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Speaker 1: First off, thank you, you know, to have basketball royalty

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Speaker 1: you know on the show. We definitely appreciate it. Been

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Speaker 1: a long time coming. Were very very excited to have

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Speaker 1: you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: I've been waiting to do this for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I have a question to ask you that

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Speaker 1: we asked all our guests, but it's different for you.

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the Olympics. Who's the first

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Speaker 1: person to bust your ass if that even happened.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, remember I was seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: So I get in the game. We're playing Russia. They're

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Speaker 3: kicking our ass. Okay, they hadn't lost since nineteen fifty

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Speaker 3: eight and Juliana Semenova hall of Famer, seven to two

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty pounds, site eighteen shoe. I come down,

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Speaker 3: make a pass, it gets intercepted. It's a two on

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Speaker 3: I picked up a charge. I was like a pancake

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Speaker 3: don't think she understood New York. I might have said

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Speaker 3: thirty five and this lady is like on top of me.

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Speaker 3: That was the hardest hit I think I've ever taken,

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Speaker 3: my world when she hit me.

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Speaker 2: Yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 4: We live on location Me and the Blackest One is

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Speaker 4: in Las Vegas, Nevada.

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Speaker 2: It's hottest hell out here, y'all.

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Speaker 4: We out here for the NBA Summer League twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: We live inside eight Lounge and Resorts World, Las Vegas.

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Speaker 4: We got a very special guest, somebody who was very

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Speaker 4: near and dear to my hard, my coach. She's the

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Speaker 4: NBA Hall of Famer. She's an Olympian, she's a look.

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Speaker 4: She break down barriers, y'all. She do the damn thing.

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Speaker 2: One of the.

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Speaker 4: Top pgs out of New York City ever. We got

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Speaker 4: Nancy Lieberman, the beloved. Yes, sir, thank you for joining.

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Speaker 3: Us, coach, Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn stand up. You grew up in Brooklyn. You was

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Speaker 1: born in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: Born in Brooklyn, grew up in far Rockaway Queens.

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Speaker 1: So when you're coming up you played softball, You played basketball,

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Speaker 1: and you played football. Why was basketball the one that

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Speaker 1: you kind of pursue? My mom played softball when I

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, football was my first sport, and

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Speaker 3: it's kind of embarrassing. But we were poor. So he

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Speaker 3: I said, Mick, can I buy it? Was like fifty cents,

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Speaker 3: So we bought the lamp and I unscrewed the base

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Speaker 3: football team because they said you had to have a helmet.

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Speaker 3: I was running back a kick and I could play,

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Speaker 3: come falling out. I was pissed, and finally I got

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Speaker 3: And I said, you know, unless I get real quick,

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Speaker 3: years old, fell in love with Walt Frasier, Willis reed, Julius,

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Speaker 3: they played hard. They kicked the crap out of me.

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Speaker 3: I was always getting in fist fights. By the way.

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Speaker 3: not coach. Yes, yeah, first team all fist fight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah me.

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Speaker 4: Corey Containa, we can't believe that the way you loved

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Speaker 2: Sometimes he might concur, but.

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Speaker 3: You guys were great with Big Baby. You know those

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Speaker 1: So you singing Walt Fraser, that's who you've seen to

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Speaker 3: It goes my whole career. Any picture you see me playing,

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Speaker 3: I were number ten, and that's because of Walt Fraser,

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Speaker 3: and I played post in high school at like five eight.

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Speaker 3: I could use my left hand because of Willis, and

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Speaker 3: so it was only seventeen years old. I'm still the

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Speaker 3: I don't think they do that at Rutger Park. I

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Speaker 3: But when I was younger, because I was toughened up

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Speaker 3: look at me. I didn't know that I was teaching

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Speaker 3: she could just see this bond, you know, so to chase.

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Speaker 1: Paying basketball, DoD Man basketball, take the color out of it,

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Speaker 1: of it, and you bind with people from far overseas

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Speaker 2: So that's one thing I love about basketball.

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing. And you know, people kind of

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Speaker 3: and how people treat me is unbelievable. I was a

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Speaker 3: that sounds like a kid from the hood. I was

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Speaker 3: You're not supposed to do that the Nancy Camp moments. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you can't play basketball. You're stupid, You're dumb, You're never

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Speaker 3: going to make anything of yourself. I was getting in

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Speaker 1: Of that, and back in that dance, it really was intense.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you know today, but back in that day,

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Speaker 1: it really was intense because a lot of stuff wasn't allowed.

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Speaker 3: Well, think about it, I'm a girl from the sixties

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Speaker 3: and seventies. There was no Title nine, there was no

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Speaker 3: gender equity, there was no WNBA. And then by the

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Speaker 3: time I got a scholarship to college after the Olympics,

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Speaker 3: we went back to back national championships at Old Dominion.

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Speaker 3: I'm player of the Year in college basketball. But I

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Speaker 3: Lieberman and guys I have to tell you. December of

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Speaker 3: and to do an appearance for the Olympic Committee, a fundraiser.

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Speaker 3: So my best friend Barbara and my mom were going

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Speaker 3: who's the other athlete and he goes, yeah, we're going

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Speaker 3: you know, acting like I was, and he goes, it's

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Speaker 3: you and Muhammad Ali. And I'm like, he's here, Muhammad

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Speaker 3: I'm Reni RENI from far rockaway and my daughter, my

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Speaker 3: there's only one greatest of all time. It's me. And

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Speaker 3: he goes your mom says you're good, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: mister Muhammad I'm the greatest of all times. And I

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Speaker 3: I'm going to ask you not to hit people. I said,

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Speaker 3: never let me go. Thirty seven years later, everything that

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Speaker 3: He wants to see you. I'd fly to Phoenix, I'd

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Speaker 3: me about philanthropy. He taught me about being an everyday champion.

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Speaker 3: He taught me how to treat people. He taught me

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Speaker 3: poured so much into me over time. The person I am,

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Speaker 3: and I'm so far from perfect. I want to make

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Speaker 3: him proud every day, even today, as a sixty six

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Speaker 3: was teaching me about God. He was teaching me about

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Speaker 3: wanted to be the greatest basketball player ever because I

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Speaker 3: was teaching me to be a racial and social activist.

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Speaker 3: I was raised by the black community. Black community didn't

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Speaker 3: tolerate me. They celebrated me. Quentin Richardson, you celebrated me.

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Speaker 3: You didn't I got to take information from a No,

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Speaker 3: you celebrated me, you respected me. That's how it's been

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Speaker 4: I want to say that this is absolutely who Nancy

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Speaker 4: is for anybody that possibly doesn't know her or don't

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Speaker 4: and I wouldn't expect anything different.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for saying that.

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Speaker 1: How old were you when you like as basketball play?

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Speaker 1: A lot of people played basketball, but it's a level

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Speaker 1: when you start getting technical in basketball like you was saying,

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. In nineteen seventy four, little article

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Speaker 3: I've been told something wrong with your daughter? Why she

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Speaker 3: So I was around stuff. They don't run those offenses

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Speaker 2: That was the first time you heard the lingo.

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Speaker 4: That wasn't at that young of age. You were so

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Speaker 4: Did you ever just take a look around like I'm

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Speaker 2: This is crazy?

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Speaker 4: Did that ever or did they even write about that

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Speaker 3: Nobody's ever asked me that question before it. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I just played, I knew. If there's this concentric circle

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Speaker 3: I'm a baller and that's the only thing I know

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Speaker 3: how to do is to play. I didn't say run

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Speaker 3: offenses or defenses. I know how to play. I know

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Speaker 3: how to compete. Kobe used to call me the mama Mama.

