1
00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,120
Speaker 1: Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles. Oh

2
00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,760
Speaker 1: and ahead, he got jacked. This is the big Red

3
00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:14,240
Speaker 1: Rain presented by Santanford in Gilbert. Mary's gonna score touchdown

4
00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,360
Speaker 1: Slim to the ground by Buddha Baker Like a torpedo.

5
00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:23,000
Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. The rage is brought

6
00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,800
Speaker 1: to you by satan Ford in Gilbert. Are you Santanford

7
00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,560
Speaker 1: State Farm? Talk to an agent today at eight hundred

8
00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:37,279
Speaker 1: State Farm, And by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts visit Hacy Cardinals

9
00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:46,120
Speaker 1: dot com, Slash podcasts, The Rods, Rising Guard, Temperatureizing Vision, Flurring,

10
00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,760
Speaker 1: Rage taking over. Here's Paul KELVC get the popcorn ready,

11
00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a show. And Ron Wolflee. It doesn't

12
00:00:54,240 --> 00:01:00,920
Speaker 1: get any better than that. Unleash the far all right,

13
00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,080
Speaker 1: so check it out. We are three weeks away from

14
00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,280
Speaker 1: the first NFL game twenty twenty one, the Hall of

15
00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,920
Speaker 1: Fame Game Thursday, August fifth, can Ohio Cowboys against the Steelers,

16
00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,959
Speaker 1: and of course the very next week Cardinals and Cowboys

17
00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,800
Speaker 1: in the Cardinals preseason opener August thirteenth, and then the

18
00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,360
Speaker 1: Cardinals is gonna play out Dallas in week seventeen. Yes,

19
00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,480
Speaker 1: we are here every single week on the Big Red Rage,

20
00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,600
Speaker 1: the original Thursday Night Football. We like to say, all

21
00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,759
Speaker 1: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert We are Satan Ford,

22
00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,080
Speaker 1: Paul Calveci, producer Jim Almandro. We let Wolf take a

23
00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,160
Speaker 1: little vacation time here as we hit the rewind button.

24
00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,520
Speaker 1: A best of edition of The Big Red Rage. Cardinals

25
00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,640
Speaker 1: about to commence with training camp end of the month,

26
00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,600
Speaker 1: so let there be football and position battles. Not a

27
00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,600
Speaker 1: ton of unanswered questions going into this season, but the

28
00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,120
Speaker 1: decision makers do have to figure out a starting right guard,

29
00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,760
Speaker 1: who's going to be wide receiver two three and four

30
00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,840
Speaker 1: behind the best overall wide receiver the game, perhaps in

31
00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,000
Speaker 1: de hop who's going to be cornerback two three and

32
00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,400
Speaker 1: four behind Malcolm Butler. And then the slotman Byron Murphy

33
00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,960
Speaker 1: that defense him front after JJ Watt and Chandler Jones.

34
00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,920
Speaker 1: And then you have the two inside linebackers, very talented

35
00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,519
Speaker 1: and very young and inexperience Zaven Collins Isaiah Simmons. We

36
00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,079
Speaker 1: know they have the measurables, this size and the speed

37
00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,919
Speaker 1: to play, but can they play linebacker in the NFL?

38
00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,520
Speaker 1: Can they read and react, diagnose and destroy right, and

39
00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,760
Speaker 1: if all goes to plan, Hey, these two first round

40
00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,480
Speaker 1: picks are going to be every down linebackers. So if

41
00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,200
Speaker 1: there's one key assistant coach, it's got to be inside linebackers.

42
00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,560
Speaker 1: Coach Bill Davis, a longtime decordinator in the NFL, works

43
00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,280
Speaker 1: closely with not only the linebackers, but decordinator Vance Joseph.

44
00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,600
Speaker 1: A lot of questions for Bill Davis right now, and

45
00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,440
Speaker 1: you know what, earlier this offseason, we had a chance

46
00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,680
Speaker 1: to pose those questions and we asked him for some

47
00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,560
Speaker 1: initial takeaways, and then we started with our observation that

48
00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,920
Speaker 1: Zaven collins Man, he is extra larger and sideline backers

49
00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,320
Speaker 1: six five two sixty, well, you know, it's it kind

50
00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,640
Speaker 1: of takes me back. Well if you remember the days

51
00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,560
Speaker 1: where the backers were all built like that, they were

52
00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,880
Speaker 1: all up there and because you had to take on

53
00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,679
Speaker 1: guards and there was more odd fronts and it was

54
00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,880
Speaker 1: just a different time and a different offense. It was

55
00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,000
Speaker 1: coming your way. So it kind of just takes me

56
00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,680
Speaker 1: back to early stages in my own career, you know,

57
00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,880
Speaker 1: working with guys like Lavan Kirkland and those bigger guys

58
00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,720
Speaker 1: that could run and they had to be big because

59
00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,639
Speaker 1: of you know, the downhill run game, the two back

60
00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,720
Speaker 1: run game that was coming at you. So when I

61
00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,880
Speaker 1: actually went to Tulsa to Zavan's pro day, the first

62
00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,440
Speaker 1: thing that jumped out of me was the way in

63
00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,640
Speaker 1: and the measure, and I said, oh, my goodness, this

64
00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,720
Speaker 1: is a big boy. His head's big, his hands are big,

65
00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,720
Speaker 1: his wrists are big. And I was really anxious to

66
00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,240
Speaker 1: see him, moved to see how he carried that size,

67
00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,760
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised how easily he carried the two hundred and

68
00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,640
Speaker 1: sixty sixty five pounds. And I think that that went

69
00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,480
Speaker 1: a long way in us, the evaluation of saying, oh, yeah,

70
00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,760
Speaker 1: he is big and the weight is there, but boy,

71
00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,400
Speaker 1: it just it looks right and he carries it well,

72
00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,440
Speaker 1: and that makes a big difference when when you weigh

73
00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,360
Speaker 1: that much. We're on board. Bill Davis linebackers, the coach

74
00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,040
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, a big red rage presented by satan Ford

75
00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,360
Speaker 1: and Gilbert. So simply put, Billy, what's the risk reward

76
00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,839
Speaker 1: in giving a rookie the green dot to call the

77
00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,839
Speaker 1: defense from day one? Well, no matter how smart you are,

78
00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,200
Speaker 1: no matter how football intelligent y are, a rookie year

79
00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,800
Speaker 1: is a rookie year, and there's going to be growth

80
00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,000
Speaker 1: that has to happen, and the growth comes through error

81
00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,479
Speaker 1: and stake correction. And sometimes the best lesson a young

82
00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,919
Speaker 1: guy can learn is the mistake, like Isaiah in the

83
00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,080
Speaker 1: first game against San Fran getting out of leverage in

84
00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,560
Speaker 1: the coverage of the running back out of the backfield

85
00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,040
Speaker 1: that went for eighty yards. It's a lesson that he

86
00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,720
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't blow that particular assignment. Again the whole year,

87
00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,960
Speaker 1: those things happen. You realize they're going to happen when

