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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you, Buck. How you doing, man? Look man,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited DJ, because we're getting close to draft time

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Speaker 1: and so now it's about honing in. I think you

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Speaker 1: have famously said the first part of the process is

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Speaker 1: trying to get him in the right neighborhood. Now we're

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Speaker 1: trying to begin to see if we can figure out

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Speaker 1: which houses guys belong in, you know, and so trying

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Speaker 1: to get them on the right call to set. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the time we are in for sure.

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Speaker 1: And I just had my new top fifty lists of

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Speaker 1: top fifty prospects for the upcoming draft that just posted,

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Speaker 1: which is my first update I've been since the combine.

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Speaker 1: So um, it's some decent movement on here and not

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Speaker 1: so much so maybe in the top part of the list,

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Speaker 1: But as you start going through it, you saw some

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Speaker 1: guys kind of move up and down. As you you

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Speaker 1: get real numbers on them, you get a chance to

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Speaker 1: learn more about him as players, you get a chance

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Speaker 1: to watch some more video. You have some changes. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through that to get your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: that compared kind of to your top five lists and see, um,

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Speaker 1: what we think. I always love when we do this,

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Speaker 1: what we think the discussions would be in the room,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, what are the what are the what

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Speaker 1: are the hot button issues that we've been in those

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Speaker 1: I want to kind of get to what those discussions

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Speaker 1: are in this draft. But before we do that, Buck

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Speaker 1: as uh, I mean, just as citizens of the world,

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Speaker 1: I think you're obligated to at least give me your

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Speaker 1: opinion on what you saw last night. I tried calling you,

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Speaker 1: we played phone tag, we couldn't catch up. So this

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Speaker 1: was weird because obviously I didn't see it in real time,

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Speaker 1: And part of my confusion came from the fact that, like, look,

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, knowing what I know

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Speaker 1: about Drake London in terms of his work, ethic, drive,

427
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Speaker 1: all that stuff, and then I just see how competitive

428
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Speaker 1: he is on the field. I see him getting better

429
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Speaker 1: each and every game that he played before he got hurt,

430
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Speaker 1: I Uh, I just trusted him more. So that's why

431
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Speaker 1: I put him all the way up there. Look Um,

432
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Speaker 1: this is funny because it does come down to a

433
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Speaker 1: trust the right and when you're talking to UH players,

434
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Speaker 1: what you're trying to get a sense of, like when

435
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Speaker 1: you're a scout, you're trying to get a sense of

436
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Speaker 1: can I really trust this guy? Like can I can

437
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Speaker 1: I trust that he is going to pour into the

438
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Speaker 1: game as much as I'm pouring into my respective job

439
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: as an evaluate and that really determines how you go

440
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: to bad for them. We talked about standing on the table.

441
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 1: It's based on that relationship that you have with him,

442
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: which is why area scouts in particular, you want them

443
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 1: to develop relationships with the guys when they're freshmen and sophomores.

444
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 1: So it's not just oh, I come in their final season,

445
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: I evaluate them and I'm doing catch you want to

446
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: kind of know them, like, hey, what are you doing?

447
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Speaker 1: So now that you can present I think with all

448
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Speaker 1: of those guys and I think the main one and

449
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Speaker 1: we'll have this conversation now. Cavan Tipo, though, is the

450
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: hardest one, I think for most evaluators, because on the tape,

451
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Speaker 1: like one on paper, he has a lot of traits

452
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: that you look for right size, lengthy, explosiveness. You see,

453
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Speaker 1: first step quickness you saw very early in his career.

454
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Speaker 1: The dominance that he could bring off the edge he

455
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: does have, ben dimbversed and balancing, all of those things.

456
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Speaker 1: The things that concern you on the field would be

457
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Speaker 1: he's a flasher, meaning he makes splash plays, but then

458
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Speaker 1: he has these long droughts of inactivity. Now you wonder, okay,

459
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: is the inactivity due to what the other team is doing,

460
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Speaker 1: or the inactivity due to either him throttling it down,

461
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: checking out, or just becoming bored with the circumstances because

462
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Speaker 1: he's not having a lot of action to come his

463
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Speaker 1: way you're passing, or those things. The other thing is

464
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: because he was such a prominent player coming out of

465
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: high school number one recruiting, the land goes up. The

466
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Speaker 1: Oregon UH we're in the middle of the n ill

467
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Speaker 1: and I ll deal that splashes. But even before that,

468
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: he had created all of these partnerships with Nike and

469
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: other entities to do all this other stuff, which is great.

