Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. I'm Gammy and this is positively Gamed.
Speaker 1: As you all know, I retired from nursing five years
Speaker 1: ago to join Jada and Willow as a co host
Speaker 1: of Red Table Talk. Actually, each time that I have
Speaker 1: retired from nursing, it's been because of Jada. So thank
Speaker 1: you Jada. So many of my friends have also changed
Speaker 1: careers or continue to have successful careers later in life,
Speaker 1: and today's guest is no exception, as she continues to
Speaker 1: partake in a variety of projects and there seems to
Speaker 1: be no end in sight for her. I am so
Speaker 1: excited to have Tina Knows Loss and join me on
Speaker 1: today's episodes. So let's go. Tina Knows Lawson is a
Speaker 1: fashion designer, entrepreneur, philand entropist, talk show host, author, mother, grandmother,
Speaker 1: and actress. Hey, Tina, welcome to Positively gam I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to have you on. So excited. Well, I'm excited
Speaker 1: to be here. You know, I follow all of your
Speaker 1: your Instagram and see all your thanks going on, and
Speaker 1: you remind me of me. Okay, so it's good to
Speaker 1: be here. Awesome. We all know you are the mother
Speaker 1: of two beautiful and talented daughters, Beyonce and Salange. But
Speaker 1: this show is about you. I want to talk about you.
Speaker 1: I read that you were a makeup artist at nineteen
Speaker 1: years old and later opened up your own hair salon
Speaker 1: in Houston, all before designing the costumes for your daughter's group,
Speaker 1: Destiny's Child. So already that's like three somewhat related careers
Speaker 1: early on, before you even move into the realm of entertainment.
Speaker 1: And you know, like for me, a lot of people
Speaker 1: grow up with this goal from their parents to just
Speaker 1: go to school, graduate from high school, and get a job.
Speaker 1: Graduate from college and get a job. And there's no
Speaker 1: right or wrong about that, no judgment, but a job
Speaker 1: is not a career. And it seems like, just like
Speaker 1: right out the gate, you had this entrepreneurial spirit. Where
Speaker 1: did that come from? I think my entrepreneurial came from
Speaker 1: my parents. My mother. Actually, my mother was a seamstress.
Speaker 1: She was a stay at home mom. I mean, I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: my mom didn't work, But as I got older, I
Speaker 1: realized that she really worked, as she worked hard and
Speaker 1: that was a career even though she took in sewing
Speaker 1: and so she was a great designer and she made
Speaker 1: these beautiful beated jackets for women in Galveston and evening
Speaker 1: gowns and that type of thing. She was a beater
Speaker 1: so and a seamstress. So I got it from her
Speaker 1: figuring out how to make a Yeah, and so did
Speaker 1: she teach you how to sell? Because I know my
Speaker 1: mother taught us how to soul when I used to
Speaker 1: make a lot of my own clothes too. I never
Speaker 1: designed them, I used patterns, but we did. So we
Speaker 1: made a lot of our own clothes because you picked
Speaker 1: out the fabrics and put your own touch right. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she taught us all how to sew. My nephew was
Speaker 1: my best friend, Johnny, and she taught he and I
Speaker 1: how to sew when we were like maybe ten years old.
Speaker 1: And I was in a singing group when I was
Speaker 1: in high school. And uh, my mother and I made
Speaker 1: all the costume. Look we dressed better than we sugg.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Oh so you can sing as well? Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm learning so much already. Not Okay, I was a
Speaker 1: pretty good singer when I was younger. Okay, okay, So
Speaker 1: let me ask you what inspired you to try new
Speaker 1: things throughout your life? Oh? Wow, I've been the decorator
Speaker 1: interior decorator, anything that's creative. I I love it. I
Speaker 1: thrived because and it all comes from my mom. You know,
Speaker 1: my mom just could so she could a post, the furniture,
Speaker 1: she could decorate, she she could just do anything. She
Speaker 1: could cook. So she taught me all of these things.
