1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. It is 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: Ashley and today Ben isn't here for this episode because 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: we're gonna have a very women forward episode because Whitney 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 2: Bischoff is here, who was on my season, the quote 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: winner of my season, and I haven't seen her for years, 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: but I'm so glad to see your face. 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: Hello, Whitney, how are you doing it? 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 4: Oh good? It's like girl chats, all like bringing me 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 4: back to the mansion when it's like we're having these 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 4: girl chats. 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: Love it, love girl chats. You had a lot of 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: girl chats about fertility in the in the house, because 15 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: that is what you're an expert at, your fertility nurse. Yes, 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: and then lo and behold, you had to go through 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: quite a fertility journey of your own. Yes, so you 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: and so we're just gonna like jump into the yeah, 19 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: because you're here because you were pregnant, but you never 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: posted about it on social media and all of a sudden, 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: you're like surprise months later. But it was something to 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: get her into this world. Yes, so it is you 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: and your husband Ricky. You got married, Like what five 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 2: years ago, past, six years ago. 25 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 4: Almost going on six. Yeah, it'll be six this year. 26 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 4: I cannot believe it. I mean, it's been almost a 27 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 4: decade since we were on the show. I meed at least. 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I know you've made appearance, well sure, but 29 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: nine years from that original show, which I hold so 30 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: much nostalgia for. 31 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 3: I can't believe it's been nine years. 32 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 4: I can't either. Where's the time gone? 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's so scary. And you know, when 34 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: you have kids it goes even faster. So like, yeah, 35 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: you had your your son, You had your son Hayes, Yes, 36 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: soon after getting married, right, yeah, so he's four years Okay, 37 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: so we were married about a year exactly when he 38 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: joined us, and he is just such a peach. 39 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 4: I just taste the best. I mean, little boys are 40 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 4: the best, right. 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: They are quite something. And I know I have talked 42 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: about how I had quote gender disappointment. It made some 43 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: headlines a few weeks ago, which was the most dramatic 44 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: thing ever. I'm like, you, guys, let's be clear here. Yeah, 45 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: when we go when we tell people we're pregnant and 46 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: we don't know what the gender is or sex is yet, 47 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: people say, what do you want. 48 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, you usually have an opinion, right, well, absolutely. 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 4: And you've got a sister if that same with me, 50 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: like exactly sister and I that's all we know. So 51 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 4: I get that. 52 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: I know, yes, I wanted to have you know, and 53 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: my initial thought was that I wanted to have sisters, 54 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: the exact same thing that I grew up with, because 55 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: I'm so so close to her. 56 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 3: But then you know, you find out it's a boy, 57 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: and yes, maybe you're like, oh man, I don't I 58 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: don't know how to deal with boys, and like, it's 59 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: a boy, gonna want to go to boy band concerts 60 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: and like play with American girl dolls. 61 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe, but I totally get that when 62 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 4: you said that, I related. It doesn't mean that you 63 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 4: are not happy with your son or anything like that. 64 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 4: I mean, oh my gosh, I love being a boy mom. 65 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 4: It's so much fun. It's just not knowing what to expect. Yes, 66 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 4: and you've grown up. 67 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: With all girls. Yeah, and I didn't even know like 68 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: I had. Now I can't even picture having a girl, 69 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: which is weird. Like, yes, i'd like a girl, but 70 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: I also would be totally happy with a boy it's 71 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: it's so wild how much it does not matter when 72 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: the kid is here. 73 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: The love between a mom and a son too is 74 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: just there's nothing compares to it. It's really nicesome. 75 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so so nice. 76 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: All right. So let's so you with your son, conceiving 77 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: with your son, let's get into the nit. 78 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 4: So let's get into it. So when you. 79 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: Conceive with your son, did it how long did it 80 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: take to conceive? If you don't mind me asking, it 81 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: took us seven months? It took us seven months. 82 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think it took about six months 83 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 4: somewhere around there. But as a fertility nurse and just 84 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: as being with me, I am such a planner, so 85 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 4: type a like, you know, I had my whole you know, 86 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 4: future written out for me in terms of I'm going 87 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: to get pregnant at this age and then I'm going 88 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 4: to get pregnant again at this age, and this is 89 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 4: the way it's all going to go. And that's a 90 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 4: joke because you can't plan anything. So after a couple 91 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: months when it didn't work, even knowing that that's very 92 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: normal that it can take a little bit of time. 93 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 4: Being a fertility nurse and kind of specializing in this field. 94 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 4: I was, you know, beside myself, like why hasn't worked? 95 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 4: What's going on? I'm doing all of this testing on 96 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: myself to like check my fertility and talking with you know, 97 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: the experts that I work with, and you know, I 98 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 4: actually did sit down with the physician, doctor Camplin, that 99 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 4: I work with, and just said, hey, should I tap 100 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: into my previously frozen eggs because, as everyone knows, I 101 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: froze my eggs. Gosh, I don't even know like thirteen 102 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: fourteen years ago. So the question that he posed to me, 103 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 4: which I thought was really smart, was well, how many 104 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 4: children do you want to have? Do you want to 105 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 4: have more than one? I was like absolutely. He's like, well, 106 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: you're going to just continue to get older. Those eggs 107 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: are going to stay on ice, you know, at the 108 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: same quality that they were when they were frozen, which 109 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: I was young. I was twenty seven when I did it. 110 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 4: So he's like, just be patient. So I had to 111 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 4: take my you know, own advice that I give to patients, 112 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 4: like it takes some time, you know, takes sometimes some persistence. 