88
00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,440
Speaker 1: they start is rookies. It happens to all positions. I

89
00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,480
Speaker 1: don't care if you're the quarterback. I don't care if

90
00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,800
Speaker 1: you're a receiver or a dB. I don't give you

91
00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,000
Speaker 1: the first overall pick or a third round pick. You

92
00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,160
Speaker 1: play your rookie year, you're going to have to grow

93
00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,120
Speaker 1: through some mistakes. And again that happens because our game

94
00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,440
Speaker 1: is different than the college game, the amount of defensive

95
00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,520
Speaker 1: information that you have to process, and in the mic

96
00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,480
Speaker 1: linebacker position, the true art of playing the mic backer

97
00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,680
Speaker 1: is the quarterback of our defense is the ability to

98
00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,919
Speaker 1: communicate to all ten other defensive players their responsibility, meaning

99
00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,320
Speaker 1: we have to set the front and that's how people

100
00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,000
Speaker 1: get aligned. And then we have to make the secondary

101
00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,159
Speaker 1: cause of where a pressure is coming or where a

102
00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,160
Speaker 1: stunt might happen. And within that, you've got to be

103
00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,720
Speaker 1: able to align everybody up, communicate to what we're seeing

104
00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,560
Speaker 1: in the offensive structure formation, and then when they motion,

105
00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,800
Speaker 1: we have to make the appropriate adjustment to the motion.

106
00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,599
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, by the way, after that, you have

107
00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,839
Speaker 1: to do your own job at a high level. Most

108
00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,039
Speaker 1: guys can do their own job at high level. It's

109
00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,000
Speaker 1: only a few can line everybody else up and do

110
00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:12,080
Speaker 1: their job effectively. Billy, how is Isaiah Simmons processing this defense?

111
00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,440
Speaker 1: And do you envision him being helped for Zaven? Absolutely,

112
00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,760
Speaker 1: Isaiah's got a great football mind. One of the things

113
00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,840
Speaker 1: that I've never had a chance to talk about it

114
00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,039
Speaker 1: very often, but Isaiah. Last year we trained Isaiah in

115
00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,880
Speaker 1: six different defensive positions, the MIC linebacker, the MO linebacker,

116
00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,960
Speaker 1: and the SAM linebacker. Three of the linebacker spots he

117
00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,440
Speaker 1: had to learn, and in college he never really played

118
00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,080
Speaker 1: the micer, the MO, the inside spot. He was always

119
00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,320
Speaker 1: more of the edge player. Then we trained him as

120
00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,000
Speaker 1: a nickel the strong safety and the free safety and

121
00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,400
Speaker 1: without an offseason or a preseason game, so he had

122
00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,880
Speaker 1: six positions to learn. Zaven has won Zavan learning the

123
00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,800
Speaker 1: mic linebacker spot, and through all that, Isaiah as the

124
00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,520
Speaker 1: season went on and he got more and more comfortable

125
00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,760
Speaker 1: with those different positions and all the different hats we

126
00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,480
Speaker 1: had him wearing, all of a sudden, his mind slowed

127
00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,800
Speaker 1: down and that body activated, and you saw him make

128
00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,240
Speaker 1: some plays. And we're really excited about an offseason when

129
00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,680
Speaker 1: Isaiah is some preseason games and watching the growth that's

130
00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,840
Speaker 1: going to happen there because he's got a really high

131
00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,520
Speaker 1: football IQ and he's very one of the things you

132
00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,080
Speaker 1: find and the more you coach and the more you're

133
00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,560
Speaker 1: out in the game, not everyone can go out there

134
00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,960
Speaker 1: and have a relaxed mind but play fast. And Isaiah's

135
00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,280
Speaker 1: got that ability. And when he comes to the sideline

136
00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,800
Speaker 1: and he tells me it happened a certain way, Isaiah's

137
00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,720
Speaker 1: usually right. He calmly saw it, he recognized it, and

138
00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,360
Speaker 1: he could give it back to me. There's some guys

139
00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,120
Speaker 1: come sideline and say, hey, coach, the left guard pulled

140
00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,120
Speaker 1: and the tight end slashed across the back of the line.

141
00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,160
Speaker 1: Nobody didn't. And you look at the picture and say, no, Son,

142
00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,080
Speaker 1: it didn't even come close to happen. What were you

143
00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,320
Speaker 1: looking at? Well, Isaiah's the guy that when he says

144
00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,200
Speaker 1: that it is what he said it was, and that's

145
00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,200
Speaker 1: that's a good sign of him of his mind need

146
00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,160
Speaker 1: to be in calm and being able to function that

147
00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,080
Speaker 1: high level. Bill Davis Cardinals Linebackers co chair on the

148
00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,280
Speaker 1: Big Red Rage presented by Santan Forn and Gilbert a

149
00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,360
Speaker 1: year ago, Isaiah Simmons had Devandre Campbell in front of him.

150
00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,560
Speaker 1: So I don't know if this classified infom or not,

151
00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,760
Speaker 1: but is he tracking to play six different positions this year?

152
00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,480
Speaker 1: Or do you see him sticking at that inside backer spot. Well,

153
00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,560
Speaker 1: the home base will now be the inside backer Moe

154
00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,520
Speaker 1: Dime spot, but we will still because he's a Swiss

155
00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,240
Speaker 1: Army knife that it is very, very frustrating for an

156
00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,640
Speaker 1: offense to see Isai out there and not be able

157
00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,920
Speaker 1: to identify his position? Is he the other safety? Is

158
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,920
Speaker 1: he the sam backer? Is he the mic? Is the am?

159
00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,280
Speaker 1: And really those identifications to an offense has a lot

160
00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,560
Speaker 1: to do with their protections, has a lot to do

161
00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,120
Speaker 1: with how they're blocking scheme will online. So we find

162
00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,679
Speaker 1: we get a pretty good advantage by moving him around

163
00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,280
Speaker 1: a little bit as long as he can handle it.

164
00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,800
Speaker 1: And he's proven, especially at the end of the last season,

165
00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,120
Speaker 1: that he absolutely can handle multiple positions. But the home

166
00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,640
Speaker 1: base will be the inside mow or dime linebacker. Billy,

167
00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,600
Speaker 1: Is this the most talented linebacking corps you've ever coached? Well,

168
00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,880
Speaker 1: it's see August, and time will tell if it's the

169
00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,959
Speaker 1: most talented. If you if you talk about raw potential, yeah,

170
00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,319
Speaker 1: but now as you know, well, they got to prove

171
00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,400
Speaker 1: it in the NFL and they got to do it

172
00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,440
Speaker 1: over time. That the true sign of greatness to me

173
00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,520
Speaker 1: is playing at a real high consistency of doing your

174
00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,360
Speaker 1: job and making a play when it presents itself to you.

