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Speaker 4: That's more like it uh, not a victory Monday.
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Speaker 4: Chris Beam in the back.
Speaker 5: I'm Kyle Yeoman's forty to forty.
Speaker 7: A monotone Monday, if you will.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a monotone Monday. That's a good one. The I've
Speaker 4: slept just a tiny bit, not a lot. It happened,
Speaker 4: and I still don't think I feel any better about
Speaker 4: what happened on the field at AD and T Stadium.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think you can feel better, right, there's
Speaker 7: no feeling good, there's no feeling bad. You're feeling mid
Speaker 7: it's a mid Monday, uh mid Monday. Absolutely, guys, first
Speaker 7: tie that I've experienced since a preseason game forever ago.
Speaker 7: And I was just a little kid basically watching the Cowboy.
Speaker 7: It's a young lad. What a weird it was a
Speaker 7: weird What a weird night. Yeah, what a weird night.
Speaker 3: Got a fun stat for you, hear from our News
Speaker 3: and Notes statistician Chris Beam in the back.
Speaker 5: Oh forty to forty Uh huh score.
Speaker 3: Agami, Yeah, I did see that. Not terribly shocking because
Speaker 3: you usually don't see eighty point games and in a tie.
Speaker 7: But nonetheless it's also the highest scoring or the second
Speaker 7: highest scoring game that ended in a tin in NFL
Speaker 7: history since nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 3: What was the hard to believe there's one? This higher story.
Speaker 7: Boston Patriots and Oakland Raiders combined for forty three tie.
Speaker 5: Oh interesting, not much.
Speaker 1: I would have thought that the Jeffersons would have at least.
Speaker 8: Had the Rochester get the Rochester back, if at least
Speaker 8: had at least one time they won all of their games.
Speaker 1: You know what, that makes sense? That's true that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was. Uh, it was quite a quite
Speaker 1: a ride.
Speaker 8: I was sitting here before the show looking at the
Speaker 8: win lost line graph on next Gen Stats, and that
Speaker 8: thing reads like cardiac rith uh. And for there to
Speaker 8: be no payoff after all of that is like, how
Speaker 8: are you supposed to feel?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 8: The reason I have the tie on today with the
Speaker 8: casual because I want the NFL to understand.
Speaker 1: You see how stupid this looks. Yeah, that that's how
Speaker 1: That's how you look right now. In NFL.
Speaker 8: You are a professional league and this is not soccer
Speaker 8: we're talking about.
Speaker 1: This is a professional American.
Speaker 7: Yeah, brother, I'm all for the soccerte.
Speaker 1: This is a professional and that's not even soccer. That's
Speaker 1: just what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Stray for soccer.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a shame because I love soccer.
Speaker 1: It's house hates.
Speaker 8: But soccer comes with an expectation that games can end
Speaker 8: and draw. But when it comes to football, American football,
Speaker 8: winner or loser.
Speaker 1: That's what we need. Hen football great again.
Speaker 5: It's funny that you bring this up in my in
Speaker 5: my life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in my notes here, I put a number of
Speaker 4: different bullet points. I said, impressed with the offense, but
Speaker 4: they weren't perfect. Unimpressed with the defense, but it wasn't
Speaker 4: all bad. You played it well enough to win the game,
Speaker 4: but you didn't. You made enough mistakes to lose the game,
Speaker 4: but you didn't.
Speaker 5: I think the.
Speaker 4: Only thing I can say for certain after watching that
Speaker 4: roller coaster of a game tonight, and this was written
Speaker 4: last night and rewatching it tomorrow morning, is that the
Speaker 4: NFL should change its overtime rules and officially take ties
Speaker 4: out of football.
Speaker 1: I do agree.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I can come away from that
Speaker 4: game and be completely satisfied with.
Speaker 7: If you ask Jerry Jones after the game, when they
Speaker 7: asked him, you know, what do you think? Tie is
Speaker 7: a tie?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 7: And he goes, That's that's the game.
Speaker 5: It is the game. It's the games that we have given.
Speaker 7: He didn't have any problem with it. He didn't sway
Speaker 7: either way. You just said that the game is the game.
Speaker 8: I can take a problem with it. The players. So
Speaker 8: we're walking around the locker room. I asked George Pickens,
Speaker 8: I asked Jake Ferguson. We're asking these players, and you
Speaker 8: got a combination of two answers. Number one that a
Speaker 8: lot of these players, if not all of them, have
Speaker 8: never been a part of a tie in a football game.
Speaker 8: And the other is that they didn't even realize that
Speaker 8: you could tie in football.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Pickings said that. He was like, I didn't even
Speaker 8: know what Jake Ferguson said.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know.
Speaker 5: It is kind of another problem.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's another problem, is that the information is not
Speaker 8: being disseminated, right, Jake said, and I quote Jake said,
Speaker 8: I could have gone another I could have gone another session,
Speaker 8: another quarter. Yeah, because the guys thought that that's what's
Speaker 8: going to happen. After Green Bay kicked that pick field,
Speaker 8: they thought they were going to have another shot at it.
Speaker 1: But no, they didn't.
Speaker 8: It was just a crazy game all the way down
Speaker 8: to the very last second and that and I mean
Speaker 8: that literally down to the very last second.
Speaker 7: You gotta let that man last second off the board.
Speaker 5: Many what are you doing?
Speaker 7: What are you?
Speaker 1: Advantage doesn't exist?
Speaker 7: Run the run the second, dude, Make the refs put
Speaker 7: the time back on.
Speaker 1: Sneeze.
Speaker 8: It's just accidentally during that what I miss game over.
Speaker 5: I think NFL officials run the clock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 7: That's a that's a home that's a home thing. The
Speaker 7: maybe in college home stadium is running, you know, but
Speaker 7: in that case, if there were more time the rest
Speaker 7: put the time back on. Don't leave, I mean leave
Speaker 7: it up to the to the you don't leave a second.
Speaker 4: Hard to believe that it have to go back and
Speaker 4: party deep in I think it'd be tough for that
Speaker 4: to happen. I would have to go deep in the
Speaker 4: by laws of the NFL to that, and I've never had.
Speaker 5: To figure that out. So, like you said, maybe we'll
Speaker 5: go search for that.
Speaker 3: It's roll like fifty six section A, Part one, Part B.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like down there somewhere.
Speaker 8: Of course, Samborn would be involved in the one second
Speaker 8: one second gait.
Speaker 3: Before you guys get too into that real quick, come
Speaker 3: back to the overtime thing. Yeah, I'm gonna play Devil's
Speaker 3: advocate here. I'm fine with ties. I'm fine with ties.
Speaker 3: I don't I understand what be okay?
Speaker 7: Well well yeah, well.
Speaker 3: I understand the competitive nature of oh, we need to
Speaker 3: decide a victor in this game, and I get it.
