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Speaker 3: He didn't choke, but it's very clear to see like Kyrie, No,

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Speaker 3: they don't. I don't know they win the title anyways,

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Speaker 1: He got a huge extension. Are you making fifteen million

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Speaker 3: Yes, And so it's just different. So I think I

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Speaker 3: lot of coaches in those moments. And again in the NBA,

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Speaker 3: Washington basically like really anyone I said of Luca right, Like,

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Speaker 3: So that's why I think it's it's so hard to

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Speaker 1: Well, you've been around these coaches on game day. In

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Speaker 3: I've never felt that as a player. Now, I think

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Speaker 3: Like there's certany times I've been in the huddle like that, Okay,

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Speaker 3: It matters to me, but not a lot. But then

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Speaker 3: He's an old school coach. He coached in you know,

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Speaker 3: It goes like a fight does whatever, and like you know,

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Speaker 3: where like they felt they had to say that to me,

428
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Speaker 3: and I was a you could talk to me, like

429
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Speaker 3: we get a conversation, you have to cuss me out.

430
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Speaker 3: I get to your point if you just talk. So

431
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Speaker 3: I think coaches sort of never got to a point

432
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Speaker 3: where I ever had to be yelled at that way.

433
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Speaker 3: And the one time I got yelled at that way,

434
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Speaker 3: I actually did what I was supposed to do, which

435
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Speaker 3: is the guy pushed me later and we started a

436
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Speaker 3: fighting practice.

437
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Speaker 1: That's what I think is the hard part about the

438
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Speaker 1: draft season for so many people to talk about it

439
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 1: like having seen both sides and listen, I love talking

440
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: about it as much as the next guy, But unless

441
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 1: you know the wiring of the guy like that is

442
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,479
Speaker 1: such a huge factor because most teams, like most players

443
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 1: in the NFL aren't doing things like Deebo Samuel or

444
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: Tyreek like most of the players are just solid guys,

445
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: like solid starters, and the intelligence how coaches, you know,

446
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: gravitate towards you how you act, just like, are you easy?

447
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't need to worry about you. Is something that

448
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: never gets talked about on the outside and gets talked

449
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Speaker 1: about all the time.

450
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Speaker 3: On the inside. You know, Yeah, I mean it's I

451
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 3: actually asked a college coach to this recently, like, how

452
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Speaker 3: do you recruit these kids because you know it's a

453
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Speaker 3: different time now with with college kids. He said, exactly

454
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Speaker 3: what you said. He goes, I try to understand who

455
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Speaker 3: they are because I need a certain type of guy

456
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Speaker 3: in my team. And that's the hardest part is figuring

457
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 3: out who the player is outside of football. I can

458
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Speaker 3: watch all these highlights. I know who they are as

459
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Speaker 3: a player, as a player on the field, But how

460
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Speaker 3: do I figure out if they're gonna fit in my

461
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: locker room? How I'm gonna figure out they're gonna be

462
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Speaker 3: able to fight and battle and clawn do things I

463
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Speaker 3: have to do or I have to get them, dude,

464
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Speaker 3: to win a championship. And yeah, like you don't you

465
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Speaker 3: don't know the makeup, but I will say it. I

466
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Speaker 3: mean all the background stuff now these guys do. I mean,

467
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Speaker 3: I feel like they sort of know, right.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean they yeah, they have a pretty good idea

469
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Speaker 1: I mean, and there's.

470
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Speaker 3: Very there's you know, you were I think you would

471
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Speaker 3: have been in Philly when when Watkins was drafted right

472
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Speaker 3: the offensive lineman.

473
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Speaker 1: But it's it's a bad intel on that one.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's but John, like it's I think it's

475
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Speaker 3: just hard to know. Like it's really like I I

476
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 3: think as much as you try to know, guys come

477
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Speaker 3: in the league and it's hard to play professional sports,

478
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 3: and some guys get they just break it is. It

479
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 3: is what it is. And you might think you know

480
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Speaker 3: and and then you don't. And but I certainly think

481
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Speaker 3: I always tell like young players, like my advice is

482
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Speaker 3: to basically just be liked, you know, like make sure

483
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Speaker 3: that people in the building like you, because that that

484
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 3: does go a long way. And the people in the

485
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 3: NFL talk like if you again, if you're a fringe

486
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Speaker 3: player and they like you, you might stick around a

487
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 3: little bit longer or they tell someone else, you know

488
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 3: then and if you're an asshole and you can't play

489
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Speaker 3: football here out of there immediately no one know. There

490
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Speaker 3: are guys you know this, there's players now that when

491
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Speaker 3: you when you think to yourself, like why is that

492
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 3: player not signed? They don't enough money personality, they don't

493
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Speaker 3: like their personality.

494
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Speaker 1: I think that's like good life advice. I would even

495
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Speaker 1: add b liked and try hard, Like if people feel

496
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Speaker 1: like you're giving everything you have and trying hard and

497
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Speaker 1: you're well liked, Like obviously you have, you know, to

498
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: get the NFL, you have to have the talent, but

499
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Speaker 1: you're gonna stick around longer than the guy. Yeah, we

500
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Speaker 1: kind of like him and we don't even think he's

501
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: working very hard because you know, like this time right now, right,

502
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: most teams have give or take forty days off. I

503
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Speaker 1: would imagine most, especially veteran guys, younger players who knows,

504
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: but like Christian McCaffrey's working out today, right, Patrick Mahomes

505
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: Like you just TJ Watt, you know, I mean this

506
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: is very very serious. How you take how you approach this.

507
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Speaker 3: Well, John, I find it so funny. I think guys

508
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: are doing it less and less now. But you see

509
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 3: players like be like rising grind in the off season.

510
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: I'm like Buddy Russ, job that your job is just

511
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 3: to work out, Like it ain't that hard, ain't that deep,

512
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 3: Like get your two hour workout in, get your recovery in,

513
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: eat right today and do it again tomorrow. Like I

514
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: just like, like, your job is your body, Like, this

515
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 3: is our job, right, You're supposed to work out, You're

516
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: supposed to eat well, let's take care of yourself. Yeah,

517
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 3: you can party a little bit. You enjoy the life

518
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: that you've created for yourself. But it's not that deep.

519
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: It's not like Rising Grind and like I'm in the

520
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 3: factory at six am, Like that's your actual job. That's

521
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: your job. Can you imagine? And if you were like

522
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 3: Rising Grind, you got to record a podcast, that's your

523
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: job is to record a podcast. It's not like so, yes,

524
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: our job is to make sure that that we train

525
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: to play football. And it does take a couple of

526
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 3: years to figure out what that path is, right, A

527
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: lot you know, as a young player, you know you

528
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Speaker 3: you feel great. As a young player, you don't think

529
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Speaker 3: you need any any help and you know, but as

530
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Speaker 3: you get older, you figure out you know your path.

