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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barr. Lazar Lazar, well, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 1: He joined us always buying our kick David match noch

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Speaker 1: here is Evan Lazar and Alex barrs. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: So my other take is with the fourteenth kick, Yes,

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Speaker 1: fanness mock drafts can go f right. That was a

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Speaker 1: Matt that that would have been bad. But we were

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Speaker 1: to say this anyway, so I'll I'll say we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do an entire show drama free, no Mac Jones, Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick rift, no drama, No Patriots Palace, palace coup. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's gonna be drama between me and you.

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Speaker 1: No Patriots Mac Jones drama. And I mentioned this on

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Speaker 1: PU already, but last week and on Tuesday, when all

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Speaker 1: this stuff was coming out, we did this show, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm almost immediately on Tuesday, Alex, after the pro Football

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Speaker 1: Talk report came out, and I have to admit I've

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Speaker 1: been agitated. I've been at borderline losing my mind over

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Speaker 1: this show, and we're not going to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: If you want to hear that drama nonsense, then you

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Speaker 1: can go listen to your station because I'm sure they're

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Speaker 1: talking about it for two hours, right, So there you go.

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Speaker 1: We are not going to talk about it here today.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into the draft. There's a ton

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Speaker 1: of news going on about the Patriots and the draft

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Speaker 1: and who they're meeting with, who they're not meeting with,

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Speaker 1: It's lying season, right It's smoke screen season right now.

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Speaker 1: with some breaking news we can? I think I know

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Speaker 1: where you're going with this. Yes, yes, So Andrew Callahan

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Speaker 1: Very well deserved. Yes, so we did very well deserved. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: going into the Patriots Hall of Fame as a contributor,

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Speaker 1: which is the category that mister Kraft just puts you

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Speaker 1: And Fred and Paul today are we're at the Patriots

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Committee meeting during the show during PU

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Speaker 1: where they discussed the finalist that they're going to put

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Speaker 1: So if we have some time at the end, we

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Speaker 1: a really cool honor for Dante. Scarnekia is so well

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Speaker 1: So that's where we're trying to build back up to.

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Speaker 1: And I talk about all these visits and draft rumors

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry in the backfield mattered for the tight ends.

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Speaker 1: It did, But the problem is you get to the

429
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 1: end of the season Derreck Henry's carried the ball three

430
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty times and can't go anymore. You need, right,

431
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 1: you need something to build off it. So all that

432
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Speaker 1: being said, yes, there they or what was it again,

433
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Speaker 1: interested or intrigued by Bejean. Yeah, there's no way they

434
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Speaker 1: get to the table. They say, all right, we're controble

435
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 1: taking a running back with his pick, and Bill O'Brien

436
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: doesn't put his foot down and say it's just gotta

437
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: be Jamir Gibbs, right, Like, go back and look at

438
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Speaker 1: what Jamir Gibbs said about Bill O'Brien last year. With

439
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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brian said about Jamir Gibbs last year. He was

440
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Speaker 1: Alabama's entire offense. He led them in rushing. He also

441
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: led them in receiving. Yeah, they had receivers. Go to

442
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Speaker 1: the draft. Obviously they lost James and Williams, John Machi

443
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: slid Bolden a couple of guys transferred out. The pipeline

444
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: essentially ran dry at wide receiver for Alabama. Last year,

445
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: you had Jacorey Brooks, who would never really play it.

446
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: I think it was a true sophomore. You had Jermaine

447
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: Burton who transferred in from Georgia. He was new to

448
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: the system. Like they didn't have that five star guy

449
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: that we're so used waddle, right, Jerry Judy. Yeah, Well

450
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: it was Jamir Gibbs, by the way. It was also

451
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Speaker 1: he did all of that in his first year with

452
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Speaker 1: the program. He transferred in from Georgia Tech, which he

453
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: had a lot of success at Georgia Tech, behind not

454
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Speaker 1: nearly the offensive line he out of Alabama. I see

455
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Speaker 1: the report, and I don't think Bijean at fourteen. What

456
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Speaker 1: this report tells me is Jamir Gibbs at some point

457
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Speaker 1: in the forties, even if it's trading up, yeah, is

458
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Speaker 1: a very real possibility. Which, by the way, as I

459
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: brought up back in January and you yelled at me

460
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: being ridiculous, it has been this has always been a possibility. Okay,

461
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Speaker 1: So the Patriots, I'm glad we went this way because

462
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Speaker 1: we've done enough about Bijan yeah, the Patriots is very

463
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Speaker 1: good though. Yeah, he's a phenomenal player. The Patriots being

464
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Speaker 1: interested in Jamir Gibbs at the top of the second

465
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Speaker 1: round by trading up is something that I can stomach.

466
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Speaker 1: It's something I can get on board with. I don't

467
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Speaker 1: love it still because of all the analytical reasons why

468
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Speaker 1: I hate running backs, but I like it more for

469
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Speaker 1: two reasons. One, that tells me that with the first

470
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Speaker 1: pick in the draft, they're picking something else, right, it's

471
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Speaker 1: either a receiver, a corner, a tackle, something else that

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Speaker 1: they view as an ass a higher priced asset than

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Speaker 1: a running back. So if you're telling me that they're

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Speaker 1: stop it, they're telling me that my first two rounds

475
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Speaker 1: of the draft is Broderick Jones and Jamir Gibbs. I'm

476
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Speaker 1: not going to kill them for that draft. That's a

477
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: fine top. It's a lot of talent. It's a lot

478
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Speaker 1: of talent. We'll figure it out later. Fine. The other

479
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Speaker 1: reason why I don't mind Jamir Gibbs in the second

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Speaker 1: what if they trade down to get to pick to

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Speaker 1: take Gibbs, Like stay in the first but move down.

482
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Speaker 1: It's like, I I here, let me put you this way.

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Speaker 1: I cannot have a running back be my first pick

484
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Speaker 1: in the draft. Okay, he has to be the second pick,

485
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Speaker 1: has to be the second pick. The first pick in

486
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Speaker 1: the draft needs to be a premium player at a

487
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: premium position. Tackle, corner receiver, tackle corner receiver. Hit one

488
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Speaker 1: of those positions in the first round. And then if

489
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Speaker 1: you got it, because you're obsessed with running backs. If

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Speaker 1: you got get your running back, then get your running

491
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Speaker 1: back in the second round. If it's Jamir Gibbs, them

492
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Speaker 1: all for it for the second reason, which is that

493
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: now you got some lightning to your thunder right. The

494
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Speaker 1: Remandre Stevenson and Jamir Gibbs fit together. Bijean Robinson and

495
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Remandre Stevenson are redundant skill sets. Yeah, Jamir Gibbs is

496
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Speaker 1: a rocket ship. Okay. When he puts his foot in

497
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: the ground, that guy goes from zero to sixty like

498
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Speaker 1: a frickin ferrari. Okay, And that I'm cool with because

499
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Speaker 1: I love speed. Speed's cool. The comps are eric like

500
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Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara is the big comp every I don't like

501
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara as a comp. Who do you like? I

502
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't like that one because to me,

503
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Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara. A prime part of Alvin Kamara's game is

504
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: his lower body in center of gravity, right, Like the

505
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Speaker 1: fact that he can just bounce off of people. You know,

506
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Speaker 1: And I Jamir Gibbs is an athlete, like that guy's

507
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: a track star. That's that's the guy you get in

508
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: the field. You're not wrong about all that. But he's

509
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Speaker 1: got some drive. I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm just

510
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: saying that Alvin Kamara's contact balance and ability to just

511
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: shake off tacklers is still his book. He's not like

512
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Speaker 1: I feel like what you're describing is essentially a faster

513
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: version of James White, And I don't think that fits because,

514
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: like he's he's a very good traditional running back, like

515
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: like single back between the tackles. But that's why I

516
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Speaker 1: like the Jamir Gibbs and Stevenson thing. Is a Obviously,

517
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Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs is a true factor in the passing game.

518
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Speaker 1: And I Ramandre is a good receiver, but Jamir Gibbs

519
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: is a is a really good receiver, and he can

520
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: move around in the formation and do some difference. They

521
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: used him as a slot receiver last year when it

522
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: was clear none of their receivers were working. They started

523
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: lining him up in the slide and even out wide

524
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Speaker 1: a couple of times more and more is the season one.

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00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: There's just a clear a clear role for both guys

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Speaker 1: to coexist in the same backfield, where Remandre is like

527
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: your first and second down back and Jamir Gibbs is

528
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: more of your spread pass game back. I think even

529
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Speaker 1: beyond that, and we don't really know what would have

530
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: happened last year of time Montgomery stayed healthy, right, but

531
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Speaker 1: what it looked like in the preseason was they weren't

532
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: going to have a first down back and passing down back.

533
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Speaker 1: It was gonna be just guys alternating drives from mondor

534
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Speaker 1: Stevenson would get a drive time Montgomery would get a drive.

