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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. I am John Schmilki, is

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Speaker 1: Lance Meadal. The phone number is two one four five

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to your phone calls quickly. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go through this game in two different ways. And

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Speaker 1: Lance and I kind of discussed this at lunch, so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna kind of go through the game granually first

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Speaker 1: a lot of the small things that happened to impact

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Speaker 1: the Giants in this game, and then we'll try to

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Speaker 1: tackle some of the bigger issues that I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: guys want to talk about in terms of the season,

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Speaker 1: the roster, things like that before we get to your call.

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Speaker 1: So Lance, let's start with the game first, and the

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Speaker 1: thing to me that really killed the Giants in the

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Speaker 1: first half on both sides of the ball was red

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Speaker 1: zone defense. Um it's I know people don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear about stuff like that, but their inability to score

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Speaker 1: on the red zone. They were over two with two

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Speaker 1: field goals in the first half. The Eagles, on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, were three or four with three touchdowns. So

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Speaker 1: the Eagles actually only out gained the Giants by five

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Speaker 1: yards in the first half of this game. The scores

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Speaker 1: six because of the turnover in Giants territory. On the

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Speaker 1: second play of the game, the Elne Manning passed to

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Speaker 1: Scott Simonson, ran a bad route, ball got tipped up

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Speaker 1: in the air. Eli maybe shouldn't have thrown it there,

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Speaker 1: gets intercepted. That turns into a touchdown. But the Giants

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Speaker 1: able to move the ball, but they couldn't punch it in.

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Speaker 1: And we can go through the reasons in a second,

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Speaker 1: but the Eagles were able to punch it in and

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Speaker 1: heading into this game, it's actually the opposite of what

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Speaker 1: the team strengths were. The Giants red zone defense is

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Speaker 1: really good. The Eagles red zone offense was really bad.

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Speaker 1: That didn't seem to matter. Um, So that to me

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Speaker 1: was really what made this a six game. In the

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Speaker 1: first half, the Eagles got the ball us to go

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Speaker 1: on and the Giants couldn't. That field position was huge

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Speaker 1: to your point, John, I mean the interception basically allowed

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Speaker 1: the Eagles to on their first possession start essentially in

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Speaker 1: the red zone, and then they were able to capitalize

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Speaker 1: when they were knocking on the door right near the

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Speaker 1: goal line. A huge difference. You're talking about an Eagles team, John,

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Speaker 1: that went forget the first half a loan four of

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Speaker 1: six when they were only converting just over fifty on

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Speaker 1: the season. The Giants held Drew Brees and the Saints

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Speaker 1: oh for four in the red zone in the first

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Speaker 1: half of You remember two weeks ago, so they had

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Speaker 1: been very stingy in those small areas. But the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks, third in the league red zone defense teams

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Speaker 1: have just been able to capitalize. And Carson Wentz and

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Speaker 1: company took full advantage of every single one of their opportunities,

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Speaker 1: whether it be zach Ertz, whether it be aut Sean Jeffrey,

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Speaker 1: whether it be Corey Clement. They did it through the air,

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Speaker 1: they did it on the ground. And if you can't

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Speaker 1: make consistent stops, then that means, John, you have to

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Speaker 1: then go back and forth in an offensive clinic type

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Speaker 1: of field. So two things went wrong for the Giants

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Speaker 1: last night. Not only did they not get stops in

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Speaker 1: the red zone, but their yardage, which you said was

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Speaker 1: not a huge disparity, they could not translate that to points.

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Speaker 1: That's why when anybody calls up or anybody wants to

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Speaker 1: have a dialogue about time of possession is so important,

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Speaker 1: John A total yards is so important. Now, all of

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Speaker 1: those things are relevant and meaningless if they don't equate

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Speaker 1: to point. It's how they turn into points. That's the

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Speaker 1: biggest storyline, and the Giants couldn't turn it into points

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Speaker 1: in this game. You mentioned field position, your right, it

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Speaker 1: was big. The Eagles start their own drive around the

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Speaker 1: six at the sixteen yard line, their second drive UM

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Speaker 1: a uh punt return that brought it into Giants territory,

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Speaker 1: and then their field goal drive started near midfield as

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Speaker 1: rosas Miths. So three short fields for the Eagles in

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Speaker 1: that first half. And you mentioned the third down conversions

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Speaker 1: Obviously you had the big turnover by Eli Manning. That

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Speaker 1: The Giants second drive, they don't have any negative plays

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Speaker 1: it probably would have been a touchdown. I think they

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Speaker 1: made the right call, even though Giant vans might not

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Speaker 1: like it for not to be pass interference because usually

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Speaker 1: feat getting tangled is not a call they generally make. UM.

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Speaker 1: But that was the reason they couldn't get into it there. Um.

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Speaker 1: No one was open on the second down play when

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Speaker 1: I watched it on tape. UM. Then on the third drive,

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Speaker 1: the first play from scrimmage from the nine yard line,

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning literally takes his third step in his drop

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Speaker 1: plants and Michael Bennet's gonna kill him. He did not

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Speaker 1: have a chance. So you're down to second eighteen on

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Speaker 1: your own one. That's an automatic put. No one's gonna

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Speaker 1: convert off of that. You had three straight possessions. By

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Speaker 1: the way, that where there was a sacker a penalty

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Speaker 1: on office yep. And then two drives later after see

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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley starts to drive beautifully with a nine yard

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Speaker 1: Starling Shepard gets called for an illegal block above the waist.

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Speaker 1: He blocked a player, Malcolm Jenkins, clearly in the back.

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Speaker 1: You saw it on the replay. It was a correct call. Again,

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Speaker 1: puts the Giants in the first and twenty um. They

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Speaker 1: throw a screen pass to O'Dell on the first play,

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Speaker 1: gains no yard. Second and twenty uh. They complete a

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Speaker 1: third and fifteen. Now on that play, and this is

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer saying throw the ball on the sideline. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the coaches tape on that particular play, UM,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he's referring to, but there happens

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Speaker 1: the formation. They motioned se Kwon Barkley out as a

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Speaker 1: to attack that one on one down the field, but

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Speaker 1: hard for them to score. Yeah, because every time they

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Speaker 1: take a few steps forward, it seems John, they take

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Speaker 1: This was the first half, first half, fourteen three game, John,

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about in the second quarter, the Giants

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Speaker 1: took over with let's see, about six minutes seven minutes.

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Speaker 1: I would say, actually the first play was running for

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Speaker 1: some reason, this play by place completely out of avoid

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Speaker 1: a very liable option here. Well no, no, not now,

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Speaker 1: I see they got moved it out. So after the

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Speaker 1: So you moved all the way down the field and

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Speaker 1: intendant to Philly thirteen. John, you back up then with

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Speaker 1: a Greco false start. Okay, fine, Then the Eagles give

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Speaker 1: his body. Clearly a violation of the rule. So then

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Speaker 1: Barkley picks up a yard okay, not a killer, not

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Speaker 1: first and fifteen, that was when we we get Wayne

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Speaker 1: Goldman dropped the passing from the flat. Then on the

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Speaker 1: the guests the gift. So after Barkley gets one yard

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Speaker 1: No one was open on that play. Maybe Cody Lattimer

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Speaker 1: it would have been a really really tough fit there

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Speaker 1: for the Giants. And you know, we talked about chunk

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Speaker 1: plays a lot Lance and the Giants actually had more

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Speaker 1: it was a seven to three or eight to four um.

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Speaker 1: Creem Martin hits Carson Wentz's arm and Nelson Agilore for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason. And we'll get to the defense and a bit, folks,

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Speaker 1: than the offense in this game. Uh Nelson Agholor is

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Speaker 1: air that turns into a twentysomething yard game. So those

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Speaker 1: soft defense. We didn't see a lot of tighten man

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Speaker 1: of sixteen on third down conversions. Lands. They ran the

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Speaker 1: ball all right, but it was nothing special. But Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz was simply very very efficient with the football hundred

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Speaker 1: quarterback rating thirty six to seventy eight and three touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: seventy to eight R drives. That's why when these balls

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Speaker 1: are bouncing on the ground, the Giants have to be opportunistic. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a lack of effort necessarily in

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Speaker 1: all cases. I mean, Cody Latimer, it was the unfortunate

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Speaker 1: timing of him pulling his hamstring when the ball is

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Speaker 1: right in his vicinity. I don't think Cody said, you know,

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Speaker 1: what the hell with it, the game's over, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna go after the ball. It was just bad timing.

