WEBVTT - Jets-Bills Game Preview (12/6)

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<v Speaker 1>The game is over New York World. You play to

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<v Speaker 1>win the game. He's got a lost Jet lockdown. You're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the Official New York Jets podcast, a Jets

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty production. What's up, everybody? Thanks for downloading the

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<v Speaker 1>Official Jets podcast. He A, it's a little chilly up

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<v Speaker 1>here in the Northeast. When we went to Nashville, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a beautiful day. It was about seventy and Sonny

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<v Speaker 1>announced chili. It's winter greens. I know it. It's winter greens.

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<v Speaker 1>And as fans will soon find out, during my interview

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<v Speaker 1>with Chris Brown and Buffalo Bills dot Com, he told

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<v Speaker 1>me that there is a little bit of white stuff

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<v Speaker 1>for waiting us in then six. Yeah, So basically, e

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<v Speaker 1>A spoke to Chris Brown of Buffalo Bills dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see what he had to say. What did

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<v Speaker 1>Chris have to say? Well, what did you guys hit on?

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<v Speaker 1>I figured that you guys on the quarterback? I talked

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about the quarterbacks. Actually, um, you know, typically

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<v Speaker 1>we're not promoting a ton of content outside the Jets

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<v Speaker 1>because we have so many miles to feed here. But

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<v Speaker 1>Chris actually asked me a series of questions about Sam Donald,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a few questions about Josh Allen because he

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<v Speaker 1>is writing a story this week where he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about both these guys potentially facing off for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time in their NFL careers. As we tape right now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Wednesday morning. Donald was limited at practice, didn't play

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<v Speaker 1>last week. Let's see if they can ramp them up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit today. UH, have him shake off some

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<v Speaker 1>of that rust and maybe I'll be ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's how it started this week with me and

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<v Speaker 1>Brownie and I said, hey, can you come on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of my questions were focused on the freak who

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<v Speaker 1>is Josh Allen, and also a little bit about a

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<v Speaker 1>potential matchup of Donald going against a very good Buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>Bills defense. Back in April, when Sam Donald was drafted

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<v Speaker 1>third overall and Josh Allen was drafted seventh overall, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>thought that this was going to be the matchup of

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<v Speaker 1>the a f C East for the years to come,

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<v Speaker 1>the post Brady era, and they didn't play against each

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<v Speaker 1>other in Week ten. None of those guys played in

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<v Speaker 1>Week ten. Josh Allen was still dealing with an elbow injury.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Barkley played in his place, Josh McCown. His first

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<v Speaker 1>start of the season came against the Buffalo Bills because

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Donald had strained his right foot the week before

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<v Speaker 1>in Week nine. So if these two guys play Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>in Buffalo in the seven one six, the home of

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<v Speaker 1>the A, what are you expecting out of these two guys?

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<v Speaker 1>And on from a macro level is this I have

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine Jets and Bills fans are excited about this

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<v Speaker 1>potential matchup for the years to come. Well, listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>think over the last few weeks, I think if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a Jets fan, uh, you want your team to win.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know a lot of people the other end

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<v Speaker 1>of the spectrum are thinking about the draft and I

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<v Speaker 1>get that too. Listen, we we can't completely ignore that,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you are a fan, because you definitely want

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<v Speaker 1>the top overall pick, because that means you would have

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<v Speaker 1>the choice of the most talented guys in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not the way you think inside an organization.

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<v Speaker 1>But you want to see Sam Donald play. He hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>played more than a month, and that's tough if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a fan. Just like the Bills went through something similar

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<v Speaker 1>where you mentioned Alan strained elbow, so he was out

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<v Speaker 1>of the lineup for three or four weeks. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you want both these guys on the field because these

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<v Speaker 1>guys are your respective futures. I mean, I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>both big time talents. I told you this before the draft,

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<v Speaker 1>and I went back and forth on Allen for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But by the time we spoke to a lot of people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if I if my memory serves me correctly, once you

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<v Speaker 1>came back from the owners meetings, you are in. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, these were my top two in the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eighteen draft class, and nothing that has been

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<v Speaker 1>done this season has changed my mind. I know Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Donald's leading the NFL and interceptions and he hasn't played

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<v Speaker 1>more than a month. I know Josh Allen his accuracy um.