Speaker 1: She had me at forty four, so I was kind
Speaker 1: of like her friend. Okay, we hung out a lot
Speaker 1: and I learned everything. I attribute everything I know how
Speaker 1: to do to her. So is that something that you
Speaker 1: think that you wanted to show your girls as well too,
Speaker 1: because they have participated in some things outside of just
Speaker 1: their music careers. They could all open a hair salon today,
Speaker 1: and including Kelly. Kelly came to live with us when
Speaker 1: she was ten, and they grew up in my salon
Speaker 1: sweeping up hair. And they can cut hair. They can
Speaker 1: do I mean they're doing hair. They can design things
Speaker 1: they don't sew, but you know they can. They know
Speaker 1: how to do a mean dart or something to make
Speaker 1: their close to make some adjustments. So what we're kind
Speaker 1: of focusing on in this conversation is successful careers later
Speaker 1: in life. And I want to know if you ever
Speaker 1: felt like your age got in the way of anything
Speaker 1: that you were trying to achieve. No, I really haven't.
Speaker 1: I mean, if anything, the older I got, the more
Speaker 1: confident I got in my ability to be able to
Speaker 1: do many things. So I think I got more confidence
Speaker 1: later on in life. And you know, I have a
Speaker 1: bucket list like everybody else, and I've checked off most
Speaker 1: of the things on my bucket list. Wow, good for you.
Speaker 1: That is not my strong suit. I have to say
Speaker 1: it's not my strong suit. I've always been someone who
Speaker 1: was just I had very low self esteem and very insecure.
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything that my sister didn't do. If
Speaker 1: my sister wasn't going. My sister is two years older
Speaker 1: than me. I'm I'm the baby. I had two sisters
Speaker 1: and a brother, and the sister closest to me, if
Speaker 1: she wasn't going, if she wasn't doing it, then I
Speaker 1: wasn't doing it either. So yeah, I understand that with sisters,
Speaker 1: you know, because you have somebody older to protect you
Speaker 1: and you feel protected. But for me, there's a big gap.
Speaker 1: It's like a five year gap between six year gap
Speaker 1: between me and my next siblings. So I was kind
Speaker 1: of like an only child and I had to do
Speaker 1: it for myself. So I had to get the courage to,
Speaker 1: you know, do things for myself. Not that I wasn't
Speaker 1: scared half the time, but you know, I'm if I
Speaker 1: have a challenge, I really kind of psyched myself out
Speaker 1: to rise to the okase, Yeah, you don't let your
Speaker 1: fear hold you back. Yeah, And that's something that I
Speaker 1: haven't quite conquered yet. I mean I've taken on some challenges, yes,
Speaker 1: like even me coming to Red Table. But it was
Speaker 1: also a circumstance that I, you know, Jada was there.
Speaker 1: I knew that she was gonna protect me. I knew
Speaker 1: that she was my comfort, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: she was my comfort. If I had that opportunity without
Speaker 1: that padding it, trust me, it would not have happened.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have done it very good
Speaker 1: at it. You're a natural because you're you're you know,
Speaker 1: I love it because you guys are not trying to
Speaker 1: present something or or say things through a filter. You
Speaker 1: just it really seems very genuine and you and we're
Speaker 1: not giving advice, that's the other things. We're just trying
Speaker 1: to have conversation, just trying to have conversation. So, do
Speaker 1: you have any advice for people who are older and
Speaker 1: want to still have a successful career, or who might
Speaker 1: want to make a career change. I think just to
Speaker 1: get out there. I mean, there have been things that I, oh, Dad,
Speaker 1: of course, but I just move on to whatever else,
Speaker 1: the next challenges, because you know, you don't have to
Speaker 1: be succeed in everything you do. But I think if
Speaker 1: you don't try, then you'll never know. And I exactly
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, I have some
Speaker 1: friends that are scared to try because they're like, yeah, hold,
Speaker 1: and I'm too, And I'm like, I don't ever think
Speaker 1: like that. You know. I just go with it. And
Speaker 1: sometimes I might look a little silly doing it or
Speaker 1: might fail at it, but it's okay because then you know,
Speaker 1: it's just too many things that life is just too short. Right.
Speaker 1: I'm a Chicago stepper and I love that dance and
Speaker 1: I know, as I've been trying to learn on that
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that holds me back when
Speaker 1: I'm trying to dance is that I don't have confidence
Speaker 1: in my dance and my ability to follow the lead
Speaker 1: that the gentleman is giving me. That's a the same
Speaker 1: thing people tell me all the time. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that they say, they tell me, the instructors
Speaker 1: will tell you is don't worry about making a mistake.