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Speaker 1: But you know, some of those other instances, the bounces

439
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Speaker 1: just have not gone the Giant's way. And this has

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Speaker 1: been a trend, John, and make a play. Somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: make a play. The Saints game, you had two special

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Speaker 1: teams plays, one muff punk, one muff kickoff. Saints recover both,

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Speaker 1: and one of them off a Brandon Tate. Not only

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Speaker 1: did he Muffett, he kicked it forward about five or

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Speaker 1: six yards bounced right into his stomach. How about the

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Speaker 1: Dallas game a similar play where Connor borrowing jump to

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Speaker 1: knock the ball down, hits him right in the hands,

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Speaker 1: and if he doesn't do it, you'll Apples in position

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Speaker 1: to intercept the ball. Anyway, it's little plays like that

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Speaker 1: that you have to make that can make a difference

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Speaker 1: for the defense. And again not in the past. Pressure

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Speaker 1: too many blown assignments in the secondary. Why Curtis Riley

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Speaker 1: left the middle of the field on the deep post

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Speaker 1: to ag I have no idea where he was going.

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Speaker 1: Landon Collins Dot caught looking at the quarterback on the

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Speaker 1: Carson Wins rollout in the red zone um all Sean

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey got free, caught the touchdown pass Genor's Jenkins bit

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Speaker 1: on the double move by zach Ertz in the red

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Speaker 1: zone on the slant went outside, score the touchdown. These

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Speaker 1: are the type of plays where this Giant's team wins,

461
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Speaker 1: like you just said, had such a small margin for error.

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Speaker 1: They just do. There's a reason that only I think

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Speaker 1: now twenty two players are left on this roster from

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Speaker 1: last year. It wasn't a good roster. They went three

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Speaker 1: and thirteen for a reason. You have to make these

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Speaker 1: plays when they become available if you're gonna win games.

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Speaker 1: The team is simply not good enough to overcome it, period,

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Speaker 1: stop and real quickly. As far as special teams, I

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Speaker 1: know we pretty much intertwined that with the defense. But

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Speaker 1: aside from the coverage issues John, which you highlighted in

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Speaker 1: terms of not being able to get the loose balls,

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Speaker 1: you know, Odell Beckham had a muffed return. Fortunately he

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Speaker 1: was able to recover that run up and catch the

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Speaker 1: football man. How many times he could have ran up

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Speaker 1: and caught two or three of those punty's letting bounce,

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Speaker 1: so you know that has been an issue. They're not

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Speaker 1: gaining any favorable field position as a result of their

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Speaker 1: return game. Like we said, there's coverage issues. And then

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Speaker 1: you know old Jake Rosas is short on a fifty

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Speaker 1: two yard field. I know Pat Schremer said today, they

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Speaker 1: don't think it's the injury. He's got such a big

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Speaker 1: lake Lands. He made a fifty three yarder, which was

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Speaker 1: a career high a few weeks ago. Yeah, but remember

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Speaker 1: he's hurting now. And Pat Yourmer did touch on that

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Speaker 1: when we just heard him addressed the media before we

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Speaker 1: came on. That's why we started a little bit later

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Speaker 1: than normal. Rosas didn't make a kick from that length

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Speaker 1: and warmups though, and I checked with somebody on that

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Speaker 1: he made a kick from that distance and warm ups.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he tightened up after playing a little bit, who knows,

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Speaker 1: but didn't make the kick. So those things, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you least can't afford to have when you have some

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Speaker 1: offensive and defensive issues. So you know, once again, you

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Speaker 1: want to play the game escapegoat Hey, more power to

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Speaker 1: all of you, will field all your clhone calls. You

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Speaker 1: want to have the quarterback debate about you know, this

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Speaker 1: guy should come into the lineup, and we can do

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Speaker 1: that too, offense, defense, special teams. You can spread the

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Speaker 1: wealth as to why the Giants lost on Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: Football team is not good enough right now. The team's

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Speaker 1: not playing well enough right now. Maybe that's the better

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Speaker 1: way I should put it. The team is not executing

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Speaker 1: at the level necessary to win football games. And I'll

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Speaker 1: give one quote from Pat Schremer, who talked right before

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Speaker 1: we came in here. Somebody asked him, do you still

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Speaker 1: have faith that this season can mean something? His answer, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: We don't do the math. We keep playing. So before

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Speaker 1: you say the Giants has started different quarterback next week,

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Speaker 1: that's the answer I'm gonna give you. It's not on

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Speaker 1: the head coaches radar um. They he still has faith

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Speaker 1: in Eli. He said it today very vociferously. And you know,

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Speaker 1: two months from now, maybe it's a different equation. I

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Speaker 1: can't tell you that, but right now, that's the equation.

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Speaker 1: It's not changing right now. And I don't think I

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Speaker 1: don't like it, but that's what it is. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody should be surprised by that commentary. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about a guy who's a brand new head coach. And

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Speaker 1: you want to make the argument John that well, you know,

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Speaker 1: he has the luxury to look long term because this

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Speaker 1: is his first season, so maybe he doesn't nearly have

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Speaker 1: as much pressure as somebody who's been here for three

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Speaker 1: or four years. But you know, Pat Shermer is still

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Speaker 1: a competitive guy. If you think he's going to say,

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Speaker 1: six games into the season, there one in five And

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Speaker 1: by the way, there's a one percent chance of one

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Speaker 1: in five teams making the play. It's only one team

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Speaker 1: has done that. You know who the Chiefs believe in

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Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen. I will yea, I will confirm that

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Speaker 1: as we move along, we don't need to hold up

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Speaker 1: the program as a result of that. But the bottom

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Speaker 1: line is, I think he made clear. That was my

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Speaker 1: biggest takeaway from the press conference today. John. He's not saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: now we gotta start developing. We've got to look forward.

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Speaker 1: They plan on being competitive and going out there and

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Speaker 1: winning football games. And I know that may irritate fans

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Speaker 1: because fans are now going to start turning towards two

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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen draft, and you want to get the best

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Speaker 1: pick in this and that I just I don't get

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Speaker 1: any sense that Pat Shermer has any plans right now

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Speaker 1: to your point a December, maybe this conversation changes right now,

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Speaker 1: only six games into the season. I just don't sense

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Speaker 1: any thought process whatsoever about positioning for the draft and

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Speaker 1: next season. I think it's all about the now and

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Speaker 1: trying to get this thing on track before the buy.

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Speaker 1: Ownership and Dave Getleman are very clear. I forget what

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Speaker 1: press conference it was, but I remember it vividly. The

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Speaker 1: Giants do not tank, so organization will not tank. It's

548
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Speaker 1: not going to happen. So just keep that in mind.

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Speaker 1: Like it or not. We want to remind you that

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Speaker 1: throughout the season. Mr Dominic, let's take some phone calls

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Speaker 1: one three, and let's start with our buddy Oran down

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Speaker 1: in Virginia. What do you got, David? You're giving me

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Speaker 1: hand both hands? Two people drop. Let's go to Marco

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Speaker 1: in Connecticut. He's been on hold the longest. What's up, Marco? Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's up guys? Marco doing well? What do you got

558
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Speaker 1: for us? Uh? A little bit of venting and then

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Speaker 1: I got a question for you guys. Sure, so just

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Speaker 1: you know, incredibly frustrated. I I really try to separate

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Speaker 1: the season from last season. You have to, but and

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Speaker 1: I know that, and I feel I feel for Gettleman

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Speaker 1: and especially Sherman because Sherman is the one who's really

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Speaker 1: taken the hits each week with with the media and fans. Uh. Um,

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Speaker 1: But it seems like everything is just so lumped into

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Speaker 1: like this one bad five year season that's sort of

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Speaker 1: seems like but yeah, but yeah, and yet we and

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Speaker 1: you guys take the calls that you guys take the

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Speaker 1: calls every day in the off season, and we're we

570
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Speaker 1: get so amped up in the off season getting ready

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Speaker 1: for the season, and it's over before Halloween, or at

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Speaker 1: least that's what it seems like. Um. Last night was big,

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Speaker 1: and it was a telling sign on a lot of levels. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I I don't know where where where

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Speaker 1: things are going. I kind of felt like, you know,

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Speaker 1: even in the first couple of games, seeing them that,

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Speaker 1: seeing the team kind of struggle the offensive line and

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Speaker 1: then when they move Flowers out, Um, trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out what kind of adjustment Sherman made. Actually that was

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Speaker 1: a question I was going to ask you for a while.

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Speaker 1: What kind of adjustments did Sherman make from going into

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Speaker 1: the Houston game, or like, were there any big things

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Speaker 1: that jumped out? And I'm just talking out loud now

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Speaker 1: because um I feel like, Oh, I think Getleman has

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Speaker 1: done as much as he possibly could in an off season.