175
00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,800
Speaker 1: And that's what Zavan and isaiahs all the time. I'm

176
00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,080
Speaker 1: not looking for you guys to make the wild play

177
00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,320
Speaker 1: I needed. We have seventy five snaps that seventy of

178
00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,800
Speaker 1: them are exactly the way they're supposed to be, and

179
00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,320
Speaker 1: we may have You know, I've never coached a perfect game,

180
00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,600
Speaker 1: So there's always a couple in there that you know

181
00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,640
Speaker 1: they did something you hadn't seen or we did it

182
00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,760
Speaker 1: wrong a little bit, but they are very high football

183
00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:02,160
Speaker 1: like you, locked in instinctive inside backers, and I can't

184
00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,080
Speaker 1: wait to see how far we could grow into and

185
00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,600
Speaker 1: watched him in the next couple of years. Look, history

186
00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,680
Speaker 1: says you're going the preseason, you'll see mainly vanilla offenses

187
00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,320
Speaker 1: and schemes. Do you ask Cliff Kingsbury to dial it

188
00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,840
Speaker 1: up and get exotic and training camp to try and

189
00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,719
Speaker 1: test those guys in their football IQ. Well, just by

190
00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,000
Speaker 1: the nature of our offensive with him just running his stuff,

191
00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,760
Speaker 1: he tests us because he's got the four wide receiver sets,

192
00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,960
Speaker 1: the three wide, the twelve, the two tight end packages,

193
00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,840
Speaker 1: and then you have Kyler back there doing the quarterback

194
00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,640
Speaker 1: run game, and so all of just facing offense, he

195
00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have to dial anything, Huppy, he doesn't just by

196
00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,439
Speaker 1: calling his installs, and we've got to meet the challenge

197
00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,880
Speaker 1: of trying to stop our own offense. Billy, where do

198
00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,720
Speaker 1: you think this defense will improve the most from last season?

199
00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean just a gut feeling, a speculation on your part, yes,

200
00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,920
Speaker 1: but a gut feeling. Where do you think it's going

201
00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,360
Speaker 1: to improve the most. Well, we really felt good about

202
00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,040
Speaker 1: the improvements we've made. Last year, we really jumped up

203
00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,679
Speaker 1: in the rankings. And even know we say it all

204
00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,680
Speaker 1: the time, it's a scoreboard in the end zone. So

205
00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,760
Speaker 1: points allowed per game are what we really have to

206
00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,760
Speaker 1: focus on. Our sacks were high. Our turnovers, I think

207
00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,600
Speaker 1: are going to increase. One of the things you get

208
00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,840
Speaker 1: when you get to two six four inside backers and

209
00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,040
Speaker 1: who can move and run. Now, as a quarterback, when

210
00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,400
Speaker 1: you try to hide the lowest and you've got a

211
00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:29,040
Speaker 1: short little stop route in an end behind it, trying

212
00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,840
Speaker 1: to throw over those two inside, you're going to elevate

213
00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,719
Speaker 1: your pass a little bit to safeties are going to

214
00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,160
Speaker 1: get more balls, I believe. I think there'll be more

215
00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,240
Speaker 1: tips and overthrows, and tips and overthrows in the NFL

216
00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,120
Speaker 1: turn into interceptions. So if I had to pick one

217
00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,079
Speaker 1: area that we're probably gonna make something. And then you

218
00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,160
Speaker 1: have JJ and nerws baton balls left and right and

219
00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,200
Speaker 1: he's erects havoc in there, and along with Chandler coming

220
00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,960
Speaker 1: off the edge, I just think the quarterbacks are going

221
00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,360
Speaker 1: to be under more drests and they're gonna have to

222
00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,040
Speaker 1: adjust how they throw, which we get tips and overthrows,

223
00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,560
Speaker 1: and I think our turnovers and interceptions should go up

224
00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,160
Speaker 1: there and hopefully the points allowed come down. It was

225
00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,120
Speaker 1: hard not to notice JJ Watt just his energy right

226
00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,760
Speaker 1: even ran scout team tight End for you guys a

227
00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,600
Speaker 1: little bit. And we know how Steve Kim has spoken

228
00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,280
Speaker 1: to the leadership aspect of bringing him into the locker room.

229
00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,199
Speaker 1: Do you believe in that because a lot of analytics

230
00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,760
Speaker 1: guys say, ah, they dismissed the locker room and the leadership.

231
00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,760
Speaker 1: What do you say about that? I think it's crazy.

232
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,280
Speaker 1: I think leadership as a monetary value, just like a

233
00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,000
Speaker 1: forty yard dash does. And I think the chemistry on

234
00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,640
Speaker 1: your team is makes all the difference in the world

235
00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,200
Speaker 1: before between going deep into a playoffs or not making

236
00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,560
Speaker 1: the playoffs. There's got to be a chemistry, a love, respect,

237
00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,319
Speaker 1: of mutual respect of each other. And you need leaders

238
00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,400
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. Somebody asked me followers.

239
00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,920
Speaker 1: So you don't need all leaders. You don't need a

240
00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,000
Speaker 1: bunch of alphas that are going to lead. You need

241
00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,280
Speaker 1: one or two really good ones. And they're really good

242
00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,280
Speaker 1: leaders are the ones that will exactly what you just described.

243
00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,000
Speaker 1: I'll jump over and wear a green hat and be

244
00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,439
Speaker 1: a tight end, and I'm a superstar because I want

245
00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,920
Speaker 1: the team. I put the team first. And when he

246
00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,520
Speaker 1: does it, now it's so much easier for a young

247
00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,160
Speaker 1: kid that's trying to make his way to say, hey,

248
00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm not embarrassed by wearing this, and absolutely I'm making

249
00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,760
Speaker 1: us better. And that leadership is naturally you can't fake it.

250
00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,640
Speaker 1: Either have it or you don't. And JJ definitely has

251
00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,240
Speaker 1: it and it is a huge edition and it really

252
00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,040
Speaker 1: makes us better from a lot of other areas that

253
00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,400
Speaker 1: aren't the you know, the forty yard dash and all

254
00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,800
Speaker 1: the other things. It's absolutely valued. Yeah, that leadership for

255
00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,240
Speaker 1: the coaches like Bill Davis right there, very valuable indeed.

256
00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,360
Speaker 1: And remember Steve Kim told the media that in this

257
00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,040
Speaker 1: year's draft class, you could count the number of players

258
00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,320
Speaker 1: who got the Alpha tag on their grade card. You

259
00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,640
Speaker 1: could count him on one hand. And Zavin Collins was

260
00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,040
Speaker 1: one of those draft prospects. And the good news is,

261
00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,280
Speaker 1: i'mlike last season, he's gonna have three preseason games to

262
00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,800
Speaker 1: make that adjustment to the NFL game. So we'll see

263
00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,200
Speaker 1: if Zavian Cohns and Isaiah Simmons get a chance to

264
00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,040
Speaker 1: tackle Zeke Elliott and that preseason opener against Alice or

265
00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,800
Speaker 1: maybe a few reps against Alvin Kamara when the Cardinals

266
00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,800
Speaker 1: go to New Orleans to wrap up the preseason. We'll

267
00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,160
Speaker 1: see about that. And then it gets extremely real and

268
00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,040
Speaker 1: the opener at Nashville when you get big Derrek Henry

269
00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,000
Speaker 1: right not to mention Julio Jones, A J. Brown, Ryan Tannehill.