113 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that anything's kind of going on. You know, 114 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 4: if you're less than thirty five. It can sometimes take 115 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: up to a year, so we just kind of stuck 116 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: with it and finally conceived. I think it was about 117 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: six months, so somewhere around you know, like with you, 118 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 4: it took so it took some. 119 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 2: Time to me. Yeah, I think this is important to 120 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: talk about because I because I've been open about it 121 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: taking seven months. 122 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 123 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: Lots of girls get into my DMS and they're like, hey, 124 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: it's been three or four months. I'm starting to freak out. 125 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: How do you stay calm? And I'm like, okay, Well 126 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 2: for me, yes, when we got to the five month mark, 127 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: I was like me, my body because I always thought 128 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: like everybody was like, oh, this is so stupid. It's 129 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: honestly stupid. But I'm going to say what people would 130 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: tell me. I'd be like, your body shape is like 131 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: you're like such, you're so at all? 132 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: Right? 133 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: Well you can just yeah, like you really have birthing hips, 134 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: like you just look like, yeah, isn't that funny? 135 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 4: That's bizarre? 136 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: Is okay? 137 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: So I always like grew up just being like oh 138 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: about regular periods and birthinghips. I should be totally fure 139 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: five months that's not like whatever. So then at six 140 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: months I hadn't had like an annual guy no appointment 141 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: in like two or three years. So I was just like, 142 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: I'll go to the guy. Know, see what she says 143 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: about this. And she was like, at I was thirty 144 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: two when we conceive, and she was like wait. I 145 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: was like, no, wait, hold on, yes, it was thirty two. Wait, 146 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: hold on, how old are I now? I was thirty three? 147 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: Holy shit? Okay, So she was like, you're fine. 148 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: I wouldn't think, for like looking at like all your 149 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: info here, that we would need to worry at all 150 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: or like think about taking other steps until we're a 151 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: full year of trying. Do you do you agree full 152 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: year of trying at thirty three? 153 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 4: At thirty three, yeah, I would say, if you're older 154 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: than thirty five six. 155 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: Months, okay, all right? And that is because because. 156 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 4: Your fertility is declining, so and you know, at thirty 157 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 4: five we see a higher jump in decline. So it's 158 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 4: I mean, it's always declining from the moment we're born, 159 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 4: fertilities declining, but you know, at thirty five we see 160 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: more of a steeper decline. So that's why people say, 161 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 4: don't wait after you know, a full year after thirty five? 162 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 4: Kind of jump on it around that six month mark. 163 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: Okay, cool, So then you can see at six months 164 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: you're all you're like happy, and then I'm happy. 165 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: You know, we have you know, I had a really 166 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 4: easy pregnancy, easy birth. It was just amazing, and we 167 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: were ready again to try for baby number two. But 168 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 4: something I actually haven't talked about at all, so you're 169 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 4: hearing it here first is I got really sick after 170 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: Hayes was born. I started having some really weird chest 171 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 4: pain and was going to the doctor about it, and 172 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: I was just kind of shelved. You know, I was 173 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 4: a young woman complaining of chest pain. So what's the 174 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 4: first thing? They told me? It's anxiety, it's stress, and 175 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 4: I am a high strung, anxious person, so I believed it. 176 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: But it continued. This chest pain continued to occur for 177 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 4: about a year and it was getting progressively worse, and 178 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: we were vacationing in Cape cod and I ended up 179 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: in the ICU having to have emergency heart surgery because 180 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: I had gone into cardiac tampin on because I had 181 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: three and a half cups of fluid around my heart. 182 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 4: So that postponed our trying to get pregnant, so that 183 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 4: then was a long healing process. I was seen at Mayo. 184 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 4: It was such a mess. So here for like be 185 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: an advocate for yourself, especially as a woman, because I 186 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 4: knew something was wrong, and I just kept being shelved, 187 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: you know, like it's you're fine, you know, you're fine, 188 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 4: until it almost cost me my life. I mean so 189 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 4: because of that, and because I obviously, you know, needed 190 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: to get that under control, and I was put on 191 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 4: tons of medication that were not conducive with pregnancy. I 192 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 4: was not able to attempt to get pregnant. I was told, 193 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 4: you can't, We've got to get this under control. Your 194 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 4: heart's under way too much stress and being pregnant. I mean, 195 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: your your heart is pumping for two write your blood 196 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 4: volume increases. So they were saying, you know, we don't 197 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 4: even know if you'll ever be able to have another baby. 198 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that crushing. 199 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 4: Oh you cannot even imagine. It was such a grieving process, 200 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: and then thinking maybe we're going to have to go 201 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 4: to the surrogate route. So I was not even sure 202 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 4: that another child was in the future for us. But I, 203 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 4: by the grace of God and the physicians that I 204 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 4: worked with and the experts and cardiologists got this. So 205 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 4: it ended up being viral pairis which was attacking my heart. 