470
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Speaker 1: It is the things that we would encourage our sons

471
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Speaker 1: and daughters to do when you're in college, to maximize

472
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Speaker 1: that experience. However, when you're sitting on this side and

473
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Speaker 1: you're evaluating it, it's one of those things where's that

474
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Speaker 1: fine line between Okay, I love all that other stuff

475
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Speaker 1: because he's rounded, I want to rent his os man

476
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: and all that, but does he keep the main thing

477
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Speaker 1: the main thing enough to be great at it? And

478
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Speaker 1: because there's that question mark in an asterix, there are

479
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are uncertain on whether to

480
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Speaker 1: go big on him because they don't know if he's

481
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Speaker 1: going to go big on the game in terms of

482
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Speaker 1: being all in on it fair not, but that's the perception. Yeah,

483
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Speaker 1: trying to think of the best way to say this,

484
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Speaker 1: I will say I talked to a coach that played

485
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Speaker 1: against him this year. Man, I just asked a simple question,

486
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Speaker 1: you guys have the game plan for Cavon Thibodeaux. Nope, Nope,

487
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: we just told our guys get just just fight him,

488
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Speaker 1: get your hands on him and fight him. If if

489
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Speaker 1: he doesn't win early, then we, you know, we feel

490
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Speaker 1: like we're okay. They don't get beat, don't get beat

491
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Speaker 1: right now, don't get me red off the snap, get

492
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Speaker 1: your hands on him. And they didn't really alter their

493
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Speaker 1: game plan at all for the guy. And look, I'm

494
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Speaker 1: not going to rip on the pack twelve buck, but

495
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Speaker 1: that's not it's not Anthony Muno's. He's facing every day

496
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 1: like the old USC Dynasty Team series, not seeing a

497
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: ton of stud NFL quality offensive tackles in that league.

498
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Speaker 1: And I don't know, there were many games where I

499
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Speaker 1: looked at were like, man, he just he dominated that game.

500
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Speaker 1: He took over the game. There were moments of the

501
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Speaker 1: u c L A game I felt that way, um,

502
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: but not enough of them, you know, for for his

503
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Speaker 1: ability level, I just didn't think that the the impact

504
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: matched the ability. That makes that makes sense, It makes

505
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Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And I think he kind of

506
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Speaker 1: led us to this comparison. And the comparison is not

507
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Speaker 1: on how he plays, but the comparison is a valid

508
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Speaker 1: one because it's the same feeling that I got with

509
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Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney, Right, Jadeveon Clowney was super talented, super explosive,

510
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: did all those things. People. He became a national name

511
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: because he knocked the helmet off in the Bowl game

512
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Speaker 1: against Michigan, and that kind of like put him in

513
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: the stratosphere. But then when you looked at him, and

514
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Speaker 1: particularly his last year, there's some things that stood up

515
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: that you're like, man, he doesn't play hard. He's talented,

516
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: but he doesn't play hard. He's a great athlete, but

517
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't play hard. The production isn't what it is now.

518
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: Fast forward to his pro career and he's remained a flasher.

519
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: He'll give you dominant moments, but he's not a dominant player.

520
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: And when you're thinking about where Cavon Tipo, thou should

521
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Speaker 1: be as a top five player, top five players, and

522
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Speaker 1: I have to go on my experience. We took Julius

523
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Speaker 1: Peppers in the top five. He was number two, and

524
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Speaker 1: it was clear and apparent that he was the best

525
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: guy on the field the overwhelming majority of the games

526
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: that he played. And so he was so good that

527
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: Mike Rutger and Chris Jenkins became better because they got

528
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Speaker 1: more one on one. When you take someone in the

529
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Speaker 1: top five, that is the standard that you're thinking, how

530
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Speaker 1: dominant can he be off the edge. And I just

531
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Speaker 1: don't see it enough to go all in on him

532
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Speaker 1: being that guy, which is why I understand why he's

533
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Speaker 1: ranked ten in your top five. Yeah, and that's that's

534
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: kind of where I am on it. Let's let's keep

535
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: it rolling here. I'll get you through eleven through twenty.

536
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis is a big de tackle from Georgia. He

537
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: moves up a little bit. He's number eleven. Devin Lloyd,

538
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: linebacker from Utah twelve, Nakobe Dean, linebacker from Georgia thirteen.