270
00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,400
Speaker 1: With that in mind, we'll come back and we'll talk

271
00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,480
Speaker 1: cornerbacks as we continue with this best of edition of

272
00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,520
Speaker 1: The Big Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford. In Gilbert

273
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,720
Speaker 1: foot Paul is hit the Patriot one. The quarterback Wilfiti

274
00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,480
Speaker 1: is in the shotgun formation. Lynch will flank him two

275
00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,000
Speaker 1: if left, two Wine to the bearside, one to the far.

276
00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,560
Speaker 1: In the shata, there's the snappets felt high prick throw.

277
00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,720
Speaker 1: It's intercepted into goal line. It's intercepted by Molcolm Butler.

278
00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,040
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler is intercepted Russell listen, not the goal line.

279
00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,920
Speaker 1: Twenty seconds left. Butler does an unbelievable job getting it inside.

280
00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that Russell Wilson through it here. Butler read

281
00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,680
Speaker 1: the play perfectly, one behind the pick and ran right

282
00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,680
Speaker 1: to where the slant was going to be throne, and

283
00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,080
Speaker 1: of course that sealed the Super Bowl win for the

284
00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:22,240
Speaker 1: Patriots against the Seahawks at State Farm Stadium. Now Malcolm

285
00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,960
Speaker 1: Butler will play his home games there. It is the

286
00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,280
Speaker 1: best of addition to the Big Red Rage Paul Kelvci,

287
00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,840
Speaker 1: our producer, Jim Almahandro all presented by santan Ford and

288
00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,200
Speaker 1: Gilbert And as we near Cardinals training camp, there's always

289
00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,480
Speaker 1: the known and the unknown. And if you want to

290
00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,000
Speaker 1: talk about that cornerback room, you have Malcolm Butler, you

291
00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,200
Speaker 1: have Byron Murphy and some question marks. And in the

292
00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,040
Speaker 1: league where you need three corners, should we say four

293
00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,720
Speaker 1: corners on game day? Although we have a couple of

294
00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,600
Speaker 1: safeties are a pretty dynamic and Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson,

295
00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,120
Speaker 1: I get it. But and yes, even Isaiah Simmons can

296
00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,720
Speaker 1: cover in the slot. But you have a lot of

297
00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,880
Speaker 1: question marks right now when it comes to the other

298
00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,720
Speaker 1: veterans in that room, whether it's experience, in age, or

299
00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,560
Speaker 1: perhaps injury. So we had cornerbacks coach Greg Williams on

300
00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,680
Speaker 1: and we asked him to name some names when it

301
00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,320
Speaker 1: comes to some of those key veterans. I really like

302
00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,200
Speaker 1: how how how we put it together. Just from a standpoint,

303
00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,760
Speaker 1: Murphy's coming into his own right now. You know, we

304
00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,800
Speaker 1: expect big things from him this year. But like you

305
00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,960
Speaker 1: guys saw Robert Alford from a training camp standpoint over

306
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,480
Speaker 1: the last two years. Unfortunately the fan base hasn't had

307
00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,840
Speaker 1: a chance to see it in games. But uh, we

308
00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,000
Speaker 1: were expecting big things from him each the last two

309
00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,520
Speaker 1: years just from his performance and what he brings from

310
00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,240
Speaker 1: a tenacity level, um you know, to to our team

311
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,560
Speaker 1: into our secondary. I mean, this guy is energy and

312
00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,000
Speaker 1: a bottle, you know what I mean? If you if

313
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:54,120
Speaker 1: you're ever around him, he is always on coach absolutely absolute, absolutely,

314
00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,480
Speaker 1: he's he's he's a dog in the epitomey other word,

315
00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,200
Speaker 1: that's that's, that's what he is because he still plays

316
00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,720
Speaker 1: with that. He'll tell you plays with a chip on

317
00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,480
Speaker 1: his shoulder. I'm a small school guy. Regardless of where

318
00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,879
Speaker 1: he was drafted. He still plays with kind of that

319
00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,240
Speaker 1: small school chip on his shoulder and that's what made

320
00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,520
Speaker 1: him as successful as he's been. Do you remember this

321
00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,359
Speaker 1: guy's played in the Super Bowl and played pretty well.

322
00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,720
Speaker 1: And it's one of the big questions for you on

323
00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,840
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler is to try and figure out. Okay, at

324
00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,480
Speaker 1: age thirty one, can he really check in shadow and

325
00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,639
Speaker 1: travel a guy, a premier number one receiver and handle

326
00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,280
Speaker 1: that all by himself. Is that something he's known for doing,

327
00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,240
Speaker 1: or you're gonna have to change the scheme accordingly. I

328
00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,239
Speaker 1: think he's being in the two places that he's been

329
00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,879
Speaker 1: in New England and Tennessee, he's had a chance to

330
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,719
Speaker 1: be in multiple schemes. Uh So I think he can

331
00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,280
Speaker 1: adapt to whatever we want him to do and whatever

332
00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,040
Speaker 1: will help the team win. Obviously, you guys have seen

333
00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,760
Speaker 1: vans as defenses. They're they're multiple and he'll do uh well,

334
00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,960
Speaker 1: we'll do what it takes, uh game permitting, you know,

335
00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,240
Speaker 1: game plan permitting, and so if he has to do

336
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,840
Speaker 1: what he can. But he's he's a guy another guy

337
00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,320
Speaker 1: that for the time that I've known him, he's willing

338
00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,160
Speaker 1: to do anything that you ask him to do, whether

339
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,600
Speaker 1: it's to stay rice they left, or travel, He's done

340
00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,840
Speaker 1: it all and he's more than willing to do that

341
00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,320
Speaker 1: in this game as well. All Right. That's Cornerbacks coach

342
00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,920
Speaker 1: Greg Williams on the big red rage this offseason. A look,

343
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,679
Speaker 1: it's going to be different for the first time in

344
00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,880
Speaker 1: a decade. No, Patrick Peterson, although your lead corner will

345
00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,040
Speaker 1: be wearing the number twenty one, It'll just be Malcolm Butler.

346
00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,160
Speaker 1: And so we interviewed Frank Sanders, longtime Cardinals receiver, guy

347
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,560
Speaker 1: who made a living going against cornerbacks, and we talked

348
00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,000
Speaker 1: about that. And you know what, Frank Sanders is a

349
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,520
Speaker 1: guy who talks to Patrick Peterson. They actually played golf

350
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,520
Speaker 1: together in the off season, and we asked Frank Sanders

351
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,280
Speaker 1: for his thoughts. Henry placing Patrick Peterson with Malcolm Butler.

352
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,399
Speaker 1: You know, I think that you know that Patfee had

353
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,800
Speaker 1: a lot on his shoulders. I mean he earned it.