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Speaker 1: I actually like that because it's less predictable, Right, what

536
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: are you what you're gonna do? But you need well

537
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Speaker 1: rounded backs to make that happen. And in the modern

538
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: game where everything's so specialized, they are less and less

539
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Speaker 1: of these well rounded backs coming into the league. If

540
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: you have Gibbs and Stevenson, you can totally go back to,

541
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: all right, this is gonna be a Remond Ray drive

542
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: and whatever situation you're in, whether it's third and one,

543
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: whether it's third and fifteen remandras on the field and

544
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: anything can happen with him on the field, and then

545
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: you could do the exact same thing with Jamir Gibs

546
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: on the next drive. So the other thing that I

547
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: think from a stylistic perspective that that would be be

548
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: good is that I don't necessarily need Jamir Gibbs to

549
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: have thirty touches for Jamir Gibbs to have an impact

550
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: on the game. Certainly not. So I think that's a

551
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: big part of it as well, is that Jamir Gibbs,

552
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: because of his speed and his big playability, ten touches

553
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: for Jamir Gibbs could hit a hundred yards like that, right,

554
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: So that that's the difference. I think too about it

555
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: is that Bijean's are a volume back that you're going

556
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: to feed the rock to, you know, Zeke Elliot's style right,

557
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: a hundred times in a game if you can, whereas

558
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs is so fast and explosive and just can

559
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: hit home runs from anywhere on the field that that

560
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: can be ten to fifteen touches a game and you're

561
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: still maximizing him. I also think, and you might hate this,

562
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: but probably we were talking about before, like could your

563
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: vermondre and Bijon on the field at the same time

564
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: to justify that pick? And yeah, you really couldn't, right,

565
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: I do think, I don't know, you could do it

566
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: a lot. But with Bill O'Brien, have both of them,

567
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: you can put both of them on the field and

568
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: get creative with that. There's political rabbit hole. But the

569
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: information tells us. The data tells us, as I know

570
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: you love to hear, the data tells us that nothing

571
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: says football like math. Running Back targets are naturally inefficient

572
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: because running backs and maybe Jamir Gibbs is an exception

573
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Speaker 1: because he can win down the field. Maybe, but running

574
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: backs by nature are catching short passes, right, So running

575
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: backs by nature are being targeted shorter, you know, distances

576
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: down the field versus receivers versus tight ends. So every

577
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: but that that's a stupid number to use because every

578
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: running backs used differently, Like how much is that running back?

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Speaker 1: Because of my point being is like James White, for example,

580
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: who we all agree is an elite pass game back.

581
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Go look at what James White's like career guards per catches.

582
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: It's not going to be very high. You know, mondre

583
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: Stevenson last year caught sixty balls for what six hundred

584
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: yards maybe or something like that. So you're you're you're

585
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: working off of the premise of basically, now we're really

586
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: talking about like digging and dunking and all that kind

587
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: of stuff, not like what people used to say about

588
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: the Brady years when they were as a fallacy. Like

589
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: now we're really talking that's your offense. How much of that, though,

590
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: is dragged down by bad teams just checking down running

591
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: backs constantly, Like how much of that? But that's how

592
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: much the only guy that's getting open is the guy

593
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: that's running a five yard route and then you're going

594
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: to be And how much of that is dragged down

595
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: by teams like the Niners designing these elaborate screens off

596
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 1: play action where they're throwing the ball two or three

597
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: yards in the backfield, but the plays designed to pick

598
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: up fifteen feet? But what else are you going to do?

599
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: Like that's that those are the types of players you'd

600
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: be living on. Are misdirection screens, swings out of the

601
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: flats like the occasional wheel route, are putting the running

602
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: back in the seam, like you're not talking about a

603
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: running back. Running back just inherently the running back route

604
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: tree is significantly different than a receiver. So you're making

605
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: my point. So that's why Gibbs makes more sense because

606
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's actually, even though he's a running back,

607
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: has run a wide receiver route tree. And but my

608
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: point is, yeah, just drafted River, which is fair like,

609
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: but if you're trying why are we trying to turn

610
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: or running back into a receiver when you can just

611
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: have a receive. I agree with you because Urban Meyer

612
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: tried to do this with Travis et Zach and Meyer

613
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: tried to do it. I'm not interested. But the point being, Evan,

614
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: we're having this conversation in the context of the report

615
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: from Jeff Howe. Yes that they're interested in these blue

616
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: chip running backs. If they're going to do that, yeah, well,

617
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs is kind of a hybrid running back wide receiver.

618
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Speaker 1: And I can see I already said the appeal for

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00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: them that if you put him in ramondre Stevenson in

620
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: the huddle, yeah, what personnel is the defense going to

621
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: match with? And if you can line give him up

622
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: in the slot and get him one on one with

623
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Speaker 1: a linebacker. He is going to win that matchup at

624
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: a significantly higher rate than the average running back. The

625
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: math is considering fair. But here's my rebuttal to that,

626
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: is that thinking about it from that perspective of if

627
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: we put twenty one personnel on the field, I mean,

628
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: like two running back, twenty one pony, whatever you want

629
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: to call it, if you put it Stevenson and Gibbs.

630
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 1: If you put Stevenson and Gibbs on the field together,

631
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: think about the mismatches the defense, like, how's the defense

632
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: like line up? How what personnel are they in? Like,

633
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: to me, that is smoking mirrors, right. You're trying to

634
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: find matchups, you're trying to play You're trying to change

635
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: the rules of the game right right by by manipulating

636
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: formations and personnel groupings and things like that. Where I

637
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: am much more interested in just getting better players than

638
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: the other freaking team, right, Like, why can't we just

639
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: do that? It feels like they're I'm trying to think

640
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: of a less extreme way to phrases, but I really

641
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: can't remember. Last year we did the whole positional defense thing.

642
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: There was that tweet from Jonathan Jones, don't go down

643
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: this road, No, they sign, just draft a receiver you want.

644
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: If you want somebody to run receiver routes, then just

645
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: draft a fever. If you're trying to do what if

646
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: this is them overcorrecting to the fact that they've If

647
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to do it, if you're trying to do

648
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: it this way, to either overcorrect from that or to

649
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: because maybe one team would be dumb enough to run

650
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: a linebacker out there once a game on Jamir Gibbs

651
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: instead of a safety or a corner, then you're you're

652
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: already just overthinking it. You're overthinking it. They signed Mike Gasicki,

653
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: who's kind of one of these hybrid physitional players, and

654
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm worried about has spoke at length. I'm

655
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: worried about Mike gasick I don't want to nightmare you

656
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: don't know how to cover up. I don't want to

657
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: hear about, Oh, well, are they gonna match us in

658
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: nickel or are they gonna match us in base? Are

659
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: they gonna match us in this and they gonna matche?

660
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: How about like you know, oh, that guy's just unfreakin stoppable.

661
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: Regardless of how many those players don't come along very

662
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: often I don't think what if both What if they're

663
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: gonna and we're gonna get into this guy in a

664
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: little bit. What if the plan is, Okay, Zay Flowers

665
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: is your guy. You draft Zay Flowers, that's the guy

666
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: that's uncoverable. And then on top of that, you gotta

667
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: worry about what position is Mike Kasiki, What position is

668
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs. I'm just gonna humor myself here and send

669
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: you over the edge. What position is Zach Coots? What

670
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: position is Jack Coletto? Right? Oh, don't know, don't don't

671
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: throw Jack Coletto. That's right, Absolutely throw Jack. I'm not

672
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: saying in the top one hundred or even the top

673
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: one fifty. So I told you, I told you my

674
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: two rules. My rule number one. Yeah, it has to be.

675
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: It has to be is that is that has he

676
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: does it. He always has rules. That's what he always said.

677
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: He says, I always have one rule. Yeah, rule number one.

678
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: It has to be at least the second pick in

679
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: the draft, the first pick the Patriots make in the

680
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three draft cannot be a running So I

681
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: just said, Zay Flowers, and then you start doing all

682
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: the position with stuff okay, fine. Rule number two, Yeah,

683
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: Rule number two is that that running back has to

684
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: have a complimentary skill set, to reminder Stevenson Gibbs check

685
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: and not be Jean Robinson, not the kid from UCLA,

686
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: Chardonnay or whatever the his name is. We are talking

687
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: about comparable skill set. He's called Chardonnay. Yeah, what's his name?

688
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: Charbonnat Charonne is not Wine? Yeah, well close enough, No,

689
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: no it's not. He's not Wine. I actually his film

690
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: is pretty decent. But he's not a bad player. Yeah,

691
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: but he's not he I wouldn't call hi blue chip.

692
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: These are the two blue chip guys. And all right,

693
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: so not the first pick. Literally, the only way that

694
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: I come out of this not wanting to pull my

695
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: hair out is if it's Jamir Gibbs in the second round.

