1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, from the police, to the 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: EMS responders, to the Hernandez family itself, the death of 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: nine year old Emma Hernandez is one that will not 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: soon be forgotten. It was a horrifying death and a 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: family is desperate to cooke. She's a very, very, very 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: smart girl. No, she's going to be very very missed. 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: Emma's pictures show her to be the beautiful, fun loving 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: child the family describes. This is her neighborhood. She should 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: be able to be free and do what every kid does, 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: walk around and ride their bikes. They shouldn't be afraid 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: to be in their own neighborhood. Today, the bicycle she 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: rode when the dogs attacked sat in the front lawn 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: just behind the makeshift memorial. Mourners started building last night 14 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: and continued today. Teddy bears a skateboard lick candles. Her 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: aunt and mother, Claudia Stapleton, told Local four News. Then 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: Emma's father, Armando, who didn't feel up to speaking on camera, 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: battled with the dog's owner just last week, had actually 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: had an argument with them that they needed to be 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: property fence, they couldn't be just be roaming out, and 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: he just didn't do anything. The DPD arrested the owner 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: last night. In the meantime, the animal control unit tells 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: us that they expect to euthanize those three pit bulls. 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm gonna be sick, physically sick. 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: This gorgeous nine year old little girl, Emma mauled dead 25 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: by not one, not two, but three pit bulls that 26 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: are so crazy to get at her. They broke through 27 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: a fence as she rode her bike near her own home. 28 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: I cannot even imagine dying that way, much less is 29 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: a nine year old child being attacked by pitbulls. You 30 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: were just hearing our friend at NBC four. That was 31 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: Rob Maloney and he was speaking with Emma's family. Oh 32 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: my stars, I mean to see grace. This is crime stories. 33 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You know, Jason oceans 34 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: with me, renowned defense attorney in the Tri state area 35 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: joining me right now out of New York, but also 36 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: a long time personal friend, even though he is a 37 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: defense lawyer. Trying not to think about that or hold 38 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: it against him. But Jason, you have a beautiful boy 39 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: and girl. Okay. You and I sat through hours and 40 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: hours and hours on a darkened set at Court TV, 41 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: watching live trials and commenting on them and our golf voices. 42 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: And you know, all the years I talked to you 43 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: about how I wanted a family and could it ever 44 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: happen for me? And literally since nineteen ninety seven we 45 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: first started talking about what I ever get to have 46 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: a family. Can you imagine a nine year old little 47 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: girl just riding her bike, attack bike, not one, but 48 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: three pitbulls and mauled dead? Jason, I mean, how could 49 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: anybody defend the dog owner? You can't, Nancy. I mean 50 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: it chokes me up listening to this. And you know 51 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: you have a responsibility. You have animals and they have 52 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: a pedigree, and you're responsible for your animals and they 53 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: need to be secure, and you can't be flipping about it. 54 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: You know, the defendant might be tearful, who cares well? 55 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: I think I've got somebody that disagrees with you, Jason Oceans, 56 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: I've got somebody. Her name is Penny Douglas. She's known 57 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: throughout the Southeast region from Georgia to Florida to Alabama, 58 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: you name it. She's also known aka as a quote 59 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: dog nut. And let me tell you what happened one 60 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: time I was taking something, some kind of legal proceedings 61 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: or some documents to Penny douglas Fur's home. Okay, I 62 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: walk pretty home from the outside. Who knows what dangerous 63 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: lurk inside. I go up to the front porch and 64 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: it's a nice, big, two story home of a front yard. 65 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: In the backyard, in the trees, into this, into that. 66 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: I didn't even get to ring the doorbell when this 67 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: mass of fur and teeth and snarling insanity hurled itself 68 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: to the door. I thought I nearly ran off the porch. 69 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: I just it was. I guess eight rockweilers living in 70 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: the house, running wild. And if you look in the house, 71 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: there's all these, you know, like ceramic figurines and ballet 72 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: dancers and aren't on the walls, and the dogs. So, Penny, 73 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: I think the dogs should have gotten the death penalty. 