354
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,240
Speaker 1: He earned it when the first couple of years that

355
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,959
Speaker 1: he was here, he was absolutely list across the board,

356
00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,399
Speaker 1: and then a couple of things happen. I don't know what,

357
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, his relationship or his play on the field

358
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,760
Speaker 1: wasn't as a spectacle as it needed to be. I

359
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,159
Speaker 1: talked to Pat p probably I played golf with him,

360
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,040
Speaker 1: probably about two weeks ago. Of course, there was a

361
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,560
Speaker 1: change that needed to happen, whether it was with the

362
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 1: organization or him, but it was a change that need

363
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,440
Speaker 1: to happen. So and that's a good thing. Sometimes sometimes

364
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,359
Speaker 1: you get into places and you know you need those changes.

365
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 1: We're placing them with Malcolm Butler. Experience sometimes makes a

366
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 1: big difference. Malcolm Butler's a you know, world champ, his

367
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champ. He's learned a lot how to play

368
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 1: the game, how to get ready for Sunday competition, and

369
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 1: sometimes having that experience in that position, you're just removing

370
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,439
Speaker 1: a name, but your brain experience. Frank Sander's former Cardinals receiver.

371
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,400
Speaker 1: And we continued our conversation here on the Big Red

372
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 1: Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert talking about the

373
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 1: cornerback room. And it's not just veterans. The Cardinals have

374
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,680
Speaker 1: flooded that position. A couple of draft picks they have

375
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: allocated and Marco Wilson round four, Tay Gowan round six,

376
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 1: and the two guys who have all the measurables. They're

377
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 1: taller than six foot, they can run, they can both

378
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 1: play press man corner. But Frank Sanders saying, you know what,

379
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 1: it goes beyond the physical and to the mental. A

380
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 1: cornerback in the draft is a hit of miss situation

381
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 1: because he has to come in and he you know,

382
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 1: he can get exposed really fast. And number one thing

383
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL that they come to try to take

384
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: is your confidence that's in practice, and they can still

385
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 1: your confidence in practice. We know one you're gonna stink

386
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 1: it up in the game. So you got to have

387
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,919
Speaker 1: a core cornerback that is confident whether he is getting

388
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 1: beat or not. But he's confident enough to learn the

389
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,920
Speaker 1: game where he can come out and he can overcome

390
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 1: some of his failures, but he has the athletic ability

391
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 1: and the mentality to want to get better. You can

392
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 1: get on a football field and just get gutted up

393
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: the entire day, and once they still your confidence, you

394
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 1: know you're gonna need the psych character to get that back.

395
00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: All right. It was great to catch up with Frank,

396
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 1: says former Cardinals receiver, some great insight. I'm going against

397
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: those cornerbacks and what it takes to be an effective

398
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: corner in the NFL. And that also includes being able

399
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: to make the tackle, and that is something the Cardinals

400
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: cornerback room will excel and think about it. Malcolm Butler

401
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 1: more than one hundred tackles last year. Robert Alfred, he'll

402
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: come up and run support Byron Murphy doesn't hesitate to

403
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 1: hit you and the word on Marco Wilson. He's very

404
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: physical as well, and you know what, that's all going

405
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: to be key, especially those first two weeks against two

406
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: very effective run games, and if the Cardinals want to

407
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: match the run game and the Titans and the Vikings,

408
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: they feel like they've bolstered both ends, the running back

409
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: room and the offensive line. And we'll talk about that

410
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: next during this best of edition of The Big Red

411
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. It's a run

412
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: play right side the big whole Edmonds twenty five ten

413
00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: five touchdown, the inside zone being run and Chase Let's

414
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: found the hole into the house baby gives it to Connor,

415
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: sweeps the left side, gotta block at the tan Connor

416
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: to the five pattern into the touchdown. James Connor explosively,

417
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: just the weapons that we have, Chase doing this thing already,

418
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: and so you know, watching film, I'm like, man, just dude,

419
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: he can he can ball, and I want to, you know,

420
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 1: learn from him and be a part of it, get

421
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 1: to work with him. Ain't no telling. I can't predict nothing,

422
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,479
Speaker 1: but I know what I can guarantee. I'm gonna come

423
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: in here and work day in and day out, from

424
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: my head down to grind. And you know I'm in

425
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: it for the long cost. So seventeen game season, I'm

426
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: looking forward to it, all right. New Cardinals running back

427
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: James Connor on that one two potential punch of Connor

428
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: and Chase Edmonds. It is the best of edition of

429
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage presented by Santanford and Gilbert on

430
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: Paul Calvic, welcome back in and look we know other

431
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season ended right from that six and three

432
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: start to the two and five finish, and he finished

433
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: on the outside of the playoff picture looking in okay,

434
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: but how why? Well? One area that changed dramatically would

435
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: be the Cardinals running game or rushing offense. That over

436
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: the first nine games and that six and three start

437
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: average nearly one hundred and seventy yards rushing per game.

438
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 1: Over the final seven games it was under one hundred

439
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: ten yards rushing per game. And over the last four

440
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: games the Cardinals the lead running back, Kenyon Drake, he

441
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: averaged less than three yards of carry. So you knew

442
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: there will be change. Kenyan Drake is in Vegas. Chase

443
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: Edmonds as a chance to compete to be the lead

444
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: back newcomer James Conner from the Steelers plus the Cardinals

445
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: elevated old line coach Sean Coogler named him run game

446
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: coordinator and he's gonna work with the running backs coach

447
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: James Saxon, who was our guest this offseason here on

448
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage, and we started our conversation asking

449
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: the running backs coach, well, how'd your backs look in

450
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: mini camp? I think these guys came in shape, and

451
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's really early now. I think

452
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: we feel like we got a good group. We got

453
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: guys who are capable of doing things we're gonna ask

454
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: you to do. So I'm just looking forward to getting

455
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: this whole thing started. Kyler was talking about what the

456
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: run game could or should look like. I mean, you

457
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: go out in the off season as Steve Kime ads

458
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: James Connor and Rodney Hudson and Brian Winters, and I

459
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: look at that and I really, you know what the

460
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: offensive line and then call the pound game. I'm thinking, Okay,

461
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: here we go more of a straight ahead, power running game.

462
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: What should we expect this year? Well, you know, we're

463
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: going to continue to do the things where we're real

464
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: good at and you know, we're getting better a lot

465
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: of different positions. And you know, Steve and those guys

466
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 1: have done a great job of acquired guys for us,

467
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: and we just got to put them in right position

468
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: to go out and be able to, you know, do

469
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: what the capable of doing. Um. You know, it's gonna

470
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: be fun. I think it's gonna be fun to watch,

471
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, as a coach stenator and helping these guys

472
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: get to places they want to go. So it's gonna

473
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: be a fun fun thing to watch. James, what do

474
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: you look for in a running back specifically? Well, Um, toughness,

475
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: You're toughness you get they're not. I don't know if

476
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: Eddie Good and running back in the NFL that I've

477
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: ever been around that wasn't probably the toughest guy on

478
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: the team or add toughness that you could clearly see. Um,

479
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: And I think that we have several guys like that

480
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: in our room, including you know, obviously Chasing James. I mean,

481
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: we got young guys like Jonathan Warden, Nial Benjamin who

482
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: these guys are hungry, Tabian pieces and California Muhammad. We

483
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: got a good group of guys that I'm really looking

484
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: forward to working with Cardinals running backs coach James Saxon

485
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: our guest here on the Big Red Rage. I see

486
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: two running backs who are both in contract years and

487
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: a James Connor and to Chase Edmonds. Do you like that?

