656
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: Everyone's been fixated every Sunday night on this Last Dance documentary.

657
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: It's a multi part docuseries following The Bulls ninety eight season,

658
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: but it's also kind of chronicled Michael Jordan his entire career,

659
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: and he's been really open and really raw and really

660
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: candid about his approach and how he handled teammates, especially

661
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: the ones that he knew had the ability but didn't

662
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: have the wiring mentally, and if they didn't have that wiring,

663
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: then he was a nightmare to deal with. But yet

664
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Speaker 1: he's kind of talked about it, and I've heard you

665
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: talk about it many times, the elite versus the mediocre mindset.

666
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: You've got to be one of a handful of people

667
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: on planet Earth that can truly identify with someone like

668
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan because you've had a similar level of success

669
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Speaker 1: in your world. What's it like listening to those guys

670
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: and saying, huh, he gets it just like I do. Well.

671
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Speaker 2: I really think the last three minutes of the last Show,

672
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Speaker 2: number eight, I think it is was you know, something

673
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: that I could really relate to, that we could really

674
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: relate to We've always had a very high standard in

675
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: the program here of how we want everybody to be

676
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: the best version of themselves personally, academically and athletically, because

677
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: you know, we're college coaches, we're not just in the

678
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: professional ranks. Just it's all about, you know, winning the game.

679
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: It's a lot about winning the game in college, but

680
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: there's some other things that we try to develop in

681
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: players as well. But you know, when they referred to

682
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Speaker 2: him as some of your teammates think you might be

683
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: a tyrant.

684
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Speaker 1: Uh.

685
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Speaker 2: And you know, he paused and actually almost got tears

686
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: in his eyes when he said, there's a price to

687
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: pay for winning. There's a price to pay for being

688
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: a leader. You have to push people to get them

689
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: to do things that they might not want to do,

690
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: make them uncomfortable. You almost have to get used to

691
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: being Everybody wants to be comfortable, but it's got to

692
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: used to get used to being uncomfortable if you're really

693
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: going to be successful and you're really going to be good.

694
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Speaker 1: Uh.

695
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Speaker 2: And I could really relate to that because that's kind

696
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: of what we've always tried to get the players in

697
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: our program to do. Some understand it, some don't, you know,

698
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 2: some people use that against us in recruiting sometimes because

699
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: you know I've heard or you don't have any fun

700
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: at Alabama. Well, you know, we have fun here. I

701
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: mean the structure that we have is so the players

702
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 2: don't have too much fun. But at the same time,

703
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 2: we're also trying to create a culture of accountability where

704
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: you know, the players have the best chance to develop,

705
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: you know, the kind of habits that are going to

706
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Speaker 2: help them be successful in their.

707
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Speaker 1: Life in their future. Uh.

708
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Speaker 2: And you know that's sometimes when we hold people accountable.

709
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: You know, it's maybe to a standard that they're not

710
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: used to, but in the long run, it really really

711
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 2: benefits their chances to be successful. And I think that's

712
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: what Michael Jordan was trying to say. And and I

713
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: think that's something that you could really relate to here.

714
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Speaker 1: If you haven't seen that last three minutes of the

715
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: episode that he's talking about. I don't know what they're

716
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: going to do tonight to top that, but it was

717
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: one of those where the highlight package from a video

718
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: element standpoint and the audio the music it synked up

719
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: so perfectly. Is like the only people who I think

720
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: do a better job consistently even though the product itself

721
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: is terrible right now is world wrestling entertainment. They've been

722
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: on top of that world forever. They've lapped the field.

723
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: But man, they did a good job with that, and

724
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Speaker 1: so I wanted to get his take on that. I'll

725
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: tell you what else. He goes in depth on a

726
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: couple of things when I do interviews. Forget about me,

727
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: I know what you guys want to know, So I

728
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: just ask these guys what you want to know. All

729
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: of you Alabama folks keep asking me about Pete Golding.

730
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: I asked Nick Saban about Pete Golding and the defense

731
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: last year and what needs to change. A lot of

732
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: you Alabama fans are even though deep down you know

733
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: it's going to change, you're not quite so pleased as

734
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: you would be normally this time of year with your

735
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: recruiting ranking. Now, I keep telling you, it's pretty obvious

736
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: they are taking a more measured approach. And he normally

737
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: likes to get folks in camp and they hadn't got

738
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: folks in camp. Well, forget about me, I asked him

739
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: about that too. He's going to go in depth on that.

740
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: This full interview will be released on this very channel

741
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: on the YouTube channel at eight o'clock Central time, nine

742
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: o'clock Eastern tomorrow morning. So there's some really good stuff there,

743
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: and we got some. We got more really good interviews

744
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: coming up. We have got at this point, the floodgates

745
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: have been opened. So I've got bucket list names. Saban

746
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: was one of them. Meyer was one of them. I

747
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: wanted to get. We wanted to get Matthew McConaughey, Tray

748
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: Scott who works here as a Texas alum, so that

749
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: was a natural fit. We got a few more from

750
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: maybe varying backgrounds that we're going after, and we're going

751
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: after all of them. So you'll know when I know,

752
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: or shortly after I know. Q and a time Dylan

753
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: hit me today. Actually, now a lot of you let

754
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: me pause before I get to Dylan's question. You guys

755
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: send me emails all the time. If they're good questions.

