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Speaker 1: Is that about in line with what you expected going in?

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Speaker 4: It's not far from it.

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Speaker 1: H Somebody was asking, what's the most difficult technical challenge

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Speaker 1: regular commercial flights?

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Speaker 4: We don't. We don't know.

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Speaker 3: With that, Chriscy, what the most important thing is because

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Speaker 3: we have not yet reached are But if we knew

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Speaker 3: what it was, we would actually fix it before launching.

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Speaker 3: So in launching, what you're doing is trying to resolve

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Speaker 3: at least we.

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Speaker 4: Are not smart enough to know so.

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Speaker 3: But like I said, what appears to be the biggest

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Speaker 3: risk right now is stage separation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know if this counts as rapid fire,

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Speaker 1: but this is a question that's been top of mind

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Speaker 1: for me.

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Speaker 2: You know what I wrote my book about you.

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Speaker 1: It was so clear to me that SpaceX was your baby,

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Speaker 1: start spending less and less time elsewhere and more and

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Speaker 1: more on SpaceX.

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Speaker 2: And then you acquired Twitter and spent a ton of.

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Speaker 1: Time on that.

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Speaker 2: You've been consumed by AI.

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Speaker 1: You know, does SpaceX still occupy space X and the

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Speaker 1: quest for Mars still occupy the same level of well,

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Speaker 1: sorry space in your your head? Or or do you

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Speaker 1: feel now you're pulled in all these other directions and

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Speaker 1: things are different?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm muchre Is there a question there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean, does does you know are you still as

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Speaker 1: quest or are you more concerned about other things?

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Speaker 4: Now we're trying to get to Mars as fast as possible.

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Speaker 3: There are other concerns like AI, and obviously I'm still

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Speaker 3: committed to Tesla.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go off space just for seconds, since I

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Speaker 1: only have a couple of minutes, and there's loads of questions.

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Speaker 1: What's the what is the status of your new AI company?

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Speaker 4: That is not for the subject?

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Speaker 2: You never tried to answer questions.

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Speaker 4: You have two minutes left.

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Speaker 2: Okay. When we were talking before.

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Speaker 1: On Twitter, you know, you said you wanted a technical CEO,

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Speaker 1: but you did not hire a technical ceo.

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Speaker 2: What what? How did you come to that decision?

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Speaker 4: This is a next question. One minute left.

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Speaker 1: You said in your note that we would talk about

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Speaker 1: things beyond space.

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Speaker 2: You tweeted it out.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, literally the title of this is the rise

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Speaker 3: of commercial space, so this is not an open ended.

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Speaker 4: You know. Thanks, Actually the call is now terminated.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: I saw that, you know, I was just following what

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Speaker 1: you said out there. I thought we'd have a little

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Speaker 1: little opportunity. You sure, and like that, he's gone.

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Speaker 2: Well. I tried my best. I hope you guys enjoyed that.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for listening, and I hope you

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Speaker 1: all have a great weekend.