Speaker 1: It's just a dance. Don't worry about making a mistake,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be all right. Yeah, you're great. Like
Speaker 1: you know, my husband tells me all the time. He's like, Tina,
Speaker 1: can you just let me leave? And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying really hard, but I think it's maybe it's
Speaker 1: trust issues or whatever. But I'm always I'm not a
Speaker 1: good follower, okay, you know. Yeah, so that's what stops
Speaker 1: me because I'll be doing good and then I mess
Speaker 1: up because you know, I get in my head about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you start doing your own thing, all right. I want
Speaker 1: to move on to this book that you published. You're
Speaker 1: an author and you published this book. I haven't right
Speaker 1: here Destiny Style, I do. I have it. Bootylicious Fashion,
Speaker 1: Beauty and Lifestyle Secrets from Destiny's Child. I have it, Yes,
Speaker 1: I do. And it's really funny, it really is. It's
Speaker 1: such a beautiful display of all your designs through their career.
Speaker 1: Was that something that you always wanted to do to
Speaker 1: publish a book? Being a fashion designer. Why I always
Speaker 1: wanted to be a fashion designer. Someone just came to
Speaker 1: me and they kind of I won't say pressure, but
Speaker 1: they kept on me about it, and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: it might be fun to do. But it's so funny
Speaker 1: because that book is probably what fifteen years old, and
Speaker 1: recently someone gave me one because I didn't even have
Speaker 1: a copy of it, and I looked to like, Lord,
Speaker 1: have mercy thinking on some of these office It's really funny.
Speaker 1: And my kids, you know, my kids look at that
Speaker 1: book and they're like, oh, Mama, we hope nobody sees
Speaker 1: that because you know, it's from fifteen years ago. The hairstyles,
Speaker 1: the you know, it just shows you how much growth
Speaker 1: that we've had over of course, of course, but I
Speaker 1: mean this is part of their history. This is what
Speaker 1: you can see, the change that that occurred. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot of growth. And and you
Speaker 1: know it's funny because I did a little cooking section
Speaker 1: and honey, listen, don't try it. I have it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get to that. I'm gonna get to that. But
Speaker 1: wait a minute. Before before we get to that, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask you about out of all the costumes and
Speaker 1: outfits that you've designed. Which one was your favorite. Do
Speaker 1: you have a design or a gown that that stands
Speaker 1: out in your mind that you're most proud of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think probably um the first Grammy gown when Beyonce
Speaker 1: was nominated for like I think she got five Grammys
Speaker 1: that year. I wanted her to look like a Grammy statue.
Speaker 1: So I did this gold I had custom uh piece
Speaker 1: made and it's really one of the most beautiful things.
Speaker 1: I just saw it recently. Somebody put it on Instagram
Speaker 1: and I was like, this dress is so pretty. It's
Speaker 1: one of them. And then for Destiny's Child, I did
Speaker 1: these carsets. I did some custom black leather carsonites and
Speaker 1: leather pants and skirtings and for them for I think
Speaker 1: that might have been for Grandmas too. I still love
Speaker 1: that outfit today, even though it's probably what nineteen years old. Yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's timeless. Yeah, I saw you you reposted that that
Speaker 1: gown that you're describing on Instagram recently, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw that it was beautiful because probably you know, sixteen
Speaker 1: years ago and I look at some of the stuff.
Speaker 1: There's an Oscar dress that that somebody just recently posted
Speaker 1: that was really beautiful, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I did do some great things because you know, when
Speaker 1: the girls came along, I wanted them to be like
Speaker 1: the Motown you remember the Motown day. Yes, on the
Speaker 1: Supremes they look like exactly, but sometimes that went wrong.
Speaker 1: Why don't have the money to really you know, put
Speaker 1: the money into it, and so a lot of it
Speaker 1: I made it myself or we I had this guy
Speaker 1: to make it, and you know, we couldn't afford to
Speaker 1: really get stuff custom done and all of that, and
Speaker 1: it was always a shortage of time, like I might
Speaker 1: need some office in three days. So some of them
Speaker 1: look a little crazy, but that's yeah. And it's it's
Speaker 1: interesting that you bring up Motown too, because back in
Speaker 1: the days with Motown, they if you look at the
Speaker 1: history of Motown, the way they set up that company
Speaker 1: was amazing. They had a department that spent time grooming
Speaker 1: their artists, teaching them how to present themselves to the public.
Speaker 1: So I feel like you guys did that with Destiny's Child.
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys did that with the girls
Speaker 1: because they presented themselves so well, so gracefully and respectfully.
Speaker 1: How they carried themselves in public. Was that important to you?