531
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Speaker 3: You find a t and you like a workout facility,

532
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: you find a nutritionist you like or you know, some

533
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: sort of meal program, you find a react person you like,

534
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: and but you have to you have to put in

535
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 3: the work, right, I mean, I think a lot of

536
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 3: players figure that out as they go, because I think

537
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: a lot of us when we're young, like you think

538
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: you know, and then you have a year or you

539
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 3: have a game when you just get your your butt

540
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: kicked and you figure out like, oh that doesn't work,

541
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: I gotta try something else, and then the guys that

542
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 3: adapt the best figure it out.

543
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Speaker 1: I've heard you tell this story before, but obviously you

544
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Speaker 1: played for Andy Reid, your brother played for him for

545
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Speaker 1: a long time. Is like after a win or a loss,

546
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Speaker 1: you know all these stories about Belichick. The way he

547
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Speaker 1: handles his meetings cussing guys out and just being Andy

548
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Speaker 1: is would you say, pretty consistent and normal and not

549
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Speaker 1: a huge overreactor win or loose any game.

550
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Speaker 3: Dude, it's one minute team meetings. It's like the absolute best.

551
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Speaker 3: He has a note card. I have no card here,

552
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: just has a no card. He just like picks it

553
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: up and he goes that region too. That's it. Like

554
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: he reads off. He's like, all right, guys, well we

555
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: lost got you know, gotta play better next time. Talk

556
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 3: to your coaches about it. Okay, we got practice in

557
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: an hour. Tomorrow's off. Make sure you get your body

558
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: worked on, all right? Ready, break like that's it. That

559
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: was it. The longest meeting we ever had was the

560
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Speaker 3: first one of training camp, which is like the compliance media,

561
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: and then that was it. Like and that's why I

562
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: think players appreciate but Andy Reid, there's a lot of

563
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Speaker 3: things players appreciate, but it's the consistency, which the way

564
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 3: he handles his business right, and I think he treats

565
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: us like it sounds cliche, but like professionals, right, like

566
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: we know we lost, Like we know we lost John.

567
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 3: We no one wants to lose. Losing sucks no one.

568
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 3: That's that's the worst thing can happen in the building, right,

569
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 3: Like every everyone in the building is affected when you lose,

570
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Speaker 3: from the lowest person at the entire organization to the

571
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Speaker 3: general manager, the ownership. When everyone in that building is

572
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: depressed for days. If you lose, like it stings to lose.

573
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 3: We know that, we know that we had played poorly

574
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Speaker 3: or if someone made a mistake, like there's no point

575
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: in and look, there's different ways. Obviously the Belichick way

576
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: worked for so many years, but you know it only

577
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 3: works by the way if you win. If you lose

578
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 3: and you act like that, you lose your locker room immediately.

579
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: But Andy Reid was just very consistent with that message,

580
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: right like, we're gonna work. You know, he is a

581
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: I think a misconception, but Andy Reid is that he

582
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: works the players.

583
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: Man.

584
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Speaker 3: It's a little bit different now when different rules for

585
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: training camp and different rules for practice. But you know this, man,

586
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: when I got signed by the Chiefs of twenty thirteen,

587
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: we didn't have double this. I got a call from

588
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: a couple of Eagles I knew, and they're like, be ready, buddy,

589
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: be ready for training camp. I'm like, what do you

590
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 3: mean be ready? He goes, just just be ready for

591
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: training camp. And this is with single practices, and I

592
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: was like, and I got there. I had a couple

593
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: of I'm like, I text those guys like, yep, you

594
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: were right. Like and it's after he hits He's still

595
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: live tackles in practice and training camp, which like, can

596
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: you imagine if Kyle Shanahan live tackled in practice like

597
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: you and these guys. No, Andy Reid does goal he

598
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: does goal line live tackling drills in training camp. There's

599
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 3: the reason why their team starts fast every season, like

600
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: because they hit a training cap. He plays as starters

601
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: in the preseason, which some coaches would think it is

602
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: the dumbest thing of all time, But you know, he

603
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: he just he's very consistent on who he is. He

604
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: sticks to his word about what he tells us he's

605
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: going to do, and players really appreciate him for that.

606
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the misconception obviously he's people love him

607
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: players coach in the sense that he's relationship with guys.

608
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: But when it comes to practice, the other thing is

609
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: if you're on the fence, injured or not, like you

610
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: better be praxicing.

611
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: You know.

612
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well it's it's see. That is kind of

613
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: where they separate, not in the like Tom Coughlin, who

614
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: obviously is a very successful coach. His was his meeting

615
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: after a lost a little different vibe.

616
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he had longer team meetings though his were

617
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: like thirty minutes long, so it was it was always

618
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: a little different. He would sort of like to, you know,

619
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: go through the game and would show plays and whatnot

620
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: of bad things that happened. And you know, he wasn't

621
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Speaker 3: he didn't individually kind of call out players like Belichick.

622
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: That that's a very Belichick thing, like the individual call

623
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: out players. And you've heard Everyone turned stories about about

624
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: those those the locker rooms, in those meetings, but Cofflin

625
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: was was fire. He had long team meetings like thirty minutes.

626
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: Uh he did on Wednesdays, but you know his game

627
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: plan day he he basically was in charge of doing

628
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: the full scouting report. He got up in there and

629
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: told us everything about the team we were playing. Where

630
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: again Andy Reid left the law dout to his position coach.

631
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Speaker 3: It was probably why a lot of his coaches are

632
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: good or good NFL head coaches john because he gave

633
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: a lot of responsibilities to do that other coaches just

634
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: don't give their coaches. Yeah, Coughlin, couflin dude, he's he's

635
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: just so different than he is the media, like behind

636
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 3: the scenes man, just like a just most coaches are.

637
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: But it's very striking with Cofflin. You would hear him

638
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: talk to the media and then he talking to the

639
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: team and you meet with them individually. It was just

640
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: so different. I loved it. It was it was that

641
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: kind of side that you only saw in the locker room.

642
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Speaker 1: Isn't it funny that leading up to the draft, everyone's

643
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: like Chargers wide receiver. It's like, guys, have you followed

644
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: this man's career, Like, do you understand, Like they had

645
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: four guys to make decisions on. They figured out a

646
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: way to keep the two d linemen and got rid

647
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Speaker 1: of the two wide receivers. Jim Harbor is a quarterback

648
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: who thinks he's like a hybrid linebacker, pass rusher, offensive lineman.