206 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 4: So once that finally got under control, it took about 207 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 4: another year. I got the go ahead to attempt only. 208 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 3: So is this like a two year process on all? 209 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 4: Yes, So at this point, I'm, you know, considered geriatric 210 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 4: for pregnancy, and I know too the entire time the 211 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 4: stress that I was under just dealing with the heart 212 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: stuff and to scare with that. But then knowing I'm 213 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 4: getting older, my clock is ticking, and I did have 214 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 4: those eggs, which was I was so thankful for because 215 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 4: when you freeze your eggs, I feel like you think 216 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 4: it's a backup plan. I'm hopefully never I'm never gonna 217 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 4: need those, you know, but I did, so we ended 218 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 4: up tapping into those eggs. 219 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: You Okay, let's talk about egg freezing for a second. 220 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: A lot of people think that it's like a guarantee, 221 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: But isn't it less likely that, like the eggs are 222 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: going to unfreeze. 223 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: Defrost and you'll lose a good amount. 224 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: But it's it's actually more get not guaranteed, but closer 225 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 2: to it. If they're embryos defrosting, embryos is more successful 226 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: often than defrosting eggs. 227 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think this is really interesting because yes, 228 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 4: I mean, embryos are always going to be more stable 229 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 4: than eggs because it's all of the chromosomes that you 230 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 4: need to make a baby, whereas an egg's only half 231 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 4: of the equation. So I always say, like, if you're 232 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 4: an embryo, you're walking steadily on two feet, whereas if 233 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 4: you're an egg, you're kind of limping on one. So 234 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 4: it's you're more easily damaged, easily messed with. But depending 235 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 4: on the laboratory and the experts that you are going to, 236 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 4: you know, in terms of their experience with that freezing, 237 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 4: some of those rates can be essentially you know, the same. 238 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 4: So in some places, like you know, at Ova, our 239 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 4: success rates are about i would say, probably five to 240 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 4: ten percent different. So for some women, you know, to me, 241 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 4: if you're a single woman, that's not that big of 242 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: a difference to then decide to get a sperm donor 243 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 4: and freeze an embryo versus freezing an egg. But yes, 244 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 4: they were always be a little bit more successful with 245 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 4: embryos versus eggs. But now with the increase in technology 246 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: and experience that a lot of people have. It It's 247 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: not as large as it once was. 248 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: So you tap into your eggs for this is Did 249 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: you try it all to do it naturally for six months? 250 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no no. At that point I was like 251 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 4: we are ready to and not kind of knowing what 252 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 4: was going to be going on with my health. We 253 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 4: started with the thiwing when I was going through the 254 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 4: treatment process for lazing the eggs for my heart. So 255 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 4: we went through that whole process, we got our embryos, 256 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 4: and then when I got the clear to move forward, 257 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 4: we started prepping to transfer the embryos. And that was 258 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 4: the start of a very long journey. So yeah, so 259 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 4: I went through an embryo. Well, I started to prep 260 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 4: for a couple embryo transfers that were canceled. So it's 261 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: you know, I was taking these medications and going in, 262 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 4: you know, to prep for this transfer, but I my 263 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 4: lining was not thickening appropriately, so you know, you want 264 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 4: the atmosphere of the uterus to be completely perfect to 265 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 4: transfer this embryo. So if it's not, there is always 266 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 4: that chance that the cycle could be canceled. And so 267 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 4: that happened to me twice before I ever made it 268 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 4: to a transfer. We did finally make it to transfer, 269 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 4: and it unfortunately was not successful. And then in the 270 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 4: between kind of months, a couple of times I was 271 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 4: we were trying naturally, and I kept getting pregnant naturally 272 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 4: and having very early miscarriages. So it was just one 273 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: thing after another. And then about a year ago I 274 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 4: had an ectopic pregnancy, So that was scary too. 275 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 2: So for those who don't know an next topic, pregnancy 276 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: means that the egg implanted into her phallopian tube. 277 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 4: My filipine tube. Yeah, and so we caught. 278 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: It extremely painful. 279 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we caught it early, which was good. But 280 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 4: I think also about that too, I just knew to 281 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 4: ask the right questions because I'm in the field. I 282 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 4: think about so many women that may not have known 283 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 4: to ask the questions again to advocate for themselves, that 284 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: it could have been much different. So yeah, so that 285 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 4: was a long journey too, because then you have to 286 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 4: postpone again for three months because I got a medication 287 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 4: that takes care of the pregnancy that's in your too, 288 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: because obviously it's life threatening to the mother to continue 289 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: to let it grow and the pregnancy is not going 290 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: to be viable, but with that medication, and that was 291 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 4: the decision that we chose for the route we chose 292 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 4: to go because I didn't want to risk losing my 293 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 4: fallopian tube and a surgery. 294 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, how do they even save 295 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: a Philippian tube if there's been an implanted embryo. 296 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 4: So sometimes they can go in and just remove what's 297 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 4: inside of the tube and they could spare the tube, 298 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: but there's always risk to scar tissue in the tube 299 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 4: and that the tube is no longer going to work, 300 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: and that to me was you know, I didn't want 301 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 4: to take that risk, so I did go to medication route. 