74 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. Oh. I have 75 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: a problem with given the death penalty to the dog. 76 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: I blame the owner, not the dog. They killed a 77 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: nine year old little girl, Penny, I understand that. So 78 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: the owner should have had the dogs properly restrained and 79 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: it wouldn't happen. I understand the little girl's father got 80 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: into an argument with the owner the day before about 81 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: the fact that the fence was broken and the dogs 82 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: could get through it. And I would never and I 83 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: know you wouldn't let your children go out if they 84 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: were loose dogs in the neighborhoods that are three. I 85 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: cannot believe you are trying to put this on the parents. 86 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: I also understand there are allegations that the dogs had 87 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: been loose before and went to a nearby store, and 88 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: on another occasion they attacked and killed some puppies, killed 89 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: some puppies. I mean to me, Doctor Brian Russell, lawyer 90 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: and psychologist, host of the hit series on ID Fatal 91 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: Vows and author, doctor Brian Russell, I mean to me, 92 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: it's just like a machine gun, an oozy laying in 93 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: the front yard and it goes off and guns people down, 94 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: guns down a child. To have three wild pit bulls 95 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: and Penny dub with fur. I mean, I don't know 96 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: how she even fixed her mouth to say this, somehow 97 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: suggests the parents shouldn't let the little girl out, like 98 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: she's the one that needs to be fenced in to 99 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: ride her bike. I accuse her regularly of having lost 100 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: her mind. But guess what, she hasn't lost her mind. 101 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 1: She really believes that she argues it successfully in court. 102 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: What well, let me first just say that I too, 103 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: am a huge dog lover. In fact, there's a thin 104 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: line between dog lover and dog. Well. Yeah, I don't 105 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: know if I cross into that territory, but I will 106 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: tell you I'm embarrassed to say that. No matter what 107 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: I put on my social media about psychology or crime 108 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: or law or whatever, the most popular things I ever 109 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: post or pictures of my dog. And over the last 110 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: several years, with all the media that I've been doing, 111 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: I have not taken very many law cases as a lawyer. 112 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: But I have one now that is almost exactly what 113 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: you just said. And I took it because these these 114 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: two young women owned this little dog. One of them 115 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: took the dog out for a walk, and this guy, 116 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: just like in this case, who let his pit bulls 117 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: be out running wild in his front yard, the pit 118 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: bulls killed these young women's little dog. They just came 119 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: out and tore the little dog to there's a little 120 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: docks and tore it to pieces. And in that kind 121 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: of a case, I absolutely cannot understand how the girls 122 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: that owned this dog could have any liability whatsoever, and 123 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about Oh well, they knew 124 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: that sometimes these pit bulls are out running loose in 125 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Nothing. It's a negligent, negligent, reckless, irresponsible owner, 126 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: just like in this case. And I'm so angry, of 127 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: course for the loss of this little girl, but I'm 128 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: angry at what this does to I mean, it is 129 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: I can't you know, well, I'm gonna let you and 130 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: Penny Douglas fur just ste in the same pot. Take 131 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: a listen to w x y Z reporter Matt Smith. 132 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: The family's still really in shock and in mourning. Community 133 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: members stopping by the house all day, and makeshift memorial 134 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: already started for little Emma. And really all anybody can 135 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: say at this point in time is they don't know 136 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: what comes next. Candle's flicker in the picture stands for 137 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: all the sea. Emma Rnandez taken far too soon. Family 138 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: members telling me she was riding this bike like she 139 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: always rode, when she was turning around at an alley. 140 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: There she was met by three dogs who mauled her 141 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: to death. When I'd come out of my house, I 142 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: heard all the screaming and that I was aware that 143 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: something bad had happened. That neighbor wasn't the only one 144 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: that heard the screams, and his twelve year old brother 145 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: had to witness the horrifying scene as well, running towards her. 146 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: This afternoon, police tell me the owner of the dogs 147 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: is in Costy. A warrant request has yet to be filed, 148 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: and at last check two dogs were still being held 149 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: by animal control. The third was shot by a neighbor. 