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Speaker 1: Marco Real quick and I just wanted to give your

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Speaker 1: heads up the adjustments they made in the Houston game.

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Speaker 1: H Houston turned it over twice in the red zone,

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Speaker 1: so they didn't score touchdowns on those plays. They moved

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Speaker 1: the ball, but they turned it over twice inside the

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Speaker 1: Giants twenty yard line. And the Texans also has had

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Speaker 1: to play man to man defense, which the Giants eat

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Speaker 1: up with their wide receivers different than Dallas and New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: Those were the two reasons why the Giants won that

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Speaker 1: football game. Well, and Marco real quickly before we before

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Speaker 1: we lectually continue piggybacking off of your point, John, it's

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Speaker 1: no coincidence that the one game they've won this season

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Speaker 1: they won the turnover different Every single other game, Marco,

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Speaker 1: they have lost turnover differentials. So what John's trying to

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Speaker 1: spell out for everybody. They want to say, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: why were they so successful against Houston Texans. Yes, Eli

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Speaker 1: was efficient. Eli's complete sh percentage was great. He was

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Speaker 1: getting rid of the football quickly, showed a little bit

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Speaker 1: more mobility. Houston at a different defensive philosophy than Dallas,

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Speaker 1: New Orleans and what we saw in Philadelphia. But they

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Speaker 1: were opportunistic, they capitalized on field position off of the turnovers.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else has protected the ball against the Giants, so

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Speaker 1: therefore they haven't been able to cover up their issues.

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Speaker 1: And that's the biggest difference to me between the Houston

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Speaker 1: game versus the remaining five losses. Yeah, Marco real quick

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Speaker 1: one other thing in that Houston game, just just to

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Speaker 1: give everybody an idea here and I'm I'm bringing up

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Speaker 1: the team stats stats here in that game, the Texans

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Speaker 1: still move the ball on the Giants. Um, I'm looking

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Speaker 1: for the for the for the total yards here. The

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Speaker 1: Texans at four twenty seven yards in that game. That's

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Speaker 1: a lot of yards. It's more yards than the Eagles

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Speaker 1: had this week. More yards. But they didn't score in

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Speaker 1: the red zone and they turned it over. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, the Giants are the loss of the Saints

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Speaker 1: by two more touchdowns. If the Saints had scored in

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Speaker 1: the red zone in that game, well, I mean and

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Speaker 1: and equally as equally as um like if you if

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Speaker 1: you look at like into the stats, I think the

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Speaker 1: yard is last night was pretty They were on far

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Speaker 1: with each other, right, they had a lot of yards. Well,

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Speaker 1: that was the point that I made at the half,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles and only out game the Giants by five yards.

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Speaker 1: By the end of the game, the Giants out getting

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Speaker 1: the Eagles by two. They had four oh one. The

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Speaker 1: Eagles had three seventy nine, and s Quon Barcley was

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Speaker 1: responsible for two hundred twenty nine of those four hundred

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Speaker 1: one yards. But look at what those yards did in

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Speaker 1: terms of scoring points. That's the key, alright. But so here,

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Speaker 1: here's here's here's the meat of it. Okay, the I

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Speaker 1: felt like going into this year, I still felt like

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Speaker 1: Gettleman needs like he had a he had a free

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Speaker 1: agency and he had a draft. He needs another free

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Speaker 1: agency and another draft. And I think this team is

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Speaker 1: ready to roll. How about two more, Marco, how about

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Speaker 1: two more? So you're saying three years to fully overhaul

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Speaker 1: the team, I think it takes a couple of years

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Speaker 1: to overhaul the roster. Because here's the problem, Marco, once

644
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: you get past next year, right where Olivia Vernon snacks

645
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: Harrison and Genoric Jenkins on the contracts, Yeah, I know,

646
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: so then so you got to replace them and then

647
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: add on top of that, that's really really hard. So

648
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: you may need a few more drafts. And I brought

649
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: this up on the postgame show, and I'm going to

650
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: say it again. I brought up the fact that he

651
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: drafted Trade Turner and he drafted Darryl Williams when he

652
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: was in Carolina, both third and fourth round picks, respectively.

653
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Speaker 1: But you know, those were two years in a row.

654
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: He didn't just necessarily do that in one flip of

655
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Speaker 1: the switch. So Marco, to your point, you know, he

656
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Speaker 1: may need another draft or two to bring in the

657
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Speaker 1: type of players that he feels are gonna be a

658
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: good fit. Free agency alone doesn't solve all of your problems.

659
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Speaker 1: And listen, this offseason alone has been unbelievable, John, in

660
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: terms of the turnover rate. Twenty two players left from

661
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: last year. So that's it. So now you figure over

662
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Speaker 1: another year or two, you know, And to John's point,

663
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to resign some of the free

664
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Speaker 1: agency diry rees brawl and they'll be in their thirties

665
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: at that point. Now you're gonna need to maybe give

666
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: it another year or two to change those remaining twenty

667
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: players or so, okay, do you do you guys? So so, alright,

668
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: have been a fine three years, two years. Here's the

669
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: here's the issue, right, So Shermer, Shermer. I believe in

670
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: Shermer as the coach. I do, but because I think

671
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his resume and when I and this

672
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: is what fancy fancy in Minnesota that they revamped their

673
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: offensive line last year. They did and and and at

674
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: different times, Shermer had three different quarterbacks he was working

675
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: into that lineup. Okay, if you know him about Minnesota,

676
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: you know Mike Zimmer is not dealing with the offense

677
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: at all. Pat Shermer, his hands were all over that. Yeah,

678
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: but Marco, the Vikings defense was the number one scoring

679
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: defense in the National Football League last season. And you

680
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: know what, It's funny you brought that up because Sherman

681
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: was asked about that. Kim Jones asked him the same

682
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: exact question that you're posing to us. He said, she

683
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: said to him, well, you look at the Vikings offense

684
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: last year and the personnel is somewhat similar. Three new

685
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, Stefon Diggs, Adam Feeling, Odell Beckham Sterling, Shephard

686
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: read Ellison and Evan Ingram, and you had Kyle Rudolph.

687
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: I your point, but you had the number one scoring

688
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: defense and Pat didn't bring that up. I get it.

689
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: He wants to focus to just be on the offense.

690
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: When you give an offensive coordinator that luxury, you're not

691
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: asking him Marco to go out and score thirty points

692
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: a game. So you can't dismiss that this Giant's defense

693
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: is not anywhere near the number one scoring defense of

694
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Speaker 1: the National Football League this season. It's hard to compare. Okay,

695
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: that's that's fair, Alright, He's he's got one side of

696
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Speaker 1: the ball there and the defensive scoring a lot of points.

697
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Speaker 1: But I, I, guys, I want to know where where

698
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Speaker 1: is this thing going? I mean, because it's like the media,

699
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: the media and fans are left to decide, and it's

700
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Speaker 1: it's it's an ongoing issue. Every week, every week, there's

701
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: a game. Every time Eli makes about throw, every time

702
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: he's hurried to make a throw. Every time there's a sack,

703
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: immediately there's a segment that says, um, they should have

704
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Speaker 1: replaced him. He's he he's he's way beyond his years.

705
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Speaker 1: Then there's a segments like, well, look at look at

706
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Speaker 1: the offensive line. You gotta give him a line that

707
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Speaker 1: can play. So that's why I say, Gettiman needs another

708
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: offseason to replenish this line. But now I'm really watching it,

709
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Speaker 1: and last night it was the first time it was like, man,

710
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: what is what is going on? That this team has

711
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: become a laughing stock around the league? And and that's

712
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: where fans are just crazy like you and you better

713
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: believe guys, and you know this, no matter how this

714
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Speaker 1: year ends, and no matter what happens in the offseason

715
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Speaker 1: and who's drafted next year, Game one next year, if

716
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Speaker 1: the first series is a three and out, the Blues

717
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: will bring it down because fans, fans feel like this

718
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: is an ongoing problem that has not been corrected. Last name, guys,

719
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: three head coaches have gone three off three different offenses.

720
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Speaker 1: Now free life, three offensive line coaches, a new GM.

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Speaker 1: You guys can hear it in me. I'm frustrated because

722
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: I want to protect the quarterback I want to defend him,

723
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: but honestly, I don't know what the hell is going on,

724
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Speaker 1: and I don't know who should be taking the blame

725
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: for it. Marco, it's fair and and and and thanks

726
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: a lot for the call. We appreciate it. And and

727
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: and I understand why why you're at where you're at.