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<v Speaker 1>He continues to come up because people are talking about

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<v Speaker 1>he's completing what fifty of his passes and things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's got some playground um to his game. But

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<v Speaker 1>I like both of these kids, and I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be very good players. I'm very interested to see

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<v Speaker 1>how Sam Donald comes back from his time away from

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<v Speaker 1>the starting spot, because you talked about Josh Allen, and

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<v Speaker 1>you see what he did since coming back from his injury,

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<v Speaker 1>and regardless of the result of the games, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like Josh Allen has been making more plays and last

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<v Speaker 1>week you look at it, he ran for a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five yards on nine carries. I'm just curious to

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<v Speaker 1>see how much the game slows down for Sam Donald

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<v Speaker 1>after coming back from injury, after watching Josh mccount operate

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<v Speaker 1>the offense, not only operate the offense and on game day,

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<v Speaker 1>but in practice and how he goes about a game

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<v Speaker 1>week as the starting quarterback for the team. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very excited to see Donald play because we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it numerous times that any reps a rookie gets are

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<v Speaker 1>important reps because you start to develop quicker, you start

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<v Speaker 1>to learn a little faster, and maybe maybe you never know,

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<v Speaker 1>this time away will really expedite Donald's learning curve greens.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a quarterback. I hope you know that by now,

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<v Speaker 1>but you could watching the last time Donald's out there

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<v Speaker 1>in the field Miami, his feet and his eyes were off.

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<v Speaker 1>If you just watched the film, his feet weren't where

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<v Speaker 1>they needed to be, and he probably had his worst

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<v Speaker 1>performance of his rookie season. And that's not a knock

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<v Speaker 1>on Donald. I expected ups and downs, but you were

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<v Speaker 1>seeing him hit a little roadblock in the season. He

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<v Speaker 1>had struggled the previous three games. I would mention though,

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<v Speaker 1>that McCown, the consummate pro, the consummate vet who knows

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<v Speaker 1>this offense inside it out, has come on the field

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<v Speaker 1>the last three games and the Jets offense hasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>changed too much. That maybe the turnovers haven't been as

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<v Speaker 1>high because I think Donald had seven interceptions in the

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<v Speaker 1>three games prior. He had four in his last meeting

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<v Speaker 1>in week now. Yeah, yeah, against Miami, but he also

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<v Speaker 1>had I think it was three against Minnesota. You can

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<v Speaker 1>correct me if I'm wrong. He didn't have any against

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<v Speaker 1>the Bear. I thought it was. Yeah, it could have

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<v Speaker 1>been definitely too. So here here's my deal, though, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the Jets offensive struggles that can't not be blamed

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<v Speaker 1>on Sam Donald alone because we saw Josh McCown come

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<v Speaker 1>out there the last couple of weeks and again, not

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<v Speaker 1>a knock and McCown. It's eleven guys as we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>because the Jets easily could have beat the Tennessee Titans.

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<v Speaker 1>Not easily, we're in position to beat the Tennessee Titans,

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<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't get anything going inside the red zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Zero three inside the red zone, Jason Meyer is a

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<v Speaker 1>great game, but you gotta finish inside the twenty. The

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<v Speaker 1>one encouraging sign offensively I thought was Jets rushed the

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<v Speaker 1>ball for what one fifty six and four point seven

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<v Speaker 1>yards to carry Jonathan Harrison playing center again, Dacota Dozer

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<v Speaker 1>stepped up at left guard. I like that. Uh, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the Jets can continue that path as far as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they having that balance, they got it going on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, you know Donald, long, long story short, Donald

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<v Speaker 1>has unable to now take a step back, like you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>because he was struggling at the point watch at the

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<v Speaker 1>point he went down watch Josh McCown um. Also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a different perspective from being on the sideline

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<v Speaker 1>because you mentioned Allen. I think Allen has played better

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<v Speaker 1>since he was hurt and the Bill signed Derrick Anderson.