150 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, So one moment, that nine 151 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: year old girl having fun playing in this alleyway here, 152 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: the next she's being viciously attacked by dogs. When I'd 153 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: come out of my house, I heard all the screaming 154 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: and that I was aware that something bad had happened. 155 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: Deborah Golden says it was the worst scene she's ever seen. 156 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: I've seen the little girl flat on her back with 157 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: the bite marks and part of her neck kinging. The 158 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: nine year old was attacked by three pit bulls shortly 159 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: before four pm while playing in an alley near Central 160 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: Avenue in Smart Street. I started CPR and I hit 161 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: the dead, grab her neck and hold it. One man 162 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: who saw the attack quickly came to the young girl's aid, 163 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: trying to free her from the dog's mouth. I went 164 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: and grab a break and threw it right at the dogs. 165 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: They all ran in. I stood next to the girl 166 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: to make sure if she's okay. I yelled out for help. 167 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: Police say one of the dogs was shot a friend 168 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: of the owners. I was told that fired a shot 169 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: at the dog. This vicious and fatal attack is leaving 170 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: neighbors and police wondering why these dogs attacked ending this 171 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: young girl's life. Are you talking about a nine year 172 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: old girl who was just out there playing and now 173 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: she's not here. But I did not realize that they 174 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: will be doing this. They're not vicious dogs. They're really 175 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: nice dogs. They're gentle. I don't know what came over 176 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: to who and the hay just said they were gentle 177 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: and nice. They're not gentle and nice. They're killers. And 178 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: they stood over this nine year old little girl's body 179 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: and literally tore her neck out of her body. That 180 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: was w x y z Alan Campbell pitbulls peaceful. You know, 181 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten to leave. I page climb online 182 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter or Steve Lampley detective. But Penny 183 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: dovis fur. Why is it always pitbulls. A nine year 184 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: old little girl, a little girl just riding her bike 185 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: is now dead. Why is it always pitbulls and rockwallers. 186 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: It's not always rockwallers and pitbulls. It's just those are 187 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: the ones you hear about because those are the stories 188 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: that make the knees. But there are plenty of other 189 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: kinds of dogs that attack. And when you have more 190 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: than two dogs, you have dogs that get into this. 191 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: They got they're in a group now and they will 192 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: attack much more than if they're alone. And you said 193 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: there was the first incident. When that first incident occurred, 194 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: there should have been a ticket. They should have gone 195 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: to court. If these dogs were dangerous dogs, they should 196 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: have been ordered to be kept in a certain type 197 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: of environment where they could not get at WOULDA COULDA, shoulda. 198 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: The reality is pit bulls are still responsible for most 199 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: fatal attacks in the US, by far, killing two hundred 200 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: and eighty four people over a period of time, sixty 201 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: six percent of total dog attack fatalities. And that is 202 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: despite the breed of pit bulls accounting for just six 203 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: point five percent of the total dog population. I'm getting 204 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: that from Forbes. They're six point five percent of the 205 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: total dog population, but they are sixty six percent of 206 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: total fatalities. Now, when I brought home my pound puppy 207 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: Nitro Buddha bad debt Aka fat Boy, that's the name 208 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: that stuck my pound cat Centnamon and to believe it 209 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: or not, pound guinea pigs Chloe and Abbey Lord in Heaven. 210 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: Oh I heard from Penny Douglas. Fur was Dodson's attack, 211 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: Hiawa's attack. You know what they may, but they don't 212 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: kill as far as I know. LEVI page Crime online dog. Yes, 213 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: oh yes, hold on, docksins killed woman. I'll be glad 214 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: to send it to you twin in nineteen twenty eight. 