696
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: All right, and there's Matt Marked at Dayton time. Evan

697
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: Lazarre proves of the Patriots taking a running back in

698
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: the top fifty. There you go. Oh my goodness. All right,

699
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: let's get to some of these calls and then we'll

700
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: get to more of the visits and stuff like that today,

701
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: including one Zay Flowers yesterday per Tom pellace Erro gotta

702
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: get this out because it's over forty minutes in the

703
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: show and I haven't I haven't done this yet. Zay

704
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: Flowers per Tom pellace Erro with Bill O'Brien on the

705
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: white board here at Gillette Stadium yesterday going over the

706
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: Patriots offense. To be a fly on the wall in

707
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: that meeting would have been a whole lot of fun

708
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: for me. I would have loved that. And it just

709
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: sounds to me was a and I know I said

710
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna do the calls. It just sounds to me

711
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: was a that we are going on so much homework

712
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: at this point, like the Shrine Bowl now, that's meeting

713
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: with Billy Oh yesterday, that if they don't come away

714
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: with a Flowers in the first round of the draft,

715
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: there are a couple different possibilities. One, he failed the

716
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: exam right and it didn't work out. Two, they do

717
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: something silly like trade down to twenty five or something

718
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: like that and he doesn't fall right and he ends

719
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: up going earlier. Or three they just flat out hate me,

720
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: like those are the three, Like they just overthink it

721
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: and they flat out hate me, and they just want

722
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: anybody but Zay Flowers. So I'm not happy. I'm gonna

723
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: tell you something that I think is a glass half

724
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: full thing, glass half empty thing. People are either going

725
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: to be dancing wherever they're listening to this, or they

726
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: are going to be incredibly frustrated and it's going to

727
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: break their brain about how they feel about this draft.

728
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, Well, they brought Zaan and

729
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: taught him the playbooks. I don't remember hearing that many

730
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: meetings that go like that, right, That's kind of a

731
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: unique thing. I wonder if that's happened in the past. Yeah,

732
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: it has with another receiver. Is it Deebo Samuel? No,

733
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: because I literally would have walked out in twenty nine.

734
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't twenty nineteen. Nope, it was it nikkil Harry.

735
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: The Patriots nikiel Harry in for a meeting over two

736
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: days and basically grilled him on the playbook on the

737
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: based on what he said and I'm paraphrasing, they grilled

738
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: him on the playbook on the first day, Yeah, and

739
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: in the second day they brought him back in to

740
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: see what he could remember, yeah, and what he retained.

741
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: So I would assume that the Patriots was a did

742
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: that at the Shrine Bowl and then now we're doing

743
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: so well. So here's the thing. Here's why I say this.

744
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: You can glass fl glass f empty. They did draft them.

745
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: They did this experiment with the guy they drafted. Yeah,

746
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: but it was Nikiel Harry. So that's why I didn't

747
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: know how you were going to react to that. I

748
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I almost told you that before the show,

749
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: but I wanted to get that. But so there you got.

750
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm just putting it out there. I'm just putting that

751
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: out there. React, I react however you want to react.

752
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna spin it positive because

753
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: I haven't been very positive lately on the airwaves. That

754
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: means that they drafted it. They drafted a kid, right,

755
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: That's I'm gonna spin it positive. All right? This one

756
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: way to look. Let's go through these calls and then

757
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: we'll do the rest of the meetings that they have here. Patty,

758
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: what's up, Patty? Things were hanging on? Sorry we always

759
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: keep you on hold for so long. Oh, I don't

760
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: care about that big difference. Though they separate, Nikkiel can

761
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: never separate. So I gotta ask you really quickly, is

762
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: it all right? To fight hate something from pu and

763
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: do a quick amount rushmore my dessert. Absolutely, okay, I'll

764
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: do that. And I got a draft question for you

765
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: guys too. So Number four is this stuff called truth Froup.

766
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: You can find it in a supermarket and the freezer section.

767
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: It's chocolate and peanut butter covered banana pieces. Unbelievable, great fires,

768
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: you kids would say nowadays nowadays. Number three there's a

769
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: place called Malicious and Southwood, mass home of Rebecca Lobo.

770
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: They do this browning nut Sunday. You gotta get it

771
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: with the banella soft serve. It's unbelievable. Number two I'm

772
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: a birthday cake sucker. Two my favorite marble marble cake

773
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: with chocolate problems. Yes, yes, speak. And the number one

774
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: they don't make it. It's been out of production since

775
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. But Ben and Jerry's had this

776
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: flavor called Wavy Gravy ice cream. It was the greatest

777
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: ice cream, undisputed. Anybody that loves ice cream that tasted

778
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: this ice cream would say, this is the greatest brick

779
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: and ice cream ever made. All right, So, now that

780
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: that's done and out of the way, possibly it picks

781
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: seventy six I'll give you guys two guys names. Tell

782
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: me why they would work in the system and why

783
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: they wouldn't work in the system. And this is going

784
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: off the assumption that we get save flowers, you know

785
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: at fourteen and to believe Jamer Gibbs or like a

786
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Julius friend tall corner it with their second pick. The

787
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: two guys Blake Freeland I'm really intrigued by, and the

788
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: other one is Tyler Stein from Alabama falling up a yeah,

789
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: great call, Patty, great call. By the way, did nobody

790
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: said ice cream cake when you guys did? That is

791
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: a good one. Ice cream cake with a little black

792
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: Oreo cookie. They are as the best. So I said

793
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: birthday cake, and a lot of people thought I was crazy.

794
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: Like birthday cake, I like chocolate. Birthday cake is very

795
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: like when it's like your birthday kind of cake do

796
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: you want? I always say ice cream cake. That's always.

797
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair, all right. So two good tackle

798
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: you know mid round tackle options that you mentioned. They're

799
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: Blake Freeland and Tyler Stein Freeland. I sent you to

800
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: the relative athletics score like comparison card on Brake Freeland

801
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: and Nate Solder it's like the same person. Like they're

802
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: both six eight, three hundred and five pounds with really

803
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: really good athletic profiles. Freeland can run block and he's

804
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: got I think some good feet, right. I mean that

805
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 1: the testing backs that up, and I think that's there

806
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: on film. The problem is he's six foot eight and

807
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: that doesn't always lend itself very well because sometimes you're

808
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: almost too tall to play tackle. It's a leverage sport,

809
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: hard to get low, and he's one of those guys

810
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: that does have issues with leverage right, with getting his

811
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, his lower bodies not very flexible to bend

812
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: and really sit down in the chair, uh to you know,

813
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: to catch the pass rusher coming at him. So I

814
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: think Freeland is going to be a fine pro. But

815
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: when he goes up against the josh Ucha type, for example,

816
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna have issues with those types of guys. And

817
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: the guy that Nate's Solder just had absolute fits with

818
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: was Cam wake Right, same type of guy that could

819
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: get low, explode off the edge and bend and turn

820
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: the corner. That's what Blake Freland's going to have issues with.

821
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: But I think that he's going to be a rock

822
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: solid NFL pro kind of like Nate's Solder. Not elite,

823
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: not special um, but a viable NFL left tackle for

824
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: the next five to six years. Yeah, my big knock

825
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: on Freeland. I agree with a lot of what you said,

826
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: and honestly, I'll take a tall tackle. I understand that

827
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: there's like a borderline there, and again Loman wins. But

828
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: I players are getting bigger in this league, so I

829
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: just think we have to adjust what we view is

830
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: acceptable size. Yeah, like the ad drushers are getting taller too, right,

831
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: So the one thing I worry about with him, like

832
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: I think he probably needs to put more muscle on.

833
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: Like he said he's six eight, he's only three h two. Yeah,

834
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: because he only played tight end right. He started at

835
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: right end, which is another reason why I think he

836
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: will be a good player in this league. I wonder

837
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: how good he'll be as a rookie. Yeah, And I

838
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: would just much rather have a guy at that position

839
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: that if they need him this year, because there's a

840
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: good chance they're going to need a third tackle this year.

841
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: Trent Brands injury history, Riley reefs age. I wonder what

842
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: he'd be able to give them in twenty twenty three.

843
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: Now drafting a tackle at seventy six, and that was

844
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: the point of the question. Blake Freeland's probably your best option,

845
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be a bad pick at that point.

846
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: I just hate waiting until seventy six, because again, I

847
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: want a guy who's gonna be able to give you

848
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: something in twenty twenty three. That's fair. I would take

849
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: Freeland over Stein because I think that Steen has some

850
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: length and just lateral quickness issues that I don't know

851
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: if he's a tackle. I think that he's probably a

852
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: tackle capable player that would be better off moving inside, right,

853
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: And I don't I think we're done with those types

854
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: of guys, the Tweeners, right, the Matthew bergerons, the Cody mocks,

855
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: the Tyler Stein's all great film, Like all those guys

856
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: are really meet with Cody mocking them, We're gonna get

857
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: to it. All great film on all those guys, really

858
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: clean film, but they're all better suited to play inside,

859
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: And like, I don't know if we really want to

860
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: do that again. Another for lack of a better example,

861
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: I guess Isaiah Win where you're playing a guy that

862
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: really now actually fits as a guard at tackle, just

863
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: because that's the guy you took to play tackle. So

864
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: I would lean towards Blake Freeland just for that reason.

865
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: But I think Steen has better technique and better tape.

866
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: But I think Freeland's a better prospect. But that's why

867
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: I kind of lean seen because again, I just think

868
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: they need to be I don't think they have the

869
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: luxury of looking ahead. I think that they need to

870
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: be who's going to help us in twenty twenty three

871
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: and who's going to be a better player this upcoming season.