649
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: He doesn't talk or operate like a quarterback. I go

650
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: back and forth, like, obviously they have high end guys

651
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: to get injured a lot, even with Max or Ma's

652
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: been a little more consistent. But Joey Bosa, if they

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Speaker 1: keep those guys, I do wonder if they're gonna be

654
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Speaker 1: I mean, are they a playoff team, because clearly he

655
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Speaker 1: wants to take a little pressure off justin I don't

656
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Speaker 1: I don't know if their running game is gonna be

657
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Speaker 1: good enough to do what he wants to do this year.

658
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Speaker 1: But they are clearly gonna be a lot better.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna be better because they're gonna just be way

660
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Speaker 3: more structured, you know, like they're gonna have structure about

661
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Speaker 3: the way they play. I felt like Staley at times.

662
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: I know you're not the biggest fan of Staley either,

663
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Speaker 3: Like it just felt very unstructured, right, like sort of

664
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Speaker 3: just guessing in those fourth downs, like there was no

665
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Speaker 3: rhyme or is into some of his decisions. And Harbor's

666
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: gonna have a structure to what he does. He's gonna

667
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: have a reason for everything. And part of playing for

668
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Speaker 3: Harbaugh is trusting him because he's won. But he's won everywhere.

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Speaker 3: He wanted San Diego, he wanted Stanford, he wanted it

670
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: with the forty nine Ers, he wanted Michigan, and so

671
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: there's a trust factor there with knowing that whatever he

672
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Speaker 3: tells you is gonna work because it has in the past.

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Speaker 3: The thing about the draft people have to understand this

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Speaker 3: sometimes is you sometimes have to look at at the

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Speaker 3: first round pick through the lens of the rest of

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Speaker 3: the draft.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So for the Chargers it was it was either like

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Speaker 3: Alt and Maconkey whoever was there, sort of top of

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Speaker 3: round two, or like Neighbors and the next best tackle

681
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: in the first and the end of the first you

682
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Speaker 3: mean the top of the second round, the next best

683
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: tackle was not very good at that point. Like the

684
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Speaker 3: tackles went in the first round and not gone the

685
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Speaker 3: third round, they're all gone. So like getting Joe Alt

686
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Speaker 3: and McConkey is better than neighbors and whoever you might

687
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Speaker 3: get top of the second round. Like you look at

688
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Speaker 3: the draft sometimes the way that teams have the board

689
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Speaker 3: stacked up right, So in two the wide receiver position.

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00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: Now you can find guys all through the draft like

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Speaker 3: fifth round, sixth round, fourth round, third, right, you don't

692
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: offensive line for the most part is a top round

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Speaker 3: guy like Joe Alt. You're not finding Joe Walt in

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Speaker 3: the third round. You're not, So it makes sense to

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Speaker 3: go off. It's a line there, and I think they're

696
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: gonna be just more consistent. But you're playing at the

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Speaker 3: AFC is just so tough man like. It's it's feels

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Speaker 3: tough for them to get maybe a seven seed, six

699
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Speaker 3: to seven seed at best. Are gonna look at there?

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Speaker 3: Are you think?

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Speaker 1: No? I'm saying you probably got to yeah, eleven to

702
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Speaker 1: feel good about your playoffs chance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't. I probably don't think they're they're

704
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: there in year one. I certainly think in year two

705
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: and three and four move forward, they're just gonna be

706
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Speaker 3: again a lot more consistent.

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Speaker 1: My thing with Alt and just tack general and you

708
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Speaker 1: and I text about this. Guys that are that tall.

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Speaker 1: It can be difficult. But I I texted with a

710
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Speaker 1: buddy who was drafted in the top ten and they

711
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: worked him out. He's like, I'm telling you, this guy

712
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Speaker 1: so athletic and ben, we don't think it's an issue

713
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Speaker 1: at all. And to me, if Harball loves him, might

714
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Speaker 1: maybe just this individual doesn't bother me as much. Probably

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Speaker 1: falls under more Colton Miller. Tall guy, but such a

716
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Speaker 1: good athlete. And this guy's a better player coming out

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Speaker 1: of college than Colton Miller. Clearly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the tall thing is sort of interesting. My buddy,

719
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Speaker 3: dude Manyweather, who turns off into alignment be'st kuy in

720
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Speaker 3: the country to do so in Dallas, he talks about

721
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Speaker 3: it like hip height rather than just like overall height

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Speaker 3: of the player, right, Like what what hip pipe do

723
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: they play at? Right? So like are they you know,

724
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: because that obviously means a lot, you know, we hear like,

725
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: you know, wastebender, knee bender, right, So like just hiphipe.

726
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: If a guy Joe All plays, when he plays, his

727
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: hips are in a good height for his body size.

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Speaker 3: He's not too high, not too where his helmet is correct, Yeah,

729
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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. The thing about big tall players like

730
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Speaker 3: him too, that it's really tough for evaluators. I had

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Speaker 3: this conversation with with people as well. It's like, when

732
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Speaker 3: you're that big, you're not explosive on film. You're just not.

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Speaker 3: His arms and legs are so long that he's not

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Speaker 3: going to be a violent puncher. He's just that's not

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Speaker 3: who he is. And even though something about the tallest

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Speaker 3: players like Colin Miller is not a violent puncher type

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Speaker 3: of guy. Even a guy like John Ogden, like guy

738
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Speaker 3: six ' nine, he wasn't a guy when you watch

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Speaker 3: him play and you're like that guy punches a hole

740
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 3: through a guy he was, Yeah, he just was like ooom,

741
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: like when his hands were on you, like you were

742
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Speaker 3: done right. And so Alt is not going to be

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Speaker 3: a guy when you watch him play and think like, man,

744
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Speaker 3: that's an explosive puncher because he's too long to be

745
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Speaker 3: to be that explosive. But he is though right he

746
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 3: tested well, he's really good at run blocking, like he's

747
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Speaker 3: going to be a good football player for them and now,

748
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Speaker 3: and I think for the Chargers too, Like you look

749
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Speaker 3: at you're now set at both your tackle spots for

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Speaker 3: twelve years. That's a big benefit to know that you

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Speaker 3: have with Slater and with All Now that position is

752
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 3: no longer one you have to worry about. That's a

753
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: big bonus for them.

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Speaker 1: There is some projection though, when you take a guy

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00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: like he's a lifetime and you know, different footwork on

756
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Speaker 1: different sides. Some guys, like the dude at Oregon State

757
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: put him anywhere. Some guys have played multiple positions. This

758
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: guy is a lifetime left tackle. Yeah, and I can

759
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Speaker 1: imagine in so far in OTA's they've moved him at

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Speaker 1: right tackle. I guess Slater's done both. He did both

761
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: in college. Right.

762
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, he played right tackle on college.