215 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: No recently. And is that the only docks and murder 216 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: you know of? Well, docksins are small dogs. That's yes 217 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: or no, that's a yes or nogwash? Yeah, thank you, 218 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: thank you, Jason Osans. You could send that to me, Penny, 219 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: but I'm not buying it. Dude, a little and tiny. 220 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: They ain't jumping on a nine year old and going 221 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: They're not going for the first She probably got that 222 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: at the grocery store from that article. That always has Elvison, 223 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: an alien on front, Dockson's Attack, Gang of Wild Dots, 224 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: and Maze. Yeah, I'm magazine. The lady's name is Tracy Garcia, 225 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: as she was killed by seven Docksins outside her home 226 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, Nancy. Just to add to your statistics, another 227 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: thing that pitbulls make up is they make up a 228 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: huge part of the population of shelters in this country 229 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: because people think, Oh, I'm gonna get a pit bull 230 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna look like a badass and I'm gonna 231 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: walk around town. Did you actually just say ass on 232 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: the air? Did I mean if I could get my 233 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: hands around your neck? As much as I work with 234 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: a children, not to say they can't even say f 235 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: A art or g O s h oh no, no, no, 236 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: they can do that when they move away from home. 237 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: But here you jump up with your degree. I always 238 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: say children people that curs is because they don't have 239 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: a very big vocabulary and that's all they know how 240 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: to say. But I think I think badly you have 241 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: a doctorate. I think Penny would agree though, that not 242 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: only I mean, in addition to the horrific damage that 243 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: this does to people, this is horrible dog ownership. This 244 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: is horribly ears. If you love dogs, this is because 245 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: those dogs do need to be put there. Excuse me? 246 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: Can you cut his mind real quick? Because I love children? 247 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: I love children. You know the dog comes in sadly 248 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: a distant, distant fifth or sixth place in our family, Levi, page, 249 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: Can I just get the facts and I'll leave it 250 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: to doctor Brian Russell and Penny Douglas for to dcat out. Oh, 251 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: Jason Oceans is in the mix too. Go ahead, LEVI. 252 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: What happened, Well, just don't pick on German shepherds or childs. 253 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: Those are my breeds, but their next Well, this nine 254 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: year old little girl was out riding her bike, Nancy, 255 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: and she probably never would have thought that she would 256 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: end up dying in a pull of blood. And that's 257 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: exactly what happened. And the neighbors were throwing bricks at 258 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: these dogs. One neighbor shot one of the dogs and 259 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: killed it. Her father was screaming, my baby, my baby, 260 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: And in a horrific account, Deborah Golden, a neighbor that 261 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: lived nearby, she heard all this commotion. She walked out 262 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: there and witness this poor little girl. Emma Hernandez nearly decapitated, 263 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: I can barely say it, and laying in a pull 264 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: of blood. She was rushed to the hospital and unfortunately 265 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: she was pronounced dead. And now this thirty three year 266 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: old Pierre Cleveland is in big trouble. You know, I 267 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: can't believe people are whining because the dog owner has 268 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: been charged with a criminal offense. Take a listen to 269 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: w x y Z Matt Smith. Neighbors tell me there 270 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: had been complaints about the dogs in the past. We're 271 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: waiting to hear back from police on that front. But 272 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: right now, what's most important is what was lost. Every 273 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: parent would be proud of today. Family and friends come 274 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: and go from this makeshift memorial, just a short walk 275 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: from the Alliott Central and Smart where Emma's life was ended. 276 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: Some like this neighbor even showing up with stuffed animals, 277 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: bringing family members to tears or reminder that this is 278 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: a hurt that will linger for those who knew this 279 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: sweet girl. You know, you're talking about a nine year 280 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: old girl who was just out there playing and now 281 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: she's not here. As I said, the family just too 282 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: shaken up to talk on camera right now, but they 283 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: do need help, and that comes in the form of donations, 284 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: if possible, to help pay for the funeral expenses for 285 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: this unexpected tragedy involving little Emma. You know, I'm looking 286 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: at the stats right now, and this breed pit bull 287 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: is six point five percent of the total US dog 288 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: population and accounts for sixty six percent of total fatalities. 289 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: Second place Rottweiler forty five fatal attacks same time period. 