872
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, but I think that they

873
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: I think that they believe that Trent Brown and Riley

874
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: will be a bridge to carry them through this season.

875
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: Whether I agree with that philosophy, this is the whole

876
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: argument we had three weeks ago. Yeah, that's true. We're

877
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: on opposite side of this one. No, I think that

878
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: they think. No, I agree with you. I think they

879
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: think those guys are going to carry him through. They

880
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: can think that all they want until one of them

881
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: gets hurt. I think that their thought process, and there's

882
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: a lot of I thinks, but their thought process from

883
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: just looking at it on the outside looking in, is

884
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: that hopefully they draft a tackle that it just comes

885
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: into camp and is just the best player, and they

886
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: just will kick Riley Reef out of the starting lineup

887
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: and put Blake Freeland in at right tackle. Right. Then,

888
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: hopefully that happens. But if it doesn't and the guys

889
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: that they draft end up needing some development, they're okay

890
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: with that too, because they have Trent Brown and Riley Reef.

891
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: And that's why I wonder unless Broderick Jones or Paris

892
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: Johnson is there at fourteen and they just have that

893
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: franchise tackle just drop in their lap, I wonder how

894
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: long they would feel comfortable waiting for the tackle. And

895
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: I think maybe doing what they did last year at

896
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: corner where they drafted the Jones is in the third

897
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: in the fourth round, maybe that's where they look for

898
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: the tackles. But they'll double dip just to hedge their bets, right,

899
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: they look at it maybe later. The problem with that

900
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: is this draft structured differently. Right, So you have Blake Freeland,

901
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: who's supposed to go at ninety three, the last tackle

902
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: projecting to the top in the top one hundred, it

903
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: drops off pretty hard after that. I mean you have

904
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: Wanya Morris is an early Day three guy, from Oklahoma

905
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: after him. I mean, Ryan Hayes is late day three,

906
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: Carter Warren's late, some of those guys that Jackson Klin

907
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: might be a guard, Yeah, Jackson Krkland, Carter Warren, who's

908
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: the kid from Baylor, Connor Galvin? Like right, but like

909
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: to me, at that way, Connor Gawn might not get drafted. Yeah,

910
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: at that point you just grab udfa like that where

911
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: they took the so where they took Marcus Jones, they

912
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: can get a tackle, I think. But yeah, that one

913
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: hundred to like one fifty range, you make it there,

914
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: you're Oklahoma. You're either significantly reaching on somebody or you're

915
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: just not taking a tackle there. So I don't I

916
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: don't know that. It's like, let's wait until the fourth round.

917
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: And he used two of those three picks on tackles

918
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: because I know, no, I think that I think you

919
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: had to take one in the top one hundred certain, right,

920
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: But if they took a tackle at seventy six and

921
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: then took a tackle one out seven, I think or

922
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, something like that they did with the Joneses,

923
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: I think they'd be I think it's more likely like

924
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: ninety six and then like one eighty two, yeah, or

925
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: one of those. I don't like that's where a guy

926
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: like that long on the second one, just because I

927
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: think at that point you're really you're throwing like an

928
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: Andrew Stuport level dart at it. But but that that's

929
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: what this draft is. That's who's there, right. I guess

930
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: I think in the top one fifty you can get

931
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: two guys that you feel I can start early. And

932
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: I think the player you take it one seventeen and

933
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: the player you take it one eighty at tackle in

934
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: this draft and be very similar players unless one you

935
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: mix it there, unless one, but I don't think you will.

936
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: So at that point you're talking about Connor, Galvin, Luke Haggard,

937
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: like you just get those guys dfhas Yeah, yeah, that's fair,

938
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: all right, Matthew and New Mexico. It's up Matthews. I

939
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: called a few weeks to don't I remember, but I

940
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: brought up doing like a Christian barn there if I

941
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: trade for jam Dad and let's just say we do

942
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: that and like we somehow get a day. Um if

943
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: that scenario works out, like tackle, you see that his

944
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: parent miss is next year's draft, and like the teams

945
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: to the fourties or even like free agents tackles next year.

946
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: And my second question is it's been a week or

947
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: so with America and stuff you said right now, do

948
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: you think those reports are true? And like what do

949
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: you guys stop on? Thank you guys very much. Okay,

950
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: thanks Matthew. So the first question, I gotta admit, I'm

951
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: so focused on this year's draft. We can pull up

952
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: like you know, consensus boards and stuff like that about

953
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: next year's draft, but I'm not. I'm not. We're on

954
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: on twenty twenty three right now for me personally. But

955
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: so there is one guy next year's draft I am

956
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: familiar with, not enough unfortunately be able to pronounce his name. Yeah,

957
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: olumuyiwa for Shan who I know the last name is

958
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: for Shan who's from Penn State. He was they love

959
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: Penn State guys, naturally, he was actually expected to come

960
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: out this year and he was gonna be a first

961
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: round pick this year, and people have at him in

962
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: that like he was in between right. So we have

963
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: the Roderick Jones, Paris Johnson, Peter Scronsky group, and then

964
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: we have like the Darnell right um uh Anton Harrison group,

965
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: right right, He was projected to be in between those two,

966
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: probably closer to the top. Who's supposed to be the

967
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: pick that they're going to make in this draft exactly?

968
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: And then he went back to school. So now he's

969
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: gonna go higher next year because it's gonna be a

970
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: year more advanced. The other guy is Joe Alt from

971
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. People love him. Some are saying he could be,

972
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, the top non quarterback off the board. I

973
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: don't if it's that bad that they're drafting one of

974
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, they're taking a quarterback, they're not taking

975
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: a tackle. Fair enough, all right, Mike and Zono, what's up?

976
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: Mike wearing Arizona. I'm actually Tucson. Oh, I was there

977
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: not too long ago. It's up, Mike. First of all,

978
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: great job, guys, like following your content, the local content.

979
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: Thank you. First question is are we gonna see angry

980
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: Evan at the draft if they pick an RB early

981
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: like we did last year? Are they gonna take a

982
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: running back? Is that what you're asking? No? No, no,

983
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: are we gonna see angry Evan? Oh? Good question. Yes,

984
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: So I was. I told Alex this off the air,

985
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: and I made a joke about it on PU I

986
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: think that I've been doing some breathing exercises and uh

987
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: and doing trying to find my inners in a little

988
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: bit more and visualizing them breaking my heart on draft

989
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: nights so that I don't lose it again on Patriots

990
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: dot Com radio. So I've been trying to to center myself,

991
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: um for the inevitable. Look, I'll keep it off the air,

992
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: but we do have there's a little of an agreement

993
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: between me and even if the day's take a running

994
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: back in the first round. Yeah, well, I think keep

995
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: your reaction real because a lot of it's felt the

996
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: same way you did it. I'll try, but not not

997
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: too hard. You might have to. Yeah. My question is, well,

998
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: one of my questions is Evan, you may mention that

999
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: the positions you'd like cornerback for the first pick, quarterback, wide, receiver, tackle,

1000
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: and I guess you know you agree with that. Yeah,

1001
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: where and what? What? Um? What position is priority? Like?

1002
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: If if Paris Johnson was there and all of our

1003
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: receivers are there, where are you taking here a Christian

1004
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: Gonzals quarterback? If he's there, I think I doubt he

1005
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: will be Would you take him over everyone? Where's that

1006
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: line in the stands for player in the first round

1007
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: that you'd say for that position, for those positions that

1008
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: you're absolutely taking it. You know that wide receivers available,

1009
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: You're taking him no matter what over anyone else. So

1010
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: that's a really interesting question. That's a fun question. Yeah,

1011
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: because that and thanks for the column, Mike. That's a

1012
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: good question because that this gets to the to the

1013
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: the core of what we really think is the biggest

1014
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: need on the team, or what we really think is

1015
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: the biggest problem on the team. And I I tend

1016
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: to lean towards the tackle. And I know that I've

1017
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: been obsessed with Day and I am obsessed with Zay,

1018
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: and it breaks my heart not to save receiver, but

1019
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: I leaned towards tackle because I feel like the best

1020
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: thing to do in that first round pick is to

1021
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: just hit it down the fairway sometimes. And I think

1022
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: that Paris Johnson, let's say he's there, or Broderick Jones

1023
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: maybe to a lesser degree, but Paris Johnson certainly would

1024
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: be pretty much hitting it down the fairway like that

1025
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: guy's he I don't I can't put a Ceilinger on him,

1026
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: but his floor is he's not going to be a bust, right,

1027
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get a good player for the

1028
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: life of his rookie contract, to say the least. But

1029
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: the most fun thing is clear that to take a receiver.

1030
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 1: So let's let's play because I really like that question. Okay,

1031
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: here's the guys at the three positions, all right, Christian Zalez,

1032
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: Joey Porter, Devin Witherspoon, Yeah, Broderick Jones, Paris Johnson, Peter

1033
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: Scarronsky Yeah, Zay Flowers JS, and Jordan Addison, Quinn Johnson. Yeah.