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<v Speaker 1>I think probably helped him a little bit. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to make any excuses for this Jets offense, but

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that if Sam Donald starts Sunday against

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<v Speaker 1>the Bills, I think this will be the healthiest offense

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<v Speaker 1>offensive unit that he's played within a while. When you

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<v Speaker 1>consider the bye week playing in and Quincy Noon were

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<v Speaker 1>getting fully healthy. Quincy, Robbie, and Jermaine Curse all played

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<v Speaker 1>in Week nine against the Dolphins. But remember Robbie then

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<v Speaker 1>missed the following week against the Hills, so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think he was fully healthy. And then you consider that

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<v Speaker 1>Isaiah Roll I think had his best game in a

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<v Speaker 1>long time against Tennessee Titans. Then you factor an Eli McGuire,

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<v Speaker 1>You're factoring all these guys. It makes me a little

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<v Speaker 1>excited because I think Donald will have the fullest healthy

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<v Speaker 1>arsenal at his disposing in a long time. If he

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<v Speaker 1>gets the starts on that, the Bills are really going

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<v Speaker 1>to challenge you. That's a good defensive football team. Their

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<v Speaker 1>offense is not player playoff caliber, their defense certainly is

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<v Speaker 1>their number one team in terms of past defense in

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<v Speaker 1>the National Football League. The Jets have a great safety,

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<v Speaker 1>a budding star in Jamal Adams. This safety pair that

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<v Speaker 1>the Bills have Mica High Jordan player very good. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna throw out his own at you. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of people point that Donald struggled against

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<v Speaker 1>the zone as rookie season. Well, maybe that's what the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers indicate. I also watched Donald had the best game

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<v Speaker 1>of his NFL career against the Indianapolis Colts zone defense,

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<v Speaker 1>when he completed eight percent of his passes. That was

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<v Speaker 1>his best game when the team was storing. All his

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<v Speaker 1>zone coverage is at him. But this Buffalo defense, it's nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't give up a lot of yards greens. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's gonna be another forty one to ten

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<v Speaker 1>a fair another one side of affair. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>will be a close game in Buffalo. Yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 1>think that the last time these two teams met again,

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<v Speaker 1>all players say this was the only time in the

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<v Speaker 1>season that the Jets really got smacked and it was unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>It rained, it poured, Everything went the wrong way for

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<v Speaker 1>the Jets that day. And I don't think that will

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<v Speaker 1>be the case in Buffalo this week. But we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the Bills more in a bit, But I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to hear from the man in the seven

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<v Speaker 1>one six Chris Brown of Buffalo Bills dot Com. Alright, Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta start with Josh Allen and what he did

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<v Speaker 1>against the Miami Dolphins. How big of a step forward

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<v Speaker 1>was that last week for the Wyomi product who the

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<v Speaker 1>Bills hope is the franchise passer. Yeah, I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>still some some work to be done by him because

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<v Speaker 1>he still doesn't always trust what he's seeing from coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, teams are still throwing curveballs at him. But

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<v Speaker 1>he is a dynamic, unique physical talent um who can

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<v Speaker 1>do with his feet as well as with his legs.

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<v Speaker 1>The encouraging thing about when he does take off and

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<v Speaker 1>run is he has become more judicious and how he's

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<v Speaker 1>finishing his runs now, he's not taking hits fighting for

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<v Speaker 1>extra yard. It he's getting out of bounds or he's sliding.