290 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: German shepherd third with twenty. But all I can think 291 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: about is this beautiful little girl and what her last 292 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: moments on earth were like. I'm also thinking about the 293 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: fact that there had been previous incidents. Leavi Page, can 294 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: you tell me about the owner and what are his charges. 295 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: He is being charged with second degree murder, manslaughter and 296 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: having a day dangerous animal caused the death to another. 297 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: His bond was set at two million dollars. He has 298 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: no criminal history, and his lawyer is using that to 299 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: try to paint a sympathetic picture of him, the fact 300 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: that he has no criminal history. But wait a minute, 301 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: isn't it true Steve Lampley that there were previous incidents 302 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: where the neighbors begged him to do something about the 303 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: dogs and he did not. Just Nancy there were several 304 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: unadditioned what you mentioned earlier. These dogs, these same dogs 305 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: also killed I don't know how many numerous puppies in 306 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: Cleveland's on home. As I understand, so, animal control was called. 307 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: They tried to make contact, they didn't. I think in 308 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: that case, animal control dropped the ball because when they 309 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: didn't make contact, they dropped. They dropped in the efforts 310 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: to contact and correct the situation. But this is not 311 00:18:49,160 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: the first time these dogs have gotten out. Hi, guys. 312 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace here, a beautiful mom of two. In fact, 313 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: I call her a Reese Witherspoon look alike because in 314 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: a lot of pictures that's exactly who she looks like. 315 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: The mother of two beautiful little children, including an eight 316 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: year old little girl, is found dead in a bloody 317 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: bathtub a slip and fall, and her eight year old 318 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: daughter Anna is the one that found her this Saturday, 319 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: six o'clock Eastern, five Central on Oxygen in Justice with 320 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we investigate the death of Shelley Danishevsky because 321 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: I do not believe this was a slip and a fall, 322 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: and from what I can see, there has been a 323 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: grave injustice on many levels. Please join us in a 324 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: search for the truth. This Saturday, six pm Eastern, five 325 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: Central Injustice with Nancy Grace. Thanks guys, Crime Stories with 326 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. You know, in cases like this that are 327 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: so sad and so just horrific, people want to know more. 328 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: They want to know who owned the dogs, what kind 329 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: of person is he, what is his name, what does 330 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: he look like? But this case is all about Emma 331 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: and what happened to her. And the judge made that 332 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: crystal clear. Cartwell said, bond in the amount of two 333 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: million dollars cash notes percent, not early or administrative release. 334 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: Two million dollars. Yes, that is the bond set by 335 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: this judge for a thirty three year old Pierre Cleveland. 336 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: This during his video arrangement inside thirty six District Court. 337 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: Cleveland is who law enforcement points to as the person 338 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: responsible for ending the young life of nine year old 339 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: Emma Hernandez. They say it was his three dogs that 340 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: maulled the little girl to death in Southwest Detroit. His 341 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: attorney pleading to the court, I know this is a 342 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: serious charge for one he has absolutely no prior telany 343 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: history Lessoever, yet the Wayne County Project's Office has charged 344 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: Cleveland with second degree murder, dangerous animal causing death, and 345 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: in voluntary men's loss. You were hearing from of XYZ 346 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: reporter Andrea Aisen Guys in the last hours. Emma's family 347 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: gathers at a church on the city's west side to 348 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: say goodbye to a nine year old little girl. The 349 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: place was full of pink and purple flowers, Emma's favorite colors. 350 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: They decorated the entryway of the church doors. As people 351 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: stream in and out saying goodbye, church bells ringing to 352 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: be heard throughout the neighborhood. Every seat was full, long 353 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: pauses as people summon the strength to keep talking. It 354 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: was overwhelming the pain with a mother standing over a 355 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: tiny white casket just She had just come home from 356 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: a doctor's visit on Monday morning and was riding around 357 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: the block on her bike when she turned down an 358 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: alley near her home on Central Three pitbulls leaping over 359 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: a fence to attack her. These pitbulls withstood neighbors throwing 360 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: bricks or anything they could get their hands on to 361 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: try to stop them. Her dad gave her CPR and 362 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: rushed her to the hospital, but her neck was mortally wounded. 