728
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: And we said before the year, no more excuses this year.

729
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: This is it. You listen all the reasons why now

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00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: I think don't think the offensive line is playing as

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Speaker 1: well as any of us would have thought it would

732
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Speaker 1: have this year. I thought it would be better than

733
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Speaker 1: what it's been. So is that a mitigating factor? Sure?

734
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Speaker 1: But look, and let's well, let's let's let's cover the

735
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Speaker 1: bigger quarterback issues. I'm sure we're gonna get other questions

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Speaker 1: about this, and lands to me, both things can be true.

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Speaker 1: Eli could be someone that they need to replace because

738
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Speaker 1: he's getting older, only one year left on the contract

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Speaker 1: after this year, but at the current time, he still

740
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Speaker 1: might be their best option to try to win games.

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Speaker 1: And he might not be the player he used to be,

742
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Speaker 1: and he might be declining, but he still might be

743
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Speaker 1: the best option currently to try to win games. It

744
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be all or nothing. Both those things

745
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: can be true at the same time. I agree with you.

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00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: I think it's well said, John, but it goes back

747
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Speaker 1: to my Scapegoat conversation. I think people don't want to

748
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: see it that it could go both ways, and I

749
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Speaker 1: don't want to get off topic, but I'm sure a

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Speaker 1: lot of people saw Geno Smith tweeted out the whole

751
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: thing about Ben mcindo, and I'm not trying to take

752
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: this show in a different direction. But the reason I'm

753
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: bringing that up because I think it's related to what

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Speaker 1: you're bringing up. John. I'm tired of the narrative that

755
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Speaker 1: we're playing this hypothetical game that if you're removing line

756
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Speaker 1: Manning from the equation, you automatically know that the offense

757
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: is dramatically going to improve. That's what personally irritates me

758
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: because there's no substantial evidence to support that claim. And

759
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Speaker 1: Gino Smith was one game. But let's not forget for

760
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Speaker 1: those of you who may have a short term memory,

761
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: by the way, against a Bad Raiders defense which basically

762
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Speaker 1: just had Khalil Mack correct, which just goes to show

763
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Speaker 1: you when you remove Khalil maxim the equation, what happens

764
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Speaker 1: to the Raiders defense, which is a whole other show

765
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: coming up on Raiders dot Com a little bit later on. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I get back to the point at hand. Gino Smith

767
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: was sacked three times in that game, he lost two fumbles,

768
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: the offense only scored seventeen points. I'm not bringing that

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00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: up to say Geno Smith wasn't a good quarterback, so

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00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: don't misinterpret my words. I'm bringing that up to say

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Speaker 1: that that was one smell sment, one small sample size.

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Speaker 1: But to say that you simply removing line manning from

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Speaker 1: the equation, you put a mobile quarterback in John and

774
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: then all of the offensive issues disappear, the offensive line

775
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: issues disappear, to me, is completely misleading. We have nothing

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00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: to go by that that if you put Kyolo Lett

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Speaker 1: in right now that the offense I was going to

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Speaker 1: score thirty five points consistently. M I just can't tell

779
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: me that. And my question for you, Lands is how

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Speaker 1: many quarterbacks around the league do you think you could

781
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: put a parachute on, have him parachute into this offense

782
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: and this team the way it is now, that would

783
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Speaker 1: completely turn things around ten and most perhaps I don't

784
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Speaker 1: think it's a huge percentage, like Brady Rogers, Russell Wilson,

785
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. But even Russell Wilson would Seattle this year?

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Speaker 1: John I don't even know if he's a great examples

787
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: don't have a good offensive line, and Seattle's two and three? Right,

788
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan I would maybe put in that category of

789
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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger maybe, But look after that, folks, you're into

790
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Speaker 1: the Alex Smith's, the Kirk Cousins, the Case Keenom's, the

791
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Derek cars, the Dak Prescott's, the Andy Dalton's, the Marcus Mariota's.

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Speaker 1: You know, guys, is there really much of a difference

793
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: between that group of guys and what you have a quarterback?

794
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: So no, do you have a top five guy? Maybe not,

795
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: but those other guys don't grow on cheese. You realize

796
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: the Redskins had the trade of first round pick and

797
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: then give almost a hundred million dollars to Alex Smith

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00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: this offseason. And do you really think this offense is

799
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: taken off if you put Alex Smith in for Eli Manning? No,

800
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: you're not. We set it before the year. Eli Manning

801
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: is no longer two thousand and eleven. Eli Manning. Okay,

802
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: when he was one of the best quarterbacks in the

803
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: league and had a historic season. He was fantastic. But

804
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: you can win with Eli Manning if the parts around

805
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 1: him more correct, all right, and he has to help

806
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: requisite to him succeeding. Now, would it be nice to

807
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: have that can win without the right parts around them. Sure,

808
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: but those guys are rare. They're very, very rare. And look, folks,

809
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: I sat here and I tried to convince everyone that

810
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: called into the show and the host that was on

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00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: what that the Giant should have picked quarterback last year

812
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: in the draft. I was very public with it. That's

813
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: no surprise. So you know where I'm at here. Okay,

814
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: But if you would have dropped Sam Donald or Josh

815
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: Rosen or Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield into this offense

816
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: right now, it ain't much better. It's probably worse with

817
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: everybody in that list except for maybe Baker. And I

818
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: don't know what he would look like in this offense either, well,

819
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: he'd still makes it could very much look worse too. Yeah,

820
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you could argue he's got the mobility factor.

821
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: But here's the other thing. Even if let's go with

822
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: the hypothetical John Okay, So Baker mayfields off the board,

823
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: so there's no point they're talking about Sam Donald. Okay,

824
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Giants are on the clock. They take Sam Donald, the

825
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: Giants are now off to a one in five start.

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Speaker 1: Do we know, for one said certainty that Pat Shermer,

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00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: Mike Shula, Dave Gentleman all sit down and say right now,

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald's the starting quarterback entering Monday Night against the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons, Because based on the Pat Shermer that I'm

830
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: listening to right now, I don't think you could automatically

831
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: make that assumption. So once again, for people that think

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00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: even if you took a quarterback high, that that quarterback

833
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: was gonna get valuable reps this season, I would not

834
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: go so far to say that. I still think that

835
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: they believe Elion Manning is their best option right now.

836
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean for the next two years, the next season,

837
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right now, though, I think they believe Eli

838
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: Manning is the best option. And I think that even

839
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: if they drafted a quarterback at number two, I don't

840
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: see a quarterback change as it stands right now, and

841
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody can guarantee that it would be

842
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: the complete opposite, and that doesn't mean that I'm one present, right,

843
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you my personal opinion. But you very

844
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: well could have a number two quarterbacks sitting on the

845
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: bench and learning just like Aaron Rodgers did behind Bred

846
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 1: Farve for a season or two. Doesn't mean it's gonna

847
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: change the narrative. We've done a lot of talking, so

848
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna take your calls the rest of the way.

849
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: And Dave, I'm gonna go a little bit long today.

850
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: We start a little bit late, so I'm gonna go over.

851
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: Is that okay? You don't have a crazy a lot

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00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: of stuff to do, all right, So we're a little

853
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: bit over. Folks. Will make sure we get all your

854
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: calls in, will keep them coming at two on five,

855
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: on three, let's go to Dylan in Watertown, New York.

856
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: He's way up north. What's not doing? Hey, guys, how's

857
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: it going to do? Um? Well, just three things I

858
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: was going to talk about and actually doesn't have much

859
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: to do. Is I would say their play. I would say,

860
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: one of the things I've noticed this year is that

861
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: it seems somehow, in some way that there's like a

862
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: lack of leadership. Why do you say what I mean

863
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: by that? And well, the reason I say it is

864
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: because like when like especially like a season like this, Um,

865
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: I mean when you see the camera on the sidelines

866
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean we're used to Odell acting out. Um.

867
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: First time I've seen Sterling Shepard against the Panthers, he

868
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: was really upset and like a lot of players just

869
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, obviously upset and frustrated. But I haven't really

870
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: seen too many players you know, having guys get together

871
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: or um, just being kind of like a true leader

872
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: to help. And the one I do notice and it

873
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: doesn't come as a surprise really, but se Kwon Barkley

874
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: has been a tremendous leader. I think, Um. I mean

875
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: I even noticed last night when Beckham was upset, when

876
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: he was upset, the Kwon Barkley went up to him.

877
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: He was um talking to him and calming him down.