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<v Speaker 1>The interesting thing about the game last week against Miami

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<v Speaker 1>is the Dolphins did not have a linebacker who was

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<v Speaker 1>fast enough to spy him. Uh. They put Kiko Alonso

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<v Speaker 1>on him as a spy, and he was not enough

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<v Speaker 1>to keep up with him so that nobody could run

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<v Speaker 1>with him. Because he is so deceptively fast for a

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<v Speaker 1>big guy at six ft five, So he was just

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<v Speaker 1>he could run whenever he wanted to. He could have

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<v Speaker 1>run for over two hundred yards in that game if

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to. He finished with one thirty five on

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<v Speaker 1>just nine carries. I mean he had three carries for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five yards or more. When he gets through the

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<v Speaker 1>second level and all the TVs have their back turn. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know they want him to progress as a pastor naturally,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he's taking incremental steps there. He's starting

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<v Speaker 1>to develop a nice rapport with Za Jones, the second receiver,

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<v Speaker 1>second year receiver who works out of the slot. Um

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<v Speaker 1>still not connecting as much as he wants to on

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<v Speaker 1>those deep shots, but you know they're coming here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really just think it's a matter of time

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<v Speaker 1>for him. What do you think about this week's matchup?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna spend most of our time here today

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<v Speaker 1>Brownie talking about the quarterbacks. But in terms of Lan

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<v Speaker 1>when he faces the Jets defense, you mentioned a lon

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<v Speaker 1>So in Miami attempting to spy with him. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think the Jets might opt for a similar plan but

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<v Speaker 1>with a faster guy. In terms of Darren Lee, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Jets have a better answer quite Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Darrenly, I think you're in a four or

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<v Speaker 1>four or three at the combine. Uh, that's more the

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<v Speaker 1>type of linebacker you need to shadow him, uh and

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<v Speaker 1>at least corral him or cut him off. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if if Keiko Alonso did not take the perfect angle,

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<v Speaker 1>he was flat out screwed. Um. With Josh coming at

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<v Speaker 1>him and he was making him look silly out there

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<v Speaker 1>trying to run him down, he just couldn't do it. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a couple of plays late in the game

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<v Speaker 1>where they actually had Manka Fitzpatrick spying him because because

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<v Speaker 1>Kiko couldn't keep up with him and Manka, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>while he is a big safety, he's not big in

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<v Speaker 1>comparison to Alan. So you really better have a linebacker

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<v Speaker 1>who can run, who's big enough to bring him down.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just two weeks ago against Jacksonville, Josh Allen

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<v Speaker 1>on a quarterback draw from the fourteen yard line, stiffed

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<v Speaker 1>armed defensive and Yannick in Gokway knocked him to the

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<v Speaker 1>ground and then ran over a linebacker to dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the end zone for a touchdown on a QB draw play. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just such a big human being. I mean, he's

0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Cam Newton's side, that's how big you um. And I

0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.600
<v Speaker 1>don't think a lot of people realize that until they

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<v Speaker 1>see him in person and then they're like, holy cow,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a giant and oh, by the way, he can run. Um,

0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.320
<v Speaker 1>you know. But again, I think everybody wants to see

0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.560
<v Speaker 1>him develop more as a passer, and you know, I

0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.920
<v Speaker 1>think he's finally in the handle on this offense. I mean,

0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.040
<v Speaker 1>he's missed. He missed three games because of the elbow injury,

0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, much like Sam Donald's been sidelined. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think he really benefited from that watching a veteran like

0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Derrick Anderson and even Matt Barkley run walked through in practice,

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<v Speaker 1>run first team in practice. How they watch and digest

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<v Speaker 1>film and you know, get ready for the upcoming opponent.

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<v Speaker 1>I think seeing a veteran doing it really helped him

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<v Speaker 1>in the time that he was sidelined, and so when

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<v Speaker 1>he did get back into the lineup, I think he

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<v Speaker 1>was that much more prepared because he had a better

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<v Speaker 1>means of procedure in getting ready for games. How's he

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<v Speaker 1>developing in terms of being that passer inside the pocket?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, you think it's a matter of time

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<v Speaker 1>before he hits on some of these deep ones. But

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<v Speaker 1>the knock on Allen coming out of Wyoming, as we

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<v Speaker 1>know very well, was he wasn't an accurate thrower of