Speaker 3: I really do. Like last Night is a game where
Speaker 3: you look at it and you say, man, I really
Speaker 3: wish that this one would have just been decided one
Speaker 3: way or the other. But at the same time, you
Speaker 3: know the game's got to end eventually, and I think
Speaker 3: that if you're if you're looking at at that point
Speaker 3: of the game, there were three hours and forty five
Speaker 3: minutes into playing, So you're essentially asking these guys to
Speaker 3: play four US hours of football and that's just really
Speaker 3: not good for you in a seventeen week season where
Speaker 3: you know you're just continually going out there and getting
Speaker 3: beat up and getting beat up and getting beat up
Speaker 3: with how physical of the league this is. So I
Speaker 3: think it's it's better for the player's health. And I
Speaker 3: understand that not everybody feels the same way, and I
Speaker 3: think recency biased with how last night went it will
Speaker 3: play into it too. But I'm I'm totally fine with no, no,
Speaker 3: what what's that?
Speaker 1: This is the Isaiah hand raise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so finish your thought and then it's over.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I just, I just I'm fine with ties in the
Speaker 3: regular season.
Speaker 8: I have a problem with ties because I don't like
Speaker 8: participation trophies and that's what that felt like. But also
Speaker 8: I see your point about player safety, and I'll raise
Speaker 8: you Thursday night football.
Speaker 5: Dun dum.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I could sprinkle in a lot of other
Speaker 8: things like hey this, have them fly over to Germany
Speaker 8: and down to Brazil into Spain and then back and have.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 8: So and I'm not saying it's not fun. What I'm
Speaker 8: saying is, no one's going to sell me on a
Speaker 8: tie being okay because the league might view it as
Speaker 8: a player safety issue when they have so many other
Speaker 8: instances that I could point at and they're at least
Speaker 8: they're less concerned about player safety. So no, the tie
Speaker 8: is I'm not even saying that I would rather lose.
Speaker 8: So that's the that's the quix of the argument. Would
Speaker 8: you rather lose? Would you rather tie? I'd rather have
Speaker 8: an outcome that's definitive, That's what I would rather.
Speaker 7: I understand the point, and I understand what you're saying too,
Speaker 7: but I think in terms of storyline, in terms of
Speaker 7: like that, No, seriously, I'm with you. The cinematic view
Speaker 7: of the whole thing, A lot of people were coming
Speaker 7: in cinema, A lot of people were coming into the
Speaker 7: saying like, Okay, this is going to be that the
Speaker 7: this is going to test exactly how the trade went down.
Speaker 7: Who's the real winner, who's the real loser? For it
Speaker 7: to end in a tie is probably the most cinematic,
Speaker 7: ambiguous a twenty four asque ending that you could have,
Speaker 7: because it says time will tell this is this is
Speaker 7: not not the last time we're going to play Green Bay.
Speaker 7: This is not the last time we're going to play
Speaker 7: Green Bay in our stadium. Yeah, it's a rivalry that
Speaker 7: will stand the test of time for years and years
Speaker 7: and years to come. There's no end in sight for football.
Speaker 7: This is just a chapter in the epic storybook that
Speaker 7: is the Dallas Cowboys and the Green Bay Packers. For me,
Speaker 7: it's unfulfilling. It is an unrequited you know, destiny that
Speaker 7: you had right there in your hands. It didn't fall through,
Speaker 7: it slipped through your fingertips. But in the end, it's
Speaker 7: just like it's more ammunition for the next time you
Speaker 7: go out.
Speaker 8: And even to that point, I mean, your point is
Speaker 8: made on so many levels throughout this game, but I'll
Speaker 8: point out one particular thing. Who won the trade, the
Speaker 8: Packers or the Cowboys. You don't know, right, because it's
Speaker 8: still completely ambiguous, exactly down to the point of was
Speaker 8: that a sack by Michael?
Speaker 1: Was it not a sack by Mike? Exactly. That's how credit.
Speaker 5: I didn't think he was.
Speaker 4: I didn't think he was falling forward like two yards
Speaker 4: before the way.
Speaker 5: And I got to.
Speaker 7: Say, the guys who scripted this season of the NFL
Speaker 7: are cooking.
Speaker 8: All right, I'll make it one even better. NFL g
Speaker 8: took the sack away from Michaeh, did they? The NFL
Speaker 8: Jesus stood as the sack.
Speaker 4: So we get into the two different live stats updates.
Speaker 4: By the way, for those at home, did so. Yeah,
Speaker 4: both NFL officials.
Speaker 7: So if that's Micah's sack against the count like okay,
Speaker 7: like he can have that one. It's very anti climactic.
Speaker 4: Much like this game, it did save the game because
Speaker 4: if he doesn't make that play, I don't think Dak's
Speaker 4: getting taken down.
Speaker 5: I think he's running into the.
Speaker 1: I think that, I mean the defender had gotten.
Speaker 7: I don't think he gets it.
Speaker 4: With a full head of steam trying to push push
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott backwards.
Speaker 3: It would have been he would have if you if
Speaker 3: you get to say the one yard line, sure that
Speaker 3: would have been what third and goal from the one? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can think in yeah, that's a lot easier than
Speaker 3: third and goal from the three.
Speaker 1: So Ocean deck out of the backfield. Why Derek snap.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, you know that that
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons made a game changing play in the game,
Speaker 3: And you know, I think at the same time that
Speaker 3: you can give Dallas credit because for the most part
Speaker 3: he was a non factor all night. I think they
Speaker 3: had a really good plan for him.
Speaker 7: Date Thomas in the fourth.
Speaker 8: Nate Thomas, Tyler, Guyton, the chips from Jake Ferguson and yes,
Speaker 8: shouts out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Terrence Steele. Really, the tackles I thought played much
Speaker 3: better than this game as a whole, just went complete
Speaker 3: opposite of how I saw. I didn't think Dallas had
Speaker 3: a chance in this game. I thought Green Bay was
Speaker 3: going to run him out of the building. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: Brock Kauffman, TJ. Bass played well. The tackles though, really
Speaker 3: was what stood out to me, because Terrence still had
Speaker 3: a rough go of it last week in Chicago, so
Speaker 3: did Tyler guiding at times, they handled Michael Parsons very well.
Speaker 3: Sure they sent some help over that way, but even
Speaker 3: still when they were one on one, I thought they
Speaker 3: did a good job against Michael. I'm surprised that Green
Speaker 3: Bay didn't work Parsons more on the interior. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: surprised they didn't attack Bass and Hoffman with him.
Speaker 5: I thought so too.
Speaker 3: I think they would have had a lot more success
Speaker 3: had they did that.
Speaker 1: Maybe was bothering him.