363 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: The Wayne County Medical Examiner says cod cause of death 364 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: a fracture to the cervical spine that means her neck 365 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: was broken. The attack was so horrific that counseling services 366 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: were offered to the emergency responders. The family so distraught, 367 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: but you could see it coming. Take a listen to 368 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: this and you will see how they feel very differently 369 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: on how the punishment should fit. Feel It's crown. Bennett 370 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: was harboring dogs. He knew to be vicious, he knew 371 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: to be aggressive. Bennett knew that a week prior to 372 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: his dogs killing and the Hernandez, one of his dogs 373 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: killed a puppy in his home and one of the 374 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: dogs killed multiple puppies. I just have a very brief 375 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: statement from the family. The family is just praying for 376 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: that precious child, Okay, and we think at this time 377 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: it would be inappropriate to answer any more questions involving this. Okay. Well, 378 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: I did ask him a question. I asked him what 379 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: he thought about that bond. He called it outrageous. What 380 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: would happened to Emma is outrageous that two million dollar bond. Okay, 381 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: back to you, Penny Douglas, fur I guess you're still 382 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: defending the dogs. Oh, absolutely, I don't. I think it's 383 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: the owner that's at fault, not the dogs. They should 384 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: have been properly restrained. I've got very big dogs. As 385 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: you already said, you don't see my dogs doing it. Yeah, 386 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: you're right, because you've got him under locking chain inside 387 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: that house. What happens to you they didn't have never 388 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: been under chain. I mean a chain on the front door. 389 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: A chain on the front door. Do you ever take 390 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: him out for a walk? Yes, absolutely, when in the 391 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: dead of nights so they can't attack anybody. No, they 392 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: don't attack other people. They're good dogs and they're with me. 393 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: They're very well trained. They've had other dogs run right 394 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: up to them and they do nothing. All I saw 395 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: his teeth when I came to your front door. Leavi 396 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: Page Crime online dot Com investigative reporter tell me about 397 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: the previous incidents that the whole neighborhood knew about. Is 398 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: it true somebody tried to burn them the owner's house down. Yeah. 399 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: People were very upset Nancy because his dogs had killed puppies, 400 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: they had been aggressive with people in the past. They'd 401 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: gotten lose because his fence was not properly secured, and 402 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: the victim in this case, Emma Hernandez, her own father 403 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: had had a confrontation with him before the attack about 404 00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: keeping his dogs secluded in that fence and curing the 405 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: fence so they could not get out. This is so 406 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: negligent on his partners. Explain to me the legal theory, 407 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: Jason Oceans, how they are charging the owner of the dogs. 408 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: How is that happening to Pierre Cleveland. Well, in different jurisdictions, 409 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: this would be criminally negligent homicide. Certainly, he knows from 410 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: previous encounters of his dogs having blood on their hands 411 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: with other animals. He knows about the condition. It's no 412 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: different than than driving your car and a you know, 413 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: eight ninety miles an hour down a side street and 414 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: you were just you know, joy riding. So he's aware 415 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: of that. These are not Dotson's the breed itself, and 416 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: they're big dogs. He's aware of this. That's enough for 417 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: a negligent homicide. Maybe some could question the amount of 418 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: bond because bond is to return to court and he's 419 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: got no priors. That's a different story whatsoever. But as 420 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: far is the negligent homicide, absolutely that's a straight up 421 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: that there's there's no dispute about that, Nancy. Doctor Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, 422 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: host of IDs hit series Fatal Vowels. This owner Pierre Cleveland, 423 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: apparently was warned over and over and over and did nothing. 424 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: In fact, there had been an argument with him just 425 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: the week before about the dogs. Yeah, there's a personality 426 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: type Nancy that I've seen in my own life that 427 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: actually sort of gets off on the intimidation factor that 428 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: their dogs create with other people. There's a guy who 429 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: lives here in my small town in Kansas who rescues 430 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: pitbulls who otherwise would be killed in shelters. Obviously, he 431 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: has a place in his heart for these dogs. But 432 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: what he'll do is, well, what he used to do 433 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: is he would walk them around town, multiple at a time, 434 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: and he would let them run at people, snarl at people. 