488
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: Do you like that two guys pushing each other and

489
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: improve it years in their career? You know that? You know.

490
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: I've yet to be on a team that's won the

491
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but I've been in the championship game a

492
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: couple of times, and the only thing I know is

493
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: that in this game, you gotta play, man. If you

494
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: want to be a great team, you want to be

495
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: a great player, man, you gotta you gotta be able

496
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: to compete at the same level or even better than

497
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: the best players in sport. So that's to me, that's

498
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: that's it. I mean, that's part of it. I mean,

499
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: that's that's where everybody who wants to win in this

500
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: game has to go. And you got to beat the

501
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: best that you want to be the best. James, talk

502
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: to me about Chase Udmunds and his skill set and

503
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: the type of football player is. I absolutely love his mentality.

504
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about Chase Edmunds. Well, um, probably

505
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 1: one of the smartest guys I've ever been around. Question. Um,

506
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: the guys not only a phenomenal above the next person

507
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: and just a personable human. UM. Just love being around him,

508
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: talking to him. He's an excellent athlete and the guy's

509
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: got it's self confidence. It's just that just looses out

510
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: of him. Everybody around the building just kind of gravitates

511
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: towards him. And uh, it's good for our team. And

512
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: I think that you know, these guys are grown together

513
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: and as you know, when you got guys like Chase

514
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: and you add a guy like James, and uh, it

515
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: just it just it's great for you. You set me

516
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: up right there on that note, same question, James Conner,

517
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: talk to me about this dude. You know, this guy

518
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: is a pro. Um. It's been fun. You know, it

519
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: was fun to be around him from the first two

520
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: years in the league, and then you know it was

521
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: fun watching him from afar and you know, just to

522
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: get a chance to be a back around that guy. Um,

523
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: the guy means you know, there's no words I can

524
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: use to describe, you know, how I see it about

525
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: that kid. Um, other than you know, I'm extremely excited.

526
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: We're extremely excited that he chose to come here and

527
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: be with us, and it's gonna be a good thing.

528
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: And again, it's gonna be fun to watch. Can he

529
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: catch the ballield to catch the ball? Yeah? I mean,

530
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: but I don't think you want to ask an elephant to,

531
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: you know, ride in the sailboat this guy. Yeah, but

532
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: now he's uh, We're gonna put that guy in the

533
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: best position to help us, and he more than will

534
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: him to do that. He's gonna be prepared. I was

535
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: talking to my older brother Craig about James Connor, and

536
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: I know you know Craig as well, and he was

537
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: so sad to actually see him leave right there. He

538
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: was telling me that Mike Tomlin absolutely was heartbroken that

539
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: they couldn't get something done, heartbroken that James Connor was

540
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: actually walking out of that organization. Mike Tomlin, I guess,

541
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: called him as Belle Cole, a running back that was

542
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: a three down back. Do you see him as a

543
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: three down back? You know, the guy's capable of doing

544
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: whatever you ask him to do in this league. You know,

545
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: the longer you stay in this league, you have to

546
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: evolve and become smarter. And that's the bottom line for

547
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: any guy that survives in this league for a long time,

548
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: and I say, so rive. We're talking about thrive and

549
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: be a factor on football teams because nobody stays its older.

550
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: You get in this league and not be productive. I mean,

551
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: the teams move on from guys like that. But when

552
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: you got guys, we're gonna continue to produce something you want.

553
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: You want those guys and I get it. Most they're

554
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: talking the off season has been about the one two

555
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: punch of Chase Edmonds and James Connor. But the question

556
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: that Chase gets the most is can he be in

557
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: every down running back? What do you say to that?

558
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: M I tell those guys all Thomas said, you know,

559
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: nobody goes at all same is it's not available. And

560
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: the number one thing in order to be productive and

561
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: important part of the team, you gotta be available and

562
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: you gotta produce. And you know, we feel like this

563
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be capable doing those things. He's ready. So

564
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: what is the best asset? I know that I'm fascinated

565
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: with James Connor, but anybody who's two hundred and thirty pounds,

566
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, you know what I'm gonna do.

567
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: This is just me now, James, I'm gonna light him

568
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: up in the queue. I'm gonna put him behind the

569
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: queue and I'm going to attack the box and I'm

570
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: down and kill way at two hundred and thirty two pounds.

571
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: Am I dead wrong? Or what? Now? You? This game

572
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: is a game playing in the league. It's a game

573
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: of mini battles, and you play within this game and

574
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: what you're doing offensively or defensively, what a position to play.

575
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: He's exactly what he's advertised to be. He's a downhill runner.

576
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: This nobs. He's crazy. I looked up a little bit

577
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: of his history and James Connor was a star running

578
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: back in high school obviously, and a star defensive lineman.

579
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: Think about that combination. And then he comes in as

580
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: a true freshman at Pitt and he broke Tony Dorset's

581
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: record for rushing in a bowl game. I mean, so,

582
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: here's a guy with size and speed able to move.

583
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: You have that element, the one two punch. And then

584
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: what was interesting in the offseason, coach, is that Sean

585
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: Coogler was promoted to run game coordinator. Obviously, you're a

586
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: big part of that. And then Cliff Kingsbury, obviously, how's

587
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: that going to go this year. The game planning, in

588
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: formulating the run game from week to week, how's that

589
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: going to go? Well? I think coach does a great

590
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: job of, you know, putting the plan together and you know,

591
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: and allowing coaches to work. And you know, Coogs is

592
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: a great human being. It's gonna be easy to work

593
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: with him. You know, I hadn't worked with a guy,

594
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: you know like who's He's about as good as you

595
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: ever want to get. He makes coming to work fun,

596
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: you know. Coach Kingsberry has done that with everybody and staff.

597
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: We got a great group of group of coaches, and

598
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: everybody enjoys being around each other and that makes it

599
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: easy working. So we're looking forward to getting this thing

600
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: started right. James Sackson there, the running backs coach, and

601
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: you heard him mentioned Sean Coogler, the old line coach,

602
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: run game coordinator. Well, he has a new quarterback of

603
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: his offensive line. That would be center Rodney Hudson, who

604
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: came over in the trade from the Raiders. You're talking

605
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: about a former second team All Pro, a guy who

606
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 1: has all the experience and a guy who doesn't get

607
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: penalized either. He leads by example both on the field

608
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: and off. And that was part of our conversation with

609
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: a former teammate of his and a former Cardinal, Frosty

610
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: Rutger or the Cardinals former d lyman. And here he

611
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: was on Rodney Hudson. Yeah, he's a great player, very smart,

612
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: m durable, you know, give up a lot of plays

613
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna be a great addition too.

