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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. We have been talking

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Speaker 1: with Congresswoman Nicole Malia Takis about the issue of immigration

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Speaker 1: specific to border enforcement for years now, and now we're

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Speaker 1: getting to this place in time where it's very interesting

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Speaker 1: to hear from members of both sides of the aisle

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Speaker 1: when it comes to enforcement in cities like Minneapolis. She's representing,

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Speaker 1: of course, New York's eleventh district. Congresswoman, it's great to

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Speaker 1: have you back on Bloomberg.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So let's go through a couple of these things. We'll

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Speaker 1: run through these lists, this list of demands. How do

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Speaker 1: you interpret the president's remarks because it hasn't necessarily signaled

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Speaker 1: a change in policy, is it a change in approach

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Speaker 1: on any level for you?

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Speaker 3: Look, I think I think the president the administration recognizes

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Speaker 3: that the tactics that Ice was using has not has

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Speaker 3: not been popular, have not been popular, regardless of where

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Speaker 3: you sit on the spectrum. I think people who want

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Speaker 3: it to see strong border enforcement. We achieved that. Right

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Speaker 3: there's no more border crossings. People are not being released

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Speaker 3: in the country, the border has been secured. Municipalities like

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Speaker 3: mine who had migrant gangs and drug traffickers and criminals

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Speaker 3: wreaking havoc that has been cleaned up. Those individuals are

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Speaker 3: being deported, but I think when they see the aggression

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Speaker 3: of ICE, there is a concern there. And now ICE

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Speaker 3: ICE has really no choice but to go in the

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Speaker 3: municipalities and find these perpetrators. Why, because these local municipalities

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Speaker 3: are not cooperating. New York City's not cooperating, Minneapolis not cooperating.

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Speaker 3: We used to be able to have ICE and Rikers

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Speaker 3: Island and they would take the criminals directly from there

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Speaker 3: upon release from jail and go into federal custody. Bill

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Speaker 3: de Blasio unfortunately changed that. This mayor wants to continue

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Speaker 3: having that policy of no cooperation, and so ICE has

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Speaker 3: no choice but to go into these cities and find

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Speaker 3: these individuals, which makes it less safe for the officers,

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Speaker 3: for the community, or the immigrants. But I should remind

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Speaker 3: people when they were in Minneapolis a couple of weeks

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Speaker 3: ago and this happened, they were arresting two murderers who

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Speaker 3: had detained orders of removal going back to twenty thirteen

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Speaker 3: and twenty fifteen. A guy with twenty four criminal convictions,

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Speaker 3: a guy was convicted of sodomizing.

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Speaker 2: A twelve year old girl.

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Speaker 3: So these are real criminals that are going after and unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: when they don't get cooperation, it makes it less safe

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Speaker 3: for everyone.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think of the contours of this debate.

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Speaker 1: We've been spending time this week with a number of

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Speaker 1: Republican Senators John Corden and Ted Cruz, Ted Budd largely

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Speaker 1: opposed to what Democrats are offering, specifically when it comes

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Speaker 1: to d masking.

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Speaker 2: That seems to be a real flashpoint here.

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Speaker 1: And I know that there are worries about officers being targeted,

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Speaker 1: being docked, and so forth.

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Speaker 2: But when you look at this list, this is a lot.

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Speaker 1: More lengthy and a lot more detailed than I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans saw coming.

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Speaker 2: We've been dealing with kind of four.

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Speaker 1: Buckets, masks, bodycams, warrants, and this goes a lot further

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Speaker 1: when we talk about targeted enforcement. DHS cannot enter a

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Speaker 1: private property without a judicial warrant, no masks, require ID,

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Speaker 1: protect sensitive locations, stop racial profiling, uphold use of force standards.

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Speaker 1: Are these controversial or could they end up in a

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Speaker 1: piece of legislation.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of them actually will hinder their

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Speaker 3: ability to do their job, which is to actually get

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Speaker 3: these individuals aside from the body cameras body cameras. I

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Speaker 3: know a lot of Republicans are against them. I do

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Speaker 3: support it, and I support it why because it tells

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Speaker 3: the whole story. And we have them an NYPD, And

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Speaker 3: I was a skeptic of them in the very beginning

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Speaker 3: when this became a law on the state level, and

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Speaker 3: I was a state legislator at the time. But the

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Speaker 3: unions even support them, and the officers support them. And

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Speaker 3: why because it tells the full story. And that's important,

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Speaker 3: right because most of the time, if not all the time,

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Speaker 3: these officers are actually following the book. They're following the

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Speaker 3: And if the camera tells the full story, it helps

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Speaker 3: clear their names and can really put a lot to rest.

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Speaker 3: And so I think that that is one where I

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Speaker 3: but some of the others. A judicial warrant is an

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Speaker 3: issue simply because the time it's going to take to

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Speaker 3: the operations. I mean, if you have a murderer, you

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Speaker 3: know that you're trying to get or any type of

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Speaker 3: do all these things I think could be a real

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Speaker 3: complication and hinder the operations the masks. You know, if

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Speaker 3: agitators are are disrupting, and that could be avoided if

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Speaker 3: there was just some more cooperation with these these sanctuary cities.

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Speaker 3: So I think there's Look, I think there's going to

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Speaker 3: be some type of compromise. There needs to be because

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Speaker 3: you need those sixty votes in the Senate, and it's

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Speaker 3: going to have to be a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: give and take. And I think that there's some common ground,

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Speaker 3: maybe not necessarily with the enforcement, some stuff with the enforcement,

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Speaker 3: but I would say, what about just regular immigration policy.