539
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: Both those off the ball linebackers I pushed down a

540
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Speaker 1: little bit. Trent McDuffie's at fourteen, right ahead of Derek

541
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: Stingley who's at fifteen. And then you get some wide

542
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Speaker 1: receivers here, Chris o lave at sixteen, who moved up,

543
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams at seventeen, moved him up. Karloftis at eighteen

544
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: at edge rusher from Purdue, Daxton Hill, talented safety nickel

545
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: for Michigan's nineteen, and DeVante Wyatt from Georgia moves up

546
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Speaker 1: the defensive tackle. He's twenty. Uh. The one thing that

547
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: comes to mind, I like those players included in it

548
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: closely because I think they all are there because they're

549
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: really good players, like high end players a players, but

550
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: there's a question about all of them that kind of

551
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: prevents them from being graded in the top ten. The

552
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: name that stands out to me is na Kobe Dean

553
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: because the conversation that I've had with people and I

554
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: try and figure out, like, Okay, we talked about prototypes,

555
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: he's not a prototypical linebacker. I've heard you allude to

556
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: the way he might be built like Jonathan Vilma. Yeah,

557
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: so a little undersize, didn't necessarily test well, but didn't

558
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: test at all. Never didn't run into COMBA, I didn't

559
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: run his project. That's right, That's right. Um. And then

560
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: like to me, I love the i Q instincts, awareness,

561
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: I love the leadership skills or whatever. But where do

562
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: I slop that because I don't know how fast he is.

563
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: He may play. He's gonna play faster than the speed thing.

564
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: I just don't know what to do with him in

565
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: today's game. Because we can give him the grade as

566
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: a player, but then picking him as a different conversation.

567
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: So your thought on him in general, I'm with you.

568
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I go back and look through my notes.

569
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: Um Vilma he can flow, scrape, and fill. He's got

570
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: excellent football intelligence, he's got leadership smarts. He's very urgent.

571
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: He can cover, he can cover backs and tight ends.

572
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: Everything he does is really really fast. He's just not

573
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 1: He's just not big pounds and he's not long. So

574
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: you've got somebody it's a little shorter, a little lighter,

575
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: and not real long, and just kind of where the

576
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: position has gone maybe since Jonathan Vilma was coming out,

577
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: is that teams covet that's that size and length. Now

578
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: they don't have to be two hundred fifty pounds. You

579
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: don't have to be like you know, Tremaine Edmunds kind

580
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: of had everything right. You've got six ft five body, long, fast.

581
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: We've got similar things that Vanderesh was a lower graded

582
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: but similar type where you had to kind of all

583
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: this stuff. But teams are willing to say, Okay, we'll

584
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: sacrifice some of the bulk, but give me tall. If

585
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: they're lean, doesn't matter. Lean along, Darius Leonard. You know

586
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: Fred Warner that that's what every team that I talked

587
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: to they're trying to find those guys to plug into

588
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: their defense. So again, I don't know where he's gonna go. Buck,

589
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: If you told me that again, he's my what, he's

590
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: my twelfth player, thirteenth player. If he went in the

591
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: top fifteen, I would applaud it and say, I get it,

592
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: he's a great player. But if we if we went

593
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: to bed on Thursday night and he didn't get picked

594
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: in the first round, I wouldn't be shocked, would you. Yeah.

595
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I think he's the biggest one. He's the biggest wild

596
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: card in the draft because I don't think anybody can

597
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: competently say that they know for sure where he's going

598
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: to go. Um. I think the size thing to me

599
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: was startling when he sat beside me at the combine

600
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: and we talked um, even with his workout clothes on,

601
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: I was like, man, he's a lot smaller than I thought. Yeah,

602
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: And think about Michael Parsons, Like, think about just last year,

603
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: what was Parsons like, tenth pick? Yeah, twelve pick. I mean,

604
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: look at look at his skill set, height, weight, speed,

605
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: you know, highways, speed, size, um, explosiveness and all that.

606
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: And so I think the Kobe Dean is is a

607
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: tough one. Look. I think we've had these conversations before

608
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: in in meeting rooms. I think he can be anywhere

609
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: from a forty. I think he could. He could be

610
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: in maybe fifty. If you want to say hego middle

611
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: to late first round. I wouldn't be surprised if he

612
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: ended up in the middle of the second round. I

613
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: just believe that he's in that. And based on what

614
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: you're looking for, I think it's gonna be a conversation

615
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: where you're like, I don't know. I think I may

616
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: I may rather have someone in the second round Trey Anderson.

617
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: Try Anderson who who's longer that like. I just think

618
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: the beauty pageant part may hurt him when it comes

619
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: to the evaluation. Last on on him and then we'll

620
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: move on to me his floor, like worst case scenario

621
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: for him, which is not a bad thing at all.

622
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: I wasn't Cleveland with the QUELLT Jackson, remember him, come

623
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: and played together. The quote player for a long time,

624
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: was a great player. Um it was a little undersize, smart,

625
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: tough instinctive like that to me is the floor is

626
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: the floor for him? Um? Those whiteouts olive and Jamison Williams.