763
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Speaker 1: So you at least in the back of your mind. No,

764
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Speaker 1: And obviously, like if you ask Trent Williams to play

765
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Speaker 1: right tackle, I'm sure he'd be fine. Like, obviously there

766
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Speaker 1: are guys that can do it that haven't done it,

767
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Speaker 1: But I there is just risk involved whenever you do that.

768
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Speaker 1: I'm not specifically talking about all, just in general. When

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Speaker 1: you kind of think like that with left and right tackles, right, oh,

770
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Speaker 1: I think so.

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Speaker 3: And there are guys that just can't do it, Like

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Speaker 3: I could not play left guard right guard. Right tackle

773
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 3: not a problem like left guard. The left side just

774
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: couldn't do it. There are guys that do it much

775
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: easier that they are able to just figure it out.

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Speaker 3: The thing that I think you would look forward with

777
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: alt is his thought says in his top notes, Right,

778
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: so you can you can move them over there. But

779
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: he also has not played a lot of football. Right.

780
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: His dad specifically did not want him to play football,

781
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: and then he realized, like at some point, like I

782
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: gotta let him play. Like he's still relatively new to

783
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: playing football. So he has now he's played left tackles

784
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Speaker 3: since he was, you know, thirteen years old. He has

785
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: he's seen in high school. Yeah, he sort of like

786
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: grew into that position. So I think you can make

787
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: the case that there's a lot of room for him

788
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 3: to go. I would not move Rashaun Slater, by the way,

789
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: like you have an all pro left tackle, Like leave

790
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: him as an all pro left tackle and then just

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00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: sort of figure out, Oh and look when you have

792
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Speaker 3: you got like Slater too, John, you could put all

793
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Speaker 3: the right tackle then help out help him out, like

794
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 3: you know, you left tackles done with help the right

795
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: tackle out. He give him chips, give him tight ends,

796
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: give him formational help, and you don't have to worry

797
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: about now Slayer's playing a new position. Now all's rookie,

798
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: and just leave Slater where he is, he said, at

799
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Speaker 3: left tackle, and then just help out the rookie right tackle.

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Speaker 1: You know, Trent and Lane are older, but who would

801
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: you say, like under thirty twenty eight is the best

802
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL.

803
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: Oh, paday Seul, that's not I don't think it's even

804
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: a question. He is the gonna be a he's my

805
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: guy obviously from Oregon, but he's probably gonna be a

806
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. But it's all like, it's the way

807
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: he's going right now, Johnny, he's he just turned twenty

808
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: three or he's gonna turn twenty fourth during the season,

809
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 3: I think, which is what He won the Alan Trophy

810
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: at eighteen years old. Jesus, he's twenty. He's twenty three

811
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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy.

813
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: He won he won Alan Trophy part of that year

814
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Speaker 3: he was eighteen years old, because he turns he turned nineteen,

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Speaker 3: I think in in UH in twenty nineteen. He came

816
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: in the NFL his third years already in all pro

817
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 3: UH and in his third season he's a two time

818
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 3: Pro bowler. Like he's just gonna be good forever because

819
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 3: that's that's what he is as a player. So he's

820
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: the guy to me that you look up and you

821
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Speaker 3: know it's twenty thirty and he's made the All Pro

822
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: Team for seven straight seasons. And I think right tackles

823
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: have historically not been Hall of famers. I think actually,

824
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: with PFF helping to give contexts and stats to offense

825
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 3: a line plan, we're going to see Lane Johnson for sure.

826
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a Hall of Famer. Willie Anderson should

827
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Speaker 3: get in. He hasn't been in yet. We're gonna now see.

828
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Speaker 3: I think more right tackles get a chance to be

829
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Speaker 3: Hall of famers, where they really has never been the

830
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: case before. There's a couple in there, but for the

831
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: most part had to be left tackle.

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Speaker 1: Nye Sewell just got eighty five million dollars guaranteed in

833
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Speaker 1: one hundred and twelve million dollars making.

834
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Speaker 3: Oh dude, dude, he dude, he's he's going to be

835
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Speaker 3: up for a second contract by twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty wild. You're a big Oregon guy. And after

837
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Speaker 1: Bo Nicks and everyone had a take, I just went

838
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: and watched. I mean, obviously you watch every game, and

839
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Speaker 1: I watched majority organ games, but just went back and

840
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: watched some cutups on YouTube. Actually kind of reminded me

841
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Speaker 1: a little bit if you went that way back to

842
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Speaker 1: like when Jimmy was coming out, or even Derek at

843
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: Fresno State. Like athleticism, the accuracy, but the offense was

844
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's not what he's going to run specifically

845
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: in the pros. But look at back those guys. You know, Derek,

846
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: we could argue about him all day long, but Jimmy

847
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: when he was younger, was a really good player. Like

848
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Speaker 1: I think bo Nicks is going to probably be pretty

849
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: good for Sean Payton.

850
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Speaker 3: So my comp for bo Nicks was like a more

851
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 3: athletic Derek Carr, which might bother people, but that's sort

852
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 3: of what I thought about him. The one thing about

853
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: about Nicks that I think is the misconception. It's really

854
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 3: two things, but tie into one is this idea of

855
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: like he checks down all the time. There's a stat

856
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Speaker 3: I saw like he had a thousand yards of passing

857
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: yards of you know, balls behind the line, screamage essentially,

858
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: And I went back and looked in five plays total

859
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: kount of for twenty percent of that number, and two

860
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: of them were like we're actually run plays that were

861
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: considered pass plays because where the ball was handed off,

862
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: and one was like a seventy five yard screen Like

863
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 3: that's not his fault, you know, like you can't do

864
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: anything about if a guy runs for for CERTI five here.

865
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: So a lot a lot of those those numbers can

866
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: be misleading the organ passing attack when it's just a

867
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: regular passing attack, when it's out of play action, out

868
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: of at a sort of at times of RPO stuff.

869
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 3: It's actually very pro style. There's a lot of West

870
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: Coast concepts to what they do. If you watch kind

871
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: of intently on sort of you know, they form that

872
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: triangle when you throw, so like there's always kind of

873
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: a three read triangle for him, although there's a lot

874
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: of empty stuff too, which he'll have to do in

875
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: the NFL, which he was very comfortable with. But I

876
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: don't see that like Caleb Williams upside right, Like, I

877
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 3: think that's the hard part about drafting these quarterbacks. You're

878
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: sort of stuck right, Like you need a young quarterback

879
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: bo Nicks. If he's Derek Carr, you're probably happy about

880
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: his career until you get tired of of sort of

881
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: not winning. I think to the level you want to

882
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: win at, and that's hard because you know Caleb Boys,

883
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be incredible, and Bonus is just

884
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: not gonna ever be quite that good. And that's just

885
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: sort of how it goes from the quarterback position. I

886
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: think Bunet's gonna be good, but he's never gonna be

887
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: a Pro bowl er, probably not. I mean, that's feels

888
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: unlikely to me.