614
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: He got the very best in the league. Ronnie practices

615
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: every day. I don't want to jinx him with that

616
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't want to. I don't want

617
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: to say that, sorry, Rod. But when I was there

618
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: in my tenure with the Raiders, he practiced every day.

619
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: I did get to go against him because myself I

620
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: was also I was a starter, but I was working

621
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: on scout team. You know how I get down when

622
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: I play football, it's whatever it takes. So I was

623
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: helping them, lending a hand on scout team. So you know,

624
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: obviously from playing verse him in games, live games, to

625
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, watching him work as crafted and you know,

626
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: go and get them in pass restrials and whatnot. He's

627
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: the real deal. And again he's the perfect fit to

628
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: go on this offense. That can you know, essentially cover

629
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: his passing lanes. It's right in front of him. I

630
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: think that Rodney Hudson is going to have a mentorship role,

631
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: if you will, with Kyler Murray as well, and help

632
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: him in his career, help him develop as a leader.

633
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm really jacked up about it because I hear great

634
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: things about Rodney Hudson in terms of not only knowing

635
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: the game, but also being willing to help others. Yeah.

636
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he's seen at all. He's proven to be

637
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: the best center in the game, and he can only

638
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: drop knowledge. You know, he's not a very talkative guy.

639
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: He's not, you know, an overly allowed person, but you know,

640
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: he commands a respect and that's what it is. He's,

641
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, a solf spoken giant on the football field.

642
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: And who doesn't benefit from extra leadership around you, who

643
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: doesn't benefit from extra you know, Pro Bowl experience around you.

644
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: I mean it should be a match made in heaven.

645
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: That's Frosty Rutger, the former Cardinals d Linman, a former

646
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: teammate a Rodney Hudson talking about that combination of center

647
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: and quarterback. And then you add a James Connor who's

648
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: listed at six one two thirty three, and it makes

649
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: you wonder as Kyler going to be under center more right,

650
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: allowing Connor to get that head as steam going before

651
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: taking the handoff and running downhill. We'll see, remember the

652
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: last time James Connor had that Pro Bowl season? Who

653
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: was three years ago, twenty eighteen, a stellar season, nearly

654
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred all purpose yards, five point four yards per touch.

655
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: And he's running backs coach at the time was James Saxon,

656
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: his current running backs coach with the Cardinals. So what

657
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: does this all mean for the quarterback? Because it always

658
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: comes back to the quarterback. And we'll talk Kyler next.

659
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: A best of edition of The Big Red Rage presented

660
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: by Santan Ford in Gilbert muryan shotgun has the football

661
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: short set, throws a deep ball left side, single coverage

662
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: and it is pulled in by DeAndre Hopkins and he's

663
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: got a touchdown. Just want to throw by Tyler Murray.

664
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: You want to catch find Duke to put the Cardinals

665
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: on the board with two thirty nine to go on

666
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: the first truth was one on one great throw by

667
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, but an even better read touchdown. We said

668
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Russell Wilson or Kyler Murray. Whoever plays better,

669
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: that's who's gonna win this game. Snapped a Murray and

670
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: he keeps it himself. Running left, got a defender with

671
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: him at the five breaks, a tackle, dives, ball comes out,

672
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: but he crossed the plane. Touchdown Kyler Murray. Somehow subway

673
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: found a way to get that big across Peter. Big

674
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: time play Kyler Murray in a big time game for

675
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. That was Week seven against Seattle. That was

676
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: the overtime win at home thirty seven thirty four where

677
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray went thirty four or forty eight passing for

678
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty yards, three touchdowns, a passer rating

679
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: of one h four point five. He also ran the

680
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: ball fourteen times for sixty seven yards and oh yeah,

681
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: he was your NFC Offensive Player of the Week. This

682
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: is a best of edition of The Big Red Rage,

683
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Paul Calves and Kyler Murray.

684
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: No wonder. Steve Kin the GM said recently, and I quote,

685
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: I would say my confidence at the position and in

686
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: general is at a real high. You're talking about Kyler Murray.

687
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen Rookie of the Year two twenty Pro Bowl

688
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: quarterback along with Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. The question

689
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: is what is he tracking four here in two twenty one.

690
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: And as the Cardinals missed the playoffs last year, something

691
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: interesting happened in the postseason that the Cardinals hope might

692
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: prove to be foreshadowing. Third year quarterbacks got their first

693
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: playoff victories. Josh Allen with the Bills, Baker Mayfield with

694
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: the Browns, and Lamar Jackson with the Ravens. So what

695
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: does that mean for Kyler Murray in year three? And

696
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: by the way, Kyler recently he said, and we quote

697
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: that emotionally, last year was definitely frustrating, especially for a

698
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: guy like me. Kyler said, I want to win. Not

699
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: going to the playoffs is weird for me. Think of

700
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: all his success at the high school on college levels. Right,

701
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: the question is how and whether his legs are going

702
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: to be an absolute integral part of the game plan

703
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: or what Kyler likes to call a luxury because before

704
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: he went down at Seattle with that shoulder injury, his

705
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: run game was lethal. In fact, in the offseason, next

706
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: Gen Stats rated him the most explosive ball carrier of

707
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: the two twenty season. All right, so how and where

708
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: does Kyler get better? How did the Cardinals get better?

709
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: Especially on offense. We had former Cardinals linebackers Sam Acho

710
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: recently on The Big Red Rage and Sam with his

711
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: high football IQ. Our question was what excited you most

712
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: about the Cardinals in two twenty. It was exciting seeing

713
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: the ability of Kyler Murray. Right, He's unbelievably talented. But

714
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: then you've got to you have to go through that

715
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: matturation process that we saw. If you remember what Russell

716
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: Wilson went through from his year one to hears your

717
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: two in twenty twelve, Russell Wilson's first year, he was

718
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 1: solid quarterback, right, wasn't doing outstanding, was trying to figure

719
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: out how to read defense as well. Fourteen fifteen he

720
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: became this expert at reading defense. And I think that's

721
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: where Kyler Murray needs to grow now. Obviously, being at

722
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: allan in high school in Texas right where I'm from,

723
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: winning championships and then going to college winning championships, not

724
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: losing game. It's good, but there comes a point where

725
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: you get to play the biggest and the baddest and

726
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: the best of the best, and you have to up

727
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: your game. Talent alone will no longer get you there,

728
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: and so what he needs is to kind of help,

729
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: just just film watching and having someone teach him how

730
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: to read defenses and not get trapped by good coordinators.