878
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: And then when Gallman messed up on those two plays

879
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: and field, yeah, I noticed like Barkley you know, patted

880
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: him on the back and uh, you know, I've noticed

881
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: him stepping up and it kind of sometimes gets frustrating

882
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: because you see, you know, like veterans like even O'Dell,

883
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: I think he has potential to be a leader. But

884
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: I just you know, seeing like a young guy like

885
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: se Kwon Barkley jumping right in. Um, it's some times

886
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: frustrating to see a lot of the veterans not really

887
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: um almost taking that role. And Um, the next part

888
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: I would jump into is I know, UM coach Hermer

889
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: was asked about the effort last night and UM if

890
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: if he was concerned about then I know he said

891
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't. But I think as fans, I think we

892
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: can somewhat see that it just seemed like the effort

893
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: wasn't fully on a lot of plays offensive defense. Um,

894
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: I was kind of I mean a lot of I

895
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: thought I saw a lot of defensive plays where the

896
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: effort was just kind of it just wasn't. I mean,

897
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: one of them was I think it was a play

898
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: where I don't know if it was Jeffrey who got

899
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: the touchdown. It was the short quick play. Yeah, yeah, yep,

900
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: that that one. It just seemed like everything was like

901
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: in slow motion. And UM, there was another play I

902
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: can't remember who who it was. It was a play

903
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: kind of went up the sideline. It might have been

904
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: maybe Corey Clement, but um, he was going up the

905
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: sideline and just it seemed like a lot of guys

906
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: were just it almost looked like they were just jogging

907
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: or they just they weren't really taking great pursuit angles

908
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's just kind of stuff you

909
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: you go back to, you know, mini camp, training camp,

910
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: like that's just fundamentals and technique, and um, the next seas, yeah,

911
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: like last I mean against the Panthers, it just seemed

912
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: like a totally different team. And then I figured after

913
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: that game, he jumped into the Eagles game, and it's like,

914
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, after having a game like that, I figured

915
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: there would be a lot more fire and a lot

916
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: more just executions being made and things like that. And

917
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: then after you know, seeing how it was, I mean,

918
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: given it was a short week, but it was also

919
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: a short week for the Eagles too. They weren't. Thank you.

920
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: I want to make sure again as many coals as

921
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: I can. And I'll say this about I'm very very

922
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: wary of questionings people effort unless you really see a

923
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: play where a guy gives up on a play. So

924
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go there. I didn't think I saw

925
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: anybody particularly dogging it last night on plays. I really didn't.

926
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: I thought Alec Oguchi was running around all game, blending

927
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: Collins that was running around all game. Now do they

928
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: run always to the right place and do the right things? No,

929
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: and that's part of the problem. But I'm and and

930
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: Pat Yourmer said it today. He even looked at the

931
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: tape and no problem with his team's effort. Yeah, I'm

932
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: with you. I don't necessarily think it's a lack of effort.

933
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: I think lack of execution is probably a better way

934
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: to describe what's going on with this team. The other

935
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: thing that I'm really getting tired of talking about. I'm

936
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: not blaming the last caller, but we've got to stop

937
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: playing psychiatristsologist and look at it images on screens. Its

938
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: sterling Shepard. I saw that when he was playing Carolina.

939
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: Just because a guy takes his helmet and bangs it

940
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: against the bench doesn't mean that he's not a good leader.

941
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: Since what is it a crime to show frustration? I mean,

942
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: every NFL play, John's gotta be a robot, and the

943
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: radio shows plenty of frustration coming on yelling at his teammates.

944
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: I just I don't understand why everybody's gotta be programmed

945
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: fall into a narrow line and if they go out

946
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: of the line. It's like it reminds me when you're

947
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: in kindergarten. You take the crayon, John and you color

948
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: outside of the line. So no, no time out, no

949
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: milk and cookies. I mean, come on, really, there are

950
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: ways to channel that properly. There is a point now

951
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: where if a guy gets so mad and out of

952
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: control that it's a detriment of the team. But I

953
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: think you're right Lance. Even for someone like me who's

954
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: in the building and in the locker room, it's hard

955
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: to really judge who's being a leader in the meeting room,

956
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: who's leading the film study, who's um making other guys

957
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: be accountable, um, who is doing the stuff on the sideline.

958
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: You see such small snippets on TV on in terms

959
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: of what guys are doing, and they choose what to

960
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: show you. They might have two shots. One shot is

961
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: of you know, Cody Lattimer talking to some guy looking

962
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: like a leader, but no, they have say Kwan Barkley,

963
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: and he's the bigger stars, so they're gonna show him

964
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: on TV instead. So I think it's very, very difficult

965
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: from anyone's perspective, fan or media. From the outside in

966
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: to figure out who's a good leader and why. That's

967
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: a very in house type of thing. Well, and I

968
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: don't want to get off top of you a real

969
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: quick example, John, for those of you who watched the

970
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: HBO's Hard Knocks, if you remember Jarvis Landry gave that

971
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: whole speech in the wide receiver's room. John, I don't

972
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: know if you saw that episode where he was basically

973
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: telling guy, there's no effort, it's contagious, and the rookies

974
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: had fun at his expense. Okay, so you would say

975
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: that's an example of leadership. You're calling out your teammates,

976
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: you want to see better effort. Then later on in

977
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, he gets into a fight with his teammate,

978
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: a defensive back. The emotions are out of whack, punches

979
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: the guy that goes crazy. So then if you just

980
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: see that on an island, you would argue Jarvis as

981
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: a terrible leader. He doesn't know what he's doing, his

982
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: emotions are out of whack. And then somebody shows you

983
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: a clip it maybe of what he did talking to

984
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: his fellow wide receive as you see a different climpse

985
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: of him. So my point is it's an emotional game.

986
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: Guys are not going to be necessarily even keel every

987
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: single day of the week and every single game. It's

988
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: just not gonna happen. And that's the reality of the circumstance.

989
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: And we don't see, as John mentioned, what goes on

990
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: in the film room and what goes on in the

991
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: meeting room, and there's a lot of guys and snacks.

992
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: To me, seems like one of those guys, John, he

993
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: does not vocalize or show much emotion to make a

994
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: statement to you all. Hey, by the way, I'm a

995
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: leader or vernon to I'll throw on that category as well.

996
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: But when those guys are behind closed doors, we just

997
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know how assertive they are with their teammates.

998
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: Two O one, nine, three, nine, four or five on three.

999
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: Robin is down in Atlanta. Robin's up next, Hey Robin, Hey, guys, thanks.

1000
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: I just got a couple play that I want to

1001
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: talk about last night. One was after I think it

1002
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: was off the we scored a touchdown and uh, we

1003
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: kicked them all off. A guy like the defender just

1004
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: ran past. Yeah. On that play, Cody adam Or pulled

1005
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: his hamstring um and the co coach talked about that

1006
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: today and that's why he wasn't able to stop to

1007
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: try to recover that muff pump as he pulled his

1008
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: hamster in the play. Yeah, so that, Yeah, that was

1009
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: one of the things that Yeah. I also um when

1010
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: when you when you think through that thick, I think

1011
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: what was the second second and two? Why not run

1012
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: the ball in that situation? Sometimes you're not question the

1013
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: bay calling, but why not run the ball in that situation?

1014
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: We need to run the ball more, Well, there's no

1015
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: doubt about it if you look at the breakdown and

1016
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: John and I were talking about that earlier Robin. You

1017
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: want more volume in terms of runs. There's no doubt

1018
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: about it, especially since they were averaging nearly nine yards

1019
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: per carry. But I think you also need to take

1020
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: into consideration they're down twenty one six, still a lot

1021
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: of time left in the game. I don't want to

1022
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: get back to the contest. Well, I mean not at

1023
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: the interception point. I'm just talking about why there was

1024
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: a disparity. I guess I'm talking about if you look

1025
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: at the game as a whole, the big reason they

1026
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: were playing catch up the entire game, and you just

1027
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: you can't afford to run the ball and milk, all

1028
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: of that clock off, you're gonna have to start throwing.

1029
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: That's just the nature of the beast. And one other

1030
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: thing to shake one. I don't care like I think

1031
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: that was the right thick we did. I don't care

1032
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: for me if we go back and do it again

1033
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: and we had like Tom Brady choice to pick for him,

1034
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: or even like a Peyton man who pick for them,

1035
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't take take one because that guy is

1036
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: is is a true leader. But you know so I

1037
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: don't want to know questions about what you should have

1038
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: winned and took a quarterback, and you know I wanted

1039
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: us to take shake sake once. What are you shown

1040
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: last night trying to come down holdel and stuff. He

1041
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: shows that he's actually, you know, a real leader. He's

1042
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 1: gonna be a good player for us, you know, coming

1043
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: coming features. Thank you, Robin, go ahead, go ahead. Um

1044
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: are you guys gonna gonna be Who's gonna be at

1045
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: the game? The game? Because I got some tickets to

1046
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: go to the game. Which game? I'm sorry, Falcons game? Um?