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Speaker 3: I've been pushing the administration to approve the backlog of

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Speaker 3: renewals for work authorization. This is a big issue, not

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Speaker 3: just in my district, across the country. Employers who rely

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Speaker 3: on these people for employees, they're filling an economic need,

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Speaker 3: They're contributing to our society. They don't have any work

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Speaker 3: in criminal history, they're paying taxes, they're losing their status

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Speaker 3: because of the lag and the time that it's taking

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Speaker 3: to approve these work authorization renewals. They lose their job

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Speaker 3: as a result, and the employer loses a good worker.

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Speaker 3: So if we can just make some progress in some

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Speaker 3: of that stuff, it shows compassion from the administration. It

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Speaker 3: helps our economy, and it helps these people who are

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Speaker 3: here trying to find a better lives.

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Speaker 2: Is a big deal for our audience as an issue.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we can avoid a shutdown next Friday?

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Speaker 1: Does there need to be another cr before we move

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Speaker 1: on to some other issues.

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Speaker 3: So there won't be a shutdown?

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Speaker 2: It's just the Home Security.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I hope not. I mean, I hope the

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Speaker 3: Democrats recognize here that when they mess with the Department

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Speaker 3: of Homeland Security, it's not just ICE. In fact, ICE

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Speaker 3: has the resources from kind of the irony. Yeah, ICE

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Speaker 3: has the resources. You're shutting down the TSA airport screening

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Speaker 3: and flight security. You're shutting down counter terrorism, cybersecurity programs

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Speaker 3: and coast Guard. You know, these are important operations that

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Speaker 3: need you know, don't mess with our homeland security and

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Speaker 3: especially these legislative leaders. They're from New York. Schumer and

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey should know better than to try to play politics

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Speaker 3: with homeland security. So I do hope that there's some

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Speaker 3: compromise here, we get to a resolution so there won't

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Speaker 3: be a lapse in funding for all those other critical

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Speaker 3: agencies under Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 2: FEMA is in that group, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked to see seventeen people have died in

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Speaker 1: New York from freezing cold weather, and this has been

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Speaker 1: one heck of a winter. Congresswoman, another cold front is

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Speaker 1: coming this weekend. Though.

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Speaker 2: Is Mayor Mombani on top.

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Speaker 3: Of this, I hope he's, you know, it seems like

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Speaker 3: he's doing some on the job training. I hope he's

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Speaker 3: paying attention to how this first storm went, what happened there.

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Speaker 3: That change in policy to not remove people who are

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Speaker 3: homeless from the streets in these frigid weathers was obviously

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Speaker 3: a deadly mistake. Mayors in the past have always proactively

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Speaker 3: sought shelter for those individuals, and there's no reason why

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't be able to do that. Remember, we had

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Speaker 3: all these migrants in luxury hotel rooms at taxpayer expense.

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Speaker 3: There's no reason why you can't help these individuals. And

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Speaker 3: a lot of them are mentally ill. They don't know,

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Speaker 3: that we're seeing in terms of garbage piling up all

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Speaker 3: over the streets of New York City. That's not common.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's not common. You know, maybe some of

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Speaker 3: his advocates are saying, well, it's a snowstorm, that's what happens. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: he needs to put resources back into the basic services

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Speaker 3: that people deserve. He's cutting over time for our public

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Speaker 3: safety officers. He's not putting the resources necessary to get

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Speaker 3: I hope he's learning for this, learning from this, and

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Speaker 3: adjusting as we go along.

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Speaker 1: Well, in our remaining moment here, I had to note

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Speaker 1: that he has now endorsed Kathy Hockel's reelection campaign with

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Speaker 1: the Adrian Adams. What does Bruce Blakeman need to do

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Speaker 1: to be the first Republican in about two decades to

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Speaker 1: win that seat?

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Speaker 3: I think Bruce needs to remind everyone the radical positions

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Speaker 3: that these two individuals have taken. Not only did they

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Speaker 3: support the bail law that was disastrous and led to

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Speaker 3: crime skyrocketing, but Adrian Adams in particular, I mean she

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Speaker 3: voted for she was a co sponsor of non citizen voting,

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Speaker 3: which is a law that we went to court and

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Speaker 3: we stopped from taking effect, thankfully. But she also voted

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Speaker 3: to defund the NYPD by a billion dollars, tie the

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Speaker 3: hands of our NYPD officers, voted to increase the property

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Speaker 3: tax levy year after year. So I would say that

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Speaker 3: but these are radical positions that are hurting the cost

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Speaker 3: of living and making it much less affordable in New

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Speaker 3: York City to live, particularly for our middle class. And

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Speaker 3: they've made us less safe. Now we've seen some crime

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Speaker 3: come down, it's a result of President Trump. People need

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Speaker 3: to recognize that he's deported criminals, He's put pressure on

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Speaker 3: these municipalities. That's why New York City is safer today

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Speaker 3: than it was just a little over a year ago.

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Speaker 2: I know your new congressional map is due tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Come back and talk to us next time about what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen with your district.

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Speaker 3: We hope to keep our map as is, because this

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Speaker 3: is a grab by the Democrats who try to take

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Speaker 3: the only Republican voice in New York City.

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Speaker 2: Nicole Malia Takis from New York