Speaker 1: My ex husband used to play videos of motown stars
Speaker 1: all the time, say to the girls, you see how
Speaker 1: polite they are, Like you see eye contact, you see
Speaker 1: how they you know, they know how to get out
Speaker 1: of someone if someone asked them an inappropriate question, how
Speaker 1: they can gracefully get out of it and not strike back?
Speaker 1: You know, for me, like really, yes, so we you know,
Speaker 1: we really taught them how to maneuver through that. We
Speaker 1: taught them etiquette classes you know I had. So it's true,
Speaker 1: and thank you for noticing that. Absolutely, that's important when
Speaker 1: it comes to yourself. How much input do you have
Speaker 1: in your own styling? Do you style yourself or do
Speaker 1: you have a stylist, Like when you go to public
Speaker 1: events and award shows, you style yourself all the time
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm a stylist right, um, And it's
Speaker 1: just easier and it's way cheaper. I'd like that, I would.
Speaker 1: I would have to agree. I tend to style myself
Speaker 1: as well. You know, you know, people like the stuff
Speaker 1: that I wear, they like my shoes, they like you know,
Speaker 1: how I present myself on Red table Talk. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw myself as a stands right now, I don't
Speaker 1: have a stylist. Now, what type of voice do you
Speaker 1: feel like you were recreating for women in the fashion
Speaker 1: industry as you were designing the clothes for Destiny's Child?
Speaker 1: Because the fashion industry is heavily dominated by men. I'm
Speaker 1: always find that so interesting, even when it comes to
Speaker 1: shoes and fashion, it's just like it's the people that
Speaker 1: don't have to wear it exactly, and that's why the
Speaker 1: shoes hurt. Shoes hurt. But yeah, for me, especially at
Speaker 1: the time that that they came along, it was, like
Speaker 1: I said seventeen eighteen years ago, it was really hard
Speaker 1: for me because for one thing, I'm not, you know,
Speaker 1: formally trained. It's something that I knew how to do,
Speaker 1: and I did it out of necessity. I never meant
Speaker 1: to style them. I was throwing their hair because and
Speaker 1: and their makeup and that type of thing. I packed
Speaker 1: up the clothes. I was the packer, the agent. You know,
Speaker 1: you do what you know that, you do what you
Speaker 1: have to do to make sure that you know your
Speaker 1: kids are taken care of. But I was doing the
Speaker 1: hair and we were in Jamaica and we couldn't afford
Speaker 1: to have a stylars travel with us because it was great.
Speaker 1: The label would give us small budgets so they would
Speaker 1: send the clothes. I was steaming the clothes and put
Speaker 1: them on the girls. They were all ways not sending
Speaker 1: the clothes or the clothes got stuck at the airport.
Speaker 1: So we were in Jamaica for MTV and the clothes
Speaker 1: didn't come and I had passed my little side on
Speaker 1: the road where they had all this camouflage stuff. So
Speaker 1: I went back and bought those clothes, cut them up,
Speaker 1: sold them up overnight. White Club John was there of
Speaker 1: the Fujis and he said, Wow, who style y'alls? Beyonce said,
Speaker 1: my mom. He said, you need to style them all
Speaker 1: the time because they're unique and they don't look like
Speaker 1: everybody else. The girls were like sixteen. I think b
Speaker 1: was like sixteen and they were seventeen, and it was
Speaker 1: like everything that came was black and super sexy and clean,
Speaker 1: and I was like, they're fifteen sixteen. So I put
Speaker 1: them in color and prints and things like that, and
Speaker 1: that's how I got the style in them. But I
Speaker 1: never aspired to be a stylist. It just kind of happened.
Speaker 1: When you talk about insecurity, you know Beyonce, I used
Speaker 1: to joke with me and she was like, mom, if
Speaker 1: you got some locks in your hair and you talked
Speaker 1: with an accent, they would love you. Because I was
Speaker 1: this country woman from this this big hair and they
Speaker 1: were just treating me so badly all the time, like
Speaker 1: you know other stylists or people in the industry. They
Speaker 1: just didn't have a lot of respect for me at
Speaker 1: that time. But they're gonna copy my stuff though. Alright,
Speaker 1: So congratulations. I would say for your Facebook watch show
Speaker 1: Talks with MoMA Tina that came out last year, do
Speaker 1: you have plans for a second season? I do? I um.