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<v Speaker 1>the football. There are a lot of different takes on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides of that. You know that more than anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>What have you thought about him, not just the arm strength,

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<v Speaker 1>but making those throws that you have to each Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>in the National Football League. Yeah, I mean he's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>got the armed talent to do it. But yes, accuracy

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<v Speaker 1>and ball location is a big deal. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>improved with his ball location. He's worked for a countless

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<v Speaker 1>number of hours with quarterbacks coach David Culley on his base.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they tied his accuracy issues too, inconsistency with

0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.920
<v Speaker 1>his feet in terms of base and balance, and so

0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.120
<v Speaker 1>they've worked a lot on his feet, uh, to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure he's got his feet underneath him when he delivers

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<v Speaker 1>the football. Obviously, they are going to be improvisational plays

0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.680
<v Speaker 1>where there is not time to do that, um, But

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<v Speaker 1>in most cases when he can set up in the

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<v Speaker 1>pocket or even step up in the pocket, they are

0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.720
<v Speaker 1>drilling him on a firm base. So his accuracy with

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<v Speaker 1>his arm follows, and we've seen improvements in that area. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>still not where they wanted to be, but it's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>better than it looked his last year of wyoming in college. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back to April, and I know you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the draft grades, but do you think the Bills

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<v Speaker 1>had interest in Sam Donald as well? Obviously they had

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<v Speaker 1>to move up just to get to number seven, And

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<v Speaker 1>to Josh Ellen, it's hard to really entertain who they

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<v Speaker 1>like the most. They had all of those guys in

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<v Speaker 1>for personal visits. Sean McDermott is huge on having guys

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<v Speaker 1>that he says has the Bills d n A. And

0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.840
<v Speaker 1>what he means by that is guys who are team first,

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<v Speaker 1>grinder type guys that you don't have to wonder what

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get from them on week one or Week seventeen,

0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.960
<v Speaker 1>no matter what your one lost record is, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get the same work ethic from those guys every single day.

0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Those are the people he wants in the building. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's why a guy like Kelvin Benjamin was just released

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<v Speaker 1>by the team this afternoon, a guy whose effort was

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<v Speaker 1>questioned from time to time by fans and by teammates,

0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.479
<v Speaker 1>wasn't pulling the rope with everybody else in the same way. Uh,

0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.960
<v Speaker 1>They gave him every opportunity to change his tune. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't happen, and you know he's released this week, you know,

0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and God off this roster because younger receivers are stepping up.

0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Those are the kinds of people he wants on his roster.

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<v Speaker 1>Work ethic guys, and if you're not that guy, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be here. Josh Allen passed that test, and

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<v Speaker 1>I believe I don't know this for sure, but I

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<v Speaker 1>believe Sam Donald got check marks in those boxes as well.

0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, some of the other guys not sure. I

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<v Speaker 1>know Josh Rosen had some personality questions coming out. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he checked all those boxes. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he would have been on their

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<v Speaker 1>list per se, but I believe Donald was. If Donald

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<v Speaker 1>indeed gets the ball the Sunday afternoon, as we're all

0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.640
<v Speaker 1>anticipating VI his tod Bowl. So last week he could

0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.360
<v Speaker 1>have played, but he just wanted to get him more reps.

0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.720
<v Speaker 1>And by Sunday it will be more than a month

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<v Speaker 1>since we've seen Donald in action. What kind of challenges

0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:56.159
<v Speaker 1>will this Bill's defense present him? Because Chris, I know

0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.240
<v Speaker 1>the Bills are just four and eight, but that defense

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<v Speaker 1>is playing in at a playoff caliber I would say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean number two in the league overall, and then

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<v Speaker 1>number one against the past. I mean, do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about a formidable challenge for the Jets passing game,

0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it's the Bills pass defense. I mean, the last four

0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.240
<v Speaker 1>opponents in a row have not put together a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty net passing yards against the Bills. And it's

0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:25.480
<v Speaker 1>not because they've been running all over them. Uh you know, Jacksonville.

