WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: What's Next? 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.200 The following Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:18.080 and the Dallas Cowboys football clubs. Are you ready for 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.800 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:26.119 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:31.520 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:37.800 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.440 It is Wednesday, February sixteenth, twenty twenty two, Season seventeen, 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.760 episode number one oh four. Welcome to the latest edition 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.559 of The Break. We are live from the SWBC Mortgage studios. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.040 At the start, We've got a lot we're gonna talk 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.680 about today. We're gonna finish up our conversation on the 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:54.800 salary cap we started that last week. There will be 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.480 more questions I have for these guys about guys that 0:00:57.840 --> 0:00:59.480 could be here and could be not here in the 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.800 amount of niel take to do both. Before we get 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:04.959 into that, though, I would get one to start first 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.920 with a little opener here, And obviously we usually would 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.240 give everybody an opportunity to talk about a sports topic 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.480 from the previous week. But I think this week we 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.840 got to talk about super Bowl. It was obviously a 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.360 game that that was. I thought it was a good game. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:18.760 I thought it was a fun game. I know some 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:20.560 people I've talked to they were like, yah, it's kind 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:21.840 of boring. But I thought it was good. It was 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.920 good defense. What were you gouts thoughts on the game? 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:28.080 Just in general, Logan Wilson did nothing wrong. The refs 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.160 completely botched the end of that game. It was not 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.720 it was not defensive holding. They had called three flags 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.240 all the way through that game, and the subsequent flags 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:41.960 were penalties, but that was not and the Rams still 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:43.600 would have had a fourth downd to try to score 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.120 or convert. And I thought the refs completely botched what 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.520 would have been otherwise a really dramatic moment, you know, 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.320 to give the Rams first and goal on a BS 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.200 call like that, I just thought tainted it. Obviously I'm 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.800 a little biased. I wanted the Fingals to win. Just 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.720 full disclosure, full disclosure. Yeah, I mean if if if 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.640 I had really wanted the Rams to win, I would 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:07.680 have had a reason why that was okay. Yeah, you know, 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.440 Ramsey got face masked on the long touchdown to Higgins. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.840 I get it, but I just thought that kind of 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.600 put a damper on you have tattooed his face on 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.800 you your body, Joe. They wanted to know I'm not 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.040 I'm not tattooing another person on me. That's a lot 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.480 bad idea. That's a lot unless it's like mom, like 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.560 mom can get that kind of mona go there. But 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.399 other than that, maybe Mom just don't. But I'm really 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.040 happy for Odell, really happy for Andrew Whitworth. Way to 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.359 go there, unless you guys on both squads like, yeah, 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.519 that's the beauty of it. Yeah we got guys. Yeah, 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.560 what do you think? Yeah, you know what. Some people 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.400 didn't find it fun, and I get it, but it 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.040 was fun to me. It was fun to see a 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.040 different team on the Super Bowl and and it allows 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.440 you to in your mind be like, Okay, well it 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:57.560 could happen. We can see ourselves in there someday. You know, 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.120 it's doing doing the Bengals got there, we're doing. I'm 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.079 actually gonna ask that question, like did you come out 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.720 of that game feeling better, worse or about the same 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.000 as what you did at the end of the season, Like, man, 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:09.760 maybe I could see the Cowboys here or I have 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.799 I can't see any fat I can't even fathom the 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.440 Cowboys being here, like, did it change anything for you, Jimmy. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.560 It was a mixture of both, because on one hand, 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.840 it's like, Okay, yes, it's absolutely doable, But on the 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.200 other hand, it's like, damn, I feel like this was 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.040 the year. You know, the Cowboys had shown so many things. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.359 Obviously not at the end of the year, but they 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.720 had shown so much potential, and I really felt that 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.760 this was our year if there was ever gonna be 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.920 a year, and it did not happen. So personally, it 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.000 was a mixture of both. But once again, you talk 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.800 about defense and defenses winning championships for you, and we 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.560 saw that with Aaron Donald, and it was just like, damn, Okay, 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.640 we definitely need another step up on this defense. And 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.320 I truly believe they were getting close to getting there, 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:02.320 but we need a bad as defense any good quarterback. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.520 I mean, I thought it was the best ever. I mean, 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.800 just a coloution of talent. Yeah, I mean, I'd like 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.920 to start with and then and then Eminem comes in 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.440 and fifty cent. I'm all in on that. I mean, yeah, 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.279 I mean, I just thought it was it was amazing, 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.000 and I don't care what people say. I mean, I 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.200 was arguing with people onto it, not really arguing because 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:22.720 I was I said it was the best ever, and 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.480 people said I was wrong, and I told him I 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.719 wasn't asking. I mean right, I was my opinion. This 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.800 is mean what in a question mark like best ever? 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.600 Like not best ever? Because Dave knows this. I mean 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.320 all that is in my wheelhouse and in the early 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.440 nineties hip ho hop see. I think of that as 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.080 more my wheelhouse. I mean never. That's what made it great. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.520 It was a combination of not not not not I 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.400 mean Dre and Snoop no, but the era, like they 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.159 didn't play early nineties stuff like he was playing stuff 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.039 from two thousand and one, which is when I was 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.680 in middle school high school. Loved it and yeah, I'm 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.720 just saying. I mean, fifty cent in the club is like, yeah, 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.240 that's definitely yeah. I mean I've Kendrick Lamar. I mean, 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.359 that's really my wheelhouse. But you know, I mean we 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.880 can share it. I thought it was awesome. As for 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.320 the game, you know, the Cowboy. To win it, you've 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.000 got to be like I mean, Matthew Stafford him, and 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.440 look how many times they almost didn't get there. You know, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.440 they almost just lost that whole thing against the Rams, 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.800 and then the forty nine ers were in control, and 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.120 then the Mingals were in control. So to win it, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:25.880 win a Super Bowl, you've got to go three or 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.680 four times. You've got to be like perfect and make 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.320 all the plays against good teams. And the Cowboys only 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.360 made the plays against a good team once and that 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.039 was the Patriots. Before the Patriots even got it going, 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.080 they were kind of bad before that, so they nedn't 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.040 really beat a good team playing well all year, and 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:45.520 you have to do it three or four times. So 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.520 I don't know if they're really that close. And not 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.919 only that, I think that game to me showed that 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.240 you gotta be good, well really good. You also have 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.320 to have some lucky moments. That that call, Dave, I 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.680 think was a good That was a lucky moment for 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.240 the Rams, because that was a very questionable call. I'm 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.000 not gonna say it was a wrong call because I 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.920 think there's a there's case that technically it probably could 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.120 have been a holding. But I do think that's a 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.680 lucky break for the Rams. And I think in any 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.440 any team is going to win a championship along the way, 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.960 you're gonna have some lucky breaks that just are not 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.400 about you. It's just a lucky break that happens, and 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.640 that's how you get where you get Stafford through a 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.080 duck to Jakoiski Tart in the NFC title game that 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.920 got dropped. And if it doesn't, you're sitting here saying, like, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.520 rooms did all this, and we're so they fell so short, 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.800 and this is why you don't go all in and 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.159 do all this crazy stuff. And imagine that now we're building, 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.760 we're building a narrative around how the Niners got it right. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.320 That's and I mean, you can always try to learn 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.279 stuff from the Super Bowl teams, but I think you 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:45.840 got to take it with a grain of salt too, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.000 because it takes so many breaks to pull that off. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.120 It absolutely does. And I want to say, like not 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.599 to be glass half empty, but I think Cowboy fans 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.120 buy and large are still pretty pissed off. Oh yeah, 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.520 and rightfully so. And so when I see the Bengals 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.200 in the Super Bowl, it actually makes me feel dejected 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.919 because I look, I love Joe Burrow, but I'm just 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.240 like this, say, this is not a super Bowl team. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.200 Like they got there with a point margin of thirteen 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.280 points in the playoffs, Like by the skin of their teeth. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.720 Joe got sacked like eighteen times in the playoffs. That's 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:22.080 not an exaggeration. And I'm just like these guys there, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.440 I'm all credit to them, they got there, but like 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.880 that is not what a Super Bowl team traditionally looks like. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.800 And I just look at that and I'm like, cowboys 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.320 can't pull this out of their butts once in twenty 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.520 six years. Even they've had great teams make the playoffs. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.559 They've kind of snuck into the playoffs a few times, 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.360 doesn't matter. They've never they've never caught that lightning in 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.280 a bottle when they needed to. And I'm just like, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.560 if these guys can do it, it's a matchup of 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.920 two or four seeds. Hasn't happened in forever, Yeah, and 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.600 we're sitting here wondering why a team that's been the one, two, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.320 three seed can't pull it off. It's just like, my god, man, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.960 so like it's almost more statistically improbable that you don't 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.960 ever string something together than it is that you do 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:06.680 because the other teams that are in the same boat 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.120 with you, they're teams that have just been traditionally bad, 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.400 like they don't make playoff appearances. Right, That's the part 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.840 that's weird is when you look at the Cowboys, they're 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.960 an anomaly from the standpoint of a team that regularly 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.160 has been in the mix, but for whatever reason, for 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.920 twenty six years, hasn't won champions been to a championship game. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.800 Like it tells me like they've part of that. They've 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.600 been just unlucky. They don't get those kind of breaks 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.079 for whatever moment, and in those moments where a break 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.480 here or break there makes a difference, they don't get 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.760 those breaks, and by quite frankly, they haven't been good 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.720 enough and whatever reason. You can look around too, Like 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.200 the cruelty of it is like the I mean, the 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.840 Bengals are in that club right now, but the Panthers 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.120 stand out to me, the Buccaneers. Tampa's a little different 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:55.520 because they signed Tom Brady, but even like even franchises 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.920 that you typically think of as like kind of sorry, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.719 like the Panthers are either pretty bad or they're good 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.439 enough to be in the Super Bowl, and they've made 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.000 it twice over the last twenty years, just two more 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.480 times than the Cowboys have, and you're just like, they 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.880 can't do it. Either way. They can't be dominant the 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.720 way that these perennial playoff contenders are and they can't 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.400 pull a rabbit out of their hat either and it 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.840 just it sucks. It's frustrating. Yeah, Nick, what do you 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.400 think about DeMarcus ware not getting into the Hall of Fame. 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.839 I was surprised, obviously, until I've you know, called around 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.520 and figured out, like what was what's going on? And 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:32.440 I realized that the committee is making a big change, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:36.320 and they took a stance this year to let everyone 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.280 know that they want they want to differentiate between first 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.200 ballot Hall of Famers and Hall of Famers, and they 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.240 made a point this year to get some other guys 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.600 in there that they thought was deserving, and they didn't 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.520 put DeMarcus in that category. And so it's unfortunate because 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.560 it was going to be a bad Hall of Fame 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.760 class if he was in there, and for him not 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.199 to put in there like that, I just think it 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.600 was terrible, you know, But I just don't understand the 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.000 difference if you're a Hall of Famer or a Hall 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:06.960 of Famer. But then again, this is coming from the 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.720 person like when I graduated high school, you know, it 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.960 was just a cap and gown. But then some people 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.520 have like a little yellow tassels, you know, to show 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.160 that they were with honors. I mean I didn't have 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.040 that obviously. I'm just like, what's the difference, and we're 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.480 all graduating here, but like these people were honors. I 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.480 feel like that's what this is. It was like, well, 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.960 you have a really gold platinum, gold jacket. You just 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.680 have a gold jacket, platinum goal, I think, which it's 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.480 really disappointing. I thought he deserved to be in. I 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.480 was honestly shocked, Like I kept I watched it live 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.760 when they brought them all out, and like you know, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:41.760 they cut to the presenter first, and they cut to 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.520 Emmett and I was like, okay, Emmet's introducing somebody. It's 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.360 got to be DeMarcus Ware and it was like a 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.800 ref or something, and then like they got are you 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.040 kidding And they got to the end. I was like, um, 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.840 I still haven't heard Demarcus's name. Like it took probably 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.280 thirty seconds for me to finally accept that he wasn't 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.959 getting called. Said all of that, Like to your point, 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.040 if you're a Hall of Famer, you're a Hall of Famer, 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.960 and I guarantee you that was the committee's mindset in 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.760 the opposite direction. And they're like, he'll get in next year. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.160 What's the difference. These guys might not get in ever, 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.280 And I think that's what we just saw. They're like, 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.280 let's they cleared the backlog. They were like, these guys 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.440 have been stuck for a while. People have been arguing 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:24.559 on behalf of Leroy Butler and Tony Boselli is another one. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.960 Like they people have been arguing about these guys for 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.200 a decade. And I think they were like, and you 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.199 can disagree with me if you want, but the committee 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.520 was like, they're deserving, let's get them in. DeMarcus Ware 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.800 will be in. And it was validated. This was just 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.920 my opinion and it was validated the next day when 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.320 Rick Goslin, who's like the godfather of Hall of Fame voters, 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.360 he wrote that column basically like his column was like, 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.320 DeMarcus Ware's time is coming. These guys need to go in. 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.680 And I'm like, disagree, but okay, And so I don't 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.800 know he'll be in next year. Let's talk about Leroy 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.920 Butler for a second. Yeah, because this is act feel 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.199 on that. Yeah, but this is actually you should be No, 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.000 you should be happy. It's a good But what I'm saying, 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:05.959 that's why they have the mixed feelings. Yeah, he's not 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.319 a better player than Darren Woodson never has never, never 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.720 has been, I mean never will be, obviously, but he wasn't. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.920 He wasn't in the same category. But they voted him. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.480 Those voters voted him at All Decade Team for the nineties. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.040 So he had to go in before Woodson. So Woodson's 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.640 ever going to get in. John Lynch had to get in, 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.439 Lorie Butler had to get in in their mind, and 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.440 so now this opens the door. I think for Woodson 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.880 more than than you you know, you would think it would. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.120 It's the most confident I've ever felt that wood He's 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.800 gonna get in. Yeah. Maybe maybe not in twenty twenty three, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.880 but like I think you can grease those wheels now, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.880 which is cool. It's just weird for me. I look 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.280 at the list of guys and I think, particularly there 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.680 were two names on this list this year that to 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.120 me are more deserving of the Hall of Fame. And 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.000 I understand they're like they're trying to get guys in 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.800 that that are deserving. I guess but I'm always like, 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.120 take them and put them on a list of best 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.200 to worst, and then the ones out of the best 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.960 in that group get to go. Because I think DeMarcus 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.920 Ware and I think another travisty was was Patrick Willis. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.720 Patrick Willis, in time he played the NFL, was considered, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.920 in my opinion, among the very best linebackers. And there 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:13.800 was a period of time there where he was the 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:18.120 best linebacker middle linebacker in the NFL. And to me, 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.240 that's what a Hall of Famer is. And so I'm 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.520 just I don't really know. Obviously I'm not in those meetings. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.200 I don't know how they talk about all this stuff, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.600 but to me, I think so often they get caught 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.800 up in all the other things. Who do these guys 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:33.400 back on? Do we need to get? Me? Like, just 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.240 make it simple? Who are the best players? And listen 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.600 out in order of the best players, and the top 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.760 number of them get in that. That to me is 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:42.520 the best and most simple way to do this and 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.199 do it right. You know how long we've been doing 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.520 this show is seventeen years, and I'll tell you to 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.840 put it in perspective. We were on doing a pre 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.040 draft show one time before the Draft show. We were 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:57.360 just doing our show. And trust me, I'm wrong about 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.880 a lot of people. But I was like, the cow 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.040 Boys needs to draft Devin Hester. Yeah, second or third round, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.080 because remember that this guy will make a difference. And 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.120 I think I said third round, and he went in 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.560 the second round, so like that wasn't gonna happen. But 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.760 like I came to my office when he got drafted, like, oh, 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.520 my guy's gone. Yeah. Of course. I also was like 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.840 I did not want to Marcus Ware, so I just 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.920 thought Derek Johnson was a way better pick than DeMarcus Ware. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:24.600 And he was pretty good, but he was it was 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.080 a good player, had a good career. I don't know 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:31.520 if and Devin Hester belongs in the Hall of Fame. 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.120 I agree, And again when you talk about it, if 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.040 you say, man, this guy changed. It was the very 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.120 best at what he did in the time he was 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.480 in the NFL. Then to me, that's easy. Those are 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.320 the guys that should be first ballot, right because like 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.680 they they are guys that are that were recognized by 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.080 their peers and by media and whoever else in the 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:52.920 time they were playing. They were among the very best 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.440 in the league every year. I just I agree, and 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.760 I think it gets a little convoluted sometimes, but I 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.480 also think that's it's that's a really hard job because 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.880 everybody's got an opinion about this, Like Baselli has been 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.840 a flashpoint player for years. He only played ninety one 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.160 NFL games, but he's a three time All Pro, and 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:16.080 anybody who's familiar with that era, especially like watching the Jags, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.320 like anyone will tell you he was the best tackling 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.760 football for a four year period, which willis is kind 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.720 of similar. He only played like seven years, but he 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.320 was the absolute best almost the whole time he did it. 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:31.120 And so parsing all of that out is tough. So 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.160 I don't envy those guys, and it's disappointing for where 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.800 but I all, like, I'll bet you twenty dollars today 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.800 he's in at this time next year, So I think 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.720 this time last week, I think we all probably would 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.280 have bet made that same bit, yeah that he was 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.360 gonna be in, and he wasn't. And so I just 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.680 I just hate when they put it off like, oh, 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.880 he'll get in. I just think if a guys do 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.360 and ready, he should be in. Like I just think 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.040 that you wait to five years for that period and 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.160 then if you're ready and you're the guy, you should 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.840 get it. He's absolutely got a resume deserving of being 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.680 first ballot. And Jared Allen didn't get in either, did 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.920 he And that's another guy that probably has a first 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.400 ballot resume in my opinion, maybe not as good as Wears, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.800 but you could make the case. I mean, honestly, it's 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.040 it's hard. I think you're right. It's hard when you 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.400 get to this point because most of the guys that 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.240 were finalists, you could make an argument, a pretty credible 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.240 argument that they belong in the Hall of Fame. The 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.520 question just becomes who gets in what year? And that's 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.840 why I'm like, just take it in order. Who's the 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.160 best players, and the best players that year get in. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.520 If that means you're never among the best that year, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.000 that probably also tells you something that maybe they're not 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.160 Hall of Famers. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.800 What I don't like is this bubbling conversation that Stafford's 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.760 a Hall of Famer now that he won a Super Bowl. Mike, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.680 you gotta be kidding me. I mean, his career is 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.840 not over. Maybe he will be by the time it's over, 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.520 but him winning that game on Sunday does not put 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:51.840 him in the Hall of Fame. And let you hear 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.480 Richard Sherman. Yeah, and I agreed with everything he said, like, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.520 at no point have you even been one of the 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:01.040 three best quarterbacks in the league. Yeah. So anyway, all right, 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:02.680 we're gonna take our first break when we come back. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.320 We're gonna get into this conversation of the salary cap. 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.239 We've got a lot of questions for these guys. We 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.040 started that last week. We talked about most of the 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.480 offensive guys. We got a couple offensive guys and some 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.399 defensive guys. We need to get to how to that 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.080 when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.960 Com Radio. At ATNC, everyone new and existing customers get 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.280 our best deals on every smartphone. 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