Speaker 1: I have had some offers because that was a one
Speaker 1: time uh sixth episode, and I actually did seven. I
Speaker 1: did one with Kevin Hart as well, and I still
Speaker 1: have that in a camp. But I just really, honestly
Speaker 1: have been so focused on so many things that we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. Okay. I have to say that I
Speaker 1: do love on your show how you started out feeding
Speaker 1: your guests. I think that was a grand way to
Speaker 1: make folks feel welcome and and comforted. And so I
Speaker 1: have your book that has the gumbo recipe in there.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that I can't cook, but I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to make your gumbo, so I have to let you know, yes,
Speaker 1: please let me go. You know, my folks are from Louisiana,
Speaker 1: and I tell my kids all the time that we
Speaker 1: used to go to Louisiana and the thing part of
Speaker 1: that culture is that you surprise people. So we were
Speaker 1: showing up at our cousin's house or relatives house at
Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning. They get up and start
Speaker 1: frying chicken, and they were so hospitable and they've always
Speaker 1: made you feel welcome, not that you were intruding. And
Speaker 1: so it's my custom everybody that comes to my house,
Speaker 1: I picked something for them, cook something for something, and
Speaker 1: it makes them feel, like you said, very safe and warm,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so that's where that love for cooking
Speaker 1: came from your Louisiana roots. Yeah, got you, got you.
Speaker 1: So now we're gonna move on to this new career
Speaker 1: that you have just established. Yes, as an actress, you
Speaker 1: had just got through during the Lifetime thriller movie called Wrath,
Speaker 1: a seven deadly sins story premiered on Lifetime, and you're
Speaker 1: in it, and and Michelle Williams is in it, and
Speaker 1: you play her mom. Tell us what the story is?
Speaker 1: You know it's Bishop Jake's who I love. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: produces the Seven Deadly Sins. Oh, he contacted me, and
Speaker 1: you know who can say no to Bishop Jake's. But
Speaker 1: I was really nervous because I have never acted before.
Speaker 1: I was in a MTV movie many years of O
Speaker 1: ironically with my now husband, like twenty years ago. But
Speaker 1: you wait, you're kidding. No, you know, I've known Richard
Speaker 1: for thirty three years. But I just my friend Latonia Jackson,
Speaker 1: Sam Jackson's wife. She was in and she asked me
Speaker 1: to do They asked me to do a part, a
Speaker 1: little part, and play myself in this MTV movie and
Speaker 1: just so happens Richard played her husband. How crazy, But
Speaker 1: that was like me playing myself. So this was really
Speaker 1: scary to me. But it was fun and actually was fun.
Speaker 1: I liked it. So did Richard coach you? No, Blue
Speaker 1: coach to me. Blue Ivy helped to coach you in
Speaker 1: your life through my line and she was like, Grandma,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is right for you. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can do this. I was like,
Speaker 1: forgiving me, that's company. Yeah, I mean, that's that's huge
Speaker 1: to me. That's huge to me because you have to
Speaker 1: memorize your lines and you know, you're in front of
Speaker 1: all these cameras with it. I mean, people think that
Speaker 1: acting is easy. It is not. It really is not.
Speaker 1: It's doing stuff over and I'm like, we gotta do
Speaker 1: this again, you know. I talked to my husband, Richard,
Speaker 1: and I said they did that. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: enough for that, and he was like, they are never
Speaker 1: asking you back again. It's like you do that. I
Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna have to do this again because
Speaker 1: they do it far away then close up and I'm like, right,
Speaker 1: do you see that as something that you would like
Speaker 1: to try again? Do you see yourself really diving into
Speaker 1: acting now? No? I love producing. That's not like is
Speaker 1: the producing part of it. I would love to produce.