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<v Speaker 1>You could say, Okay, they're a running team, They're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna throw it a lot anyway. You could understand why

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<v Speaker 1>they might not get to a hundred and fifty net

0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.760
<v Speaker 1>passing yards. But you know last week against the Dolphins,

0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.359
<v Speaker 1>yes and Nicol and dime passing attack, but they had

0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.400
<v Speaker 1>a hundred fifteen net passing yards. They've just really been

0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.520
<v Speaker 1>locking it down on the back end, and their pass

0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:49.640
<v Speaker 1>rush is improved from what it was last year. Leslie

0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Fraser has done a good job of scheming new wrinkles

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<v Speaker 1>in each and every week with the pass rush. They

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<v Speaker 1>have a new package this year with their free agent

0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.960
<v Speaker 1>signing Raphael Bush, who is a backup safety, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>been so good at such a great training camp that

0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:06.600
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to get him on the field. So they

0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.160
<v Speaker 1>have this three safety package, which is kind of gut

0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Bush is a hybrid linebacker and he was blitzing off

0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the ends last week in a new wrinkle that really

0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.679
<v Speaker 1>had the Dolphins crossed up. Uh. So, you know, with

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<v Speaker 1>all of that role together, you know, and two safeties

0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.520
<v Speaker 1>who can disguise coverage with the best of them. I mean,

0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Bill Belichick got a conference call last year, could not

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<v Speaker 1>say enough about Micah Hyde and Jordan poy Are saying

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<v Speaker 1>what they do before the snap most teams cannot do.

0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.800
<v Speaker 1>They literally wait until the absolute last second before they

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<v Speaker 1>get it. He says. Sometimes you snap the ball, they're

0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.880
<v Speaker 1>out of position. Um, but somehow they get to their

0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.600
<v Speaker 1>spots and oh, it's this look that you weren't expecting

0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.800
<v Speaker 1>because they hide it for they hold their cards to

0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:54.200
<v Speaker 1>the vest for so long that they make it even

0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>difficult sometimes for Tom Brady to discern what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So for a rookie like Sam Donald, you know, especially

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<v Speaker 1>first game back, it's going to be a challenge. Rightfully

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<v Speaker 1>saw them top narrative this weekend. Will be the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in their careers where it appears Josh Allen and

0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Sam Donald will go toe to toe. But how about

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<v Speaker 1>the L s U products taken in the first round

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:22.240
<v Speaker 1>last year by these respective teams. Jamal Adams goes number

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<v Speaker 1>six overall and then the Bills traded back and they

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<v Speaker 1>pick up a guy trade Davis White at both L

0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.280
<v Speaker 1>s U products. What do you think about both of

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<v Speaker 1>those guys, because you've seen Adams a number of times

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<v Speaker 1>so far early in his career as well. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're cornerstone defensive players for their respective clubs.

0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's any question about that. I think

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Adams is more of a true leader type, at least

0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.520
<v Speaker 1>from what I've heard and seen from him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so not only a dynamic player at the safety spot,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know he's probably I know, I believe he's

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<v Speaker 1>the number one blitzer also, I mean he is their

0:21:55.760 --> 0:22:00.440
<v Speaker 1>blitz back its essentially. And White, you know, is a dynamic,

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<v Speaker 1>lockdown corner. Not quite the vocal leader um that maybe

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Adams is, but you know that nose to the grindstone,

0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:13.119
<v Speaker 1>loves the work every day, genuinely loves playing and wants

0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:16.040
<v Speaker 1>to be the best. I mean, Trudeavias White has a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of a Hall of Fame gold jacket above his locker,

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<v Speaker 1>just to kind of remind himself every day of where

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to end up when his career is over.