302 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 4: But then that meant again we had to postpone trying 303 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 4: for three months, so all in all it was I 304 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 4: think a full year, and we were prepping again. I 305 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 4: was planning to go in to prep for another transfer 306 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: and I got a positive pregnancy test. So that's really 307 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 4: naturally ah, yes, yes, so we didn't end up using 308 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 4: I mean the Brady my daughter is not from my egg, 309 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 4: but we have you know, beautiful eggs. Yeah, sorry sorry, Yes, 310 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 4: she was a natural conception versus everything we went through 311 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: and then it was a natural conception. 312 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, which I feel like happens a lot. Do you 313 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: think it's because like moms kind of relax at a 314 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: certain point if the IVF process is like kind of 315 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: coming along, and then they're like, yeah, we all have 316 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: that plan, and then I have this plan which is natural, 317 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: and they say it's probably not going to happen. And 318 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: then when you start to be like, Okay, it's probably 319 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: not going to happen naturally, that like you just kind 320 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: of like I think. 321 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 4: Hill, you know, it's hard to quantify how stressed, of course, 322 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 4: but I do think it plays a role because you 323 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 4: do hear of that where people go through years and 324 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 4: years of treatment and then all of a sudden, oops, 325 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: they become pregnant. I don't want anyone listening to this 326 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: to think that that's the norm, but you do hear 327 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: of that. So I do think that, you know, stress 328 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: could play a role. I mean, who knows. In my case, 329 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 4: but oh gosh, it was such a welcome surprise. But 330 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 4: then for the next nine months or you know, especially 331 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 4: early on, I was so worried about another loss because 332 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 4: we had gone through it so much. I felt like 333 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 4: I just every time I went to the bathroom, I 334 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 4: was like, is there going to be blood, you know, 335 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 4: is there? You know, it just was day after day, 336 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 4: just the anxiety. I was just riddled with anxiety. 337 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: Do you have any tips for girls out there who well, 338 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: do you need tips of just like conceiving in general, 339 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: because you know, people are like, oh, certain lubes, like 340 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: certain times of day, like everybody seems to like have 341 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: an idea for. 342 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 4: An idea or theory. I mean, obviously, you have to 343 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: be ovulating to get pregnant. I know that that sounds obvious, 344 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 4: but that would be you know, my first suggestion if 345 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 4: you've been trying to get pregnant and you're not successful, 346 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 4: is to ensure that you are ovulating. You can do 347 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 4: that with your doctor. You can get some ovulation predictor 348 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 4: kids from like the drug store. But the best way 349 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 4: to get pregnant would be to have sperm waiting for 350 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 4: the egg once you ovulate. So I think a lot 351 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 4: of people think, oh, okay, I'll ovulate and then I'll 352 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 4: have sex or you know, but really you should be 353 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 4: doing it leading up to that so that when the 354 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 4: egg is released, there's sperm waiting in the tube, and 355 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 4: the sperm can live in the tube for like three 356 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 4: to five days. 357 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 358 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 4: Now, whereas the egg is only going to live for 359 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: about twenty four hours. So that's why it's nice to 360 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 4: have that sperm waiting for the egg. 361 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: From the time that the egg is released from the 362 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: ovary to it like go passing through the Filippian tube completely, 363 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 2: that's twenty four hours. 364 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 4: No, it survives for twenty four hours, so you know, 365 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: it's it takes longer for it to go all the 366 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 4: way down the tube and into the uterus, but it's 367 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 4: only going to be viable for about twenty four hours, 368 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 4: whereas the sperm can be viable for three to five 369 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 4: days just hanging out in the tube. 370 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: So it's journey through the tube is longer than twenty 371 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: four hours. 372 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, before it makes its way all the way down 373 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 4: and then into the uterus and implant. 374 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha. Okay, so the sperm's meeting it very close 375 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 2: to the overy release, gotcha. 376 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 377 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: Well see you I'm still learning because I thought like 378 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 2: it was like kind of viable like within the two process, 379 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: but that's stupid. Wow. I probably knew this a couple 380 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: of years ago and I was deep in my reading, 381 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 2: but now I'm. 382 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 4: Like, I mean, what's going on with you? 383 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: Are you going to plan for That's that's why I 384 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: asked these questions too, And I really wanted to have 385 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 2: you on because we're starting to quote try. 386 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: In two weeks. 387 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: Two weeks, yeah, two weeks, which is like hilarious, Hi audience, 388 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: Like you know so much about me in my cycle? 389 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 2: So awkward. 390 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, so there's that, and then me being thirty. 391 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: Five now and I know very much that it is 392 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: geriatric advance pregnancy is so crazy if it were to happen, 393 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 2: like so, six months is when you start advised people 394 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 2: to start talking about IVF. 395 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 3: At this point at special. 396 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 4: It's not necessarily going street to iv but talking with 397 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 4: a specialist in reproductive medicine just to go through your 398 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 4: options and kind of do some testing to see if 399 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 4: there's something going on. 400 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: So how do you tell like women who are just 401 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 2: like nervous at a couple of months, how do you 402 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: tell them to just chill? 