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Speaker 3: I was as mean as a snake. I got knocked

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Speaker 3: But the lower part of the backboard, and I'd be

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I just wanted to see if I could

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Speaker 3: get it. It's so stupid, but it was so much fun. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: I didn't really. I just played and I was getting

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Speaker 3: to Old Dominion my freshman year, I've got more experience

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Speaker 3: than the seniors. And that's why we went in the

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Speaker 3: I said, I'm taking Debbie Richard's job. Whose job are

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Speaker 3: work for us. Yeah, And so we go one hundred

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Speaker 3: and we are women's basketball before Tennessee and Yukon, and

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Speaker 3: we were selling out wherever we went. We were like

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Speaker 4: How was it for you being you know, a kid

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Speaker 4: was it the first time you got to come back

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Speaker 4: with old demean and play in MSG like where obviously

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Speaker 4: Clyde and Willis and everybody you admired and looked up

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Speaker 3: Well, the first time I played was nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: We played China with the USA team. Okay, and so

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Speaker 3: I went into in the garden. I went in the

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Speaker 2: This is like before the game, you went up and

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Speaker 3: I just sat in the blue seats because I couldn't

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Speaker 3: I was like, no, it's okay. I said, I want

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Speaker 3: Those were non negotiables for me an Old Dominion. It's

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Speaker 3: a seven hour drive to New York. You know, three

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Speaker 3: like one of the girls on Queen's College she goes, ah,

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Speaker 3: kind of like what's happening to Caitlyn Clark. You know,

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Speaker 3: she's probably getting stuff from people, which I wasn't. So

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Speaker 3: fourteen thousand people. I was so mad at this girl.

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Speaker 3: I had like thirty three points fifteen rebounds, fourteen assists,

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Speaker 3: by fifty. We won one hundred and two to fifty,

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Speaker 2: Ever pretty damn said coach.

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Speaker 3: She took me out with ten minutes to go home.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to break Larry Birds scoring record in the Garden,

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Speaker 3: guys didn't think I was overrated. The girl came into

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Speaker 3: cool that she would.

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Speaker 2: Do pretty admirable in real life.

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Speaker 3: But like I never wanted to, Like, I wasn't there

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Speaker 3: Playing both times every time John Condon, he was the

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Speaker 3: of Madison Square Garden, the most famous arena in the world.

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Speaker 3: Tonight for your New York Knicks starting at guard number ten,

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Speaker 3: Walt Frasier. I would always go starting for the New

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Speaker 3: I mean, how many women get to say, or think

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Speaker 2: Ye, tell me this.

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Speaker 4: You played in a time where there wasn't an NWNBA

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Speaker 4: yet and then you played in all like different men's

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Speaker 4: like you couldn't have known that those opportunities will come

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Speaker 4: It was just your love for the game, like I'm

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Speaker 4: Like now, forty years later you could look at it

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Speaker 4: Like how was that when it was happening.

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Speaker 3: I didn't actually think I was that smart. When I

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Speaker 3: we have tuna fish sandwiches, and I'd be like, right,

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Speaker 3: You know, we could have joined gangs, we could have

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Speaker 3: And I actually didn't want to grow up like my

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Speaker 3: So I would take whatever was in front of me.

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Speaker 3: Whether it was playing at Rutger, whether it was playing

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Speaker 3: I'm playing in a men's pro league at Xavier High

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Speaker 3: School on Thirteenth Street in New York. So the morning

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Speaker 3: for me? Is what I do? Doctor Buss and Jerry

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Speaker 3: being ahead. Did you ever hear the story? No, So

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Speaker 3: I show up at Loyola Marymount College. They give me

431
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: a Laker bag. I walk through the locker room. These

432
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: guys are naked, and I'm just like, I know they're

433
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: testing me, right, So I'm like, man, I got a brother.

434
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: I go to the back of the locker room and

435
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, inside, I want to beat somebody up. That's

436
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: who I am. And I opened the bag. I have

437
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 3: a Laker jersey, I have shorts, I have the socks,

438
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 3: and the trainer put a jock strap in there, like

439
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 3: trying to fuck with me. So I turn around and

440
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 3: I just I go, hey, Jack, and he goes, yeah,

441
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: I go this thing's too small and needs something bigger.

442
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 3: I'm like, don't do that shit to me. This is

443
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 3: the only place I get to play. Don't do that

444
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 3: to me. So pat legendary practice. He didn't want me there.

445
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 3: He told doctor Buss, I do not want her here.

446
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: I told the guys it was serious first practice. I'm

447
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: standing there like he's explaining to us what he wanted.

448
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: He goes, I need five guys on the court. I

449
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: ran out, and you know they're looking at each other

450
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: like what the So I run his offense, I make mistakes,

451
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 3: they coach me up. I get repetition. I get a

452
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 3: little comfortable with what he wants to run on the

453
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 3: offensive end. Then the next five come out and I

454
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: walked to the baseline and I'm like, hey, if you

455
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: guys don't know how to run that, I do, so

456
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: I'll be happy to help you. And legendary three hour

457
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: of practice. I didn't know this until I was coaching

458
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: in the NBA and pat Riley is talking at the

459
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 3: NBA Coaches Symposium. He's the keynot I'm sitting with Nick

460
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: Nurse and I'm filming it. I have the tape and

461
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: he goes, you know, sometimes in life, you just people

462
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: change your lives. And I'm like, yeah, that's right, and

463
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: he goes, this happened to me in nineteen eighty one

464
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: when doctor Buss. He tells the story I just told you,

465
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Nancy, isn't that true? And I'm like,

466
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: and Nick Nurse goes, you played for him. I'm like,

467
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: stop talking, and you know he's like, and Nancy played

468
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: for me. And I didn't want her because she didn't

469
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: look like the person who should be my point guard.

470
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 4: Right.

471
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 3: He was profiling me. And he goes, she comes out

472
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: the first practice, she comes out on the court, she's

473
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 3: telling players what to do. They beat the crap out

474
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: of her. She didn't cry, and she's tried to start

475
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: two fistfights. And he goes, what are we going to

476
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: do with her? And he goes, in that right, Nancy,

477
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: I said, yes, I apologize for the two fist fights.

478
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: I know it's forty years later, but I apologize. And

479
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 3: he goes, who is my starting point guard? Four days

480
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 3: later he goes, she could run my shit? Ye, And

481
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: it's so, how do you know? And he goes, when

482
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: I felt when I was coaching and I felt overwhelmed.

483
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: I was like she was five ten, she was one

484
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: point fifty. They were bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic, and

485
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: she acted like she was the best player on the court.

486
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: He said it changed his life. When he was coaching

487
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: in huddles, he felt overwhelmed, and he said he would

488
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: sometimes think of me, is that amazing? No?

489
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 2: That is crazy?

490
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: Like this is like I literally me and him talk

491
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: about this all the time, Like, no matter how well

492
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 4: we know people we've interviewed, you know, from some of

493
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: our best friends guys, we come up with whatever, and

494
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 4: we It never ceases to amaze me how we always

495
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: find out something that we didn't know. I can remember

496
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 4: when when they told me, you know you was gonna

497
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 4: be our coach. I'm like, okay, I remember her. Let

498
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 4: me look her up and see that. I've never heard that.

499
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 4: I've not like I played for. You didn't know it then,

500
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 4: and I've never heard anywhere else. So that was just

501
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: crazy for me.

502
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: The summer after you left college, you played in the

503
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: New York Pro Summer League. You played with the likes

504
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: of Tiny Archiball World Be Free. Earl Monroe, just tell

505
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: us about like that experience in that era of basketball.

506
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: Especially in New York. You know, back in the eighties,

507
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: my experience was wherever you played, if you were playing

508
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: against NBA guys, pro guys, the Michael Ray Richardson's, the

509
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: Jeff Houston's World be Free, any of those guys, they

510
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: just wanted to play. It was so simple. They had

511
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 3: no issue with me playing. And you know what, and

512
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 3: you guys know this from growing up. You get on

513
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 3: the court, and what's the first thing you do. First

514
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: five guys make their shot, plays foul shot. Then the

515
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: next five and if you don't make your foul shot,

516
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: you sit. You have to wait for the next game

517
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: to roll around. First game to fifteen, everything after that's

518
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 3: to eleven. I would work on my foul shot every

519
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 3: day because I wasn't dunking. I wasn't as big or strong,

520
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 3: but I was getting in every first game, so I

521
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: knew so like I was the strategy. Even then, I

522
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: knew if I got in the first game, you're playing

523
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: a fifteen. If you win, you stay on the court.