0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.359
<v Speaker 1>I know Adams kind of grinds the same way. There

0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.240
<v Speaker 1>are two players that look like they're cut from the

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<v Speaker 1>same cloth, and I think everybody's talking about Donald and

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<v Speaker 1>Allen facing each other for the next ten years, hopefully

0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:37.800
<v Speaker 1>if all goes well for both clubs. I think those

0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:41.359
<v Speaker 1>two guys are ten year players on these teams as well. Well. Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to coming back home. And thanks so

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.679
<v Speaker 1>much for coming on the podcast this week. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got some snow ready for you now. I don't

0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.960
<v Speaker 1>know if it'll be here on the weekend, but maybe

0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:57.959
<v Speaker 1>i'll throw a shovel in your hand. Thanks buddy. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that was Chris Brown. Many thanks to Chris, and Yeah,

0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:04.479
<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting because we get so wrapped up

0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.800
<v Speaker 1>in Alan and Donald and Alan and Donald, we forget

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.199
<v Speaker 1>that there's actually two great friends on the opposite sides

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 1>of the ball here in Jamal Adams and Tradevious White

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 1>seen first round picked for the Jets and Bills, respectively,

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.200
<v Speaker 1>And both of those guys we know about Jamal Adams

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<v Speaker 1>this year one of the stars for the Jets. Well,

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Trenevis White equally one of the stars for that Bill's defense. Yeah,

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Brownie said, they just go about their business different ways.

0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, Jamal's the vocal He's becoming the vocal leader

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.320
<v Speaker 1>inside that locker room where tree. Davious White is a

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:42.120
<v Speaker 1>shutdown corner. I like that. You know, he's got uh

0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 1>photos of Hall of Fame jacket inside his locker and

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.800
<v Speaker 1>things like and things like that. So he was more

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 1>of low key, not a big talker. But he's a

0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 1>very good player. And I remember asking Tomorrow after he

0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.800
<v Speaker 1>got drafted about Tradevius White, and he said, you know,

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:01.439
<v Speaker 1>that's my dog and that's my guy, and uh, those

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:06.159
<v Speaker 1>two guys are a very good defensive players. And I

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 1>think they both should be Pro Bowl bound this year

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 1>because Davious White he's a lockdown guy. He's he's just

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the top five corner in the league. Right now, What

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.280
<v Speaker 1>a what a college secondary that was. I know, it's

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>almost like you're thinking about it like it's like that

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the wide receiver group l s U and a couple

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:29.399
<v Speaker 1>of years ago with Backham and Landry, right, It's crazy

0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:31.200
<v Speaker 1>when you think about all the talent that L. S

0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:34.120
<v Speaker 1>US produced over the year, and of course Morris Clayborne

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>was a part of that back in the day, Patrick

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Peterson back in the day. I mean, the list goes

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.400
<v Speaker 1>on and on, Tyron Matthew back in the day, so

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>that the L. S U bloodline runs deep in the NFL,

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt about it. Yeah, I think that's just

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 1>a storyline that I'm glad you brought it up because

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we talked about it with Brownie. Is that rightfully?

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:55.639
<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna talk about the quarterbacks a lot this week,

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<v Speaker 1>but Adams and White are going to be fixed on

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 1>both of these teams, on these defenses for a long time.

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk a little bit more about Josh

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Allen because we know about the rocket arms, the ad

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 1>R bombs, that he can throw, the quick release that

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:15.879
<v Speaker 1>we've seen in the multiple press box TVs. But I

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 1>don't think what people realize, and Chris Brown mentioned this

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>that Josh Allen is huge and he's Cam Newton size,

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:27.680
<v Speaker 1>which means that he's an athletic freak and he'll put

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you in the ground if you're in his way. The

0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 1>comparison you've heard a lot for Josh you know, has

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:38.479
<v Speaker 1>been Ben Roethlisberger, and Chris has said this a lot

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<v Speaker 1>over the past couple of weeks. He said, like you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>the true comparison is Cam Newton, because he's so big,

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<v Speaker 1>he's so agile, he's fast, he's literally fast, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had Kikollon so out of these shoes a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>times last week because the Dolphins tried to spy him. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Bart Scott, which you can watch Jets flight