403 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 4: I wish there was like some magic advice that I had. 404 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 4: I mean, you know what, if you're super anxious though, 405 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 4: and for the peace of mind, if it's going to 406 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 4: help you to go talk to someone. No one's saying 407 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 4: you can't go see someone earlier than six months. You know, 408 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 4: but it's from an insurance kind of standpoint. A lot 409 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 4: of times insurance companies, which is don't even get me 410 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: started on that. I hate dealing with insurance companies. It's awful. 411 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 4: But they look at infertility as if you're older than 412 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 4: thirty five and you've been trying for six months without success, 413 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 4: then they label you infertile and that's when they'll start 414 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 4: covering sometimes a lot of treatment. Now how they really 415 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: know it's you know, but I think for your own 416 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 4: peace of mind, if you're stressed at two months in 417 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 4: go talk to your doctor, maybe you can get a referral. 418 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 4: And you know, just starting out and doing the diagnostic testing, 419 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 4: a lot of times it is covered. 420 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: So insurance companies will label you infertile. So what does 421 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: that mean that they won't cover anything? 422 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 4: So a lot of times treatment is covered once you 423 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 4: have an infertility diagnosis, but you have to that diagnosis. 424 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 4: So and it depends on the state that you live 425 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 4: in and your plan and all of that. But what 426 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 4: does an infertility diagnosis mean? So if you're over then 427 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 4: thirty five and you've been trying for six months without success, 428 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 4: that's an infertility diagnosis. If you're younger than thirty five 429 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 4: and you've been trying for one year, you get that diagnosis. 430 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: Okay, very interesting because what would you consider like stre 431 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: because people have like reached out to me and I'm like, 432 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 2: I know that we didn't struggle to conceive because it 433 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: was seven months, but like that word, I'm like, well 434 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: that's rude. 435 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: I did not What would you consider struggle at a year? 436 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 4: I mean, I think that that is individuals because for 437 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 4: some people, you know, maybe it was you know, taxing 438 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 4: on them for seven months. You know, it may not 439 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 4: be that they have that infertility diagnosis. But that's not 440 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 4: to say that it wasn't a struggle for you. So 441 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 4: I think that's that's a hard to say, hard thing 442 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 4: to say, like maybe it wasn't a struggle. Maybe you enjoyed. 443 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: Who knows, I didn't enjoy. I know it starts to 444 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: become it's a chore. It is a chore, to be honest, 445 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: And I'm not speaking on behalf of Jared as well. 446 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: It's like a little different, it is. 447 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 4: And I think that it's tough too when people are 448 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 4: like just have fun with it, like there's nothing fun 449 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 4: about this. And I think that my husband would say 450 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 4: that as well. It just is not Yeah, it's not fun. 451 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: Some people have told me to just have sex every 452 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: single day, every single and that way. I know. I 453 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: heard crazy people say that like yeah, and then right 454 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: day I've heard. 455 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 4: Jared would be like, no, I can't do that. 456 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: Kingly not and plus like then is this true that 457 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 2: your sperm quality, like the number the count is going 458 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: down if you do it every day? 459 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 4: And well, if you're doing it every day, yeah, I 460 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 4: typically say it like abstinence for three to. 461 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 2: Five days, okay? Interesting? And then I heard from I'll 462 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: just say, is a bachelor alum one time told me 463 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: do it five times each day during the ovulation window. 464 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 4: Who told you that? 465 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: I can't even I can't out them. 466 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 3: It was a man. Of course it was man. 467 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 4: Of course it was a man. 468 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: He literally said, woke up and we did it before 469 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: I went to work, and then I'd come home throughout that. 470 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: It was like the nuttiest thing I've ever heard in 471 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: my life. 472 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 4: It doesn't even make sense. I mean, the sperm doesn't 473 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 4: for three to five days, so why are you you 474 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 4: know I don't do it once in three days or 475 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 4: every other at least. I mean, I would say at 476 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 4: most every other day? 477 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 3: Okay, oh interesting at most every other day? 478 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: Yes, wow, because if the sperm count's normal, I mean, 479 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 4: if there's something went on with the sperm, then there's 480 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 4: that's a different issue. I think a lot of times 481 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 4: when ye put the blame on them when there's something 482 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: going on. But you know, oftentimes it can. 483 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: Be percent of the time here, but it's the guy. Yeah, 484 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: and when do you check sperm count about the six 485 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: month mark as well? 486 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, so what would be for male and female? Once 487 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 4: you go see the reproductive endocrinologist, it's for male and female, 488 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 4: so they do, you know, the analysis, and then they 489 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 4: also look at mormones and things like that for the woman. 490 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: Well, how have you been since having Brady? Your daughter Brady? 491 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 2: How'd you come up with the name, because that's Dawson's 492 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: middle name after you know, of course Tom Brady. 493 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 4: We've just always liked that name, and we thought about 494 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 4: it if it was a boy or a girl, we probably, like, 495 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 4: I like unisex names, so we probably just name him 496 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: or her Brady. Yeah. I thought it was unique, and 497 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 4: I liked it for a girl even more than I 498 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 4: like it for a boy. NOI fence, but I just 499 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 4: think it's like kind of you know, I like the 500 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 4: unisex names. 