524
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 3: You play to eleven, and then you go off and

525
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 3: then the next team comes on. So it was always

526
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: my goal to be on that first you know, to

527
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: the best of my ability. But everybody was so great

528
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: to me, and they wanted me to be successful, even

529
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: when I wasn't a great player and I was kind

530
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: of working my way up. People, Hey, Nancy, you got

531
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: an arm bar, or you know the guy is stealing

532
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: the ball. You got to get your body between you know,

533
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: the defender and the ball, or you got to box

534
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: this guy out. They were fantastic.

535
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: How was it when you signed with Dallas Diamonds, When

536
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: you signed that two hundred and fifty thousand dollars contract.

537
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: That's on that good cast coach, you know, to get

538
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: that contract at that time.

539
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: Back then, it was crazy. So this is a true story.

540
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: I knew I was getting drafted. I'm the number one

541
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: pick with the Dallas Diamonds. And I called Julius because

542
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: we had been friends. Crazy. I met him at his

543
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: basketball camp when I was fourteen, but we became friends,

544
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: and I said, I want to be able to negotiate

545
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: my own contract, and you know, like I'm the best

546
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: two three student ever at Oldaman University. I was like, no,

547
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: I need what to stay eligible. So he sent me

548
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: his old ABA contract and he just like wided out

549
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: a few things, but he walked me through the process.

550
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 3: He goes, don't make it emotional. Just make sure that

551
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: if you want something, you got to prove to them

552
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: worth that. So I dug up how many people attended

553
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: the games the year before me, how much the tickets were.

554
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: I try to find out what the walk up was

555
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: like the media coverage. And I put a little proposal

556
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: together and if this is what you average fifteen hundred

557
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: a game, and now we're going to get six thousand

558
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: people a game, and this is the difference in money

559
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: in revenue and media coverage. And I put that proposal

560
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: there and they accepted it.

561
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: It's crazy you negotiate.

562
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: So tell me this, like you said, from going from

563
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: Attendant Julius's camp at fourteen to really becoming friends with

564
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: him and being able to reach out to him as

565
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: a mentor on something like that, Like how crazy is that?

566
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: Like you said, you somebody from the hood and then

567
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 4: this turns into your life, Like how crazy is that

568
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: to have doctor j somebody you could call al and

569
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: he reaches out to help you like that?

570
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: Fourteen years old. My neighbors around the corner from me,

571
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: Eric and Mark much Nick. They said, we're going up

572
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: to doctor Jay's camp. Let's go. I play in the

573
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: camp and I'm MVP of the little camp. And at

574
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: the end, doctor J' is handing out his awards and

575
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: he pats me on the head and he goes, you're

576
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: really good and if you keep working hard, you could

577
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: be really really good one day, and I went, okay,

578
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: I'd make the PanAm team the next year. And I

579
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: come back to his camp and I have the gold

580
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: medal and I looked at him. I go, doctor j

581
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: you told me, if I work hard, you know that

582
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: I'll be good. And I go here and he goes,

583
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: where did you get that? Did you take that? And

584
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: I go, no, I didn't steal it. I've stole other things,

585
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: but I didn't steal the medal and he just looks

586
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: at me and I said, yeah, I was on the

587
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: PanAm team and the US won them. And he goes,

588
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: you were on the PanAm team. I said, yeah, well

589
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: we became friends after that. He couldn't we even talk

590
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: about it today? He goes, is that not crazy? I said, yeah,

591
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: you patted me on the head, your hand was so big,

592
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: and yeah, and then he helped me. So you never

593
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 3: know who's in your life and how they get in

594
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: your life. And I'm telling you God doesn't make mistakes

595
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: in my life. I'm the right person for the right

596
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: job at the right time because I'm supposed to be

597
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: with you, guys. I've been wanting to do your show right.

598
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: We've talked about it for three four years. This is

599
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: the right time. Sometimes I have to be patient, but

600
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: I'm here and I'm with you, and I just so

601
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: admire both of you so much. That's why I don't

602
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: want to be on your show.

603
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 4: For me.

604
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to be on your show because I was

605
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: so happy for you.

606
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: I thank you, thank you, appreciate that and be appreciated.

607
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: Coach, what was.

608
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: Your reaction you played all these years since the seventies

609
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: and then you hear that they're fin to create the WNBA.

610
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: Oh that like? What was it like?

611
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: You know, to go to the Phoenix Mercury, have that

612
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: experience to actually just get the opportunity because I know

613
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: you're older now, I mean you're up and age. Then

614
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: you know Lee's are kind of dying out with the women,

615
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: but they decided to create a league for the women.

616
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: Another fantastic question. So nineteen ninety seven, I was a

617
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: thirty nine year old rookie. Let me back you up. Okay,

618
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: I am twenty four to twenty five years old. It

619
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: had to be around eighty four eighty five. I get

620
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: a phone call from David Stern. He says, Nancy, I

621
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: would like for you to come to New York and

622
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: I'd like to meet with you. And I was like,

623
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: why does he want to meet with me? I go

624
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: to the NBA headquarters. David closes the door. I said,

625
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: why'd you close the door? He goes because if they

626
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 3: hear what I'm going to talk about, they'll fire me.

627
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: I sat down with him for two hours and he goes, Nancy,

628
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: before I'm done being the commissioner of the NBA, there's

629
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: going to be a W and I went what he goes,

630
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 3: there will be a W NBA, and I said when

631
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: he said eighty four eighty four, damn, this is how

632
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: much this guy believed in women or the business of

633
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: women in sports. And he says, my only worry is

634
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: that you won't be around to play in it. So

635
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: when you're twenty four to twenty five years old, you're like,

636
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 3: what are you talking about. Of course I'm going to

637
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: be around here playing. You can't see the end of

638
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 3: the diving board. And I said, no, sirs, I'll be there.

639
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: Don't worry. Okay, let's fast forward to nineteen ninety seven.

640
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: I'm drafted in the Elite Draft by the Phoenix Mercury.

641
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: The day we play, I get a phone call at

642
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: my apartment and it's David Stern. We're playing on NBC

643
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 3: and he said, Nancy and the commissioner. His voice was shaky,

644
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: he was very emotional, and he's like, I didn't know

645
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: if it would It's seventeen years later.

646
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

647
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: And he goes I didn't know if you'd ever see

648
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: this day. He goes, I am so proud of you,

649
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 3: and I said, thank you so much. And that whole

650
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 3: year was so surreal that I could have Lieberman Klein

651
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: on my jersey number ten. TJ was three years old.

652
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: He had my jersey on, he had the headband. The

653
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: day before, I had hurt my finger and I had

654
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: tape on my finger. TJ shows up at the game

655
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: with tape on his finger and he's like yelling at

656
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 3: Michelle Tims, Timsy, give the ball to my mommy, and

657
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: we're running down the court. I go get the ball

658
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 3: to the kid's mother and he gives me the ball.

659
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: So many amazing things happened to play at thirty nine.

660
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: The Mercury fans were amazing. You know, we were averaging

661
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: like thirteen fourteen thousand. I mean they were the X

662
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: factor for sure. And how I was treated in Phoenix,

663
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: I'll never forget how the whole city, the fans, my

664
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: teammates treated me. We make it to the playoffs, and

665
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: you know, and then I retired to coach Detroit be Am.

666
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 3: How was that to be a GM and coaching DM.

667
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: It was crazy. I get Rick sund hires me. I

668
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: come to Detroit, they show me my office. There are

669
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: piles of resumes, marketing sales, community relations, trainers, supports. And

670
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if I can do this.

671
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: I can coach. I think I can coach. I had

672
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: never coached before, but I was kind of overwhelmed with

673
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 3: some of this stuff.

674
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: You see, now we have a bunch of amazing women

675
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: that's being basketball analysts, that's being on TV every day

676
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: talking about basketball. He was one of the first ones

677
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: to become a woman basketball analyst. How is it to

678
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: see how in twenty twenty four, how then it changed

679
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: around where you see all these women being able to

680
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: talk about basketball, not just women basketball, but men's basketball too.