1034
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: It's ten players. Yeah, and now look, I don't think

1035
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: all ten are gonna be there, right, be shocked, right,

1036
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: But let's big board these ten players real quick. Okay,

1037
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: all those eyes are on the board. Well, I kind

1038
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: of did big board these players. It's my big board

1039
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: that's coming out next night. It's a spoilers. It's a

1040
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: little bit of a spoiler, Alex, all right, I'll tell

1041
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: you mine, all right. Christian Gonzalez is still on the board. Yeah,

1042
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: I don't care who else is on the board. Yeah,

1043
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: I have him number one, Christian Gonzalez. If he's still

1044
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: on the board, spoiler, then I probably go I'm like,

1045
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: so torn between Brodrick Jones in Paris Johnson. Yeah, Like

1046
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: I go back and forth. It's those two guys are

1047
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: very Uh, it's a ceiling floor conversation, right, broder Jones's

1048
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: ceiling is higher because of his athleticism, but Paris Johnson's

1049
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: further along. But by the way, they both have very

1050
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: high floors and high ceilings. I think Broderick Jones's floor

1051
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: is low. Is not enough lower for me to say

1052
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: it's lower. I'm gonna lock myself into this end because

1053
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: I'm the one who's been sitting here for weeks saying

1054
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: they have to worry about twenty twenty three. Yeah, I'm

1055
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: gonna say Paris Johnson two. Yeah, Roderick Jones three Yeah.

1056
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: I think broder Jones a little bit more of a

1057
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: developmental project. After that, I go Zay Flowers four Okay,

1058
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: I go Devin Witherspoon five okay, George Jason six yep,

1059
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: Joey Porter seven, Peter Scronsky eight, Jordan Addison nine, Quinton

1060
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: Johnson ten Okay. So we're not just did that off top.

1061
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: We're not totally different. I think where we differ the

1062
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 1: most is probably Witherspoon relative to the receivers. Okay, I

1063
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: have a little I'm starting to be a little bit

1064
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: concerned about Witherspoon had a great proto yesterday. But he's

1065
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: five eleven one eighty. He's got long arms, so he

1066
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: plays a lot bigger than five he plays. But I

1067
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: don't want to guy like this is this goes back

1068
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: to like, let's not take a guard that's a that

1069
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: we play a tackle. I don't want a guy that

1070
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 1: plays a lot bigger than eighty. I want a guy

1071
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: who is a lot bigger than five. Who do you

1072
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: have Porter ahead of him? Yes? Okay for now, because

1073
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't have Porter ahead of him just strictly based

1074
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: off the film. But if I'm evaluating it as a

1075
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: as a from a patriot and in my draft, you know,

1076
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: yeah point of view, if I'm trying to be my

1077
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: best inner scout here, I would do that. I think

1078
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: that Witherspoon at five eleven one eighty is a big

1079
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: time top twenty outlier like that. The league does not

1080
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: draft that body type in the top twenty at that

1081
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: position too often ever. So well, he's got like he's

1082
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: got so much dog at him, like you know, but

1083
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: that's just the that's just the point. So I'll say

1084
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: this if I were to tier this, Yeah, Christiannzalez tier

1085
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: one on his own. Yeah, that guy's so smooth. It's

1086
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: just he's unbelievable. I think he's in the top ten pick.

1087
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm shocked that he's not a consensus top eight. I

1088
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: thought he was, but apparently he's not. There's a lot

1089
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: of people out there that don't see that with him.

1090
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: That's really weird. Yeah, so I go Christian Zalez number one.

1091
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: He's in a tier of his own. Paris Johnson, Roderick

1092
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: Jones or tier two. Yeah, after that, to me, it

1093
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: really drops off, right. That's that's how I have I

1094
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 1: think where it comes from. As I'm trying, I'm trying

1095
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: not to do and we have our recency bias picks

1096
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: of the week, we're going to do those again. I'm

1097
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: trying not to do it with JSN because I watched

1098
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: JSN really early on in the problem. No, there's always

1099
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that you look at that are

1100
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: just throughout the process there. But I watched him earlier

1101
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: on in the process, and there hasn't really been a

1102
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: reason for me to revisit any of his tape more recently,

1103
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: and so I don't want to get him. I think

1104
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: that js N is the most polished receiver in this draft.

1105
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: I think I don't think there's any question that he's

1106
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: the most NFL ready best prospect the twenty twenty one seasons,

1107
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: the best collection of games than any of these right

1108
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver prospects have to their name. The speed is

1109
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: the speed, Like, he's not a burner. We know that,

1110
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: and that that I can totally understand in terms of

1111
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: ceiling and fit and things like that, that it's you know,

1112
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: you wish that he was faster. Well, I mean we've

1113
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the conversation we had with with

1114
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: Jimir Gibson Bjean Robinson. Obviously the different position is be

1115
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: a better player. Yeah, But who would the Patriots be

1116
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: better off with? Junior Kibbs js ENDS. I think if

1117
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna rank them like Madden rating right out of

1118
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: a hundred, he's got a higher rating. He's got a

1119
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: higher rating. But I think Flowers is a lot closer

1120
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: than most people maybe put out there, and I think

1121
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: he's close enough that you can bring stylistic fit into

1122
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: the right Would you rather have an eighty five who's

1123
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: not a style, and these are arbitrary numbers. Eighty five

1124
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: who's not a stylistic fit? Or eighty three who is right?

1125
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: It's not like eighty five and seventy where well it's

1126
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: not even close. Just give me the better player. It's

1127
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: close enough that I think you can bring stylistic fit

1128
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: into it. When you do that, it puts Za Flowers

1129
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: over the top. Two. All right, well that was a

1130
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: fun exercise. I don't want to reveal my entire big

1131
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: board because we're gonna reveal it next week. And okay,

1132
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: I didn't realize. Yeah, totally fine, but that we're not

1133
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, those are the ten guys I think that

1134
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: we all sort of have in some collection or some order.

1135
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: All Right, CJ and KC. What's up? CJ, Hey, what's

1136
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: up guys. Long time PU listener, but really love what

1137
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: you guys bring to it. And Evan, I was listening

1138
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: to you on that and I was going to call

1139
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: in on you didn't get a chance to do. But

1140
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to get away from the draft talk here

1141
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: for a second. Something that you said on Tuesday about

1142
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: like you've lost trust, lost that trust in Bill as

1143
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: far as like the draft process goes to prospects evaluation

1144
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: and where he ends up picking people. And I wanted

1145
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: to ask you, not necessarily in a defensive Bill, but

1146
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: if I had to pick a side, I'm probably going

1147
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: to stay on the Bill side of things. Is what

1148
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: GM head coach combination, year in and year out, produces

1149
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: playoff caliber team and its sustained that success and then

1150
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: keeps those draft picks on their team too. Okay, And

1151
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: you're saying, is this just in general or because if

1152
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: you're saying that Bill does that that, I'm not sure.

1153
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: I agree. That's all. That's why I'm asking you. Know,

1154
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he does. No, I'm just saying, like,

1155
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: who would you rather have in that position? Then that

1156
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: can do that? Okay, Yeah, that's a fair point. Um.

1157
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: I think that there's a year in the yang with

1158
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: this conversation because Bill is the head coach and the

1159
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: general manager. So it's it's tough to compare him to

1160
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: other situations because he's the only one I think in

1161
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: the league. Right, Alex, Right, now, that's both I don't

1162
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: think that happens anything. No, no, no, they have a GM.

1163
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I think he is. Pat. I think you're

1164
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: right I think, Yeah, so I would to me, I

1165
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: think the two best gms in football right now are

1166
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: actually the two guys that just played in the Super Bowl,

1167
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: Bred Beach and Howie Roseman Bold Pick. Why is that

1168
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: bold two guys? Just because you just said that the

1169
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: guys who were the two best teams are the two

1170
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: best in the they're asking me about the general managers,

1171
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: the best two general managers they run the best team,

1172
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: And I was I was actually hoping you were going

1173
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: to say that about the chief GM because I think

1174
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a little easier to say that

1175
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: when you had the greatest player on the field. Yeah,

1176
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: but I mean Bill had the greatest player on the

1177
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: field for twenty years too, So are we just gonna

1178
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: That's my whole point. That's why I'm not like, That's

1179
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: why I was saying. I don't know if it's necessarily

1180
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: a pro for Bill, but like it definitely makes a difference. Well,

1181
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: who added the best player on the field in both situations? Right? Right?

1182
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: I guess if we're gonna use that caveat against bread Beach,

1183
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: then we have to be fair and use it against

1184
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: Bill too, right. I mean, that's why are you using

1185
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: adding the best player in the league against the general name.

1186
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: And I would also mention that it's not quite drafting

1187
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: him in the six rounds, right, But they did trade

1188
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: Eye for Patrick Mahomes and give up significant capital and

1189
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: made that investment, and I think they took him over

1190
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: some other guys like he wasn't supposed to go that Eye, right.

1191
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: So look, I I agree that Bill is still on

1192
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: a short list of people that I would wouldn't take

1193
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: very many guys over him to run my football team.