501 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's very cute. Yeah, Hayes is also I 502 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: guess it could be either way. It could be yeah, 503 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: it could be. 504 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 5: Yeah. 505 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 3: So how have you been like postpas? 506 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we were scheduled, you know, to come on. 507 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, when was it? A couple of weeks ago ago? 508 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 4: And I had to cancel and I'm so sorry. 509 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: I just was not It's not a big deal. So 510 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: I get it more than anyone, you know, Oh my gosh. 511 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: I was like I wouldn't get it like a lot 512 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: of other women. 513 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 4: I would not be able to even think straight. So 514 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 4: we're in the thick of it, but just you know, 515 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 4: it's kind of just part of it, right, it's right 516 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 4: a passage, and I just try to soak up every 517 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 4: little minute with her, even if she's screaming her head off. 518 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: How has she been as a baby. 519 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 4: She's really gassy and that's how I laughed. 520 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 3: But that's a bad situation. I get it, Oh my god. 521 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 4: Like I was chatting with Ricky last night and like, 522 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 4: was haz like this and we're both looked other were like, 523 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 4: I don't remember, I don't know if we just blocked 524 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 4: it from our memory. But it's almost like we're new 525 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 4: parents all over again because it was so long. You know, 526 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 4: that was four and a half years ago, so I 527 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 4: can't remember if he was, you know, as gassy and refluxy, 528 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 4: but she was just so uncomfortable baby girl. I cannot 529 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 4: figure out like how to help her. 530 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 6: I don't know it was Dawson like that at all, 531 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 6: not really, but I do remember this one moment, the 532 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 6: one moment that like I guess you'll probably always remember, 533 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 6: is the moment that he's crying and you don't. 534 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 3: Know how to fix it. 535 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: And it wasn't even that big, but like usually it 536 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 2: was like, oh, as a newborn, you need to either 537 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 2: to burp them, he needs a diaper change, or he's hungry. 538 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 2: And I remember the one time where it was like, 539 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what it's not the three of those things, 540 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: so what can we do? Yeah, there's a book called 541 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: Mama Suits that's all about getting gas out of babies. 542 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 4: Okay, I've got to get that. 543 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know the author. She send it to 544 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: me before. 545 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: But we never really needed to use it because he 546 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: never really had like trapped gas much. 547 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 4: Yes, So we've done, like the gas drops, the. 548 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: There's a Thing by three too, Yes, the exactly yeah 549 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 2: where you like, Yeah. 550 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 4: That was experience, the Wendy Yes it did. That was interesting. 551 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, the age gap with you, you probably able 552 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: to get Hayes to help you a little bit. He's 553 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: very understanding. 554 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 3: Probably, how is that? 555 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I got to be completely honest. I 556 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 4: was sad about the age gap at the beginning. I 557 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 4: really wanted my kids to be closer together an age. 558 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 4: My sister and I are about six years apart, and 559 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 4: I always felt a little bit like I was an 560 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 4: only child growing up. I was in sixth grade when 561 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 4: she went away to college. And I mean, my sister 562 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: and I are close, but I just I mean I 563 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 4: looked at you and your sister. It's almost like how cool. 564 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 4: I mean, you guys are heard. 565 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: You know, we're two and a half. 566 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 3: We're two and a half. 567 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: But that's what I want to And that's why I'll 568 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: get stressed this next time if it doesn't happen quickly, 569 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: because us starting in two weeks is me starting at 570 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: two and a half years, would you know? 571 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? And I was like that too again, going back 572 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 4: to that planning planning, planning, and then it was completely 573 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 4: out of my control. So I stressed about that, even 574 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 4: though there was nothing I could do about it. It 575 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 4: just I was really you know, I was just really 576 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 4: hoping that they would be closer in age, because in 577 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 4: my mind, like the closer in age they are, the 578 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 4: closer in relationship they'll be. But I've got to say 579 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 4: everything kind of you know, works out because it is 580 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 4: very helpful to the fact that Hayes knows what's going on. 581 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 4: He is super excited. He is such a big, you know, helper. 582 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: And I think that it would be difficult having them 583 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 4: closer in age, especially with Brady being more of a 584 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 4: fussy baby. That would be difficult to also have a 585 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 4: younger toddler for sure. 586 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: That's my biggest that's my fear. I mean, I want 587 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: them to be I want to get pregnant soon so 588 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: that they can be that two and a half ish 589 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: years apart. But I also like, I don't know, how 590 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: do you do it? I'm just mind boggled. But so 591 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: many people are, so many people will do it. Two 592 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: and a half three years seems to be like such 593 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 2: a common age gap, it is, and I see women 594 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: who I was pregnant, like alongside with the first time, 595 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: and they've already delivered a second oh yeah, And I'm like, oh, yeah, 596 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: are you doing this. I've talked to Raven Ravin and 597 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: I had a nice mom chat a couple of weeks ago. 598 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, how is she doing? 599 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: She's stressed. 