1047
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: I will be there with with Theatino and Fiageles and

1048
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: Lance will be back here in New York I would

1049
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: love to probably meet up with you guys and something

1050
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: I do. You be a favorite? Robin tweet me on Twitter.

1051
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: It can be tough sometimes because palling, I have to

1052
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: get there pretty early and and we're in the press

1053
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: box and everything. But maybe we can make something happen.

1054
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: Send me a tweet, all right, thank Robin, appreciate um.

1055
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: First of all, if you're guarantee me, then I'm drafting

1056
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: the next Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. I don't care.

1057
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: If it's Jim Brown and Barry Sanders combined, you're picking

1058
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: the damn quarterback. Okay, Now there's no guarantee you' getting

1059
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: one of those guys, which is why you have the

1060
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: conversation to begin with. We're not talking about Barry Sanders

1061
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: versus Joey Harrington here. I think that's a pretty easy

1062
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: decision for your job, correct, Obviously, if it's Barry Sanders

1063
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: are Joey Harrington, you're taking Barry Sanders. And Pat Murmer

1064
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 1: was asked today by the Way whether or not about

1065
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: they could if they could redo the Barkley pick, and

1066
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: he kind of looked incredulously, like, why would I not

1067
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: want that guy on my team? Which from a head

1068
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: coaches for effective. I can't blame them. Three Scott d C.

1069
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: Scotty do, Scotty do. Hey, Lance. I talked to you

1070
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: both three or four weeks ago, and John, you said

1071
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: it would be fair after the sixth game to assess

1072
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: whether this is a good team or a bad team. Well, Scott,

1073
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: and let me tell you they're not a good team. Yeah,

1074
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: I know. They don't. They don't rush the past or well,

1075
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: they don't rust. They don't rust the pastor well. They

1076
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: don't stop to run well. They don't defend the past well.

1077
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: They don't catch interceptions very well. They don't cover tight

1078
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: ends very well. They don't prevent scoring points very well.

1079
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: They don't tackle very well, they don't block very well.

1080
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: And those are all pretty important things. Scott, that's a

1081
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: big l They don't They don't run the ball very well.

1082
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: They don't throw deep very well, they don't catch punts

1083
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 1: very well, they don't kick fifty two yards field goals

1084
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: very well. And they seem to be kind of bad

1085
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: at drafting quarterbacks who can earn a jersey be four

1086
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: weeks sixteen. Well, well, st in fairness, this regime is

1087
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: drafted one quarterback Kyle Oletta, who's a rookie right now,

1088
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: So don't put the errors of the previous group on

1089
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: this group. And has he earned a jersey up? No,

1090
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: but it's week six. Who cares? I mean, he basically

1091
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: showed enough during training camp to make the roster. And

1092
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: his patch member said today in practice he's getting just

1093
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: as many reps as Alex Tanny is all right, Well,

1094
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: they see they seem to be good at taking stupid penalties.

1095
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: They seem to be good at not showing discipline, and uh,

1096
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: but that's a discipline team. No, no, you're not wrong.

1097
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: We're not disagreeing with anything, he said Scott. I mean,

1098
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: clearly we went over the laundrist of issues. Yeah, and

1099
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm not not just be clear, I'm not talking about blame.

1100
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: I'm talking about responsibility. Of those are different concepts. There's

1101
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: one man that has responsibility to make sure that the

1102
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: team is disciplined, and so far that hasn't happened. Sure, well, listen,

1103
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: players still have to go out in executing of course.

1104
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean you could be coaching and teaching well during

1105
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: practice and I've seen it a lot on all levels,

1106
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: and guys just don't carry it through. So you know,

1107
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: We've gotta differentiate between guys not doing their job in

1108
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: terms of coaching up the players versus players then not

1109
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: taking that information and showcasing on the field. Trust me,

1110
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: Patch Irmers telling us guys not to jump off side,

1111
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: they might jump off side anyway. Yeah, I mean Jason

1112
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: Peters got called for a penalty because of what Olivier

1113
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: Vernon did. Jason Peters is a Pro Bowl left tank.

1114
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame is we're gonna blame Doug Peterson

1115
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: and his coaching staff for not doing a good job

1116
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: coaching talented players make mistakes, it happens. But disciplines a

1117
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: different concepts. Well, but but but when you but when

1118
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: you stay disciplined. But but see to me, Scott, the

1119
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: lack of discipline is when old Dell Beckham a few

1120
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: years ago goes after Josh Norman and could have very

1121
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: well hurt him. That's the lack of discipline. B W

1122
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: web last week getting that arguing with the official, that's

1123
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: the lack of discipline. Scott. I disagree with you. If

1124
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna make the argument that going off sides and

1125
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: a false start is the lack of discipal, It's not

1126
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: good football and hurts your team. But that doesn't mean

1127
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: that you're a bad football player. That's a strong man

1128
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: that you created. I didn't say, how about Ogre giving

1129
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: a forearm to a guy that's on the ground. Yeah,

1130
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: that's a bad player, that's what That's what we're talking about,

1131
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: meaning unnecessary maneuvers by players that lead to penalties and

1132
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,959
Speaker 1: are uncalled for. That's what we were just talking about

1133
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: with Norman and Beckham and b w At. I got

1134
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: a suggestion. It's just just an interesting contrast. And Week one,

1135
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots were up by two touchdowns on

1136
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, the punt returner must the punt led

1137
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: to a touchdown close the gap from fourteen to seven points.

1138
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: On Monday morning, that that punt returner was not on

1139
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: the team. Now we've had some muffs and I'm not

1140
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: saying Odell Beckham can be cut, but but but there's

1141
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: no there appears to be. Let's put it this way.

1142
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: The coach forfeited an opportunity. I was like to talk

1143
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: about opportunities. You forfeit an opportunity to show the rest

1144
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: of the team that there are consequences to the lack

1145
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 1: of st hold On one second, the guy who muffed

1146
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: the punt before Odell Beckham Jr. Is he still on

1147
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: the roster like when you train it. When you train

1148
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: it's like when you train a dog. There have to

1149
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: be immediate consequence three weeks later because he got injured.

1150
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: Three weeks later because he got injured is not teaching discipline.

1151
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: Did did Hunter Sharp make the roster after the muffunts

1152
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: training camp? I didn't think so, thank you. That's that's

1153
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: the question. Is man roster better than two other teams

1154
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: in the league? No? Yeah, well we just went over

1155
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: the fact that they've revamped in entire roster that went

1156
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: three and thirteen. You want gratification, you know. My Also

1157
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: my response to that, I know, we just let go

1158
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: of Scott. And this is where I think people need

1159
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: to gain perspective, And I understand they want accountability. If

1160
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: you take your job at work and you make a mistake,

1161
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 1: should your boss get rid of you the very next second?

1162
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: Should you be fired immediately? You know what I'm saying.

1163
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: It's like we live in this world where football players

1164
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: and athletes are held to standards that are completely different

1165
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: than the average individual. I get it. They're paid a

1166
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: lot of money and they're expected to execute. John, I

1167
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: get that, but we can't stop start thinking about how

1168
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: the fact that all of these guys are perfect individuals

1169
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: and they never make mistakes. It's like it's like all

1170
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: the Yankee fans and look might stand the gene Carlos standing.

1171
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 1: Part of me has his issues, but all these fans

1172
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 1: that say, oh, we got to train them. He struck

1173
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: out in the ninth that he against the Red Sox.

1174
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: So the pound of six and two games din't matter.

1175
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: Or Carlos Beltron should have gone and cut because he

1176
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: didn't swing the Cardinals in the Mets. I mean, come on,

1177
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean even I'll admit Michael Jordan missed

1178
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: a shot or too. It hurts me to say that,

1179
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: but there you got me to admit it. John. Okay,

1180
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: that's your highlight for today's show. All right, we'll leave

1181
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: it at that. But of course you never missed any

1182
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: important show. Well that's the big difference. See executing always

1183
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: on the biggest stage all the time. We'll have a

1184
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: separate show coming up a little bit later on. I

1185
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: hate for that one. Yes, all right, let's go to

1186
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm not doing the open Charlie. What's going on? Goodness,

1187
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: that's a gift back to me. Were already over the tomment. Hey,

1188
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: we should always be over time to Charlie. Go ahead,

1189
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: and hey a Lance, guess who's playing the open is

1190
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: Russ So if you're with well listen, I will tell

1191
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: any host that's next to me, because when I'm in

1192
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: that chair, you know you will never hit it, because

1193
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: any host that attempts to reach over me to get

1194
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: to the instant replay machine, they'll be lucky if they've

1195
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: got an arm moving forward. But go ahead, we we

1196
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: are waiting for your insight on this program. Yes, all right.