681
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: Well, look at what Doris Burke has done, you know,

682
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 3: look at what like you're saying, so many women having

683
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: this opportunity to call the game sideline, you know, do

684
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: these incredible interviews. So I actually go back to Jackie

685
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: Robinson and I say this, like, with that and with coaching,

686
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: If Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier and he was

687
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: the only one, we have failed. If Becky was the

688
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: only one who got a job in the NBA, we

689
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: have failed. But then after Jackie, there was Larry Dobie,

690
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 3: there was Elston Howard, there were all these I'm probably

691
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: taking you back to names you don't even need because a.

692
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: Lot of guys from league start coming in.

693
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was really important. So coaching, I think

694
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: that was the first thing. You know, you're coaching, and

695
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: now they trust you and they let you. I mean,

696
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: it was forever that I was allowed to do men's

697
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: basketball in the mid nineties. They were like, well, you know,

698
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 3: we're going to have to ask the coaches, the college

699
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: coaches if it's okay. And I'm like, you think the

700
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 3: ball knows I'm a girl, you think the mic knows

701
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 3: I'm a girl. Stop. But it was men who said,

702
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 3: don't ever say that to me again. Don't ever ask

703
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: me again if she's okay to do the TV. And

704
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: then when you have opportunity, all of a sudden, it's

705
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 3: a game changer. You think you can own a team,

706
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 3: you think you could do a podcast, you think you

707
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: can be multi millionaires. All we need is an opportunity.

708
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 3: If you don't get give us an opportunity, then you

709
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: don't know what we bring to the table. And I

710
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: tell people like this. If you hire me to be

711
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: a head coach in the NBA and I'm terrible, then

712
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: fire me. But all you're doing is recycling. You know, guys,

713
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: you know Becky could coach in the league. I can

714
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: coach in the league. There are other women that can

715
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 3: I believe could coach in the league. Have to be

716
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: strong enough to put Doris Burke on the finals and

717
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: say that's our person, or to say, hey, you know what,

718
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 3: Nancy's a lifer. She's been at every level. We should

719
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: give her an opportunity, you know, for Becky or for

720
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 3: other women.

721
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 4: I feel like, like in anything else, things aren't normal

722
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 4: until they are are, you know what I'm saying, Like

723
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: once that first person take the dive, like you said, like, well,

724
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 4: Pop and san Antonio giving Becky such a platform and

725
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 4: priority as a coach and putting substance into it. So

726
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like since then, there's been a

727
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 4: lot of females that's getting jobs. Like whenever it comes

728
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 4: to the point where a female gets a head coaching job,

729
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: to me, it's not about whether.

730
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: She's crazy successful.

731
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 4: It's about her approach and how she handles and her

732
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 4: trans you know, how she translates to her players, and

733
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 4: then you'll see more of that. And it's like anything

734
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 4: that's not normal, it's always gonna seem like what you

735
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 4: would do that until it starts to happen and you

736
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: see it be normalized and you hear those players say, bro,

737
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: it's not much different than when I had such and

738
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: such there was a guy. Such and such there was

739
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 4: a guy. It's like coaching is coaching. It's not about

740
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 4: male or female. It's about knowledge and ability to do it.

741
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 4: Either they have it or they don't. Like if it's

742
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: a female or male. If they don't have that ability,

743
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: they shouldn't be given opportunity. Like you say, I'm living

744
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 4: proof me Cory and all of we've seen like I

745
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 4: played for stan Van gund Air, expos Alvin Gentry, Larry

746
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 4: Brown who's a Hall of Famer, the Liz Goo like whatever,

747
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 4: Isaiah Thomas, and I put you right up there with

748
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 4: any of them, as far as the preparation and how

749
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 4: you approached it and the profect from lism and the

750
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 4: importance it meant to you and how important winning above

751
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: everything else was. So to me, it's not like I

752
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 4: see what it meant and I won a championship because

753
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: of it.

754
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: She wasn't bullshit.

755
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: No, I never used to come back and used to

756
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: be like, man, we are well like prepared every single game.

757
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: This stuff.

758
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: I can remember sitting there chilling with a couple of

759
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 4: guys from the other team, like, I'm like, yo, like, bro,

760
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: soon as we get on the plane, we barely like

761
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 4: to that. You know me, I'm first flight out, first thing,

762
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 4: smoking in the morning. I'm on the plane, sitting there

763
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: and I'm getting the game playing or getting text about

764
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 4: something for the next week, and I'm like, bro, Like

765
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: I get laying and I text see him like bro,

766
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 4: he like yeah, Bro. Like I'm like, look, coach ain't

767
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 4: bullshit and she really own this, Like boy, like you

768
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying that That's what I feel like

769
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 4: gave made us respected the way we did, because, like

770
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: you said, it was like this is normally you Like

771
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 4: you didn't come into it tipt on around nothing. You

772
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: was talking to everybody, you know what I'm saying, Like

773
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 4: you say, respect us, but then still dealing with it

774
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 4: like like any other coach supposed to come in and

775
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 4: deal with it. And that's what immediately garnered all of

776
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: our attention, our respect because of the way you went

777
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 4: about it, and it wasn't anything different from like Big Baby.

778
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 4: We all know Big Baby is a character, but like

779
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: Big Baby, you run through a big wall for coach,

780
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and did it, played, hurt,

781
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 4: played everything, and it was you. But it was all

782
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 4: of us together too. But at the same time, all

783
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: of us to a man away from you, separate when

784
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 4: we would be doing whatever on those weekends, on those trips,

785
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: none but glowing remarks and stuff about the way we

786
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 4: had experienced everything. And many of us hadn't won the

787
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 4: chip Baby did, but none of us else hadn't you know,

788
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 4: we hadnt won nothing like to be able to do that.

789
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: The way she opened things up my kids was coming

790
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 4: inside the locker room and hanging and like getting to

791
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 4: see me. They didn't get I didn't have kids when

792
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 4: I was playing, so they didn't get the experience, none

793
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 4: of that. So like for her to do things handle

794
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 4: them the way they did. I was like, y'all tripping,

795
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 4: there's no way and this is right. When it was

796
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 4: all of this, Can women coach men like bro please

797
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: the people that are prepared and take the shit the

798
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: most serious li like she did, and and keep their

799
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 4: team prepared at the most successful.

800
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: I want to just say this, I'd like to flip

801
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 3: what you said. And coaches prepare you for success. Players

802
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: have to play. You allowed me to coach you hard, okay,

803
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 3: and I really admired. I'm passionate. You knew I would

804
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: raise my voice. I'm direct. I had an expectation. But

805
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: we had the right guys at the right time, on

806
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: the right team in the Big three with power, and

807
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: you allowed me to share professionalism. I treated you guys

808
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: like it was the NBA. Yeah, and you deserve that.

809
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: I can't speak to what any other team did or

810
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: any other coach did. It did not matter to me.

811
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: But I had five guys who had been in the

812
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: NBA who had stellar careers, and you deserve that from me. Now,

813
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: what you do on the court, players decide probability and outcome.

814
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: Coaches prepare you for the moment. I can draw up

815
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: a play in the huddle, I can draw up play

816
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: on dead ball. You know, sideline, baseline. But you guys

817
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:23,479
Speaker 3: were so professional and so high IQ, and you made

818
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: me look good. One of my proudest moments is getting

819
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: to know you as a father, getting to know you

820
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: as a husband. I loved having the kids in the

821
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: locker room. I got to know the wives, I got

822
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: to know the grandma's, the aunties, and that meant a

823
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 3: lot to me. And you guys were just amazing on

824
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: the court, but amazing off the court. And I'm so

825
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: grateful for your professionalism. It made me better as a coach.

826
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: No, we grateful, Like we talked about it. I was like,

827
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 4: I said, that's the only time I won a championship.

828
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: And albeit it's not the NBA, not the Big you know,

829
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 4: it was the Big Three, whatever people want to think

830
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 4: of that, Like that was some of the most fun

831
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 4: we had, you know what I'm saying.

832
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: Birdman, Baby, Corey.