731
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I think that's that's an area he can improve. That's

732
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: Sam Ocho, former Cardinals linebacker, and in particular, he cited

733
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: that New England loss by the Cardinals where Kyler went

734
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: twenty three or thirty four passing, but just one hundred

735
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: and seventy yards through the air, zero touchdown passes. First

736
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: game he'd done that, going without a touchdown pass, he

737
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: had an interception, and was held to his running game

738
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: just five carries for thirty one yards rushing. And remember,

739
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: Kyler would much rather call his zone number versus called

740
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: run plays. And if you have that traditional run game

741
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: like the second half of twenty nineteen or the first

742
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: half of twenty twenty, that's when the Cardinals offense seems

743
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: to be really clicking. When all of a sudden, Kyler

744
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: is that third rail when he can make a defense

745
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: pay when perhaps they have their back to him, and

746
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: that's maybe what defensive coordinators really fear. Well, we had

747
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: that conversation about Kyler going forward, myself and Ron Wolfley

748
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: recently here on the Big Red Rage, and it all

749
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: started with a question to Kyler, what do you want

750
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: to improve on? I think all aspects of the game, leadership,

751
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: taking care of the ball being better, as far as accuracy,

752
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: just just the whole game. There's no one in this

753
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: building or that watches the game that's a bigger critic

754
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: of themselves or of me than I am. So I

755
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm idiot better at when we get out

756
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: throw on the field, I planned to show you know

757
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: I grew in those areas. Oh, Pauly, I love that

758
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: right there? Are you kidding me? This is exactly what

759
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: I want to hear. I want to hear this from

760
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. I need to get better in the little things.

761
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: I need to get better in leadership, Polly. He started

762
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: with leadership. Yes, Paul, I you know once again, I

763
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: love that. Listen. You know the way I feel about this, Polly.

764
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: Humility is a wonderful mastery. Truly is because it allows

765
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: you to see where you need to get better and

766
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: what you need to do to get better. And I

767
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: love listening to a guy articulate what obstacles he's got

768
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: to overcome in his career to get better. And you

769
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: just heard it right there from Kyler Murray. You know,

770
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position wolf to me, you look out

771
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: there and you go, okay, AJ Green, Christian Kirk, rondel Moore. Yeah,

772
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: a lot of potential right there, but there's also a

773
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: lot of question marks. And Kyler Murray was asked about

774
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: his receivers in particular AJ Green, I expect I did

775
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: have a big year. I know, you know, I know

776
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people are sleep on him. I know

777
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: a lot of things have been said about, you know,

778
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: him maybe not being on to do it anymore or whatever.

779
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: We don't really care about that, you know, I ignore

780
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: all that. You know. I'm glad he's on the team.

781
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we have a great receiver room, more weapons

782
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: than I can ask for, and on paper, absolutely, but honestly,

783
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: you have DeAndre Hopkins and a lot of unknowns right now.

784
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: What can you count on and bank on here this

785
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: season when it comes to that receiver room. Yeah, it

786
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: is a great question right there. What you can count

787
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: on is d hop That's number one I would stop with.

788
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: I would start I should say what, DeAndre Hopkins, I

789
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: think you can count on that right there. I think

790
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 1: you can count on AJ Green. I do at least

791
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: I think AJ Green has got an awful lot to prove.

792
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: He needed a change of scenery, a change of offense.

793
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: It's the refresh button for AJ green ball, all right?

794
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: So hit zoom out. Does the Cardinals offense in general

795
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: need to change, especially when it comes to the run game.

796
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: We know Kyler Murray and what happened at Seattle in

797
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: week nine with the shoulder entry, Yes, and we know things.

798
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: We're never quite the same for whatever reason. Cliff Kingsbury

799
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: was asked about it and he used the word uncomfortable.

800
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: Kyler was uncomfortable push and he had a push through

801
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, his physical state and that injury to a

802
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: large degree. And if you look at some of the

803
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: numbers the before and the after. For example, Kyler's rushing

804
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: yards per carry six point nine nearly seven yards per

805
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: carry in the nine games before Seattle, and these numbers

806
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: crunched by our Kyle odegardency Cardinals dot Com. The final

807
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: seven games, he averaged less than five yards to carry

808
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: and it had only one rushing touchdown under the final

809
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: seven games. I guess what he had ten in the

810
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: first nine games. So he was asked by Kyle about

811
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: that today, here's Kyler Murray. Well, if your reaction to

812
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: the shoulder injury and exactly what it did or didn't

813
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: do to the Cardinals running game, you know, my legs

814
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: should be a luxury, and it kind of wasn't like

815
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: that last year. It was kind of me having to

816
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: run for us and once you know, my shoulder was

817
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: named up or whatever, and I wasn't trying to put

818
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: myself out there and take those hits and stuff like that.

819
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: Who kind of took a law, you know, hit a law.

820
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I think it was good for us.

821
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: You know, I think it was a lesson for us that,

822
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, we can't be one dimensional. We just got

823
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: to be better in all all areas, all aspects of

824
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: the game. PAULI, I'll tell you right now, in Vegas,

825
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: when somebody hit the jackpot, they used to say winner, winner, chicken,

826
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: dinner ball, because that basically it's what you want. When

827
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: in the very beginning of Vegas, that's what they did.

828
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: Paul ding Ding Ding ding Ding, I endorse this message. Paul.

829
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: You know you have listened to me talk about this

830
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: very thing. He can't be Michael Veck, Paul, he can't.

831
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: You can't build your offense around Kyler Murray and say

832
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: Kyler's got to run the ball. If you tell me

833
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray's got to run the ball for him

834
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: to be effective in the National Football League, you're telling me, basically,

835
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: he's Michael Veck. You need to run him when when

836
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: when you need it the most. When I hear him

837
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: say that his legs are a luxury, Paul, that's exactly

838
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: the way you want to view him. Not in every down.

839
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: Here we go, Kyler Murray, We're gonna have you run

840
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: the ball, Tann eleven twelve times a game. No, let

841
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: him scramble. Let it every now and then when you

842
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: need it the most, when you need a first down,

843
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: when you need a touchdown in the red zone, let

844
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: him run the ball. Then. I got no problem with that.

845
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: But Man, if you're gonna go into a game saying, well,

846
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: we've got to have Kyler Murray, our running game is

847
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: built around Kyler Murray. Man, you're your host. That's Ron Wolf.

848
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: We wrapping up a recent conversation we had here on

849
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: the Big Red rage regarding Kyler Murray and the Cardinals

850
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: offense in twenty twenty one. And yeah, he had thirty

851
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: two runs of ten or more yards a year ago.

852
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: But when it's not balanced out by a traditional run game,

853
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: when the Cardinals can have that passing game of Cliff

854
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: Kingsbury with some added weapons like an AJ Green now

855
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: and a Rondale Moore and Christian Kirk perhaps going from

856
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: the slot, and then you have that one two punch

857
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: at running back with a James Conner and Chase Edmonds

858
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: more of a traditional run game. And now Kyla truly

859
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: is that third rail. We'll look out right it becomes

860
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: must see football. And speaking of single game tickets on

861
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: sale right now, aday Ze Cardinals dot com slash gameticks.

862
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: That's Asy Cardinals dot Com Slash game t i x

863
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley, Am Paul Keldys. This has been a best

864
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: of edition of The Big Red Rage presented by santan

865
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: Ford in Gilbert. Number one kil You've been listening to

866
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: The Big Red Rage presented by Santanford in Gilbert? Are you?

867
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: Santanford State Farm talk to an agent today at eight

868
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: hundred State Farm and by Arizona Cardinals podcasts. Visit Acy

869
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. This has been an exclusive

870
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: presentation of the Arizona Cardinals football Club