1197
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: You know they just had a press conference with Shermer,

1198
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: and I was wondering, did anybody ask him if he's

1199
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: willing to give up the play calling and give it

1200
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: to Mike Schuler? Maybe that might help? Why why do

1201
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: you think that would help? Charlie? All right, this is

1202
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: what I think. When we were down there, Charlie, hold on, Charlie, Charlie,

1203
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: they over two hundred yards of offense in the first half.

1204
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: Two hundred yards of offense. What else do you want?

1205
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: He Sometimes you need different eyes looking at things, and

1206
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: like when we were on the third, you know, three

1207
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: yard line, after Eli got the roughing passer penalty and

1208
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: we gave the ball to Barkley and he got one yard.

1209
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: Why not at that point, bring you your fullback, bring

1210
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: in a jumble lineman, and why don't we just run

1211
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: in the past. You feel like sequel and Barkley runs

1212
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: better out of the spread than he does out of

1213
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,479
Speaker 1: the goal line package. Right, you have no tight ends?

1214
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: Why are you bringing in your jump package. Everybody's hurt.

1215
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: We mean everybody's hurt. If you mean like Bully, you

1216
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: bring him in. You have a full back, and you

1217
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: run Barkley. Spread the field and run Barkley if you want.

1218
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: Don't jam everybody up and create traffic for the most dynamic,

1219
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: elusive player on your roster. But at that point, what

1220
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: you can do if you see the ALI seasons so

1221
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: jammed up, you know that's when the tight ends usually

1222
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: let you want to run the ball. Though, Charlie, what's

1223
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: the strength of the Eagles defense? Tell me what's the strength? No, no, no, no, no, no,

1224
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: it is not the strength of their defense. Is they're

1225
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: rushing defense? The second best Barkley got a hundred thirty yards.

1226
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: If they're so great because they were playing the past Charlie,

1227
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: But when you're in the red zone at the three

1228
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: yard line, guess what you're playing the run. You want

1229
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: to get back to giant football, then you better start

1230
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: running the ball, don't They could have got an identity

1231
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: and just say, man, we're gonna run this ball in.

1232
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,959
Speaker 1: So that's what I what I would do if I

1233
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: was people, Charlie, I want to give up the play calling.

1234
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: Give it to Mike Schule. Do you see what he

1235
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: could do? Do you realize how bad the Giants run

1236
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: game was last week against Carolina? They had twelve carries

1237
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: that went for two yards or less and ten carries

1238
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,959
Speaker 1: that went for one yard or less. The yard yard

1239
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: less and we got a yard? You mean we can't

1240
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: get two yards? No, because guess what against Carolina? Ten

1241
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: of your fifteen rushes went for one yard or less.

1242
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 1: So no, you couldn't get too yards. Was Carolina? That's

1243
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: not this, I would argue, Charlie. I would argue, looking

1244
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: at the same play calling all the time, you've got

1245
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: to change it up and you've got to mass protect.

1246
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking. Probably they let him call the

1247
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: plays and he'll have better ideas on what to do

1248
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: in critical in mind. Listen to think that Schula and

1249
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: Sherman don't consult though during the course of the game

1250
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: and during the week, Charlie, I think it's misleading. They

1251
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: don't operate on separate islands though. Well. But but here's

1252
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: the thing, Listen, I understand the roster was very different

1253
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: and people were calling for Ben mcindo last year to

1254
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: give her the play calling, and he did, and he

1255
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: gave it up to Mike Sullivan and Mike Sullivan in

1256
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: that first game against the Denver Broncos, right, the Giants

1257
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: wowed everybody. They ran the football with Orleans dark when

1258
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: they won that game. After that, say, didn't really think

1259
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: that huge of a difference. And no, no disrespect to

1260
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: Mike Sullivan. Listen, they had the lack of personnel. There's

1261
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: only so much creativity you could show. And keep in mind,

1262
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: we had Brad Children's on this program. When Pat Shermer

1263
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: was hired, Paul Latino and I spoke to him, Charlie,

1264
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: and we wanted to get his take on because Sherman's

1265
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: first year in Cleveland, he did what you are talking about.

1266
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: He was the head coach in the o C. So

1267
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: he brought in children's his first offseason. But children, even

1268
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: though he had the title of O C, was still

1269
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: not calling the plays because Shermer felt comfortable doing both.

1270
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: He just had somebody like Mike Schula consulting him. So

1271
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: now you're expecting him to shy completely away from what

1272
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: he's been doing his entire career. In Charlie, one of

1273
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: the things you said you want him to max protect more. Right, Okay,

1274
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: how about this play first and ten on your own

1275
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: nine yard line. The Giants are in a play action pass.

1276
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: They had seven players left into block on the play

1277
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: action pass to block four guys. Eli got sacked at

1278
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: the one yard line for an eight yard loss that

1279
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: they had in mass protect. It was it was either

1280
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: back in a tight end or two tight ends. I

1281
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly who it was exactly. Why don't you

1282
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: bring in a jumble lineman at that point? We we

1283
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: we hold on a second. We just went through three

1284
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: and four weeks where all I heard was people complaining

1285
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: how the Giants don't throw down the field. Now you

1286
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: want them to have eight offensive linemen in the game.

1287
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: Not goodbye, thank you for the cal I gotta go, Charlie,

1288
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: Come on, man, Charlie, reasonally have Spencer Polly playing tight

1289
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: end full time for you? Did? He just said that,

1290
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: Come on, you were without not only two of, well

1291
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: one of your best blocking tight ends. But I would

1292
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: argue your two best receiving tight ends in this game

1293
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: your two best tight ends. Yeah, period. I mean that's

1294
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: a better way to put it. Absolutely, So you know

1295
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: you gotta take down into consideration, Charlie. You didn't have

1296
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: really all of your great personnel groupings at your disposal now,

1297
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: and it's hard to ground and pound the football when

1298
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: your defense gives up a touchdown every time the other

1299
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: team has the ball. Well, and that's the thing we

1300
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: we talked about how they were down twenty one to

1301
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: six what seemed like a blink of an eye. So

1302
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, Charlie, you want to play the jumbo package game.

1303
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: They just didn't have the luxury to do that. I mean,

1304
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: you've got to make plays down the field and try

1305
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: to get back into this game, and you play into

1306
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: the eagle strength. By doing that, you deal with Nigel Bradham,

1307
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox, all those guys who know how to plug

1308
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: those holes. Yeah, and Barkley broke some big ones, but

1309
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: he had a bunch of runs for one in zero

1310
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: yards too. He did. Yeah. I mean, if it wasn't

1311
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: for the forty yard run in the fifty five yard run,

1312
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: his numbers in terms of yardage per carry not as

1313
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: glowing as they are, which was nearly nine yards per carry.

1314
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, those two big runs made a huge difference.

1315
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: I'll give you the perfect example against the Panthers John

1316
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: he had his first five carries on Sunday was for

1317
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: negative four yards. Then all of a sudden he breaks

1318
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: through for a six yard run, a twenty yard run. Now,

1319
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, things start to open

1320
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: up a little bit prior to that. I don't want

1321
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: to getting much of anything. I'm gonna keep it simple

1322
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: for you. Against the Panthers, in the first half of

1323
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: that game, he had a twenty yard run. In the

1324
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: second half of that game, he had a thirty yard run.

1325
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: He finished with fifteen carries for forty eight yards. That

1326
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: means done us. The thirteen carries you ran from minus

1327
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: two yards. Yea. So he needs that one big play

1328
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: to make the numbers look respectable. And I'm not saying

1329
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: you don't run the ball. It's important And could they

1330
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: have run it a couple more times in the first

1331
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: half shore, but he did finish the game with twenty

1332
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: two touches called nine passes. Yeah, I don't think it

1333
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: was a lack of touches. That guy gave you two

1334
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: hundred twenty nine total yards at that point. What do

1335
01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: you need You're gonna say, well, we need three d

1336
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean, if you got enough production. If you take

1337
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: that forty six yard run off the books in the

1338
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: first half, he was eight rushes for twenty five yards.