833
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 4: Cat and then you know, even the guys that feel

834
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 4: being here and that ju ju, you know what I'm saying.

835
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 4: And Xavier remember x Man, Like we had great guys.

836
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 4: X Man stayed on with us coaching even when he

837
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 4: wasn't even able to fill in. No more, like, we

838
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: just had a genuine good group of guys, Man, and

839
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 4: that that was.

840
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: A cool time.

841
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: Selfless. Uh. I remember when you know, Baby missed the

842
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: first game or so he had to take care of

843
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: some personal things. We were starting Birdman And when Baby

844
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 3: came back, Birdman was starting, and he came to me

845
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: and he said, look, I've never started in my career.

846
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: I think that big baby needs to start. Who says that, Yeah, right.

847
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: Remember he was like, came to our press conference, he

848
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: was like player of the game. He goes, what do

849
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: I do? I've never been player of the game.

850
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 4: Birdman was like, like, I wish I played in the

851
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 4: NBA with him after experiencing and he was one of

852
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 4: the coolest dudes. I mean and the whole time, and

853
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: every time I ever been around in the NBA, I

854
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 4: knew he was super cool, but like really getting to

855
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: be his teammate and like I can remember after winning

856
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: the championship, US taking the trophy to the club with

857
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: us in New York and just Birdman rolling through sleeveless,

858
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 4: rocking the tads with the mohawk, with the sunglasses and

859
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 4: lifting the trophy up in the middle of the club

860
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: just like like oh, like yo, Birdman is one of

861
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 4: the coolest teammates I've ever had. Like literally, I don't

862
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 4: care in any type of situation.

863
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: Birdman was the coolest, hilarious dude.

864
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: But you know, power has been in seven years. We've

865
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 3: been in the championship game three times.

866
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 4: M h.

867
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: There's a culture there. It's so competitive that league. It's

868
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 3: gotten younger, younger legs a little bit. The euro guys

869
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: are now in the league. Yeah, so it's good. It's

870
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: it's continuing to get better, and the business model is

871
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: going to change a little bit. But really, shout out

872
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 3: to ice Cube. I just admire him so much and

873
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: I feel very grateful that I've been there for six years.

874
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, shout out of the Big Three.

875
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: How did the opportunity to be assistant coach for the

876
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: Sacramento Kayne's come about?

877
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: Warren Legarry had been talking to me for a while.

878
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: I started doing serious XM radio the NBA channel, and

879
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: I was doing TV for the ok See Thunder, so

880
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm always in the mix. And so Warren represented George

881
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: Carl and I was at the All Star Game in Brooklyn,

882
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 3: like twenty fourteen or fifteen, and people started blowing up

883
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 3: my phone saying George Carl just was at a press

884
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: conference and said he thinks women can coach in the

885
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: league and that he would hire Nancy Lieberman. I'm in

886
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 3: the arena and I'm like, I don't know anything about this.

887
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 3: I did not hear this. It was it was crazy.

888
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: So then Vlade calls me and he says, we'd like

889
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: you to could you come to summer league and volunteer.

890
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: I said yes. So I show up at summer League

891
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: and I wasn't like exactly sure, like where I fit in?

892
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: Should I just shut up? Should I just let the

893
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: coaches do what they do? And after summer League Vlade

894
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: called me and he goes, it was so normal and

895
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 3: so smooth. Write the word normal, and you know how

896
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: you worked with the guys and the respect that they

897
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: had for you, We'd like to hire you as an

898
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: assistant coach. And I was blown away. You know. I

899
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: was in the gym at Plana West where TJ went

900
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 3: to high school. My second call was to the Alis,

901
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: to Muhammad and Lani because he had been telling me

902
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: for a long time I was going to coach in

903
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: the NBA. And I'm like, how do you know this?

904
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he had been telling me this

905
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 3: for years, you know, speaking into the universe. So I

906
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: was really honored to coach for the opportunity. We had

907
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 3: a great team. We had Rondo, we had DeMarcus We

908
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: had Willie Coley Stein, we had Seth Curry, we had

909
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: Darren Collison Bell and Ellie Omri, Caspy, Rudy Gay. It's

910
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: a pretty damn good team, right, some youth and some experience.

911
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 3: I was disappointed we didn't get to the playoffs that year,

912
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: and there was a lot of internal stuff going on,

913
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: but I was happy to be part of the Kings.

914
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: How does it feel to have an award named after you?

915
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: After all the hard work you did, all the basketball

916
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: you need to play. Award other players, but with the

917
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: award with your name on it, how does it feel

918
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: to have an award name out.

919
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 3: It's crazy because there's so many great players that could

920
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: be deserving of that same award. So for there to

921
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: be Nancy leamin point Guard of the Year award, it's crazy.

922
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: It's over the top honor. I don't think anybody plays

923
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: to have statues in front of the arenas or you know,

924
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 3: older Minion named the street after me. A couple of

925
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: years ago Nancy Leeben passed and a statue sitting in

926
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: front of the arena, and then to have an award,

927
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: you know, you got to balance. I think as you

928
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 3: get older, you just become you have so much gratitude

929
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: and humility where in your twenties you're like, you know,

930
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: it's supposed to happen to me. You know, I look

931
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: at that stuff and I say, you know what, that

932
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: makes some other young people aspire to have this. So

933
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: maybe that motivates them to be a little bit more

934
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: focused or have a goal of what they want because

935
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: they see these awards in the names of people. And

936
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: the cool thing think about it, the women who have

937
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 3: won this award. Sue Bird won of three times, Tarassi's

938
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: won it, Renee Montgomery has won it, Odyssey Simms has

939
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: won it. Yeah, go to the game throughout the history

940
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: and I go to WNBA games and there's like two

941
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: or three gals playing who won the point guard? And

942
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 3: I told Caitlin, I go, dude, stop you're trying to

943
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: take my name off of it and put your name

944
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: on it because one of three times, I'm not gonna

945
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 3: let that happen. Okay, Right, So it's it's amazing.

946
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 4: You gotta tell me that I know you you as

947
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 4: humble as they come, but like some of this stuff,

948
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 4: like you gotta sit back and be like I got

949
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: a stupid, dumb life.

950
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: Like, this is crazy.

951
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: You know what. I sit in my home. This is

952
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: true story. Never said this to anybody. I sit in

953
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: my home and I've seen yours. You know, You've showed

954
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: me pictures and sometimes I get emotional and I'm like

955
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 3: looking at this massive thing, and I'm like, how did

956
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 3: this happen? You know, we were talking about your shoe

957
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: contract with Nike and the Jordans like fourteen years later

958
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: or so, how did this happen. There's so many people

959
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 3: who could be deserving of some of these things, and

960
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: I feel grateful for the things that have happened to me.

961
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: What I'm really proud of is that I'm here to

962
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: give the award that I'm here. You know, my charity,

963
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 3: Nancali Men Charities, people paid to send me to the

964
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: Olympic tryouts in seventy four. Because I didn't have money

965
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: to go to the tryout strangers. They put money in

966
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 3: a can. You know, We've given over eleven million dollars,

967
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: cold hard cash to the black, brown Latino communities. We've

968
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 3: sent over one hundred high school seniors to college. We

969
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: follow them, we track them, we bridge them to jobs

970
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 3: in the area of their interest. Your roller decks is big, right.

971
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: We know a lot of people. That's what we do.

972
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: We try to help other people. That's the greatest thing

973
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 3: you could do.

974
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 4: Speaking of that, she has an initiative with her foundation

975
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 4: where she does all of these community courts.

976
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: Bro. She go to.

977
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 4: Wherever, whateverhood, whatever neighborhood, whatever going on.

978
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: Bro.

979
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 4: She came to my hometownhood when we were playing in

980
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: the Big Three in Chicago Cooper Park.

981
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

982
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 4: Wild you know what I'm saying about Wild, Hunting Shot

983
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 4: Town all that. You know, real area, you know what

984
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Real growth and development going on there. Black

985
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 4: you feel me, you know, Nancy whole team. We come

986
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 4: out and it was snow on the ground, bro, like

987
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 4: like it was. This was in like what February or

988
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 4: something like. It was no, Yeah, it was all start

989
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 4: A sorry, yeah it was all Star February.