Speaker 3: And then he did go to the medical tent for
Speaker 3: a little bit, but he said after the game it
Speaker 3: was because I think they pulled him to check if
Speaker 3: he had a concussion, but he said he was holding
Speaker 3: his back. I have no idea anymore. And then, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, not just Micah, but really that whole past rush.
Speaker 3: The Micah's sack was the only sack that they recorded
Speaker 3: all night. Yeah, so Rashawn Gary was held in check.
Speaker 3: Edrin Cooper, who I was super high on throughout the week,
Speaker 3: is you know, one of the best linebackers in football,
Speaker 3: young linebackers in football. Held him in check. And you know,
Speaker 3: really would have been just that one play at the
Speaker 3: goal line with when Dak took off if he if
Speaker 3: he's able to break through, you know that that's that's
Speaker 3: a big what if. But at the same time, what
Speaker 3: can you do?
Speaker 1: I got a bigger what if for you?
Speaker 8: What if this defense stops letting team five straight scoring drives?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's really where I want to take this
Speaker 4: going into the next two segments, because in a tie,
Speaker 4: there are good things and there are bad things.
Speaker 5: That's just plain and simple. It's gonna be that way
Speaker 5: whether you win or lose, too. But in this game,
Speaker 5: you've got kind of a split fan base.
Speaker 4: You've got a fan base that's excited that they didn't lose,
Speaker 4: but there's a fan base that said, you've got a
Speaker 4: chance like that to win the game, and you can
Speaker 4: put it on both the offense and on the defensive side.
Speaker 4: The defense gives up forty points and could not stop
Speaker 4: a nosebleed late in that football game with those five
Speaker 4: straight scoring drives where but on the offensive side, even
Speaker 4: though they put up forty points, they were put on
Speaker 4: the doorstep by one of the most incredible plays you've
Speaker 4: ever seen by Jalen Tolber toe drag catch inbounds down
Speaker 4: to the five yard line, first and goal. You've got
Speaker 4: all the momentum and based off of what we just
Speaker 4: talked about, the Micah Parsons quote unquote sack.
Speaker 5: Or whatever it ends up being, and then you don't
Speaker 5: get in. You have to kick a few and that
Speaker 5: opens the door for Green beta drive the length of
Speaker 5: the field.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of moments in this game, and
Speaker 4: we're going to relive a lot of them. Usually we
Speaker 4: split this up offense in the second segment, defense in
Speaker 4: the third segment.
Speaker 5: When we review a game, this is just the good,
Speaker 5: the bad, and the ugly.
Speaker 4: So when we come back, we're gonna talk a little
Speaker 4: bit about the bad. What happened that did not allow
Speaker 4: Dallas to win this football game. And it could be
Speaker 4: on the defensive side forty points, or could be on
Speaker 4: the offensive side. We'll talk about it when we come
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Speaker 5: You know it's funny.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at some of these comments Tommy about the ties,
Speaker 4: and I wanted to bring up a point there, kind
Speaker 4: of back you up on one half of your point.
Speaker 4: I still don't like ties and simple, I don't like
Speaker 4: them in any sport. I don't like them in any capacity.
Speaker 4: I would rather just have a winner or a loser. However,
Speaker 4: you did bring up a point of recency bias after
Speaker 4: a game like that where it's back and it's forth
Speaker 4: and it's crazy and it's unbelievable and it's an emotionally
Speaker 4: charged atmosphere with a great crowd. By the way, on
Speaker 4: both ends, it was an awesome crowd last night. It
Speaker 4: was loud, it was gross, it was intense. It was
Speaker 4: pretty fun. However, there have been some stinkers of games
Speaker 4: that have ended up in ties.
Speaker 5: I'm talking like seven to seven, ten.
Speaker 4: Ten, just gross football games where you couldn't wait to
Speaker 4: get out of there.
Speaker 5: So I get why there's a rule in the regular
Speaker 5: season for it.
Speaker 4: You can't tie in the postseason because you've got playoffs
Speaker 4: and you got to have a winner and a loser.
Speaker 7: And you also can't make the rule that was like, well,
Speaker 7: if they score more than twenty, then let's keep.
Speaker 5: It going, you know, like, come on, you can't do that.
Speaker 5: So I get it. I understand it.
Speaker 4: And when it comes to player safety, they've already shown
Speaker 4: in other aspects they don't care.
Speaker 5: They don't care about player safety.
Speaker 7: Specially Dallas plays a Sunday night game and plays a
Speaker 7: Thursday night game.
Speaker 5: Like it turns right around.
Speaker 4: Come on, dude, Yeah, So I I just wanted to
Speaker 4: back up half of your point there.
Speaker 3: No, And I get it, And like I said, like
Speaker 3: a tie as a thank you as a as a competitor, Yes,
Speaker 3: and I will. I mean, in a game like that,
Speaker 3: who doesn't want to see that game finish? Everyone wants
Speaker 3: everybody wants higher that game you finished upset literally everybody
Speaker 3: on the field, everybody in the press box, everybody in
Speaker 3: the owner suite, Like, of course you want to see
Speaker 3: that game end. But you know, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, there was There's not been a thirty plus
Speaker 3: point tie where both teams have scored thirty or more
Speaker 3: points since twenty fourteen. Wow, so you've got six to six,
Speaker 3: twenty seven, twenty seven, twenty one, twenty one, twenty nine,
Speaker 3: twenty nine, twenty seven, twenty seven, twenty three, twenty three, sixteen, sixteen,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, twenty twenty. So I mean you just kind
Speaker 3: of it just kind of is what it is you
Speaker 3: You You would really just be, you know, dragging it out.
Speaker 3: And as as the game runs longer, the guys get
Speaker 3: more tired and the quality of play starts to go down.
Speaker 3: All last night, the quality of player was great all
Speaker 3: night fun.
Speaker 7: I don't care depending on what side of that's rebuttal.
Speaker 8: You are paid a lot of money to do what
Speaker 8: you're being asked to do. And we hear this all
Speaker 8: the time from from more of the humble NFL players,
Speaker 8: where they'll say, you know what, yes, this is this
Speaker 8: is a hard gig. But at the same time, when
Speaker 8: you compare it to blue collar workers, those who are
Speaker 8: running twelve hour shifts, construction jobs and graveyard shifts and
Speaker 8: things like that. So to that point, this is a game,
Speaker 8: and yes it is brutal on the body, but it
Speaker 8: is a game, and this is what you get to do,
Speaker 8: and this is what you sacrifice to be able to do.
Speaker 8: So go do it. Go do it until the victor
Speaker 8: is declared. I am too much of a competitor to
Speaker 8: accept a time like I just I can't compute it.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying I would rather lose, because I would
Speaker 8: rather win than a loss. At least I can sit
Speaker 8: back and say, Okay, where do we get I can
Speaker 8: use that fuel as motive to go and get the
Speaker 8: win the next time, as opposed to saying eh, because
Speaker 8: what did I just walk away with after that three
Speaker 8: and a half of four hours of work? I walked
Speaker 8: away with essentially nothing but the bruises, right, that's all.