1339
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: That's not a consistent you know, four or five yards

1340
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: per carry. Again, he's more that boom or bus guy. Anyway,

1341
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: all right, final call the show. We're getting wrestlers here, Len,

1342
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: you can call it later. You have a whole week

1343
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: next week, so I mean, I have you to keep

1344
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: it to one or two points here that you think

1345
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: are most important. All right, all right. The best thing

1346
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: that happened to me in the last twenty four hours

1347
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: as I got home safely, very good game. The game

1348
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: was not part of that. Listen, kudos to books of

1349
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: you John. About a half hour ago it made mention

1350
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: of the fact that it's not a very good roster,

1351
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: and it's I mean it's not We've got a lot

1352
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: of guys on this roster who really shouldn't be in

1353
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, it's just it's just where we

1354
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: are at this particular point. It's also a florid roster. John, Well,

1355
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: when here's the thing. When when when when you get

1356
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: to labor Day weekend and you replace after you make

1357
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: your final cuts, you replaced more than ten percent of

1358
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: your raw stir you got problems. Yeah, and when you

1359
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: replace them, I mean there's no Hall of Famers in

1360
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: that group, John, No, there's a reason these teams, teams,

1361
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: you never get it a Hall of Famer after cutdown tape. So,

1362
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's and it's and and it's flawed. Also,

1363
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean we got a we got a guard plane center,

1364
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: we got a corner plane safety um transition. Yeah. And

1365
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: and look it's it's yesterday. To me, it was a

1366
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: bad team playing badly. And that that's the most frustrating part.

1367
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I can deal with the roster. And you

1368
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: know the two years, you know, looking forward two years,

1369
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: three years, we need two drafts, et cetera. You know,

1370
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: we need to replace the quarterback in the future. I mean,

1371
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: I I can, I can deal with all that, but geez,

1372
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: that that was not a good performance of some of

1373
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: who we think of our our better guys or our

1374
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: core play. The Giants could have actually beat the Eagles

1375
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: on Thursday Night football, but in order to do it,

1376
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: they had to play well. They played nowhere close to

1377
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: well in that game on either side of the football.

1378
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: As John you spoke about it earlier and we the

1379
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: biggest mismatch was the Eagles defensive line against our offensive line,

1380
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: particularly with regard to the past, right, I mean, it

1381
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: was you were you were absolutely right. I mean, it

1382
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: was just I mean, it was no contest. I mean,

1383
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: if you don't like Eli's performance over the last couple

1384
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: of weeks, I think he would be, you know, should

1385
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: should be replaced. You gotta feel bad for the guy

1386
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: after last night. I mean, that was that was just

1387
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous for every quarterback towards one of two bad passes.

1388
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not defending Eli, I'm just saying, I mean,

1389
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: that was that was the mismatch of the century. The

1390
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: Eagles are just overwhelmingly better than we are right now.

1391
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not much use we can say about

1392
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: you know about it, but you know, okay, we got

1393
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: a bad roster, but making the kinds of mistakes that

1394
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: they were making. Um, playing badly, you know, and then

1395
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: we get angry at the coach, and we get angry

1396
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: at Eli, and we get because the standard line is, well,

1397
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: we gotta play better. We gotta go back to the

1398
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: drawing board. We gotta play better. That's exactly right. I mean,

1399
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: they gotta play better. They can't play like this through

1400
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: the they can if they can't play them, they gotta

1401
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: play better. It's a I know it's a cliche, but

1402
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: it's so true. I mean it was just it was, uh,

1403
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,879
Speaker 1: you know, just just just a bad performance. Mind boggling

1404
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: and lance you you refer to it earlier. This this

1405
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: can be my last point and then we'll try to

1406
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: end optimistically. But the third down conversion rate on our part,

1407
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's abysmal. You can't. Week six

1408
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: of the NFL teams are starting to get rolling. You

1409
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: know how we said, oh, you know, preseason, the starters

1410
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: don't play. You gotta wait a game three or four.

1411
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: They really get rolling. I mean t was a starting

1412
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: to saw the Eagles, Yes, I mean they're really starting

1413
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: to get on a roll. This is a Super Bowl

1414
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: champion team. Hey, so we did it. But a super

1415
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: Bowl champion team, I mean, we're and we're kind of

1416
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: stuck in the mud that that third down that that's

1417
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: it's well, but but it's absolutely hard to be you

1418
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: know what it's not. It's not just third down though,

1419
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,839
Speaker 1: Lens see, the third down is a product of first

1420
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: and second down. So it's an entire offensive productivity issue

1421
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: because you're not in third and fifteen or third and sixteen,

1422
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: Len if you take care of business on first and

1423
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: second down. And by the way, and excellent and and

1424
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: and you've heard me say this before land to you especially,

1425
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: I think I said it to you a couple of

1426
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 1: times when John wasn't on with you. But you know,

1427
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: to me, second down nobody pays much attention to second down.

1428
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we gotta gain you on a

1429
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: John first down, you know, and later on third down,

1430
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: we got to convert the second down. Heading into this game,

1431
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: we have to play better. I've lent I'm with you,

1432
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: thanks for the app Heading into this game. You've read

1433
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: my game preview story last week, I said passing on

1434
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: first and second down in this game were k because

1435
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 1: the Eagles first down and run defense overall was fantastic.

1436
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: Now they broke some big ones with Barkley, and it

1437
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: kind of bucked the trend there because I think the

1438
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: Eagles decided that we're not gonna get beat over the

1439
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: top by these guys, and they adjusted how they played. Um,

1440
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to throw the ball on first

1441
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: and second down because again the run stopping. But also

1442
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: the Eagles have the third best the fourth best third

1443
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: down defense in the league. They're just really good at it. Okay,

1444
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: they're good at it. And when you go in and

1445
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: your eight first downs in the first half or of

1446
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: seven fifteen, five, fifteen, fifteen, three, ten and eight, it's

1447
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: not gonna work. It's not going to work. I mean,

1448
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: I have the same exact numbers that you just tallied up.

1449
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: You just you can't have a successful rate. I don't

1450
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: care how talented your offenses. I don't care if you

1451
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: have it. Adell, Beckham, Barkley, Shepherd. I mean, listen, names.

1452
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: You get tired of hearing names when the execution doesn't

1453
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: match the names. So we're past just listing names on paper.

1454
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: It's all about whether or not that actually translates to productivity.

1455
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: But there is no offense in the National Football League

1456
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: that you can show me that would have a great

1457
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: successful rate of putting together long drives cap by touchdowns.

1458
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: When the third down numbers in terms of down and distance,

1459
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: John is what you just gave a laundry list of

1460
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: three third and fifteens of your eight opportunities in the

1461
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: first half. That means the penalties, the sacks on first

1462
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: and second down, runs for loss, runs for losses if

1463
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: you want to add that mixcuse between the quarterback and

1464
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver are just giving them no chance to overcome

1465
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: the issues on first and second down. On third down

1466
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 1: because you're digging yourself in such a big hole. And

1467
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: that has been a common theme just about every single

1468
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: one of these contests. And I mean I put together

1469
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: a seasonal chart where I look at every single third down.

1470
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: I mean, just to give you a glimpse. So week

1471
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: one against the Jaguars, four of thirteen on third down.

1472
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: Eight of the thirteen downs John were for seven yards

1473
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: or more, including they had a third and sixteen had

1474
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: another third and sixteen had a third, and twenty had

1475
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: a third and twenty three. Okay, that was Week one.

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Speaker 1: Numbers got a little bit better against the Cowboys. They

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Speaker 1: were eight of seventeen, but they still face nine third

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Speaker 1: downs for seven yards and more. That's more than half

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Speaker 1: of your third downs. It's not sustainable. And we come

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Speaker 1: back to the Panthers, oh for seven five downs of

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Speaker 1: the seven for eight yards and more including a third

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Speaker 1: and seventeen And then we just read you the numbers.

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Speaker 1: So four of the six games thus far this season

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Speaker 1: third downs an impossible task to take on. Can't win

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Speaker 1: football games that way. Well, on the bright side, there's

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Speaker 1: a weekend of football ahead of us and we don't

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Speaker 1: have to work at least not here, so we're gonna

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Speaker 1: enjoy watching some football. UM I hope you do as well,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be back next week on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: We can start trying to um get past the emotion

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Speaker 1: of a very terrible loss and trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to fix some things around here. So Fourlance Medal.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmell and for Dave Dominic Bard producer. We

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Speaker 1: will see on Monday. Everybody. Enjoy your football weekend and

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Speaker 1: we'll see you on Monday. Adios.