600 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 4: I mean, sometimes you wonder. I mean I remember when 601 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 4: I was in labor with Hayes looking at one of 602 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 4: the nurses and being like, I cannot why do people 603 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 4: do this more than once? And the nurse was like, 604 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 4: because you forget and they're so cute, and it's so 605 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 4: right because you do block kind of that bad stuff 606 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 4: from your memory and you just thank goodness kids are 607 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 4: cute because it's difficult. 608 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 6: I know. 609 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: People tell me all the time and I tell them 610 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: I had like hyperremesis during They're like, how do you 611 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: how are you doing it again? And I go because 612 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: I got so mad at people when they would tell 613 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: me I would forget. I was like, mother efforts, I 614 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: am not going to forget this. And I kind of 615 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: have when I get nauseous every once in a while. 616 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: If you just have like a weird nauseous day, who 617 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: knows what reason, then it comes back and I'm like, 618 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if I could ever do this again. 619 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, but like older than that. 620 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 4: What were like, what did any medications help you? 621 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: Zoe Frin really helped My doctor father didn't want me 622 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: to take it until like twelve to thirteen weeks. 623 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 4: I was going to say, trimuster. 624 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, they say that you could start taking it around ten. 625 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: Every doctor has a different. 626 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 2: Opinion on one, Soffriend's okay, I will probably take it 627 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: earlier this time, especially since I'll just be like, my 628 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: life is more demanding with Dawson and I just can't 629 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: just be like, all right, well today is a total 630 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: couch day. Like I haven't had a total couch day 631 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: since Dawson was born. Really right, So so. 632 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 4: If you pad it, I don't know enough about it. 633 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: If you had three percent, you have it again? 634 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 4: Wow? 635 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: Yes. And my biggest issue was that I was actually 636 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: able to keep food down. 637 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 3: I lost a little weight the. 638 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: First trimester from throwing up so much, but food was 639 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: seventy percent may be held down because I threw up 640 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: probably like two to three times a day and that, 641 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: but like for seven months. The thing was it was 642 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: it was the length of it because I threw up 643 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: seven months. If I didn't have my zofran, I would 644 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: throw up, and then zofran makes you incredibly constivated, so 645 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: I would try not to because I was telling oh 646 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: my god, I was telling you bad a couple of 647 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: days ago, because we're talking about how on Bachelor in 648 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: Paradise to talk constipation. 649 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 4: Did you get constipated there? No? 650 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, people do. 651 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: I was fine there, Like Jade went eight days without propees. Yeah, 652 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: which there people are gonna be like, actually, Ben, why 653 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: do you talk about this so much? But yeah, she 654 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: went eight days there, But I had gone eight days 655 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 2: with doferin in preg pregnancy. 656 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 4: No I would have so there's no way. Yeah, but 657 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 4: aren't you so stuffy like. 658 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 2: Like yes, but but it wasn't. There was this one 659 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: moment on the toilet. It was really only one where 660 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: I was like, this has got to be worse than 661 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: giving birth. And to be quite honest, it was worse 662 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: than giving birth. 663 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: You know. 664 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: Well, I had an epidural like the second I got 665 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: in the delivery room, so I don't know how it 666 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: would go naturally, I mean, unmedicatedly. 667 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, so it was bad. It was very bad. 668 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: So I tried not to take the doperin as if 669 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: there was a day where I was like, ah, I'm 670 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: not feeling great, but like I think I could get 671 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 2: through the day. You know, I would try as long 672 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: as I could. But then MiraLax was all so fantastic 673 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: once I discovered that, And anyway, my problem long winded answer, 674 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 2: but my problem was drinking, so like any sort of 675 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: sip of anything would make me run to the bathroom immediately. 676 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: So I was on an iv for like sixteen weeks. 677 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 4: What so was your dad able to hook you up to? 678 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 3: My dad? 679 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? 680 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 3: So I was able to stay again. 681 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: Like another thing that really scares me about this pregnancy 682 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: with Dawson, obviously, I I'm not gonna we can't live 683 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 2: in my parents' house for sixteen weeks, like because Jared 684 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 2: is not gonna fly Like I'm not gonna my Jared's 685 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: not gonna stay there for sixteen weeks. 686 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 3: He can't because of work. 687 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so I was luckily hooked up at 688 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: home my guy I was able to provide us with 689 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: all the IVY bags. 690 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: My dad would do it from the couch, which that. 691 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 4: Is so nice. I actually saw your chat with your dad. 692 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 6: One. 693 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I. 694 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 4: My epidural I mean I got him both times, but 695 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 4: this time was so uncomfortable because I was so itchy. 696 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 4: I could not itchy. I was so itchy. You've got 697 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 4: to ask him about that, Okay, Like it was awful. 698 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 4: I just could not. I'm like, oh, it was bad. 699 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 4: But theids in it. 700 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, A lot of people get freaked out at that. 701 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 4: And so I'm like, I could never be a drug 702 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 4: addict because I would just be like constantly scratching myself. 703 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 4: This is awful. But yeah, I don't remember it the 704 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 4: first time, but this last time it was. And they 705 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 4: were able to give me a medication to help with it. 706 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 4: But I mean I was scratching like there, I was 707 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 4: like almost bleeding because I was so itchy. 