627
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: I just moved him up because I'm like, they're just

628
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: when you start stacking them with players in this draft class,

629
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just I'd rather have these guys. I

630
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: feel like I know exactly what I'm buying with both

631
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, the wide receiver class is and we

632
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: said this, I feel like we've been saying this for

633
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, that some of the movement

634
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: that we're seeing. Uh I was about to say at

635
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: the varsity level in the national with the wide receivers

636
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: moving when it gets paid. I think some teams are

637
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: coming to the realization that, look, man, I really loved

638
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: this player, but I feel like I can better allocate

639
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: the money by drafting somebody, developing them and maybe putting

640
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: the money elsewhere. And we'll see, I think we'll see

641
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: that tram for a little bit. People will see how

642
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: it works out, and then it'll either be that lead

643
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: to a longer and bigger trend or it will come

644
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: back to like, oh no, I'm gonna keep my guys,

645
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm developing, I'm paying whatever I have to pam. But yeah,

646
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: these young guys that are coming in because they get

647
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: so many reps in high school and college. Now they're

648
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: a little better prepared to play and make immediate impact

649
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: at why receiver than they were in the past. Yeah,

650
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: and I know we have that long list of receivers

651
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: outside the first round that have made all this money.

652
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: And we saw that movement the offseason. Look Davante Adams,

653
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, not first round picks. But and that's kind

654
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: of allowed teams to be patient because there's so many receivers.

655
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: But I almost think now when you look at the

656
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: cost of resigning these guys, and you look at the

657
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: cost of going and shopping for one of these guys

658
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: on the market, whether you're gonna trade form or sign

659
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: them as free agents, you know we need to put

660
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: And you've been saying this for a while, like concluding

661
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: that playmaker along with the pass rusher in the in

662
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: the past kind of in those premier positions, and and

663
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: you say, okay, we take in the first round. We

664
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: focus on passers and pass rushers and tackles corners. I

665
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: think receivers have crashed the party because teams have said, Okay,

666
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: I take this guy in the first round. I get

667
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: five years of always control on a really good player

668
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: that if I don't, if I wait and maybe I'll

669
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: maybe I'll hit, Maybe I'll be able to get the

670
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: DK Metcalps and A J. Browns and all these guys

671
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: Adebo Samuels. I think because of that, you're gonna see

672
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: those guys now. If the draft were to be now,

673
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: I think those receivers are gonna get pushed up because

674
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: the prices I mean Christian Kirks for example, where the

675
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: market has gone here. Yeah, I think that is it.

676
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: And so now the thing will be As an evaluator,

677
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: you have to have a clear vision for the players

678
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: that are worthy of kind of wearing that playmaker tag

679
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: to be taken in the first round. And so the

680
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: guys that have really worked out of late, Jamaar Chase freakish,

681
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: freakish talent in terms of playmaking skill. You talked, we've

682
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: talked about like, hey man, you gotta have playing strength,

683
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: you gotta break tackle, you've gotta be able to move,

684
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: you gotta have the ability to win with also takes

685
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: a level of strength. I don't think that Jamar Chase

686
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: was the most refined route runner, but he had enough

687
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: playmaking ability that showed up on tape. And he's really explosive.

688
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: He's even more explosive now in the pros then I

689
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: can't even remember looking at him in college, Like he's

690
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: a more explosive and dynamic player. On the other side,

691
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: you have a Justin Jefferson, who is the skilled, crafty

692
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: route runner who can play outside or inside high i

693
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: Q goes to work and does all those things. Two

694
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: different types, but both types have been worthy of being

695
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: first round picks. You have to know exactly what you're

696
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: looking for because everyone is going to point to the outline,

697
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: which has been Jalen Reagor, and you just want to

698
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: make sure that you get it right. And looking nikkill

699
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: Harry shouldn't have been a first round pick, like you

700
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: just have to. You have to be like, you can't

701
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: perfect it, but you want to make sure that you

702
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: narrow the criteria so that you can make sure that

703
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: you hit on those. Yeah, I think Jalen Reagor gosh,

704
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: I could go back and look it up, but like

705
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: I know he I don't think he was in my

706
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: top fifty UM, and so you you've got some cases

707
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: with him, and you mentioned to Kill Harry where I

708
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: think guys have been pushed up. But there's other years

709
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: where everybody I feel like we all knew. I mean,

710
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: I know we had the next thing, but became Metcalf

711
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: I think was my eighteenth player who fell you know

712
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: where he fell. A. J. Brown was up way higher

713
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: for me on my list than where he ended up going.

714
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: So like there's other guys whore like there. Their grades

715
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: are there to take those guys. So just if the

716
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: grades there didn't take them. Yeah, and and I think

717
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: there's something to that any other thing that everyone has

718
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: to understand that position even more than others. Fit in

719
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: scheme really matters, like fit scheme role, what the projective

720
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: role is going to be within the scheme of the

721
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: offense really matters, because the skill set has to fit

722
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: the projected role that they're gonna play for a team.