990
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 2: This was all Start. This wasn't even no Big Three.

991
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: It's all start. Bro.

992
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 4: They had like when they put like you gotta understand,

993
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 4: it's the court by my grandmother house, right one block

994
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 4: away from John Whistler where I grew up born and

995
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 4: raised every day from the school. As soon as we

996
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 4: get out, Bro, we at the park to my grandmother house.

997
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 4: Courts have been terrible. Court's been terrible. You know what

998
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like we put the whole the new everything,

999
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: the sport court material down, no more concrete, We got

1000
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 4: glass backboards, adjustable rims for programming and all of that.

1001
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, fix up the whole situation.

1002
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 4: Bro it ain't been like that. You know what I'm saying.

1003
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 4: I don't know how Loan. You know what I'm saying,

1004
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 4: put a whole new court in their dream foundation, name

1005
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 4: and everything on the court, Like you know what I'm saying,

1006
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 4: Like that's something for me that you know what I'm saying.

1007
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 4: You leave the in print in your community, your neighborhood.

1008
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 4: You grew up in something I ain't never got a

1009
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 4: chance to do. Like so you know what I'm saying,

1010
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: talk about how you took that on initiative and she'dn't

1011
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,479
Speaker 4: done that for like Steph Curry, like all type of people.

1012
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 4: I'm small bananas of some of some of the things,

1013
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 4: but like just following it and seeing like I've seen

1014
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 4: that they I don't know the exact number, but I

1015
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 4: know y'all have done a huge number of courts and

1016
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 4: a lot of you know what I'm saying, underprivileged, under

1017
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 4: care for communities and neighborhoods that could absolutely use it.

1018
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 4: Then they could come in and you know, the park

1019
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 4: could throw camps and do different things because the the

1020
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 4: situation allows it. Now, so just talk about that situation.

1021
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 4: And like you said, this the hood, bro, we're in

1022
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 4: the hood.

1023
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: With it's it makes me happy. But that's part of

1024
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 3: the ALI thing. From twenty years old, I get it.

1025
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 3: I understand it. I love going into the hood. I

1026
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: love just seeing happiness and helping. So they're called dream

1027
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 3: courts because it was my dream to be on a

1028
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: court because you no longer could make fun of me

1029
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 3: and profile me as a girl playing with guys. And

1030
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: so we have one hundred and twenty nine opened. We

1031
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: have over five point five million children a year on

1032
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 3: these courts. And it's grown from just like a basketball court.

1033
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: And I started to think in time, you know what,

1034
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: Like I was a terrible student in high school and college,

1035
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 3: I got my confidence and my education on a court.

1036
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: So I know inertia, I know angles, I know arc,

1037
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: I know teamwork, I know responsibility, I know accountability. I

1038
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: know if I have more points than you, I win,

1039
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: you lose. I learned everything on the court, so we

1040
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 3: realize that these were pop up classrooms. So we call

1041
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 3: them now communiversities because people people want to commune with

1042
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 3: each other. You don't want segregation. You don't want to

1043
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 3: not be around me because I'm white. We're family. We

1044
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 3: want to be around each other. So I think people

1045
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 3: are built to commune with one another. So we have

1046
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: programming on all the courts now and we'll bring it

1047
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: to your court too. We have financial literacy, we have STEM,

1048
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 3: We have kids and cops. Not every cops a bad person,

1049
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 3: not every person's a bad human being. We have to

1050
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 3: get better together. We have civic engagement where kids shadow,

1051
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 3: they're police chiefs, they're councilmen or women, their mayors. They

1052
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: get to see what people do in their communities. And

1053
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 3: then we have a career readiness so we can prepare

1054
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 3: you for that next level. And yeah, we've done this.

1055
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 3: We just finished doing our second court for Julius in

1056
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: New York in Nasa County. You don't have to be

1057
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: famous to have a court, because we have courts just because,

1058
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: but we put them in communities that kids need to

1059
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: get out of the house, get out there, breathe. And

1060
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 3: now with all so much going on with my.

1061
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: Kids and tablets, it's.

1062
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: This but mental health. So I got this letter. It

1063
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 3: was handwritten. I don't actually know how I received it

1064
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 3: about four years ago. It said, dear basketball lady, I

1065
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 3: don't know who you are or what you do, but

1066
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 3: I'm sitting on your dream court. I have had severe

1067
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 3: depression and I have thought of killing myself, and I

1068
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: have come to your court and I sit here and

1069
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 3: it gives me a chance to breathe and reflect and regroup.

1070
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: Thank you basketball lady for putting this court in my neighborhood.

1071
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: And they never signed it. I don't know if it's

1072
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: a girl or a guy. I cried. I cried, and

1073
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, this is what we're supposed

1074
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 3: to be doing. So we do. These are the things

1075
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 3: we do. I'm gonna invite you guys to come to

1076
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: dream Ball.

1077
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,479
Speaker 2: Is that the event? Yeah? I think the one? Yeah, yeah,

1078
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: you know I've been the one. You know, I've been

1079
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: out there in Dallas.

1080
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: You should come and see you Remember that we have

1081
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: six seven hundred people.

1082
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 4: A lot of people that being rewarded and stuff for

1083
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 4: what they've done in the community.

1084
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 3: It was dope, and we're raising the money to give it,

1085
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 3: We're not raising the money to keep it.

1086
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: He don't misconstrue it.

1087
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 4: You know they say everything they do it big in Dallas,

1088
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 4: and don't think that. You know, Nancy ain't no small fry.

1089
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 4: It'd be everybody, Dion Sanders, all type of people be

1090
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 4: involved in this stuff. It ain't no little boy business.

1091
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 4: Now tell him about big business.

1092
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: So I got to tell you this one thing before

1093
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: your question. So we honored a year ago Dick Vital

1094
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: and you know, I meet with my board, I'm like, Dick,

1095
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: you know, had cancer, no cancer. And then so people

1096
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 3: don't believe this. One of my closest babies is n

1097
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: Elie Choppa. We're inseparable. People like what I said, stop

1098
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: yes me and to We're like this. You know, his

1099
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: his song Champions, great song. I'm in his video. I'm

1100
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: in my first rap video. And people like, you're not

1101
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: in his rap video. I'm like, dude, take out your phone.

1102
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: There's Floyd Mayweather, there's Odell, there's Lebron, there's Tyson, there's

1103
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: Jewel Lloyd, and there's a white girl. So we honored

1104
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 3: him last year and my board was like, you know, Nancy,

1105
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 3: you know we don't want to go again. And I said, good,

1106
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: then don't We're gonna honor an Eli Choppa? Well, you know,

1107
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. You know who stole the show Choppa.

1108
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: Everybody in Dallas fell in love with him. Those are

1109
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: the things that make me happy. That's like the secret sauce.

1110
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 3: That's like my little magical powers is bringing people together.

1111
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to in l E.

1112
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: I got an opportunity to meet him too, got an

1113
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: opportunity to meet his mom. Like they such beautiful people,

1114
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: good spirit, good energy. I definitely believe everything you saying

1115
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: because when I got a chance to meet him, they

1116
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: were so humble, not big egos. You probably wouldn't even

1117
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: know he was a rapper, how he carried hisself professional

1118
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: and did what he did.

1119
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: But shout out to them.

1120
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 4: Speaking of you, saying you spreading your magic? You know

1121
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 4: you are Lady Magic. Can we get the origin story

1122
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 4: of how you became Lady Magic? Was that a Rucker

1123
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 4: park nickname that was bestowed or how did that become

1124
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 4: about Rutger Parker.

1125
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 3: I was fire because of the flaming red hair and

1126
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 3: my apparently my attitude, fiery personality. And when I went

1127
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 3: to Old Dominion, I really didn't have a nickname. And

1128
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: my freshman year Michigan State and Magic Johnson played in

1129
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: our men's you know, Optimist Classic, the Holiday Classic, and

1130
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 3: Irvin is like throwing dimes every which way and like

1131
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 3: the next day in the Virginian Pilot newspaper, it was like,

1132
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 3: if he's magic, Nancy must be Lady Magic. And that's

1133
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: how it started. Nice and yeah, and you know, Irv

1134
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 3: and I became friends in time and even now like

1135
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: we're working on my documentary and they're like, there's one thing.