889
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: The reality, too, is when these guys evaluated and Andy

890
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: told me when they did Mahomes and Sean Payton, I

891
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: I watched an interview he said this, we just out

892
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: of our cutups, we just remove those passes, like we

893
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: don't want, yeah, that pass behind the lines. So it's

894
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: people like, well he throws, yeah, we don't care as

895
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: long as he's hitting those guys we know accurately. Fine,

896
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: Like we're not evaluating those plays correct, so it's like

897
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: we're not like, yeah, we understand he can throw behind

898
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, which you're gonna need to do

899
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: sometimes in the pros. Maybe not all that play, but

900
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: wheel routes check downs, like you do need to be

901
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: accurate on that play. Why do a lot of players,

902
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, bust Obviously they struggle down the field not

903
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: reading stuff, but they also they get frazzled and then

904
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: they fuck up the layup. Yeah right, I mean how

905
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: many players have we seen with like sweet traits that

906
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: like once they get frazzled they have tomp it down

907
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: to their running back or air mailing it to the trainer.

908
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like their foot what's all footwork?

909
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: Right?

910
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: Their footwork on the back foot and they're just not

911
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 3: I said there were plays bo Nicks made where there

912
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: was one against the US. He had a touchdown where

913
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: sort of everyone just cleared out and he's like, cool,

914
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: I throw the running back. No one's in. That's a

915
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: that's a smart decision. And he's not Patrick Mahomes obviously,

916
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: But Mahomes has gotten better because he's decided to take

917
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: those layups. He's like, cool, you want to give me

918
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: four yards, five yeards, six yards, I'll take it. Great.

919
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 3: Now he can make special plays at Bois will never

920
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: be able to make. But Nix is not. I think

921
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: nix Is give me a better pro than Michael Pennox,

922
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: for example. That doesn't mean he's going to be again

923
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: an All pro, but I think he'll be very serviceable

924
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: for many years.

925
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think the Atlanta Falcons are like I think

926
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: that's got disaster written all over it, a ton of pressure,

927
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: cousins coming off, the injury, the weird Penix thing, everything.

928
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: And I told you this last time we talked. Everyone's

929
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: picking them to win the Vision. I'm just strictly not

930
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: partly out of like everyone's doing it. Everyone's hanging the left.

931
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang it right. But also, this team has

932
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 1: been winning seven games for three straight years. We hype

933
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: up their talents and they didn't just hire Vrabel or

934
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, Tomlin got fired and they hired him like

935
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: a guy. Okay, we know he knows what he's doing.

936
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: Rahee Morris well liked clearly a solid defensive coordinator, awesome

937
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: to have on your staff. We have no clue what

938
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: he's going to be as a head coach.

939
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, none.

940
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: Division's not great, but and I'm not saying they're gonna suck,

941
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: but it will not shock me if all of a

942
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: sudden we look up and you know Bucks are ten

943
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: and seven, and they're nine and eight or eight nine,

944
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: they've missed the playoffs.

945
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: Well, I make a rule to never bet on the

946
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: Falcons for anything, because I just I lose every wager

947
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 3: anytime I ever want to bet on on the Falcons

948
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: for anything. I think it's John. It's mostly about just

949
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: division not being great. But Tampa Bay returns a lot,

950
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: and they won the division last year. From correct right, like,

951
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: they're not about football team. They're not winning, they're not

952
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 3: winning a Super Bowl, but they're not They're not They're

953
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: not a bad football team. The Panthers should be better

954
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: just by default of I think, just different coach and

955
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: different players.

956
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: I don't.

957
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm not high in the Saints, uh, for the reasons

958
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: we don't not high on teams. I don't like love

959
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: the coach and I don't love the quarterback, but the Falcons.

960
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: The thing with with with the Michael Pennex is people

961
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: talk about distractions, like what is the distraction in the

962
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: locker room? A distraction is it's sort of the simple

963
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: ast but like anything that takes away from the preparation

964
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: of your game every week, and when Cousins has a

965
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 3: bad game, which is gonna do at some point Monday

966
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: morning's gonna have open locker room. John, people are gonna

967
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: walk up to Kyle Pitts and say, should Michael Penix

968
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 3: be playing? Should? You know? Should is there a quarterback change?

969
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: You're gonna ask to ask Morris? Should you can? Cousin's

970
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: gonna keep a job. But that's a distraction, John, when

971
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: you're talking about something that has nothing to do with

972
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: winning and losing during that current week. And that's the

973
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: thing with Pennex and it's just the Falcon's reasoning was

974
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: was right, like if everything goes but we just want

975
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: to play it for four or five years, then why

976
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: did draft them with the first two? You have other

977
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 3: holes on your team. It doesn't feel like it's gonna

978
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: end up going well for them.

979
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: See. To me, that's the crazy part about college football

980
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: because like now with the transfer portal, at least in

981
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: the NFL, like guys are in a contract kind of stuck.

982
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: When things are going in college, it's like I'm out,

983
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: you know, do some of these locker room dynamics. It's

984
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: easy if you're rolling like Ohio State or Georgia or Obama.

985
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: But the majority of teams, even the good teams like

986
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: LSU nine and three teams, you get some rocky times,

987
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the year where guys like fuck it.

988
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: I'll just I'm gonna go to Ohio State next year.

989
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: It's got to be pretty wild Internally.

990
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: I don't know how these college coaches do it, man,

991
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: I don't know how they do it because I have friends,

992
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: you know, all over the spectrum, right from obviously I'm

993
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: close with the Oregon staff, but knowing guys at other

994
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: our five schools. UH known a couple of coaches on

995
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 3: the on the G five level. You know, it's about

996
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: more than anything else, right now, Like money, John, right,

997
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: Like can you can you have an an il program

998
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: that keeps players around? Because as soon as someone plays well,

999
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: you know they're getting tampered with, right They're getting talked

1000
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: to you behind the scenes, and people are trying to

1001
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: approach these guys, and you want to be able to

1002
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: keep them. And so do you have the money to

1003
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: keep these players? I think the money is far less

1004
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: than we think it is. I don't really. I know

1005
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: numbers get reported out and there's certainly Jada Rashada, you know,

1006
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: number and and and lawsuit. That's not I think a

1007
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: lot of players are dealing is that the.

1008
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: Is that the fakest number, Like you should have reflagged

1009
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: that someone in his life, his dad like this can't

1010
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: be real.