1194
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: But I think that we are, Like I said on PU,

1195
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: I personally feel like we're past the point now where

1196
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: I can be fully blindly in Bill. We trust every

1197
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: move he makes is the right move. With what has

1198
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: happened here over the last four or five years, I

1199
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: don't know how you can still look at that and

1200
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: say that he can do no wrong and I trust

1201
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: him to make every right move when he really has

1202
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: now basically a pretty long list of things that he's

1203
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: done wrong. Yeah, in the last four years. Yeah, I

1204
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: think that's just where I'm at age. Thanks for the

1205
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: collec J appreciated. We didn't want to do drama, and

1206
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to do drama, but that that that

1207
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: point that I made on PU I think is really

1208
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: where I'm at with the whole thing with Bill is

1209
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: that I just don't trust him anymore, and I don't

1210
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: trust that he is. What's he always say to us

1211
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: aux that he does what's in the best interest the

1212
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: football team. Is what he has done with mac Jones truly,

1213
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that he needs to needs to

1214
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: coddle him and needs to handle him with kid gloves,

1215
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: but is what he's done with Mac Jones over the

1216
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: last calendar your year truly been what's best for the

1217
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: football team? Or has he let things get in the

1218
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: way of that, Because even if you look at tangible

1219
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: things and you don't get into reports and don't get

1220
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: into gossip about the situation, just making Matt Patricia the

1221
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator last year was not in the best interest

1222
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: of anybody. So even the tangible stuff, it hasn't been that.

1223
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: And That's where I'm at with Bill. Do you want

1224
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: to go over Let's do a little bit rapid fire,

1225
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: because we got we got to wrap pretty soon here

1226
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: on some of these other visits that the Patriots have

1227
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: had mentioned Za Flowers, We've done that one a lot

1228
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: The other one that's come out today that I think

1229
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: they're actually he might be here right now down the

1230
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: hall talking is the two Georgia kids, Roderick Jones and

1231
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: Nolan Smith. So Roderick Jones is a tackle. We just

1232
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: talked about him and I have a take on him

1233
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: as well as I'm sure you do. And Nolan Smith

1234
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: is an edge rusher. And both guys are in that

1235
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen range right like they're right there, Yeah,

1236
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: Nolan Smith's maybe more like fifteen to twenty. Yeah, I

1237
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: could see that. But they're doing their homework on guys

1238
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: that are going to be on the board when they

1239
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: come up to pick, or might be on the board.

1240
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: So let with Brodrick Jones. I think, you know, some

1241
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: people have I have soured a bit. He was my

1242
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: OT one after my initial you know time through the

1243
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: top tackles. Now I have him below Paris Johnson, mainly

1244
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: because I think his past protection technique and his sets

1245
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: are a little bit raw. At the moment he tends

1246
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: to his feet in his hands, he'll throw a punch

1247
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: and just everything stops and tend to lead to some lunges,

1248
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: some forward leans and some off balance footwork. He's got

1249
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: some work to do in sort of in terms of refinement.

1250
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: But that being said, the Patriots have not been in

1251
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: a position and quite some time due to their own success.

1252
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is a negative. They haven't been

1253
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: in a position in quite some time to draft a

1254
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: player with the ceiling of Brodrick Jones. Like in two

1255
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: or three years, we could be talking about Brodrick Jones

1256
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: as being an elite, elite NFL left tackle. I don't

1257
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: know if Paris Johnson will ever get there. I just

1258
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: think he's the safer pick right now. But Brodrick Jones

1259
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: has that type of potential that is a we always

1260
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: talk about blue chip, right like elite player. That's what

1261
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: you hope you're getting at fourteen if you take a

1262
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: guy like Brodrick Jones. Yeah, And you know, I don't

1263
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: think that's to say his floor is low. I think

1264
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: he comes in as a plug and play guy. But

1265
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: you're right, I think Paris Johnson's just it's a weird

1266
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: word to use. I feel like he's more stirred than

1267
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: Broderick Jones. Yeah, he's more like classic. You know, she's

1268
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: a big guy. He's gonna getting away. Yeah, that's who

1269
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: Paris Johnson is and that's sometimes what you look for

1270
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: a tackle. Yeah, so I I am interested in the

1271
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: upside of Brodrick Jones. I think he's dynamic his athleticism,

1272
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: like he's on a tight end. And it's funny we

1273
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: do this, you know how, We'll talk about like receivers

1274
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: or tight ends or even like defensive bass and be like, man,

1275
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: they could have a lot of fun if they draft him, right,

1276
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: they can get really creative with him. We don't really

1277
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: talk that way about Lineman, but Brodrick Jones the guy

1278
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,439
Speaker 1: that I look at and it's like, yeah, they could

1279
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: have some fun with this guy. Yeah, they can kind

1280
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: of get weird with this guy, pulling him or blocking

1281
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: on the move like that, yeah, or getting him out

1282
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: in front of his screen or yeah, I'm you can

1283
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: like design stuff for him as a tackle. Which how

1284
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: many tackles can you really say that about? And I

1285
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: don't That doesn't glides the Niners putting Trent Williams out

1286
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: that well, that's I think that he's one of two.

1287
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Trent Williams is one of one. And

1288
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: then I would say Lane Johnson has that type of

1289
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: athleticism too. At the goes will often run things specifically

1290
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: in his direction, knowing that Lane Johnson's going to do

1291
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 1: something ridiculous on that side of the field. But Trent

1292
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: Williams is the one guy that literally moves around the

1293
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: formation because he's so athletic and so freakish that the

1294
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: Niners can use him as a chip. And Nolan Smith's

1295
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: a really interesting one to me. I think that they

1296
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: have much much bigger needs than planning ahead for edge rusher.

1297
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: This is what they used to do ten years ago

1298
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: when everything else was in place and they just were

1299
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: planning ahead for the next offseason. Josh U j Anthony Jennings.

1300
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: That class is going to be free agents next year.

1301
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: Matthew Judon is going into year three of a four

1302
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: year deal, obviously getting a little bit up there now too,

1303
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: pushing thirty on the back end of this deal. So

1304
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: they keeping that cupboard stock to edge rushers is important,

1305
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it's first round important. But

1306
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: with that being said, Nolan Smith, I actually think no

1307
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: one Smith is better against the run than he is

1308
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher, which is saying a lot because

1309
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: he's a pretty good pass rusher too, But he is

1310
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: extremely instinctive. His lateral quickness to slip box is fantastic.

1311
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: His nose for the football it is just really really good.

1312
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: And then he does have that ability. I don't think

1313
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: he's quite like a bender, like a corner of the

1314
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: edge type of guy like Josh j Is, but he

1315
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: does have some ability to get off the line and

1316
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,799
Speaker 1: that first step to get up the field and test tackles.

1317
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: So he's an all around good player. I know he's light,

1318
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: but I don't think that that's a concern of mine,

1319
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: not that lightly. He's two thirty eight, yeah, so he'll

1320
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: probably play it like two forty five. Right in the league,

1321
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: had a great combine, was one of the best overall

1322
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: testers that like, really good leader. Yeah, you know, has

1323
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: that Jim rat in him to The big knock on

1324
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: him is going to be his production. He had I

1325
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: think three sacks last year, nine tackles for loss, and

1326
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: teams are gonna look at that and say, why didn't

1327
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: you produce? Like first round players typically have better production

1328
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: than that at that position. But it go. We did

1329
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: this last year with Jordan Davis. Right, there's so many

1330
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: players on that Georgia defense, there just wasn't enough, nobody

1331
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: could produce it that insane level because everybody was producing. Yeah,

1332
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: so that's why he's going to fall, is that production.

1333
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it because I think it's just

1334
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: a rare scenario where Georgia was so loaded he can't

1335
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah. Yeah, No, one's been a good player,

1336
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: all right. So next one, just sticking with wide receivers

1337
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: because Zay is not the only receiver that's been here

1338
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: the last week. Is that is Jordan Addison from USC.

1339
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: You had Jordan Addison a ninth on your little big

1340
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: board over there, wide receiver three behind Zay Flowers and JSN.

1341
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I wonder how they feel

1342
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: about Jordan Addison because at least according to Mike Reeves,

1343
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: not according to one of these gossip calumnists. Right, according

1344
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: to Mike Reeves, Calvin Ridley was on a shortlist for

1345
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: them a few years ago coming out. Yeah, and I

1346
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: think if I had to come up with a pro

1347
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,839
Speaker 1: comparison for Addison, it would probably be Calvin Ridley. And

1348
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: if they really liked Calvin Ridley a few years ago

1349
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: in eighteen and they ended up picking Win And you

1350
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 1: know what, revisionist history. Well, wait, when was Calvin Ridley

1351
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: on their shortlist in twenty eighteen or when he was

1352
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: available for trade last year and eighteen. I remember there

1353
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: was a reas report in eighteen right after the draft

1354
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: that it was like Win Addison and one other player

1355
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 1: and Ridley, Yeah, excuse me, Win Ridley and one other player,

1356
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: and they ended up taking Win Jordan Addison is he's

1357
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 1: really polished. He paces his routes out well, he eats

1358
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: up off coverage. I think that he's more um quicker

1359
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: than he is fast, you know, because he's good in

1360
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: the first like eight to ten yards, but he I

1361
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: don't know if he necessarily pulls away with that long speed.