1136
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: It's Lady Magic in Kevin Durant's Point Gods. I mean,

1137
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 3: first of all, it's the greatest point guards in New

1138
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 3: York City history. And when they were like, we'd like

1139
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:57,439
Speaker 3: to include you, I was like, how many? How many

1140
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: more times can people be so kind to me to

1141
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 3: be the greatest point cords in New York City? Crazy?

1142
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 3: And they said, you know where do you want to

1143
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 3: film your part? Half quarter Rucker Park. That's where it

1144
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 3: started for me. And going back to the park and

1145
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 3: people yelling out of the projects fire fire, I'm like,

1146
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 3: I know they're all right, They're not saying lady Magic.

1147
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 3: They're calling me fire and people coming down to the

1148
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 3: court just for a hug.

1149
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: How did that make you feel? After so long?

1150
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 4: Like you said, going back and sitting at half quart

1151
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 4: of Record Park, and then I actually happened, Like you said,

1152
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 4: all be it older folks like they still just knowing

1153
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 4: what it was And what was that like?

1154
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: The nostalgia that.

1155
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 3: It's love is love is love. You know, the greatest

1156
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 3: religion in the world is loving kindness. And the people

1157
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 3: up at Rutger have treated me like I was one

1158
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 3: of their own since I was thirteen, fourteen years old.

1159
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: It's just powerful to know that through all these years

1160
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 3: we might not have seen each other. In fifteen twenty years,

1161
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 3: the minute you see somebody like you and I could

1162
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 3: not see each other, and the minute were inseparable. And

1163
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 3: if that doesn't make you feel good, you have no

1164
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: freaking pulse. Yeah, you know, we're family.

1165
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: We had the opportunity to go to see d Wade

1166
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: get inducted to the Hall of Fame last year in Springfield.

1167
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: But while we was there, we had the opportunity to

1168
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: see them induct the nineteen seventy sixteen into the Hall

1169
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: of Fame.

1170
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: You know, it's been a long time coming.

1171
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: How was that feeling for you, How was the appreciation

1172
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: for that the Hall of Fame to do that for you.

1173
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: Even though you was already in the Hall of Fame.

1174
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 3: You know, I was personally happy for the seventy sixteen.

1175
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 3: I was sad that it took so long because I've

1176
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 3: lost seven members, my head coach, my assistant coach, my trainer,

1177
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 3: Gene Rowland, who is our manager, Pat Summit, Lucy Harris,

1178
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 3: my roommate, Charlotte Lewis. We've lost so many of those players,

1179
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 3: and they more deserving of me, should have had the

1180
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 3: right to be on that stage. That was my initial thought,

1181
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 3: and then there were four or five of us that

1182
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: were there. Those women never thought they would get their flowers,

1183
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: you know, Pat Summit, Ann Myers, myself were lucky. People

1184
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 3: have just been so nice to us our entire careers.

1185
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 3: Until Lucy died and Shack and Steph did her, you know,

1186
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 3: Queen of the Court documentary, nobody knew how great Lucy

1187
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 3: Harris was. I mean, she had a die for someone

1188
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 3: to give her her minute. She deserved more than a minute.

1189
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 3: One of the greatest ever. And so I was thinking

1190
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 3: that you know the athletes that were that have these

1191
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 3: rings and these jackets, whatever happens going forward, they at

1192
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 3: least know they didn't make money, they didn't have fame,

1193
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 3: but they were the first women's Olympic team ever and

1194
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 3: they started something and we meddled. You know, we got

1195
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 3: the silver. We stood on that platform. There is nothing

1196
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 3: like bending over and having that medal put around your

1197
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 3: neck and representing America.

1198
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: We talk about Pat Summer and a lot of people

1199
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: don't know Pat was a hooper. Can you kind of

1200
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: just tell us about Pat Ann Myers and Lucy Harris.

1201
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: How good of a basketball player?

1202
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 3: The woman was, well, Pat, she was from Henrietta, Tennessee.

1203
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 3: She was country strong, right. She used to wrestle horses

1204
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 3: and whatever. So I guess I'm the only player that

1205
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 3: has played with her, for her on the US team

1206
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 3: and against her in college Olderminion, Tennessee, because I was

1207
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 3: so young. Pat was one of those She was kind

1208
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 3: of like a Harrison Barnes. She was just strong, smart, reliable,

1209
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 3: great passer, a rebounding machine at five foot ten. Because

1210
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 3: she was at country strong, she just kept she never quit,

1211
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 3: never quit, never quit, and just kept coming and coming

1212
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 3: at you. And was captain of the Olympic team. Tore

1213
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 3: her acl one year and I don't even know how

1214
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 3: she came back to play in the Olympics because they

1215
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 3: didn't have the sophistication in medicine technology at that point.

1216
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: She was just tough. I had a garter every day

1217
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 3: in practice, and it was it was like a war.

1218
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if you were thirty feet away, You're

1219
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 3: going to box you out. You knew there was a choice.

1220
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 3: If you're near her, you're going to get hit, or

1221
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: you're going to go around her and you're not going

1222
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 3: to the play. So I learned a lot from her,

1223
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 3: and she was obviously so smart, but she was just,

1224
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 3: you know, tough as nails. Lucy Harris was built like Adonis.

1225
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 3: She was, you know, six', three six.' four she, was strong.

1226
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: Immovable object if You gave lucy the ball down in,

1227
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 3: the post it. Didn't Matter and i'm not joking. On

1228
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 3: this we're playing an exhibition on our Way. To japan

1229
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 3: we're Playing, against japan we're both in we Were. In

1230
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 3: hawaii we put the. Ball inside there's a picture of

1231
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 3: Three little japanese players Hanging on lucy's arm and their

1232
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 3: feet not touching. The ground she was like lifting, them

1233
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 3: Up and, I'm like i'm glad she's, my. Teammate, Right

1234
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: powerful she could, do anything and she would talk. Like

1235
01:07:55,720 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 3: this she, was very very. Soft spoken she scored the

1236
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 3: first basket In the olympic women's history at nine o

1237
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 3: two in. The morning she was just a. Great teammate

1238
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 3: she was. My, vet right you all have. A vet

1239
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 3: most people go you have a what you know who your,

1240
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 3: vet was who took you under. Their wing lucy was.

1241
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 3: My vet she quietly would walk into my room and

1242
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 3: just sit on the bed and are. You okay, i'm,

1243
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 3: LIKE yeah i don't have anybody to. Talk to everybody's

1244
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: so much older. Than me and she would. JUST listen

1245
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 3: i was very lucky to. Have Her, ANN myers i

1246
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 3: asked at the first tryout in nineteen, SEVENTY four, i,

1247
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 3: said like who's the best? Player here and they. WENT her,

1248
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,879
Speaker 3: i said what's? Her name, They Said? Ann. Myers OKAY

1249
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 3: like i would watch her the. Whole tryout then at

1250
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 3: The pan ams in, seventy five every practice, at Tryouts

1251
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 3: if anne was in, THIS line i was right. Behind

1252
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 3: her if she ran, THIS way i ran. That way

1253
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 3: if some but he had to. GUARD her i. GUARDED

1254
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 3: her i figured she was so good that they would

1255
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 3: want to know who the kid was who Was Guarding.

1256
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 3: Annie myers it's like wanting To. Guard, jordan yeah like

1257
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 3: he's gonna get by. You anyway he gets. By everybody

1258
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 3: but if you stop in one or, two time Who?

1259
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 3: Is quentin His. NAME'S quintin i believe in my HEART

1260
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 3: that i Made the olympic TEAM because I Guarded ann

1261
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 3: myers in, every practice, every scrimmage and THAT'S how i.

1262
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 3: Got noticed and she. Was amazing she, was smart she,

1263
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 3: was quick she, could shoot, you know she could run,

1264
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 3: the point she could play. The two she played like.