Speaker 8: I walked away with the bruises and the paycheck. Eh,
Speaker 8: I want, I want my win.
Speaker 4: So based on that, we're gonna split up these next
Speaker 4: two segments. This segment is going to be like we
Speaker 4: lost the game, playing it simple. We're gonna actually like
Speaker 4: Dallas lost the game. This didn't go our way. This
Speaker 4: team has a lot to fix, which is exactly what's.
Speaker 5: The case anyways.
Speaker 4: And then in the next segment we're gonna look at
Speaker 4: the good side of it and say, oh wow, this
Speaker 4: was all very positive, as in, we won the game,
Speaker 4: but that's not the case. It was forty forty Cowboys
Speaker 4: and Packers. Let's start with the bad. Where do you
Speaker 4: guys want to go with it? Because I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: looking at tackling.
Speaker 7: Miss Tackles was absolutely.
Speaker 5: Going Tommy's got the Isaiah hand raise.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I didn't want to figure that's okay. Hey Biember,
Speaker 3: do we have like, like sad music or something that
Speaker 3: can play as I read this?
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Speaker 5: Bay as second Wallas violin Yeah.
Speaker 3: Second half offensive drives first of the third quarter, nine plays,
Speaker 3: seventy six yards touchdown into the fourth quarter, eight plays
Speaker 3: seventy yards touchdown, ten plays eighty yards touchdown, seven plays
Speaker 3: thirty nine yard yes, field goal, ah close, and then
Speaker 3: in overtime thirteen plays sixty four yards field goal. So
Speaker 3: the last five drives of the game, Green Bay scores
Speaker 3: three touchdowns, two field goals, and Dallas is just essentially
Speaker 3: begging their offense to come and save the day, and
Speaker 3: they did. They Cowboys scored on all but one of
Speaker 3: their second half possessions except for the first one was
Speaker 3: the only one that they didn't score on. That was
Speaker 3: a great Yeah, that's a big possession. And you know
Speaker 3: they had a twelve play drive of fourteen play drive,
Speaker 3: the four play drive on the touchdown to pickings on
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, and then a ten play driving overtime.
Speaker 3: You know it this this defense, Yeah, this defense is
Speaker 3: needed one stop. It's it's very concerning. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think these linebackers have played very well. You know,
Speaker 3: lea foul at a costly penalty last night, Kenneth Murray
Speaker 3: getting banged up, Jack Sanborn just seemed to be a
Speaker 3: step too late on a lot of things. And then
Speaker 3: just you know, the unfortunate bounce off of his back,
Speaker 3: the bolts catapulted downward instead of going up for the
Speaker 3: half a second it needed to. You know, I thought
Speaker 3: the for as difficult as it seems to fathom. After
Speaker 3: Jordan Love throws for three hundred and thirty seven yards
Speaker 3: and three touchdowns, I thought the Corners played better, yeah,
Speaker 3: than they did the Giants maybe somewhat. They didn't give
Speaker 3: they didn't give up real.
Speaker 5: Big play other than the big completion to Matthew Golden
Speaker 5: early in the game.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: And then Romeo Dobbs just went ham in the red
Speaker 5: zone and that was really about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dobbs had himself a day, and.
Speaker 1: The people were just scared of the helmet. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a guardian cat out of this guy's way.
Speaker 7: It looks like Toady.
Speaker 3: It looks like there was there was dropping. There was
Speaker 3: none more obscene than Savian Williams's helmet. I mean he
Speaker 3: looked like Aaron Rodgers souped up with that thing, like
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers has a cranium of a helmet. But man,
Speaker 3: save Williams was massive.
Speaker 5: Hm.
Speaker 4: The uh the big thing too about third downs, glaring
Speaker 4: third down problem, It's glaring ten for fourteen, was green
Speaker 4: Bay on third.
Speaker 7: And even living in overtime when it's fourth and six,
Speaker 7: there's no vote of confidence on my end saying that
Speaker 7: we're going to stop that. Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I was shocked they got to fourth and six, to
Speaker 4: be completely honest, because of how good green Bay had
Speaker 4: been in the money downs.
Speaker 7: Frankly, and I wanted to tweet at one point It's like,
Speaker 7: why can't we just play overtime defense all the time,
Speaker 7: because I thought we were gonna get maybe get a stop.
Speaker 7: But when it was fourth and six, I was like,
Speaker 7: there's no way we're stopping this, and they just kept rolling.
Speaker 7: And one thing you saw early in the first half,
Speaker 7: the run defense was great. They were able to stop
Speaker 7: the run. They were able to stop it up. Josh
Speaker 7: Jacobs did not kill you in the first half. But
Speaker 7: then the more and more and more they were started
Speaker 7: to wear down. Josh Jacobs was tearing off eight yards,
Speaker 7: ten yards, twelve yards, and you're looking at it like, God, like,
Speaker 7: just get off the field, please, for the love of God,
Speaker 7: for yourselves at this point, give yourselves a breather, give
Speaker 7: Dax some time to go out there. But at least
Speaker 7: for me, the Mistackles is just the worst culprit of
Speaker 7: them all, Marist as much as we've been championing him,
Speaker 7: and I think he made a few excellent plays that
Speaker 7: it was bad. Yeah, I think he had three miss
Speaker 7: tackles on the day.
Speaker 4: Can I bring up another another game in the same category,
Speaker 4: same thing. I thought of it as Rok who played
Speaker 4: his best game last night. Absolute but he made a
Speaker 4: stupid mistake and gave a free first down to Green Bay.
Speaker 5: He just fore armed to the face mask while the
Speaker 5: guy was on the ground. That's a dumb mistake. And
Speaker 5: he played his tailoff.
Speaker 4: I even had a conversation up in the press box
Speaker 4: and and somebody from the football opposit side of things
Speaker 4: was saying, man, Donovan's playing, it's his tailoff, playing really well, uh,
Speaker 4: a different wordage, but playing his butt off.
Speaker 7: It seemed like he had started to figure something.
Speaker 4: He looked like he was finding what we need him
Speaker 4: to be on that defensive front. But to make a
Speaker 4: mistake like that, and then the same thing with Mays
Speaker 4: leaf overrunning an angle. Then he makes a great play
Speaker 4: on the special team side of things and.
Speaker 8: Flattens Golden had like the cartoon birds. Yeah, after that,
Speaker 8: he absolutely laid would.