723
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get rolling here and we'll get

724
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: you through thirty. Then we'll take a quick break. Um,

725
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: so twenty one is trailing Burke's. He dropped seven spots

726
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: for me, so he had a little bit of a

727
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: tumble there. But again I wanted to see how big

728
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: he was six two to twenty five, all right, like

729
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: that the fact that you know he ran the mid

730
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: four five is kind of something we had heard about

731
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: that that that's what ended up happening. So a little

732
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: bit of a slow starter, more of a build up.

733
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: Speed guy. He's twenty one pennings twenty two about where

734
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: he was last time. Charles Cross twenty three. They've been

735
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: riding together, continued to write together. Kenny pick It. I

736
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: moved up a couple of spots. He's at twenty four. Uh.

737
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: Johan Dotson twenty five, hasn't moved at all. I feel

738
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: like he's I know exactly what I'm getting with him.

739
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: Uh boy, my face moved up. He's twenty six. Malik

740
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Willison moved up a few spots. He's twenty seven. Um.

741
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: I thought he had the best pro day. We've talked

742
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: about that before. Kenyan Green I dropped down a little

743
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: bit from A and m to twenty eight. The guard

744
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: Breece Hall thought he was outstanding watching him at the combine.

745
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: He's at twenty nine. Um, and Andrew Booth the corner

746
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: from Clemson is at thirty about where he's been. So

747
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: that that gets you to thirty. Anything any thoughts there

748
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: real quick? Yeah, a couple of dollars. One. I'm gonna

749
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: say this because sometimes what happens is and I Fast

750
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: Nation with forty times and and how guys run. Sometimes

751
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: the big guys kind of get a bad rap because

752
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: the time comes across the ticker at four or five five.

753
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: I will say that when I worked for the CTCO

754
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: scale Has School was the wide receiver coach, and he said,

755
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: guys who are six two six, three six four four

756
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: or five five is movie. He was like, you have

757
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: to understand when you were a bigger guy and you're

758
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: able to run four or five five or better, that

759
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: is fast for a big guy. And that came from

760
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: his experience when he was at Carolina as wide receiver coach.

761
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: Offense coordinator. Mussi Mohammed um uh God was a Patrick

762
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: Jeff Friese. There's one big, big wide receiver that he

763
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: had that he was able to get a bunch of

764
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: production out of big guys. Joe, you're not gonna count.

765
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: You're not gonna count Daan, Jared, you're not gonna count Dyane,

766
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: Jered and that one. But no, I'm not, I'm not.

767
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm not counting him do it. But for guys like trailing,

768
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: trailing burkes and stuff like that, sometimes that stuff matters,

769
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: like some times we hear four like, oh he's a plotter,

770
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: but a big guy who ables, who is able to

771
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: fast enough. Um, all right, so let's take a quick break.

772
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: We'll come back here and get to the rest of

773
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: this list. All right, but let's pick it back up here.

774
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: Thirty one Kenny Walker. He jumped all the way onto

775
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: the list. Um, so he to me, clearly established himself

776
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: as a number two running back. The questions I had, uh,

777
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: pure top speed and catching the ball. Um, Since I

778
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: did my last list, melt Tucker got me a bunch

779
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: of practice video was able to see him catching the ball,

780
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: so I can answer that question. Um, just didn't have

781
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: as many opportunities to catch it. At Michigan State ran

782
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: extremely well, and he's he's just a really good football player.

783
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: And then the character stuff was exactly the same. I

784
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: said it last year with Javonte Williams. I said, the

785
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: coaches have said the exact same thing about Javonte Williams.

786
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: They said about Nick Chubb. So we've seen what Nick

787
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: Chubb is gonna be buying. Put all your stock in

788
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: on Javonte. You're North Carolina Tario this year. Kenny Walker

789
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: is that guy I'm getting the same exact feedback I

790
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: got on those two players. So anyways, that's a long

791
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: long way of saying he's a thirty one lender bomb.

792
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: I've dropped him down to thirty two just because in

793
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: terms of fit, I don't think he fits everybody. He's

794
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: a center only, um, but I like him as a player.

795
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: He's thirty two. Kuay Walker's thirty three. The linebacker from Georgia.

796
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson's moved up. He's an interior alignment from Boston

797
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: College who I think is just really clean. Matt Corral's

798
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: thirty five, cornerback, quarterback from will Miss Arnold Eba Katie.

799
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: He is thirty six. I started him out a little

800
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: bit too high. I dropped him a little bit too

801
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: low after the Senior Bowl, which was just so so

802
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: came to my senses and kind of get him back

803
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: up to where he belongs. He's at thirty six. Kyler

804
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: Gordon took a huge fall for me just because did

805
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: not run well at all. And I say this every year.