1011
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I The other one that people have mentioned is

1012
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: the one for Nikio the quarterback to Tennessee. It was

1013
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: like eight million dollars. I know what guys at organ

1014
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: were sort of again last year it wasn't eight million dollars.

1015
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: It's a it's a it's a lot. So these coaches.

1016
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: The the difficult part I think for for coaches is

1017
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: basically designing a practice plan and a reps plan to

1018
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: keep players from transferring because you have to basically make

1019
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: sure John that players feel like they're gonna play you.

1020
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: The thing about the portal too, is is we talk

1021
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: about the high end talent. Certainly there's high in talent

1022
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 3: everywhere and those are going to certain schools, but the

1023
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: portal is not good because for your team, I mean,

1024
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: for the most part, you need depth on your team.

1025
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 3: Right If your depth pieces are transferring out, then that's

1026
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: a huge problem for you. And so you have to

1027
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 3: design a practice plan any all the position go just

1028
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: to make sure that players feel like they have a

1029
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: chance to play when they don't have a chance to play.

1030
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: And it's a different dynamic. You know, when when I

1031
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: was going through when you were with Pat Hall FRESNS

1032
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: date did it give a shit? Oh you suck. You're

1033
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: not gonna get any reps in practice? Like who cares,

1034
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: You're not going anywhere. But now you can't treat players

1035
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: like that because they're just gonna pack them a go

1036
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: to the portal and you need to have a too

1037
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 3: deep to be competitive, you know, thirst from Guya leaves

1038
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: like whatever, who cares. So that's the hard part about

1039
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: the portal of the portal for the coaches, And I

1040
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: think that's why a lot of coaches are just like

1041
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: I'm out of here right, Like I don't want to

1042
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: deal with older coaches. I just don't want to deal

1043
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: with having to caddle players that aren't going to play

1044
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 3: to make sure they don't leave. So if they have

1045
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: to play at some point this season, I have to

1046
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: make sure that I'm you know, they're they're ready to,

1047
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 3: you know, feel like like they're loved in the program.

1048
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: Would that be the thing? Like forever you know, Oregon,

1049
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: you guys play Fresno State, Boise State programs like that. Obviously,

1050
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: now Oregon State, who's not in the conference. Obviously those

1051
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: teams get paid to play Oregon. And it's a big

1052
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: deal for their program. But Boise State and Fresno State

1053
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: are gonna have a player or two that that Dan

1054
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: Landy's like, damn, I like that linebacker or that slot receiver.

1055
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: That'd be my first call. And what's that kid? How

1056
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: could that kid say no after the season. Yeah, those

1057
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: schools have no chance. They're like a feat They're like

1058
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: the Tampa Day raise for the Yankees.

1059
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 3: Which is why. And that was important because the Boise

1060
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: State running back this year is really good and he

1061
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: got a bunch of schools that called them. He's stayed

1062
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: in boys, he got got a big we got a

1063
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: big NL deal to stay. You know, a lot of

1064
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: times it's not about the most money. It's just about

1065
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: feeling loved. Right if you feel like you're a Fresno

1066
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: you're a Boise State, and you're Oregon State now Washington State,

1067
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 3: you just want to feel a little bit of love.

1068
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sure you have to go anywhere for the money,

1069
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: but look, there are players that leave those schools that

1070
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: have spent three or four years there that just want

1071
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: to go get a paycheck for one year. Like That's

1072
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 3: that's what the transferorportal has become now, which is totally fine.

1073
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 3: I I don't, to be fair, I don't. I never

1074
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: really liked the portal. I get the idea of like

1075
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: why it became a thing, John, but it wasn't intended

1076
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: for this, even though we all knew it was gonna happen.

1077
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: I me it was intended for just guys to be

1078
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: able to free the transer that weren't playing. It was intend.

1079
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: I just saw it to a Twitter report or or

1080
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: a coach Leaves, Yeah, our coach Leaves. I saw a

1081
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 3: report Caleb Downs who was number one safety like two

1082
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 3: years ago in high school recruiting and transferred from Alabama

1083
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: to Ohio State. Like they haven't. They're putting them a

1084
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: running back in practice supposedly, who knows. I mean that.

1085
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: I feel like Ellie is probably he's so happy to

1086
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: allow State just like play running back, buddy. Sure, I

1087
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: don't have to be head coach. Great and uh, but

1088
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 3: like that type of player. I know Nick Sabing left

1089
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 3: so but like that guy's not supposed to leave your school,

1090
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: right A five star that was playing was like he

1091
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: wasn't playing that. You know, Dylan Gabriel is not supposed

1092
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: to be in his third schools. Organ's quarterback. That's not

1093
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: really what the portal is about. But that's when it

1094
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: came very quickly because there's no regulations, there's nothing, nothing,

1095
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: nothing that's gonna change, and players now are just sort

1096
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 3: of mercenaries and it's a really out dynamic. Like if

1097
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: if you spend four years, like there's a running back

1098
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: that left Orgon, Troy die No, Travis Dye. Travis Dye

1099
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 3: who Oregon fans love John He won a Rose Bull

1100
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 3: with Oregon, Like he went to USC for a year,

1101
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: unfortunately got hurt at the end of the season, but

1102
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 3: like he can't come back to Oregon. He's a USC grad.

1103
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: Now you gotta like it's gonna I think it's just

1104
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: sort of I think for some of those players, you

1105
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: like not burn your bridges, but you sort of discontinue

1106
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: your time with that team and all of a sudden

1107
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 3: that that's gone now and you spent one year in

1108
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: a program and I don't know, like do you feel

1109
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: that connection that program after spending six months there? You

1110
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: probably don't see.

1111
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: And I know coaches bitch and moan, but I think

1112
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: Gabriel is a good example because they have I forget

1113
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: the kid's name, but who's supposed to be their next

1114
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: like Kyler Murray or Baker Mayfield. I think they basically

1115
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: told him like this kid's playing, but then he comes

1116
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: there and dam Lanning gets the UCLA kid that they

1117
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: also wanted, the five star who was pretty terrible last year,

1118
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: but it was tough circumstances. Like let's use that as

1119
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: an example. I guess more, the five star can't transfer

1120
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: anymore like he used up his one bullet gun.

1121
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: No, they have you can transfer unlimited.

1122
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: Now seriously, Yeah, so how do you massage that relationship

1123
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: if he thinks he's better than Dylan Gabriel and training.

1124
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: Can n I l that's why, Yeah, that's what it is.

1125
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: But also too like so here's the thing about I

1126
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: think some of these programs like Oregon, Ohio, State, Georgia,

1127
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: and this is what goes back to what we talked about.