Speaker 4: But then he has the late hit where it was
Speaker 4: pretty obvious two or three steps had gone by ball
Speaker 4: down on the ground, and I would love to hear
Speaker 4: his actual re enactment of that. Did he think the
Speaker 4: ball was caught? Did he not see it on the
Speaker 4: right way? Either way, it was not a good.
Speaker 8: Found interesting for me though. It's it's everything you guys
Speaker 8: are saying. But and stop me. If you've heard this before,
Speaker 8: self inflicted wounds you you're basically detailing, especially the worst
Speaker 8: time to right some of the worst ones Cowboys were
Speaker 8: let's see accepted penalties eleven accepted and accepted as the
Speaker 8: keyword for ninety five yards. There were more flags obviously
Speaker 8: than the penalties that were accepted, okay, because they had
Speaker 8: some double penalties going on there, like the unsportsmanlike conduct
Speaker 8: which also happened that with the defensive holding holding ned
Speaker 8: the defensive holding, so twelve men on the field, I
Speaker 8: didn't have a chance to check. I believe that's the
Speaker 8: second time this season through the first four games that
Speaker 8: the Cowboys have been flagged for twelve men on the
Speaker 8: field in one capacity or another.
Speaker 3: Off in time?
Speaker 8: Was it that that that's a coaching thing? Twelve men
Speaker 8: on the field is coaching thing for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So whether.
Speaker 7: It be that's communication yet again.
Speaker 8: Education, whether it be the they don't even start on
Speaker 8: that because that touchdown with Elim as the target and
Speaker 8: how he's looking around like what's going Was that a miscommunication?
Speaker 7: I don't love that. I don't love the sort of
Speaker 7: blame being passed around when it's just again.
Speaker 1: But you're talking about in real time, you're.
Speaker 7: Seeing in real time and you're seeing communication errors. Still
Speaker 7: in week four and we've been having this conversation for
Speaker 7: three weeks now about their communication, it just feels more
Speaker 7: and more like the defense can't get right.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you what football gods owe me, because this
Speaker 8: weekend with these bone headed penalties from players that I
Speaker 8: hold in high regards to, whether it be Georgia hits Obama,
Speaker 8: why would you dive on the pile when it's already
Speaker 8: over and then merestleafile. We know what Leafi was capable
Speaker 8: of if we saw it last year as a rookie,
Speaker 8: basically fly out of the gate. We've been begging for
Speaker 8: mayors to be unleashed. They start them this game. He's
Speaker 8: making plays on spill teams and then he makes a
Speaker 8: critical error at that juncture in the game to extend
Speaker 8: that drive, which helped impact the team, impact the game
Speaker 8: negatively for the Cowboys ultimately. But while we're circling that,
Speaker 8: and we're circling the touchdown against Elaman, we're circling as Roku,
Speaker 8: who had a fantastic game, his best game as a
Speaker 8: rookie through his first four games, and then he has
Speaker 8: the black eye because of that particular penalty. It just
Speaker 8: felt like there was always something so that same logic
Speaker 8: exchange to the offense as well, because offensively they dropped
Speaker 8: forty again at home.
Speaker 1: They're cooking. George Pickens without Cede Lamb.
Speaker 8: He gives you one hundred and thirty plus with two
Speaker 8: touchdowns Dak Pro Dogs.
Speaker 7: You can't say it.
Speaker 8: You said it, so I don't have to four total
Speaker 8: total touchdowns for Dak Prescott, no interceptions. Three of those
Speaker 8: were passing touchdowns over three hundred yards. They're cooking, turping,
Speaker 8: is getting involved, shoddy, pulling out the just going deep
Speaker 8: in the bag. Ryan Flinoy, he's making plays as well,
Speaker 8: said it. Jalen Tobert for as miliind as he is
Speaker 8: in this fan base again, that play phenomenal However, we're
Speaker 8: sitting here and we're giving all of this rightful praise
Speaker 8: to the offense, and they still converted only four of
Speaker 8: their eleven third down attempts.
Speaker 4: And they didn't punch it in from five yards out.
Speaker 4: Correct football game.
Speaker 8: So again, it's one of those games. This game was
Speaker 8: Taylor made for a tie, no pun intended. It was
Speaker 8: Taylor made for a tie. Because for all the good,
Speaker 8: there's the bad, and for all the bad, there's the good.
Speaker 1: And then where do you land? Right smack in the middle.
Speaker 4: This is an interesting stat and I'm going to give
Speaker 4: credit to Dante Koppluitz Fleming on X teams with forty
Speaker 4: points or more and no turnovers worth three hundred and
Speaker 4: oh at home in the Super Bowl era three one
Speaker 4: hundred and oh, they're still undefeated.
Speaker 5: They are still undefeated. It's three hundred oh and one.
Speaker 1: And so are the Packers at ATMG Stadium.
Speaker 4: Yeah they are six three hundred and I'll say, see,
Speaker 4: this is what I hate about ties is now I
Speaker 4: have to say three hundred one and six oh one
Speaker 4: the next time the Packers come to town. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're undefeated, but hey, that tie happened that one time.
Speaker 5: Who cares give us a winner.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying, and also shouts out ferguson getting
Speaker 8: that month getting into the end zone. That was his
Speaker 8: first time getting the touchdown since uh, previous to last season.
Speaker 1: I guess what was against Green by Papa.
Speaker 7: We're talking about the bad Patrick, we talk.
Speaker 5: About that to un I lost this game segment and.
Speaker 7: Really quickly though if we're if we're continuing on the
Speaker 7: bad really quickly. Yes, Uh, Marris, that wasn't great. He
Speaker 7: didn't give you just the bonehead a mistake obviously unacceptable, right.
Speaker 7: Another thing that was that has been unacceptable now for
Speaker 7: three weeks is the play of Jack Sandborn.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 7: I think at this point, because Maris hasn't had as
Speaker 7: many snaps as a Jack Sandbourne, you're going to get
Speaker 7: those mistakes. You're going to see.
Speaker 1: That over zealous.
Speaker 7: He's over zealous, he's happy to be in there. He's
Speaker 7: he's he's trying to overplay. But when you're looking at
Speaker 7: Jack Sanborn play man, he is, for lack of a
Speaker 7: better term, he's just really slow. I mean, the athletic
Speaker 7: ability of Sanborn at this point is not helping you.
Speaker 1: I agree, it's it's rough.
Speaker 7: And I want to be as respectable as possible. But
Speaker 7: what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 8: You had Shamar James actor for the first time, so
Speaker 8: let's use Shamar James Moore.
Speaker 1: Let's and and again.
Speaker 8: And I know a lot of people in the in
Speaker 8: the moment after that that penalty by Marius I get it,
Speaker 8: there's no excuse in that. That was just horrendous, horrendous,
Speaker 8: But I still want him to see more playing time
Speaker 8: because you're never going to see that mistake again from
Speaker 8: marslif never.