806
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: To me, the combine matters most for corners than any

807
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: other position because I just don't know how, you know

808
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: how you can really really run. You don't know how

809
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: you've been tested, um, you know, tried in terms of

810
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: game speed. So I dropped him a little bit down

811
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: to thirty seven. UM Travis Jones, a big DT we

812
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: both like from Connecticut's thirty eight. Christian Harris, a linebacker

813
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: from Alabama, is thirty nine. And Jalen Petrie, who did

814
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: not run at the Combine, but just a really good

815
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: football player of safety from Baylor. He's forty. There's some

816
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: guys that we hadn't talked about dj UM enough, and

817
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: I would say Christian Harris from Alabama to me is

818
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: one that stands out because I think he's a really

819
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: good player, but he hasn't really got a lot of

820
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: the attention because whenever we talk about the off the

821
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: ball linebackers, we talked about Dean and Lloyd. When I

822
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: look at Harris man every time I look at the

823
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: tape and he is all over the place sideline the sideline, hustling,

824
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: making plays, doing all those things that you want to

825
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: see your off the ball linebacker do. I think it

826
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: has some versatility that also stands out. What do you

827
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: like about Yeah, I mean the same thing is explosive

828
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: and I was a Patrick Queen guy. I think you're

829
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: starting to see Patrick Queen the light starting to come

830
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: on for him taking a minute there with the Ravens,

831
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: but same type of explosiveness. Um. You know. To me,

832
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a dynamic blitzer. Um, he's

833
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: got tremendous range. There's a he's maybe a count late

834
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: with some of the instinct stuff. Um, but it's good enough.

835
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: He makes up for it with his athleticism. I just

836
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: think his best football is ahead of him. I think

837
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: you're buying kind of on the on the rise here

838
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: with with Christian Harris. Yeah. The the other guy that

839
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: uh pops up is the Penn State kid a Katie Katie. Yeah,

840
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: like rush Man, there hadn't been a lot of conversation

841
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: until late, but he's another one of those guys that

842
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: were looking at as an edge rusher that is on

843
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: the rise. I'll just throw this one out there. I

844
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: did see that Eric da costa raven general manager, was

845
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: at the Penn State Pro day. They went shopping at

846
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: Penn State last year and o'dafe o way played really

847
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: well for them as an edge rusher. They can they

848
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: could use another one. It would not surprise me at

849
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: all if if Eba Katie went in the middle of

850
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: the first round. Would not shock me. He's my thirty

851
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: six players. Probably when it's all said and done, gonna

852
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: probably end up inside the top thirty two around in

853
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: that range. So keep an eye on him. Um, he's

854
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: gonna go. Let me rip you through the rest of

855
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: the list. Here forty one Tyler Smith tackle from Tulsa.

856
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: I think he plays some guard. Bernard Ryman tackle from

857
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: Central Michigan. Both those guys dropped a little bit for me.

858
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: Nick Beneto makes an appearance from from Oklahoma. I felt

859
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: like he got kind of lost in the shuffle at

860
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: the combine because, uh, he was in the wrong group. Really,

861
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: they had him with the big guys. He ran the

862
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: mid four fives and he was running with all the

863
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: dt s and so his workout got kind of lost.

864
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: But he is really really twitched up, really explosive white

865
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: outs here at forty four and forty five sky more

866
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: from Western Michigan. Christian Watson from North Dakota State UM

867
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: forty six. Louis Scene comes back into the list the

868
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: safety from Georgia. He ran in the four threes. A

869
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: Jabo uh dropped twenty nine spots. I put him at

870
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: forty seven. I kept him in my top fifty. Obviously

871
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: unfortunate with him popping his achilles there at the Michigan

872
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: Pro Day. I think he'll go in the second round now.

873
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: Sam Howe was about the same spot. He's forty eight

874
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: quarterback from North Carolina, Perry and Winfrey, Oklahoma d tackles

875
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: forty nine and rounding it out is Logan Hall, a

876
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: real versatile, explosive defensive lineman from Houston. First thing I

877
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: gotta ask you about is the wide receiver from North

878
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: Dakota State, Christian Watson. Um. I think he's interesting. I

879
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: like a lot about him. Uh. He's a dominant playmaker

880
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: on that level, and at a time where we're all

881
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: looking for copycats. I think cooper cups emergence as a

882
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: big time player helps him coming from that level. How

883
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: do you make the list? Why do you correct the list? Yeah?

884
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean the speed is real, so you knew that

885
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: I thought he was. I gave him a good grade

886
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: going through and watching him on fall tape and then

887
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: which was just outside my fifty. He's, you know, explosive.