Speaker 1: And if I made like a you know, a small
Speaker 1: appearance in and maybe that that's it was fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know it's easy because Michelle is like my daughter. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: just easy. I just pretended that we were in one
Speaker 1: of our conversations and yeah, so much more comfortable when
Speaker 1: you're dealing with someone that you're so close to Okay,
Speaker 1: so I wanna jumpkie switch gears a little bit and
Speaker 1: talk about you and Richard, because, like me, you found
Speaker 1: love again at an older age. So how did you
Speaker 1: first meet Richard? Everybody knows that you're married to the
Speaker 1: handsome and wonderful Richard Lawson. Yeah. I met Richard forty
Speaker 1: years ago. I was pregnant with Beyonce, actually, and I
Speaker 1: met his sister over the phone. Believe it or not,
Speaker 1: my ex husband was at a Xerox party and I
Speaker 1: started talking to this girl. He said, I know she's
Speaker 1: related to you because her family's last name is Broussard
Speaker 1: and my family's name is Russart, and we're from this little,
Speaker 1: tiny area and they were from the same area. So
Speaker 1: we started talking and we were like, you know, we
Speaker 1: our families definitely were related, but it was very distant,
Speaker 1: so let's not get rumors started. Yeah, let's not be careful.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, we became the best of friends, and
Speaker 1: I met Richard with her, and he was just always
Speaker 1: the nicest guy, because you know, he was on. I
Speaker 1: think I believe that he was on. He had done
Speaker 1: Poltergeist and some of these movies, and I thought he
Speaker 1: was so handsome and um on that him, and I
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be like the movie star. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're from Texas, you think everybody, if they've been
Speaker 1: on TV, they like a millionaire and they a movie star.
Speaker 1: But he was helping somebody moved. The first day I
Speaker 1: met him, he was helping Larry Hilton Jacob's move, and
Speaker 1: I was like, God, movie stars helped people move with
Speaker 1: they rent trucks and they do this stuff. And he
Speaker 1: was just so nice and down the earth, and we
Speaker 1: are we're all friends. My ex husband, all of us
Speaker 1: were friends. He was married, I was married, and then
Speaker 1: through the years we saw each other and his sister
Speaker 1: unfortunately died at forty and from breast cancer, and of
Speaker 1: course we were together during that time, and we stayed
Speaker 1: in touch when he would come to Houston. I keep
Speaker 1: his daughter, and so our families always intertwined. And who
Speaker 1: would have ever thought that we wind up together, But
Speaker 1: we actually connected The week that my ex husband was
Speaker 1: getting married, and I was sold like sad, not about
Speaker 1: because I wanted him back, but just because I was
Speaker 1: sad because he was married and I was still not
Speaker 1: even really dating. And so my friend called him to
Speaker 1: take us out and then we you know, we just
Speaker 1: became friends and then that developed into you know, us
Speaker 1: having a close relationship. I think we always had a
Speaker 1: lot of admiration and things in common. But of course
Speaker 1: we were married. So that's faith, that's God. Well, how
Speaker 1: did you meet your husband? Did you know? One time?
Speaker 1: I did? I did. Rannie and I dated many years ago. Yes,
Speaker 1: uh huh, we dated many years ago. He drove me
Speaker 1: to take Jada to college. Why yeah, but we yeah,
Speaker 1: we dated for about probably about four years back then.
Speaker 1: But I yeah, And I don't know how much of
Speaker 1: my story, you know, but I was I am a
Speaker 1: recovering addict, and I was still suffering and struggling with
Speaker 1: my addiction at the time, and so the relationship didn't work,
Speaker 1: and so that that relationship ended and I ended up
Speaker 1: getting clean. But I also had another marriage in between
Speaker 1: before I'm married. Because I've been married four times, Tina,
Speaker 1: I've been married four times. So Rodney is my fourth
Speaker 1: and last husband. It looks like one. And then and
Speaker 1: then that was great. I mean, that's the best. I
Speaker 1: think at this point in our lives, we know who
Speaker 1: we don't want, you know what we do want, and
Speaker 1: I think you know, Richard and I say that all time.
Speaker 1: We've been through enough because he's been a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I've been married before. We know what we don't want
Speaker 1: to have in our lives, and we try not to
Speaker 1: make those safe mistakes against I think it's the best.
Speaker 1: It is the best. And we also recognize how important
Speaker 1: it is to have friendship in a marriage. But beyond
Speaker 1: the love, the friendship that's right, Thank you. I say
Speaker 1: that all the time. Do you like him right? Do
Speaker 1: you like him as a person? Okay, so important, so important.
