WEBVTT - Aging is Timeless w/ Tina Knowles-Lawson 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:13.520 What's up, everybody. I'm Gammy and this is positively Gamed. 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.880 As you all know, I retired from nursing five years 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.080 ago to join Jada and Willow as a co host 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.360 of Red Table Talk. Actually, each time that I have 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.400 retired from nursing, it's been because of Jada. So thank 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:31.920 you Jada. So many of my friends have also changed 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:36.320 careers or continue to have successful careers later in life, 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.640 and today's guest is no exception, as she continues to 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.040 partake in a variety of projects and there seems to 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.920 be no end in sight for her. I am so 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:51.239 excited to have Tina Knows Loss and join me on 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:56.840 today's episodes. So let's go. Tina Knows Lawson is a 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:04.600 fashion designer, entrepreneur, philand entropist, talk show host, author, mother, grandmother, 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:10.720 and actress. Hey, Tina, welcome to Positively gam I'm so 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.240 excited to have you on. So excited. Well, I'm excited 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.360 to be here. You know, I follow all of your 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.959 your Instagram and see all your thanks going on, and 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.240 you remind me of me. Okay, so it's good to 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:28.559 be here. Awesome. We all know you are the mother 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.560 of two beautiful and talented daughters, Beyonce and Salange. But 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.640 this show is about you. I want to talk about you. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:41.120 I read that you were a makeup artist at nineteen 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.240 years old and later opened up your own hair salon 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.880 in Houston, all before designing the costumes for your daughter's group, 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:53.960 Destiny's Child. So already that's like three somewhat related careers 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:58.640 early on, before you even move into the realm of entertainment. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.720 And you know, like for me, a lot of people 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.560 grow up with this goal from their parents to just 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.080 go to school, graduate from high school, and get a job. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.080 Graduate from college and get a job. And there's no 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.000 right or wrong about that, no judgment, but a job 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.440 is not a career. And it seems like, just like 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:24.799 right out the gate, you had this entrepreneurial spirit. Where 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:29.880 did that come from? I think my entrepreneurial came from 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.919 my parents. My mother. Actually, my mother was a seamstress. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.880 She was a stay at home mom. I mean, I thought, oh, 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.520 my mom didn't work, But as I got older, I 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:44.360 realized that she really worked, as she worked hard and 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.920 that was a career even though she took in sewing 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.000 and so she was a great designer and she made 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:55.160 these beautiful beated jackets for women in Galveston and evening 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.520 gowns and that type of thing. She was a beater 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.120 so and a seamstress. So I got it from her 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.320 figuring out how to make a Yeah, and so did 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.280 she teach you how to sell? Because I know my 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.920 mother taught us how to soul when I used to 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.560 make a lot of my own clothes too. I never 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.280 designed them, I used patterns, but we did. So we 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.480 made a lot of our own clothes because you picked 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:23.680 out the fabrics and put your own touch right. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.120 she taught us all how to sew. My nephew was 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.920 my best friend, Johnny, and she taught he and I 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.920 how to sew when we were like maybe ten years old. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:33.680 And I was in a singing group when I was 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.560 in high school. And uh, my mother and I made 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.720 all the costume. Look we dressed better than we sugg. 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.760 That's funny. Oh so you can sing as well? Wow, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:48.000 I'm learning so much already. Not Okay, I was a 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:52.080 pretty good singer when I was younger. Okay, okay, So 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.560 let me ask you what inspired you to try new 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:01.040 things throughout your life? Oh? Wow, I've been the decorator 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.960 interior decorator, anything that's creative. I I love it. I 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.000 thrived because and it all comes from my mom. You know, 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.880 my mom just could so she could a post, the furniture, 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.440 she could decorate, she she could just do anything. She 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.600 could cook. So she taught me all of these things. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.720 She had me at forty four, so I was kind 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.960 of like her friend. Okay, we hung out a lot 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.200 and I learned everything. I attribute everything I know how 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.479 to do to her. So is that something that you 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.880 think that you wanted to show your girls as well too, 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.480 because they have participated in some things outside of just 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:45.160 their music careers. They could all open a hair salon today, 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.279 and including Kelly. Kelly came to live with us when 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.320 she was ten, and they grew up in my salon 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.960 sweeping up hair. And they can cut hair. They can 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:59.520 do I mean they're doing hair. They can design things 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.040 they don't sew, but you know they can. They know 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.279 how to do a mean dart or something to make 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:09.479 their close to make some adjustments. So what we're kind 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:13.679 of focusing on in this conversation is successful careers later 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.039 in life. And I want to know if you ever 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.480 felt like your age got in the way of anything 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:24.320 that you were trying to achieve. No, I really haven't. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:28.080 I mean, if anything, the older I got, the more 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.440 confident I got in my ability to be able to 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.200 do many things. So I think I got more confidence 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.159 later on in life. And you know, I have a 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.920 bucket list like everybody else, and I've checked off most 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.400 of the things on my bucket list. Wow, good for you. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.160 That is not my strong suit. I have to say 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.200 it's not my strong suit. I've always been someone who 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:58.719 was just I had very low self esteem and very insecure. 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.000 I didn't do anything that my sister didn't do. If 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.960 my sister wasn't going. My sister is two years older 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.320 than me. I'm I'm the baby. I had two sisters 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.799 and a brother, and the sister closest to me, if 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.400 she wasn't going, if she wasn't doing it, then I 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:19.440 wasn't doing it either. So yeah, I understand that with sisters, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.320 you know, because you have somebody older to protect you 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.799 and you feel protected. But for me, there's a big gap. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.760 It's like a five year gap between six year gap 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.839 between me and my next siblings. So I was kind 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.600 of like an only child and I had to do 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.080 it for myself. So I had to get the courage to, 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:40.360 you know, do things for myself. Not that I wasn't 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.359 scared half the time, but you know, I'm if I 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.719 have a challenge, I really kind of psyched myself out 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.000 to rise to the okase, Yeah, you don't let your 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.520 fear hold you back. Yeah, And that's something that I 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.760 haven't quite conquered yet. I mean I've taken on some challenges, yes, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:02.000 like even me coming to Red Table. But it was 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:06.400 also a circumstance that I, you know, Jada was there. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.080 I knew that she was gonna protect me. I knew 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.200 that she was my comfort, you know what I mean, 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:17.080 she was my comfort. If I had that opportunity without 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:21.160 that padding it, trust me, it would not have happened. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.120 I don't think I would have done it very good 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.160 at it. You're a natural because you're you're you know, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.240 I love it because you guys are not trying to 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.280 present something or or say things through a filter. You 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.520 just it really seems very genuine and you and we're 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.520 not giving advice, that's the other things. We're just trying 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.880 to have conversation, just trying to have conversation. So, do 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.160 you have any advice for people who are older and 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.360 want to still have a successful career, or who might 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.600 want to make a career change. I think just to 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.520 get out there. I mean, there have been things that I, oh, Dad, 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.400 of course, but I just move on to whatever else, 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.640 the next challenges, because you know, you don't have to 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.400 be succeed in everything you do. But I think if 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.920 you don't try, then you'll never know. And I exactly 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.240 I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, I have some 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:20.119 friends that are scared to try because they're like, yeah, hold, 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:21.960 and I'm too, And I'm like, I don't ever think 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.080 like that. You know. I just go with it. And 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.880 sometimes I might look a little silly doing it or 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.840 might fail at it, but it's okay because then you know, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.319 it's just too many things that life is just too short. Right. 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.840 I'm a Chicago stepper and I love that dance and 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.560 I know, as I've been trying to learn on that 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.200 it's one of the things that holds me back when 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.640 I'm trying to dance is that I don't have confidence 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.959 in my dance and my ability to follow the lead 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.880 that the gentleman is giving me. That's a the same 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.560 thing people tell me all the time. And one of 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.320 the things that they say, they tell me, the instructors 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.920 will tell you is don't worry about making a mistake. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.199 It's just a dance. Don't worry about making a mistake, 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.120 and you're gonna be all right. Yeah, you're great. Like 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.480 you know, my husband tells me all the time. He's like, Tina, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.000 can you just let me leave? And I don't know. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.000 I'm trying really hard, but I think it's maybe it's 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.240 trust issues or whatever. But I'm always I'm not a 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:39.360 good follower, okay, you know. Yeah, so that's what stops 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.400 me because I'll be doing good and then I mess 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.280 up because you know, I get in my head about it. Yeah, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:53.760 you start doing your own thing, all right. I want 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.040 to move on to this book that you published. You're 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.960 an author and you published this book. I haven't right 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:04.720 here Destiny Style, I do. I have it. Bootylicious Fashion, 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:09.320 Beauty and Lifestyle Secrets from Destiny's Child. I have it, Yes, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:14.600 I do. And it's really funny, it really is. It's 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:21.199 such a beautiful display of all your designs through their career. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.400 Was that something that you always wanted to do to 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.440 publish a book? Being a fashion designer. Why I always 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.040 wanted to be a fashion designer. Someone just came to 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.520 me and they kind of I won't say pressure, but 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.400 they kept on me about it, and I said, oh, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.960 it might be fun to do. But it's so funny 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:43.600 because that book is probably what fifteen years old, and 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.520 recently someone gave me one because I didn't even have 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.600 a copy of it, and I looked to like, Lord, 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.800 have mercy thinking on some of these office It's really funny. 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.320 And my kids, you know, my kids look at that 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.640 book and they're like, oh, Mama, we hope nobody sees 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:04.439 that because you know, it's from fifteen years ago. The hairstyles, 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.240 the you know, it just shows you how much growth 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.920 that we've had over of course, of course, but I 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.079 mean this is part of their history. This is what 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.760 you can see, the change that that occurred. You know, 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.480 it's a it's a lot of growth. And and you 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.800 know it's funny because I did a little cooking section 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:25.640 and honey, listen, don't try it. I have it. I'm 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.559 gonna get to that. I'm gonna get to that. But 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:29.720 wait a minute. Before before we get to that, I'm 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.880 gonna ask you about out of all the costumes and 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.400 outfits that you've designed. Which one was your favorite. Do 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:40.480 you have a design or a gown that that stands 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.680 out in your mind that you're most proud of. Yeah, 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:49.360 I think probably um the first Grammy gown when Beyonce 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.800 was nominated for like I think she got five Grammys 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.840 that year. I wanted her to look like a Grammy statue. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:00.480 So I did this gold I had custom uh piece 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.960 made and it's really one of the most beautiful things. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.359 I just saw it recently. Somebody put it on Instagram 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.760 and I was like, this dress is so pretty. It's 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.320 one of them. And then for Destiny's Child, I did 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:15.280 these carsets. I did some custom black leather carsonites and 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:20.880 leather pants and skirtings and for them for I think 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.200 that might have been for Grandmas too. I still love 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:29.600 that outfit today, even though it's probably what nineteen years old. Yeah, so, yeah, 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.480 it's timeless. Yeah, I saw you you reposted that that 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.679 gown that you're describing on Instagram recently, right, Yeah, I 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:42.520 saw that it was beautiful because probably you know, sixteen 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.520 years ago and I look at some of the stuff. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.959 There's an Oscar dress that that somebody just recently posted 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.000 that was really beautiful, and I was like, you know, 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.920 I did do some great things because you know, when 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.280 the girls came along, I wanted them to be like 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.240 the Motown you remember the Motown day. Yes, on the 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:05.480 Supremes they look like exactly, but sometimes that went wrong. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.400 Why don't have the money to really you know, put 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.680 the money into it, and so a lot of it 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.920 I made it myself or we I had this guy 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.720 to make it, and you know, we couldn't afford to 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.559 really get stuff custom done and all of that, and 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.120 it was always a shortage of time, like I might 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.600 need some office in three days. So some of them 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:29.680 look a little crazy, but that's yeah. And it's it's 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.160 interesting that you bring up Motown too, because back in 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.280 the days with Motown, they if you look at the 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.360 history of Motown, the way they set up that company 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:45.080 was amazing. They had a department that spent time grooming 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:50.480 their artists, teaching them how to present themselves to the public. 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:55.400 So I feel like you guys did that with Destiny's Child. 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.680 I feel like you guys did that with the girls 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:04.360 because they presented themselves so well, so gracefully and respectfully. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.439 How they carried themselves in public. Was that important to you? 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:14.400 My ex husband used to play videos of motown stars 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.360 all the time, say to the girls, you see how 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.680 polite they are, Like you see eye contact, you see 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.480 how they you know, they know how to get out 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.600 of someone if someone asked them an inappropriate question, how 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.080 they can gracefully get out of it and not strike back? 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:38.240 You know, for me, like really, yes, so we you know, 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.880 we really taught them how to maneuver through that. We 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:46.240 taught them etiquette classes you know I had. So it's true, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:58.080 and thank you for noticing that. Absolutely, that's important when 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.320 it comes to yourself. How much input do you have 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.280 in your own styling? Do you style yourself or do 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.440 you have a stylist, Like when you go to public 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.080 events and award shows, you style yourself all the time 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.360 because you know, I'm a stylist right, um, And it's 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:21.320 just easier and it's way cheaper. I'd like that, I would. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.440 I would have to agree. I tend to style myself 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.720 as well. You know, you know, people like the stuff 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.080 that I wear, they like my shoes, they like you know, 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.360 how I present myself on Red table Talk. But yeah, 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.400 I saw myself as a stands right now, I don't 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.560 have a stylist. Now, what type of voice do you 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.120 feel like you were recreating for women in the fashion 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:48.200 industry as you were designing the clothes for Destiny's Child? 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:54.240 Because the fashion industry is heavily dominated by men. I'm 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.960 always find that so interesting, even when it comes to 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.760 shoes and fashion, it's just like it's the people that 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.560 don't have to wear it exactly, and that's why the 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:09.880 shoes hurt. Shoes hurt. But yeah, for me, especially at 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.920 the time that that they came along, it was, like 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:17.600 I said seventeen eighteen years ago, it was really hard 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.080 for me because for one thing, I'm not, you know, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.080 formally trained. It's something that I knew how to do, 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.000 and I did it out of necessity. I never meant 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:33.040 to style them. I was throwing their hair because and 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.600 and their makeup and that type of thing. I packed 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.960 up the clothes. I was the packer, the agent. You know, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.760 you do what you know that, you do what you 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.840 have to do to make sure that you know your 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.560 kids are taken care of. But I was doing the 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.560 hair and we were in Jamaica and we couldn't afford 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.280 to have a stylars travel with us because it was great. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.720 The label would give us small budgets so they would 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.560 send the clothes. I was steaming the clothes and put 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.000 them on the girls. They were all ways not sending 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.680 the clothes or the clothes got stuck at the airport. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.320 So we were in Jamaica for MTV and the clothes 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.280 didn't come and I had passed my little side on 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.119 the road where they had all this camouflage stuff. So 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.159 I went back and bought those clothes, cut them up, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.119 sold them up overnight. White Club John was there of 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.480 the Fujis and he said, Wow, who style y'alls? Beyonce said, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.760 my mom. He said, you need to style them all 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.199 the time because they're unique and they don't look like 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:32.000 everybody else. The girls were like sixteen. I think b 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.280 was like sixteen and they were seventeen, and it was 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:40.840 like everything that came was black and super sexy and clean, 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.320 and I was like, they're fifteen sixteen. So I put 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.639 them in color and prints and things like that, and 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:48.280 that's how I got the style in them. But I 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.040 never aspired to be a stylist. It just kind of happened. 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.719 When you talk about insecurity, you know Beyonce, I used 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.480 to joke with me and she was like, mom, if 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.560 you got some locks in your hair and you talked 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.560 with an accent, they would love you. Because I was 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.160 this country woman from this this big hair and they 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:11.080 were just treating me so badly all the time, like 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.840 you know other stylists or people in the industry. They 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:15.679 just didn't have a lot of respect for me at 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:26.600 that time. But they're gonna copy my stuff though. Alright, 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:32.240 So congratulations. I would say for your Facebook watch show 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.960 Talks with MoMA Tina that came out last year, do 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:43.160 you have plans for a second season? I do? I um. 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.760 I have had some offers because that was a one 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.399 time uh sixth episode, and I actually did seven. I 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.280 did one with Kevin Hart as well, and I still 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.680 have that in a camp. But I just really, honestly 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.240 have been so focused on so many things that we'll 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.960 see what happens. Okay. I have to say that I 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.520 do love on your show how you started out feeding 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.800 your guests. I think that was a grand way to 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:14.320 make folks feel welcome and and comforted. And so I 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.920 have your book that has the gumbo recipe in there. 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.520 Everybody knows that I can't cook, but I'm gonna try 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.840 to make your gumbo, so I have to let you know, yes, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.440 please let me go. You know, my folks are from Louisiana, 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.040 and I tell my kids all the time that we 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.560 used to go to Louisiana and the thing part of 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.639 that culture is that you surprise people. So we were 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.360 showing up at our cousin's house or relatives house at 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.280 one o'clock in the morning. They get up and start 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:46.200 frying chicken, and they were so hospitable and they've always 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.240 made you feel welcome, not that you were intruding. And 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.440 so it's my custom everybody that comes to my house, 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.800 I picked something for them, cook something for something, and 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.320 it makes them feel, like you said, very safe and warm, 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.800 you know. Yeah, so that's where that love for cooking 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:07.680 came from your Louisiana roots. Yeah, got you, got you. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.640 So now we're gonna move on to this new career 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:24.080 that you have just established. Yes, as an actress, you 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:28.720 had just got through during the Lifetime thriller movie called Wrath, 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:34.280 a seven deadly sins story premiered on Lifetime, and you're 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.280 in it, and and Michelle Williams is in it, and 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.760 you play her mom. Tell us what the story is? 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:46.440 You know it's Bishop Jake's who I love. Yeah, he 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.960 produces the Seven Deadly Sins. Oh, he contacted me, and 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.919 you know who can say no to Bishop Jake's. But 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.560 I was really nervous because I have never acted before. 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.040 I was in a MTV movie many years of O 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:04.560 ironically with my now husband, like twenty years ago. But 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:10.639 you wait, you're kidding. No, you know, I've known Richard 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:14.280 for thirty three years. But I just my friend Latonia Jackson, 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:18.760 Sam Jackson's wife. She was in and she asked me 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.199 to do They asked me to do a part, a 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.760 little part, and play myself in this MTV movie and 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:29.320 just so happens Richard played her husband. How crazy, But 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:32.520 that was like me playing myself. So this was really 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.080 scary to me. But it was fun and actually was fun. 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:41.119 I liked it. So did Richard coach you? No, Blue 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:47.760 coach to me. Blue Ivy helped to coach you in 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:51.400 your life through my line and she was like, Grandma, 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:53.639 I don't know if this is right for you. I 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.399 don't know if you can do this. I was like, 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.720 forgiving me, that's company. Yeah, I mean, that's that's huge 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:04.919 to me. That's huge to me because you have to 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:09.359 memorize your lines and you know, you're in front of 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.600 all these cameras with it. I mean, people think that 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.600 acting is easy. It is not. It really is not. 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.720 It's doing stuff over and I'm like, we gotta do 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:23.160 this again, you know. I talked to my husband, Richard, 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:25.960 and I said they did that. I was like, that's 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.320 enough for that, and he was like, they are never 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.800 asking you back again. It's like you do that. I 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:34.919 was like, we're gonna have to do this again because 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.560 they do it far away then close up and I'm like, right, 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.080 do you see that as something that you would like 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:44.280 to try again? Do you see yourself really diving into 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:49.639 acting now? No? I love producing. That's not like is 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.040 the producing part of it. I would love to produce. 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.280 And if I made like a you know, a small 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.960 appearance in and maybe that that's it was fun. Yeah, 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:02.560 And you know it's easy because Michelle is like my daughter. Yeah, exactly, 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.280 just easy. I just pretended that we were in one 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:09.800 of our conversations and yeah, so much more comfortable when 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.000 you're dealing with someone that you're so close to Okay, 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.120 so I wanna jumpkie switch gears a little bit and 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:21.280 talk about you and Richard, because, like me, you found 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.639 love again at an older age. So how did you 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.840 first meet Richard? Everybody knows that you're married to the 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:32.760 handsome and wonderful Richard Lawson. Yeah. I met Richard forty 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:37.080 years ago. I was pregnant with Beyonce, actually, and I 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.760 met his sister over the phone. Believe it or not, 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.119 my ex husband was at a Xerox party and I 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:45.440 started talking to this girl. He said, I know she's 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:49.240 related to you because her family's last name is Broussard 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.200 and my family's name is Russart, and we're from this little, 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.359 tiny area and they were from the same area. So 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:59.760 we started talking and we were like, you know, we 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:03.400 our families definitely were related, but it was very distant, 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:07.680 so let's not get rumors started. Yeah, let's not be careful. 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.680 But but anyway, we became the best of friends, and 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.800 I met Richard with her, and he was just always 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:16.240 the nicest guy, because you know, he was on. I 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.440 think I believe that he was on. He had done 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.119 Poltergeist and some of these movies, and I thought he 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:24.119 was so handsome and um on that him, and I 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:26.320 thought he was gonna be like the movie star. You know, 0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.159 when you're from Texas, you think everybody, if they've been 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.760 on TV, they like a millionaire and they a movie star. 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.679 But he was helping somebody moved. The first day I 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.919 met him, he was helping Larry Hilton Jacob's move, and 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.919