Speaker 3: Just two quick quick ones to wrap up our our
Speaker 3: bad talk segment. Tyler Smith really had struggled today. A
Speaker 3: couple of penalties I and him. Yeah, a couple of
Speaker 3: penalties that ended up getting negated or declined or whatever.
Speaker 3: But it was it was not a great game for
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith, which I mean, a bad game from Tyler
Speaker 3: Smith is a usually pretty good game for the average
Speaker 3: offensive lineman in the NFL. Yeah, But nonetheless, that was
Speaker 3: still a rough still a rough game, and the penalties
Speaker 3: are certainly something that's kind of been uncharacteristic of him,
Speaker 3: at least from my perspective before before I started covering.
Speaker 4: He struggled with a little bit in college coming out
Speaker 4: of Tulsa.
Speaker 5: But it wasn't like a.
Speaker 4: Glaring thing like it was with Geiton, right, because Geyton
Speaker 4: you kind of knew what you were getting when you
Speaker 4: drafted him. You were going to get some holds. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and Tyler Smith never really had. There was a couple
Speaker 4: in his rookie season if I remember correctly, where he
Speaker 4: was held or he was holding multiple times, but he's
Speaker 4: kind of gotten away from that.
Speaker 3: And then the last thing I think what you say
Speaker 3: was four of eleven on third down eleven I don't think.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, the offense needs to convert on some
Speaker 3: of those, but your defense isn't doing you any favors
Speaker 3: or some of this field possession.
Speaker 8: Sure, so I agree, and that's what makes it. And
Speaker 8: you made the point earlier that the offense is being
Speaker 8: asked rather fairly or unfairly. They're being asked to put
Speaker 8: their capes on and save the day every single time,
Speaker 8: and I personally, I think that's unfair. I think that
Speaker 8: they should be allowed to not be perfect and simply
Speaker 8: be elite, because you can be elite and not perfect,
Speaker 8: like that's what we saw last night from this offense.
Speaker 1: Elite but not perfect.
Speaker 8: If you're asking your offense to be perfect every single
Speaker 8: game to win.
Speaker 1: You're not going to the playoffs.
Speaker 7: You're asking your offense to score forty points and maybe
Speaker 7: you'll win the game.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and so what so they have to score what
Speaker 8: they have to score fifty to help guarantee that you
Speaker 8: win the game.
Speaker 7: Apparently that's un good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dak Prescott is playing out some.
Speaker 7: Off segment three, that's all segments, the.
Speaker 3: Best football of his entire career, and he's he's he's
Speaker 3: kind of being out of his mind, held up.
Speaker 5: Before we move on. I'm seeing a lot of comments
Speaker 5: in the It may just be from the same person.
Speaker 5: I'm not entirely sure. They were talking about the as
Speaker 5: Leah foul foul.
Speaker 4: Call uh on the the the late hit. They said
Speaker 4: it wasn't as egregious in the building, it was pretty agreed.
Speaker 1: In real time.
Speaker 7: It was like sad, like give him like two steps on,
Speaker 7: but he took seven steps.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: On TV, I can see because you're like, oh, they're
Speaker 4: playing it in slow mo. Even in the building, in
Speaker 4: the press box with everybody.
Speaker 5: There, it was pretty it was pretty.
Speaker 8: You heard the collective gasp when he when he hit
Speaker 8: him before the before the flag he hit him and everybody.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, come yeah and the flag.
Speaker 5: Feel free to disagree.
Speaker 4: I know there's probably gonna be differing opinions on that,
Speaker 4: but as a fan base, I think you can.
Speaker 5: Look at it and say, yeah, it was it was
Speaker 5: pretty egregious and all right.
Speaker 1: I want them to play more.
Speaker 4: So now the bad is out of the way. This
Speaker 4: was a tie you did not lose. So we're going
Speaker 4: to talk about what was positive. And I have a
Speaker 4: feeling there's gonna be a lot of Dak Prescott George
Speaker 4: Pickens talk in this upcoming segment when we come back
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Speaker 4: Back here on Talking Cowboys, final segment of a Tie Talking.
Speaker 4: We're talking ties today with Patrick Nosey Walker, Josh Rodriguez,
Speaker 4: Tommy Irrish, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 5: All right, gentlemen, we have our comment.
Speaker 1: Of the day.
Speaker 5: Would you like to have her hit it? All right?
Speaker 5: Paul or no? Phil? Excuse me? Phil said breaking news.
Speaker 5: The Packers just converted on another third down ouch just now,
Speaker 5: so now they're eleven for fifteen.
Speaker 1: Twist the nut.
Speaker 5: I just thought it was funny.
Speaker 7: That makes sense.
Speaker 3: They scored another touchdown of the second half and over time, Hey,
Speaker 3: chilling hurts.
Speaker 7: Kyle and I don't like it. We didn't lose that game.
Speaker 7: We did prove me wrong. We didn't lose.
Speaker 5: We did not lose.
Speaker 1: You know it did not.
Speaker 8: To quote the great Rosie Peiz, sometimes when you win,
Speaker 8: you also lose.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Sometimes when you lose you actually win, yeah. And sometimes
Speaker 8: when you tie, you actually win to lose.
Speaker 1: If you know the quote, you know.
Speaker 5: The quote, let's talk about the winning side. I guess
Speaker 5: you gotta start with four, right, you gotta start with four.
Speaker 3: Who's playing his best football of his career.
Speaker 4: I think is anybody in the NFL playing a higher
Speaker 4: brand of quarterback right this second than.
Speaker 7: Perhaps Josh Allen, perhaps Matejo.
Speaker 1: But that's the only one I'm willing to.
Speaker 7: Because you're not seeing it from Lamar, You're not from
Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes, c.
Speaker 5: J Stroud Right now, guy is Jared Goff.
Speaker 8: Now it did kind of get going yesterday. But but
Speaker 8: over as far as full games.
Speaker 3: No, maybe Justine Herbert, but it is a bad day
Speaker 3: for them, ye, see he played poorly yesterday, and.
Speaker 7: We're not saying necessarily that he is better than those quarterbacks.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that either, But right now as we
Speaker 7: sit here, he is your MVP of the team. There's
Speaker 7: no doubt about it. Just far and beyond keeping you
Speaker 7: in the game right now. Granted you don't have a
Speaker 7: winning record, and I think that is in a large
Speaker 7: part due to the defense. But Dak Prescott is playing
Speaker 7: lights out. He's exactly what you would pay sixty million
Speaker 7: dollars for quarterback to do. And Jerry was talking about
Speaker 7: it yesterday. He's indispensable and Michael wasn't. That to me
Speaker 7: is just clear. Just looking at what michaeh or sorry,
Speaker 7: what Dak did yesterday and what Micah said about Dak,
Speaker 7: He's like he was honest. If he wasn't on his
Speaker 7: piece and q's this would have been a long day.