1128
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: I think at the beginning of the show, right, it

1129
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 3: is like, if you're coming to those schools, you understand

1130
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: you're you're not guaranteed the spot because the talent is

1131
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 3: so grand at those places. Now, so Dan Lanny has

1132
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 3: to find players, Ryan Day has to find Kirby has

1133
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: to find players that know that, right, like, you're not

1134
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: coming to our school and getting a free starting spot

1135
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: without earning your starting spot, and they're only taking players

1136
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 3: John that care about that. Have you notice not many

1137
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: players are leaving Georgia. I'm supposed to leave in Ohio State.

1138
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to leave in Oregon. If they are, it's

1139
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: mostly the coaches call processing right. They kind of like

1140
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: tell them like, you're not going to play small for

1141
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 3: someone else, please leave us. So they're they're taking Dante

1142
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 3: more and saying like, hey, buddy, look you can come here.

1143
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: We want you to come, but listen, you're not playing

1144
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: this season. You might play next year, but guess what,

1145
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 3: we have a five star freshman coming into and that's

1146
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: part of coming to school in Oregon. And I think

1147
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: those schools are honest with the players. I mean, it's

1148
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 3: it's prettying. Like Dante Moore was tough last year, bad situation,

1149
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: rotating quarterbacks, the Brune offensive line wasn't as good as

1150
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: been the past. If it wasn't the best offensive setup.

1151
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: I think he understands like too, like I was ready

1152
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: to play last year. I can benefit from from sitting

1153
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: in a year. And we're seeing players now go to

1154
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: the NFL with one year starting experience. It was never

1155
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: that way. He needed three years, four years of starting

1156
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: experience to be drafted in the first round. You need anyway.

1157
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: He gets to play one season next year and go

1158
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: eleven and two and be a first round draft pick.

1159
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 3: John So the dynamic of all that has changed now.

1160
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: And Georgia did too. They got Jada Mashonda from Arizona State,

1161
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: who played, who was five star kid? Who who now

1162
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: is gonna be a backup there? Oregon did it as well.

1163
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 3: Makes sense, right, Dalan Gabriel goes down, Your team is loaded.

1164
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: You want to have a viable backup. Carson Beck goes down.

1165
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 3: Georgia's team is loaded. You want a viable backup. And

1166
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 3: the nil stuff really keeps those players at those programs.

1167
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: I would be very hesitant. I think we've learned in

1168
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: recent memory of breaking the bank for the blue chip

1169
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: quarterback out of high school, and that's one thing that's

1170
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: been hacked. You guys did it with bo Nix, Washington

1171
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: did it with Panics. I mean, it's happened all over

1172
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: college football with the quarterback. Now, once they play a

1173
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: year and they want to transfer, you get a little

1174
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: film on them. Like more so, you've seen some things.

1175
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: You know we need to work on this. You have

1176
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: a much better feel for it. But like, Nebraska's getting

1177
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: a lot of credit right for Matt Rule, and Riola

1178
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: is supposed to be the greatest thing since slice spread.

1179
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: But we've all been around college football now for twenty

1180
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: plus years, and more than half of them never amount

1181
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: to shit, right or just underwhelmed given the hype, you know,

1182
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: and some of them become top ten picks. But you

1183
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: it's a coin flip.

1184
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: Well, that's why you recruit every year, right, you have

1185
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 3: to another foster every year. I like, real, I'm curious.

1186
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: Actually is interesting.

1187
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: It looks fantastic if he just watch his youtubes.

1188
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: Because Matt Rule in year two at Temple and Baylor

1189
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 3: had that those teams that eleven twelve wins in year

1190
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: two and so much tougher in the Big ten. I think,

1191
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 3: so we'll see. Yeah, Look, it's I think quarterback position

1192
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 3: feels like really the one that you're striking the most

1193
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 3: gold in the portal wide receiver a little bit as well,

1194
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of cornerback, but it's really hard

1195
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 3: in the trenches to find those players. There's only a

1196
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: couple you know, impact often to if it's a lineman

1197
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: a year in the portal, because those players just stay

1198
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: put at the school they're at. There's no reason to

1199
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: leave if you're that good. And so teams are i

1200
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 3: mean pivoting back to having to recruit high school players

1201
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: of those positions.

1202
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll get you out of here on this.

1203
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: Obviously a story from a couple of weeks ago. USC

1204
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: try to back out of the game. You know that

1205
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: their roster clearly is nowhere near the heyday that most

1206
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: of us that talk about USC go back to the

1207
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: mid two thousands and it's a different world. I mean,

1208
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: that team was no different than sabans Alabama. I mean

1209
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: they were having pros at every position that were getting drafted,

1210
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: not like just drafted, like in the top fifty at

1211
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: every position and then countless guys in the top twenty.

1212
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: So like, I don't have the breakdown of LSU's roster,

1213
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: but I think we can all acknowledge that that's got

1214
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: a chance to be pretty ugly. And I'm sorry, Like,

1215
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: this isn't year one, this is year three. And if

1216
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: you get rolled by Brian Kelly also in year three,

1217
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: who has the same excuses you do, new quarterback, new

1218
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. You're not playing at baton Rouge at night either.

1219
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: This game's in Vegas, which essentially should be a USC

1220
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: home game, right, Oh it will be.

1221
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: I mean that place will be full US defense. They

1222
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: didn't travel well and you put Vegas in there and

1223
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 3: out in Vegas. That's such a sports come up, man,

1224
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 3: Like that's crazy. Well, ten years ago is like a

1225
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 3: barren desert of sports. Now you have a hockey team there.

1226
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: You got a maybe I don't think actually the A's

1227
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: will ever show up, but you you had a football team,

1228
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: a hockey team, all this college action every year. Lincoln

1229
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: Riley and USC is a good example, John, of how

1230
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 3: the portal can go badly, very quickly for you. Right,

1231
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: the portal for a school at USC should only be

1232
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: used to enhance your roster at certain positions. It cannot

1233
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: be used as a way to build up your entire roster.

1234
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 3: And USC went so hard in the portal. And again

1235
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 3: those positions offensive line and defensive line. You don't find

1236
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: those all stars you really, it's really hard to find

1237
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: those guys. A lot of times. Those all stars, by

1238
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 3: the way, John, are in two categories one, they're injured, right,

1239
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 3: like Leatu latu u CLI's pass rusher was at Washington,

1240
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 3: he was medically retired and came back at UCLA. Or

1241
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 3: it's it's a lower level school kid, right organized a

1242
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: right tackle Cornelius from Rhode Island, like those guys.

1243
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: That are Jared Verse from Albany to Florida State.