1362
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: And I think that's what you saw at the combine

1363
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: when he ran like in the high four fours. But

1364
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: I think some people have lost it a little bit

1365
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: with Addison because he didn't have a great combine, but

1366
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: he didn't bomb the combine like it wasn't awful. But

1367
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: he also came in much smaller than expected, like it

1368
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: was as much the measurements the thing to me with Addison.

1369
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: And you know, when I look at it from a

1370
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: Patriots point, if you they've drafted combined standouts. It's been

1371
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: their things. So you look at that and how much

1372
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,879
Speaker 1: do they weigh the Pittsburgh tape first, the USC tape.

1373
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: That's what it's gonna come down that. It comes down

1374
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: to that for me as well, and I think a

1375
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: lot of people's tough. The thing about the Patriots in

1376
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 1: recent years is we know Romandre was much better in

1377
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen than twenty twenty. Christian Barmore had a better

1378
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen than twenty twenty. If JSN wasn't in this class,

1379
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: because you can obviously make the exact same argument basically

1380
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: for Jay well you have. The difference is you have

1381
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: to you have to look at the twenty twenty one

1382
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: tape for Json, right, you don't have to for George

1383
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: he played basically a full season last year. I think

1384
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: he missed speaking. He did have an ankle injury that

1385
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: I know late in the year might have hobbled him

1386
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. But the point being like they've been okay,

1387
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: or I shouldn't say it been okay. They've looked at

1388
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: the body of work as a whole yea, rather than

1389
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: just the previous year before. Now I just talked about,

1390
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, twenty nineteen to twenty twenty, But what was

1391
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: the difference? Twenty twenty was kind of a weird year

1392
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: for a lot of guys. Yeah, where they On one hand,

1393
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: you can look at it and say, well, that's when

1394
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: Matt grow really came into the fold and maybe that's

1395
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: his approach, or you look at it and say, well,

1396
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: they did that because they had to because the pandemic.

1397
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: We don't know, we don't know enough data yet. But

1398
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: when it does come to Addison, like, they might be

1399
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: a team that's more. They might be a team that

1400
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: weighs the Pittsburgh tape, the Blitna cough year yea more

1401
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: than some other teams would. So the problem that I

1402
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: have with that approach with the twenty twenty one tape,

1403
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,520
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing the same level of corners in that conference.

1404
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: And you know me, I'm not a PAC twelve right.

1405
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: But last year you can watch him against Key Blue

1406
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: Kelly from Stanford. You can watch him against Clark Phillips

1407
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: from Utah and Christian Zalez. Christiannzalez, he put up some

1408
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: pretty good numbers. Especially in that Stanford game. He had

1409
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: that deep post on kid Luke Kelly and beat him

1410
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: for like a seventy five yard touchdown. But despite that,

1411
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: it just didn't necessarily feel like he was pulling away

1412
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: from those guys and he was creating mountains of separation

1413
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: against other NFL caliber corners. At Pittsburgh, it was better,

1414
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: but I don't think he was facing NFL caliber corners

1415
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: every week in Pittsburgh. So I have a little bit

1416
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: of concerns with that with Jordan Addison. But the last

1417
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: thing I was with him too, is like, if you

1418
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: draft him, you have to find ways to get him open,

1419
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: Like you have to get him off the line of scrimmage,

1420
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to move him either in the

1421
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: slot or bring him in motion or put him in

1422
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: a stack or a bunch because he's gonna wear press

1423
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: coverage like you. I don't think that you can just

1424
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: as easily with a guy like Zay. I think Zay's

1425
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: got enough film against press that I feel comfortable, like

1426
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: if you want to line him up outside on a

1427
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: couple of snaps a game and just let him go

1428
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: at somebody one on one, that I think he can win.

1429
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: I'm not as confident in Jordan Addison's ability to do

1430
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 1: that based off the film. So we'll see. I don't

1431
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: hate Addison. I don't love Addison, but certainly, if they

1432
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: drafted Addison in the first round, I'd be excited because

1433
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: they drafted a receiver and that's exciting, and I think

1434
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: that he's a good receiver. Is he great? I don't know.

1435
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: Is he Davante Smith? No, he's not. I think that's

1436
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: a bad comparison. I get it's a good comparison from

1437
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: a body type perspective because they're both the same height

1438
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: and weight. But DeVante Smith when he comes off to

1439
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: the line is shot out of a can. He's much faster. Yeah,

1440
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: and he might have similar long speed, like if they

1441
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 1: ran a forty, they might finish at the same time.

1442
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: But those first ten yards are gonna go to Davante

1443
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: Smith every time. That's how I feel watching the two

1444
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: of those guys. Jonathan Mingo from All Miss player I

1445
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: was late to I'll admit fun player. Is he a

1446
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: slam dunk first round like you know, Paulish, ready to

1447
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: go player? No tools prospect, like a fully a tools

1448
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: based prospect. What I like about him is obviously the

1449
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: vertical speed at two twenty is ridiculous, Like you run

1450
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: in the mid four four is at six two two

1451
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 1: and twenty pounds. That's impressive. I also like the versatility

1452
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: because I think that he's somebody that can really play

1453
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: three different positions for you offensively. I think you can

1454
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: play X, I think you can play slot, and I

1455
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: think he can play like an H back flex tight

1456
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: end roll that he played at Miss sometimes. So I

1457
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: don't love him being the only receiver that they take.

1458
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: But if let's say they don't take a receiver early

1459
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: and again crush me and break all my hopes and dreams,

1460
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: then if they talk, if they take Mingo and Charlie

1461
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: Jones together in like the third or the fourth round

1462
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: or something like that, you know, an accombination and they

1463
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: doubled it and they go that direction, I don't hate

1464
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: Mingo being like the size, speed guy that you take

1465
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: a chance on. Yeah, he just struggled with that guy

1466
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: in the past, right, which is why I would not

1467
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 1: touch him early. But like, if you're dropping him in

1468
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: the fourth round, we're getting into gas. He's a guy

1469
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna go higher and EXPECTED think he's

1470
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: gonna shoot him. Well, he was a great combine and

1471
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: he's a freak, Like he's just a physical freak there is.

1472
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm not I think he's like a little bit discount

1473
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: a J. Brown. Like he's not a J. Brown. I'm

1474
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: not saying that discount right, So the strass perp, you've

1475
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 1: got discount A J. Brown. You've got discount. DJ Metcalf,

1476
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: got discounting, Bill Samuel, We've got there really is. You

1477
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: can pair all those guys off from that dollar store,

1478
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: name store bought brand at home. Yeah, you forgot one

1479
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: receiver they met with, Okay, t J. Luther from Gardner Webb,

1480
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, stop it they did? Okay, Uh, last guy, Yeah,

1481
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,879
Speaker 1: I believe of like the Oh no, there's two more. Yeah,

1482
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: Cody Mock. Cody Mock, your guy, Cody Mock. Evan loves Cody.

1483
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: Bill hasn't fixed his teeth. I don't think he said

1484
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: he so his brother actually tweeted this. In me, he

1485
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: does plan on fixing them, but not until he's not

1486
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: until he's done with the NFL, like period. Yeah, that's awesome.

1487
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: On of course that's awesome. He that guy, just you know,

1488
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: I love him. He's a guard. He's ever actually always

1489
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: in the draft, so I think he used to blow

1490
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: my mind. He's a guard. But I actually think his

1491
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: best position is going to be center. Yeah. I think

1492
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: he's like a Jason Kelsey type center, right, because he's

1493
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: just so athletic for a center. But he's a center

1494
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: a guard, he's an interior alignment. And I think the

1495
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: one thing that I see when people talk about him

1496
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: about that conversation is well, okay, well, the Patriots don't

1497
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: care about arm lights. It's not just arm light, like

1498
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: the arm length is a concern because first contact is

1499
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: never him. He's never going to be the first to

1500
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: contact because of his arm light at tackle. But his

1501
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: footwork at tackle also needs a lot of work too,

1502
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: And I think that the more space he gets, the

1503
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: more his sloppy or his technique gets And that's why

1504
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: I think moving inside to him is going to be

1505
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: a lot cleaner of a projection. But I just want

1506
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: to make the point clear that it's more than just

1507
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: arm length with him that makes him a better guard, right.

1508
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 1: It's it's footwork, it's his skill set, it's all of

1509
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: it that he's he's a guard in the league. You

1510
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,440
Speaker 1: can't play him at tackle, I don't think unless you're

1511
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: in a pinch and you need a tackle, and he's

1512
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: a good lineman, So he can probably survive out there

1513
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: for a period of time, but he's not a full

1514
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: time tackle league Yeah, okay, uh. Amanuel Forbes also came

1515
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: for a visit. Interesting player. I think he's his own

1516
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 1: corner because of his ball hawking ability and ability to

1517
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 1: play the football down the era and you know, his

1518
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: press technique is man technique in general needs a lot

1519
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: of work. Like he's he's very very reactionary at the

1520
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, right, if you throw a head fake

1521
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 1: at him or a job step or rock or step

1522
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: or something like that, Like, you're gonna get him leaning

1523
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: one way or another, and he lets you get the

1524
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: path that you want, right, usually that inside path, he

1525
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: lets you get inside of him. So I don't think

1526
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: that he's going to be a guy that you really

1527
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 1: want to expose. A ton demand coverage and zone coverage.