888
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: You see that he's tallways fast. Um gets on top

889
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: of everybody can track the ball really well. And then uh,

890
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: I just didn't know, you know, what type of route

891
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: policies he have, How how versatile is he? What all

892
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: can you get memories? He just gonna be a vertical

893
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: stretch guy. He goes to a senior bowl and you

894
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: get to see him run the route tree, and you

895
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: get to see him getting it out of breaks. You

896
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: can see him went off the line of scrimmage, and

897
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, now this guy is more than a

898
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: vertical stretch receiver. And then he goes out to combine

899
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: and runs in the four threes at six plus pounds.

900
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, yeah, this there's too much here, is

901
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: too much good here. This guy belongs on the list.

902
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: And the sky More was another one who had, you know,

903
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: a really good grade on and you just kind of

904
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: you You're watching him in the MAC and I'm like, okay,

905
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: he's dominant. He's you talk about play strength, quickness, route polosh,

906
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: He's got all that m plays inside plays outside. They

907
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: can use him on jet sweeps, quick hitters, all that stuff.

908
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: He's great. I want to see, though, a how big

909
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: is he? Don't know how big he is? Get to

910
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: the combine big enough and then uh, and then how's

911
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: he gonna run? And uh he was outstanding. So I'm like, okay,

912
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: the last little question marks he answered for me. Yeah, Man,

913
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: those two guys are really really uh intriguing. Scott More

914
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: We've talked about I feel like we've talked about a ton.

915
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: But then Christian why Well, I said, is really intriguing.

916
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: And then um, because we talked about like pass rushers

917
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: Nick Bonito from Oklahoma, he is in the mix. He's

918
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: one of your your fast risers. Why what what is?

919
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: What is what's led to his search? Yeah? First of all,

920
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: the one little fun thing on him, like if you

921
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: play in a division with an athletic quarterback, he might

922
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: be the best quarterback spy that I've that I've evaluated.

923
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: They used him a lot doing that stuff and he

924
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: just kind of drops off in the middle of the

925
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: field and he just and you see quarterbacks take off

926
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: and he sucks him up. Man, he's got big time juice. Um,

927
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: he can really dip and bend. Got a little bit

928
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: of that snapcount anticipation, so he gets wins right off

929
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: the snap. Um, he's fluid, he's loose. Um. To me,

930
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: I think he's he's somebody that's got He's just got

931
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: a lot of intrigue as a rusher. Now, the point

932
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: of attack stuff in the run game, up and down.

933
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: You know, they move guys, they slant guys so much

934
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: in that in that scheme. Sometimes it's hard to evaluate that.

935
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: But he's gonna get caught at times, he's gonna get

936
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna get buried. Um just needs to get stronger.

937
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: But I've got somebody that, to me, gives you a real,

938
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: real impactful rusher coming off the edge. That was some

939
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: of the athleticism and some of the versatility. There's plays

940
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: where you see him peel off and cover a tight end. Um,

941
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: I think you could play him some off the ball,

942
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: you and if you wanted to, I think he he

943
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: could survive out there. So some of that versatility help

944
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: him too. Yeah, some of the versatility certainly help. We're

945
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: all are looking for those guys that can do a

946
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: little more. Last thing, uh, the safety from Georgia. Yeah,

947
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: so seeing I really liked him when I watched him.

948
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: He was he was really really physical, tough kid, excellent

949
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: Philum run the alley, do all that stuff. I just

950
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: didn't know, like the pure coverage stuff. That was my

951
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: knock and look I loved um. What was our safety

952
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: Jonathan Abram who went to the with the Raiders, Right,

953
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: Jonathan Abram was big and tough and fast, was a

954
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: big hitter, but was a little bit, you know, of

955
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: a developmental project. In terms of coverage. Well, we've seen

956
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: him at the NFL and it's been a struggle for him.

957
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: You know, he's struggled saying healthy first and foremost excellent tackler,

958
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: but he's had some issues show up in coverage. So

959
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: try not to repeat the mistake of maybe being a

960
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: little bit too high on somebody that I have coverage

961
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: questions on. Is why I dropped scene out. But then

962
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: I watched him run and work out and move around,

963
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, go back and watch a little

964
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: bit more tape on him, and I saw some things.

965
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm okay, he's he's there's some there's some breadcrumbs out

966
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 1: there for him in coverage. I think he's he's gonna

967
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: be okay. So that's why he got his way back

968
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: onto the list. No questions about speeding, toughness, no question

969
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: about that whatsoever. Yeah, Look, it's an old school, old

970
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: school mentality, old school uh safety when it comes to

971
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: uh seeing being able to come down here and now.

972
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: I will say, you hear him before you see him.