708 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: Holy moly, how would that take that? That take your 709 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: your head out of the idea that there was a 710 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 2: baby coming out of you? 711 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, yeah, maybe it wasn't good distraction. 712 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 4: That's true. That is true. That's a nice way to 713 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 4: spins on it. 714 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 2: We don't have much time, but I do want to, 715 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 2: you know, revisit the fact that it's been nine years 716 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 2: since we were on this show show. 717 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 3: Yes, how do you look back on it now? 718 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: Nine years? I mean you and Chris didn't. You weren't 719 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: together long. No, No, But like do you look back 720 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: on it fondly still or some parts? 721 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, some parts I do. I mean I think there 722 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 4: is a lot of PTSD for me. I mean I'm 723 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 4: not even just throwing that out there, you know, casually 724 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 4: as a just term. But I really struggled with some 725 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 4: parts of it. But I think that I almost it 726 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 4: was a once in a lifetime opportunity and I miss, 727 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 4: you know, being with the girls and the fun times 728 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 4: and the opportunities that we got to do really cool 729 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 4: things and go cool places, some cool places. But that 730 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 4: I do miss, But other parts I don't. I don't 731 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,959 Speaker 4: think I'm made for TV. 732 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 2: So well, you did a great job when you were there. 733 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 4: Cool, thank you. 734 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 2: I just it yourself through and through. You're always calm, seeming. 735 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 4: I was not calm. 736 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 3: I always thought you seem calm. 737 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 4: Oh my god, I was not calm. 738 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: But well I wasn't there for the very end of 739 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: it though, Like I was only there for I was 740 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: there for. 741 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 4: Your first half, there for the majority. 742 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 2: No, I was there for literally one month and then 743 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 2: you were there for an entire month. Because you know 744 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 2: how that first like, yeah, I got to be like 745 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 2: six or whatever you want to call it, six seventh eight, 746 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 2: that was the week that I was eliminated. But you 747 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 2: got that whole second half of the show is so 748 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 2: much longer, Yeah, because your week's actually become weeks. 749 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 4: Right. 750 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 2: Do you do you look like, how do you look 751 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 2: back and think about that engagement moment, Like do you 752 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 2: like think it's crazy that you thought that that would 753 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 2: be like your partner for life? 754 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 4: Crazy? Yeah, but I think we're just I mean, and 755 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 4: when I was in it, it was so real, but 756 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 4: coming out of it, it was we were just in 757 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 4: such a bubble, you know, so I'm able to kind 758 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 4: of step outside of that bubble obviously being almost a 759 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 4: decade out to be like that, I was completely drinking 760 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 4: kool egg. I mean, that's I really was in my mind. 761 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 4: I really did think like this is this is it? 762 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 4: And you know, on the outside of that, I'm like, 763 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 4: how did I ever think that there was just it 764 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 4: was just not a good match. 765 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the last question is Dancing with the 766 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 2: Stars was a big like part of the ending, Like 767 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 2: you guys would have ended it either way. 768 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 4: But either way, but I think that sped it up up. 769 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 2: So advice to Charity and Dowton and any other bachelor 770 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: couples that partake in that experience. 771 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 4: I think it's hard coming straight off the show and 772 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 4: going right into that. You know, you look at Caitlin, 773 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 4: who she was had more of an established relationship going 774 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 4: into it. I think that's better than I guess for 775 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 4: me at that time, how I felt, I remember this 776 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 4: so vividly, is that I had just spent however many 777 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 4: months on a show, competing with other women to get 778 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 4: this guy's attention, and you finally get to where you 779 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 4: can be out in public. And I felt like that's 780 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 4: what I was continuing to do with Dancing with the Stars, 781 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 4: is that it was just there was so much time. 782 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 4: I felt like I was just competing to get attention 783 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 4: and it was like, this is not It was just 784 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,479 Speaker 4: it was brutal. It was bad. So I would say 785 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 4: for anyone coming off of the show, is just to 786 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 4: make sure that you make time for each other because 787 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 4: it is very time consuming. It's very demanding, as you know, 788 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 4: being on the show and the practices, and I can't 789 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 4: imagine having to be in front of a national audience 790 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 4: dancing live. I mean, that's stressing to you, it's just crazy. 791 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 4: So I get the stress that that entails me. You 792 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 4: want to practice and like be the best that you 793 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 4: can be, but just not to forget about your person. 794 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 4: All right. 795 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 2: Well Waitnie, thank you for giving us your time. It 796 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 2: is truly precious. In the situation, I'm trying. 797 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 4: To think of the last time I saw you. Was 798 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 4: it Carly's wedding? 799 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yeah, I think so. Well, uh, this 800 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: makes me miss you and I'm so grateful for you 801 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 2: coming on and just telling us all like the know, 802 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 2: the intimate details. 803 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I appreciate it and good luck to you. 804 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 3: Thank you. 805 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 2: I might I might be texting you and being like, listen, 806 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: should questions. 807 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 3: You just text me all right bye? 808 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 2: Thank you bye. 809 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 810 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.