1528
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 1: I think he's got a ton of ability to be

1529
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: a ball hawking zone player. Like I when I watch

1530
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: him on film, I think of like prime Josh Norman, right,

1531
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: who is really a cover two corner honestly in that

1532
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: Panther system and that builds you know, Sean McDermott style system,

1533
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: but really just a better zone player that can go

1534
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: out there in ball hawk and you know Marcus Peters,

1535
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: Josh Norman, like those types of guys. I don't think

1536
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: he's built for a press man, but maybe they think

1537
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: differently if they had him in. I think it's just

1538
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: more like Treyvon Diggs. He's just so aggressive, and I

1539
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: think and the Pagets are gonna like him good length,

1540
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 1: great production, good tester at to combine. The question is

1541
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 1: can they So. I think people hear ball hawk and

1542
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 1: they hear shutdown corner and they think those are synonyms.

1543
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: They're not. Yeah, ball hawk is overly aggressive, You're constantly

1544
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: going for the a ball, boom er bust. It's a

1545
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: guy like Trayvon Diggs. Right, shutdown is Stefan Gilmour. You're

1546
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,799
Speaker 1: not necessarily hunting the football. You're just sticking your assignment,

1547
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 1: not letting him get open. He's not Forbes is definitely word. Yeah,

1548
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: so well so. But the thing is like J. C.

1549
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: Jackson came in through the league as a ballhawk, flat out. Yeah,

1550
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,879
Speaker 1: over time in New England he started becoming a little

1551
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: playing a little more shutdown style, and I don't think

1552
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: he ever got to the point where he was a

1553
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: shutdown corner, but he wasn't full Trayvon Diggs either. Right,

1554
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: if they draft Forbes, the question is can they make

1555
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: them into can they write That's basically it. You're trying

1556
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: to recreate what you did with J. C. Jackson, and Okay,

1557
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: can we get him to play a little more disciplined,

1558
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: a little less ball hockey and still have him be effective? Yeah,

1559
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: I guess that's a way. I didn't think of it

1560
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 1: because I just look at it technically and I see

1561
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: him just be very reactionary. He's not They're they're not

1562
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna draft him and let him play that way though,

1563
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 1: because that's not how they play defense. Yeah, that's a

1564
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: good point. So, but it was not unheard of for

1565
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: a player to make that transition. Yeah. The one thing

1566
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: that is similar with Cody Mock that gets talked about

1567
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: is the one sixty six. He's one hundred and sixty

1568
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: six pounds. That's the least of my worries with his film,

1569
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: the least of my worries. I don't love it. He

1570
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: plays pretty big, but he's not a good tackling No,

1571
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: he's he's a guy that's a he's a good hitter,

1572
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: but he's not a good tackle. If you're going to ballhawk,

1573
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: you need to be able to tackle basically, And like

1574
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: I and how many times do I say this with

1575
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: wide receivers right whatever they're at, add ten fifteen pounds

1576
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: because they're gonna get into a weight room and it's

1577
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: gonna be better. But I do worry. It goes back

1578
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 1: to my main point. I worry about his tackling. So again,

1579
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 1: I think if they draft him, the conversation becomes, can

1580
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: he add some discipline to his game and still be effective?

1581
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,839
Speaker 1: Fair enough? I think that those are all the reported

1582
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,839
Speaker 1: visits that we have at the moment, unless there's anybody

1583
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: that I missed. But those are the big names at least.

1584
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: But we have a few more calls and then we'll

1585
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: wrap it. Yah. But people have been waiting on the

1586
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: line here, Mitch and Albert, what's up? Mitcha Albany, Alex

1587
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: and I used to drive through Albany. Oh No, I

1588
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 1: had a good story to tell him and everything cold

1589
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: callback Mitch Albany, I say, Albany is it's not Albany.

1590
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: It's on the way to Ithaca. We used to drive

1591
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: through there all the time. Uh. Carmine and Connecticut what's up, Carmine, Hey,

1592
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: what's going on? What's going on, Alex. I'm a big

1593
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 1: fan of you guys, Big Fanny. It takes sick fan

1594
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: of the shows and everything that you guys are doing

1595
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: over there, big fans. Thank you so much, Thank you.

1596
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: So I have I've been. I'm not. I'm driving home

1597
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: right now. I'm thinking about like wide receivers, thinking about

1598
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: you guys talking about the Patriots and wide receivers and stuff,

1599
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 1: and Hia, is this like that the whole thing with

1600
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: us drafting receivers and we can't hit for anything on

1601
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: a Nikila Harry and Aaron Jopson and Kenba tomsk into this,

1602
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: so that and all this is this just the football

1603
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: God's getting back at us for like landing the God

1604
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: of Brady in the sixth round way back. I don't know.

1605
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it is some divine intervention. I don't know, Carmine,

1606
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: but I think that there's a good conversation that we

1607
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: can we can have about why right, why why has

1608
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: this not what worked out? And thanks for that? I

1609
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: think you do you have another point to the question,

1610
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: say that one more time. Do you have another question

1611
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: or another point? Yeah? And then for the draft this year, Yeah,

1612
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: would you rather have any of these receivers you get to?

1613
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: You get to pluck whichever one you want and drop

1614
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: that into your offense. Ye? Would you rather sweit that

1615
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: first round pick to another team that's willing to give

1616
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: you a receiver or in you know, the special case

1617
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: of Lamar. Okay, that's all I got for you, Thanks, Carmine.

1618
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: All right, this is a good way to wrap it,

1619
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: all right. So basically the question is we're going back

1620
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: to ore we trading fourteen for Jerry Judy, or we

1621
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 1: draft and safely Jerry Judy. I've yeah, We'm not gonna

1622
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: budge on this Jerry Judy, all right because I think

1623
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: who is Zay Flowers? Ideally? In three years? Yeah, Jerry Judy,

1624
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: so you're just the miss. I'd rather the boat than

1625
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 1: the mystery box. I love that analogy. We always send that.

1626
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: How come back to that and now I'll give you

1627
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: another one. I'll give you another one. It's a time

1628
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: machine you get to. You can either draft Jerry Judy

1629
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: or sorry, you can either draft da Family Guy episodes

1630
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: with time machines too, But it's true, you either draft

1631
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: Za Flowers or you can put Zay Flowers in the

1632
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: time machine and get him three years from now. That's fair.

1633
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,440
Speaker 1: Give me Jerry Judy. Yeah, I agree with Jerry Judy.

1634
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: On top of all of that, just looking at them

1635
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 1: as as prospects, like Jerry Judy is a much higherly

1636
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 1: rated prospect. I think then then you know how high

1637
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: it was on Jerry Judy as a prospect. I think

1638
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: I think you might have compared him to Jerry Rice. No,

1639
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: Julio Johnson. I think, oh yeah, Julio Jones. Sorry, sorry,

1640
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,799
Speaker 1: just the third best wide receiver of all times. Julio

1641
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: Jones at number three. No, he's not number one. Yeah,

1642
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna say number one is Moss Moss. Of

1643
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: course we're biased, but we're going with Mossy number two.

1644
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: I'll give Jerry. I'll give him number two, all right,

1645
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: number three? Really good? Think about it. I mean, like,

1646
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 1: are we talking about like in in their primes or

1647
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 1: like career longevity, Like this is the whole you know,

1648
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: argument of I'll go Calvin at three. Just off my

1649
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna say Calvin two.

1650
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, I do think Aby is in the

1651
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: conversation peak. Yeah, and I think Larry fitz is also

1652
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: in that conversation. See, I pete. Julio Jones might have

1653
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: been better than Peak, but but we got Julio, we

1654
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: got t o ohto is better. Yeah, I'll take t

1655
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: o Um. There are a lot of guys there in

1656
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: the nineties, really early two thousands, but um yeah, no,

1657
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: I mean he Oulio Jones up there is one of

1658
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: the best of his error, but he's not a top

1659
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: three old. So we got Bradley's together the number the

1660
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: top three are easy. It's gets Moss, Rice, Calvin Johnson.

1661
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 1: Bradley's in the other room and uh, he's he's telling

1662
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 1: me that I gotta go takee. My mock draft segment

1663
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: would deuce, Okay, so we gotta rap. But uh, and

1664
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm blaming it out on Bradley, but I know you clearly,

1665
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: but I uh, I'm glad. We did a whole show

1666
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: and we all did a little bit of drama. There's

1667
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: like thirty seconds of drama in there. But we did

1668
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: as much as we needed to. No more. The goal

1669
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: is to have no drama. We're gonna keep it no

1670
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: drama here until the draft three weeks. Alex, can you

1671
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: believe it? Three weeks, Alex and I started on the draft. Well,

1672
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: Alex started in the draft like six years ago, but

1673
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: I started on the draft in Vegas together at the

1674
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl, and now we're only three weeks away. It's

1675
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. Well, next week we'll

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