1265
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 3: A boy.

1266
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 4: Tell me, it's like obviously it's a lot of work

1267
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 4: still to be done and a long way still. To

1268
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 4: go but LIKE the wnba, in particular like we talked

1269
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 4: about it before, we started the more support has come

1270
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 4: with the college game and so as a women's college

1271
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 4: game and now translating over TO, the wnba y'all, get private,

1272
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 4: you know planes and stuff like it should. Have been

1273
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 4: but the contracts are trying to creep up and things.

1274
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 4: Like that girls are starting to be able to get

1275
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 4: different jobs here where they don't have to go and

1276
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 4: Do what brittany was doing going Over to russian, different

1277
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 4: things at least some of the. Top players we'd like to,

1278
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 4: see more but like it's still becoming. More opportunities so

1279
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 4: how proud are you to see how far things, have

1280
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 4: come even though knowing that it's still a long way.

1281
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 2: To go.

1282
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 3: It's fantastic, YOU know i hope to HAVE when i

1283
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: was YOUNGER that i could have had played IN the NBA.

1284
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 3: Or wnba today's athlete expects to HAVE. A, wnba yeah there's,

1285
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 3: you know ten year. Old too, Yet well i'm going

1286
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 3: to do This and i'm gonna go to W then

1287
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 3: i'm going to play On the. Olympic team we Didn't have,

1288
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 3: olympic TEAM had I know i could. Be there so we're,

1289
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 3: making tremendous. Tremendous progress i'm, happy that, you know the

1290
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 3: players in this league are so united in what their belief.

1291
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 3: System is they've been great as far, as causes and they're,

1292
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 3: you know sticking up for what, they Believe which i'm

1293
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 3: really proud of the players in. This league, But again

1294
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 3: i'm going to go Back to Jordan. And tiger it

1295
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 3: takes somebody to change your financial futures and if he's

1296
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 3: filling up the arena and HE'S on tv and everybody

1297
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 3: is buying. His sneaker now it's. A movement and even

1298
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 3: it's a, singular person it will eventually filter down to

1299
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 3: all the other, you know Magic And bird and it's

1300
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 3: not just, one, Person right it's not Just A. Jackie robinson.

1301
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 3: Everybody's benefiting it says a great time to be a woman.

1302
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 3: In Sports and i'm, So proud like there's not been

1303
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 3: a DAY that i look at, You Know, asia wilson

1304
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 3: or You know skyler Or The tamika catchings or some

1305
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 3: of the great players in, this Game and i'm not jealous. Of,

1306
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 3: THEM now i am a little envious that they they

1307
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 3: got to play in. THEIR prime i would have loved

1308
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: to have played in my prime and can peded, against them,

1309
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 3: you know kind of mono. And Mono but i'm so

1310
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 3: Proud of, they're beautiful, they're smart, they're marketable they're, uber

1311
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 3: talented the best players in. The world who's Better Than.

1312
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 3: Asia wilson she deserves, her book she deserves, her endorsements

1313
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 3: she deserves her. Sneaker contract and it's only going to

1314
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 3: get better because of the work that. They're DOING like,

1315
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 3: I said i was An, unpaid, olympian unpaid, a trailblazer

1316
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 3: whatever you.

1317
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 4: Call.

1318
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 3: Me legend they are, paid Legends and i'm happy for

1319
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: them because there's a little four year old who's going to,

1320
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 3: be making, you know in twenty years eight million dollars

1321
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: a year just in salary IN their wnba.

1322
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 4: Special shoutout Of skylet digg and she made a comment

1323
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 4: on my daughter's first. Bucket post mackenzie saw that she

1324
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 4: hyped you Know what, I'm saying So my mackenzie might

1325
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 4: be one of them little kids in a few years making.

1326
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 2: Some money Shout out Skylar For Skylars. GO matt i

1327
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 2: got one more question to.

1328
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: Ask you you played in a lot, of leagues and

1329
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: you played with men. And women so if you had

1330
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,799
Speaker 1: to put four other women players to make an ultimate

1331
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: five and four other men players that you played with

1332
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: to make an, ultimate five what would?

1333
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: Beat them four?

1334
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 3: Other players so my all time starting five in, women's

1335
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 3: basketball these are Players that i've. PLAYED with i Would Have,

1336
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 3: LUCY harris i Would Have, Lynette Woodard, ann MYERS and

1337
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 3: i Would Have now i've got To think i'm going

1338
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: back to THE w i Would Have. Peggy gillam she

1339
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 3: Was Unbelievable, peggy gillam she was runner UP for mvp

1340
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 3: first year in. The league AND really nba Guys that i've.

1341
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 3: PLAYED with i Would Have, MICHAEL jordan i Always Have,

1342
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 3: Joe Dumars. Dennis frodman I'd have Rolando black men and

1343
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 3: the bucket, Right there I'd Have. Steph curry THIS was

1344
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 3: i like, to, ask.

1345
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 4: Coach, YOU know i don't been privileged to a couple,

1346
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 4: few things. YOU know i know You And DION tight

1347
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 4: i know you didn't get him like a gold post

1348
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 4: for his, yard SOMETHING but.

1349
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 2: I want, to know like, You Know, lady magic you know.

1350
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: You didn't you didne made a couple of dollars over

1351
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: your time and.

1352
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 4: Your life? You, good now what have you done with a?

1353
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 4: Big purchase like probably when you was a little bit younger.

1354
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 4: Or whenever but when you look back, at, like yeah that's.

1355
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 4: Pretty crazy but something that, you did you know that

1356
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 4: that you felt made you feel good with a.

1357
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 2: Big, PURCHASE.

1358
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 3: Okay i, love CARS and i like. FAST cars i.

1359
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 3: LOVE it i don't really need a lot of jewelry.

1360
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 4: Or anything THEN your gt coop. To, CONVERT now i

1361
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,440
Speaker 4: haven't seen that one, that's lately.

1362
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 3: The red one or the. White one the white one,

1363
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 3: You Had so i'm trading it in about three. Years,

1364
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 3: Ago YES so i go into this Dealership and, I'm

1365
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 3: thinking i'm going to give somebody the privilege of having

1366
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 3: driven another one for two three thousand Miles and i'll

1367
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 3: just trade. Mine in so there's this red car on

1368
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 3: the showroom floor and the, lady goes you need to

1369
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 3: take a look. At this it's the one hundred. Year

1370
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 3: anniversary i'll show you the picture After. Of bentley they

1371
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 3: only made One hundred bentley's in This red they sent

1372
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 3: seventy five to the Dealers, in europe and they gave

1373
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 3: one to each of the biggest dealerships volume dealerships In The.

1374
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 3: United States and, i'm, like, no no that's. A car that's, A,

1375
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 3: House like i'm not. Doing that there's No way i'm

1376
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 3: going to. Do that so that car is in. My

1377
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 3: house it. Is amazing they even have like a piece

1378
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 3: of gold that came Off the bentley from nineteen nineteen

1379
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 3: and it's in the car on the dash and they have.

1380
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 3: All that like people look at the car and, they

1381
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 3: go oh, my gosh and they have it won through.

1382
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 3: One hundred so on the front of mine it has,

1383
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 3: number one and somebody has number two and number and people, are,

1384
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 3: like well you got the first how? Did You and,

1385
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 3: i'm like it's a. LONG story i wasn't looking. FOR

1386
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 3: this i think that probably in the HOUSE that i

1387
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 3: live in is a, little much but it'll end UP.

1388
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 3: Being tjs he's trying to push. ME out i. Think already, all,

1389
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 3: right man this has.

1390
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 4: Been, AWESOME man i we finally got. It, Done Man,

1391
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 4: lady magic one of the best, hoopers ever first lady

1392
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 4: to WIN an nba champ well NOT an Nba A big.

1393
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 4: Three championship as a. Head coach, you know so many

1394
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 4: different awards, you've won Use, the Olympian A, Gold medalist Hall,

1395
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 4: of famer. All that, my coach my. Fav coach so,

1396
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,360
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1397
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1399
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1400
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