973
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: If you're a practice, you're watching the game, you hear

974
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: the thud before you see it. He's a He's a

975
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: really good player, and I think there is a role

976
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: for him because I still believe football comes down to

977
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: having that enforce in the middle of the field. I

978
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: don't know if there are many better in terms of

979
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: making people pay their taxes when they come across it. Yeah,

980
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: it'll be fascinating too. With with Ojabo real quick, what's

981
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: your comfort level of where you take him? I don't know.

982
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: It's unfortunately DJ, but like with the Achilles and stuff

983
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: like that, I think people are gonna take them where

984
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: they have to take him, not where they want to.

985
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're talking about late day two probably.

986
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll I don't know if he'll

987
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: be a second rond pick. I think you're talking about

988
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: a third or fourth round pick. You know, um, and

989
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: it's really unfortunate, but you know, in a draft where

990
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: you have guys that can give you right now performance

991
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: and production, I think it. I think he kind of

992
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: falls to the back of the line, um, which which sucks.

993
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, let me look, let me look this one

994
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: up here. Okay, So here's here's the hope for him.

995
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: Last year, or guys should have been was it last

996
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: year or two years ago? It was last year? Last

997
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: year day O Dingbo from from Vanderbilt. Remember he tore

998
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: his achilles right before the Senior Bowl. Um so a

999
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, not much earlier, but a little bit earlier.

1000
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: And the Colts took him in the second round pick

1001
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: fifty four. And then he ended up getting on the

1002
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: field last year and and played pretty well. So that's

1003
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: gonna help him a little bit. That's a bigger guy

1004
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: he was, you know, remembering him six five and five

1005
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: pounds of those thirty five on a quarter inch charms.

1006
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: He was kind of a freak. Um would have been

1007
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: a first round pick if if he didn't pop his achilles.

1008
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: But the fact that he went in the second round

1009
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: and came back. I know one thing if I was

1010
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: if I was Ojabos agent, you know the first call

1011
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: on making here go let me get it to you

1012
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: right here. It's gonna be like this, Hey, cam cam Akers, Hey,

1013
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: I represent David What in the world did you do

1014
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: after you tore your achilles to come back and look

1015
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: like you did? Really? Okay, where do I meet him? Okay, Yeah,

1016
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean I'm gonna whatever the heck cam Akers did

1017
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: to get back that fast from the torn least do that.

1018
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: That's my advice. Yeah, that's the only thing, because modern

1019
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: medicine has certainly made it where we've seen guys come

1020
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: back and come back stronger. I mean, look, you are

1021
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: a beneficiary of modern medicine having come back from the

1022
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: Achilles from your stuff, I didn't look coming back like

1023
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 1: cam Makers. Maybe maybe maybe your job bo was aging

1024
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: to pick up the phone to call you and see

1025
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: how you're able to make not so much, but um no,

1026
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: a job certainly has that. But you know, what you're

1027
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: trying to do is you're trying to figure out the

1028
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: right range with that injury and typically cost you around

1029
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: it two and so maybe he is able to be

1030
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: picked at the bottom of the second round. And look,

1031
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: he missed out on some of that change, but hopefully

1032
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: if he played well, he'll make up for it hopefully

1033
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: gets to the right spot. Um all right, I know

1034
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: this what kind of long here, because we had to

1035
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: start off with our Will Smith hot takes. But it

1036
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: was a fun episode, man, anything else you want to

1037
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: add before we jump out of here? Buck? No, Man,

1038
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: These are kind of episodes that I love when we

1039
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: have a chance to go through and just have like

1040
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: open conversations about these players. And I think, um, as

1041
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: we get closer and closer to draft, I think more

1042
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: of these conversations when we begin to do what we

1043
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: call our cluster busters and begin to have like these

1044
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: these questions that are being debated in meeting rooms based

1045
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: on some of the conversations and phone calls that we

1046
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: get from our buddies, I think being able to ring

1047
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: those to the pot, I think that also we'll be fine, Damn,

1048
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: no doubt. Um all right. I hope you guys have

1049
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: enjoyed this one and would encourage you if you haven't already,

1050
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: go to Apple Podcast leave us a review. I haven't

1051
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: asked for those in a while, so we're kind of

1052
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: lagging on some of those ratings and reviews. So if

1053
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: you have a minute, if you enjoy the show, do

1054
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: us a solid get over there and leave us a

1055
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: rating and review, And if you have some questions you

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Speaker 1: can drop them in the review as well. See if

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Speaker 1: we can't get to some of those before we get

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Speaker 1: to the draft. All right, that's gonna do it for us.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with another episode before you know it,

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Speaker 1: See you next time. Right here, I'm moving the sticks moment,

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