435 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: He would walk past crowded patios where people were drinking 436 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: and eating, and he would let them go right up 437 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: to the fence and her and he would sit there 438 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: and smile at how people would get intimidated. They would 439 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: get up and move back. And one time he let 440 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: them run up on my dog, and I said to 441 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: him I said, you know, you obviously love these animals. 442 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: You live in a state where a lot of us 443 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: carry somebody's going to shoot one of these dogs if 444 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: you continue to let them do this. This is a salt. 445 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: This is putting people in reasonable fear for their own 446 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: lives and the lives of their pets. And he actually, 447 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: to his credit, every time I've ever seen him since 448 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: he crosses the street. But there's a personality type and 449 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: it sounds like this owner may be that that actually 450 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: gets off on the fact that they're scaring the hell 451 00:28:53,640 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: out of everybody. Clive Stories with Nancy Grace. The man 452 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: who owned the pit bulls who attacked the girl, Pierre Cleveland, 453 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: is now facing a number of charges that includes second 454 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: degree murder, involuntary manslaughter, and dangerous animal causing death. On Thursday, 455 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: we saw it all unfold in court. The court will 456 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: said bond in the maount of two million dollars past arte, 457 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: no tempers. Bennett knew that a week prior to his 458 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: dogs killing Emma Hernandez, one of his dogs killed a 459 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: puppy in his home. Nobody wants to see a child 460 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: getting killed, especially in such a brutal way. You are 461 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: hearing coverage from ABC Action News Channel seven around the 462 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: time of the funeral of this nine year old little 463 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: girl to Steve lamplay detective joining Steve, I don't understand 464 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: why the dogs were not taken away when the first 465 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: claim against the dogs occurred in my cave. In the 466 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: cases of the times I've been out on animal complainting, 467 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: God knows how many of those I've been on, we 468 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: would require that the dog owner remedy the situation then, 469 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: whether it's bringing the dogs inside the house, take it 470 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: off somewhere else, And that could vary by officer, that 471 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: could vary by state, They could vary by law. I 472 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: don't know the situation there, but I know in my case, 473 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: we required remedy right then. You know, the mother of 474 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: this little girl, Emma Hernandez, release a statement and she 475 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: wants this to be a wake up call to dangerous 476 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: dog owners and lawmakers after her daughter out riding a bike, 477 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: was knocked off, attacked by three pit bulls and murdered 478 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: straight out to Penny Douglas fur you know the owner 479 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: is now being charged with a degree murder. I understand, 480 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: And do you think that's right or wrong? He was wrong? 481 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: Nancy but so was law enforcement. They should have done 482 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: something with the first incident. You have to go to court, 483 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: and if your dog is found to be dangerous, they 484 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: not only have to be in a fench yard, they 485 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: have to be inside a fence, inside the fence, and 486 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: if they ever go out, they're required. I had a 487 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: question for you, Penny Douglas fur Um. You know I 488 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: made my children watch this movie. They grew to love them. 489 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: The Sinbad movies have you seen all of You actually 490 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: have to order the DVD and they always have some 491 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: crazy monsters, you know, like a seven headed hydra or 492 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: a sea monster and all the old sinbads and Jason 493 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: and the Argonaut and the Golden Fleece. Why would you 494 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: even want a monster behemoth dog that you have to 495 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: put inside offense, inside offense, inside offense, I mean why, Well, 496 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: that's whenever the dog has been declared dangerous. And the 497 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: problem is by then the person that owns the dog 498 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: is probably already attached to the dog. If not, they 499 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: put the dog down. I've had people that have put 500 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: the dog down, but you have to do that to 501 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: protect the public. If the dog is declared dame. Well, 502 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: this is what I know. I know that that condition 503 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: of this nine year old girl's body was so upsetting 504 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: that the mts had to get therapy. Take a listen 505 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: to NBC Forged your mont Terry. What happened in this 506 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: alley is senseless and even even the investcut is torn 507 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: by the crime scene. Sorry for me not to cry. 508 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: So it's tough, real tough. You know, you're talking about 509 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: a nine year old girl who was just out their 510 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: plan and now she's not here. Now, we did reach 511 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: out to this little gros family, and family members were 512 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: just simply too distraught to talk on camera. As for 513 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: the dogs owners, that owner, the young man is in 514 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: police custody as charges are pending. And when then the 515 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: last fifteen minutes fifteen to twenty minutes, the fire department 516 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: was at the home in question where those dogs escape from. 517 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 1: Apparently someone potentially through something flammable at this home, trying 518 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: to potentially set it on fire. But thankfully that house 519 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: did not catch fire. As you can see, some tensions 520 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: in this neighborhood and light of everything that happened here tonight. 521 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: Right now, we are waiting to see what happens in 522 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: court Levi page what comes next for this dog? This 523 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: monster Dog Devil Dog owner. Well, he has to go 524 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: through the legal proceedings, Nancy. He's lawyered up. He has 525 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: a lawyer, and the lawyer is really pushing home the 526 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: fact that this guy doesn't have a criminal record. But 527 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: after he got arrested, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, 528 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: neither did Scott Peterson. Jason Oceans neither did Drew Peterson. 529 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: Neither did Well, I just wanted to say, after he 530 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: got arrested, Nancy, he sent a text to a friend 531 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: to come get his marijuana plants out of it. Okay, 532 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: you know what, Um, I'm so glad you told me that, 533 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: Jason Oceans. That changes everything. No, no, they save the plants. 534 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: But uh uh it doesn't you know you you referenced 535 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: the Scott Peterson. Uh this clearly different relative uh to 536 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: the to the Peterson case. Uh you know, capital murder 537 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: versus you know, seemingly perhaps an overcharge but more appropriately 538 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: criminally named homicide. That that overcharge, Well, that he was 539 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: worn and Jackie Howard, with her apparent knowledge of the 540 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: drug trade, says that's why he had the dogs to 541 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: protect his pot. There you what about that Oceans? That 542 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: that would that would be that too? If if that 543 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: was the purpose of that, then that would be a factor, 544 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: that would be an aggravating factor. Then it wasn't just 545 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: criminally negligent, but there was purposefulness in having those wild animals. Uh, 546 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, on the unfettered access to the neighborhood. Uh 547 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: And for Penny. For Penny, I just want to say, 548 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: it didn't matter that the father had a confrontation. Uh 549 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: and and and the father should have known better than 550 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: to let his girl out. What about the rest of 551 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: the community that weren't aware of it. It's not just 552 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: the father's things. Who might have known that if everybody 553 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: else well that but you had referenced that, you had 554 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 1: referenced that earlier. That the father should have known better 555 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: for the daughter, Kate, that's the whole community too. That 556 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: man was responsible the safety of the community. Let me see, 557 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm telling about the story I read said the father 558 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: had gotten into a fight with him the day before 559 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: because he knew the dogs were getting out. If I 560 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: knew that there were a pack of dogs loose in 561 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: my neighborhood, I would not allow my child out until 562 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: the police help. The way Penny, he did not know 563 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: that they were loose. He knew that they had gotten 564 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: out in the past, that they had killed the puppy 565 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: inside the dog owners home, and he wanted the fence fortified, 566 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: was my understanding, Leavi Page. Yeah, you're absolutely correct. They 567 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: kept getting out of the fence and that's why he 568 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: had the confrontation with him about But even if the 569 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: dogs were roaming out, he's not to blame for his 570 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: daughter dying. Guys, we wait as justice unfolds for the 571 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: dog owner, thirty three year old Pierre Cleveland, and right 572 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: now my thoughts with the family of nine year old 573 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: Emma Nancy Grace's crime story signing off goodbye friend,