Speaker 7: And Dak was, and Dak.
Speaker 1: Was making all the throws. He was making them.
Speaker 7: First quarter was a little rocky, it was, but.
Speaker 8: They picked up also. But also shouts out to one
Speaker 8: year Thomas and Marquise Bell. Yeah, yeah, we're talking about
Speaker 8: the got you.
Speaker 7: Back in the game.
Speaker 8: We're talking about the good high without those two points, Okay,
Speaker 8: the Cowboys could not get on the board. They could
Speaker 8: not break off, break through that goose egg, and what
Speaker 8: happens you get a block on a point after attempt
Speaker 8: by one year Thomas and Marquise Bell, the undrafted step
Speaker 8: brothers from twenty twenty two who both have clawed and
Speaker 8: scratched to try to get playing time. Basically on the
Speaker 8: same arc, those two combo pack pulled up two points.
Speaker 8: It was it was one of the best things that
Speaker 8: you will see, just fun and it like you said,
Speaker 8: it was a joke. But then in that joke translated
Speaker 8: to Dak Prescott in the offense getting the ball, rolling
Speaker 8: questions about could George Pickens step up and consistently be
Speaker 8: that guy in that target? Could you target him fourteen
Speaker 8: fifteen times? Yes you can, and he's going to deliver.
Speaker 8: And those targets don't have to be one on one
Speaker 8: coverage either. The trust required for Dak Prescott to throw
Speaker 8: the ball. He threw deep left side into double coverage,
Speaker 8: knowing that George Pickens was probably gonna come up with it,
Speaker 8: and afforded with that trust.
Speaker 7: Guys, you scored forty points without CD lamb. That's why
Speaker 7: you did let that sink in a little bit, Like
Speaker 7: I know, we were having the conversation, is George Pickens,
Speaker 7: can he possibly feel that's one bee? That's what that's
Speaker 7: what a one bee does.
Speaker 1: Is that good?
Speaker 7: That's pretty darn that's pretty darny.
Speaker 5: That's that's great.
Speaker 4: Remember when when we were talking about wide receivers in
Speaker 4: the draft and we were talking about free a options
Speaker 4: this summer, and then they made the trade for George Pickens.
Speaker 4: One of the comments that this front office made, and
Speaker 4: a member of this front office made to one of
Speaker 4: us here in the studio was we needed to find
Speaker 4: a guy that if Ceedee Lamb is either unavailable or
Speaker 4: not playing a high brand of football, that can go
Speaker 4: for one thirty or more. Yeah, or I think it
Speaker 4: was one forty five. Either one. He showed he can
Speaker 4: do the one thirty four and two tuddies. Unbelievable performance,
Speaker 4: and he did so in the in the highest moments
Speaker 4: of the game. Yes, the catching doubles coverage, the catching
Speaker 4: double coverage was phenomenal. Then he catches the touchdown pass
Speaker 4: going into the halftime break to put you up by three.
Speaker 5: He makes the play exactly.
Speaker 4: He made the play to avoid the tackle and get
Speaker 4: back inside and then barrel his way past the pylon
Speaker 4: on the left sideline to get in to put you
Speaker 4: up by three again in the waning moments of over
Speaker 4: or of regulation.
Speaker 5: George Pickens did everything and more.
Speaker 4: For this football team yesterday. And it was Dak Prescott
Speaker 4: throwing on the rock.
Speaker 1: And really quickly and then we'll hop back this the defense.
Speaker 8: We kept it to the defense as far as the
Speaker 8: bad segment is concerned. Shouts out to James Houston, because
Speaker 8: that George Pickens touchdown going into halftime doesn't happen. There's
Speaker 8: no shot for the Cowboys to have a chance to
Speaker 8: try to make that touchdown if James Houston doesn't get
Speaker 8: the stripsack fumble against Jordan Love. So shouts out to
Speaker 8: James Houston. He did a thing again for another consecutive week.
Speaker 8: But again now Dak Prescott, George Pickens. But it's also
Speaker 8: the fact that the other guys got involved. We saw
Speaker 8: more of Cavante Turpin. You love that, but and Tommy
Speaker 8: was sitting next to me. I could barely contain myself
Speaker 8: when they started getting Ryan Flinoy involved in the game. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you start getting Flinoy involved now we're cooking with some
Speaker 8: fish grease.
Speaker 7: Well, okay, bring up Brian Flinoy had a great game.
Speaker 7: But there's one player in particular that I really need
Speaker 7: to apologize to because I've been very critical of him
Speaker 7: so far this year. You have the floor, Jalen Tobert.
Speaker 7: What a game, What a game like, just absolutely there
Speaker 7: when you need him, and he was clutch in every
Speaker 7: pass that he had thrown to him. All the respecting
Speaker 7: world to Jalen Tolbert. He really really showed out yesterday.
Speaker 7: And I will crow for me today because he played.
Speaker 3: Great a couple of things. I really think that this
Speaker 3: team is zero and four if it's not for Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, Dak Prescott's playing the best
Speaker 3: football of his career and he's not getting any help
Speaker 3: from his defense. That's the only reason why the Cowboys
Speaker 3: are won too and one. It's because of Number four.
Speaker 3: And they're number one in yards a game for offense
Speaker 3: four hundred and four yards a game, number one in
Speaker 3: passing offense two hundred and eighty one yards a game.
Speaker 3: He's leading the league in passing. He has played his
Speaker 3: best ball, and I think you tip your cap to
Speaker 3: him and really, I think one thing we haven't really
Speaker 3: talked about a lot is Brian Schoenheimer called a great
Speaker 3: game yesterday. I thought I thought, I thought he called
Speaker 3: a good game. But really what kept standing out to
Speaker 3: me was it seemed like every time there was a
Speaker 3: third down play or a longer second down play, that
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott was finding a way to move the chains.
Speaker 3: Late in the game. You think about the crosser over
Speaker 3: the middle to Flinoy, there was a Tolbert over the middle.
Speaker 3: There was a turpin I think for a first down two.
Speaker 3: So really, when they needed to hit the big plays
Speaker 3: the most I know we talked about four of eleven
Speaker 3: on third down when they needed to move the chains,
Speaker 3: when they needed to push downfield, I think they did
Speaker 3: last night. And so you tip your captain, Brian Schotenheimer
Speaker 3: in the offense for coming through there. Javonte Williams, I
Speaker 3: think we talked Josh. You talked about Josh Jacobs kind
Speaker 3: of wearing on the Cowboys defense in the second half.
Speaker 3: Joontay Williams eleven carries fifty six yards in a touchdown
Speaker 3: in the second half. Five point one yards of carry.
Speaker 7: Was his total carry full point three.