1244
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like you know, they're under recruited, or they

1245
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 3: just have a gross spurt late and they played really

1246
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 3: well and they're like they should be in Division one

1247
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: but they're not, and boom you pop up. But like,

1248
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: if you're a second year offensive ligneman, you're transferring. Sorry,

1249
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: you're probably not pretty, you're probably not good, right, Like

1250
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: you're not and so USC got way too portal happy

1251
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: and looking. Riley is admitted like, yeah, we probably shouldn't

1252
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: have done that. It did not work out. But now

1253
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: you're in year three, John, and you're going back to

1254
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 3: high school recruiting, which I like us he's doing a

1255
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: better job in twenty twenty five cycle, but that's not now.

1256
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: You're like three years away from that coming to fruition

1257
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: like those players. So you're now you're looking at what

1258
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: twenty six by the time, like those interior players on office,

1259
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 3: if it's a line, they're like ready to like contribute

1260
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: a high level. And so they just are really behind

1261
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: right now with talent. I mean you look at I'm

1262
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 3: looking at the roster right now. I mean their center.

1263
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 3: Maybe NFL player player left tackles, a retro freshman, I

1264
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 3: think he can be that player. But like wide receiver,

1265
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: this thing about looking around these teams for years, Oklahoma

1266
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 3: first round wide receivers every year.

1267
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: Not right now.

1268
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 3: Maybe defense, we talked about Pete Carroll's teams. Their backups

1269
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 3: got drafted, their backups John that did not start got drafted. Okay,

1270
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: USC's defense, the two best players, really the three best

1271
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: players are transfers, which is funny. It's Bear Alexander who's good,

1272
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 3: I think, and the two kids of Oregon State, the

1273
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: linebacker and the corner are both brothers. Otherwise, again it's

1274
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: it's just a lot of like eh, but at USC,

1275
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 3: it shouldn't be that way. It's USC. You shouldn't be

1276
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,479
Speaker 3: like uhh yeah, like so, and even at quarterback, Miller

1277
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: Moss can be good. He played on the Bowl game

1278
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: Jaya and Myova. Maybe I think he's sin Sannio State transfer.

1279
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: That's a un l V transfer. Sorry, it's just the

1280
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: talent and us he is not what people expect it

1281
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 3: to be. Year one, they won with Caleb Williams, better

1282
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 3: skill guys in office. In their schedule, No Oregon, no Washington,

1283
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: Like they didn't have those guys to play last year.

1284
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: This year they had a much tougher schedule and they

1285
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 3: went they went seven and five, seven to five, right,

1286
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: So their win total, I think it's seven and a

1287
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: half in Vegas.

1288
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: And it was, and it was an ugly seven. I

1289
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: mean they easily could have lost Arizona. I mean they

1290
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: probably should have lost.

1291
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: That name double over time.

1292
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you could argue the day and age of

1293
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: what Pete did, even the probably first half of Sabin's

1294
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: so over with the transfer portal in Nil. I mean,

1295
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: look at now, I mean, how many teams have a

1296
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: legit chance to win the national championship this year? Seven?

1297
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I think if you look at you

1298
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 3: looking at like Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, I don't

1299
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 3: think Michigan's in that category right now, Florida.

1300
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: State, Clemson, Florida.

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01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't Clemson. I didn't have mass question

1302
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: marks at quarterback right with club necking Dju a quarterback.

1303
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 3: Florida State just lost the Michigan Law too much, of

1304
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 3: my opinion to be a competitor for for a championship.

1305
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: Look if Kilns a borr who's won everywhere he's at,

1306
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 3: I think you're looking at a guy who who can

1307
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: you know he's gonna do well. There's a couple of

1308
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 3: like teams.

1309
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: I think that LSU LSU would probably be pretty good.

1310
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: Old Miss is gonna be good. They went all in

1311
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: the portal this year too. Look, they're gonna be really good.

1312
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 3: They just haven't been able to kind of get out

1313
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 3: over that Georgia Alabama hump. They haven't been able to

1314
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 3: beat those teams. So they're one team I think. Seriously,

1315
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 3: look at No. One in the Big twelve. You know

1316
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 3: it feels like SEC or sort of Big ten championship

1317
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 3: this year. But yeah, not many teams in most seasons.

1318
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: I think our championship worthy.

1319
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: Why know this, if Lane gets the playoffs, which you know,

1320
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: if he goes nine to three or ten and two,

1321
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: he'll be there. He's got you know, he he from

1322
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: what I was told he wanted the Oregon job. Obviously

1323
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: he's got some off the field question marks in his past.

1324
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: They made the right decision with Dan Lanning, though Lane

1325
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: I think would have been fine too. I think he's

1326
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: got I think he's got Florida it and all over

1327
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: him as that disaster ins don't you that?

1328
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: Or yeah him or Jed Fish. They just Lane just

1329
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 3: seems to want out every year, right, He's just like,

1330
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: please get me out of please get me out of here. Yeah, Florida,

1331
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 3: could see that, Florida. And then everyone says Jeed Fish

1332
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 3: wants that job. But so everyone. I mean, I always

1333
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 3: love when the media says that, right John, like they

1334
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: want this job. Well yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah great,

1335
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 3: but he's got to do well. I think at Washington

1336
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 3: year one to have that job it yeah, it was

1337
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 3: yeah Lane, Lane's gonna I mean that team is. I

1338
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 3: don't think about their offense too. Look, I don't know

1339
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: if that's an offense that's like a championship winning style

1340
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 3: of offense that Lane runs old miss and scored a

1341
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 3: ton of points. But I feel like some of these

1342
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: teams can beat him up in the trenches, which is

1343
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 3: sort of not how you win championships obviously.

1344
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: To me, If he gets to the playoffs and were

1345
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: to win a game, that would be a remarkable achievement

1346
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: for all miss Oh yeah, I.

1347
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 3: Mean especially we're sort of again what they put in

1348
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 3: they put a lot of people's under the radar, like

1349
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 3: they've put a lot. Missouri actually might be pretty good too.

1350
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: It's kind of a sleeper SEC team. I think that

1351
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 3: that might have a little bit of just Penn State again,

1352
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 3: sort of the old missing like just can't beat Michigan

1353
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 3: in Ohio State and that sort of is important to

1354
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 3: winning the Big Ten. We're nine nine hours away now

1355
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 3: from college football being back nine nine ten something like that.

1356
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1357
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: If you gave Lincoln Riley Penn State's roster, USC might

1358
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: be a problem.

1359
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, especially on that defense.

1360
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'll let you get out of here. Jeff,

1361
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: have a good summer in Jace.

1362
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 3: Buddy.

1363
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: The Charlotte humidity and oh.

1364
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 3: It's coming one hundred this weekend Saturday and Sunday.

1365
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: Enjoy the pool.

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thank you, buddy. Take care the vine.