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<v Speaker 1>playing eleven thirty am CBS Sunday morning, about how do

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<v Speaker 1>you defend this guy you spy him? He said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta fource some left. It's interesting. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>plays we went over, which you have, Penny, you saw

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<v Speaker 1>Allen being rolled left, thrown across his body with a

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<v Speaker 1>strike unbelievable accuracy twenty three yards down the field when

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<v Speaker 1>he was going left. So um. The other thing is

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<v Speaker 1>do you spire him? The Jets might have that guy

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<v Speaker 1>and Darren Lee, And that's what Chris Brown said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>listen Lee. As far as being athletic, keego Lions will

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<v Speaker 1>run and hit linebacker and he's a good player. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he is quite the speed is lee.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very interested in this ball game and the elements too,

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<v Speaker 1>because if it is though, will be the first time

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<v Speaker 1>probably Donald's ever played in a game. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>played in the snow. I think he talked about Utah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that he's tame but not positive. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely a cold. And the other thing that Donald

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to gain experience with, it's just playing

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<v Speaker 1>in one of the rowdiest environments. And I know both

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<v Speaker 1>these teams are going to playoffs, and both these teams

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna likely be top ten picks, but uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>environment will be quite rowdy, and this is a good

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<v Speaker 1>defense and be a great challenge for him and um

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<v Speaker 1>I anticipate that whole play a lot better than the

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<v Speaker 1>last time we saw him. But the Justice gotta figure

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<v Speaker 1>it out offensively right now. It's it's tough going right now.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at the numbers, and it's just not

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<v Speaker 1>just stats. I think it was so frustrating for them

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<v Speaker 1>to a man that just couldn't finish, and he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>finish in the red zone. But there's the play late

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<v Speaker 1>where you try to run the ball to Cannon. One

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<v Speaker 1>first down probably clinches that game. Without a doubt, and

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<v Speaker 1>and that locker room was you know, there were few men,

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<v Speaker 1>as top Bowls would say, and this is big time adversity, man,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're talking about professionals six game losing streak. They

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<v Speaker 1>played hard in Tennessee. Again here we go. No moral victories,

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<v Speaker 1>no participation trophies or anything like that, but they felt

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<v Speaker 1>like they let one get away, and it's been so long.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that's a lot of pent up anger

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I agree. I think that being the locker

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<v Speaker 1>room after the game, it was almost fumid in a

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<v Speaker 1>disbelief kind of way. I talked to Jonathan Harrison after

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<v Speaker 1>the game, and he didn't really have answers for anything.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't fully digest. I don't think norc a lot

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>of the players fully digest what had just happened, because

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<v Speaker 1>the Jets had the lead until there were forty two

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<v Speaker 1>seconds left in the game. Yeah, fifty eight minutes, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Todd Bowl said that the one's gonna stick with

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<v Speaker 1>him for the rest of his life. But how quickly

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<v Speaker 1>can you turn the page? Because again I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a double whammy because it's really testing your professional pride.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Number one Buffalo came in your house and give

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<v Speaker 1>you a beat down. They really did it, pushed you

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<v Speaker 1>around in the trenches. Secondly, is Tennessee your latest game?

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<v Speaker 1>You had one within your grasp and you couldn't finish.

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<v Speaker 1>So how are you gonna respond? I guess we'll find

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<v Speaker 1>out Sunday, Yes we will. Do you have any anything

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<v Speaker 1>else here? Before we close up, Brownie said, bring your

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<v Speaker 1>shovels Okay, that's fair, spoken like a true guy from

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<v Speaker 1>the seven six. We will bring the shovel to Buffalo again,

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<v Speaker 1>Jets Bill Sunday, one pm. Perhaps we shall see the

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<v Speaker 1>first meeting of Josh Allen and Sam Donald, two best

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<v Speaker 1>friends that anyone could have. That's all we have here

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<v Speaker 1>on the Official Jets Podcast. Thanks for tuning in, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see you next week of eight Doctors on actors

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<v Speaker 1>and a