Speaker 3: I think he averaged four point three yards of carry.
Speaker 3: He finished with twenty carries for eighty five yards. So
Speaker 3: really mostly that product I do to get. Most of
Speaker 3: that production came in the second half.
Speaker 9: Then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll admit I was a guy that in the
Speaker 3: off season I was like, man, I don't know if
Speaker 3: this team moving wrong from rico' donald is the right move.
Speaker 3: Javonte Williams has proven me wrong. I'm sharing some of
Speaker 3: that crow with you, Josh, because he has played very
Speaker 3: well to start the season and he.
Speaker 7: Has been the most physical running back that you've had
Speaker 7: since Marko Murray.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Like he flows like.
Speaker 7: That and he hits with that same level of physicality.
Speaker 7: In my opinion, I disagree.
Speaker 8: I think Zeke was pretty nasty peak Zeke was pretty
Speaker 8: freaking nasty. He was both athletic, fast, and he wanted
Speaker 8: to run away.
Speaker 7: I think it was more finesse. I think it was
Speaker 7: more finesse for Zeke. This guy's straight power. Then I
Speaker 7: did not expect that out of his stature, and he's
Speaker 7: he's proven me wrong. Like, like I said, he's running
Speaker 7: with the same physicality that you saw.
Speaker 8: From I don't want to take that away from the
Speaker 8: I just it's just I'm channeling I hear, and that
Speaker 8: was nasty peak.
Speaker 5: Zeke was nuts.
Speaker 4: The conversation that I had with Nate Newton last night,
Speaker 4: he compared him to marsham Lynch. He compared him to
Speaker 4: Beast Mode in terms of physicality. He said, they're not
Speaker 4: the same back, They're different sizes, they're different body types.
Speaker 5: But he was like, the way that he.
Speaker 4: Runs the football angry, yes, is something that you, yeah,
Speaker 4: is something that you haven't had on this team.
Speaker 7: And just to argue the Zeke point really quick, I
Speaker 7: feel like more of Zeke's highlights were sort of like finesse,
Speaker 7: like hurdling, and.
Speaker 8: That was only because those were the more fun highlights
Speaker 8: when he's jumping over guys.
Speaker 7: But he bowled overs some people, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolute freaking absolutely.
Speaker 7: But I'm saying, like, since DeMarco Murray, I have not
Speaker 7: seen an aggressive running back running attack like this.
Speaker 3: He's playing like he played his rookie year in Denver. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it almost like, well, yeah, granted he came back
Speaker 3: from you know, he came back from you know, devastating
Speaker 3: knee injury, so yeah, it's certainly a lot easier to
Speaker 3: to play that way but you know, special teams is
Speaker 3: something that I think when John Fossil was here, just
Speaker 3: because he was so creative and things like that, we
Speaker 3: really paid more attention to the third phase of the game.
Speaker 3: Third phase of the game was a major reason why
Speaker 3: the Cowboys were able to keep this a tie last night.
Speaker 3: I think back to that forty five yard kickoff return
Speaker 3: from Cavante Turpin before that final drive in the fourth quarter. Yep,
Speaker 3: what happens if he doesn't get that? You know? So
Speaker 3: you know that's that's why you have a guy like
Speaker 3: that back there. And I think they made the right move,
Speaker 3: And you guys correct me if I'm wrong, if I
Speaker 3: missed this. I think this was the first game this
Speaker 3: season where it was Turpin by himself back there. They
Speaker 3: had had two returners there's usually Turpin and Tolbert that
Speaker 3: were back there, and teams would kick it to one
Speaker 3: side and they would obviously kick it away from Turpin
Speaker 3: because you don't want that guy to touch the ball.
Speaker 3: So they put ten up and had Turpin back there,
Speaker 3: which I think they should have done from the start. Agree,
Speaker 3: I don't think you want to give any other team
Speaker 3: another option, but they Turpen came through for them when
Speaker 3: they needed him to late in that game, and then
Speaker 3: of course the the block, the block extra point changed
Speaker 3: the game to and completely shifted momentum going forward. But
Speaker 3: then defensively, just to harp more on James Houston, he's
Speaker 3: your best pass rusher. He is the best pass rusher
Speaker 3: on this roster, and they picked him up on the
Speaker 3: first day of practice at training camp. That is both
Speaker 3: a great thing for the Cowboys evaluating the talent that
Speaker 3: they see that's available, and also a very poor thing
Speaker 3: considering how much they thought of the defensive end depth
Speaker 3: that they've got. You know, it's if that's the case,
Speaker 3: then then you've got some tough questions to ask yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and remember it was James Houston and Jadavian Clowney,
Speaker 4: the two new additions as edge rushers that helped combine
Speaker 4: on that strip sack that that helped you correctio.
Speaker 8: There was a there was a podcast then that film's
Speaker 8: in this very student that just last week sip they
Speaker 8: wanted to see Jade.
Speaker 5: Yeahane, Yeah, you did say that. Yeah, Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: was it talking? It was talking?
Speaker 4: Car alrighty, We've got to get out of here before
Speaker 4: I want to give one more quick note. One more
Speaker 4: quick note, because I want to see if you guys
Speaker 4: agree here. The way that Dak Prescott is playing reminds
Speaker 4: me of the situation Joe Burrow had last year, and
Speaker 4: he's not getting the same amount of love.
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow did because it's Dak Prescott. Because it's Dak.
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow and the Bengals were one and three to
Speaker 5: start the year.
Speaker 4: In that time period, Joe Burrow was completing seventy one
Speaker 4: percent of his passes. He had He had had nine
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy eight yards, throwing, seven touchdowns, and three turnovers.
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott right now at one two and one, has
Speaker 4: completed seventy three percent of his passes, has thrown for
Speaker 4: over eleven hundred yards, has thrown for six touchdowns, rushed
Speaker 4: for another, so seven total touchdowns.
Speaker 5: He's thrown three interceptions, so three turnovers. He hasn't lost
Speaker 5: the fumble. Burrow had one interception, he had two fumbles,
Speaker 5: so your scene.
Speaker 4: So I'm saying Dak is playing better right now than
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow did during that start that the Cincinnati Bengals
Speaker 4: had last year, and he's not getting a credit for
Speaker 4: it from a national standp.
Speaker 5: You know what, I just want to give it. Give
Speaker 5: the facts there.
Speaker 4: That's why first four games straight comparison between the two,
Speaker 4: and I would argue DAK had a tougher schedule too
Speaker 4: to go up against all Right, we've got to get
Speaker 4: out of here when we come back tomorrow. You're giving
Speaker 4: us the calls eight eight eight eight five five two
Speaker 4: two nine seven.
Speaker 5: It is a talking Tuesday.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you'll have plenty to talk about tomorrow morning
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