Speaker 1: So before we wrap up, because you talked about having
Speaker 1: a bucket list, what are some of the things on
Speaker 1: your bucket list? I want to go and spend like
Speaker 1: a month in Africa. That's I've been several times. And
Speaker 1: when I go, I got a schedule of here, there
Speaker 1: to there. I just want to go where I don't
Speaker 1: have anything to do and I can do whatever I
Speaker 1: want and go wherever I want. Pretty much everything else
Speaker 1: that I had, I had a really long bucket list
Speaker 1: I have. God has blessed me to be able to
Speaker 1: do to travel and you know, I mean I always
Speaker 1: wanted to produce a show. I got to do that,
Speaker 1: and you know, I got to act in the show,
Speaker 1: and yeah, the rest of it is just I think
Speaker 1: that's about the only thing that I haven't ever had
Speaker 1: in my life is just to be able to go
Speaker 1: on a trip where I don't have a schedule and
Speaker 1: I don't have anybody to answer to, and I could
Speaker 1: do what I want to do. Now I have to
Speaker 1: jump back a little bit and ask what did Richard
Speaker 1: think about you jumping into the acting role? He jokes
Speaker 1: all the time, you know she want to be an
Speaker 1: actress and I don't. But he wasn't surprised. He just
Speaker 1: was doing a project at the same time, because they
Speaker 1: actually asked him to play my husband, but he couldn't
Speaker 1: do it because he was doing another film and he
Speaker 1: couldn't help me with my lines. And that's why I
Speaker 1: got Blue to help me at the last minute. But
Speaker 1: but he thought, I mean, he thinks that I should
Speaker 1: do it. I should pursue it. And I said if
Speaker 1: he maybe, if he helped me and coach to me,
Speaker 1: I would feel more confident because I was pretty nervous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can imagine he would. Sounds like he was supportive
Speaker 1: even though he wasn't physically present. And Rodney has been
Speaker 1: that for me. He he actually um pushes me and
Speaker 1: encourages me to do more. So it's it feels good
Speaker 1: to have your partner be so supportive of the things
Speaker 1: that you're trying to do in your life. Absolutely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you currently working on right now? I am
Speaker 1: doing a lot with developing some businesses. Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: the thing that's been keeping me the most busy right now,
Speaker 1: and I'm not at liberty to talk about what they are,
Speaker 1: but it's exciting, it's fun. Okay. Then we'll keep our
Speaker 1: eyes and ears open for whatever you have coming down
Speaker 1: the pike. So now it's time for this segment that
Speaker 1: I have. Wouldn't you like to know? So I have
Speaker 1: a couple of rapid fire questions I'd like you to answer, Tina,
Speaker 1: simple questions. All right, what book are you currently reading?
Speaker 1: The Body Keeps the Score and it's about your mind, body,
Speaker 1: and soul. And I'm trying to understand how trauma works
Speaker 1: because people talk about trauma. I've had, everybody's had trauma,
Speaker 1: and it is the best book because it tells you
Speaker 1: how to connect the dots on you know, things that
Speaker 1: you don't even know. We're trauma for you and that
Speaker 1: your body keeps the score of that it's there, it
Speaker 1: doesn't go away. Yeah, yeah, that sounds interesting. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to check that out. What it's one thing you
Speaker 1: would like to get off your chest? If you don't try,
Speaker 1: you'll never know. So, you know, please, if you have
Speaker 1: some dreams or aspirations, don't let fear, negativity or other
Speaker 1: people telling you you can't do it stop you from
Speaker 1: doing it. Go for it. What do you have to lose.
Speaker 1: I need to hear that myself. Thank you. We're keeping
Speaker 1: positive exactly. What's a model that you live by? Probably
Speaker 1: the biggest one is that you gotta be cute on
Speaker 1: the inside. You know. My mama drove that into my
Speaker 1: head as a kid, and it used to get you.
Speaker 1: You know, pretty is as pretty does, and you know
Speaker 1: it was like I don't, But I have instilled in
Speaker 1: it my kids in a different way, and they instilling
Speaker 1: in their kids because you know, it's nice to be
Speaker 1: cute on the outside, but what about your heart and
Speaker 1: what about but what's going on in the inside? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: because that other thing just finds a way to come
Speaker 1: out some kind of Absolutely on the outside. Tell us
Speaker 1: where people can find you on social media Tina. I
Speaker 1: am on Instagram on Miss Tina Lawson, and it's the
Speaker 1: same for Facebook. I just got on Facebook maybe a
Speaker 1: year ago. Okay, thank you so much for taking the
Speaker 1: time out joining us here on positively gab. It was
Speaker 1: such such a pleasure to have you. I've been waiting
Speaker 1: for you to come on, so thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. To have a great day. Okay
Speaker 1: you too, alright, alright, bye bye. That was such a
Speaker 1: great conversation with Tina Knowles Lawson. I was so excited
Speaker 1: to have her on. And my one takeaway don't let
Speaker 1: fear hold you back. Today was a great episode. You
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