756
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't answer every question like what is my favorite color?

757
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: It's blue. That's it the end. I'm not going to

758
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: put them on a podcast. But if they're good substantive questions,

759
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: they don't always have to be about college football. I

760
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: got a question about storm chasing this week, and you

761
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: better believe I'm answering it on the Late Kick Extra

762
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: podcast this week. Email them direct message on Twitter or

763
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: see the pen comment below the live show here, whether

764
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: you're live or watching on replay, and leave the questions

765
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: there and I'll get to as many of them as

766
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: I can. However, sometimes people send a question that just

767
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: so perfectly sums up what we're talking about on a show.

768
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: In a given night, I'll put it in the show.

769
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: So Dylan emailed me a few hours ago. He said, Tennessee,

770
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: you know, we got to put Tennessee in every show.

771
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: Tennessee has four huge games without overlooking others on the schedule.

772
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: This year they play Oklahoma. That's true, they do. They

773
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: play Florida, Alabama, and Georgia. It's not hard to be

774
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: excited with the way things have been going in recruiting,

775
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: but I think we all know at some point we've

776
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: got to win games like we used to big games.

777
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: Would you say that of those four games Tennessee for

778
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: them to take their recruiting and program to the next level, ideally,

779
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: do we have to win at least one of those

780
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: four games? Good question, Dylan, Yes, you do, you absolutely do.

781
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I told you at the end of last year when

782
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: Tennessee started so horribly, but they were able to string

783
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: together a stretch at the end where they won that

784
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: was good enough to take out in recruiting and sell

785
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: to kids in the form of a vision that landed

786
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: them a top ten class. Now, prouit, it's a really

787
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: good recruiter. They got a staff of really good recruiters.

788
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: But here's what I was talking about to start the

789
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: show tonight. The volativity or volatility and fluidity of recruiting

790
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: this particular cycle is going to be that there's going

791
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: to be a lot of movement, a whole lot of

792
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: movement this fall. If you're winning, you're not losing kids

793
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: because of your on field result. You may if you

794
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: lose them, it'll be for another reason. But you beat Oklahoma,

795
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: no one's turned off by that. But just as sure

796
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: as the sun's going to rise tomorrow morning, as long

797
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: as your local government officials say it can, you're going

798
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: to have if you go zhero to four. If you

799
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: lose to Owe, you and you lose to Florida, Alabama,

800
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: Georgia again, i'd a really good recruiting class. Right now,

801
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna be attacked from all angles about how if

802
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm Georgia, or if I'm Florida or if I'm Alabama

803
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: or if I'm Oklahoma and I'm recruiting against you, I'm saying,

804
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: you know, we do it. We do it every year.

805
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: They tell you they're gonna do it, but they didn't

806
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: do it this year. They didn't do it last year

807
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: until the schedule got soft. I mean, do you really

808
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: want to waste the only college career you're ever gonna

809
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: have at a place that's selling you hope and selling

810
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: you maybe and selling you could be when we can

811
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: sell you already are already, has been, already will be.

812
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: Here's the trophy case, here are the crystal footballs. That's

813
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you're gonna have to deal with.

814
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you it's not going to work on

815
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: every kid, but it will work on some kids. On

816
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: top of the fact that they're gonna be taking more

817
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: official visits than they would have previously, on top of

818
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: the fact that they're going to be recruited every bit

819
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: as hard as they normally are. But other factors are

820
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: going to be in play. Yes, I think Tennessee has

821
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: to they call them program defining wins. Tennessee's got to

822
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: get at least one of them. I think their road

823
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: game against Auburn a couple of years ago really set

824
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: some of the wheels in motion that culminated with landing

825
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: some big kids in this last recruiting cycle. I think

826
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Speaker 1: they use that effectively. I've heard people reference that game.

827
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: But you can lose some of that momentum too. That's

828
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: the thing about people who make a big deal out

829
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: of momentum. If you believe in it, then you got

830
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: to believe that there's also the opposite side of that

831
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: coin where you can lose it. You can have negative momentum.

832
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: You go zero and four in those big games this year,

833
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: and that's if you win all the other ones. As

834
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: you pointed out here in this question, no guarantee they're

835
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: gonna win all the other ones. So yeah, Dylan, I

836
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: think that absolutely. They do. Follow me on Twitter if

837
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: you will at Late Kick Josh, we do a lot

838
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: of interaction on there during the week, and also, you

839
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: guys have done a great job. I just ask you

840
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: to continue doing it. If you haven't already subscribed to

841
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: the Late Kick podcast, we have an extra one that

842
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: comes out during the week that you don't see on

843
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel. It is jam packed. I mean jam packed.

844
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how many words per show that we're

845
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: working in on that one, but auctioneers have probably not

846
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: done more than we do on that one. It's a

847
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: five star review over there too. A lot of you

848
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: have done that. We appreciate it. So we got to

849
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: get out of here because we've got a lot to

850
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: watch on TV tonight. So if you haven't already subscribed

851
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: to the YouTube channel, clip to golf for notifications. We'll

852
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: be back here Thursday night at eight eastern seventh Central.

853
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: Remember that Nick Saban interview will drop bright and early

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Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, So have a great week. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: about your Thursday night. Take care and God bless